Walking The Dog with Emily Dean - Shazia Mirza (Part Two)

Episode Date: September 10, 2026

In part two of Emily and Ray’s walk with the fabulous Shazia Mirza, there’s plenty more from one of Britain’s most distinctive and brilliantly funny comedians, as Shazia reflects on her life, career and the experiences that have shaped her comedy.If you haven’t already, do go back and listen to part one, where Shazia talks about growing up in Birmingham, secretly pursuing stand-up while working as a science teacher, and the special role Emily’s late mum played in encouraging her at the very beginning of her comedy career.Shazia will be heading out on tour next year with a brand new show, 'Prude', so keep an eye on her Instagram, @TheShaziaMirza, for tour dates, tickets and all the latest details.Follow Emily:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/emilyrebeccadeanX: https://twitter.com/divine_miss_emWalking The Dog is produced by Will NicholsMusic: Rich JarmanArtwork: Alice LudlamPhotography: Karla Gowlett Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to Part 2 of Walking the Dog with the wonderful comedian Shazia Mirza. Really hope you enjoy it and by the way do remember to give Walking the Dog a like and a follow so you can catch us every week. Here's Shazia and Ray-Way. So we'll just wait for Will to get our coffees. Or tea in your case, you're not a coffee person. No, no, no. Why's that? Because I'm Asian.

We love tea. We're all about the tea. We invented tea. Assam from India. Oh, my good, Ray. So I go and see your mum from time to time in Highgate Cemetery. She's behind Bob Hoskins. Do you know, even in death, my mum managed to get.

Honest to God, right behind Bob Hoskins. She got a good ranking. George Michael around the corner. I'm like, Addison Cresswell down the road. I've been past him loads of times. He's right. Hey, we should say, is a very famous comedy agent who is sadly no longer with it. Is he next to Carl Marks?

No, that's the other cemetery. That's the other one. That's the other bit of Soho Farmhouse Cemetery, as I call it. So I want to get back to, we will talk about that, but I'm interested when you were sort of coming up at that time. Was there one gig that was particularly important for you? Like a have I got news or a live at the Apollo where you thought, or a QI that you were booked for where you thought, okay, this is making a big difference in terms of my phone

has started ringing, this has been a good showcase for me, people get me now. It's never what you think it is. Right. And it's also random. A lot of the times the people you think are going to make it, they've disappeared. I'm never to be seen again. And we often talk amongst comments and go, my God, they were really good. What happened to them?

What happened to so and so? She was really good. So the people you think are going to make, or you go up to Adam, and they go, one to watch. Everybody's the one to watch. Oh, they're going to be a big star. And it's never the people you think, oh my God, I think they're going to be huge. Obviously, you see people with talent, but it's often the people that have worked the hardest, worked at their craft, and also lasted the course. But what in your career was a, would you say was a defining booking for you?

There wasn't one thing. Right. I don't think there's, because I've had standout performances on a lot of one things. Yeah. But it has never been that thing that's made me massive. I mean, I was on 60 Minutes in America. They did a whole profile on me. Yeah, when I first started comedy, I'd been doing comedy for about four years and

60 Minutes did a massive profile on me and did they say because you were Muslim one in this? I was the world's first Muslim female standout and they and I mean look, they did a profile on me on 60 minutes That never blew me up. It's huge though, right? It's huge. It got me some gigs in America It got me an American age at that time, but it didn't make me massive because I would just started comedy it takes years to become a great stand-up. Yeah. And actually sometimes the things where people get you

is not really a 60-minute profile. No. It's going to be you doing something hilarious for two minutes a bit on a chat or a bit out in a club or, you know. And well now with social media, like in the past, all of that would have been just whoever saw it at the time, whoever saw it on TV. But now because we've got YouTube and Instagram and TikTok

all these old clips of me on TV are regurgiting. And people who never saw me on that in the first place are now seeing me on those things and going, oh my God, that was hilarious. Really? And clips have gone viral now. And things have been reshared, which in the past, if you didn't see it, you didn't see it.

