Walking The Dog with Emily Dean - Kaye Adams (Part Two)

Episode Date: April 30, 2025

We’re in Holland Park with the wonderful Kaye Adams! We find out about Kaye’s first gig at Scottish Television - and why she thinks she was a terrible news reporter. And, of course, we discuss Kaye’s career as a Loose Women panellist, how she feels about stories written in the press about her co-stars and what role she plays on a typical Loose Women night out. Kaye also tells us all about her brilliant podcast ‘How To Be 60’ - a podcast that encourages its listeners to live their best lives at 60 and beyond. Kaye tells us how the journey she has been on when it comes to her perception of age, and why she has chosen to embrace being 60. It’s a brilliant show - find it on your usual podcast platform! Follow @kayeadamsofficial on Instagram Follow Emily: Instagram - @emilyrebeccadeanX - @divine_miss_emWalking The Dog is produced by Faye LawrenceMusic: Rich Jarman Artwork: Alice LudlamPhotography: Karla Gowlett  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to Part 2 of Walking the Dog with Kay Adams. Do go back and listen to Part 1 if you haven't already and do listen to Kay's Fab Podcast How to Be 60 because it's so interesting and inspiring. I'd also love it if you gave us a like and a follow so you can catch us every week. Here's Kay and Ray Ray. You ended up going back to Scotland,

which you hadn't planned on doing. No, I really wasn't. I was absolutely... I'd been in Birmingham for four years. And you notice that thing when you started. your first job people always remember you as the rookie so I thought I need to move although I really enjoyed it and then maybe come back but you've got to kind of shed that rookiness yeah and you got this gig doing at Scottish television yeah

so a reporter slash news presenter yeah but I was the most awful bloody news presenter oh my god I was shocking because I'm you know there's a bit of me that's really serious. Lots of people still see me as very serious. I don't see me as serious but I am aware that other people can see me as serious. And also when you're nervous

I go poker face. Some people just have a mad grin. I wish I had a mad grin. But when I'm nervous and lacking in confidence I kind of seize up a little bit and particularly at that age you know there's such an opportunity to be on the television. Oh my God and I was 24 and it's 25 and this could be

a big break and I just couldn't relax into it and I was too uptight and it showed and I had this wonderful boss who sadly passed away who was a classic gruff Scotsman brilliant journalist but oh my god he didn't mince his words I mean that the work environment has just changed beyond all recognition from back then I mean it was brutal and I remember I'm calling it me and I'd done the six o'clock news and he did oh okay I don't know hen can you smile a bit more or something or put some blusher on

I always remember I'm saying can you put some blusher on as if that was going to sort of transform me I won't tell you the face of the Gen Z producer like that and I mention and put some blusher on I'm just like yeah standard I know I don't have to cheer up a bit dog cheer up a bit anyway and then he said no you're no doing it anymore you can

you know so he took me off presenting which I was devastated. I was absolutely devastated because this had been my big opportunity and I thought, you know. But you know what, he was right? And, you know, in a couple of years when I got a bit more confident

and I was able to relax the breath, I did need to smile a bit more. I was too serious, you know. And so I kind of faked it to make it for a while. And he gave me lots of great opportunities after that. And I kind of miss that directness. Do you? Yeah, I do.

And I know it's funny you're talking about, I know we're in a very different world and I totally accept it, but I do miss a little bit the directness of that world. Sometimes it could be cruel and too harsh, but actually it probably worked for me because it made me better. Because he was right.

Right. And if he'd never told me, then how would I ever have known? Maybe you wouldn't have ended up having the career that you ended up having. Because for quite a while I did have to fake the smiliness and I still have to fake it a little bit.

Do you? Because I am very Scottish and I mean, you know, no disrespect you lovely English people. You kind of like lighter and smilier a lot of the time. I mean, maybe this is just my kind of Scottish, you know? No, I know we had some,

my mum's best friend, we had family friends who lived in Glasgow and we'd go and stay, they were our closest, you know, And they lived in Bears Den, which I didn't know was posh. And then I was told. But what I liked was they were like, it's interesting what you think about that class thing. Because he was a lawyer, but not like any lawyer I'd met like, he was really scruffy.

