WAR MODE - Crooked Smile pt.1 (Jared Klickstein)

Episode Date: December 14, 2024

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Yeah, we can start. All right, we're here with Jared. Jared Klickstein. What's up, bro? Thank you, guys. Wrote a book called crooked smile crazy book Maybe you should fucking buy it for love of God Beware if you read it you will get really attached to him and he goes on a journey and he will let you down and it's sad

Yeah, but then I'll find out Still here at times and sad, but I'm sitting with war mode. So there's a happy end It's kind of funny. Like I want it. I want it to be a movie really bad. Like I'm trying man I mean, it's just a bad time in Hollywood right now, but like yeah, I like fuck a kid or something I mean, it's just not a good time for blackmail right now So yeah I thought about it like the other night after we talked to you like if you were to have trans during this you might have Something it took me years to get the book deal.

And one publisher was like, are you gay or anything? Like, can you add anything to the? They wouldn't give me a deal. They actually asked you if you were gay? Yeah. Well, it was like BLM Times, like 2020, 2021. Never forget. OK, you're white.

You're kind of half Jewish. Like, that might be. We got something. And then, but they're I they were just like we do you have anything to spice this up have you done anything gay ever I don't know I feel like it's it'd be a cool movie and if it was like even do you remember like did you ever see the foot fist way yeah like that kind of a movie it could be funny like that it could be funny like a

serious scary kind of thing I mean, it's everything it's funny. I don't know. I don't know how to describe it But I think the book should be a movie or a TV show at least. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah We're trying to get like a my agent did wolf of Wall Street So he represented Jordan Bell. Okay sweet or Belfort wrote the book and then he got it made into into a movie So yeah that kind of a movie. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. But, um, and he like sent emails out to like Leonardo DiCaprio and like all these guys and they're just like, it's just not a good time.

But, but I do have faith that like with time, something could happen, like a mini series or something easily. Just, just right off the bat, I have a few questions just cause this shit and it's very interesting to me. Just about day to day shit. Yeah. So what does it feel like when you're like completely gone homeless for a few days and like, kind of like, are you blacked out? It depends on what drugs you're on. I mean, when I went through like my meth phase, you're not blacked out on meth, but you're in like Jordan Neely world.

You're like getting rowdy and like as time goes on and you get more fucked up and you have like scabs on your face and like you start to really not care about society and you start getting wild on the train and doing stuff like that, but you're not blacked out. You're just in a different world. And then yeah. So it's like a psychosis, it's like a paranoia psychosis type thing.

It's a psychosis, but it's more, it's almost like an ego trip. Like you think you're like above it all and like, Oh, nice. And then you think, cause you're kind of on the ball with some shit and you start. They always have nice shoes. I always are a few days. I heard somebody saying like, if you start doing meth, like you'll have a really good week. Oh my God. First week of of it like you are on I don't know I first started doing meth because I was the cartel made me do meth because I started working for them and I started driving

Selling heroin and there because I was just a junkie and speak Spanish Barely but but I was a customer to them Yeah, buy heroin and they offered me a job to drive it around and deliver it But they're like, you know junkies obviously fall asleep when they drive So you got to do meth at the beginning of every shift So they made them do that they made me do man, but only snort They were like, but you can only snorted if you smoke it you're fired Isn't that much of a difference? Oh, yeah, there's a difference. I found that I got fired. Okay

So he started talking on the power. He started getting on the walkies. Yeah, they give me a walkie That could be a whole thing in of itself dudes on meth on walking Like I know it's fucked up and you went through a lot a hard time, but like the book is funny, bro Oh, I had a good time the shitty you went through his layers and there's a a big difference with like your homelessness I mean don't it was wrong but he was like an elite he basically always kind of had access to a car. Smartest retard situation. Like if you have a car dude that's like you have a mobile home. Yeah. Yeah. You can you can't you can live in a car but you can't drive a halfway house. True. It's like an old homage of drug addicts.

That's nice. So like when you get to the halfway house and you clean up the goal number one is get a car. Yeah. Like buy an $800 car you know and then leave the halfway house and live in the car. Yes. And you know do whatever you want but I had it. Meth was awesome. I was in college. I wrote my senior thesis the first two weeks that I was on meth. Do you still have it? I do have it. Is it coherent? Is it a theory of everything a lot of the source work it's about Hitler I read Mein Kampf it was dark because I am half Jewish but then I started doing meth and the German side and you read Mein Kampf on meth, you're gonna have some sympathy. So I went down a pretty dark hole with it because when you do meth, you basically, there's two paths.

