Walking The Dog with Emily Dean - Stevie Martin (Part One)

Episode Date: February 24, 2026

This week Emily and Ray take a stroll (and a sit down) in Stratford with the brilliantly funny Stevie Martin, joined by her adorable half-schnauzer, half-poodle, Piper.Stevie arrived armed with treats and even a reindeer coat for Ray, instantly winning him over. When Ray unexpectedly launched into a dramatic reverse sneezing episode, Stevie calmly stepped into action, proving herself not only a comedy star but a bona fide dog guardian angel.Emily chats to Stevie about growing up in Cheshire, her time at Durham University where she met Ed Gamble and Nish Kumar, and her early career as a journalist. They also talk about her sister Gina Martin, whose campaigning led to upskirting being made illegal in the UK. Stevie reflects on her own path into comedy, which has seen her rack up over 45 million views online and appear on shows including Taskmaster and 8 Out of 10 Cats Does Countdown.Her debut live show Clout was so popular it’s been extended for a second time, running from March 3rd to October. Tickets are selling fast and available at https://steviemartin.com.It’s a warm, hilarious and big-hearted walk with one of the most exciting names in British comedy right now. Ray adored both Stevie and Piper, and Emily may or may not have tried to secure a lifelong friendship.Follow Emily:Instagram X Walking The Dog is produced by Will NicholsMusic: Rich JarmanArtwork: Alice LudlamPhotography: Karla Gowlett Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Who's reading the current affairs posts on an escort? I really appreciate the scope of what they were trying to do. This week on Walking the Dog, Ray and I took an East London stroll with the amazingly talented comedian Stevie Martin and her adorable half-snouser, half-poodle, Piper. Now, Stevie arrived laden down with gifts for Ray. There were treats, there was a reindeer cloak,

complete with antlers, just FYI. And I'm not sure if Ray was just struggling a bit with the cold or simply overcome with greed, but he suddenly launched into an epic reverse sneezing episode. If you know dogs, you'll obviously be familiar with this, it's usually harmless. But when it's happening, it can look genuinely terrifying. And Stevie was honestly amazing. She was Googling what to do and being so calm and reassuring. So I basically decided after three minutes of knowing her,

she was going straight in my phone under contact in case of emergency. She also felt we should head inside for a bit to warm Ray up and give him some water, so we kicked off this episode in a nearby cafe. And within minutes, by the way, Ray was completely back to his old, slightly entitled, cell. As well as being a dog guardian angel, Stevie is also fast becoming one of the biggest names in comedy at the moment, so I couldn't wait to find out a bit more about her path into performing. We chatted about her childhood growing up in Cheshire with her parents and her sister Gina Martin, who you've also probably heard of.

She's the women's rights activist who successfully campaigned to change the law and make upskirting illegal in the UK. We also talked about Stevie's early experiences of comedy at Durham University, which is where she met Ed Gamble and Nish Kumar, her stint as a journalist, and of course her comedy career, which has seen her racking up over 45 million views. online and appearing in everything from Taskmaster to 8 out of 10 Cats does countdown and Mitchelam Webber not helping. Stevie has also received incredible reviews for her live comedy shows and her debut show Clout was so popular. She's extending it for a second time this year. The tickets

are selling out pretty fast so don't miss your opportunity to see her. It kicks off on March 3rd and runs until October and you can book your tickets at steviemartin.com. and I just adored Stevie. As well as being properly hilarious, she's got such a lovely warm, genuine energy about her. She's one of those people who makes you want to blurt out. Please will you be my friend? And in fact, I may well have done that at some point. Humiliating, I know, but I defy you not to do the same thing when you meet her. And as for Piper, well, let's just say Ray would very much like her to be aware that he's currently single and ready to commit long term. hope you enjoy our walk here's Stevie and Piper and Ray Ray.