And they said, people see us coming out of this BMW and go, why are those scruffs coming out of that car? And it was the first time I was aware that there's not the same, even wealthy people. They're not as some obsessed with status as I think people. perhaps are, certainly in London, you know, and outside. But I was, I was interested though also, this thing you're saying about the deadpan, that they'd say funny things. And as a child, I'd say, I'd say, why is everyone laughing? Because they're not, but it was their delivery.

Yeah, they're very dry. It's a very dry sense of humour. And, you know, people that, I wouldn't even say their names because you wouldn't know who they were. But they were kind of iconic and Scottish culture. and it's the deadpan delivery you know and everyone would be laughing around them but they would just be you know sort of straight face so there is that kind of culture that is in you

and so for quite a few years I would say I was conscious in my head I could have put on a smile a simple thing like somebody saying to me hi Kay how are you my natural thing would be yeah I'm all right and then I had to learn to say great actually yeah how are you

you because that that worked and when you got loose women presumably that's an entertainment show if you like and so presumably that was also something you had to think about is how you presented yourself or did you feel confident enough about who you were then and being authentic on screen that it felt quite natural I know I was still quite conscious of it but I think the childhood show off was able to come out there Right. So that was probably quite good. And because it wasn't, I mean, the thing is, in the news and a political environment,

which I was previously in, you know, it is quite serious. And you do want to be taken seriously. And you're surrounded by people who are quite pompous a lot of the time. Whereas there's a completely different environment with loose women. So you're allowed to kind of take that pressure off. And I'd say the childhood, you know, show off probably came out. But there still are time. that I'm in a situation and I think, right, this requires me to be very bright and breezy

and very sort of, you know, hi and welcome to lose women. And then maybe I'll, I never watch myself back, but sometimes you'll catch yourself. And in my head, I have been a performing monkey. And actually when I walk it back, I look it back, I'm kind of, yeah, you know, vaguely animated, but not exactly. But then this is what I think. I think this is why you're so key to a show like that

and why I love it when you're on. Oh, you would say that, wouldn't you? Well, I would, you're not lying. But I would. Colleen, I love you then. But no, I think everyone needs someone on the hen night who's going to sort

everyone shitter out. And I feel I trust you. Well, like that's a thing. I will get you home in a taxi with your handbag and everything. It's funny actually you say that. I mean, loose women is not as wild these days as it was once upon a time. I just got a text from Carol McGiffin and oh my God.

This must have been about 15 years ago but it was a famous sort of loose women night out. I think it was too, Gordon Ramsey did some show like Hell's Kitchen or something. Anyway, I can't remember. So we're in this sort of night out slash TV event. It was, you know, the boundary was sadly blurred. And it was me, Jane MacDonald, Karen McGiffin and Denise Welsh. I am so here for this. Denise, I think it was it the...

Anyway, one of them got so pished. They definitely ended up with their face in a pizza. I'm not going to say it was because I wasn't sure. Denise Welsh went AWOL out in East London and I had to go and find her and get her back because I was worried that she was going to be in a ditch. And Carol McGiffin was so drunk, we came out and there was a reporter,

sort of live reporter stationed on the exit. How did you enjoy her evening or whatever? Carol was so drunk. She came out. This is crude. Is that all right? We love crude. Yeah.

And she just sort of lifted her leg, turned her arse to this reporter, and farted, like, really loudly. And I'm the only sober one. And it's like, right, get the pizza off your face. That's lovely. Where's Denise? Can we get a taxi to Denise?

Thank you. Carol, for God's sake. You can't do that, please. Come on, everyone. Let's get home. But it's interesting, isn't it, with that show? Because part of the success of that show it relies on the commitment to honesty that you all have.

I don't think you could would flourish or do well on that show if you were going to be reserved or remotely precious about your life. Did you have to initially navigate that in terms of am I oversharing? Am I comfortable saying this? Yeah, I think, I mean I am not an oversharer and I am a naturally quite private person. And I'm a great defender of privacy. I think we've kind of lost it.

