Walking The Dog with Emily Dean - Katherine Ryan and Bobby Kootstra (Part Two)

Episode Date: March 13, 2025

We’re in North London with our favourite showbiz couple - Katherine Ryan and Bobby Kootstra, with their dogs Manny and Cardi B. We adore Katherine and Bobby here on Walking The Dog, and we were thrilled to take a walk with them to get to the heart of their relationship and their attitude towards family life. We find out if it’s possible to have TOO much self confidence, how Bobby was tricked into seeing a therapist and how attachment parenting has affected their relationship.Follow @kathbum on Instagram Follow @bobby_k__ on InstagramAt Home With Katherine Ryan can be streamed for free on U You can listen to Katherine's podcast Telling Everybody Everything wherever you get your podcasts!Katherine is currently on her tour with her brilliant show Battleaxe. You can buy tickets here!You can listen to Emily and Ray’s first walk with Katherine from May 2017 here You can listen to Emily and Ray’s second walk with Katherine from April 2025 hereFollow Emily: Instagram - @emilyrebeccadeanX - @divine_miss_emWalking The Dog is produced by Faye LawrenceMusic: Rich Jarman Artwork: Alice LudlamPhotography: Karla Gowlett  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Really hope you enjoy part two of my chat with Catherine Ryan and Bobby Kay. Do go back and give part one, a listen if you haven't already, and do also check out Catherine's previous appearances on this podcast. I also highly recommend you get involved with Catherine and Bobby's brilliant documentary series at home with Catherine Ryan. It's available to stream on you, and it's a thing of total joy. And if you want more Catherine in your life, you can listen to her podcast telling everybody everything,

and go and see her show Battle AX, which is currently touring. Get your tickets at livenation.co.uk. I'm going to hand over to the main event now. Here's Catherine and Bobby and Manny and Cardi B and Rayway. Was that a period of adjustment for you, Bobby, just with Catherine's fame? Yeah, you know what, it's still weird. Is it? I forget sometimes until we go out or go to an event.

It's like, oh yeah. I don't know. It's strange. I don't like think of it like that. until we like go out and people will stop us like this. That's the only time I'm like kind of reminded. I would argue that you have to be quite a confident person to be with somebody who's fairly well known because you do have to get use to people sometimes trampling over you

to talk to your partner or a friend or whatever. Well it's always nice for me to get a break from talking to her. So when strangers come up, it's a welcome, welcome thing. Reprieve. No, but it's weird. I remember being with some well-known friends and I was at a Premier once and there was a paparazzi photographer and he just went, get back love. And it was such a weird thing. Really? That is me.

For years, it really stayed with me. And I don't know why I chose to take that so personally, but that guy had a major impact that I thought, God, that actually affected my self-worth. Now I would find it funny. Yeah. But I think because I was younger and I'd sort of been, even though I'd been surrounded by people who worked in the the business on my life and my parents worked in the business. It was just, there was a public humiliation to that that I put my nice dress on. Yeah. And I thought I had a right to be there. And I wasn't even posing. I was just walking with my friend. And he yelled at me. Yeah, that's not

right. But have you ever had any, what I call get back love moments? Basically, it'll be, especially at the start, it would be photos and then like, I, you just solos. And I realized, Catherine just being nice, she's like bringing me in to do the photos, but what they really want is just her. So it's not really pretty. I don't think so. I think they publish a lot of photos of us together now. So I'm used to being, I'm used to being told to like step back, let's get some. Do you know why that is though? That is for like the women's magazines fashion section. They do just want. But I've never took offense to it. No. But that's what I mean is that that would suggest to me that you have a fairly reasonable sense of self-worth.