Oh hello staring. She stares so much she really stares we call her Feathers McGraw from the Wallace and Glamming series but she's not got the evilness of the penguin but she may, she may she may. She's a real stare. I absolutely love her. I love Ray. Also I'm so glad that they didn't because she can sometimes be a bit barky with dogs that she did that the energy is wrong she seemed to like Ray she does like Ray I mean how can he not he looks like a hat he looks like one of those lovely and furry hats that they would wear in the 90s the sort of big bucket hats they're sort of

coming back like top loader dancing in the moonlight a hundred percent like top load it like Jamiroquai it's a Mirroquai dog yeah we should explain you can probably hear it's a little bit echoing here but I'd met Stevie we'd arranged to me and I was so excited to have this woman on my podcast because I'm such a huge fan and I have been for a while. You have to say that because I'm on your podcast. Well, I do, but I don't often mean it. But I do, this is one of those rare occasions where I mean it. So we'd arranged to meet in Stratford, specifically at the aquatic centre.

I'm an aquatic woman. Interesting choice, we'll get back to that. And as soon as I met you, you turned up with your beautiful dog, whose name is... Piper. and this is Raymond and then there was a bit of an incident wasn't there? It was very cold outside and Ray started, what was it Stevie?

Well he did start, apparently it is reverse sneezing but quite violently he was kind of snorting onwards like he couldn't breathe through his nose and he was panicking. Yeah. Really stressful. And you were so calm I have to say that was honestly

such an insight into you as a person because you were amazed I don't know I felt very safe with you and you. Have you seen me on top of Yeah, that's why it surprised me a bit. But you were googling instantly and you were like, it's okay, it's reverse sneezing, I've looked this up it and you kept saying it will pass, it's not serious, it looks serious.

Yeah, kept saying it, because I think he was too cold in it, and I think the excitement of meeting another dog and being too cold, he sort of got a bit like, you know, and meeting, let's be honest, TV's Stevie Martin. I'm meeting me. Maybe you thought I was Steve Martin, maybe that's what's happened again. I'm going to be the one person who's ever interviewed you who's not even going to refer to that. I get so bored. Even my beloved Richard Herring, he went on and he said when you're on his podcast,

oh, you always get asked that. It's so boring. The thing is, yeah, you've got an outfit, kind of. I know, I've had shows listed as Steve Martin recently on the tour. Like, it is a thing, but thank you for passing over it. And we'll gloss over it. Yeah, we'll just go through it. Yeah.

And if you Google this podcast and it comes up, Steve Martin sits. down with Martin Short. Martin Short is not on this podcast. So anyway, as a result of what we're going to call the incident this morning with Ray, you had a great idea. We came into Sadless Wells in Stratford and there's a lovely sort of reception here. Yeah, it's very nice. It's very big and there's occasionally a child will run. Yes, you will hear children screaming. That's fine. You know when children do that, they just, here's one now. Here's one now. It all sounds like it could be a. It could be a.

duck thwapping and then they know that is a child find the child so you will hear that so this podcast is going to be a little bit more echoy than normal because you're in saddles Wales and you'll hear this occasionally yeah i think it's nice it's like a sound scope adds a little bit of jeopardy as well and yeah you'll hear that here's another one that's a demon actually that's just come out of the child's mouth um that was a bit like the exorcist was a bit like why do they run children like that aimlessly i honestly think the older you get the more that it's sad that you don't run around, you know? Because like, I saw this aquatic center

and I was like, ooh, an aquatic center. And I just walked slowly towards it. But if I was four, be like, oh, like you just kind of, everything's so exciting, isn't it? Kind of want to get back to that a bit. I think the weirdest thing I used to do, and I'm hoping that a lot of little girls used to do this, because I was, is I'd go into a room

and I'd get so excited, I'd pull my dress up. Like, I'd walk into a room. And I'd just go, it was like I was so pleased with my I just pull my dress up and I'm not having to say oh darling you know maybe don't do that when I got a bit of holder to learn about the sort of systems of society that hold us down at that point is that more like is that you're like I just want to be free of like I just want to be free of the shackles of my skirt no or you wanted to show you bottom I think I was showing off I think it was when I was really pleased with myself yeah it was like look at me everybody

the best way of showing off isn't it that's what I was doing so yes this will be Not a walking the dog, a sitting with the dogs, cuddling them, inside the rather echoy saddles world. And Ray's dressed as reindeer. And Stevie also brought along gifts to her here. The children are back, Stevie, they're back. They're back. They're back. Like poltergeist. And it's important that every time we hear a child, we stop the podcast.