Sorry, I just spit a little bit. Dude, don't worry about it. When you get on meth, there's two paths. It's like you either you're gay now or you're into Hitler. Which way, white man? So, you so you know there's I don't know I consider one of those paths not as bad as the other one but yeah but those are the two paths and occasionally people do go down both paths whoa pretty much a

nightmare situation yeah gay Nazis yeah but situation. Yeah, gay Nazis. Yeah, you will run into gay Nazis. But yeah, meth was super cool for like two weeks. Why does it make dudes get gay? I think it just hyper sexualizes you. You just get so, I don't get horny because I always accompany it with heroin, which heroin like completely depletes you of sexual activity. Is this a speedball or no?

Speedball is more cocaine and heroin, which is like later I graduated to just shooting speedballs. That's my preferred route. That's my ultimate. That's my heritage Those are my parents. My parents were speedball addicts. So And that is the best. Yeah It's entered in a vacuum That is my preferred route Yeah, math is just it gets too dark. I got off math after about two years in a vacuum. That is my preferred route. Yeah, meth is just, it gets too dark.

I got off meth after about two years. Because you end up in rooms with like, you just like a guy's like, hey, come up to my room. And then you go up to a hotel room. He gets up too, bro. And then there's like four more guys in the hotel room. And you know, I'm not a big guy. Sure. Someone could impose their will. Oh, yeah

It's so scary. Yeah, I've had to jump out of windows and like escape down fire escapes to escape like gay meth heads and stuff Oh my god. Where is this in LA San Francisco? Holy fuck. Yeah Yeah, the thing that's fucked up about his book is like it's not it's a it's a it's a romp dude It's crazy to watch this dude go through life, but the system is keeping them like this. They're handing them a phone. Yeah, they're giving them like our systems broken Like they kind of like want them on the streets for some reason. What do they do to you to keep you on? Well, they give you like everything but Treatment sure, you know and not that treatment is some cure-all I mean, we all know people that have been to treatment 20 times but I mean they give you a phone

They give you clean needles. They give you crack pipes. They give you food stamps. They give you general relief cash welfare They they don't put you in jail for committing crimes And if you went to jail you want to this might have been a shorter Adventure, right? Oh if they had just got me in 2011 2012 I might have 15 years sober right now. Jesus. But I couldn't, and it's not like a- It's fucked up, he survived, but some other people are dead.

Oh, tons, bro. And if they went to jail, they'd be alive. Well, in the beginning, like 2011 to 2015, 16, you could still go to jail. I mean, if you broke into a house, you're going to jail. You're going to prison probably. But after 2016, 2017, crime is like, I mean, you just can't go to jail.

Just California or are you saying in general? I think mostly California. And then obviously after 2020, it sort of spread to places like Philadelphia, you know, New York. I lived in New York. I was a drug addict in New York 2012 to 2013 and I went to jail twice for hopping the turnstile. Oh, I mean you couldn't commit crimes in jail

Yeah in New York, so I wasn't I was homeless for two weeks in New York. They you have to go to a shelter It's illegal to be homeless in New York back then. Yeah, and I went to the shelter. I got a job at like a cabinet shop I rented a room from a Dominican family for $600 a week. I and I maintained damn It's a cool part of the book where I'm like damn. How's he doing this? Yeah, you're a high function like being that high functioning is crazy. I'm not a guard rails I never really hit that in sober life. Yeah, I always had a hard time just keeping my shit together No, well, yeah, it was the guardrails. I'm not like some authoritarian like I

think we need to like lock everyone up but like the guardrails of New York City circa 2013 like kept me in this kind of horrible life but it was at least like I was not homeless and I was employed. Yeah. What's it like for you now to see them? When you see homeless people like they're all around down here. Yeah, what's it like for you now to see them? When you see homeless people like god, they're all around down here. Yeah. Yeah, like what's it like for you? Um, you don't you sit there and go like brother I mean I understand sometimes I talk to him if like I'm go to 7-eleven or something. I'll have a conversation I'll be like hey, there's this place downtown called the arch you can go to the arch They'll like hook you up with some housing and help you get off

They'll help you with detox and all that. And they don't want that. But I talk to them a bit and I tell them, hey, I was on the street, I used to smoke crack and be a heroin addict and be homeless. And I got out and my life's pretty good. And those are the ones that can comprehend English. A lot of them are completely whacked, unfortunately.