I used to get, my sisters used to tell me, That I've got too much self-confidence, too much self-esteem. And I used to say, that's not possible. Now, you become arrogant and conceded and things like that, then yes, that becomes a problem. But I've always kind of had that confidence. Yeah. Even when I was, like, nine, ten years old,

that I could, like, compete or, like, I don't know, drive myself forward. And I think having lost my dad and dealing with that, I just kind of had this chip on my shoulder. of like, well, nothing can really faze me. You're very resilient, I would say. Do you think it made you more empathetic when you lost your dad? Maybe.

I think just growing up with a lot of women, maybe more so than that. I don't know. I think it did the opposite. I think it, like, shut you down emotionally. I don't understand. I don't think of you as an empath. I mean, you're a nice guy, but. You know what I mean?

I wouldn't say I'm an empath either, no. But I understand your, but in a good way. Yeah, that's fair to say. Like your character on the show is like, Bobby's very blunt. He's a fun guy, cool guy on the show. Actually, I want to talk about the show because you bring it up and this is your fabulous show.

It's not a, I'm going to call it, it's more like a documentary series. It's not a reality show. It's just, it's a documentary series. It's at home with, isn't it? Catherine Ryan, and it features you and Bobby and obviously, and Fred and Fenner, your kids.

And it's about the sort of, you know, the realities and dynamics of family life, really. Yeah. And I absolutely loved it. I think it's so brilliant because I think they've sort of got your energy. There's a sense of your energy. It doesn't feel scripted. When you decided to do that then,

did you both sit down and have a discussion and say, look, how do we feel about this? Because this is the second series you've done, isn't it? It is. And the first series was a lot more about, other families, but it was tricky. It's always tricky with first series to get your head around exactly what they want. And I think the production company want one thing and something's been pitched to you.

And then the channel maybe want another thing and everyone has to meet in the middle. There are notes coming from all sides. And so early on, we were like, is this a reality show? And they were like, no, no, no. It's a docu-series, as you said, about other families and about parenting. And then we did series one and we liked the tone of it. you should say it was called the first series was called katherine ryan parental guidance and then series two was called at home with katherine so they kind of shifted from

meeting other families to it just being us and how we balance yeah right they cut to the cheese yeah presumably you have to have do you have to have discussions about look we're not going to show this or are well we yeah we realized kind of quickly in season one they were trying to like do some things mostly with the small children right like putting them to bed or getting them under the bath, not like they want to see the naked, but like where I was like, no, I don't feel comfortable doing this. You know. Yeah.

Yeah, we had to minimize the map. There's no point. Like, no one wants, and I don't think anyone wants to see that anyways. Also, it's that balance thing, isn't it, of showing the fact that, let's say Fred is having a meltdown, because guess what all toddlers do? Yeah. And not letting that become a sort of trope or his character on the show. Do you know what I mean?

It's that balance, isn't it? Oh my gosh. we would get documents from compliance. It was so funny, like, just before we went to publish the episode and do the final cut, it would be like, here are all the negative things that you said about Fred in episode three. Can you sign off on each of these and make sure that you're happy to say these things about them? And it would be like, Fred is an asshole, Fred this, read that. And then we thought, yeah, that's fair.

That was fair about two-year-old Fred. But we're a family who, you know, the context. Yeah. We talk very candidly and obviously Fred will grow up knowing that we adore him and we value him. We don't think he's an asshole, but I mean, he was very difficult two-year-old. He's better now. But you know what? I felt so great.

The progress I made with him. I mean, it was a bit triggering because it reminded me of dating guys when I was younger. He was a tough one. He's a lot. Well, it was when I watched him on the slide, Bobby. Yeah. Do you know what? It was similar to Catherine in the football game.

Because I watched him. excelling at a physical activity and I went oh my God you're amazing Fred that's when I got a smile and then he warmed up yeah that was his third birthday he loves you now

it's been really well received your show because it's absolutely brilliant it's funny which is why I love it but I also think there's you know there's a scene you go and see a therapist don't you is it a marriage guidance Well, I was tricked.