I mean, when I was a kid growing up, it was perfectly valid to say to someone else in the playground, none of your business. And then you kind of waltz away by that. None of your business. You kind of not allowed to do that. Everything is everyone's business. So there are things that are private to me

that I absolutely feel entirely entitled told not to talk about. But I'm not going to name names because I can't even remember them over the years and obviously been a long time and people have come in and come out and some people have stayed the course and other people have been sort of, you know, for a shorter time. But there have been a few sort of names who have come in and they sit down and it's, well, I can't talk about this and I can't talk about that and I can't talk about that and the rest of us are probably sitting there thinking, well, you're not going to last.

you know because it's just not going to to work and the other thing that doesn't work is well actually I think X, Y and Z, but I'm not going to say that on the television that doesn't work either so I do have things that I think I don't want the world to know this and so this is mine but I'll never lie and you know I will be my

absolute authentic self. And if there was something that, you know, I was appreciate, I say, I just don't want to talk about that. I don't feel comfortable talking about that. It's never really come up. Have you ever regretted saying anything? The only thing, and I don't even know if I said it on this woman, but I definitely said it an interview after my first daughter was, I don't regret it. I mean, I wasn't, so I had Charlie, my first daughter when I was 39 and I did find the transition quite tough. You know, having spent most of my adult life

doing exactly what I wanted, whenever I wanted, suddenly to be, you know, responsible for this little baby, but also, I mean, pinned down, I know that's a terrible expression, but, you know, that was your primary responsibility. And that was quite a difficult transition. And I did speak about that,

and she said to me years and years later, because of course they can Google everything. You know, it was like, oh, you know, you didn't really like me as a baby or whatever. I mean, you know, she's 22 now. We're fine with all that. That's quite heartbreaking, isn't it? Yeah, so I did regret that for a while. But it was the truth.

Yeah, and she'll understand as an adult, but it's hard. Of course she'll understand it. I would understand. But it's just you hearing that as a mom you're going to feel guilt. Yeah. You don't want to hear it from an eight-year-old. Exactly. Yeah.

So, but then we just had to have conversations about it. and we did have conversations about it and you know and it was fine do you think because what always interests me is how there always seems to be a lot of focus on the tensions the infighting what's going on backstage and I think there's some interesting misogynia play there how it's sort of always wanting wanting that to happen because it's women so it's turning it's putting this real housewives narrative on any women that work together. We, I say we, if I can speak on behalf of the loose women,

we all feel that really keenly and really, really resent it, really resent it. And you know, it's always been there, it's never got any better, if anything it's got worse. In fact, there was, there was a piece, I think, oh I don't know, I think it was in the sun as it happens. because Loose Women won an RTS award. And it was a nice piece. You know, I think it was called something like Truce Women. So it was still sort of going back into that territory,

but it was much more positive. And then two days later, there was another piece in another publication saying, oh, don't believe it, that shit, they actually all hate each other. You know, me, for us personally, it is just like really dull and irritating.

but I do think as you say there is a much, much bigger discussion there as to why in the public domain we have to continually be casting women that their default position is to be competitive with each other to undermine each other to be bitching about makeup artists

I don't give a fuck if Olivia Atwood has 3 million makeup artists I saw it today the loose women are falling out because she has her on makeup artists. We have never, ever fallen out about makeup artists or wardrobe or dressing rooms or you know, I mean if somebody said, you know, we had a real fallout because we had different opinions on a particular issue. I'd say, okay, that's fine. We probably do have fallouts on particular

issues, but we do not have fallouts on, you know, wardrobe, makeup, boyfriends, you know, all of those tropes that just get rolled out, you know, constantly. And it's like I said earlier, you know, it feels like trying to keep women in a box. And, you know, it's... Well, you see it with the royal family. It's fascinating how this whole Megan and Kate thing to our generation, we saw that with Sarah Ferguson and Diana.

