WAR MODE - Christmas Bonus

Episode Date: December 19, 2024

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What would I have done? I would have done a legitimate investigation to find out what exactly happened on 9-11. How did they know who did this so quickly like they did Lee Harvey Oswald? Who's going to investigate the investigators? Who's going to investigate the prosecutors? Who's going to hold them accountable? Who's going to hold us public officials accountable? And that's all we're trying to do here in addition to trying to find the truth. Do you honestly and truly in your heart believe that Sandy Hook actually happened? Yes or no? No.

Alright, number two. And I'm here to tell you, 1776 will commence again if you try to take off firearms. We can give you a K. Clayton. It's only just begun. Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo!

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Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! All right, well, we're here with We're here with Cody Wilson, I've just heard about you man. It's a ghost gunner. Yes What do you think about Luigi? What's getting calls about Luigi? Got a lot of call. I got real right after this about Luigi Yeah, I'm doing Toronto radio right after this Oh, yeah, because of Luigi. What do you think about like the monopoly money and all that shit like man? He better have been losing his mind. Okay, because otherwise this is like the most obvious op ever. Yeah, right

I'm just gonna sit at a McDonald's and get caught. I guess I watched one of his friends get interviewed He was like he was so worried about becoming an NPC That like people are getting too much like dopamine from their phones and like they're not chasing their goals in life They're not getting anything done. You know what I was thinking about. I was watching the documentary they made about you and I watched um What's the blonde lady that does the cartel's thing? She was on Rogan That does the cartels thing she was on Rogan National Geographic is all the dangerous place. Yeah, there's you were on an episode of that I'm embarrassed to not have her name right on top of my tongue, but it begins with an M I can't I'm tired of but anyway, yeah, someone's just talking to you about it the other day

yeah, so like I was watching that stuff and I was thinking like Those dudes like that are like his age are fucking radicalized. It's about Luigi's age No, like your age my like the Bitcoin errs and the dudes like put like we were Idealist when Ron Paul ran the first time if it's Ron Paul did it right sweet spot That turns it like right-wing terrorists ten years later because the young dudes don't give a fuck about anything I think that yeah, they're all like irony poisoned. Yeah. Yeah, but we we had just enough sincerity to like see where it all went wrong Maybe and you're smart. Is that true? I mean you figured out how to make computer so you you sell the 3d printer Yeah, I sell CNC machine or CNC. I just like the same. It's the same family of technology

But yeah, we've done a lot of this here pull this closer. Sorry. We've done a lot of these We've done a lot of this. Here, pull this closer. Sorry, we've done a lot of these technology or packages that I could sell you at home, and then you can make a gun part, or a regulated gun part, or do gun work. And so that's really just over and over again led to all this opposition.

But how did it start? Like, what were you up to in college where you're like, fuck this? Yeah, how'd they find out about you? It started with 3D printed guns, man. I mean, that's where we started. That was the idea. Can you print a gun on a 3D printer?

I mean, that was it. That first one literally looks like a revolutionary war, like Super Mario Brothers. Yes. I deliberate. That's why it worked because people are like, oh, OK, it's like a Lego toy. It's like, OK, it's just a first. It suggests that it's kind of like primal or, you know, yeah. I don't know the word elemental. It was not metal. The first ones were not metal.

It was basically entirely plastic. And all the guns that inspired after that were entirely plastic because people thought well That's what we're doing here. We're trying to make as much plastic as possible About five years later people start doing what Luigi did. Yeah, just printing the plastic parts of standard normal guns, but Is there anything that made you do this? Or you were just into 3D and you're like, dude, fuck it. I'm not into 3D at all. Like I have no background in it where I could say like I didn't. I've got about 10 years in it now. Yeah, sorry. I don't. Now you get it. That's on us. So I mean, look, you might get in trouble for having me here,

man. That's because at this point, this is terrorism or something. But you know, like our amen. Just you know like our... Amen. You see what I'm saying? I mean we were inspired to do this because of people like Julian Assange. If that name still rings out. You know like I had no one else to copy but I saw what Assange was doing and they tried to take all his money away. They tried to debank him. You know they tried to get him lost up in the UK. And I was like we got to do something like this. But we could do this for guns because I'm from the UK. Yeah. And I was like, we got to do something like this. But we can do this for guns because I'm from the south.

Now, how does that work? I was talking to Marty and Cole and they were saying that it's just the receiver on the gun that is the only thing that has to have a serial number on the young business side, the stuff that really people really like like Luigi. Yeah, the part he printed Luigi that was the serialized part. And that's the part most printed. Luigi. That was the serialized part. And that's the part most people care about. That's the part that really where the rubber meets the

road, where people actually wake up and care about what you're doing. Otherwise, it's just a hobby. It's just a waste of time. Yeah, but haven't people been making guns forever? Absolutely. Right. In this country, right?

Like, gun regulation didn't exist until the last century. It was just dudes in the woods making guns forever. I mean, someone had to make a gun with no regulations before. Yeah, it's how it always was. But we've had this like urban, I don't know this experience of well, of course, there must be a government that can supervise that can, you know, and then we we suppose all this industrial activity in commerce. So the government just says, well, the businesses should regulate it

should serialize it. Okay, so this is all just a consequence of 100 years of mass manufacture of guns which is not how it was done before right yeah so you can't make bullets well I mean you can in fact my dad used to all the time no but I mean with the printer you can and you can't I mean it just depends like the bullet the part that you care about the projectile do you want to be plastic you know do you want it to be polymer oh so I can just shoot anything. I mean, you know the when you say bullet What you mean is the entire thing like the explosive? I don't know shit

Because a bullet is really like three or four things all jammed together, right and then yeah, that's harder, right? That's multiple materials. That's energetics. That's chemistry. There's all kinds of shit. They're kind of cousins Yeah, so, you know, I'm not trying to be like Neil deGrasse Tyson here or whatever It's just these Marge enemy that 3d printers The 3d printers can print kind of in one or two materials. Yeah, right. Usually it's just what can it print a gun receiver? That's what wakes people up and makes people care about right now. Yeah. Yeah, you know And then they could when you're like dealing like how long is this going on? Cuz in the documentary it said like you started in 2012 or whatever.

