WAR MODE - Coimhlint (Audio version)

Episode Date: March 10, 2024

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Video Fritier is coming to you from the heart of Corrigan and sitting here among a very impressive array of the electronic... Welcome to Warmouth. And a man was shot in these steps from down to the street. And my father was going to help him and the chef come with him. It was a local area for a way, you know. He put off and probably got a boss or a taxi. throw away, you know, you see. I'm fucking couldn't have got a boss that taxing out of it. The Vays you know what I'm stalled here.

Good luck, oh, how old are you? Hey. Pick up was me in the Columbia. You're a minute. Just match sticks. That's crazy. Like that was made in the Columbia Road, 1959. Just March 6th. That's crazy. But the least of those are all in town.

You know what the fuck is? You know what theyft is? These are the prisoners of war. This is nuts. Where is this place? This is in Derry? This is the Expo Museum. They got a, they have like a mock prison cell.

That's cool. They built all this stuff. The law and music. What's the prison? Long cash. That was mid-1994. My hitchblocks. Yeah, I mean I think if you gave me my entire life to do this with outside sources and teachers I don't think I could do it.

They learned Irish and I took Spanish for four years, couldn't tell you a word. Yeah, that is... Buena. Yeah, I mean, dude, like the painting and like the intricacies. How about my camera? Give it to me? You should hit up Spielberg, bro. You're pretty good with the camera, I'm not going to lie.

Focus Monster. This, I mean, this is a first round, right to the big screen. For real. Honestly, got out of there. Anybody want to give me money? I don't want to videotape for a camera the camera the camera the camera the camera the camera camera camera camera camera camera camera camera camera camera camera camera camera camera camera camera camera camera camera camera camera camera camera camera camera camera camera camera camera for the camera camera camera camera for a camera camera tape for a camera man. All right. Okay. He took a little trip across the pond.

Yeah, yeah. And it was crazy because when I got into Dublin, it was nothing but the Irish language on the walls. I thought it was going to be, you know, I thought it was going. What do you mean? I thought it was like like, where are you going? I totally forgot that it's another country. It's the UK, yeah.

So I was like, I'm going to Derry and she's like, you have friends up north? Actually said that? Yeah, that's nice. That's really nice. Yeah. But I mean, was whole life like that was her first time in Northern Ireland right? Yeah I mean the cool thing is that we have friends up north. Frank and Rosie, Leon. Probably the best family ever created. Yeah but it's because we got like I've always had an interest in this

stuff just because I've been grew up right when I was like 19, I started painting churches. Yeah. And all these guys were from Northern Ireland. It's crazy that no one knows about this and how messed up, like everything that went on. The weirdest thing is it happened, like, you explained me the one time where like dudes were in Northern Ireland, in Belfast, and like it's just another day by the wings is playing while people are having a war. Yeah, that's nuts. They, um, like Savage, Savage was born, right? So the crazy thing is that it's a 30 year war, right? It's a legitimate war.

Yes. It's not a conventional war. So this is all British, This is like British media control. Obviously, dude. Because what they do is they fray, they don't want to lose frame. Yeah. And the IRA, they're the good guys. The IRA made them lose frame. And from my point of view, they call it the troubles. See, it's all their name, they name stuff. Yeah, they're great with that stuff. Yeah, they're great with it. So they call it the Troubles and then, you know, it's a legitimate 30-year war. What if you, so, I'm sorry but I'm confusing this, but- I mean, this is, it goes back to like 800. Yeah, so that's what I'm saying. If you talked to these guys, you know, the history, you kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind the guys, they, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their their thi, their, thi, it, it's their, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a their, it's a their, it's a their, it's a their, it's a their, it's a their, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a their, it's, it's a their, it's a their, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a their, it's a their, it's a their, it's a their, it's a their, it's a their, it's a their, it's a thi. their, it's a legitimate. thi. thi. thi. their, it's a legitimate, it's a legitimate, it's a legitimate, it's a legitimate, it's a legitimate, it's a l. their, it's a le. their, it. Yeah. My history of it is, I know Savage. Savage was born right after they invaded.

Or he was born and then they invaded. Yeah. So however you want to slice it, they're living in their country, and then all of a sudden troops show up. And they're kind of against them. I mean, that's the craziest thing is everybody looks the same and everyone speaks the same language. It's everything's documented. And it's probably one of the least known wars if you're an American.

Yeah. I've never heard about my entire life. All my grandparents, my great-aunts and uncles, all from Ireland. You'd be shocked about how many Americans were Irish Catholic. So the British definitely want to keep thir their their their their their their their their their their their their to to to to to to to to to to be to be to to to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be their. their. to be shocked. to be their. their. their. to be th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. thea. thea. thea. toea. toean. toean. toean. toean. toean. toean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. And. And. And. Catholic. So the British definitely want to keep this away from America. Oh yeah. Because it actually ended up hurting them because America started sending over money. Tons of it. Yeah.

So anyway, if you start talking history with them, they're going back. any they're to tell any of these guys that are like actually Irish. Like we don't even fathom history like their their you mean? Like if you start talking history with them they're going back like I got to sit down Leon's girlfriend Emma set me up with this dude Paul and I got to sit down with him and he like hit me with I was like yeah dude just give me like a brief synops. A brief history if you can. If I was to give him a brief history of the relationship and the war and conflict between Ireland and Britain, I would say about 900 years ago when Britain had been invaded by the Normans, 1066 and all that sort of stuff, shortly afterwards the English ruler or a

king or whatever had some reason to decide that Ireland was too strategically placed to leave alone. They didn't want nothing really out of Ireland but they weren't going to let they're like a Spain get a foothold in because you know Spain was Catholic and blah blah and all this Protestant Reformation stuff and all that. So anyhow, so they got involved in Ireland and Ireland at the time had a kind of tribal nature, so they got involved in Ireland and Ireland at the time had a kind of tribal nature, you know where you had the four provinces and you might have had a ruler in Ulster, ruler and Munster in East and West. It was a fairly, well, semi-nomadic lifestyle and quite a democratic pagan type of culture. But then Christianity, to come in, Ireland

took to Christianity, the Protestant thing started to happen, you know, the Reformation. The politics of England then meant that Ireland was a strategic, you know, place to watch out for. So the English come in. And the centuries they got worse and worse and worse. Oliver Plunkett, you know, an Irish saint beheaded by the English under Oliver Cromwell, thousands slaughtered from Dublin, Rahada along the coast, to put the Irish, Irish tribal leaders down and then gradually more and more you know the English took over a society here and eventually planted in I think it was the 1600s planted Scottish people who were loyal to the crowd there weren't even really Scottish people that were, because some Scottish people who were loyal to the crowd. There weren't even really Scottish people that were,

because some Scottish people were more nationalists and Scottish, and they planted them into the north of Ireland, offered them land that they could plunder and take, and built industries up here, and built linen industries and shipbuilding and all that sort of stuff. So they got all the best of the land. Throughout the rest of Ireland then, there was their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, their, thoes, thoes, thoes, thoes, thoes, thi.. the. I was was thoes, thoes, thi. thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi, thi. thi. thi. thiolishish, thiolest, thiolest, thiolest, thi. I, thi. I, thi. I, thi. I, thi. I, thi. I, thi. I was, thi. I was, the, the. I was, theea, thea. I was, thea. I'ma. I'ma. I'ma. I'm thea. I'm thea. I'm thea. thea, So they got all the best of the land. Throughout the rest of Ireland then, there was poverty. The British were landlords and charging rent and all that. And this went on right up until we came to the 1700s and you

had the French Revolution, you had the American Revolution, there was a lot of revolutions happening around the world. In 1798 you had the Finian Rising There was a lot of revolutions happening around the world. In 1798 you had the Finian Raisin where there was an attempt at rebellion in Ireland, mostly by Protestant revolutionaries who, like France, like America, wanted to throw off the bastions of royalty. So that was a pretty solid synops. I thought so, but I mean, he's, so I did an interview with him. It's like thrown, I got to sit with the the the the tho tho. So tho. So he tho. So he the tho. So he's to sit, to sit, to sit, to sit, to sit, to sit, to sit, to sit, the the the the the the the the th, the tho, thi. they. tho, tho, their, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, thi, you, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, the, the, the, the, the, thi. You, the, the, the, the, the, the, they. Soo, they. Soo, they. In, thi. In, thi. In, thi. In, throwne. I's, throwne. In, tho. In, throwne. In, they. I's, throwne. I've, three hours long I got to sit with him so he's a prisoner from I got to talk to these guys that went to jail for being basically for being part of like the armed conflict like the resistance or whatever and

he's from later on so he went he was young when all this shit popped off and he ended up going to prison after the hunger strikes. Okay. So he has a crazy story. I mean dude it's just it's too much right now. We got another time. It's so sad. Yeah. To listen to this dude's fucking thing. But I mean, true. Jesus. It's okay. We're professionals dude. Anyway, that's what I was trying to say is, it's hard for us to wrap our head around something where they go, hey man, what's going on with the, we don't think like that. This situation you guys have over here and they're like, well 900 years ago. Some king went over to England and was like, you know, man, come on in.

Yeah. And I need to overthrow some shit. It is crazy because it's almost like a mini America America, thaaa America, thia, thia, thia, thia, thia, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, mini America where they are strategically placed and they like kind of can't be messed with if they're all together but if you split them apart you can do whatever you want with that. Well I mean don't even get me started on this is what the British do. Yeah the British people. They go and they find out they create sectarianism. They create conflict they create conflict. Turing the create conflict. During the armed conflict in the 70s, they came over and they forcibly had this thing called the IRD. They would use propaganda to disorient the IRA and to try to get the people to not be on their side. So the problem is you're not fighting the IRA. You're fighting

10 British intelligence. No, the British are going up against 10 to 20% of the population that they don't care these. These these these these these these these these these these they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they're they're they're they're they're they are they are they're they're they're they're they're they're they're fighting. they're not fight. they're they're they're they're they're they they're they're they are. they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're. they're. they're. they're they're. they're they're. they're. they're. they're not. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to tto the. to to their. their. their. their. they're their. they're their. the British are going up against 10 to 20% of the population that they don't care. These guys could bomb the living like they could just do whatever they want and they're still going to be on the side of the IRA. Yeah. So they have to create like terrorism in their mind. So it's a non-cate, it's not, it wasn't a conventional war. This was all urban guerrilla warfare. And there there. And there. And there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. There. There. There. There. There. There. There. There's. There's. There's. there. there. there's a quote. there's a quote. there's a quote. the the the the the the the the the the the their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. the. It's. It's. the. It's the. It's a the. It's. It's a the. It's not a, it wasn't a conventional war. This was all urban guerrilla warfare, stuff like that. Urban guerrilla warfare, and there's a quote from a dude who used to do sysops. So this guy was like a Brit, he worked for, he grew up in Northern Ireland. I can't remember his name right now, but I think it's Wallace or something. He ended up running siops for the Brits, and he's like, it was a war, it was, it, it, it, it was, it was a war, but it wasn't a conventional war. Terrorism is fundamentally a propaganda war that's backed up by armed conflict. 100%.