What it is is a therapist. It's just, they call it a coach because of my, like, footballing background. They thought I'd be more receptive, I think. But it is a therapist or a coach, whatever you want to call it. It's the same thing. So we have, we visit her each episode. So we have four sessions essentially with her. And her name is a Daisy Chuoho.

She's really wonderful. And she's such a man lover. She is a man lover. So I was like, glad you said it. The first session, I was like a bit. cautious, nervous, whatever you want to say. And she just took my side. She was, you know what, Catherine, you interject Bobby a lot. You don't give them space to speak. And I was like, thank you.

And I loved her. She was great. Right. And she's got sons and brothers. And I appreciate what she does for people's marriages. Like in real life, she rehabilitates people's marriages and gets them communicating. But I follow her on Instagram and a lot of it is like, you need to be your husband's biggest champion. Yeah, well, what if you're pissed off? It was really moving, because you got very sort of emotional when you were talking about Violet. And I love that they showed that.

I like that, I think I said to you before when we chaste about this, I've known you for a long time, and that's probably one of the only times I've seen you probably cry. I know. I couldn't believe that I cried on that show. I was letting myself down there, but she asked me, I think if people phrase things, And maybe you feel the same. Having had a lot of therapy, you know how to communicate. What a Daisy said is, what are your fears around Violet leaving?

Your fears around this thing. And I think if you phrase any question like that, I think it makes people more emotional because I thought, oh, in context of fear, then I felt afraid. And I'm someone who only cries if I'm, like, frustrated. Like, if I can't find an address. If I could stop your way there, you cry during, like, Sesame. Street will I am video for like six straight months every time. Oh yeah. Every time the song came on what's the song called? It's called What I Am and yeah. And then she would just cry. Yeah,

and that's a different cry. Well, what kind of cry is it? Well, they have actually done studies with microscope on sad tears and happy tears and they have like a different cellular formation. They look different. But you were sad because you were thinking of all the Sesame Street children that were watching that that was providing. It is a sad song. Let me tell you why it's a sad song. So Sesame Street is sad anyway because it was created for like inner city kids who were like ignored, these latchkey kids were plopped in front of the television. And they needed someone to nurture them and teach them stuff because they were not having a lot of contact with a caregiver. And then Will I am comes along and he goes, what I am is what's in me.

I'll stay strong, that's how I'll be. And I will always be the best me that I can be. There's only one me I am it. Have a dream. I'll follow it. It's up to me to try. Do do, do, do, do, do, do. Don't cry now. Oh, I can reach my head up high. Keep on aiming high.

I won't quit. I'll just getting stronger. And then it says like how special. It's like, what I am is special. What I am is musical. I will cry because like no one tells these kids that they're special. What I am is smart. What I am is brave.

And it's so cute. Like it's... Oh, Kat, you all cry. Yeah, it makes me sad that like you need Will I Am. an Elmo to fucking big you up because your parents are like doing crack. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay. That is why the song exists, Bobby.

All right. These kids are not like validated and they need Sesame Street. So, yeah, she cries a bit more than she leads on. Well, that's different cry. That's like, I just think it's moving. It's like, yeah, but it's not out of fear then. No, I cried about Violet because I was sad, but I cry about will I am because I think it's moving.

But you think it's moving for inner city kids to not have any parents? Well, I'm moved by the effort to like validate them. Yeah. Okay. Do you know what, though? I'm a big fan of crying. And I realized partly because I'm an older generation than you, that when I was growing up particularly for women,

well, you know, for both genders actually, it was, there was so much shame around the idea of crime to the extent that some terrible woman wrote a book, some American called, If you have to cry, go outside. That's awesome. And there's this picture of her looking very Chris Jenner, with sort of jet black hair and don't fuck with me fellas I make up.

And do you know, the only catamphet's thought, actually we don't write books saying, you know, don't be aggressive in the work. We didn't then anyway. Yeah. It was like if you have to shout. at people maybe go and take five minutes. We didn't write that book.