Yeah. How long you just get no heat and kind of under the radar? I had heat the whole time. Are you fucking? The whole time. Yeah, that's what I mean. How they find out about you. I had heat the whole time. The first time I got ATF trouble was 2012. ATF loves fucking around in Texas.

Dude, wake up. There was a field office here in Austin where I got interrogated in a field office here in Austin 2012. That was my first exposure. And then the ATF delay giving me a license because I wanted a license to do it because I figured if I published it didn't have one, they'd kick my ass. So they forced you to become Bain. Yeah, they made them like

printed, right? It was there from the beginning because there was always press. Yeah, like my approach right or wrong was always to say, hey, by the way, I'm doing this and you can help me and you can give me Bitcoin. Yeah. Right.

People did, you know. And then like our dudes following you, like what's going on once you start doing this, like do you like start to get like skits out like there's people following you and shit like this? Like is there something you started to

realize that that did happen? Now, I've denied a lot of that over the years. Yeah. So like skits out like there's people following you and shit like this Like is there something you started to realize that that did happen now? I've denied a lot of that over the years. Yeah, so I'll never know like what's real or not But there was an undercover somebody sitting outside my apartment for solid like four or five months Really like within ten feet of my front door because my door was just on the front like on the ground floor Yeah, and that dude would just sit there, and I don't know if it was meant to intimidate me if it was meant to Like on the ground floor. Yeah, and that dude would just sit there and I don't know if it was meant to intimidate me if it was meant to Reassure me. Yeah, you're like who is this guy who put this guy out here? But it was obvious and everybody around me my neighbors at the time were like, you know, what is this?

This was clearly meant to be a message to me. Yeah, right and that's the most overt stuff I had people visit old Bitcoin people visit my apartment at that time I used to live near UT campus and they would be like dude there's people all over your network. I mean this is crazy are you seeing? Oh they can like tell if someone's like on your note or whatever. They would show me like how how fucked my internet situation was. Oh wow. It was like people all over the world just sitting on top of me trying to try to see what I was doing from day to day you know because the people needed to keep an eye on it. Yeah. But like how much to say if I like try to do what you, to try to make a gun, how much does it cost me?

Oh nothing really. So it's like a couple hundred bucks? Yeah, because the printers themselves are a couple hundred bucks now. So okay, so that's why they don't like this. And honestly, the Luigi guy, some of the stuff he did, it makes no sense, it seems like someone who was really casually attached to it,

who hadn't done it even that much. Right. And it's just like maybe he dabbled a couple years ago and then brought it back up because he's like, all right, I'm gonna kill this guy. What did they say he had? They said he had a modified Liberator, I think. A modified Liberator?

That would be even weirder. That's how you know it's an op because there's been 10 years of progress. All he did was print a frame for a Glock. Oh, okay. I'm like falling away from the mic. No, it's cool. It was like a G for a Glock. Okay. Falling away from that. It was like a Glock 19. It looks like.

Okay. He printed a frame. The thing I read, they didn't have a clue then. No. They don't know what the news doesn't know what's going on. No, dude. They were ready. They were ready to just say it's a ghost gun.

What's a ghost gun? Yeah. Yeah, right. I just read the Rolling Stone piece. That thing's from four years ago and they just like slapped a new coat of paint on it. Okay. I got you. They didn't update the facts or anything. But yeah dude, he just printed a

Glock and when you say you print a Glock that doesn't mean you print the barrel or the slider or all the metal parts. You just buy all that. Yeah. Like on eBay or someone else's website. You just print the part that's regulated. Like you mentioned, that's very easy now. Right, okay. That's like one job and on a modern printer is like the bamboo labs and stuff. That's just a few hours. Damn. And it's just a plastic piece. Yeah. What about that steel shit that you guys are fucking around with?

Is that like a whole different ballgame? It's a slightly different game, right? So now, OK, there's some gun parts that you want to be made of metal. You want them that. OK, aluminum or steel. OK, you can do that on our stuff. Because 3D printers aren't necessarily

aluminum or steel devices. The CNC can do it. But CNC can cut it down. So printers build it up. CNC's cut it, mill it down. And you can't make a piece of steel illegal. No. And they want to. I suppose you could.

Dude, I mean, I don't know. It's like dudes who are saying, like, when you try to make LSD, like, it's immediate red flag. They want you under surveillance for everything. People buy bars of steel for all kinds of machining. Oh, yeah. Dude, well, I have a correspondence with this guy, well I did, he passed, his name is Leonard,

he was one of the biggest LST chemists in the country. Same thing, yeah, if they see that you have the precursors for that stuff, yeah, you're on all these lists. So they have been looking for years, I remember there was a Nancy Pelosi committee studying the same thing, what can we make the precursor parts? Some of this language even made it into legislation

like in California and other places. They wanted to treat it like drugs, but in the end they can't because it's all raw material. Do you got any friends up there at Capitol Hill? No friends who would claim me. No one who would admit to being my friend, but yeah, I do, man. And we were just at the Supreme Court in October.

Okay. What were you guys fighting? Like what was the first? I don't understand the fight because it's like it shall not be infringed upon or something like that. Yeah, What were you guys like? What's the, what was the first? I don't understand the fight cause it's like, it shall not be infringed upon. It's something like that. I'm very confused about this. No, I got to read that thing. And that's, that's a comfort. You're on Twitter and people are like, well, this is easy.