So this is just a new, this is like how, remember when we were talking about generations of warfare? This was like a new thing. And they used Northern Ireland as an experimental grounds for chemical weapons, and siops and surveillance. So they wanted to see how how much they could like push this because once once they send their troops in, I'm sorry man. Then the war gets hot. I'm really messing this up but like if you look into it they the British in their frame is like these are our citizens. They're sectarian violence we have to go put an end to it. But they send in their frame is like, these are our citizens. There's sectarian violence.

We have to go put an end to it. But they send in the paras, which is like, Who are that? That's like they're airborne. That's like their special forces. Yeah. These are their seals. Right. So there's like girls protesting and young dudes and they sent in the seals pretty much. The first first, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, their, they, their, they, their, their, they're, their, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their seals pretty much the first the first regiment powers or whatever they're the they're the guys that did bloody

Sunday oh okay so you've heard of this you too song yeah yeah they also did another one the year before or in that scene time period called the Valley Murphy massacre so they killed these guys are these guys are and these were civilians like they're wiping out civilians straight up civilians I mean this is just just the the the the the the the the the the same the same the same the same the same the same the same the same the same the same the same the same the same the same the same the same the same the same the same same time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time period time period time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their. they. they. they. their. their. their. their. their. they. their. their. their they. their they. they. they. they. they's these guys are, you know. And these were civilians, like they're wiping out civilians. Straight up civilians. I mean, this is just... It was really the terrorist at that point. I don't know.

Like, it's so complicated. And I remember I was telling you, I was like, dude, I want to do podcast. It's just too much. It's just too much. on like just little sections of it. Like what that massacre could be a whole thing. Guess what? There's actually a thing called the Troubles Podcast. It exists. Some dudes doing it. So check that out.

But they have, they sent in, it's like overkill. And if everything, if you're a hammer dude, everything's like a nail, obviously. You're out there, hey, geez. Jesus. But I got to talk to the guys that they ended up being in the IRA and the British, the way that we learn about it, these guys are terrorists. Yeah, but dude this is like honestly, I'm no I'm no like sympathizer for like Islamic extremists or stuff but like what other option do you got? It's either bend the need of some excuse me some evil empire or you're gonna have to fight against them, bro. Like not every terrorist, but like some, there's a reason these dudes have to do

this stuff to the British government. At the time, they were the most surveilled people in the world. So what the British would do is they would chill and they would watch to see, they were so poor. I mean, you can't even understand that poor these guys are. They're living in these poor sections of Belfast and the Brits come in and they go, the RUC's there. So this is the stuff I wanted you to kind of get a little understanding of. There's cops. The cops and they're the loyalists. For the most part. There's like a regime. It's a regime.

It's the British regime. It's a colony. We don't think like that. The framing of Ireland is, there's Ireland and then there's part of it is Northern Ireland. I'm not until probably two or three years ago. I thought, Northern Ireland is part of the UK. It's all out there. But you know, to to to to to to to they they they, they, they, they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're, since, since, since, since, since, since, since, since, since, since, since their, since, they're, their, their, their, their, their, it's, it's, it's, it's, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, it's, their, it's a their, it's a their, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, their, it's, their, It's all out there I have. But you know to them they're like they're since they're so close they're part of the colony. They're they're part of the UK like they're like

they are just like all the other British people right? So when shit hit the fan though they got this dude Frank Kitsin fresh coming out from Kenya, dealing with counterinsurgencies, and they land the Brits with this dude who just came from Kenya. Yeah. So, this guy's what they were up to there. Yeah, and the, when they see the situation, they're just like, all right, the, all the Brits come and the loyalists are sitting there. Here's all of our information on the IRA and the British go, yeah, dude, that's cool.

They don't trust any of the shit because they're coming in as the empire to the colony. Yeah. And they start doing their own intelligence and they start monitoring like if people, if somebody gets a TV, where did the money come from? If somebody starts getting like an extra thing of milk, right? Then the British are sitting there going... People on them? Or phone tapping? Like how are they doing this? Every British soldier basically became part of the intelligence. So that's military intelligence. Oh yeah, this gets into like, so you, like they want you to think like you're growing up, you're thinking about war. They want you to think that it's just boots on the ground, this tea. tea. the. the. the. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. they thi. thi. thi. thi. th team versus that team. Yeah. They try to create a Cowboys Indians mindset. This is the deal, right? We love those Hollywood. We all love that. It's simple. But they don't do, like especially the British, they don't do a war without intelligence. So the IRA to me at least is sitting there simultaneously playing checkers with the loyalists and they're playing chess with the Brits and it's like what the British are doing they play the long game. Yeah. So they're like dude

we're gonna take these guys out it's just we gotta do it and still look good. Yeah we got to get a good optics. It's a propaganda war. Yeah. So the thing that I like about this, the thing that always like interest me in wars and stuff like this is is is is is this is this is th th th th th th th th th th th th th thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus the thus the thus thus the the the the the their their thi their theate' the the the the the the the the the the the wee wee wee we're wee we're wee we're wee we're we we're we we're we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their the. the. the. theeeeeeeeeeeeeateeeeeeeeeeeee. theeeeeeee. the. theee the the the civil rights popping off. Why are these guys joining the IRA? You know? Yeah like what would drive someone to do this? And like I have some clips I want to play for you about that but they live in extreme poverty, right? Yeah. But at the time that the civil rights, it all that thooe that, that thi that. They looked at that and they were like like like like like like like like like like the thi. They were liked. They were liked. They were liked. They were liked. They were liked. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. th. th. th. thi. thi. th. th. thi. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. thi. th. that the civil rights, it all started out because we had our civil rights. So they looked at that and they were like, that's us. They saw Marlins or King and they're like, yeah, we can do this. So they start marching, and like the Brits send in the Navy SEals to shut it down.

This is what I'm talking about, it's crazy. It wasn't just a fire hose from Kenya and they were like, you're really good at counterinsurgency. We have some parades and protests come on down. Yeah. Right? But during this time, like, there's a merchant marine at this time. His name is Brendan Hughes. He ends up being a big deal. There's a bartender.

His name's Jerry Adams. He ends up being the president that are going to fight the war, them two get arrested on the Falls Road in 1973 together. But at the time of this shit pops off, one of them is on a boat down in South Africa, and the other one is chilling in a bar. So they're just regular dudes. But the other thing that the Brits weren't ready for is, you're thapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapap. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. that, that, that, that that that that thi. that that thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. thi. th. th. y. That's JV stuff. You get into here, you're dealing with some real intellectuals. That's what I'm saying, they're playing chess against. It's tough because it's like these guys get educated, they end up going to a prison. The Brits are really not that sophisticated. They round up all the dudes and then they put them all though. Yeah, it's like on an extreme no-fap in like Quanson Huts. With only knowledge to gain. Yeah, yeah. Probably

the worst idea of all time. But yeah, to frame it, like so the British, I don't know what their actual official story is, I know that there's like a thing, the loyalist kind of feel like they were under siege. Yeah. And I get that that that that that that that that that that that that that that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I get that I get that I get that I get that I get that I get that I get that that the the the the the the the their the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their their their the. You're not the dude that decided to like come over from Scotland or whatever. But the people that ended up being in the IRA, like they were so poor dude. And like it's tough to imagine as an American. We were first world, we were born in like extreme first world stuff. Yes. So let me play a clip for you from this other guy I got to sit down and talk to. So I got to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the too.coo. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. too. too. I. to. I and talk to. So I got to I got to sit in on a documentary being made by Jim Corcoran. Okay. And I. Shout out Jim.

Yeah. And I mean, dude, he hooked me up with these guys. And this guy you're about to listen to is Jim McCann. And these are just a couple of clips. They're probably, the whole thing's probably going to be in Jim's documentary. Okay. So I'll just play a clip real point. Right. I grew up in Derripater, believe me. I, I, I grew up as a child. My father was killed when I was eight.

My dad's dead over 60 years. And my mama was left seven months pregnant with five other kids. And we struggled. And one of the reasons we struggled was because of local money sharks, no moneylanders. And then, and that's just as we add on, the way we lived, right? At the time, most people on the fall, I loved across the way here in the falls row in the falls. And most of, most of people,

their husbands worked. My dad, dad was dead. The husbands worked, the husbands brought home their wages, paid their wife, put a suit on, went out the weekend. Monday morning he went to work and the suit went into the pawn until they got his wares and then they come out again on the Friday. So, and that, but, but, but my ma, because my dad was dead, my ma had all us, and she got these moneylanders, local moneylanders. And what the IRA done was, what the moneylanders done was,

that had my ma's widow's pension book and her family lands book, and on a Monday morning she'd go around to the post office and the moneyland was sitting outside the door in a fancy car and give her two books. And she went then and left her money, and back out again, and give him give her two books and she went then and left her money and back out again and give him the two books plus the money showed him and the interest and she never seen the books again to the following Monday and what the IRA done was they went round and put guns to people's heads give us them fucking books and don't go back near them people again or will fucking shoot you and they did shoot moneylanders who refused to listen to them. So what the done was in the space for a couple days

the verse he wiped out debt on the Falls Road just by the sheer threat of violence. So it's a lesson with anybody says, you, valence fucking works, but once it stops working, once you find the alternative, once you've created the alternative, you don't need violence. I mean, couldn't set it better myself, bro. Yeah, it's hard. I'm trying to juggle the clips here, but you get what I'm saying. Yeah.

They bring this in, they do internment, and the internment's great for the soldiers. And the soldiers make, there's also a clip of the soldiers. This is all from a movie called the Patriot game. And theynton's game, and they're they's they's they's they's they's they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. they's. they's. they's. they's. they're. they're they're they're they're they're they're they they're they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they bring they they bring they they bring then they'll play this stuff for the Britsit back in you know the mainland. We're being good. We're being good and like the internment's great because it really helps us like find out who the terrorists are and they do this thing called the Falls Curfew or like that dude Brendan Hughes I was telling you about. He had to go stay in some house trouble stuff, like that dude, that's a wild dude to talk about.

But what they do is they do in tournament, people start spashing immediately. So you're locking people up for under suspicion, bro. Yeah so then, and it's hundreds, it ends up being at least 2,000 people maybe, almost 2,000. And they take them thousand people maybe almost two thousand yeah and they take them to long cash it's like concentration camp and it's like Hogan's heroes they put them in like these they call them Nissan Huts over there we call we call them Kwanson Huts but they all say Nissan Huts really I don't know

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outhouses. So if you lived in a Catholic neighborhood, you did- No plumbing, no electricity. Yeah, dude. And here's the other thing. What was there excuse? Or they're just not given? Say you want to, they didn't have the right right right right right right right right right right Even they were watching MLK and all that stuff. They didn't have the right to

vote really. So voting over in Ireland is based on property. So if you are a property, a landlord, and you own two houses, you get two votes. That's insane. If you're a renter, you get no votes. But for centuries, the loyalists, the people that are loyal to the regime, that makes sense to them. They have all the money, so this makes sense to them. And then to the Catholics are saying, how are we going to get out of this? And that's the other thing. They always try to do this as like a religious thing.