Because it was this idea that, and I always worried that it's like because crying is traditionally seen as more of a female thing, that's why it's despised. Yeah. I'm just saying, B.K., let us cry. Bekeh, look at these crows. Bobby hates crows. You know he's afraid of prey. Well, who likes crows, of all the birds anyways. Listen to them. Do you know, they're the most intelligent, aren't they? And they never forget they have extraordinary memories. So if you're rude to a crow now. I'm not rude. I just give them the space that like makes me feel safe. They will remember that. Well they've really done a number on my garden. Just pecked it to hell.

I saw a video of an injured crow and some tourists were giving it treats and the other crows were so smart that they would pretend to be injured. They were laying beside this injured crow like yeah just to get treats and they weren't injured. They'd fly away. They'd fly away. as soon as they got their treat. I think I am becoming that crazy old bird lady because I'm finding myself liking birds more. Yeah? Really?

Oh, look at this cute one. Very lovely dog. Hello. It's not sure. It's a lot to be approached by all of our dogs at once. Rose being carried in his princely chariot. So since you've been doing that show, I mean, you must get recognized as well, Bobby.

I do, yeah. I mean, certainly not as much as Catherine, but... You've got a healthy Instagram following and you've got... How do you find that? Because you're quite... You strongly... You strongly is quite a shy person. Well, I am a bit shy but also not shy. Catherine, I always say, like, I grew up famous. Like, in my family, I was a famous one. In my high school, I was a famous one. And now over here, I'm, like, slightly famous. So it's not really a change for me.

In a small town, everyone knows everybody's business. So the fact that we share a lot in this country and then people get to know our lives and they say hello it just feels like being back in a small town yeah that's so interesting isn't it i've never thought of that because i grew up i suppose in a in london yeah but i guess that's right we are so used to just everyone knows your entire backstory they know your mom they know your business yeah so london feels really isolating if you come from that so now we've created a situation where it's like a small town and everybody says hello and it feels nice or they take a photo with you, they'll be like, oh, can I get a picture?

And then you see that when they publish it, they're like, saw this dickhead in the park, you can't stand her. Look how fat she's got. I thought you've been slimming down, personally. Yeah, that has happened to me a few times. You've gotten fat? No, where someone will ask for a photo, and then they post it, but they're slagging you off when they post it. Really? Yeah.

Oh, that's not the contractual deal here. This isn't a social contract. Come here, Raymond. Don't hang around the bathroom. So what, guys, and this might be a difficult question. What single thing do you think would improve your relationship? Ooh. Like our personal relationship to.

Yeah. Ooh. Because we're always striving. Nothing's perfect. Last year was the first time in a long time that her and I like had a little holiday like three or four days. But not work, but not like a work holiday. Like sometimes I'll go through a show. So we actually had three days with it.

and it was so nice and I think we need to prioritize that a little bit more often even if it's just one or two nights or if it's a birthday night yeah it's just her and I it's not work there's no kids and then we can just kind of fall into one another and I thought I thought that was quite nice fall into one another is romantic thing to say I was nice I'm a poet as you know oh I think some stuff like that we need to prioritize like ourselves we do so much for our children that we do as much as I think we can for each other. And this is the thing with having kids.

If you raise kids the way we do, which, like, yes, we have a nanny, Miriam, featured on the show, a real 10-10 supporting actress. But we like to be with our kids a lot. We really just don't, as you know, we don't do a lot of social things. We don't make time for friends or anything else. Do you do attachment parenting? Yeah. And what does that? That means basically that you...

We're as owned. We're bitches. Broadly it means we respond to their needs immediately, but it also means like we carry them a lot, I would like breastfeed for longer than some. We just co-sleep with them. So we both sleep in the nursery like that dog on Peter Pan. Oh, Nana. Yeah, that's me.

Oh, you're Nana. But we've taken turns in the past. Now we're both in the nursery and at least that gives us some closeness. I certainly had those sort of parents that were very, oh, just leave you in the room, you know. And then I think you're right when you say we've got a whole generation of kids that have abandonment issues. Yeah. And you kind of think, oh, maybe it's at least worth trying to do it a different way. We are not a well generation.