It violates the second amendment. Okay. Well, he's your seven done, man. You gotta like take them to the mat on that thing. And you almost never can. And what like, is there a main goal to just wipe you of all your money? Cause like I, I felt for you In the documentary when you're like dude You don't feel like a human because you're just like a rat in a fucking maze trying to fight the government and like trying To do what's right and then you said they'll just be like up fucking sorry. I guess you're right

I think at some point I just realized it was it maybe the words a game Yeah, they have master tacticians on you. Yeah for sure You know what I mean? And you just know it's like Endless mirrors endless hallways and like a like a labyrinth like you said, but then okay Is there a place you can find in your mind where you can not just enjoy that but then like Play that game in a way that they don't want you to play it and that's really I think that's what that movie is about Like what they did to a song just fucking insane if you really think about it Oh, they really like that took that dude's life took a sign that he can talk isn't saying they try to melt his brain Yeah, yeah, put him in solitary and stuff and I worry about stuff like that, you know, I think the times are changing there, man

Yeah Well, yeah I don't know man. Like I can't I have a hard time thinking like younger people have a problem with this Yeah, I mean boomers would need to be wiped out the equation. Yeah, it's like young people are like, yeah, dude This is just information on the internet. You're not gonna stop any of this stuff. It's like when Napster came out You're like, yeah, dude music's done. I think you're right way to generation and people are like, well, I've you know I've been downloading a gun since I was a kid. Yeah So yeah, but but I can get plans for anything off the internet

Yeah, you can I get like a PDF to build anything and if you give me the 3d printer I can make Anything I want make a fucking house with those things I feel different about it now than I did like in that doc that you were seeing you know in 2015 or something I'd give you a different answer. I'd have fought you on what you just said. Oh really, but now Trump won, right? Trump won twice It's crazy, you know, so it is different. How's Trump with all this kind of stuff? Honestly, not as good as you would you would think but at the same time now he now Don Jr's there like he's going with it Okay, so you'd want Trump over obviously what? You know, I think Don Jr's a big gun guy was Biden brutal. Yo, yeah, and that's I mentioned the Supreme Court, right?

Okay, cuz Biden passed this rule and okay say it was Biden. Whatever.. It was Biden's ATF. Yeah, yeah. And it was it was crazy. It cut down half the products that we had on offer. And so it made it, we had to literally tie one one hand behind our back to fight them. Is ATF kind of like, I don't know, like, if I think about like, the triple letter agencies in the deep state and everything, ATF is not really like on my hit list there. No. But like, are they like a deep state like, carrying on, like are they elected or are they? Oh, they're not elected. They're not elected, right? So they're around for as long as they keep their jobs. There's like this, so we're looking at Trump putting in a new ATF director right now.

Okay, cool. It's uncommon for Congress to approve an ATF director. I think this current guy, Diedelbach, he was one of the first guys to be approved in a long time. Okay. Because that agency's so controversial, they won't even let you put political appointees at the top of it.

So it's deep state in that sense, because they know if they get the data on you, okay, that's big data, people can do stuff with that data. So they kind of handicap the org and don't put political appointees into it. But there are still all these Obama holdovers, as far as I know, especially when you start parting out ATF into its different, like city

divisions, you know, Buffalo, yeah, yeah, those people are hardcore. They really care about fucking shit up and not letting people do stuff. I don't know. I live in Philadelphia. So like, it's scary if everybody was printing 3d guns. It does scare me with you. Because like when COVID hit yeah you know now you gave him masks and now they just go around doing retaliation kills and they I don't think they were ghost guns they were just regular guns

but I'm just saying like you go go to your I don't understand guns and then I watched that yeah documentary and if I watch a 3d printer make a gun I'm like oh I understand this thing now like it makes me want to get one of that one of your kind of gun sure sure instead of like going and buying one I'm just trying I understand how this works you know what I mean well I feel the same way when it's like when it's the same thing as a Glock that you would buy then you don't buy it yeah once you've grok'd it like that yeah from my opinion like all the all the handguns I've had for so long I've just been you know you just make the part right you don't have the number

but that's not me saying oh this is better. It's just that's how I prefer to do it now Hey, but you said you're from Philadelphia. Yeah, yeah, okay? I mean I was just there in a November and that was the first city to ban 3d printed guns was it really? I don't know if you know that no we don't know anything about this man 3d printed guns like ten years ago I never even heard of ghost guns until Luigi. Yeah, there you go. We'd you put some Philadelphia right Philadelphia sees what I'm doing 10 years ago and they go no we're not oh yeah we're not doing that. It's terrifying. So what are they just treat it they just treat it like uh that's a gun without a CO number going to

jail? Worse they they have a city ordinance where they say if you got a 3D printer and you make any of this stuff this is bad this is turbo bad. Okay well I mean dude like you know I think the talking point that they hit with the in the culture war to be like school shooters or something like that. But in Philly, like 12 13 year old little wannabe gang members. That's just something cool to have. They'll make custom ones neon like imagine how far out. Yeah, it would be bad.

And I'm not saying it's not a problem in Philadelphia. I mean, it's you know, they probably do need to do something. Yeah, at the same time that they're like, we need social workers instead of. I mean, it's you know, they probably do need to do something Yeah at the same time that they're like we need social workers instead of cops. Yeah Look I was at the Third Circuit Court of Appeals. That's why I was in Philly I go into the federal building cuz I'm on the federal building says something like Administration or you know the guarantee of justice or something. Yeah, we got all the old cool stuff I asked the marshal Mike is that true up on that building? He's like don't count We got all the old cool stuff. I asked the marshal Mike, is that true?

Up on that building? He's like, don't count on it. Fucking forget about it. Do you get any like from doing this, like not only like the government side of it, but what about with like gun companies? Because like they hold some fucking power, like Smith and Wesson.

Yeah, yeah. But here's my experience of it. Shit is always rolling downhill everywhere. So shit rolls downhill quick in the gun space. So Glock just got sued by New Jersey, for example, because people can print this part that turns them into machine guns. I don't know if you've seen this. Yeah, I don't see any of this.

It's called the Glock switch. It's very popular in Philadelphia. Yeah, very popular amongst the youth. So Glock knows it's getting sued. So like six months ago, Glock decides to beat me up, because I run the biggest file sharing website for some of these 3d printed files right so Glock comes to me cease and desist take all this stuff down stop using your name and you know It's like I'm in the habit of getting my butt kicked by these guys so much that even I have to say hey No, but it tells me okay. I know Glock is gonna get sued

Yeah, right, so I'm always like this kind of canary on whose butt ahead of me is gonna get kicked Yeah, and that applied especially to a company in Nevada that went out of business this year. I don't know if we need to talk about these things but in the industry, I'm seeing who's about to die. Yeah. I'm seeing who's big and can't die. Where do you think all this is headed? Man, it's if it's just dudes like me and like ex-military guys, there's enough organization on the Democrat side or we'll call what you will the NGO, the deep state guys, there's enough organization on the Democrat side or we'll call it what you will, the NGO, the deep state side, there's enough organization to stop it.