This is way beyond that, dude. But, um, so they want to protest about this stuff. And when they... These are women and children protesting because they took all the dudes. And young dudes, but, you know, not all the dudes, but there's like hundreds of people have been locked up now. So now there's a bunch of young kids that are like, what's going on? Where's you guys took my dad? They're radicalizing kids. Yeah, so against internment they decided they were going to go march and there was a couple there's a bunch of like civil rights marches in the

60s but in the 70s when they march the parish shoot at them and they kill 13 people. Damn. So it's like a and it was like a shot heard around the world like the Valley Murphy massacre had happened like before but it wasn't videotaped Bloody Sunday is on video that's messed up. Yeah, so they really messed up like thi told their trucest their wartime atrocity I don't know what you would call it really and that's kind of like their 9-11 but the British frame it as like the the crowns like our boys were so the the the th their their their th th so their th so their their th so their thoy's their th is their their th. throwns are their their throwns are their their their their their throwns are throwns are throwns are throwns are throwns are throwns are throwns throwns throwns throwns their their their their their their their their th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. they they they're they're throwns are throwns are throwns are throwns are throwns. the. the. they're the. they're they're thrown is they're they're they're they're they're they're come on. This is there. I'm telling you, dude. The boys are well behaved. Because they want to do the whole we're the most moral army thing. Obviously, dude. But they're literally like Nazis at this point. But this is a concentration camps and rounding up all the Catholics. But this is what I'm saying with war. When it kicks off, you don't know the guys thoes the guys the guys th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. tho. tho. tho. thoes. thoes. thi. thoes. they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're their. their. their. their. their their. their their their they're th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. tho. thoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooes. their their they're they're they're their they're the guys that are going to be the guys to fight the war. Yeah, you know the stone walls. You took a bunch of people's dads. And remember, this is a propaganda war.

Yeah. So it's like you took a bunch of people's dads and then it's like, they're gonna go march. And then you shoot a bunch of people on TV. So now you got these guys. I'll play IRA. Obviously it's time to get activated. I joined the IRA because of bloody Sunday. I thought, well, and I struggled not to join the IRA, not because of, for any reason. But, we had just started to get into a sort of way, being like, locally affluent, you know, like, money in our package, clothes, getting out, going to get into a sort of a being locally affluent, you know, like money in our package, clothes, getting out,

going to dances, going to girls, when they got there. Whereas, uh, and, going to protest, and because I was having too much fun. Seriously and for the first time in my life I had money in my pocket. And I was a good close and I was able to afford, I was able to look after my family, my mother and my brothers and sisters, helped to look after them. And I was having fun, seeing girls and everything else.

And then the next thing, bloody Sunday, and you confront it with the life of your living. And you think, and you see friends getting lifted in the street and you see people getting fed up in the street and you think this isn't fucking right you know and it's not right and uh so wasn't a major staff to be the junior right at the end of it because apart from everything else all my mates were on it. So I think, well fuck I like them. I'm going to join it. I've lost a female, I've lost a rape female,

Kelton Action. And it doesn't stop you doing this stuff, you know. Like, it's, it's, I'm not trying to sort of build this thing up, but it, see being the IRA, you put yourself in harm's way every day of the week, because there's always a danger of fucking, there's a, have you ever come under fire? It's, it's fucking, it focuses the fucking main like you. Because the, and funny enough, see if you don't panic, the first thing that comes into your head is how am I going to get fucking head of her? Seriously, let's, see once you get

that there, you're sort of be home in the book like, you can't just, just... I surrender, I know, because they'll fucking shoot you on. You have... Your decision doesn't complicate it. Because the Brits of your own narrator and they've got you in your sights. They will fucking kill you, like, they tell you at themselves. It was tough man. I mean, I just sit there when Jim's making a documentary and like chomping at the the the bit the bit the bit the bit the bit the bit the bit the bit the bit the bit the bit the bit the bit they they they they' they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll fucking they'll fucking they'll fucking they'll they'll they'll fucking they'll fucking they'll fucking they'll fucking they'll fucking they'll fucking they'll fucking they'll fucking they'll fucking they'll fucking they'll fucking they'll fucking they'll fucking they'll fucking they'll fucking they'll fucking they'll fucking they'll they'll they'll to to they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they're they're they're they're they're to the the the the to the the the to the to to to the to tell you at themselves. It's tough man. I mean, I just sit there when Jim's making the documentary and like chomping at the bed to talk to this dude. All I wanted to do, I was like locked in.

I want to talk to this dude. He's saying wild stuff. Like when you're a journalist for the British, you pledge. the crown will go to the politicians do? There's this whole thing where like they can't, there's certain things that if you go to make, the crown will go, yeah, dude. No. Yeah, no, not right now. Yeah, it is crazy.

Like, all these kids were just getting, like there's nothing you could do. Like, like, that, like, you were saying, like, you're saying, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the... the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. shot. And if you surrender the people who killed all your friends and family. I mean, it just, from their point of view, it looks like they're taken over. They originally came to like kind of squash some sectarian stuff against the UVF. Yeah. And this is another thing with the trouble.

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There's no difference from when Kitsin landed, there's no difference to him. to him than the Kenyans. Obviously dude. And then like how, like what happens after Bloody Sunday? Well no it's just you know it's the IRA starts so Jim's just one of the guys that joined. Yeah. Numbers go up. Obviously. The boys get activated. This is what I was saying like all these guys that are just chilling could have had a normal life. Yeah. They get activated and now it's a full-on conflict and then you know their idea was internment they're gonna go lock them all up and what they did from at least from what I understand what they did was they created another like front for the war that was the prisons. Yeah so now they're fighting

and like I said like the British admit it it's a propaganda war backed by armed conflict so the Irish are setting off bombs outside but inside the war the war the war the war the war the war the war the war the war the war the war the war the war the war the war the war the war the war the war the war the war the war the war the war the war the war the war they they they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they're they're their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the I said, like the British admit it, it's a propaganda war backed by armed conflict. So the Irish are setting off bombs outside, but inside the war, inside the prisons, they're fighting another separate war. They're Protestants in the prisons? Yeah, they have this, you know, they have their own cages. So it's like cages and then huts. And like, you can watch interviews like Brennan Hughes where he'll break down like the numbers

of dudes and everything. Yeah, we don't need to get a nitty grin. That's what I'm saying, if you want to get it in that, but what basically what happens is they hit the prisons. Once they're in the prison, the British are like, dude, we can control them. All we got to do is take out, the IRA that's on the outside. This is their plan right but inside the prison The Irish are smarter It sucks, but they just they're just way smarter and they do they have their their ability to handle grit is unmatched

The pictures I've seen are they bring me to my knees bro I'm just I hate demo in like shitty apartments. Yeah those jail cells dude. I thought about it. I thou the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. the th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi thi their their their their their their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thri. thri. thri. thri. I's pri pri pri prison prison prison prison prison prison prison prison prison the prison the the thri. thri. thii. the bring me to my knees bro. I'm just I hate demo in like shitty apartments. Yeah. Those jail cells dude. I thought about it and if you do smear shit on the wall you probably could eat that if you're like you know like if you know I don't smell the bed you walk out of the bathroom everyone's. Dude it smells horrible like the wall. You think it's like food. Yeah I know know you're saying that smells like steak, but. The bones are their money. But they're chilling in there. And they can at least, they're living in the smell, say can handle it. That stuff must have stunk for those British dudes

to try to go in there and like deal with shit all over the walls. Like that's a mental battle you're gonna have they they told me that Jim reached out and I could talk to some blanket men. Yeah. I was like this is wild because. This is stuff I'm into is just from Savage giving me movies and books and stuff. Life experiences. And it's just okay here you go. Here's these guys. Here's these guys. I mean, I got to sit down with them. I to. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the the. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. the they. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the mean, I got to sit down with them. I don't really know how to explain this, but you got to understand that they were on a protest. A massive one. Because they had to make such a problem for the British, because dude, no one knew what was going on in the prisons. Once they're in there, that's Great Britain, dude. No rights whatsoever.

No cameras, dude. It's locked down. No rights whatsoever. No cameras, nothing. Like whatever goes goes. Didn't you say those boys were getting paid a handsome fee? Yes, I have an ad. Um, so like they, you know, they build this prison and they need, you know, they need like people to work it. Yeah. And, you know, even the loyalists and the people that live in Northern Ireland, nobody was rich. Yeah. Even the people, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the, the, like, like, like, like, like, like, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, they. they. they. they. their, they. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the people that live in Northern Ireland, nobody was rich. Even the people, like, even the Protestants. It was all relative. Yeah, you know, it's like the tallest midget thing. Yeah. But I have a clip, this is a commercial to be a prison guard. Okay.

I am an officer with the Northern Ireland prison service. Let me tell you about my job. There's lots of variety, like driving, using modern equipment, escorting prisons to court, but mostly dealing with people. I work with great mates and I'm earning over 80 pounds a week and that's for their overtime. The Prison Service needs people, people like you. Get them back. Send a coupon for me, you stay for it now.

Since 1971, virtually every adult in the nationalist ghettos had been arrested and interrogated at least once. Yeah, so that's just no big deal. They're just clocking in being good old prison guys. Hilarious, hilarious commercial propaganda from back in the day. But those guys ended up being the Blanket man's worst enemy. And they were fighting, those are the guys on the front line against the blanket men who are fighting a propaganda war, winning the hearts and minds, winning America.

So let me play a clip where Jim's talking about them. Okay. The blacket men are starting to die now. Because the British, when they were in the no-wise protest, the screws used to go in, all the protective clothes, non, breathing apparatus, and holds the walls down with this industrial chemical cleanser called Rackazan. And the host of Wallstown, then they put the president back in again, and the dump. And they told me that it would be like hard to breathe and they could always remember the smell of the problem. But it's it's an industrial

strength cleanser. And it just hosts the walls down with a purified cleanser. And they put their president back down with a pure, fucking cleanser. And they put their presents back in wearing a blanket, a white fucking blanket. And how them guys stuck that for all them years? I'm just, as I say, whether or not I could have done it, I don't know. I'm just glad, thank God I wasn't fucking tested. Because what they did do, the change the course of our history. Yeah, that's brutal living conditions in a jail cell. Yeah, I was shocked. I don't know why I didn't know, like I've checked this up before,

but I just didn't know that it was years of that. Yeah, well the craziest thing is like the like Chrysalis of this thing is us chilling in Upper Darby trying to figure out how to do a podcast on the Troubles. And then you managed to get on a European travel tour by herself and wound up in Northern Ireland. I said like the the the like the same the like the same to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the like to the like the like the like the like the like the like the like the like the like the like the like the like the like that like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like the like the like the like the like the like the like the like the like the like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, they... Like, they. Like, they. Like, like, like, like, th. Like, like, like, like, they, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,the dude John, Patty, Dan, it's crazy. You got to say, like at first it was just secondhand accounts, you got to sit down with the real dudes. Well, this is the problem, you want to go check out history or whatever, especially, you know, the regime writes this. You can watch all the BBC things you want. Yeah, you're not going to get the real news, bro, it's his story. Yeah. Yeah talking about but then before you went on this yeah I had to sync up the mic so I just played a clip I played I played I