But the solution I think is really to, and English, a lot of them are like completely whacked unfortunately, but I don't know, you know, the solution I think is really to like, you just can't allow this. And that doesn't mean to snatch these guys up and put them in prison, but it's like, at some point you gotta snatch them up and put them in like a treatment program. That's not super, you know, it doesn't have hot tubs

and doesn't have like, you know, beach days. I mean, you can go to a fancy rehab, but those don't really work. I went to a pretty fucked up rehab And it was really good and they like helped me, you know, they like helped me write a resume They helped me get like work boots. They helped me go on job interviews And they like got me back into society But there's rehabs that you can get like you can still be getting high in this fucking rackets Do they can I know 90 bucks a night per bed and shit like that? this one dude northeast has one and it's like 90 they have it's like an old hospital or elementary school and

Insurance pays $90 per bed and every fucking there's taking the insurance money 90 bucks every night Oh, there's places that are a thousand dollars a day I've worked at places that are a thousand dollars a day. Do you get your dicks up there? Like what happens? My sister went to something like that for just alcohol. A G. Dude, that's how much it is.

Oh my God. That's insane. Yeah, well that's why our insurance is so expensive. Yeah, I'm about to disrupt the market, hit people like 50. Well, people start rehabs and they're like, okay, come to my rehab, It's a thousand dollars a day. With your insurance will only pay for 30 days.

Yeah. Unless you relapse, in which case they'll pay for another 30 days. So at 30 days, I'm going to give you 500 bucks to go relapse. Yeah. And then if you complete another 30 days, I'll give you five grand or whatever. Yeah. They would do that shit on purpose. Constantly.

My cousin told me about that. Like they would just, they would fuck with you towards the end, like kick you out and shuffle. It's the Florida shuffle. It's part of the Florida shuffle. They do it in LA. It's called body brokering. It's it is illegal obviously, but um, people are professional. I mean people start rehabs and do this professionally. Then there's also the drug addicts that do professionally, you know, cause they're, they they're like on their parents insurance from Yeah, Michigan. Their dad works at like an auto factory They get sent to the hills of Hollywood to go to rehab. They don't want to leave

Yeah, they don't want to go to they don't want to go back to Michigan So they just stay there for years and just do like the shuffle. Oh my god. Yeah, how long does it take to really detox? Where you're like, I'm good. Well, they detox, they always like Medicaid you up and like get you high and all that. But I've detoxed in jail. It took me like three weeks. What's that? What do you mean? Like, what is that? He detox in jail and they were like, no, I'm saying, what is that program? Yeah. I, I like cold bird, right? Yeah. I curl up in a fetal position and they make you go challenge it. Or you're just like, dude, I dude I'm they just put you in that they put you in like the dorm

So you're with like a hundred guys and you have to join a gang so like your your shot callers like yo get up It's by the book. It's in the book by the book He's like, you know, we got to work out You're like I'm kicking heroin and they're all meth heads so they don't understand what like deep detoxing. I think Wes Watson was a meth head Of course It was crazy. Well, that's the yeah when you're then they look there's a war between meth heads and heroin addicts that so they have The most insane looking what do you mean a real war? it's like Kirko Bane guys verse like

In jail or in jail or like out in the world in the world in jail In jail or like out in the world? In the world, in jail. Yeah, do they war a lot? So many addicts. Like on the street, like Methods are like, are they shitting on heroin addicts, like you lazy fucks? Yeah, because Methods like are about something. Oh yeah.