Commercially. Right. But, if it's not commercial, then no one can stop it. You know, it just hangs out on the internet and it just finds its way to different platforms. Is that the biggest form of the activity? No. But dude, these people really are organized to stop it. And when I saw the Mang gioni thing. I'm like

You know is this too convenient. Oh, yeah, I immediately I was like dude This is I've never heard of any of this stuff and all I heard for like three days was ghost gun dude If you told me you got a if you got a week to kill someone I'm going to the gun store and buying a pistol I'm not gonna sit there and Go and it clearly his plan is like oh, I'm going to New York. I'm not gonna sit there and really kind of got and it clearly his plan is like, Oh, I'm going to New York. I'm gonna kill this guy. Okay, you want to trust your printed handgun to do that? Yeah, you know? Well, I think maybe with that's why I was asking about

the monopoly money, because I'm wondering if it's some kind of a political statement he was kind of making. He might have been too online, honestly, for talking all that NPC shit. It's just like, that's right. And I read that substack stuff about how worried he was about NPC But that's like his his own concern. He was losing his mind. Yeah. Yeah, well didn't you have some he's probably on meds definitely And he was fucking I understand I watched my mom died of cancer, and I watched what the medical I watched what like big pharma does yeah, and I understand that kid yeah, cuz he had like allegedly in the manifesto

It's like dude. I'm gonna have the same nerve damage as my mom. Like I'm going to go through that. But like it's so frustrating because you're like, dude, you're just a peasant. This is what you get. This is life. And it's like no one wants to hear that, especially if you like you're kind of rich. Yeah, like I could just be like head down. I'm a peasant.

This is how we get medical care. But if you're like on the brink of like, shouldn't I be getting better care? Yeah. Well, I mean, it's always these like middle class, upper middle class people that kick off the world revolutions, you know, like, yeah, I don't know much about it, but I do know that it's not the guys in the factory. Yeah. Always just excuse some dude.

I guess it was Wall Street Journal told me that version of the manifesto that you read. Apparently that's not real. Oh really? Okay, apparently there's just like a shorter version of this thing where he doesn't talk about his mom It's even more confusing where he's just like when this happened. I was like none of this is real. That's not the guy I read the one you're talking about because I think you mentioned the Second Amendment and yeah in that one and I was like man I don't know and then I asked the press and they're like, yeah, that's not the one. Okay, so I'm just getting fake every day There's like four of these right and you can't pick the right one. But the right one is is the one that is the least attractive It's like small it says, you know, hey, I appreciate you guys you feds. It's all good. Don't worry acted alone

Most you guys are jacked and probably real cool. Yeah, that's Yeah, when I saw that I thought that was the most bullshit stuff in the world. Hey, man, I'm gullible What can I say? I'm just saying that's the one they're telling me is real and I'm like, okay And then so he doesn't even justify it. Yeah, right Like the press comes out and says well, he wasn't even he didn't even get health care through United Health The press comes out and says, well, he wasn't even, he didn't even get healthcare through United Health or something. That's a fucking wild move.

Unless he was just losing his mind, I don't know. I mean, we'll find out the dude's still around. In my head, he's kind of dead. Yeah, in my head, that's over. You know what I mean? Like in my head, it's like, they kill these fucking guys. That's right. Someone on the radio was like,

They're gonna let this guy talk in court? Yeah, no way. No way. Like when they do the school shooters, they drug them up and you have to really hear from them again. Yeah, that is fucking true. But with like once you like got out of everything, are you are you like done with guns completely? Are you still like no, no, no, I'm making shit.

I'm back in the I've been running my company the same way as you saw in that doc. Yeah. Since what? 2019, 2020. I mean, the same way. Yeah, but you guys have metal now. Sure, we have metal. I mean, it's not like the technologies have evolved that much. It's just that more people, like California, tries to kick me out of the state. You know? New York. Like you yourself or the company?

The company. Oh, right. Because, okay, we realize even with Biden, they're not going to pass a law. You know, they're not going to get the reg you know, they're not gonna get the regs So now it goes down to the state level where these you know, it's 16 17 states try to do it You know state by state right and that's been the fight for me the last four or five years I find in New Jersey in New Jersey. New Jersey's brutal dude. Oh, that's crazy Yeah, we live right next to it

And like if you like when I used to drive trash trucks if I had my gun going in in New Jersey, dude And it were hollow point bullets. They would fucking destroy you for that. Hey, they're suing my buddy Because he had a billboard across the river right like in Pennsylvania a billboard. Yeah. Yeah, and they're saying well people in New Jersey Could read your billboard for guns because for like a gun show. Okay, you know I mean, they're soon, you know, they're going out of their state and into other people's business in states. She's fighting Jersey since 2018 man. I mean, it's bad. Do any of the dubs feel good? Will you tell me what what dub you saw?

I'm just from the documentary. That's all I saw you fighting those guys. And it didn't seem that sick. No, it was not sick. A lot of people I'll see taking massive L. People are like, well, what is that movie about? It's it's like it's a it's about a guy having a bad time You could argue that parts of that are wins Yeah, but it never felt that way and only when you look back you're like oh, yeah, okay That was alright. You know like that could have gone way worse. I've never officially like won a case for example really you know

They just give up Is that what it is? That's what you're looking for. You're looking for the government to say well but we still win right? But we still win but like we'll leave you alone but we still win and you're like yeah yeah you guys won but like we're gonna keep doing this. Yeah there was part of it where I kind of got the vibe like they just don't even care that they wasted your time. They kind of spun you up. Well yeah. And then they just go. Exactly. Big machine right? And then okay a new guy comes in now He runs the machine now Trump runs the machine again, right?