We can't do that. I just want to tell you every single time. Apologise for the children walking. Stevie also, I should say, came laden down with gifts. She had treats. I'm a real sock up. And we will take pictures of this. She's also got a spotty,

it's sort of a reindeer costume. It's a reindeer costume. From Morrison's, I saw the Morrison's label. Oh, is it, Morrison's, that does make sense. It's because it's, I've tried so much to get piped to, I don't really dress her up, or never really wants to dress her up, but she doesn't like rain, see, like,

and then she gets all messing and stuff. And so I just wanted to get some sort of simple thing to cover her fur. She gets really cold. She won't wear it. She looks like, she does this position, like she's been shot, and, like, what? still like she's like when looks up like what have you done and then won't move so it's just

been a constant battle really so I thought Ray might get more sort of and also he was cold and so it did make sense actually didn't it it's gone down really well with him hasn't it way way he's very snuggly in it so talk me through your beautiful dog she seems like it's a she I don't know okay um it seems like she has a quite a similar energy to Ray she seems quite gentle and calm she is very very gentle she's very very calm but then um she can also really not be so there's a lot of she's very smart and uh and now when she knows oh nothing's gonna happen she goes okay and she'll power down but she thinks there's any possibility of any like tuggy happening or play or running around she like the other day we were trying to watch

the the bridge which was a show that was on 10 years ago maybe even longer and I like I'm just watching it now. Very good Scandinavian drama. And she just thought she wanted to go out, she wanted to have fun. She just sits there like this and just stares at me, nose to nose, pause at me, does little play dance with a bum in the air,

the play bowing. So she's quite kind of like engaging. But right now, yeah, she goes, oh, Stevie's doing some work. So she just sort of flops down, which is good. Doesn't do that with my partner. Very different with him. Really?

He's the play fun one. I take her to a lot of jobs. He doesn't. So she's with him is like she's a sort of Tasmanian devil. Can you imagine that? I can't. And when we're going to ignore that? Yeah, of course. Oh no, it's going to be a full on meltdown now. It's going to be a full on meltdown. Yeah, no, that's. So I want to get back to, well firstly, when did you get her and why did you bring her into your life? Uh, 2021. Um, I've just always, I grew up with a miniature Chanel.

I was so nice. I just loved them and she lived with her, she was like 16, 17 and like we just loved her so much. She was just, she was like a little sister. When like she was, when she was 17, she was by the end, she was sort of incontinent and couldn't and have like arthritis. And my parents, who've never done this before or since, hired her Winnebago and just showed her parts of the latest street.

she couldn't walk, she couldn't do anything, but they just sort of took her to all the places she used to like, just so she would feel, kind of. It was like, so lovely. So we really, really cared. And I've always, always, always wanted one, but I've never been in a life position to be able to. To be able to have one.

Yeah. And like renting as well, because I have a house now, because I don't live in London anymore, but when I lived in London, renting with a dog was just a nightmare. Like, if you know what, no one would take a dog. So we had to find, like, And I wanted like a big flat because we also have a tortoise.

You have a tortoise, we need to know about this. She's lovely as well. Very calm. But you need to kind of have a house. Well, I want to have a house, a flat big enough to sort of separate. So it was quite hard to find that in London actually. But it was worth it. And so we in 20201 we moved into quite a big club, but like quite on the very outskirts of London.