And you started to get offered a lot of TV shows, things like you did, it was called the island of Bear Real. also Celebrity Island, which was one of those shows which I don't even know if it would be made now in terms of... It's not being made, it's been cancelled, because we all nearly died. But that's what I mean. It was horrific. It was genuinely horrific. And it was dangerous.

It was dangerous. And I remember vividly watching this at the time because obviously knew you as you were a family friend. You were knocked unconscious when trying to get some fish or something. It was dangerous. It was dangerous. And there'd only been, I think, one series of it previously. And there hasn't been any since. I mean, it's like it's been scrapped now. Because it is dangerous.

I mean, we were climbing rocks and cliffs in boots. And I remember going fishing in the sea. And there was, there was, what do you call it? A stingray. And we tried to kill a stingray. Me and the camera made. Isn't that how Steve Irwin died? Yes, yes.

And then there was a thunderstorm on all the electrics went out and we couldn't contact anybody. We were starving to death. It was a month. We were on the island for a month. It's crazy. And we all lost two stones. You're quite stoical though, aren't you?

Because whenever I also saw you on Celebrity SAS, Who dares wait? Oh, yeah. And I thought... For me, that was worse. Was it? Yeah, SAS was worse because like Celebrity the Island you know we were on an island in Panama for a month and it was hot and we didn't have had free will work yeah we could do what we wanted and we

and we were you know we were these kind of celebrities on an island on the with the SAS they took it seriously like we were in the SAS we're never going to be in the SAS none of us are going to leave celebrity and go and be in the SAS but they ran it like it was a proper celebrity, a proper SAS camp. Yeah. And they were proper SAS people. You know, these guys were in the SAS. So they ran it like it was real. And that was difficult. That was hard, it was hard thing to do. And it was in New Zealand in their winter. But then whenever I've seen you on those shows, though, I always think what really comes across is you don't really break down. You don't really dissolve into a sort of

It's the Asian work ethic. Is that what it is? It's, you know... Are you quite stoical? You know, you've got to get on with it. No matter what... How bad things are getting. Just get on with it.

Get on with it. No moaning, no groaning. Get on with it. It's part of the Asian work ethic. It's kind of how I was brought up. And when you started getting famous, presumably did your parents then, were they proud of you?

How did they react to that? Or were they just seeing you pop up on shows? How did you deal with that? I thought I was Anita Rani, so they didn't care. They were like, oh, it's Anita. Anita's come home now, really good. How did they deal with that, then? They never knew it was me.

They thought it was. No, well, the thing was, they didn't know. My parents didn't know I was a stand-up comedian. I did it in secret. The night before I was going on, have I got news for you? I told them I was going to be on. Were you scared to tell them? They didn't get it.

They thought it was a game show. They thought I was just on there as a game show. you're appearing like... They did not register that this is what I was now doing. And then as time went on, people would stop them in the street in Birmingham. People would stop my dad and say, you know, we've seen your daughter on TV. She's doing comedy. I don't know if this is right.

How are you letting your daughter do this? And it was kind of bringing shame on the community a bit. And my dad felt embarrassed about it because, you know, we said, well, she has a degree in biochemistry, you know. and there was a bit of shame about it. Why is she doing this? And I feel like comedy is something it chooses you, you're in it. I don't know many comedians that set out to be a comedian.

They've all done something before. They've been teachers or they've been doctors or they've done something and they've fallen into it. I felt like I fell into it. It kind of came to me. There's often no shows. And I hope you don't mind me saying this. The time I spent with comedians,

I always say jokingly to them, what's your damage? Because I always think there's something. Oh yeah, there must be something wrong with you to do this. Because it's a strange thing to do, stand in a room full of strangers and start telling them your deepest dark in secret. You wouldn't even tell your mum.