They're about everything, dude. Heroin addicts are like, There's always a general theme with everybody I know that ever did drugs is there's so many adversaries. Oh yeah. It's like they're constantly getting fucked over they have enemies Yeah, they have associates. They don't really have friends Yeah, you can't have friends you the only people you have are people that you can somehow gain something from. Oh, yeah

Oh, yeah, or enemies. I mean there is no in-between Yeah, there's a great part in your book when like you're you make friends with a guy and it's literally just I can't remember what it is But like you guys are just both using each other. Yeah, it was great. Is it something about a phone? There's something over a phone eventually was it okay not the because I was homeless on skid row with a guy named Richie Yeah, my like yeah, brotherly love like we protected each other It was like the only relationship I've ever had were like on the streets We're like we didn't fuck each other over. Yeah, because we like completely Protected we were like two white guys on skid row like that's tough

It's I just learned that it's majority black stuff. Yeah. Yeah, but they're super cool Once they realize like hey these guys are like just down here with us. They're just living with us They're doing the same shit as us. They have like an almost like elevated level of respect for you Yeah, were you down in the tunnels and stuff that you see in the videos the tunnels like whatever you want to call it The underground part I've never really gone too far underground. I mean the Samoans sort of run the the underground situation New York has YouTube videos of it. These guys are living in the dark.

Samoans run that? Yeah, New York's Orthodox LA. Yeah, true. They got the tunnels. And they're connected. Yeah, so like the LA river like has all these tunnels and I think like Samoan Bloods like run all that. So I like the penguin.

Yeah, the penguin. Yeah, so they're kind of like, yeah, exactly. Yeah. I don't know what they're up to down there but they're like the penguin. Yeah, the penguin. Yeah, so they're kind of like, yeah, exactly Yeah, I don't know what they're up to down there, but you know, they're down there. I There's no I mean I'm close to the drugs You know you want to be close to your drug dealer and and you want to be close to where you can make money And where you can make you know, you're not robbing people in the tunnels I mean, they probably don't have anything so you want to be downtown by the bars where you can like You know punch a drunk guy in the head at three o'clock in the morning and

steal his iPhone or what, you know, you want to be around stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. It sounds like the wild west. Yeah. Yeah. Cause downtown cause skid row is right next to downtown LA and downtown LA is like a bunch of clubs and stuff. So you're, and those are victims. Sure. I'm not proud of this, but yeah, no shit. You gotta like, you know, you robbed drunk, even Jesus dropped across three times. And then you want to be close to the stores because you're because obviously like shoplifting became the number one

trade, I guess is what you want to call it. But so yeah, that's why you see homeless people like close to train stations and like places of, you know, places where there's like an economy going Yeah, yeah CBS is Chipotle is like all that stuff. I see them all the time now. What got your ass to start? He was born into the trade. Yeah, my parents were both heroin addicts My dad started doing heroin when he was like 12 My parents were both heroin addicts. My dad started doing heroin when he was like 12.

So it was just in my family. But they were good people and everything, but then they started smoking crack when they were like 40, which is a crazy time. It's a wild hobby to pick up. It's a roll of the dice, because you can do it and just be like, it's cool and not do it again, but that's a rare.

Yeah, yeah. So I eventually got taken. I got taken away from my parents when I was 12 and I moved to Oakland, California with my aunt and uncle. And, you know, had like a normal like drank and smoked weed and all that. But then in college, there was just heroin everywhere in my college. Really? Yeah. What the fuck?

I was like one of the last kids to try it. Holy shit. So for a while you were dodging a bullet there. Yeah, I would like do like oxy, like oxy started coming around. I didn't know what that was. So I just started doing those and I was like, you guys are crazy for doing heroin. Like, yeah, I'm just doing oxies over here. And then I did Google. And then I got sick. Like I stopped doing oxies and I withdrew and then I Googled some stuff and I was like, oh shit, oxies are basically heroin.

Yeah. So I went to like a real world college and I was like, oh, I got sick like I stopped doing oxys and I withdrew and then I googled some stuff And I was like, oh shit oxys are basically heroin. Yeah, so um, I went to like a real loser college like an art college I mean, it's not an art school, but I was in like the art dorm. Yeah, everyone just like started doing heroin and Yeah, I just like got completely addicted. Holy I like sophomore year Are there any people down in skid Row that are like fake in the funk? There's like cross punks and shit that like are actually not poor. Yeah. So he talks about it in his book. It's great because they're not about business. They're not about making money. They're out there being like they just want like eight bucks but he well when you first were realized you're addicted on the streets what was your daily money needs?