Yeah. Like really far out in a place I didn't really want to live. just so that we could get a dog and then now we live by the sea and so she on the beach every day and she just yeah oh it's the best i can't imagine i just couldn't imagine not having a dog it's the one thing that i've always really really wanted and it's been great they are they are like it's it's different from when we had the puppy when i was growing up because i was five when we got her and i forgot the puppy stage could be quite intense yeah she's just pissing everywhere like at one point she's she shat up the wall.

Like it was a rented, it was rented competition to repaint the wall. And I'm just like, surely this was not what it was like, my mum was dealing with that. I'm two young kids. Like I don't understand how much it did it. God, it is true though, isn't it? I think it's just going through that experience. That's the thing. It is like having a baby.

Is it? Right. Well, yeah. A baby that sort of fluffy and bites and won't actually get any older or mom's short. We'll never mature. Yeah. Or want to listen to you. They do calm down though, so about three, I think.

It was just suddenly was like, oh, she's great. But do you find with Ray as well, there's always maybe something that you have to kind of be like, oh, why is he doing that? Oh, he started doing this. I wonder what that is. You can't, they never just set. Or is Ray quite set in his ways? No, he's constantly surprising me doing strange things. Yes, this is it.

Well, like his reverse sneeze this morning. Yeah, what was that? What was that, right? Why did you do that? Why did you frighten us? He looks so happy with himself. Oh, he's so happy, so much happier now. He's inside, although we are going to make you go out again at some point.

No, we can. We can. Not that. We can, because it's too noisy in here. I want to find out a bit more about your childhood because, yeah. Yeah, well tell me, is it Cheshire? No, where is it? Yeah, that's where you grew up.

Yeah, my parents are scousers and then, but we... Love the Scouts. Yeah, but also like, I was always like, they don't really have an accent and then they really do. What does your mom and dad do? My dad's a session drummer. And now he like mainly does sort of sessions by like he has a studio in Liverpool and so he'll go in and do them by proxy. Like the kind of technology is now allowed him to kind of do it. Has he got quite a strong scoff accent?

Yeah, he is. Yeah, but both of them are like proper scouts. Oh, I love scouses. When I was young, I had a scouse accent as well. Did you? Yeah. And then we grew, but then we moved, we didn't live in the, my grandparents all lived in the Liverpool, but we've sort of moved outside. And not, as everyone keeps telling me, oh, you lived in the Whirl.

Like, no, I didn't live on the Whirl. It's sort of like in, like, outside Chester and sort of. And just like a very normal, it's a very normal town, really. And was your mum a homemaker or did she work? So, yes, my mum had so many. My mum was so impressive. She was, so she used to be, when she had me, she would be like a living nanny for incredibly rich family.

So she, did she didn't in Manhattan for a while? Oh, my God, that's like the nanny diaries or something. Literally, yeah, like incredible. And she like brought up these kids and then she did it in the little. They always call things like James Keating and the third. Yeah, you know what I mean? They always got like wild names. Yeah.

And they wear little blazers, the children. And then there's always, I always find their relationship with the parents and the nanny really interesting of like that feeling of being like, and you're just bringing up my, my kids. And that's fine. And so she got, yeah, so she lived as like wild sort of time where, you know, she got to live in like, in like the upperry side. in Manhattan, but like attached to this like ridiculous family. Like and then she moved back to the UK to have me and then she had two kids and was I would like paint so she's really artist so she would paint murals for people on people's walls or whatever and then she went to university at 40.

Wow. And retrained as like an interior designer but for like so she won all these awards for help for doing like dementia care homes. So she had all these really great ways of like making people with dementia feel, for example, like corridors and stuff in those care homes, she'd always put like a chair or something at the end of them. Because people with dementia may often walk somewhere and not know why they were there. But if there's something there, like a little some books or something grounding almost. Yes. Then they can go, oh, this is why I was here to sit in this chair.