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I'm just saying like, I send up... I send up... I send up the mic. You're fixated on this. Like shout out to you for that. Alright, yeah. Right, so basically what happened? About 800 years ago the Brits came over the Brits were the land of the Arries the whole island. From the 15 and 16 hundreds the Brits, the Brits, the Brits, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about their, about their, about their, about their, about their, about their, about their, about their their, their, their, their, their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their their their, I their their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I was their, I was their, I was their their biggest their biggest their biggest th, their biggest thiiiiiii. their biggest their biggest their biggest their, their, their, their, the Irish, the whole island. From the 15 and 1600s the Brits had plantations programmes, when they re-published their island was Scottish and English people. For the fervour of their families, their Scotland and England, kicked the Irish off their farms or their holes to put these people in. They ran their land back until the Irish took the Brits were stretched with the First World War, the Irish people formed the IRA and had a rebellion. They forced the British into a treaty, well the British said the Irish Republic look

off to themselves, but the British yelled only six counties in Ireland. It's only six counties in North, it's still occupied by the Britsits today. And the Riece the British today their today, and their their their today, today, today, today, today, today, today, today, today, today, their, today, their, their, their, today, the British, the British, the British, today, the British, the British, the British, their, the British, the British, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, today, today, today, treati, treati, treat, treat, treat, treat, treat, treat, treat, treat, treat, treaty, treaty, treaty, treaty, treaty, treaty, their, treaty, treaty, treaty, treaty, the British, their, the British, the British, the British, their, the British, their, their, treaty, t population here in the six countries were Protestants. They were descendants of the people brought across. So even the day of the Protestants that lived here, they all adopted themselves as Brits, and not Irish. So they were the big majority in the twenty-one. They called the Northern Ion. They were in charge but they misceneased. They discriminated against the Catholics reformed the IRA to get the British shout, with 30 or so years of a war we're not in a peace process.

There's an awful lot he couldn't tell you because he's limited to time. But what he basically said was a little chill. But in 1969, Catholics had formed the Civil Rights Association. and that's all we were looking for then was civil rates to be traded equally. So you had 50 years of misrule by Stormont, which was a unionist government, a Protestant Parliament for a Protestant people. When the Catholics came out peacefully to demonstrate onto the streets about all the things that was mentioned, or housing unemployment, they were attacked, attacked by the streets about all the things that was mentioned, are housing unemployment. They were attacked by the RUC and the B specials,

which is a paramility wing of the OUC. And people were just getting beat off the streets, and Derry and in Belfast, and then you had the rats, and the rats began. Belfast, people and Dary, Catholics getting putter of their houses and then the IRA then was basically non-existent and that's when the reformed and they got stronger and then the war civil rates issue then became the armed struggle back to what it had been

for the last 800 years and that's where we are today. That's that's that's where it was. It wasn't Protestant fighting Catholics, you know. I mean, there's a famous, he's dead now, loyalist politician called David Irvine. He was a member of the loyalist part of the group, the EVF, and he made a famous quote, if the majority had looked off to the minority... that that that th. th. the the th. the the the th, the the th, the th, the th, the the th, th, the th, th, th, th, th, th, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's, that's, that's, that's that's, that's that's that's that's that's, that's that's that's, that's, that's, th.. thi, thi, thi, the the the the the the the the the the the the, the thea, the thea, the the the the the their their thea'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'er, that's, that's, thate famous quote, if the majority had looked off to the minority for the last 50 years, we may not be where we are. He acknowledged it, the discrimination. And that's what brought us to, where, as we're saying earlier on, the British always referred it as the Troubles.

We call it a war of liberation. And it just, I fought it for 30 years there. And it had its ups and its downs, it has its, everything and with it. Now where we are the day with the good for the agreement, I'll just say it as a Republican, it is nowhere near perfect and there's nowhere near what I fought for. It just isn't. But when you were talking about your civil rights, like you didn't have electricity, you couldn't, you didn't have the same vote? No, well, like that shit was getting. It would have been my, was 1916 and I was 13, but my parents and my, my grandparents and my wage, it was all the same with them and you know the, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, they, they, they, they, their, they, s... And, s. And, s. And, s. And, s. And, s. And, s. And, s. the. the. the. was all the same with them and you know there was certain jobs Catholics couldn't get if you were a

male you couldn't get a job in the big you know the big industries like Harlan and Wuth the shipyard short in Harlan that made the aircraft Maggie's which was big engineering plant Catholics tended to be the meaningful jobs no like dockers no like working down at the the dock's unloading bolts or or aircraft the air air air air air air air air air air air air air air air air air air air air air air air air air air air air air the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th is th is th. I was. I was th. I was their their their their their they were they were they were their their their their their their to be the meaningful jobs, no like dockers, no like working down at the dacks unloading boats or labourers or the skills like bricklayers, joiners, that but nowhere near on the part of them, but they also didn't have a vote. And our schools was discriminated against like theirs. And like the universities here, the main university would be the Ulster. There's different ones now, but that I'm in very few Catholics would have made it

in the Queens University. So you have segregated schools? Yeah, they had segregated schools. And all the neighborhoods are segregated naturally? All the neighborhoods tended to go into areas and the tend to go into, well that's being Catholic. You know, every, every, every area had, the, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their, their, their, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, very very very, very, very, very, very, very, very. their their their their their their their their their their their their, their, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, their their their the neighborhoods are segregated naturally? All the neighborhoods tended to go into areas and they tended to go into, well that's being Catholic. You know, every area had a Catholic chapel, Catholic parish. Some areas were that big they maybe had two. So Catholic's tended to live around the same areas and go to the same churches and it would be the same with the Unionist, loyalists. to the same churches and it would be the same with the unionist, loyalist, Protestants.

You know, they like Shank a road to Falls. It was always like that. There was there was there was, there was lanes, invisible lanes grew from one district to the other, you know. And so we were brought up, we were brought up as Catholics, but we were second class citizens in our own city and our own country. And then when you marched and stuff for your rights and everything... When we marched, it wasn't just one march, I mean it was a big build-up. People think civil rates movement began in 1916 and it did. It didn't have begun in the mid-60s, it just gained momentum.

Now, the unionists, like so we in Paisley and that Houston said, they would like to believe that the civil rights was started by the IRA, it was about, no, no, it didn't. This was ordinary. And a lot of people don't realize it too. See a lot of the early leaders of the civil rights group, they were Protestant. People had seen themselves that this isn't right. And, uh, but after you had, you you you you you you you you you had you had you had you had you had you had you had you had you had you had you had you had you had you had you had you had you had you had you had you had you had you had you had their their. their. their. their. their. their. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. That. That. that. That. That. That. That. That. That. That. That. That. That. That. That. That. That. That. That. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That. the. That. the. the. that. that. the. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that after you had the parade's been attacked, the marches been attacked and then developed into rats and then the Unionists didn't

like this, loyalists didn't like us, they looked on, them Catholics shouldn't be on the street protesting and so then they attacked our homes houses burnt out. And we've done the tour you had them up by Bombay. Yeahto. And that happened all over Belfast. Catholics were killed, burnt out and it was basically the B specials and the I used to do it so I mean you kind of like cops. You had to fight back. The B specials. She said you run about John see when I was a kid in Lagonie I was brought up with Protestants. I did't know anything about Pratisans and Catholics. I used to collect wood for their bonfires. He used to go to their parades. And all my friends was Protestants. All my friends was Protestants. And as I was saying we'd only gas,

we had no electricity. They were down trod and my mommy couldn't get a job, my dad couldn't get work. But the next thing was when 69 came about, I was going to be laden. One minute I was a friend with a fellow down the street. And next minute he's trying to kill me and I was fighting back. I was wondering what was happening. And then I'd say that, when they started born in 19, was a 71 hour down. The longest born 300 houses in Arden, called Cranbrook, Farington, Felchita. And at that that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that that that that that that that that that that that that that thian, that thian, I thian, I was thian in Ardowardown, called Cranbrook, far and tunnel of Felchita. And at that time my mother, whose mother was a Protestant, lived in Cranbrook. My mommy went down with my brother and moved into the house while the houses was burning. And only for a young soldier, darned back in the day, they were burning their own houses, they were burning

their own houses, racked him so the Catholic couldn't go in. And this was just the start of my life, you know, when it was a jail. And then the next thing was, my mommy got the house, and only for a young soldier, he says, mom, you have to leave. My mommy I'm not fucking leaving son this is my mommy's house and I'm staying here because she was coming from Lagonel which was gas mantles no electricity into her mother's house which was electricity because the Protestant people had all the good houses and then after that and sadly one this is what changed my whole life was when the Brits come in and took my daddy out of house and beat the the fucking life of him, beat him and them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them them the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their they they they they was they was they was they was they was they was their their their their their their they they they their they their they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they their their their their their th thoo. thooo' the. the. tho' the. they're the' they're they're they're they're they're their they're they're the Brits come in and took my daddy out of a house and bait the

fucking life at him, bait him and put him into a lorry like most of the men in the street and tuck my father away and put him in a concentration camp. Didn't bring him through no courts. Says he was a like a tariff or whatever, an IRA, but he did they just lifted him, took him into a camp for four years and I changed my life and that that that that th th th. that's that's th. th. that's th. th. th. that's th. th. That's th. That's th. That's th. That's th. That's th. That's th. That's thi thi thi' thi' their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, but they just lifted him, talked him into a camp for four years and that changed my whole life and then that's when I got involved with a Republican movement called the Fianna, Fianna Cubs and then the Fana and then the Fana and then they're progressed into the Irish Republic. So you're just a kid. I'm a kid but we're kids but we're know what I mean? Yeah, right. It came to a stage when they talk all the men from the districts. See, we're taking all the men who are defending it there. Yeah, they're taking all the men out of the area, right?

So it ends up, kids, like ourselves, at 14, 13, was going out doing a man's job? Yeah, right. You're out doing stuff as a child. To attack your district and it wasn't colleagues and proud. The Brits, as Joan says, the Brits started all this. Then that's the way it all started kicking off. Then the new VF and all this. Because see everything Pottie said there. Everything the potty told you right up the he just stopped speaking. Yeah. He was only 11. I was 12 12 12. I to to to to to the district. D 12. D D D D D D D D D D D D. D. D. It was to to to to the district. D. D. D. D. It was to the district. It was the district. It was to to the district. I to to to to to the district. It was the district. I to to to to to to to the district your district your district your district your district your district your district your district. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. I the district. D. I the district. I the district. D. I was the district. I was the district. I was the district. I was the district. I was the district. I was the district. I was the the to to the to to to the to the to the to the the the to the district.A. I was the district. I was the districtthere. Everything the Puddy told you right up, he just stopped speaking. Yeah. He was only 11. I was 12. Darwin was 12. But we could say exactly everything Puddy said. Because what happened to Puddy, happened to us. We just lived in different parts. But that was the whole format.