But the machine is still working on six governments ago or something in some parts, you know So it's just this like it's this thing and no one's really in charge of it So I don't even think it's that political at the end of the day. It's just like inertia, right? Right, you know, but you got to be the guy that I don't even think it's that political at the end of the day. It's just like inertia, right? Right, you know, but you got to be the guy that I don't know sometimes you got to be the guy to eat the shit And uh, I just try to stand there man your post. Are there other dudes like you? I'm sure there's a ton of There's always there a bunch of like ghost gunner like died or like weirdly died in the documentary. Yes Oh, yeah that guy. It was a beast Jay Stark. Yeah, he's like a foreign guy, right? Yes They're like folk guys like that. I mean, yeah sure in the, he's like a foreign guy, right? Yes. They're like folk guys like that

I mean, yeah sure in the gun space it gets bigger and bigger, right? Okay, cuz it's so easy to do right for a couple hundred bucks now. You're like a revolutionary You know, yeah shoot a guy someone read your manifesto. Yeah Yeah, so there's a bunch of dudes but not many people are like actually involved in the the court side, right? Cuz that's insane and we're gonna find the money to do it You know, it's just a pure accident that I was able to fund it so far. How do you like, get, do you get just subpoenas or something? Or do you get like, served? All the time. I got subpoenas from the FBI two days ago.

Holy shit. All the time. So you're like in a war. All the, dude listen, there's the press side of it, which is like, okay the press wants its points, it wants its, you know, whatever, it wants to score eyeballs and stuff. And then there's like what the government says with the press, and there's what the government does. And the government is hardcore all the time running this stuff, okay? They just arrested a buddy, a dude in our space, and they gave him a thousand, a thousand charges, okay? This is the most... Like, a thousand separate charges.

A thousand separate charges, alright? This is in like,. We only get an 11 Okay, and they exactly right. It's an assassin. He's like trying to think I had to say they give his first indictments one charge Yeah, so they're rolling this guy This buddy, okay They're rolling him because they know he's part of a network Right and they want in on this stuff in a way in a sense They've only opposed me and a few of my friends who are

Businesses now they know they have to get into these networks of people because they're not businesses They got to take you down and brutally they got to take you down and they can't kill you Because you'll be a martyr. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you know what I mean? They got a fucking dissembled but there's a symbol this okay There's people watch my doc and people in my space now who say well There's no way they would have let you survive all that right? Oh, yeah, you can't like they turn Oh, yeah, you're number one. You're this dude's a fit Me for me yeah, maybe for me is like dude. Wow, okay, they let you beat those charges. Yeah

Yeah, and like walk away from a honey pot Like that did not happen. I want a good one I want a honey pot where I'm like dude. It was worth it China will give you that opportunity Just put like you work for a defense tech startup in your link All right, you're gonna get some Chinese DMs, but I've never felt like I got good Chinese pussy though So I have to say yeah, hey, dude. It's not for everybody. It's coming That's not a racial it's not a racial thing that's a political observation, okay

Were you getting like physically ill when all this shit was going on? I was like Dark room don't come outside. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I know I don't have the wherewithal for what he went through But you know, I also can't run a business At this point It's just so fucked up So look when you first when you first do some stuff like this you do it on accident You don't realize you're about to actually ruin your life. Yeah, or you wouldn't have done it, right? You know, I was like what 24. Yeah, you know, I was fucking stupid and I you know, I thought I believed I thought I meant the things

That I said and then everything after every year after is an opportunity to like hey, do you really believe this? Yeah, it's like a tattoo yeah, yeah exactly like is this really what you you're about, you know, and every year I I Look back and I just like if I foolishly thought well, yeah, no, I actually still believe this but Yeah, physically I was ruined. I at one point I went to like a like a hormone Special. Oh, yeah, I'm like what's wrong with me. I'm like dude. You have no cortisol. Holy shit. You know, it's just like you used it all up. It's just blown out You know like you should see like a specials Yeah, and that happened and then I was like well if I'm gonna keep doing this I obviously can't just go insane and just die and that happens to people in our space. Oh, yeah

They just go fucking nuts. I think it might have are you you're from here, right? Basically, yeah. Yeah, I've been in Austin for 15 years I think it's like the vibe down here because if you do this as somebody in a city like like you'd be fried because I think being in the city is like a Psi-op in and of itself, you're right So if you have like cuz the helicopters and the cops everywhere like the paranoia is cameras Down here. It's kind of like you know what they did win Texas yeah some of the people I know who are Alamo there are people who've like made a kind of career of it now for a few years and they're all in states like Kentucky or

Missouri yeah or you know what I mean it's not for city boys and that's not an accident yeah it's not just the background yeah it's the it's the lifestyle what was the thing that got you through it though like how do you fucking mentally get over all this shit coming down on you? Personally, my two cents, because he's right. Why? Because he's right.

When you're right, dude, you fucking win. When you're right, that helped. No, but you know, like obviously there's all these nights of the soul and all this doubt and you're just like, look, I'm fucking stupid. I don't even need to be the guy doing this. Yeah. At some point though, you realize like, well, I am the guy doing this.

That's what they're praying for, dude. Well, yeah, of course. You know what I mean? They're trying to wear them out, fucking loop them up. But I made my peace with that a long time ago. I mean, at one point I decided like, well, this is my opportunity to become like a genius. You know?

Because if I get out of this, I must be a genius. Yeah, yeah. You know, otherwise I'm just gone. So I just decided, well, I'm not gonna die die so I just read a bunch of books about like people who survived like the camps and stuff yeah and how do you dig out you just dig out you just go day to day you build a group you build ways of making money and you dig out what do you think the future of America is like not like 20 20 years maybe not not cool you think we're going for some war and all this jazz everyone keeps on

You were too lazy. I love the Trump one and then even like my most liberal friends will like admit that they're happy He won. Yeah. Yeah, that was kind of quietly just like I said that it's like when you're watching like a band that you love Go like weird albums and you're like like that's what the Democrats had to do Are we doing now? Bully's disco There's awesome girls out here yoga girls who would never have voted for Trump being like, yeah I'm excited about make America healthy again. Yeah, dude Yeah, that was a big win grabbing that whole like that team thing for him politically. Okay. I'm like, dude

Everybody feels good about from what I can see. So is there hope? Yeah, I would say there's two years of hope Before they pull the rug. You got two years of hope. When you're talking in the documentary, you're talking about like weapons of mass destruction or whatever, could you 3D print a grenade? I'm just curious. Oh for sure. Yeah people do it right now. I don't even know what grenades are. What's inside of them? Oh but again it's like it's okay you can't print the or you could but you're not going to print the explosive part. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so if a grenade is simply like the charge of the handle on the enclosure, sure. And they can't do shit about it. If they find it. Yeah, you know, like if I if I got a 3d printer, am I on a list? Would you take? No, I don't think so. Okay, I don't think so. Now, if you buy that 3d printer printer at the wrong place You're on a list. Do I get it from you? I have seen it. Don't buy it. Right, I have seen it. But you sell them. I do. I do. Okay. And that's already It's already a problem. I'm being sued in California because I sell 3D printers, for example. Okay. Um, so they're again at the state level