So she had so many like little smart kind of tricks that you have. So she did that for like 15 years and then now she and then she went back to kind of looking after. She also did distance looking after kids with like special needs. I'm specialising like autism and she's gone back to doing that in like the local primary school where I grew up which is really like which is really really nice. Yeah. So that so she sort of done bits and bobs. It's really cool to have to have a mum who like decided to start her career at 40. Yeah, I love that.

I've never had that like, I had a bit of it, but you know when sometimes you speak to people who are 26 and they'll say like, well, I can't start my career. You want to be like, oh my God, you absolutely. It may be in the sort of 1800s if you're, you know, actually you'd probably be in 10 years of old age. It's like, yeah, you don't die at 38. It's crazy, isn't it? I mean, it's like you're unlucky if you do, but yes, you're absolutely right. I think that is, you know, that is changing a lot. And it's so funny when you speak to, you know, like I have with my nieces in her early 20s,

oh my God, I know what I'm actually going to do though? And it's what does it matter? And it is stressful, of course. It's a completely unsound because you want to find your thing and you feel, and you are an adult and also you're basing it on the, what you saw your parents or what you saw your parents doing and often the generation above me certainly had everything, well, not everybody, of course, everyone's very different. Yeah.

But there was a sense of like, by the time you hit, you know, it was a sense of like, that 30 you've probably your career is probably undergoing you've got a couple of kids you know you know you sort of settled down whereas now I feel like that's 40 for me like absolutely everything's really you know I think you can end up going into a career that's not quite right for you and probably enough we're going to talk about this because you and I I worked in fashion magazines oh my god so did I yeah let's unwrap that but I didn't it was only until my I was a lot older than you was in my late 30s when I thought yeah this this ain't it like it wasn't right for me and I kind of knew that instinctively. How long did you work? So I was in like journalism and fashion magazines for a long

time for most of my career and then it just coincided with suddenly I just had this sense. I thought this isn't going to be around from much longer. And you were right. So it was that's when I decided to go off and do, you know, focus on podcasting and broadcasting and all the performance side of things. But I just, and I'm very glad I did because it was better for me. But yeah, it's just interesting how I felt I stayed in that job because oh I'm a nice girl with an English degree and this is what I do it makes sense I never

it makes sense I never thought do I want to do this yeah yeah I felt like when I started writing for Grazia magazine I remember just being like well this is great this is good this is whatever like this is what in my journalism degree this would be I've completed it I mean but then I yeah I was I was also quite bad at it like looking back I was always pitching

stuff I mean I got on with everyone I also didn't I didn't have like a staff job at Gratia but like I worked at um uh Bauer so uh the sort of media company yeah so then I would kind of bat around all of those places and do like maternity cover sometimes and like come and I was freelancer and I had a but I had like a day job for a long time at the place called the debrief which was like an online version I suppose like an online it's really hard to describe now because it was in the 2010s I remember it yeah there was like a like a little period of time which sounds crazy when you tried to describe someone who didn't live through it where like because women's magazines were such a huge thing

and then the debrief and then there was something called the pool and there's actually a blog called the Vagenda which really started it off which was like women are writing online but like really authentically and like about things that have happened to them did they're a bit messy and it's like yeah and now everyone just so does that all the time like that's just called writing it's literally called writing and we're all a bit bored of it now actually and but the but it was such a big deal then and it was so exciting to be working in this place that was sort of at the forefront of that and I was so excited but even then it took maybe a year before I was like oh this

isn't gonna last either like I came in I think probably at the latter end of when you might have been working yeah and it was like oh this is a sinking shit like this is all about CEO SEO and like search terms and it was the start of like the algorithm like sort of eating creativity I think in a real way I saw it and it was like oh I can't write what I want I have to write about Kim Kardashian I have to write about what was the other things oh and celebrity big brother was a big and then when Love Island started that was being I didn't care about those things and so I wasn't able to write like funny but also I would be you know I was a beauty writer for a while but myself was like this mascara is meant to be indestructible

what's if we run it over with a car like it wasn't like proper stuff. And it was very clear that I wanted to be a comedian, but I was too scared. Really? Yeah. Not to me and not for a long time. But like, it was clear that I was like, this is not, like, I don't, this isn't enough. Like, I'm not fulfilled and satisfied by this.