And Diana. That it was like, that's entertaining. Yeah. That's seen as entertaining, having two women. falling out because people feel comfortable with that. So the idea that women can't work together without it turning into some cat fight. Well I mean has anyone ever inquired what the kind of behind the stage politics of match of the day are? I don't know. Maybe Alan Shearer hates Gary Olinicker's guts. He's gone, hasn't he? I mean, do we ever do it? We just don't.

you know and it's this all-female show that just attracts that kind of stuff but I think it's quite sinister at heart I really do yeah I also happen to love your podcast which you started

was it about three years ago three years ago yeah yeah and if anyone hasn't listened to it what are you doing because so you did there was an interview with Alan Cumming you did it was end of last year and it's so blew me away because you got so much out of him. I didn't know half this stuff about, you know,

he talked about his childhood and, but vastly I thought, what a brilliant interviewer you are. Oh, thank you. But also, I just love the energy of that podcast because... It swells my heart to hear you say that, to be honest, and I'm really grateful, thank you. I love it because I feel, as I say, it showcases what a fantastic interviewer you are. It's the kind of podcast that you listen to it, it makes me feel positive and happy. Oh, that's good. About being 60. I'm not saying a few years off, but it will happen. It will hopefully.

It's not the way. And I feel that's a really lovely thing to put out into the world. Oh, well, that is nice because, you know, as I said, I wasn't particularly clicking my heels about the prospect of being 60. So I have had a bit of a epiphany, as I love to call it. Epiphany, everyone. You know, so it has been a real kind of learning journey for me. I have to say and it's just do you know I mean

I am so grateful for the career that I've had I've had so many opportunities so much fun and that's been great but within that legacy media as we as we call it now I'm like Elon Musk yeah yeah I know I know

sorry about that but you know and it's got certain constraints and that's good and it works within those confines and that's marvellous but to be in a different environment and also for me to have to go back to basic and do a bit of bloody work and book guests and annoy people

and do the idea and stuff. And do you ring your mates up and I noticed that Richard Mowgli was on it as well. He was so brilliant on it. Yeah, yeah. Yes, I do. I shamelessly sort of across people in the corridors of ITV and BBC.

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, they run in the opposite direction. I mean, Lulu has been seen on several occasions breaking into a trot in the opposite direction. Yeah. But I kind of love that you're doing this because going back to your tattoo, which says over 21, it's in tribute to your mum,

but it's also a nod to her immense fear of ageing, which we now know is imposed on her. She doesn't really have a choice. And what I love is this feels like some sort of a healing thing as well, because your greatest fear, you faced it. Yeah. Well, yeah, it is. I mean, you know, there are lots of people,

out there who say, and they're very right to say, you should be grateful that you reach that age. Many people don't. And I totally get, I absolutely acknowledge that. So that's number one. There's another group of people who say, oh, age is a number. I don't care. I'll tell anyone I'm age. And again, that is, that is great. But I wasn't in that camp. I was one of those people who perhaps arrogantly thought I could probably pass for about five years younger, so why don't I? but I guess there was an element of shame attached to it you know if you are reluctant to to state your age out loud

well why are you reluctant because you're embarrassed why are you embarrassed because you don't want to appear old so once you start to dig into that what are you actually saying it is a bad thing to be older and I'm not saying that started the podcast to sort of, you know, evangelise or anything or whatever. But it's a pretty terrible message to put out particularly to women.

It is a bad thing to get old. And that is essentially what you're saying. So one of the really good things about having done the podcast is for me personally, so I'm not carrying any shame about my age. I am 62 and you have no idea how much it takes for me to say that out loud. because if you'd said to me 17 years ago what age of you I wouldn't have said 45

I would have said oh look at that over there you know I would have just completely distracted so it's actually quite a big thing for me to say what my age is so on a personal level it's good not to feel embarrassed about a reality

but on the bigger kind of picture I now don't feel that I'm feeding into that narrative about it is bad to be old. You know, because you know, what we say? What am I going to say to my daughters? I mean, Frankie Bridge, a lovely Frankie Bridge,

I get on really well with this woman. We did a podcast together and we were talking about age and she said, I am terrified of getting older. Terrified. And how old she must be? She's 35.