They're saying well, you can't if you're you know, if you're known for selling gun stuff Yeah, and you sell 3D printers. What are we to make of that? Yeah, you know you violated California law See, that's not legal though I know but again what I'm in court on your two on that one, right? Oh, yeah, so you got to find somebody to agree with you on that and in California You just die you just go to state court and you die for years, right? You know, maybe the Supreme Court bails you out All right, dude. So buy your printer on Amazon, right? Yeah, because if you look I've seen I have seen ATF intelligence documents I know they are watching certain websites and if you buy a printer a bunch of stuff. Yeah. Yeah, you're showing up somewhere

That's so that's art. That is a fact. But basis isn't fuck basis Do not trust that guy at all and then you were saying like so you just sent out the arc or what the Drive I'm talking I'm thinking about something else, but you just send out the hard or what the hard drive I'm talking I'm thinking about something else But you just send out the hard drive and people just plug that into a machine Yeah, we do that and these days you can download a lot of it anyway Yeah, back when in that doc I had to chop up the law a little bit Yeah, you know that was a trick and now I don't have to do it that way all the time But yeah, you can buy you can buy thumb drive. You can download it. You know you can get it emailed

I just think if the tech keeps going, it'll outpace the courts or whatever. What is the crypto anarchy stuff you're talking about? I was watching that. So that's a whole thing. That's so funny. I never heard about any of that's a meme from the 90s. Okay. Yeah, that's like steampunk or whatever the fuck that shit. Back when wired was wired magazine used to be like a real libertarian thing and it was

like yo the internet's gonna take over, you know, everything's gonna change, the United States is gonna be like. I remember all this Ron Paul stuff. I never got it because I was just working all the time but like anybody that went to college was like dude, Ron Paul, things are changing. I was like alright sweet. In case crypto-energy people listen to this, because I get invited to that, there's an institute in Europe for crypto-energy and I get invited to it every year.

Put your tie on. Jumbo shrimp. I speak. Yeah, it's like, well, this is the university of anarchists. But it's real. It's a real ideology. It's like a post-cyberpunk kind of like, okay, well, what are we gonna do?

We're gonna have digital money, and we're gonna kick the government out with encryption. And most of that happened, right? Because we're sitting here talking about Bitcoin being $100,000. You're still bullish on Bitcoin. Oh, all the way. the government out with encryption and like most of that happened right because we're sitting here talking about Bitcoin being a hundred thousand dollars you're still bullish on Bitcoin oh all the way and that stuff gets predicted by those people right okay they're saying like we're gonna be real internet money it'll be the hardest money ever and we're gonna write a bunch of code and we're

gonna kick you over mouth the internet so in one part it's like fantastically naive yes of course the internet is now the biggest way to own us you control us yeah and they did not that is not in the theory Okay, but in the other way that they're completely right, you know, they got they predicted Assange to predict WikiLeaks They predict Bitcoin and those things are bigger historical facts now than 3d printed guns. Have you ever hit up Assange? I've met him. Are you fucking serious? In the embassy I met him in 2018 in the embassy. Holy shit., MIA, you know MIA the hip-hop artist. She got me in. I love that lady with all my heart My buddy Amir too. I should say my buddy Amir was really close with Sarah Harrison. Now I'm naming names, but Assange is out of the game

Yeah, you know, it's like Assange and us worked close together Because of course we were trying to do the same things Yeah You know we wanted file standards for how to put the stuff the internet keep it on the internet You know use use file sharing services pirate bay things like that. We were kind of doing the same stuff And he was interested in the politics side of it. You know he was giving us intelligence too about how Governments were trying to stop it so you know you want that line with Julian Assange. Hey Julian. Yeah, you know what are they doing?

Yeah, what are they doing to me? You know is there ever like a point like in the movies where it's like you're this dude They come to you like dude just join the squad like you're the man just join the squad We'll stop fucking with you. You know what that moment has happened what the fed stuff Yeah, just like people like dude. Why are we even fight? That's what I'm asking was saying yesterday It's like you get to a point where they're like you either do this or you're done. Yeah No one has put it to me as like you're you're done if you don't do this Yeah, but I have had a couple moments now over the years and it's always it's never like you would think in the movies where?

It's just like hey, you know you got to do it But it's always brought through the right guy said said in a certain way done as an invite And I've said no a couple times and I always think back and I say like, you know, did I make a mistake? Right. I mean the IRS fucking cripple you. I don't want to not yet Now listen a couple years ago, I was like no more money. Yeah The more I say this stuff is gonna sound like I'm skit. So it's gonna just sound around conspiracy. No idea here You're sitting with it. All right, I'm a lo. So it's going to just sound like a conspiracy. There's no idea who you're sitting with. Is that right?

I'm a loony tune. Out of my mind. I've had conversations with people where I'm like, well, this happened to me and this happened to me. And the more you say it, people are just like, yeah, OK, man, yeah, you're fucking nuts. But everything I'm going to tell you is true. I had IRS special enforcement agents or whatever, small business informant, whatever they call it. Yeah. A couple of years ago. I mean, they were on me heavy during COVID.

Yeah. Because the word was out that we were, they were on me heavy during COVID. Yeah. Because the word was out that we were all making big money during COVID. They hate that. Oh, they really hate it. They hate when you make money, dude. And it's true. They were shutting down gun stores, traditional gun stores

for the normal restrictions. Yeah. Okay, and so then all the people were staying home. All they could do was buy from us. Yeah. You know? Yeah, it's pretty much like- Can you buy a gun online?

You can't buy a gun online, but you can buy a ghost gun online. OK, so your door dash, your dash went up. Chewie went up. This is why I'm at the Supreme Court. Like, OK, let's say this is, you know, you can't buy spring water online, but you can buy like 80 percent spring water. I was selling 80 percent firearms online because they're not regulated and giving someone a fun little hobby to do 100 percent joy. Dude, I'm kind of into it.