I don't feel like excited to get to work. And I don't feel like I've, occasionally I'd write something that was really funny and it would go down really well online. And then I'd feel really good. but most of my day was spent sort of like actual journalism I was quite bad at facts quite bad at facts I was the same as you in that I would cosplay caring about these things so I was kind of like oh yeah I really care about this awesome winter yeah these shoes and this makeup and I think it's great everyone's having plastic surgery yeah I personally love that I really think it's really healthy to do that yeah so it but doesn't help with body I didn't help with my body image as well I mean neither okay because also I because I because

I wasn't like salaried at a fashion fashion magazine and the debrief was more like positivity and stuff. Still though, I would work in the same offices as the Grazieer and Gratia and girls and it just, yeah, and the way you'd write about people and so I went for heat for a while and a lovely group of people that worked there but it was like just post hoop of shame as in realizing that that was not okay. So it was struggling with its identity I think. as a publication, but it was also meant to be quite funny. So that's why they brought me in. But it wasn't funny, like, writing about people

who clearly have mental health problems on the TV shows. And also, there's a lot of famous people. Yeah, yeah. It's why they were put in X on the beach, because they are, they've got some sort of, you know, issue that is not being resolved. So we just get to watch it and laugh at them. And then what would happen is they would then go into terrible drug psychosis

afterwards. And he'd be like, okay, so now I'm writing about them and they're like in rehab and there's, and they're like turning up at the heat offices like, please can you put me on the cover? And you're like, this is actually really upset it. Like it's actually really not nice. So there is a, it was, it's quite an odd time, I think, to be a journalist at that time. Yeah. So what, Stevie, I'm thinking we should maybe head out.

Let's head out. It's still not great. Oh, it's raining. It's still a bit rainy. I can carry Ray in the little. reindeer outfit you've got him. Yes, he's warm now. I'm just aware that a school party, I'm going to say between 40 to 55 children, all around the age of between 14 to 17, have just arrived at Sadler's Wales. I'm not confident they're going to be able to do

indoors voice in the way that we need them to. You don't learn indoor voice until you're 27. I'm taking always, but I'd love starting off in our, in this very civilised way. Lovely coffee. Indoorse with a coffee. I think all dog walks should start indoors with a coffee, actually. All righty, should we go? Let's head out. I'm going to carry Ray for the moment.

I think that's what's wise. Do you think so? Come on. Oh, Piper, you're such a normal dog who walks and things. No. I feel like with a strange little one, Steve. There's no dogs that are normal. They're all weird, aren't they?

They're all sort of like, they've all got their own things. Where should we go down here? All right, let's brave this weather, Stevie Martin. Wow. It's actually quite mild. It's not bad. We could have come out here. We just panicked because of Ray. Yeah. Not the electrical equipment. I think they're walking the dog listeners, a dog people though and they'll completely understand why I panicked.

Yes, absolutely. And why it was right for him to warm up. So I want to go back. You're one of these people. I just, I leap around a lot because I just think you're They do, though. I make that, I think I bring that out in people. Yeah, I think you do and I love it. So I want to go back to Little Stevie, though. Okay, yes.

Was Little Stevie, this is growing up with your folks. Yeah. The Scoutsers who I love. And were you quite sort of extrovert and talkative and funny? Well, like, maybe when I was like two, at school I was very, very shy. But I don't know what, um, I think I was, but my sister is so much more that way. She's so extroverted, because I'm definitely not extroverted.