Well, it's someone who on some level craves high cortisol surges or high adrenaline surges. Because it's the biggest adrenaline. A lot of people will never experience an adrenaline search like that in their lifetime. That feeling of getting on stage, particularly when you're inexperienced. It never gets harder than that first or second time, does it? And also this, I think there's, I mean, comedy does a lot of things. I mean, it's healing, it's therapeutic, it's euphoric, you know, it's, it brings happiness, it brings joy.

It does so many things. And I think that is not only for the audience, it's for the comedian as well. Yeah. You know, it's euphoric, it's healing, it's energising, it's for the comedian as well, doing it. And now that you're appearing on lots of big shows and you're a familiar face on lots of high profile things, so your parents must be used to this by now. And for example, you were on, you were on Jonathan Ross's show. and you were on with Taran Edgerton and Hugh Jackman.

And I think I looked at that clip on YouTube and I think it's had over like six million views or something. Yeah. Well, you're talking to them about Brazilian waxes amongst other things. Do you remember that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tarant's mom's Brazilian, I think. That was it.

Not that we should say she hadn't had one, but it was a sort of misunderstanding, but they found you hilarious. and I wonder with those moments that kind of go viral and things. That's a big deal to go on Jonathan Ross's show, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is. Is that, are your parents all sat around the telly watching that? I think they could not believe that that I, yeah, because we grow up, we grow up watching Jonathan Ross

in these kind of chat shows like they used to watch Wogan, my parents. And if you were on Wogan, my God, you had made it, you were huge. And I felt the same about John Loss and I felt the same about John Loss and. I'm saying, oh my God, if you were on there, you were somebody, you'd done something, you'd made it in some way, you know. And also, to be on with, like, Hugh Chapman, who is one of the world's biggest stars? I'm one of the nicest men I've ever met. And he said to you at one point, sure, your class must have found you really funny,

mustn't know, they must have found you, went, no, they hated me. He found you hilarious. I mean, you know, when people talk about these days about, you know, know, women, there's not enough women in comedy on TV and how, it's hard for a woman to get a word in edge ways and, and, you know, toxic masculinity and mothers. I have to say, I was on with three of the nicest men who were absolutely supportive and lovely and kind to me. You had Luke Evans, Jonathan Ross, Taran Edgerton, and Hugh Jackman. Massive stars, all of them. Four white men. And they were so kind, supportive. and just really embrace me.

So there are men that exist like that. And really do have respect for women and are open to funny women. And I was lucky enough to be on with those four men at that time. His Will. Stay there, Ray. Stay there. You've also, you've done a lot of shows.

like you did Travel Man, didn't you? Oh, yeah, yeah. Richard I Wadde. How was that? I love that. Did you? I got lucky again there in that they took us to Nice and Monaco. So we absolutely love. I love the South of France.

I go there a lot. And we went to Nice, amazing time. And they flew us on a helicopter from Nice to Monaco. And that was amazing. And we went to the Hotel de Monte Carlo where they filmed James Bond. And we filmed in there doing some gambling, which was a whole experience. And we stayed at the Hermitage Hotel, which is like the hotel in the middle of Monaco, where all the, you know, like Elizabeth Taylor stayed there and like massive stars have stayed there.

It was amazing. It was so crazy because it's such a small place. A lot of people, and I don't think you have this, but there are some people when they sort of in environments like that where you're suddenly finding yourself sitting on the Jonathan Moss show or staying in this ridiculous Millionaire's Hotel. Some people talk about imposter syndrome when those things happen. Do you have that or do you think I have a right to be here and it's fine? I'll just lap it up.

I steal everything. I steal everything. I steal everything from the hotel just to, so I can remember. I was actually there. I actually experienced this. My house is basically the inside of the Hermitage Hotel. I've stolen everything. I don't have imposter syndrome.