And why is that? It's about What did you say to her? Not going to lecture her, but because I recognise it. Because older women in particular aren't really valued, are they? And it's funny because if I'm really honest, when I was young, young, let's say I was at 30, and I heard older women say this, what I'm saying now,

I in my head thought, oh, shut up. I did. You know, I've got to be honest. I thought, oh, yeah, they're just old and bitter. This whole bag. Yeah. And I did. and I put my hands up.

And so there might be younger women listening to this thinking exactly the same thing. And I get it. I get it. But, yeah, I'm at the other end of the telescope. And do you think working in TV, does that make that process harder? Aging as a female?

I think a lot of actresses will say it's harder. I do think it's kind of, well, I think you've got to reclaim it. It's certainly not going to get any better if you're continually lying about your age. It's certainly not going to get any better if you are buying into the ideal of use. So you do have to embrace it a little bit.

And the whole thing about being invisible, I don't feel invisible. But then I've never particularly invested that much in my looks. Right. You know, I think for women whose currency has come through their looks, think it is very difficult because your currency will inevitably become devalued, weren't it? Whereas as my lovely mother said to me once when I was quite young,

well let's face it, Kay, you'll never get a job for your looks. Did she say that? Yes, she did. But she was right. She was right. That was never going to be my calling card. She wasn't saying your pot ugly Kay. What she was saying is it's, you know, it's your brains that is going to get you anywhere, not your looks, because I was never a beauty queen. You're not very oversensitive though, are you? Clearly not. Like you're quite resilient, aren't you?

I don't know. Yeah, I guess I am. I guess I am. Yeah, yeah. I think you are. The haulage parents. Yeah. We all need haulage parents.

You do. You need truckers. Truckers. We used to gather around on a Sunday night and watch the brothers. That's before your time. You lied to your daughter about your age, didn't you? How many years did you knock off, K Adams? Oh, I wasn't even consistent about it.

That was a really bad thing. It was about seven years? Yeah, up to eight, I would say. Yeah, up to eight. But actually, I have since found out that, pure Charlie, my eldest, because the young one, it was all resolved by that stage. So she had gone into school, one day and said to her best friend, they were talking about what age their moms are, as they all do.

And so the friend had said, oh, my mom is 28, whatever. And Charlie had said, oh, my mom is 34, whatever story I told her. And the other little girl said, no, she's not. I googled her. She's 40, whatever. And Charlie was like, no, she's not. No, she's not. No, she's not. My mom's told me. My mom is 36. And no, she's not. You know, this little girl stood her ground. and Charlie said she was quite devastated because A, she had an old mum

and B, I'd lied to her and she looked stupid in front of her friend. I felt terrible about that. There's another £200 on therapy in it. I mean, my God. I'm interested in... I'm better now, though. I'm better now. Yeah, you are better now?

Yeah, I'm better. And you've got the podcast to show for it? Yeah. I'll tell you what I want to know about. I want to know about... Ian, the tennis coach. Ian. How glamorous?

Being married to a tennis coach? Well, yeah, back in the day it sounded glamorous. I mean, he is now a 63-year-old tennis coach. Yeah, but it's still quite glamorous, isn't it? Oh, he has the life of Riley, that man. The life of bloody Riley. Jane Moore always jokes. I just have to throw him a ball to chase and he's happy,

but it is actually true. Do you think you're quite easy to live with? No. No. Terrible. Absolutely terrible. Why? Because I'm quite stressy. I'm quite kind of full on. Ian is incredibly laid back. And it's funny because when I was younger and I was out there as the sort of shoulder padded ball breaking, the world's my oyster person. The kind of man that I thought that I would want would be the male version of me you know so pinstripe suit you know alpha male job in the city wall street blah blah blah that's what my mum

wanted and then Ian comes along with his you know East German policeman's overcoat that he got in a second hand shop mad hair the worst car you've ever seen a tennis coach my mum was disgusted and I don't know why we ended up together because he is the pole

opposite of what I thought I wanted. As the great philosopher Jagger once said, sometimes you get what you need. Yeah, well, sometimes you do get what you need. And actually, I think if I had been with the male version of me, we would just have locked horns and it would have been carnage. Whereas he, I think, just blanks me out sometimes,

which is very wise. If I had Ian here now, and I'm not ruling that out, And I said, if you could change one thing about Kay, what would it be? What would he say? I kind of, it's not that I worry too much. I stress too much. Yeah, I stress too much. Yeah.