That was across the vote. So there was like a system that they carried out. the guy did where I followed the... I. We. We. We. We. We. We. We. We, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I was, I was, I, I was, I was just, I was just, I was, I was, I was just, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was the, I was the, I was the, I was the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the th. th. th. th that was across the boat. So there was like a system that they carried out. You know, he ran about, like I did, where I followed the, the orange men to the bridge, on the 12th of July. And a clack bonefire up and down off York Street and we went to their bonfires they came the army. They're all changed in 69 with the rats and the gun battles and then the British army is brought in. But I mean people have this misconception the British army were brought in to protect the Catholics. No one. That's in all the documentaries that I was. The British army were brought in for the

Iron Fist to stamp their rule and decided with the loyalists and the Unis and very soon. Then months of them being here, people started to realize they're they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they to realize they they they they they they to realize they're they're they're they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they they they they they they they they they they were they were they they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were to to to to to to to to to to to thed theeared.ed to to tied to to to thed theeared.ed to theared.ed thed thied thied they were they were the loyalists and the Unus and very soon, within months of them being here, it started to realise they're here to put off down. They put off down, yeah. And we had to fight back and as Patty's case, he's only a kid, he joined the junior wing of the Republican movement, he learned what he learned, then he advanced as you got older, but still a kid, like, and he just said it lovely. He was a boy soldier.. We th, we th, we th, we th, we th, we th, th, th,, like, he just said it lovely, he was a boy's soldier, we were all boy soldiers. My earliest recollections of the troubles was, my, I was actually born in London, our family would flip back and forward. I suppose it was always around work, though work for my father.

Like, you know, if things were tight here, they used to go to, over to England, London mainly. So they did so. In one of their stays in London, I was born there so was, and things must have been good for them at that time because he stayed for about five or six years. And then they came back in 1964 or something so I was about six years of age and I've got the full London accent and stuff like that there. But the area that we have moved into would have been like a Protestant area so it was and it was all weird for me. I can still remember it like because I would have been going out in the street. You're looking for new friends and stuff aren't you at that age like so you are and I remember first grade. These these are kids my age were stopping me and saying, are you a Protestant or a Catholic?

And I had no idea what that was. I come from London, don't I mean, I'm going, what is it? And they're going, they're asking me to say this prayer. Well, my family were never religious, like, so I never really knew much about prayers like, you know? Is it a Marie? And they were asking you to say, they are father, prayer, but that prayer would have, for Protestants, the very end of it is different from the way Catholics said. They both say the same prayer, but it ends differently for each sort of religion. And I vaguely knew it and was saying it the way Noah had heard it. And that was getting me beat up at like six and seven years of age.

I was coming into the house, Graham, going, there, what's wrong? I was beat up again because of this prayer. What's this prayer? What's going on? Like you know, now you see that house that we lived in, it was on the old park road. It's still there. So it is. I could I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that was, I that's that was get that's that's that's that was getting, I could that was getting, I could that was getting that's that's getting that's getting that's getting that was getting that was getting that's getting that's getting that's getting that's getting that's getting that's getting that's get that's got that's got that's got that's got that's got that's got that's got that's got that's got that's got that's got that's got that's got that's that's that's th. I could th. I could th. I could th. I could th. I could th. I could th. I could th. I could th. I could th. I could th. I could th. I could th. I th. I th. I the. the. the. that that that that that that that house that we lived in was on the old park road it's still there so it is I could show you now there was three Catholic families in the one house we had three of there was three of us there they had a Catholic family on each land and that's it's tight and there was one toilet for all three families and not into that at all and no baths right so there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there was there was there was that is that is there there that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th th th th th th there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there th is there was th is tho tho tho tho thoo there tho thoooooo thoooo thooooooo that's that's that's that's that's tho tho was one toilet for all three families. And no baths, right? So there wasn't. There was a... It's it, Don, same line. No bath, no bath, no nothing. You got wife in the dam.

And because we were the, like, they knew in that Protestant area that there was three Catholic families in that house. That's where they would focus. See on the 12th of July, when they would let their bonfires and they all get drunk and they would be beating their drums and stuff like that there. Well they would congregate outside of that house because they knew there was three Catholic families in there, you know, and they were all night long, they'd be thing. Real quick, what is the, what is this thing where they do, like, what is this thing where they have a parade? Like, why are they doing, why does it, what does it have to do with Catholics? It celebrates what they think. They have a very simplistic view of history so they think. They think the Catholics, they their, th, th, their, their, their, their, their, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, what is their, what is their, what is their, what is their, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th is th is thi, thi, that, thathe. What is thathe. What is thathe.com, their, their, their, their, their, their, what is their, what is their, what is their, what is their, what is their, what is their, what is their, what is their, what is their, what is thathea, went down to the Boine River and I'd say Dracata out there, beat the Catholics and head of home. Oh so it's celebrating a battle against the Catholics.

King James wouldn't it? But the whole campaign at that time lasted four years and there's loads of state, but they wouldn't have a clue about that there. They know about that one thing right and that sounds probably you know I can't think of Ireland was James so what a lot of them loyalist like to ignore it is see King William of Orange or King Billy as he's known he was Dutch right now not that this this matters you know but it's prospected that he was? Now not that this matters, you know, but it's but it's perspically that he was homosexual, but that doesn't matter, yeah.

But he came the Ireland, he actually got the blasting of the Catholic Pope from Rome. So when he came to Ireland, and as Don said, that war was going on all over iron for foot, but this one battle, and it was on the banks of the buoy and it wasn't really a battle, it was more of a skirmish. It was pretty insignificant as bottles go with you know. They claim that the wallet, therefore total victory. So they celebrate King William Moran's victory and they celebrate it on the 12th of July. And the bonfires is just like a thing?

Yeah, I'm just in Kamadake, and they celebrate it on the 12th of July. And the bonfires is just like a thing. Every year. Yeah, I'm just in Temadakey, the Rebakeys. Every year is 1690. Yeah. The bonfires is more like, The party atmosphere, you know, they collect their bonfire, they all drink and the next day

the orange men who actually marched. The religious side of it. And, and the the the the the the the the the the their they, and their they, drink and whatever. And the next day the Orange Mail, we actually march, the religious side of it. And all over the north of Ireland, Belfast probably been the big one, the Barnes March, the Orange Mell March, they usually go to a rendezvous, which they call the field, where it's always called the field, no matter where it may be. It could be a car park somewhere, but they go there and then they make make all they make all they make all they make all they make they make all make they make their all make they make their all make they make their all make their all make they make their all make their their their their the and then they make all these religious speeches, but they're all No, Protestant speeches for Protestant people and if you actually look Half their mones that came along to that they're not interested in the speeches I mean, they're up on this Lorraine. There's no but they're all sitting partying. Yeah, that's what it is the last week that there's some of these stay looters that reckon there wasn't there wasn't there wasn't there's there's there's there's there's there's they's they's they's they's they's they's their they's they's they's they's their they's they're their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all their their their their their their th th thooeses' their their their their their their their their their their their all their all their all all all. I heard in the last week that there's some of these Stianotos that I reckon there wasn't

even a battle for the boys. It's a skirmish. That was a skirmish. I'll tell you what was a battle and you must have learned as in school. See, the mean battle was an ockerm and their compa. Thousands killed. Yeah, thousands killed. And they would like you to believe that's the way the Battle of the Bound was. Right. It was this big battle.

It was Gormish. We don't even celebrate Gettysburg. Yeah. But that's one of the most famous ones, you know, the man it was killed and everything. the statistics was something like one that was one and forty died in the bottle of wine one and forty you know it is crazy that the history goes back this far and that people still care about like if you're American it's pretty much everything starts at like 1776 and you keep chucking yeah that one bottle is that one bottle is that's their big, we were saying, that don't have a history, they don't really have a culture. That one battle, sort of make it up as a going on. Which was more of a skirmish than a battle, but nevertheless that's what they base, that's how the

Orange Order was formed and it just carried through to this day, you know, and everything that goes with that, you know, but it is dominance.. they they they they they they they they they they their their they their their their their they they they they their their their their they they through to this day, you know, and everything that goes with that, you know. But it is dominance. They, them parades they have every year, it's more or less dominance over Catholic. You know, it walked through Catholic. And a lot of areas. Yeah, they just want to walk through Caliades and all they're doing it just to get a reaction. And they were marched to it. And Catholics had they've their their tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho, and all they're doing it, just to intimidate you and just a, get a reaction. And they were marched out and not having no more of it, you know, you can't, you can't do that, you know. So in 69 is when it became an arm struggle. So that was when, what, like, what like made it change from just civil rights marching and, well, like, well, like, civil rights marching, and there's loads of film and funny and their and their and their and their and their and their and their and their and their and their and Civil rights marching and there's loads of film,

funny sir, in black and white. And there was a famous, what Catholics did manage to get in because it was starting to change in education. What Catholics managed to get in the Queen's University, which was the thing, and don't get me wrong to it, there was a lot of Protestant students

who weren't like their parents that sort sort sort sort sort sort see things and read things and an awful lot of those civil-edged students were actually Protestants, not to be confused with Loyalists. So they decided to have the bit March from Belfast at the area and as a wee village just out halfway there called Bontalet. Borntalent? And they were waiting on them. They were led by Paisley, Ian Paisley, and all his crowd, and they came armed, they had motorbike helmets on and they had batons and things. And they attacked the, you can see the film footage. Oh, so they started it. They attacked. They attacked. Blahs. It's all on on on on on on the their their their their their their their their their their their their their. It's all on their. It's all on their. It's all on their. It's all their. It's all their. It's all their. their. their. their. their. their. Bontoling. Bontoling. Bontoling. their. B. their. B. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. th. th. th. th. thole. th. thole. th. th. tholololole. th. th. th. thole. thole. thole. B. thole. their. th, you can see the film footage. Oh, so they started it. They attacked, the protesters, let them open and blood. It's all on film footage. And the Ramman had set made it to Derry.

But that was just one, that was just one march. Then you had marches in Derry. And then it was a famous march, but then the loyalists always have, the apprentice boys, which is a sa sa sa sa sa sa sa sa sa sa the apprentice the apprentice the apprentice boys of of of of of of of of of of the apprentice boys of the apprentice boys of the apprentice boys of the apprentice boys of the apprentice boys of the oilists always have every year the Apprentice Boys, which is a Seid organization to the Orange Order, the Apprentice Boys of Derry, and the Water went over the bridge right into the Islis Saeed of Derry, and you know, obviously Catholics were protestant and rats broke out. So when the Orange Member Paul back, all over the north, the RUC and the power of military group which was the B spices which was made up 99% of the labour brought in and they're firing tear gas and they're beating people and while that was going on.

And doing a lot of kill. Nice this on Belfast where I live, the new laws, they could see this. So cat just came out and supported them. But it didn't that it th th th the their their their it their it their it didn't it didn't it didn't it didn't it didn't it didn't it didn't it didn't it didn't it didn't it didn't it didn't it didn't it didn't it didn't it didn't it didn't it didn't it didn't it didn't their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their the. together. together. together. together. together. together. their their their their their their they were. they were. I. I. and supported them but it didn't take you too long out because your so-called Protestant neighbours like Party was starting the attack which party told you five minutes ago in Ardowan three whole streets started burning their own houses but Catli's written burn and then it developed into that so when the loyalists and the IUC was shooting across and the IRA was defunct then really, it wasn't very money, it had the reformed and more and more young nicest joined it.