If you're kind of like going off the extrovert introvert thing, like I'm not, I'm sort of a talkative introvert, I think. But my sister is incredibly, like, so she's younger and she's so, she was so chatty. And so I sort of, I think, came off quite quiet in comparison. But, yeah, I definitely wasn't like, the class clown. You don't you hear about men, like male stand-ups. They're always like, and I just entertained everyone. And that's how I like, definitely not. I was just a very studious student.

Really? And I'm a real perfectionist. I would read a lot. My parents would often be like, do you want to go and play with your friends? I'd be like, no, blinds down, reading a book. like really quite odd as a child, I think. But then me and my sister used to make,

used to take my granddad's old camera which is like the size of a house and make sketch shows and write little stupid comedy things together and I would film them and I'd sort of write them and we'd both sort of like do them and she would improvise loads

and she could do all the accents I couldn't. So it's sort of, and she's an activist doing a lot of good work. She's amazing, your sister. She is, in case anyone doesn't know, it's Gina Martin. And she was responsible for making upskirting illegal. Yeah, solely responsible.

When that terrible Giselle Pelico case, the reason that they got him was on Gina's law that he was got for upskirting. And that was why, and if that wasn't an offence, that wouldn't have happened. But like they wouldn't, so yeah, it's very, very, very, very impressive. And now, and she now kind of works with kids in schools on, and sort of like working with them on kind of gender-based kind of discussions

and feeling comfortable in themselves and how, like, young boys sort of interact with young girls and how it makes young girls feel. and she's really, really, like, impressive. But, yeah, she also could absolutely have been a comedian. And probably should have been. But do you know what? It says a lot about your parents in some ways that, I don't know, to have two people come out of the same family

who've both so sort of made such a name for themselves and so dynamic in different ways. You know, it's common to have something like, oh, they're both leading surgeons. Yeah. They both work for very high... They're both session musicians. Yeah, but it's the fact that whatever you chose to do, the two of you, which is very different, you've made a success of.

I find that very telling and I think that shows probably a sign of very kind of inspiring good parenting. I think it's very easy to tell children they can do whatever they want, and they can follow that. follow their dreams or whatever, which is a lot of parents don't do that. I know a lot of parents who've struggled with their kids becoming stand-ups, like a lot of my friends and have parents who now kind of accept it, but at the start they were worried or, you know, whatever. But I think it's quite hard, it's quite rare to have two parents that say that but also live that.

Like my dad did do that himself when he was younger. And so I grew up being like, right, well, as long as you can provide for yourself financially, you can do anything but you do but you do have to have some sort of money coming in and you and so he would have like loads of different jobs and he would like make it work and and then my mum going to uni like I say it like 40 was like okay I'm going to do that like it was really um you just there was no element of that we couldn't do what we wanted the only thing was you had to be self-sufficient if you were going to do it so I've always had jobs alongside it because and always kind of you know it's only very recently there I've been able to

to be a comedian like full time and that is my job. But yeah, I think actions speak quite loudly when you're parenting clearly because it really is like very deep in me that. I think also I think, yeah, sort of, I think that speaks of kids who've been raised with self-belief. Yeah. You know? Well, my parents really do, that they are really supportive and I mean that, that in kind of they come in, they've always, they come and watch everything. They read everything,

they engage in everything, like they'll listen to this, they'll send me a message, like, they're so, and with like Gina's work, they go to all the talks, they read all the books, like, and sometimes my sister, I love these parents, I really do. They are very, they're really supportive, they really are. And they're scouts as well. So they're not like these middle class ones, like darling, you were wonderful. No, we're very working class family, like very, very And I think money is always, when we were younger, I've now found out and know that like we really didn't have any money when I was little. But I would never know that. Because like they really, they really did a good job of kind of making, but then you go to school and you,

well, actually I went to sort of state school. But when I went to uni, I really struggled with that as this kind of concept money. I really hope you love part one of this week's work. The Dog. If you want to hear the second part of our chat, it'll be out on Thursday, so whatever you do, don't miss it. And remember to subscribe so you can join us on our walks every week.