The worst day in the world is 20 bucks. Like you had to rack up like 80 bucks a day. 80 bucks, about 80 bucks. So those crust punks are looking for like 10 bucks. Yeah. Holy shit. Like when I went down there, I was, listen, like I'm not like a hard looking guy or anything and I was 22, I'm 35 now, so you can imagine,

like I look like Justin Bieber. Yeah. So I'm down there. you can imagine like I look like Justin Bieber So fortunately these or not fortunately, but these crust punks like adopted me they were like, okay You can be across, you know the guys that were like no sure patches. You're down at occupy Like a big magnet for all like it was X for all that Yeah so occupy was a magnet for like white homeless kids that like listen to punk rock and then like the crackheads got wind of it and they were like they're handing out sandwiches at Occupy like so then that's like the White Walkers. Yeah. Beyond the wall. Yeah so they came and like all of a sudden

you got people getting stabbed and raped and like I mean people were getting raped at Occupy. Oh like women were getting ready. I didn't realize it was like countrywide I thought it was just like a New York thing Don't this was occupying Oakland in LA. Yeah, so I wound up in LA because when I became a drug act My family was like, okay, we did this for 20 years with your parents Like we are not gonna do 20 years with you like yeah beat it And I had nowhere to go so I ended up in LA and and Yeah, man, the crust punks were just like

Spangin they call it spangin like where you just hold a sign you're like, you know, yeah Got your dog. Yeah, we went to like oh, that's what that's called. Yeah engine So we went to like a Popeyes on Hollywood Boulevard and with a sign and we got after like four hours We got like eight bucks It was more fucking lucrative than that. Well, this is cross-punk So like they were like, okay Let's go buy a gram of weed and like split a gram of weed between five people So like I immediately split off and like I steal like a laptop from one of the one of the college kids at Occupy

And sell it to this Mexican dude and these like Mexican gangbanger dudes were at Occupy this Mexican dude and these like Mexican gangbanger dudes were at Occupy and they adopted me because they were like, oh shit, this guy can like, this guy looks like Justin Bieber. Like he can get in anywhere. He can steal socks, he can steal food, he can like get in with the white kids and steal shit from them and gain their trust.

And so fortunately they adopted me and they taught me the way. Holy fuck. Yeah. Did you have like a Mr. Miyagi or was this just like a group of Mexicans? Yeah, I had Youngster. Youngster was my Mr. Miyagi.

They all thought he was gay because they were like, why you, what do you want to fuck this kid or something like that? Mexicans are crazy with the gay shit. Yeah. You can't do anything around Mexicans without them. Never really got sweet or anything, dude. Stay straight the whole time, just all about business.

All about making money. That could have been, your book could have been a one-page brag Never did gay shit later. Well, that's the miracles that I never and I'm not listen. I'm not bragging It's like a miracle like so and I salute to the people that just like immediately go do gay shit. Yeah, that's crazy Than you bro. I couldn't do it one time. I let a guy tickle my feet for money, which is pretty gay At least you weren't staring one down brother. No, and he was um He was with a finger or feather With finger socks on or protection You're good and

So that's about as far as I went and And yeah, sure, I'm proud of that. I wouldn't be, dude. But I got offered every day. I mean, in San Francisco, people would pull over. So you're almost like an OnlyFans chick down there where it's like you could make tons of money on OnlyFans, but you declined and chose a straight and narrow. Yeah, yeah.

Wow. Because I look like Justin Bieber walking around San Francisco, and every day, multiple times, guys would pull over and just be like, do you need anything? I just gotta be creative. It's gotta be great in my car. Self-esteem.

I see some street walkers in Kensington where I look at her and just go, doesn't have to be like this. Oh yeah. I do it all the time. Heat, car, whatever you want. I was walking, I was walking back from yoga the other day and I saw there's a girl with the red light

by the Whole Foods and I was like, you could live with me. Yeah. You wouldn't enjoy the finer things finer things. Are you hungry? Well, it's so hard for women because there's always a man that will take you in oh, yeah it's really I commend women that can get sober and get off the streets because um forever they can just find somebody for a long ass time it is Disgusting in Kensington when you see the chicks that are there like rugged shoes

It is disgusting in Kensington when you see the chicks that are there like rugged shoes It's been a while and they're starting to like leather skin out stuff like that. That is fucking foul. Yeah. Yeah women get hit hard I mean like you can I slept up I look fine Yeah, like a woman went through if a woman went through what I went through she could see it You know, she looks like 50. Yeah, so that you check that just fucked under dudes. Yeah, exactly 47 minute documentary about it is almost watching also But I think cuz guys would be like hey come in my car like I'll give you a hundred bucks if you get in my car You know my are do you see any elites rolled down there on some like weird shit like expensive cars? Just like weird shit That expensive cars just like weird shit