He would like me to just relax a bit more. Yeah. Yeah, but you are what you are, aren't you? And it's difficult because maybe that's what's helped build this. incredible career that you've had and still got, you know? Yeah. Because you care. Yeah, and also, I mean, you know, it's very

nice for Ian to be Mr. Relax and all the rest of it, but I mean, we'd be living in a caravan in, God knows where, Whiz Beach, whatever that is. Like I say, someone's got to call the cabs on the headline. Absolutely. I'm seeing that as your, I would really have

liked and wanted and needed a friend like you. because I think you would be... So what friend were you? Really great fun but quite chaotic and don't quite know what you're going to get. Before I had therapy

things change you in life, don't they? And I went through a lot of bereavements and with my family, I lost my family and you're never the same after that. But I realised looking back on that time I look at my friends and I think actually the older I get the things I value are consistency and reliability and basically what I'm saying is we all need a K.

Well, a little bit sometimes. I think we do. How do you find fame? It doesn't touch me. Do you know, it really doesn't touch me because, I mean, you've got to, I don't know, you've got to kind of tickle fame. You've got to kind of attract it, you know. And I mean, if you just go about your life in your normal kind of fashion,

I mean, I'm not going to get mobbed in the bloody street, I'm not exactly Beyonce. You know, you might occasionally... Funny enough, coming here, these two ladies came up to it, and I could see them sort of look, and I recognised them. They were in the audience for loose women today.

And so I'm thinking in my head, those two women were up the back row on the left-hand side, but they just walked past me. And then one of them, I looked back and she was going, oh. And she said, can't have a picture? And I said, yeah, sure, that's fine.

And should I recognise your water bottle? Look, I get Raymond. People know who Raymond is you get the water bottle. I know. It's good for your ego. I know. So, yeah, no, it's not an issue for me. It is just absolutely not.

I'm not like well known enough for that. You might occasionally, you get people who vaguely know but I had a guy the other week who came up to me and he was a bit pissed, I think, and his wife did recognise me, and I could see this, and she was behind him trying to push him, and she was sort of apologising to me with her eyes. And he came up to me, and he pointed in my face, not badly, but he was pissed. And he went, the Royal Mail.

Obviously, he worked at the Royal Mail, and he thought that I worked at the Royal Mail. And I just smiled, and I said, yeah, yeah. And she's like, beside herself. And then he went, the canteen! And I said, yeah, yeah, canteen, the Royal Mail. And the woman was died. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Pushing him out of bloody door.

So that is my experience of fame. So it's fine. But you don't strike me as someone who's particularly attached to it. You know, that that's not the reason you went into it to this? Oh, God, no, definitely not. Definitely. I mean, don't get me wrong. You know, it's really nice if you're, you know,

you're doing loose women and the audience are hyped up We did the tour and things. You know, it's lovely to get that sense of excitement. And, you know, I do like that. But, you know, the thought of going into a restaurant and thinking I'm going to get a better sea or phoning up an airline to say, do you know who I am? Just makes my blood run cold.

I'm not interested in that at all. I suspect as well you wouldn't have much time for big egos. And like starry behavior. Because we've not met those people in the course of our work, you know. I mean, I think it is the great thing about my job, you know, having done it for such a long time, and you will have them sure the same thing, is that you do meet so many people. And some people who are really, really famous, successful, rich, etc., etc. But it doesn't mean they can't be a wanker.

And so once you've seen that over a period of years, then it changes how you evaluate people. Yeah. You know, if they're a wanker, it doesn't matter if they're rich and famous, that's it? You know. And so I think you lose the, what's the right expression? So fame loses its glitter for me because I've seen in other people that he actually doesn't stand for that much. You know, so why would it be something that I would particularly want? Because it doesn't, it isn't anything. But then again, the haulage parents. I know.