I would be more into guns if I made it. Yeah, absolutely. Instead of buying it and just being like, I don't know. Dude, that's a fact. Hope this thing works. And there are people who all they do is they put a couple holes in a piece of plastic and they're like, look at this thing I made.

Right. And I don't discount that. I mean, that's like, yo, you put your personality. Yeah. I see that. That's got a lot of personality. Yeah, dude. A lot of pizzazz. I've been seeing that for years. And they've done their

best to now knock a lot of that out. There's a big company that was in California that was in Nevada was called Polymer 80. They were selling like 40,000 kits a month. Okay. And this these were kits where they would sell they would sell you a box, mail you this box. It's everything you need to put a Glock together. Okay. And it was disassembled, disassembled. Okay. And you would just do a couple things. Okay? Maybe like 20, 30 minutes of stuff.

Okay, now you have a Glock. And this is popular in Philadelphia. Yeah, oh yeah. This is popular in Oakland. I mean, this is popular in a lot of places. And you'd see these people online talking about doing it. Yeah. You know?

And they try to put as big a stop to that as they could. What about the UK? Like that's a whole nother, like can of worms you gotta deal with? Are they like on your dick? Absolutely, dude, I say worse than the wait, you sell overseas, they're they're worse. Sell online, some things can go through this is a big thing. Overseas is a big, oh, I thought you like would be at least limited. I thought that

you got in trouble for exports or something. I did. I did. But here's the thing. That law is just like every other law. It only applies to certain places, certain times. Okay. So okay, for Canada, for example, right there, their government's melting down right now. Oh, yeah. All right. And I just told you, I'm gonna do Canadian radio after this. They're melting down worse because they've restricted all the traditional guns. And now people are going to just take kind of all of them. They just did another like three, 400. Yeah. Dude, if you start taking away the

gun is like, just when they come for you yeah the guns what you got right but they debanked those fucking truckers yep they those like that's a weapon big times and then there if you're watching your country like oh yeah dude no more banking no more guns like I would get the fuck out for real absolutely that would radicalize me 100% Canada's on top of those people man. And yeah, I see no reason to stay in Canada And you asked about the UK like I don't go to the UK. I don't go to Canada anymore Can you I can but it got real tough for me and I think I stopped going to the UK in 2017 maybe do you get fucked with flying?

Yeah, yeah, sometimes they'll do um, hey, we're doing passport check flying? Yeah, yeah, sometimes they'll do um, hey, we're doing passport check at the door. You made it all the way? And I've only flown private a few times, but they'll that's its own thing. Yeah. But like big money, though. Yeah. Yeah. But when I come through Heathrow, I just stopped going to the UK because last couple times I went through Heathrow, it's like a three four hour police interview. Holy shit. When you're there. What are the like, what's the government's doing to you over there?

And really trying to do and they got unlimited power over there. That's a problem, right? It's like a hangout over here and people are like embarrassed about they don't have fucking right see they got this thing They got over there now sections. They got all these terrorism laws over there Yeah, they use anything they want to you once you're there and like I won't go to Australia either because they got the same thing I'll show you Real bad and I don't I don't understand why though they're so spread out it's not a huge you know what I mean like feel like that that it would make sense they would be more free than us it's I guess if you think of Australia's

like four different five different governments they've got their own kind of okay like maybe New South Wales is real bad because it's urban yeah the rest of it isn't I don't really understand how the government works I just know that I get fucked with by Australia all the time I was listening to a podcast where we're talking about how like we have a militia we inherited like a militia culture Yeah, so the Canadians don't have it. So that's why they're so polite and stuff. Yeah, and it's like It's it's what we inherited from like the dudes that were Frontiersman and shit like that dude. I you're saying you watched out with me is what you're saying.

What? The documentary? Or the militia thing. No, it was like some podcast where they were talking about, it might've been No Agenda or something where they were talking about the different cultures and- Yeah, you were talking about militias on some Bitcoin dudes' podcasts, right?

Yeah, that's right. That's right. And yeah, Canada's completely skipped over that stage. Yeah, yeah. And it's got the whole French thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I don't know about you. Like the government. And it's got the whole French thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I don't know about you.

Like the government's not. They're knee benders immediately. They got the French problem. But yeah, like we, man, when I go back and read that stuff, we keep asking Canada to like join the United States and they never do. And so then we get passive aggressive about Canada. And yeah, the gun thing is included there.

I knew Canada, there's like the Canadian NRA Forget what it's called right now and I was kind of buddies with them back in 15 or so when they thought oh no We're gonna it's gonna be like the US everyone's gonna have guns in Canada. Of course, it didn't go that way But they just think they have a big gun culture But I think the point you just made is right They actually never had a revolutionary gun culture and so it was never gonna stick right same thing with the Australia, you know wasn't it wasn't the same thing like you had people out here in the woods who had to basically like I Have race war every day with Indians. Yeah And they're dead if they don't have that so that yeah that genetic memories going through lineages like dude I fuck dude

I guess thing like you're right about this cuz it's like Philadelphia was already established Wasn't the Wild West so like we're pretty like we have a's like Philadelphia was already established wasn't the Wild West So like we're pretty like we have a real like Quaker kind of thing going on But out here in Texas like they were still fighting the Mexicans in like the 1850s. That's not that long ago I don't know 100% you can go read some plaques out there when you go drive west It'll be like yes when people died here in like 1910 from some Indians died here in like 1910 from some Indians. You're like, what?

What? Some Comanche. That's all real, man. Are you trying to get into 3D print anything else or is it just guns? No. In fact, look, the print side, you can get bored of it because it really is. Imagine it's remix culture at this point. It's the same ideas over and over again.

I'm not saying that nothing new won't happen. Usually an activist at this point. Yeah. Like I'm trying to platform it. I'm trying to, and a lot of people are saying like, hey, we don't need your help, dude. Yeah, go away. You have done enough, sir. Thank you.