And like a baby would never survive in the wild without you. And when they cry, it's life or death to them. And it raises their cortisol. I have autoimmune disease. like obviously my kids have genetic markers for autoimmune disease. I don't really want to trigger any of them. So, yeah, we just try to sleep with them. And if we have another one, that'll be, like, adding years to our sentence.

But if we're still, like, physically fit by the time our kids are grown up, we'll take another holiday together. All right. But I don't know. Bobby, Kath is one of the most honest people I know. Yeah. have you, are there any elements of that you struggled with a bit? Her honesty?

Yeah. No, no way. I don't think her honesty. I'd say her frankness. No. It's something I admire and like and enjoy. So you don't get that thing. When we've kind of reconnected back after 20 years, there's no like,

like everything's out in the open, there's no small talk, it's just like daftness. Yep. And like honesty and like, I don't know, it's fun. for us to like... But when she's talking on her podcast, which, no surprises, she tells everybody everything, do you ever have things we think,

oh, I didn't know you're going to say that? It's very seldom where she'll say something. I'm like, ooh, I wouldn't have said that. Like, I can't even think of a time, actually. I'm completely on board with what she says. Amazingly, it doesn't seem like it, but there is nuance to the way that I am, and I think that I do keep certain things.

private. Like I'm pretty good. I think you can trust me. You're an interesting combination there because you're someone who's very forthright and direct but then if I had a secret I would trust you with my life and I have. You know so that's that's impressive. Thanks I do hold certain things back and like I think I have a have a radar. I think because my stand-up was always very much about me and my feelings and my relationships and my daughter, I think I developed that radar when she was little because I never wanted to exploit Violet. Yeah. And I think I am very honest without being exploitative about like the people, even what boyfriends who deserve to be dragged through the mud.

I never name them. I always bring it back to me, my favorite subject. Yeah, because I, but I also think I'm also, as I get older and more grumpy, I tend to believe, Who is it that writer who says, if people didn't want you to write about it, then they should have behaved better. Yeah, yeah. There is an element of that. I know. Look at Ray. He's done well actually. How much do you think his hair weighs? What is this, Jerry McGuire? 11 pounds. Oh Ray, do you like it here? These are your favourite dogs? I don't relax.

You love these doggies and you feel so comfy with... See, I think BK, if you don't mind me you're getting a bit personal. You can. You've got one of my favourite types of male energy. Which is I know that you would look after me. I would. But I also, I don't feel overwhelmed by your masculinity. Do you know what I mean by that?

I feel comfortable and safe with you and reassured by you. But you're not going to manspread. over me. No, that's right. I would protect you, but I am kind of masculine. I don't know. I feel extremely overwhelmed by masculinity. Really? I wouldn't mind overwhelming me more. You know that Bobby fought a armed man and a balaclava from our home. Yeah. I know. So sexy. I had to. I had no shirt on. It was so hot. I thought it was a gay lover's quarrel in the street that actually Bobby I was defending the home and what I love most about that story is the fact that he stole Bobby's American football ring and then like

seconds after stealing an American football ring obviously there's gonna be a footballer in the house like why wouldn't you put two and two together and then he got tackled and chucked out a first floor window by said footballer so let it be lessened to the criminal I like to think that he's retired from the business because the fight went out the window onto the street into the neighbors. I like chased him down and the cop car just happened to be driving down the middle of the road

while we're like fighting in the street and I have no shoes, no shirt. And I like basically point. Like here's the guy. And I gave up my pursuit and I shouldn't have. The cops let him go. So he did get away. Yeah, Bobby had this guy and the cops lost him.

But we feel like maybe he's scared straight possibly. Yeah. And once you're in the system, then it becomes just a life of necessary crime after that. So maybe, yeah. We think of a happy ending for this guy. Yeah.