I feel like, how did I get here? How did I, like this Muslim Pakistani girl from working class Birmingham, how did I get here? And I just lap it up because I think it's going to be over soon. I'm never going to get this chance again. It's never going to happen again. So I try and make the most of it. Do you ever find that sometimes does that get tiresome

where you're sort of called upon to be drawn into debates about, say political issues or do you know what I mean because people think oh we'll ring her well no do you know what I mean let's discuss the hajab or the burqa do you get does that happen well no because they've got an iturani now as well so so there's two of us you're all doing the lord's work so we're on rotation now there's me an itirani there's mirasail and there's quite a few up-on-coming Muslim female comics now so we you know like we it's not just me anymore And I like that because the pressure is off me to commentate or to ask for my opinion on this. When I first started, it was always me, just me, and I hated it.

Why? Because I always wanted to just be a comedian. And why should you be a spokesman? Spokesperson, sorry. Spokesperson. Also, my lot, don't want me representing them. Why are they asking her? Like, why do, you know, like, and also, we're not all the same.

We don't all have the same views, and we don't all have the same background. And they used to have that one black person on a show, one Asian person, one Muslim woman in a shirt. And then you get set up to defend, say, the wearing of the burgl or something. Yeah, all the time. And I mean, they do still have that because they need representation. But you want to be somewhere because you're good. I always wanted to be on a show because I was funny or I was good at what I did all because I'd worked hard and I was good at my craft. I always wanted that.

But then you do get dragged into every race issue and every representation issue. But, you know, if you work hard enough and you stay at it long enough, you can get past that. Yeah. But it does get tired of. Eventually they'll stop asking you. Yeah, but it does. And you'll get seen as just being you. You want to be, I wanted to be seen as Shazia Muzza, the comedian, not, you know, Shazia Mosa representing all Pakistani Muslim men in Britain or in Birmingham.

Yeah. And they do do it still. And tell me what you're up to at the moment because are you going on tour? I am going on tour. I'm going to come and see you. Yeah, I'm going to sneak Ray into the dressing room. You must. You must. I'm going on tour in 2027.

My new show is called Prude because I'm a prude. Apparently I'm approved. In what way are you approved? Well, we glorify Bonnie Blue and Lily Phillips and all these girls now where they're doing what they're doing. Right. They're glorified. You know, I saw Lily Phillips the other week on Holly Willoughby's podcast. These women are given air time and they're glorified and celebratized, you know. They're now celebrities.

And we should say, everyone knows. I think most people know who they are, but they're sort of, you know, online sex workers essentially. Would you describe them as, Will? Well, she has. On Only Fans. They're sort of online sex workers. Yes. They're banned from OnlyFans.

And because of the content is so explicit or something, I guess. Bonnie Blue, she's famous for Sleepy, with 157 men in 12 hours. And Lily Phillips said something the same. You know, these girls are now celebrated and glorified and glamorised. And then I remember going on a date with a guy once. And I, after about two months, I mean, I refused to sleep with him. I said, you know what? I'm Muslim.

We don't do that. this and he called me a prude. And I thought since when it's being a prude become a dirty word and being, you know, sleeping with 157 men in 12 hours glamorized and glorified, surely it should be the other way around. How, why is the prude, why is being a prude such a dirty word? And so I am a prude and I'm going to celebrate that and I'm going to glorify and glamourise and bring prude back. So my show is called Prude, because I am a prude. Bringing Prudish back. Yeah, I am a prude.

And that's quite interesting, isn't it? Because, yeah, you're right. I think now we've entered into a different space with all that stuff where I understand the need for it. I completely get the need for it, because I can see that it was a backlash and a reaction against women not having being treated in the same way as men when they talked about their sexuality or their sex life

for women weren't allowed to have lots of different sexual experiences. I get that, but I think where I agree with you is that where it feels complicated for me with some of these women is where that line comes between empowerment and exploitation. And actually, you think you're being empowered, but actually unfortunately, you're being deluded into thinking you're empowered. Where does degradation come into?