But I'm really one of the only big commercial parts, sides of it right now, so whatever else, I'll play my part, you know, serve my role. What's the most expensive gun you made? What's the hot? That I have made? The sold. Is there any ones where you're just like this is my fucking opus like everyone what you know What it ends up being parts kits like people want to make a case right so I can sell you a case the gun

Yeah, I've done If I you know if I sell you a Romanian parts kit and an unfinished receiver and the machine I mean we're you're in it for thousands of dollars. Holy shit up a little camp in Northern Ireland You start making Marmalite's You can yeah, you know you I mean you can so there there were years where we were selling kits and the equipment and a dude People some of these people are coming in for eight nine ten thousand dollars Oh a customer shit, you know and the margins pretty good on some of that stuff. So it's just metal And you're like something it's only

a handful of people who can even import the parts yeah because there's all these restrictions with the gun thing it's just so different so you just let people set up and be the importer you don't worry about how it happens you just repurchase from them resell from them there's so many people like that in our space and they just have a business in this one thing you would think is impossible to have a business in but but it's like anything else well if nobody's ever heard of like the kind of stuff you're up to like what would you tell them? Hey, man, this is what we're up to. This is why we're doing this dude. I at this point

I don't you don't even know anymore. I just like they're like, what are you into and I will often say a Bitcoin Yeah, right. I'm like a chelsea. I'm a tech guy in Austin. Yeah, you know, I just don't I don't realize this was like the Bitcoin capital Of the world. Yeah, it's a big I'm zero. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Unchained is here. You know, bunch of Bitcoin people from 10 years ago are here. That's save your ass. Oh, hell yeah, dude. Are you kidding? Really? I don't know how to run a business. And all the profit I've made, I've just

dumped into lawsuits. Yeah, like I don't know what I'm doing. So yeah, bitcoins most of the profit. Could you if you wanted to make an RPG? Sure. In fact, there's anything there's a Could you, if you wanted to, make an RPG? Sure. In fact, there's a dude. You can make anything. That's fucking insane. You can print anything with metal.

An RPG. Yeah, there's this guy. Well, it's because the RPG thing itself is mostly like a canister. Pretty simple, yeah. Yeah. And so, damn, I forget his name right now, but he's big right now. He prints, he's got a bunch of printable RPG type stuff. And it's not hard to find him.

In fact, he's got a doc out about him too, I think. Oh, really? Yeah. I guess it makes sense. Like I'm surprised that they're just starting to go after you with the school shooter thing and like all like they always go out there Smith and Wesson and all those big companies Remington. Like it is weird to have that Luigi dude shooting be the first one where they're like like real at least high-profile. Like I know it's happened in Philly. I know I'm for them, the push that out.

I know I'm like a skit, like I skits out on that, but like I watched that dude hit him. I was like, dude, this is a weird hit. Why is it on camera? Yeah. No one would, like it looked like a video game or it looked like a movie. And then when they came out with the Monopoly money

and the ghost gun, I was like, well that's separate from the hit. Yeah. This is a staged fall guy. I, you know what I mean? Yes, dude. I think that's the only intelligent response. And Nancy Pelosi's cunt ass is somehow stuck in Germany. Yeah.

She broke her hip and she just stuck in Germany and her family's cool with her. Yeah. Yeah. There's that weird connection to Pelosi, dude. Pelosi's brother who raped a chick. Yeah. See, it's hard for me to even, even right I see those Twitter threads I'm like I can't do that dude yeah yeah he stands there perfectly in this crop the video and

it's like yeah if it was a real hit yeah I don't think that would have been it was like for show is what I'm saying it's hard to buy and again it's New York City man yeah you're telling me this guy's gonna smuggle himself in New York City. Yeah get out You're not getting out and get out. Yes. Just I don't know you're not getting out in New York, you know CCTV everywhere Yeah, I mean Andy rode a city bike The other thing I thought of that was sketching was like dude There's a I know this is like a little bit too much like but there's been a push with all these assassination attempts to privatize security for like the elites and then

Leaders and shit like that. I know you mean and I'm like there might be something with that. Yeah, definitely Don't take advantage of it where it's like blackwater or whatever will come in and be like we got this guys There's ghost guns out there. Yeah, anyone can do this. It's a fact I don't understand though the timing that well because we're between governments Yeah, so it's like okay. Well. They've kind of clipped their ability to so I mean they're throwing everything I'm just gonna shit going on. Yeah, now. There's aliens. I just goes guns right. It's over like peak happening That's what the drone shit. There's a I think it happened or it is happening the 20th. There's some fa regulation They're passing a bill so they're just gonna make you not be able to fly drones anymore

I was I like I freaked out when that dude shot the drone down and he got in trouble Yeah, I don't understand if a drones over your house how you can't shoot it down was that on this last cycle in New Jersey Or something it was in Florida like maybe this definitely within this last you got arrested I can't breathe I can't breathe as a joke Definitely within this last you got arrested. I can't breathe. I can't breathe as a joke Try not to laugh is actually fucking hilarious. They were like dude. Did you shoot the drone? I was like, yeah And he's like, well you're under arrest. He's like I'm under arrest for that. Oh damn. No, I haven't seen it Yeah, yeah I don't whatever the fuck's going on, especially with the

Louisiana I would at least you can at least wash your hands of that in our fucking realm because That's just seems like the most psyop thing in the world. That's hard to hang out with like honest to God it could be as like Simple as they needed a good clickbait title the and just yeah, we just gone Like Luigi shot a ghost gun to a lot of people watch this this will get memed very well And we can try to yeah try to like at least profit off of this weird-ass fucking thing we just yeah I mean I read okay I see some new laws in Maine and some states and stuff but again it's like is that really what were they were going for

here like what were they the okay the press is like well what do you think was happening before this if they thought Kamala was gonna win Kamala's office of like gun violence prevention in the White House It did actually announce something in September and no one's talking about this which I think is interesting She was saying like I'm gonna do more to regulate these 3d files online I'm gonna regulate these glock switches and stuff that we talked about Yeah, she's like I got a task force and in 90 days is gonna give a report That was the end of September. So this could have somehow been linked to that Yeah, but then the deep state got it wrong because like the wrong person won

I mean they've been hiring you know too many trannies and stuff I think they're kind of losing track of everything I can put it on that if that's a hook But again to me just doesn't feel that strong. Yeah. Well, I mean we wish you fucking good luck like thanks for doing this We really appreciate it. It's fine. I had fun Oh, that's it. Yeah, that flew by Thanks, thank you guys. Yeah, what time do you got to get to uh?