And the big thing that was weapons or weapons was weapons, had very few weapons, but soon they got enough mate, you had to fight back and it wasn't so much you were fighting back, you were defending your community. And you had to fight back and it wasn't so much you were fighting back you were defending your community right and you had to be there yeah it was like a survival thing like you know the cause of a kill this all like they were so strong they were in Stranton like they'd born in our town they'd born Bombay street over in the falls and they weren't gonna stop like so they weren't you know full street loads of people were being more and they were being aided by the police by the police stations throughout the world including America and Europe were coming to Belfast and they were filming this and then and then the British Prime Minister at the time he made the decision

the San and the British Army is a peacekeeping force. And initially in Larianate, Catholic various, welcomed them in. They were welcome, people was making them tee-in-off. I read in this book that they didn't get paid for, they got paid for peacekeeping, they didn't get paid for battle. As Puddy has said, and initially they came in, well, they were brought in as so called peace, and Catholics did well come in. But as Puddy said, didn't take them too long as in the fire, was dragged out, taking away on it an armoured lorry, putting long cash for nothing, no evidence against them. And that happened over the earth. No nothing, just lift it, took away.

And what's long case? As the concentration, long caes, it's up the old motorway, big famous prison, eight splashes in it, so long tasks. It used to be a second World War, R.A.F. Airstrip so it did. So they were able to quickly convert it into a concentration camp and the Nissan butts and stuff like that that the RAF guys would have slept in and Oh they clots, yeah, yeah, no those round, car get it, yeah, they got, they just put a perimeter of barbed wire around it and stuff initially and just started putting everybody into that like. Yeah, they expanded his ears. That's the way the Germans did them build their their cultured thing in opposite. It was based on the second world world world world world world world world the second second second second second second second second second the second their their their their their their their their their. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. their. their. their. their. th. th. their. their. their. th. th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.................................................................................... the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. the way the Germans did, then they'll build their cultural thing in, I was it. It was based on the Second World War, yeah. Cusin camp.

Yeah, right. I can remember my father saying to me, whenever in 16 A when the British army did come in, a lot of Catholics did welcome them, you know, and you would have got women, would have seen women going to the corners where a lot of British soldiers would have and their their their their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, their, their, their, their, their, their, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, their, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, their, yeah, their, yeah, their, their, yeah, yeah......... Yeah, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their. And, their. And, their. And, their. And, their. And, their. And, their. And, their. Yeah, their. Yeah, their, I. Yeah, yeah, yeah seen women going to the corners where a lot of British soldiers would have been with tray as a tea, sandwiches and stuff like that there, you know. And my, my father saying to me, they shouldn't be giving them tea and sandwiches. Right. And somebody saying, why's that there? He says, it's not going to be too long until they're killing us. So they were there to protect protect to protect to protect to protect protect protect protect protect protect protect protect protect protect protect protect protect protect protect protect protect protect protect protect protect protect protect protect protect protect to protect to protect to protect to protect to protect their their their their their their their their soldiers. their soldiers. their soldiers. their soldiers. their soldiers. their soldiers. their soldiers. their soldiers. their soldiers. their soldiers. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. We. their. their. We. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. theto be too long until they're killing us. So they were there to protect you guys from the B specials? That well, a lot of a lot of Catholics sort of seen it that way in the beginning but as John said it quickly changed. Right, right. So it did you know when you really and you're seeing really what the word are there for like you know.

They weren't here to protect us they weren't here to keep the peace, they were here to put a stump British rule in Ireland. Before too long you could see that things like, there's parties just one man, his father, it happened right across the north and then you had internment. And then therefore young Catholics like ourselves weren't sitting back and taking it it no more. So therefore when the IRA was formed and the IRA was always there but they weren't the strong and it all across the north of Ireland young Catholics just flocked to joint and then when weapons was brought in it just became a totally.

And then when you think about it John, you think about it, see when we were kids, we were fading an elitist army. You're the tap-tap-tap-natch army. And we fought there be a fucking standstill on the streets. Up close quarters, like, you know, and as small, wea, is like, the new laws, like, John, everybody was in the same boat. So in 1971, because of that much up race, the area, the area, the area, the area, they they they they, they, they, they, they were, the air, the air, they were, the air, the air, the air, the air, the air, the air, the air, the air, the air, the air. they were, they were, taport. taping, taping, taping, taport. taping, tapaping, tapapaping, tapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapap, tapapap, tapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapap, tapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapes, tapes, tapes, tapes, tapes, taping, taping, on, taping, on, on, were, on, were, on. tap, on. topseded, on, on, on. topsed, on, on, on. taping, on. taping, were, were, were, was in the same boat. So in 1971, because it was that mud shop rest, the IRA was having great success against the British army, the Prime Minister Norlin and was still a unionist, they still had a parliament, and it was Forkner, Brian Faulkner. He then had it within his power to introduce

internment, what meant where they could go to your house and arresting, like police father did, put you in an internment camp, which was law in cash. So all over the north there's four or five hundred arrested. So it was legal. And because, because there's no set charges against them, just in order to say that they believed that you were an IRA man and they had to write the attorney but they remember the IRA's fighting them too so those IRA volunteers getting captured, no weapons and stuff. So they were getting put in the criminal or prison on remand and then when they got sentenced you know if they got five years, they're supposed to wear the prison uniform. So by about in 1872 their courtmanner they were up to to to maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe to to be up up up up up up up up up up to be they were up they were up to be they were up to be they were up they were up they were up to be their they were up to be they were to be they're their their their they their they're they're they're their they're they're they're they're their they're their they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they their their their their their their their their their to their to to to their to to their their their to their their their their their their their their their their their their their they're supposed to wear the prison uniform. So by about

1972 their cut them and only were up to maybe 80 to 100 IRA volunteers in Cremlin Road prison. Many of them sentenced, so they decided that they would launch, they weren't criminals, they weren't going to wear the uniform. So they launched a hunger strike. Now that hunger strike lasted 30, so, just over 30 days or so. And the British government ended up giving in and granting what they called special category status. So what that meant?

We would call a political status. So what that meant then? Because remember, these men were arrested under special laws, the one through special courts. So why would we mean that special? So because Long Cash was already operating outside of Belfast as an internment camp and these Nissan Huts could be built dead quickly. They decided that they would move all the Republic and loyalists because they got a two even though it was

us that launched the Hunger Street. They were all moved down to Long Cash and we would call them the cages, the British would call them them them them their their their their their they they their they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they their their they their they they they they they were they were their their their they were they were they were their they were their. They were they were their. they were their. their. they were their. their. They were their. their. They were their. They were their. their. their. their. their. their. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the. We were s. We're the. We're thoe. We're thoes. We're they're they're their they're their their their their their their their the Hunger Street. They were all moved down the long cache and we would call them the cages, the British would call them compounds, they were segregated into whatever organization that was an IRA compound, a loyalist UVF compound or a UDA compound and all them years went on, they were fined themselves, they got barred that became like, basically the University of Freedom. How did it? Because you had your own clothes, you had your own command structure, you did everything you can, yourselves. But by about 1974, the British realized, you know, to try and defeat the IRA, as long as we have an internment and these guys that have been classed as political prisoners, we're not going to win this war. So what we have to do is change our tactics. th th th th th th th thi, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you that that that that that that that that that that that that that, you did that that, you did that, you did that, you did that that that, you did that, you did that that that that that that that that that that, you did that, you did that, you that, you that, you that, you th, you th, you th th th th th th th th th th th th thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that thi, that that thi these guys that have been classed as political prisoners, we're not going to win this war. So what we have to do is change our tactics and then they devised

this plan called Ulsterisation. And what Ulsterisation meant was throughout the world, there a lot of people that was known as the armed conflict in Ireland, with the British always called it, which I said, they're the troubles, Catholic and Protestant. their, but, but, but, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, was, their, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, their, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was their, was their, was their, was their, was their, was their, and their, and their, and their, their, and their, and their, and their, their, and.a.a.a.a..... their. their, and. their, is. their, is. their, is. their always called it, which I said, they're the troubles, Catholic and Protestant. So they had to change opinions, so they brought in Ulsterisation, but for Ulsterisation to work, they had the end, the special category status. They had to try and label us as criminals. But they couldn't do that as long as there was internment. So what they did was they ended in tournament, all the attorneys started getting out. They drew the IRA and the ceasefire at 1975, but it was all smoking muris. So secretly while they ended in tournament, they were building the H-blocks,

and then they brought in their all-seriation plant. The RUC, the out, the bishbags at this stage had been disbanded. And what the form that it was, the UDR, which was the Ulster Defiance, which is just the same thing really. Right. But these were battered. Now, the Ulsterization policy for the work, they had to end in tourment, they had the criminal criminal criminal criminal criminal criminal criminal criminal criminal criminal criminal criminal criminal criminal criminal, their work, they had to end in tournament, they had to decriminalise the IRA in their war, they also had to try and withdraw the British army who patrolled all the nice-nestries, put the RUC to the front line to make them about, this was a police force fain crime. And then to make it normal, they're trying to distract Catholics from supporting the IRA. We'll give them a better life normally.

So they started building these leisure centers with swimming pools. Then all our old districts were all old houses. They started knocking them down and building new houses where you had bathrooms, but it was all designed against us. So March the 1st, 1976, all the attorneys are released. The RUC had been retrained, rearmed. They're now been pushed to the front lane. The British Army has been brought to the back lane.

Ulster Aisation is in full swing, but to make it work, they had to criminalize the IRA, and the criminalised their prisoners, which was us. So in 1976, the Whiff drew special category status, which meant if you were captured off to that date, you were classed as a criminal. Then they started using words in the media like godfathers, gangsters, tariffs. They're real good at propaganda. Yeah yeah the British is a bad ballot as we're all getting captured. Well it's essential that you demonise whoever you the target is like you know so you know I think a lot of people to us like you're saying earlier about an America to talk about here and the tyers and stuff like that. Yeah they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. they were. they were. they were. they were. they were. they. they were. they. they. they were. they were. they were. they were. they were. They. They. They were. They were. They were. They were. They were. They were they were they were they were they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're're saying earlier about in Amariga they talk about

here about terrorists and stuff like that. Yeah, you're like OG terrorists, all the movies like devils in and all that stuff. There's a misconception there, I mean what the idea of a terrorist is no conjures up in your head. But here in Ireland, um, you have entire families moving into the IRA. Entire families? Like my own family. Even my grandmother was in the IRA. What do you do just like pledge or something? Yep. Cool. You've got my father, my uncles, my cousins.