What's happening with you tour-wise? Because are you still touring this latest show? Yes. My latest show, Battleax, which I realize I should have called the White Oprah. I still don't get it. Because, Bobby, I am like,

answer loads of dilemmas, my weights up and down. I'm kind of iconic. A lot of women come to. see me. I'm the white Oprah. Okay. When are you going to accept it? The first I've heard of this was this morning. Yeah, I just thought of it.

Well, the white Oprah. I would sleep on it. So, I've done 52 of 100 dates. So I'm at the Palladium a few times over the spring in March, April and May. Oh, I might come to that one. Should we go together, BK? Yeah. Come tonight, Bobby's going tonight. Are you going tonight?

Tonight, maybe Saturday. as well. I haven't seen her show in a long... Like, I saw the first couple maybe. I don't know where they were. I would like to come and see you. Maybe I'll come on Saturday. But I'm also there in April

and I'm also there in May. But whatever you want. Yeah. No pressure. I like to go with Bobby. You can bring Ray. We allow babies in arms. Oh, he doesn't count.

They won't let me bring him in. Do you know, I had him the other day. I was going into the vet. And I had him wrapped in a blanket because I was worried about him, his health blanket. And there was a woman. And to be fair,

You couldn't see his face and she went, oh, do you mind if I have a little look? I just love them. And I went, no, no, it's fine. And I heard him. And she went, oh, I thought it was a baby. I said, no, it's a dog. He is. She looked really horrified.

It was very Rosemary's baby. I accept. And then I'm on tour kind of until the end of June. And then we might do some dates abroad. And do you take the kids on tour then? Not this time, no. I feel like I've created a society now and it's better for them if they're happier

yeah are they yeah I've spent a few nights away I'm not gone that long I'll spend I think the maximum is four nights but I'm a judge on Canada's Got Talent and I was gone for a week doing that which is like unheard of

I'm like how is she up to speak how has she been popping over to Canada do you have to fly over there then to do that we've done two chunks and we have to go back again in May for the final but like that that was nice and Bobby came with me and not having the children. I see why people, you know, pay to make kids go away

because, I mean, it is quite nice. If I could put my values to one side and be without them, like I was sleeping, I was drinking, I was shopping, I loved it. But fundamentally, I'm against it. Well, I love your series. I think it's so great. And, I mean, I basically am very invested in, you two as a couple in your relationship.

Well, we're invested in you as well. I think I did get on quite well with Bobby when I met him. It can be tricky with the friends, can't it? Because you think, well, I like our little setup here. Well, you've got good chat and you're nice, and you've known Catherine, she's comfortable with you, and it was just kind of easy between you and I. You're a good advertisement for me, too.

It's lovely to bring Bobby and let him meet my, like, very interesting friend. Let me tell you about Catherine, what she's been up to the last 10 years. Let me tell you how we met, and you kind of, kind of put her up on a nice pedestal. With yourself, of course. But you're very impressive as a friend. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Yeah. Imagine I introduced you to a bunch of slugs. Slugs. You wouldn't want to be. I've met your family. Yeah. Oh, no. I'm joking.

I'm joking. Did you know the Koustra family have never been? I've got some sluggy family members. Is that? Don't we all? It's fine. Everyone's got someone.

Cardi's had an absolutely stunning day. They've so enjoyed their walk. We'll get them home. Meg Ryan will smell them and be livid. Oh, she'll be jealous. She'll be like, where? Do you think you'd get any more dogs, guys? Absolutely not. No, no, no, no.

No. I feel bad for them. Manny, actually, they're all happy, like, Megan doesn't... They've got a great life. They've got each other, but we have definitely... If we had a bigger dog, I would feel a lot worse. Like, they go... We have a nice... garden, they get their exercise, but the attention that we give them has certainly diminished

with the newest human babies. But soon, Fred and Fenna will be old enough to take them for walks to play with them. Come on, Minnie. And I like kids growing up with dogs. DeRoy. It is good for them. It's great for them. Like Fenna, who just turned two, she will go up to any size dog.