That's kind of happened on the peripheral when you're in skid row like is there any like undercurrent of that or is it all kind of just homeless people going wild there's There's some I mean, there's some guys doing gay shit and getting picked up in nice cars. Yeah, some shit like that There's like this love don't judge brother. Yeah, there's this hotel. I think it's called the Forget this hotel, but you you can't get a room there. Like if you ask for a room, there's no rooms and you, but you can buy crack there. And it's like 80s crack. It's like legit crack. And it's like right across this called the Lorraine, I think. And it's

right across the street from the cop station. And the rumor is that the cops confiscate high end cocaine. They hand it over to the Lorraine. I believe that. 100%. So, and you just go in there and they give you like a shopping bag and they just like, you can buy like a bunch of crack.

And it's like the best crack on Skid Row. How much is it? Crack is like, well that's the funny thing about crack is like a crack head just wants a piece of crack. So you're never like, wait, you can't hold, you can't buy crack and be like, OK, I'm going to go home. I'm going to light some candles. Like when you buy crack, you're smoking crack within 10 feet of where you

smoked more Parmesan cheese. And if you buy crack and it's fake, you still smoke it. I got to know. It's not funny, but crack is hilarious. So we buy crack in like riot. and my friend Richie would be like, it's a fucking macadamia nut, and I'd be like, give it to me. Like, I'm smoking that.

You have to verify. I've dropped crack in puddles of piss, and then you just pull it out and you smoke it. Because crack isn't water soluble. Crack is wild, but crack is like, I don't know, it's probably like 50 60 bucks a gram well but I've never you never buy a gram of you buy a five dollar rock so it's just called rock if you try to put five on it yeah you buy a five dollar

rock 40 times a day like and you buy one and you're like I'm not you know yeah like when you're like coming down off a crack crack is so crack When I first started smoking crack in New York City, like I got a paycheck for three hundred and four dollars for a week I was a fucking dishwasher at the Standard Hotel and I Went to go buy heroin. He was like, I don't have it I'm out of heroin right now, but I got crack and my friend was like cracks pretty cool You know, let's try crack you'll like it. It's like the worst decisions of all time every day. Yeah. And he's still here.

It's crazy. So I bought like a dime of crack and within four hours, my entire paycheck was gone. Oh my God. And you just like snapped it. You did this for a long time. How long were you doing this thing of spending all your money on drugs in New York?

This is impressive. I lived in New York for a year. A year dude. And just went hard and. But crack was. Every day? Yeah day yeah yeah no days off no days eventually i got on like my friend got suboxone you know suboxone yeah i don't know where it is selling yeah yeah so i do like suboxone it's a weird hustle dude yeah what is that like why do dudes get into selling suboxone methadone kind of right well yeah it's like you sell it because

you'll sell anything to buy heroin and there is a market for suboxone Like I would buy suboxone because I had it I got a construction job and then I do suboxone like Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday and then get paid on Friday spend it all within two days crack Yeah, crack heroin commit crimes on Sunday to get high on Sunday then go back to work Monday And people are fucking crying about the Sunday scares yet. There are few pills Sunday then go back to work Monday and people are fucking crying about the Sunday scares after a few I think it's I think I underestimate how many people are on functioning on drugs if this is going on You know I mean, there's a lot of people on drugs that maybe they don't talk about it or whatever There's probably some dudes and keep together. Yeah, was there a perfect thing where like you found it

It was like almost like flying where you're like dude. got it I got it yeah just fall off I mean I what when I was finally my last stretch of homelessness on skid row I replaced meth with crack and heroin and that's a pretty good combo because you can sleep at night you have all your fucking teeth no no they're all there at the fuck's good I'm missing a tooth in the back one I'm missing one tooth and I was like, they're all there. What the fuck's good? No, I'm missing a tooth in the back. One. I'm missing one tooth, yeah. I got a big one.