Yeah, you know. And there's always one person that takes it too far. There's always, I mean, 157 million 12 hours and you'll become famous for that now and making money off that. And she makes $5 million a month. And then there's girls online. I've seen comments from girls going, oh my God, I really admire you. I want to be like you. Oh my God, you own $5 million a month.

I want to do that. So you do inspire people by doing that. And it's not like you've had a lack of role models. You've got amazing women who've done amazing things recently. and you know Malala, Greta Thunberg, we've got amazing women who've done incredible things. So you can't say it's a lack of role models. To choose to do that when you have got so many amazing women and so many amazing opportunities for women now more than ever. I think it's also, I remember there was this thing, and I think it's still going on a bit,

this idea that, you know, and no, you know, I think it's absolutely there's a difference between not judging sex workers, which I wouldn't do, but also acknowledging the thing. fact that the industry they work in is often male controlled and male run. Even these women, like Bonnie Blue and Lucy, but, you know, only fans we know is it's men making money from that. There's still exploitation for women going on. And so what I'm saying is I absolutely support their right to do that. Do I buy that this is an industry built on female empowerment? Absolutely not. I don't buy that. It's still men exploiting women. And I don't think it's taking women forward.

When you think of the suffragettes and people like that, the things they did to give women the right to vote, the sacrifices they made, and Emily Davidson throwing herself under a horse, at the race horse and, you know, in protest of women's rights. And the things that women have done to take us forward, I don't think that this is taking us forward. I think it's taking us backwards.

Even though I do support, women should be able to do whatever they want. but I think the long-term mental effects on you as a woman are going to be really detrimental. And your kids, if you have kids. Yeah. You know, once it's online, it's online forever. And I just think women have always been on the back foot

and we will continue to be on the back foot if we do things like this. So, I'm definitely going to come and see you on tour and I might sneak Ray in with Michelle. Oh, please. There'll be a special seat for Ray. You can be in the royal box. O'ray, your royalty!

And thinking that you're also writing a book at the moment? I am writing a book. It's going to be about my life growing up up until the point at which I became a stand-up. I'm not about stand-up, it's up until that point because, you know, growing up in Birmingham, in this strict Muslim-Pakistani family, and then I became a teacher about my upbringing, about, you know, my parents coming over, living in Birmingham, and, you know, and then it kind of, I'll write another book in the future

about my life in stand-up, but it will kind of make sense why I did, why I became a comedian. Yeah. Your life growing up, I think that informs how, why you do what you do. Yeah. Because, like you said, there has to be something wrong with you.

Like, something must have happened. Yeah. for you to do this because it's such an unusual thing. Have you can't come up with a title yet? I was thinking of calling it Merza She Wrote. That's so good. I actually genuinely think with Merza, she wrote. It's my laugh.

Because also it's about rewriting a new story. And I wrote my life story. This is not how it was meant to be. Yeah. And I wrote it. I like that. I think we need to stick with it. How exciting.

It's hard writing a book, as you'll know. It's the worst thing that's ever happened to me, and I lost my entire family. The book writing about their deaths was worse than them dying. It's horrific. It's horrific having to live things again, think about things again, and feel things again. You think, oh, do I really want to say that? When have you got to deliver it? Oh, it was meant to be delivered years ago.

I'm with Haché. Oh, Hachet? I was with them. Oh, were you? Oh, they'll fine. No, wait. Yeah, they are waiting. They are waiting. So, but they are good. But I, because I've had, you do TV and then you do this and then you're on tour and you've got to fit it in. But the thing is also, we like the distraction.

What I like about things like podcasts, which is why do, you know, so many of them is it's done. I go, I do it, the work is done. It's not this horrible thing hanging over you every day, like a death sentence. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Once it's done, it's done. I'm taking another picture of you here. It's the same with the. It's the same with filming.