I think we've got them to thank. We haven't just got them to thank. You've got yourself to thank because you made you. But I think it feels like you had a good grounding and a good start in life. Well, yeah, I know. I think it is one of the most important things, isn't it? you know, you can withstand most things, I think, if you've had a good start.

And I think if you don't have a good start, then life is very difficult. You know, I take my hat off to people who manage to overcome difficult childhoods. Yeah. So what's your story then? This is about you. No, but what is your story? This is so okay.

No, but I know, but, you know, tell me a little bit. That's a whole other chat. But this is a peak K moment because this is what you are naturally curious about people. And this is what makes you such a good interviewer and why I love your podcast so much and why I love you on loose women because it's genuine.

Yeah. It really is with you, I think. But isn't it with you? Oh, God, yeah. Yeah. But I don't think it always is with people. No. And that's okay.

For some people it's more a performative thing. Do you know what to mean? Oh, absolutely. I completely know what you mean. That's why I would describe you as a very charismatic person. Bement. How do you feel about that compliment? Uncomfortable. Very, very uncomfortable.

You know, it's actually slightly making my stomach heave a little bit. Really? Yeah. I mean, because I've just talked about myself for an hour and 20 minutes and I'm beginning to bore the arse of myself. Do you know, I just, I don't know, I just, it's not that, you know, I'm not one of those sort of self-loathing people or whatever, you know,

I mean, I know that I've got a nice family, I've got lots of friends, I know I can go out and have fun, I mean, I'm not going to suddenly start sticking daggers in my heart, but, yeah, I am more interested in other people, I think, because I've not had a dramatic life. Like I said, you know, I've had a bog standard, very nice upbringing, two great parents, brother. Went to Margaret Thatcher in your only 20s and said, can I interview you?

And she said yes. Yeah, I know. But you know, went to uni, got a job, worked hard, da-da-da. I, you know, I just, you know. Cairams, I really loved walking with you. Well, thank you. I've really enjoyed it as well. And I'm sorry for talking about myself all the time. I feel like it.

Would a man say that? Well, yeah, no, I know. But, yeah. No. And you've been such brilliant. In 20 years' time, you can come on my podcast. Oh, 20 years' time. I'm loving you. Do you know what? If I'm anything like you, I will jump for joy. If you still can.

I'm saying it like it's like two decades away. It's literally a couple years away. Kay Adams, I have so loved having you on this podcast. And have you enjoyed Raymond? I have loved Raymond. He is the perfect size. Just get your hand underneath him. He's just gorgeous, absolutely gorgeous. We like such a sage little expression. He's very Dalai Lama, isn't he? He really is. We might come and see you when we go to Glasgow.

Are you coming to Glasgow? Oh, I love going to Glasgow. Oh, do you? I like going there. Yeah. Even though I do say Glasgow. Well, thank you so much. Actually, one of my worst things when I was doing my posh accent with Birmingham.

They let me read the bulletins through the night, so at like 2 o'clock in the morning. because I had this accent like this, and I had to try and keep it. But certain things would come up, you know, like receive pronunciation, it would be a glass ashtray. But in Glasgow, it's glass ashtray.

And I could see this coming up on the alter queue. And I was like, fucking hell, fucking hell in my head. And so the assailant hit the blah, blah, blah, and I completely, completely won. I could see it coming. I was like, no, no, not glass ashtray, please. Oh, well we've loved meeting you. Will you say goodbye to Kay, Raymond?

Bye, Raymond. A gorgeous little thing. And it's been a real pleasure, Emily. Thank you. I might give you a hug. Oh, good. Thank you. Bye, bye, Ray.

You went Ray, Ray. I love that. Oh, did I? Yes. Started with Raymondo. Oh, he's so lovely. Yeah. I should have asked permission to call him Riri.

shouldn't I? I shouldn't have just presumed. I really hope you enjoyed that episode of Walking the Dog. We'd love it if you subscribed. And do join us next time on Walking the Dog wherever you get your podcasts.