Or bird or anywhere, any time. A duck. Yeah. A duck. that I will go face to face with a duck. Horse, she just loves animals. She's brave. And part of that is growing up with dogs, I think.

I think growing up with animals, I think it is helpful for kids and that I think it makes you a bit more resilient almost and kind of... Because animals are by their very nature unpredictable at home. Yeah. But I think probably why Ray likes our dogs

is they offer him the same thing that they offer the kids. It's a reminder that there is... someone more vulnerable and helpless than you are. Yeah. You know, because Ray's always going on walks with these big impressive gun dogs or, you know, and he's like, what's my job? It's just being beautiful, Ray. These are his people.

Do you know what though? I don't think I'd ever have got Ray if it wasn't for you. I know. I'm so grateful to you. What do you think you would have got really? Like, what's your second favorite breed that you've met? I honestly, like, that you're... with the King Charles. Yeah, I quite like those. Look, I love all dogs, but I just think, if I hadn't have gone over to your home and seen how dog ownership could look, which is, you know, slightly crazy floral wallpaper and all these tiny dogs running everywhere and I don't know, watching, what was the thing we used to watch with Violet all the time?

the one where they get their genitals out. Oh, naked attraction. And Violet used to the text minute, I think, I hope no one sees this and she go, Hi, Em, can you come over and watch naked attraction? But yeah, I remember seeing, oh, that feels like my idea of dog-goating shit. And I never thought I was sort of allowed to have a dog because I wasn't married to an accountant.

Do you know what's sad about kind of the end of the television era is we might never have that again. You know what we should do? We should make a date to watch something new, like celebrity traders or something when it comes out, unless you have already earmarked those shows for other people. No, I would love to do that, because we used to do Love Island as well.

Yeah, and it was really fun. Yeah, we're going to do that. I love Bobby and the family, but those years with Violet, when she was just so acute, like six, seven, but like a grown woman at the same time, and you would come over all the time and you and I would get invited to things.

Do you remember she would send me text? She would send me text saying, Hi, Emily, my cat just walked in a dead bird. I just thought you would like to know. Love violence. Why? Why? She wants me.

You need to tell you things. If you get on Snapchat, she will continue to send you little... Is Snapchat back? Oh, yes. Oh, I didn't know. Come here, Ray. I've had to get on Snapchat just to communicate with her. Ray.

Do you know he senses we're going. He senses you're going. and he feels a bit abandoned. Hey, Ray? Guys, I cannot tell you how much I've loved this. What a joy to see you, and what a joy to see your beautiful dogs. It's weird to censor ourselves because we're being recorded. But next time, we'll get to the real.

Realty. Nitty-gritty of what we think about everyone in this industry. And, B.K., thank you for making my friends so happy. Who's your friend? Frank Skinner. Frank Skinner. Miss you, Frank. Well, thank you for having us, and thank you for, you know, everything you've done for Catherine over the years.

Yeah. When she needed a friend the most. Inspiring me. Can you say goodbye, guys? Bye, Ray, Ray. You look so gorgeous, Ray. Oh, I feel sad that we didn't bring Meg in now, looking at Ray. Can you say goodbye to Matt?

He's probably wondering, where's Meg? Say goodbye to Money. Bye, Ray. Do you have a high five, I think? Say goodbye to Cody B. Oh! He just got aggressive. Neither a swat.

Good for you, Ray. Good job, Ray. I can only apologize. No. Look, he's got a few greys now, Ray. All right, love. He never happened before. No, it looks good on him.

It looks good, but it's new. All right, all right. Nice to see you, Kath. All right, bye, Ray. Hi, Ray. I really hope you enjoyed that episode of Walking the Dog. We'd love it if you subscribed. And do join us next time on Walking the Dog wherever you get your podcasts.