You film a TV show. Yeah. And then that's it. It's done. It's out there. It's gone. Right. Come on, Charlesia.

We're going to get you back. So I'm really looking forward. Oh, you don't like that. How aggressive he is. You can't get Ray. He's not aggressive. He's a cockapoo or something. What does that mean?

He's just a little cockapoo. See, everybody love Ray. Everybody, do you know what? That's the thing. And that's why getting Ray is lovely because, you see the best of them people. Yeah. Do you know what I mean?

That's what I love, Sharsia. When you're walking with Ray, people are looking miserable or unhappy and they see rent and they smile. Do you have you made lots of friends since you've had friends? So many friends. So many friends. Dog walking friends. Yeah, because what will happen is you'll be walking through the park and someone will just

start chatting to you and they'll say, oh my God, what an incredible dog. Yeah, yeah. Next thing you know, 20 minutes later, you're having, telling you all about their life. And you know what I mean? So I love it. Like that woman you met just earlier. Yeah, I love that. She was nice, wasn't she?

I really like that. Joyce we met earlier. Yeah, she was not. She just reminded me. And she telling you about her sisters that had died. People stop telling you things, don't they? Really serious, personal things. Just because of a dog.

That's it. Well, look what I've made you tell me. Something's going on here, Charles. Oh my gosh. What is this? What is this? I don't know. Filming something. Oh, they'll be filmed. It's called Willie's Lumps. Look over there, Willie's Lumps. You've now been tasked with carrying Ray and I feel bad. How much does Ray weigh? Am I allowed to ask that? Yeah, he's about five, six pounds. Oh. Yeah, five pounds, I reckon.

Five pounds. It's not bad, is it? Not bad. Yeah. Not bad. So, Shazia, have your parents, how are things now in terms of, have they fully accepted? Wow, this is our daughter. She's been on chat shows now with Hugh Jackman praising her. She's had a 60 minute special in America. No comment. Now, the thing is, this is also part of the Asian work ethic. It's like, okay, you've chosen to do something, which it was never on the list of nominated jobs. You know, no doctor, lawyer, dentist, solicitor, MP.

But, okay, you've chosen to do something different? Now, just be the best at it. Just be the best at it. Get to the top of it. And I think if I had been less successful, they would not have been happy and they would have been ashamed of it and it would, you know,

they would have seen me as a failure. But I think once you become successful at doing whatever you do as you do, you become accepted. Right. It's not acceptable. But it's accepted, I think.

But I think things are changing now because there's more Asians in this business than there has ever been before. You know? We're not just doctors, dentists, lawyers, solicitors and MPs now. We are filmmakers and actors and musicians. You know, we're moving out of our lane. And it's about time.

It's about time. It's great, isn't it? It has to be this way. There has to be diversity in all areas, not just, you know, your people do this and our people do this. Yeah. It makes the stories richer, makes the comedy richer, you know. It has to be. I'm glad though, because that makes your life easier that you don't feel you're having to sort of living secret.

I'm the only one. Well, it would be difficult to also keep the secret going if you're clearly not Jonathan wrong. Jonathan Roth. Don't tell anyone. Yeah, yeah. You know, we need to hear about people's lives and their stories and it makes it more interesting. Otherwise, art is just bland. And you're...

Are you married? Me, I am. I am. So that was a big tick from the parents. We were just relieved. At one point, just bring anything home. We don't care. We just, just bring it home.

Just bring anything home. Come over here. And we don't care now. Has he got two legs? Okay, that'll do. So, Shalzia, we're heading back to the car park now, which I think is that way. And I've had a lovely time.

Yeah, I don't know about you. It's been so nice. I love Ray. I love Ray. Do you want to spend more time with him? I'd love to spend more time with him. He's so calming. He's lovely, isn't he?