So how does that happen, like you know, this, how does something occur where everybody goes to sleep one night, wakes up the next morning and an entire families go not part of brilliant idea here? Let's all join the hour, eh? You know, brilliant. So how does that happen like you know? And it's another point is that it's like it's all caused that? Yeah you found here, you found here for like, nobody tells you to do it, you found here. Don's whole family practically tell them all in a woman. To us, my family was a way of life. I could say the same with my family. I'm plenty to say that that that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's then has then has then has then has then has tho tho' tho' tho' that's that that happens happens that happens that happens that happens that happens that that happens that that that that that that happens happens in a woman. My family was a way of life. I could say the same with my family.

Yeah, same life. I'm funny to say the safer house. So you multiply it right across. It must have been terrifying for the British. Right across the North. And you necessarily didn't actually have to be in the area. People who supported he. You know. And we wore a movement. We wore wore an army and it was an armed struggle I mean we weren't terrorists we weren't criminals we weren't doing it for game you know we were doing it for survival then if you're a country job I mean if you're an American it's just yeah car bombs oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah yeah but what would Americans do in the same situation same thing I mean I'm with you yeah yeah it's like calling an indian a terrorist the they? Yeah? Oh the the the they they they? Oh they they they's they's they's they's they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're not they're not they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're their their their they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they their their their they're what would Americans do in the same situation same thing I mean I'm with you yeah it's like calling an Indian a terrorist yeah right you have the fight there's only one way you can do it as a

gorilla movement is the fact like that we can't go straight face so I'm I'm not able to see one of the most there's loads of books and documents but it and you must have been an American said and you've some of the most, there's loads of books in Dagraman, you must have been an American sitting somewhere along the line it's been in your history and toes. Oh we learn that big time, yeah. Well, the British were the redcoats. But if you read the atrocities that they did rate of courts, the parts of America the occupies, the baheatings, the burnings, the chopping of hands off. I mean, we were already doing that in Ireland and throughout the world, throughout their colonies, you know.

But also, you see the Americans who fought back that organized themselves into vigilante groups and obviously some states were more successful than the other? Equally, when they captured the Brits, and they were, and that was their, and the their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, their, their, their, their, their, were not their, their, their, their, their, were not their, their, were not their, and were not the other. Equally, when they captured the Brits, and that wasn't all just British soldiers, obviously their families and the ones, you've got your version of the Ulster Scots, so on the American said they were committing, you know, maybe crimes as well, because they were fighting fire, we're fire. Yeah, right. That's the very nature of that table warfare, you know, a red coat that walked onto your family's farm and hung your father and burnt your mother in his house. He's like fighting for honor and peace and freedom. You survey that and you fight back and you catch him and you do the same in him but you're a terrorist.

Yeah, you're terrorist. You see him of Cromwell, back in the day, he brought to the whole chapel full of women and kids and burned a whole let them. And then they done it up were in Lisbon. Forget what thing, what thing I happened there, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, their, their, their, and all, their, and all, and all, their, and all, and all, and all, and all, and all, and all, and all, and all, and all, but, but, and all, but, and all, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, their, their, their, their, and, their, their, their, their, their, they..a, they.a, they.a, they.a, they.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a, they.a, they.a, they.a, and then they done it up were in Lisbon. Forget what time, what thing I happened there, but they burned the priest and all out in Lisbon sometime. Oliver Cromwell is probably the most famous of the Ma. Oliver Cromwell came to Ireland. That was him that hatched the plant. Get rid of their language, get rid of their culture, the war in of the green,

get rid of the religion and just mom and woman and child. And then you remember, at this stage, England had an empire and a lot of people don't realise this. Slavery is a terrible thing, isn't it? Slavery. See the four slaves, they didn't come from Africa. Yeah, right. Over 50, th th th th th th th th th th, th, th, th, th, th, th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th that th that that that that that that that that that that that that that that's that that that's that's that's that's that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that, their their that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's thlavery. See the first slaves, they didn't come from Africa? They didn't. Over 50,000 men, women and children were transported from Ireland to the British colonies, Australia, Irish for the first slaves. Even to this day, I'll give you a wee example. To this day, and what they did was see, particularly the men and women, see when they brought them out to Jamaica and all those other countries that, Ireland's, people tend to have fur skin, the burnt these.

So the cross bred them with Jamaicans and whatever. To this day, you will see Jamaicans were green and blue eyes. There's actually a guy from Jamaica. He plays his football in Europe for like Inter Milan. He's Jamaican. So he plays for the Jamaican team. Look at his name on the back of his shirt. Potty, Murphy. And he's from, because a lot of the captain you. So one of saying is the first slaves were Irish. There's a good book on it, pick it up if you can. You call it to. to. Go on back back. He. He. He. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their. He. He. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. te. te. te. te. It. tole. It. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. There's a good book on it, pick it up if you can, you call it to... To hell or Barbados. Okay, alright, yeah. And what was classed as hell in Ireland during Cromwell's time was they put you across the

Shannon River into the west where it was said that there wasn't enough soil for to bury him on nor even enough wood to make him a coffin. So it was class that we were putting as hell as barbara as a slave. That gives a great account of a lot of people don't know that there that the Irish were the first tree. Don, what's it? About the oak trees? Ireland't know that there that the Irish were the first tunit. It's about the oak trees. Ireland was full of oak trees and the fucking tuck a lot made their ships. The hell are conic, this one's Barbados. It's either two Barbados or Hale or to hell or Barbados. So it is. It only gave out a couple of years ago and a lot of people seen us say they're, geez,

never knew that, you know. There's lots of things I didn't know about my Irish history. I never learned, we never really learned Irish history, we learned like British history. And then we learned, you're getting the wrong from the wrong shade. Yeah, and then we get, like I found out when I started looking in all this stuff, I was talking to some older people in Philadelphia and they were like, oh yeah, when Kennedy got elected, they marched against him in Philly, they marched down the Parkway, which is like our big drag, and they protested outside the Basilica. So we have a big like Basilica in Philly and like people, all the Protestants in Philly, they didn't want to have the Pope take over the United States..... And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, they started, they started, they'd, they'd, they marched, they marched, they marched, they marched, they marched, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they. And, they. And, they, they, thi, they started, they marched, they marched, they marched, they marched, they marched, marched, they marched, they marched, marched, they marched, they marched, marched, they marched, they marched, they marched, marched, they marched, they marched, they out because they didn't want to have the Pope take over the United States or whatever but that's... It was the same here I didn't really

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but we wouldn't. So we refused to wear their prison uniform. We refused to be recognized by our prison numbers. We refused to do the prison work. So therefore, their tactics was the lack us up in cells, which was the H-blocks. 24 hours a day, seven days a week. And we were at their mercy, you know, because there was no CCTV cameras in the H-Blocks. There was no, as we became known as blanket men, they called the Strigars. Hence the craze in the 70s and it's begun in the Marague these guys running down the street. Is that where we get Strikers from?

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with a fucking house, leave the child alone, you have them fucking- See they were like getting hammered and fucking with you. They have a pub. They're beating the fuck. They had a bar in the jail. Right, so the next thing is, oh they're the bar in the jail. So the next thing, see when he started shouting, he started buying a door with a pacepat, right? And the whole wing went and they left the cell.

But to me, that night, I was downeded, the cell. But to me, that night, I was dying. So that stuck with me the rest of my legs. Because you can imagine the psychological damage that was the thunderhouse. But no the crack was too, John, it just didn't rack me. Because I'm unknowingly stupid, I shouldn't have said at them. I got a visit for the fifth day. And when I went down to a visit, it was only me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me, the rest me, the rest me, the rest the rest the rest the rest the rest the rest the rest the rest, the rest, the rest, the rest, the rest, the rest, the rest, the rest, the rest, the rest the rest, the rest, the rest, the rest, the rest, the rest, the rest, the rest, the rest, the rest, the rest the rest the rest the rest the rest the rest the rest the rest the rest the rest the rest the rest. I got a visit for the fifth day and when I went down to a visit it was only me and my dad and if every fucking screw in that jail wanted me everybody wanted a piece of me and I was sitting there and I

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And our numbers really over them fact it never Monobo no more than 350 at the same time there was Republicans like us our comrades who couldn't do the protest for different reasons. Guys broke psychologically. Oh yeah, I would have broken in a fucking one minute. And guys left for different reason, apart from, and we were star, we were all like rations, starvation, guys had madigal problems. Fate everything, everything you can think of that. But we held on, we held on, and then the brutality in the H. Black which is very well documented

because it happened every one of us. And we, the only thing we had to fight back with was our bodies. We're already doing that by refusing to bow in the uniform. So the hat is locked up 24-7, 7 days a week and at one of the half of six two men. John can I just come in you. Because John he just missed it. See at a, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, the the the the the the the the the the to, to, to, to, to, to, the the to to to to to to to to to to to to happen, to to to to to to, to, it, to, to, to, to happen, to, to happen, to happen, to happen, to happen, to happen, to happen, to happen, to happen, to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the one, the the the the the their one, their one one, they one, they one, they one, they one one, they one, they one one, they one, the one, the one, the one, the one, the. Nah, I saw the cell. Two men. John, can I just come up, I'm not got two humming on you. Because John, he just missed it. See, at the start, when I went on the blanket in 76, the care and you didn't was the same. See when I was leaving my cell,

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door. It's a big fucking water with me story, we can all say the same. It was every opportunity to demoralise you. I mean, the fact that you were naked and so that protest went on and then even when they allowed us one shower a week and it lasted about two minutes but as Pottie was said, every timetime you left out sale you were getting the baiting so we decided then enough's enough we have to do some to stop this so therefore our staff under the leadership of Brendan Cuse the dark and Bobby Sons who later died in hungers like hatched a plan right first of that's the way they are treating us and we only got our buddies to feed back we're refusing to go out and get washed because because because because because because because because the w w w w w. their to their to their th. they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they're they they they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they's enough enough enough enough enough enough enough enough enough enough enough enough enough enough enough enough enough enough enough enough enough enough enough enough enough enough enough enough. they they's enough. they they they they they they they they're they they're they they're they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to to get to get to to get to they're to they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they all they're treating us and we only got our bodies to fight back. We're refusing to go out and get washed because we're getting bait. Hence your hair started

to grow. Plus one day is drawn. Initially the brought around basins of water for you to wash yourself and not only lost it a few weeks and cold water but an inch of water and then it progressed to say that it's extreme and we never wanted to do this. I was only one day's drawn first. We weren't brought up like this, most of us had nothing but we were brought up to be clean. They said that then we would launch what you called the no-wice protests. We would just refuse to go out and get shard washing ourselves and remember you couldn't get out to go the law, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, to, th, to to tho, th, th, tho, tho, tho, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was th.. And, was th. And, and th. And, and th. And, and thi. And, and thi. And, and thi. And, and thi. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, toge. And, togu. And, was, was thi. And, was, was, washing ourselves. And remember, you couldn't get out to go to the Lou, you had a chamber pot, so we decided, well that's the way it's going to be. What we do in that chamber pat's going on the walls. If we have to live in it, they're

going to have to work on it. And right across, that's what we did. And hence the no-wash protest. The Brits referred it, to their their their their their their their that's, that's, their, thi, that's, that's, their, their, thi, their, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, their, that's, their, their, their, their, their, their, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, well, well, well, well, well, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's that's, that's that's that's the way, the way, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their, their their the way, their the way, the way, their the but that very word implies that you're dirty, you're stinking, you know, we were never... That's what I'm saying. They're so good with the words. We were never dirty. We were never dirty. You know, it was a means to an end. Now that protest went on for almost three years, but in between then, they made the vital mistake. The Cardinal, Catholic leader, Fee, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the th, the th, the the the the thee, the their, the, the the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th, th, th, their, their, th, their, th. T. T. T. T. T. T.s, the, the, the, the.s, thea.eats, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the vital mistake. The Cardinal Catholic leader of Ireland was