He's so calming and just such a lovely face. Do you love that he doesn't bark as well? No, barred. Has he ever barked? No. Is that a thing about chitzus, they don't bark? I think some shitsos do bark. I think with him, it was a combination of him just being a very gentle sort of

good nature's dog. Yeah. But also bear in mind he's in the ideal situation for not being a high cortisol, as I call it, dog because it's just me and him. Yeah. So he's very calm. And he gives you everything. He's not exposed to constant noise and shouting. And what can happen is that that reinforces barking. So I'd learned about this. When you get, you know, you get those dogs that are very reactive and barking. You've probably seen them. And you feel for the owners, because these dogs just go, wow, wah, wah, wah.

Yeah. There's a reason for that. And it's not the dog. It's always the human. Is it? It's never the dog. And it's no one's fault, because no one realizes they're doing it.

Right. I've learnt this through dog behaviorists. What happens is that when the dog starts barking, the human reaction is to sort of feel slightly embarrassed. So they want to cover it up. and they pick it up or they pet it and they say, don't do that, darling, don't do that. What they're doing every time they do that

is reinforcing that bad behaviour. Because the dog's reading that as, oh I got a stroke and picked up because I made that, kickoff and there's noise. Okay. So there's actually a really strict training schedule you have to go through, but unless you've done the research into what it involves and it's really boring,

you'd be good at it because of your work ethic. You've got to stick in it, Charles, Oh my gosh. But the thing is, it's so nice to have a dog that doesn't bark. I know. But my point is, I think I'm lucky, but I also think I am quite boundyed with him. And I think what happens is with a lot of small, cute dogs, people think, oh, don't shout at them. Don't shout at them, but you have to speak firmly. I speak quite firmly to Ray. So he knows, Ray can walk along the street. He'll never run into the road. Oh, that's good.

Because I just say, wait. He would never move. And he does, like, he understands weight. You understand weight, don't you? Come on, Ray. Ray, wait. Oh my gosh, that's amazing. He does exactly what you tell it to do.

It's almost as if people need to train their dogs. Good boy, come on, Ray. Wait. See? But some people might say that's aggressive. It's not. So Emily you're basically like Barbara Woodhouse. You just tell the dog what to do and the dog does it.

You are the modern day Barbara Woodhouse. There are some other dogies here. Good boy. Don't you think Ray looks like he's walking in high heels? Come on. It's so cute. He's basically like a walking rug. Look at that.

Yeah, he's an imperial chit-so. Has you got? Yeah, he just has, he's got naturally, he's got naturally fabulous hair. And then I take him to the groomer. He has a lot of grooming every four weeks or so, have to get him done. But yeah. Raymond, nice to meet you. Everybody loves Raymond Charles, yeah?

Everybody loves Raymond. Hello, Raymond. Have you taken Raymond abroad? Have you taken Raymond abroad? Has he been on holiday? No, I wouldn't take him abroad. Really? Because I don't like taking dogs on airplanes.

I would only take him... I've seen dogs on aeroplane. I think some dogs it's fine, but for smaller dogs like this, who can have kind of respiratory issues. Okay. I just feel nervous about it.

Yeah, yeah. Showsia? Yeah. What a lovely walk it's been. It's been lovely, thank you. I really enjoyed it, have you? It's been great. It was worth the ginormous parking ticket

I'm about to get. Oh my gosh. I hope you haven't got one, but they've got cameras everywhere now. Well, I am inevitable. going to get one because these bastards let's go this way I'm going there's cameras everywhere have A&PR when you leave it was very joyous getting to see you it's been good dogging with you Emily I've loved it I've never been dogging before and my first

time dogging on Hampstead Heath family I should rename this podcast dogging with Emily Dean that's what it should be called well we'll definitely come and see you on hamster teeth oh my god Ray hi Ray let's do a good boy Say goodbye to Shorziah, Ray. Bye, Ray. Bye. Oh, he looks sad. I really hope you enjoyed that episode of Walking the Dog.

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