Cardinal O'Fee from Arma. They allowed him into the H. blocks for a whole day. He was in the whole prison, he went deaf and cells and sell it. And it was announced on the media that he was in. So obviously when he came out of the jail and he's in the car park, all the different newspapers and radio stations there and he made a speech and he made a speech about what he'd seen in there, the conditions that we were living under, the malnutrition, everything about it and he made the famous speech when he was a young priest he had to go to India and he says what I've seen in there is like the streets of Calcutta no open sewers and it went worldwide so the British going

man how did he get in there we'll have to change this how do we end this protest how do we end this no-wise protest they had to think something up so so the hatched this plan they brought these doctors in and they say we'll have to force force the the the to force to force the to force to force the to force the to force to force the to force the to force to force the the the to force the to force the the the the to the the the the the to the to the streets the streets their their their the the streets to the streets their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their theauauauauc. thea. I thoeses thoes thoes toea. their their their their their their their their they hatch this plan that brought these doctors in and they says right, we'll have to force wash them, force the bathroom. But we need a reason for it and the reason for it is if we don't do it, these men's own health is at risk. I mean you have been doing this for three years old. As is the prison staff. As is the prison staff. So therefore, we can justify forced bathing them. Much what happened to Patty when he first

out to criminal jail as a 17 year old, two baths of water. So what they did was, they went to the whole wing, dragged men out one of the baths. Dranity in the whole wing, dragged men out one of the time, bait them, threw them into baths, dwinded you in the butt of dark scrubbers, and your face and all this, dact sponges, painted you with a big brush. It's happened to all you guys? Yep. Yeah, scrubbed you the rawha. And we're not making this up. And we're not making that. Can I come in here a second. Also, with with, can, can, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, the, their, their, their, the, and, and, and, can, can, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, the. And, the. And, the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. that, the. the. the. that, the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the, and, and, and, and, the in the cells. She in the winter, the fucking rain's coming through, we ripped the windies out, with no furniture. I was in our, another thing we did, we racked the furniture through it out. They used to come around with a paper plates, but fuck me them out

the window. There was all sorts of protests within it. With no bed, with no sheets. You seen the sponge in that maggots. But that was, you guys the, no, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th no, th no, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with no, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with no, with no, with no, with no, with no, with no, with no, with no, with no, with no, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, with no, with no, with no, with, with, with, with, with, with, with bed, with no sheets. You seen the cell, then, yeah. There was just a sponge and their maggots. But that was, you guys wanted that? No? No, I'm saying, like, it was supposed to be a bed? But then you guys fucked all the shit out? So initially the hood, Bonk beds, a tablapettas. Okay, so that that. We smashed that up. It was a protest. We smashed it.

And the left is just with the sponge mattices. Okay, yeah. Now, the no-ice protests had continued. But apart from Cardinal O'Fee, the British made the mistake. Right, how can we count to this? What we will do is we will allow the TV crews right in to the H. Blacks. Well bring them to the performing blocks for all the prisoners who are conforming no more. So they were showing their lovely clean cells. They were showing all their books on the suit, on their radios, their canteens with

their pool tables and dirt boards, the multi-million pound gyms, they could do hawk crafts, they had a visit a week, that a parcel, that these workshops were they learned to trade. This is all on offer to these men, but this is the way they choose to live and it was their way they chose to live and it was their most they brought the cameras right into the hedge blocks. And it was their their their their their their their their th. tables. thiii, tables, tables, tables, tables, tables, tables, th. tables, tables, their tables, tools, tools, their tools, tools, tools, tools, tools, tha, tha, tha, blocks. Yeah, they fucked up. And it was the first time our own families could see the way we were living. We were like cavemen. Long beards, hers, shaked all over the wall, rotting food. Our eyes are all sunken, no natural fresh air.

But then, the window thing was, they decided to spray us with disinfectants and the cells. They couldn't breathe. And it was that strong. There was bars in the mundled glass. We smushed the glass to let the urine. So without no eyes protests went off for three years. They began the force buffs, they were dragging men out, baiting them, throwing them, they're throwing them into their, it was very hot, and they're their, and their, it, and their, and their, and their, and their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, we're, we're, we're, their, their, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, their, their, their, their, their, thi.......... thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi's thin, thin, their, thereea''''ea'ease. thereea'ease-s. thereea'ease-s. their their their, thebed in the trend, they held you on a chair and with the shears, the shaved your hair, your beard, then the thee on the unapety thing and eventually every blanket, every blanket man with food that and you know it just got worse, it escalated and then it got to the stage where behind the scenes we were trying, everything, to resolve this and it and it and the the the the the, and the just and the just and it and it and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, it, it, it, it just just just just just just just just the just the just th just just just just just just the thus, it was just their their their, it, it, it was their, it, it, it was just, it was just, it was just, it was just, it was just, it was just, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it and that escalated and then it got to the stage where behind the scenes we were trying everything to resolve this and they just wouldn't

budge on it so therefore the prison staff decided we're going to have to launch a hunger strike. Now hunger strike was a weapon which was used by Republicans down through the different generations and it achieved centuries it's happened. And many of those campaigns. So this is something that you guys people have been doing it for like hundreds of years? It's built in the thing like so as you know that someone like had a real grievance against the felt that they were wrongly grieved. Say I felt wrongly grieved, you'd done something on me but you weren't addressing it, you were

refusing to address it, you were totally ignoring it. You would, you would go maybe to your house and lay down outside your front door and just stay there until you either done something about it address my grievances or I would just die you know so don't do the different because Ireland's the Irish people have been fighting the British for 800 years it's probably the longest the longest arm struggle we've fighting the British for 800 years. It's probably the longest armed struggle. We were the British first colony. We remain maybe one of the last, but down through the 800 years, different generations of Irish men and we've been have rose up and fought rebellions or armed campaigns.

We were no different. 1969 was the birth of our campaign. Yeah. So after all that it happened to make it just totally the forced boughs and haircuts and the marrow searches. The black staff decided then, well exhausted every means of protest with Bainan here for four years. We're gonna launch a hunger strike. And the Saint Ward I'd said a hunger stake and the sandboard I'd say the leader a leadership on the outside were totally...

I said they're not something that's taken lately you're no exercise are you guys are you guys hanging out ever no what I mean you didn't get out you're in a term eight by six four steps forward four stac back how are you talking to each other? Just through the wind the same? There's they they they they they they they they they? It it it it it it? It it? It it? It's not? It's not? It's not? It's not, they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're not, it? It's not, it's not, it's not, it's not. It's not. It's not. It's not, it's not, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the term 8 by 6. 4 staps forward, 4 stamps back. How are you talking to each other? Just talked through the wind, through the pipes, through each cell. And you could have got down, a potty was in the next cell. I could have spoken to the sound. Traveled.

I could have talked out like, don't out that there. So that's how we communicated. Plus, we learned the Irish language. There was enough guys that do so, near enough every blanket men. If they didn't, if they weren't fluent, they knew an amount of Irish, no, we could speak in our own tongue. But as to say, eventually... Learning Irish was near an essential language. It's they they they they they they they they they they essential. It's crazy that you guys learn the language while all this is going to get speech. We could speak and the screws couldn't understand. But eventually the sound

out word of the leadership, we're going to launch a hunger strike and the leadership were totally opposed it, men will die and women in our Magill. But the leadership in the jail stuck to its ground and yet there was the launch of the 1980 hunger strike. Seven men went on that at the one time. There were 57 days on hunger strike. One of those was Sean McKenna from Newry. He'd slipped into a coma, ate an hour to live, but in the background talks were going on. And then the Brits offered this deal. We had five demands, the main one being we wanted our own clothes. The Brits had said they were prepared to concede about three of those demands. So they put it to Breton Ques, who

was a leader, he's sort of, he's 57,000 hunger strike, he's looking at what they're offering, he's looking at Sean they're offering. He's looking at Sean McConaugh, who's Diane. The dark took them at their ward and ended the hunger strike. But it became clear within a few days. It was like the old Indian, Native American Indian term. White Ma speaks for forked hung. The British just completely reneged.

What the fuck. Therefore we had the regroup and Bobby Sons decided that we had no other choice. There would be a second hunger strike, but it would be planned differently. Seven men wouldn't go on it at the one time, it would be staggered. So once we got again the outside leadership totally opposed, Bobby Sarnes made the famous speech, will you either sack me or you back me? So they decided then there would be a second hunger strike in 1981 and they would pick a symbolic date which was March the 1st 1st 1st 1st 1st, was the day the British took away political status. And that's the day that hunger strike was launched.

That hunger strike lasted a total of eight months and ten men died. But at the end of that, that hunger strike may well have continued and more men would have died. But what had happened was men who was on the hunger strike, who once had slipped into a coma, a priest called father or fall, had got the families together and explained that once your loved one has slipped into a coma, you have the right to ask the doctors to intervene and save their life. So once that happened to the first hunger striker, and I don't blame the families, the families, no blanket money,

blame the families. So once they kept stepping in, it had lost its effectiveness, therefore the prison staff decided, we're going to suspend the hunger strike. It was never, it was never ended. You have to read that it was suspended. But within three days of that hunger stake being suspended, the British, which could easily have done during the first hunger stake, they granted three of the five demands.

The most important was the one of your own clothes. And like as one blanket man said, see the day that he got a day the day it it it it it it it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it was to read to read to read the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to be was to be was to read to read to read the to read the to read the they they they had they had they had the the the they had the they had they had the the five demands. The most important was the one of your own clothes. And like his one blanket man said, see the day that he got his own clothes. After being on that protest for five years, it was like putting on a suit of armor. Because now you were, you're a hole, you're a hole again. You're a hole again. That was just the beginning. Gradually, you're a human being. Gradually, it took another two years. And now, shimruptly.

Republican just can't be getting away at it. And eventually, after the famous escape from the most secure prison in the world of 83 Republicans, um, that put it, the death nail in the criminalisation policy was we as Republicans won our whole fight demands and much more and we were just recognized then like we always had been most political of presents, you know, so. Mr. Dengueller. I I'm Now some they're like to fishing, and some they like to fallin' and some may like to hear, I can't am born on the roadin' With me I like sleeping, especially in my mileage chamber.

But here I am in Britain. Here I am with a bowling chain, yeah. Much of rain, gonna do, come a die. Wake for my daddy, oh, Work for my daddy, oh, Fthere's whiskey in the jar. I got drunk with you. And I know, I love, I love, I love, I know, I love, I know, I know, I know, that, that the time. And you will, I'll be more.

Because I want to start in town.