You might have smoked a lot of macadamia nuts. His face crushing all Ben and Jerry's, dude. No, I got good, my family, my dad had good teeth and he smoked a lot of crack. He smoked probably millions of dollars worth of crack. Cause my dad, they sold. He was, Roxxon people do a lot of drugs. I don't think regular people, not like. Oh my God. I don't think regular people not like oh my god

I don't think people know like you you get out if you get out of rehab man And you hit a like a electrician crew you're probably gonna start doing drugs. They're all on fucking drugs Oh, yeah, if you have to hang sheetrock every single day, dude, that shit hurts Oh, yeah, there's dudes to get used to working on those perk sets Yeah, it's big and bossy like doing heroin and just working a normal job and like maintaining like my dad did heroin for decades. It was fine. It was just a combo with the crack that got him.

Then he started doing the crack and he'd be in like the blueprint room, like smoking crack. He's bored himself in the basement thinking that the CIA and the FBI are outside the house. Then, well, you're a little kid. He's taking his kid around being like, let's clear the house. My dad would wake me up. I wish I had dad like that. I'm just kidding. My dad would wake me up and like hand me a gun and be like you got to cover me like we're doing perimeter checks Were you like? All right, let's go. I was like this is father-son time. Yeah

He was like lying to CPS as a kid. It was it's so the the book is like man pull tugging at the heartstrings man Killing me. Yeah. Yeah CPS got involved But when I got taken away my parents had 600 grand in cash because they sold drugs Okay, kind of like large-scale and then within 14 months. They called my aunt for money Whoa, so they spent 600 grand in 14 months. Oh, I must have been great I might have been like high as you can't understand. Oh, I Crack on crack when my passed, I went back to Boston and this family friend had like all these personal items

and I went through them and there's a bunch of camcorders. No way. I got one of them to work and there's like 10 hours of footage of my parents smoking crack and shooting heroin and like. No movies. And like filming the closet and they're like, they're like thinking they're shitting the closet and then they're like, they're like thinking their shit in the closet

and then they're like, we gotta get Jared back, like how are we gonna get him back? Cause my dad would like tweak out on shit so like he could like fix anything like with a motor. So like he got really into like garbage and like Dixon vacuum cleaners, like and fixing anything. But then eventually he got to the cam quarters. And he was fixing cam quarters.

That might be in your blood dude, he's diving in dumpsters, pulling out vacuums and electronics and selling them. Was that trial and error though? Or did you go straight to garbage? I hit meth and was in the dumpster pretty quick. Yeah. It's like activating his fucking soul, bro.

Most guys want the phone and the porn hub and they're just hitting the porn hub for 10 hours. Inside him is a master tradesman. Yeah master craftsman. So like I immediately want to go through garbage and like find shit that I can fix. What's your biggest haul? Found a MacBook one time in the garbage. Didn't work but still was able to trade it for like a hundred bucks because it's a Mac. I mean anything with an Apple symbol is gonna get it yeah a meth meth dealer pretty pretty riled up they're all just trying to use porn yeah yeah yeah there's low level operators dude yeah dude that's it's like stressing me out even here

about this I'm telling you if you if you get the book and you start reading it like when we get back I'll just give you the book like you won't be able to put it down Oh, I got it cuz you're gonna sit there and go like you want to hang out with them Yeah, that's like the thing you're like a man like fucking I get to hang out with Jared now And you're like reading it and then you're like, all right, I'm gonna put that down for a minute Like there's a nice little intermission in the book with pictures. I was like, I love that We'll take a break dude With pictures in the center. I was like, we'll take a break, dude.

With pictures in the center. I'm like, this is the greatest book ever. Yeah. There's like pictures of my parents and me like cracked out me when I get out of jail, you know, just like there are some pictures that, uh, unfortunately though I found those tapes after the book. I could have maybe taken some screenshots of the tapes, but, um, um but yeah basically I got like eight hours of my parents smoking crack and like plotting and which is incredibly disturbing but it would make a pretty good documentary I guess but um very disturbing but yeah I appreciate the kind words man I've listened to the podcast for like four or five years it's I feel the same way about sitting down with you guys yeah that's kid that's crazy

yeah I just I don't know, man. It's just like, it's, I imagine I read a book like that and I imagine like, all right, here comes success. Like you're loaded. I'm about to meet a famous writer. That's not the case. What's going on with books? They don't want us to win. I mean, listen, I'm very fortunate. Do people just not read? Well, I think people don't really read that much. I think but listen, so many people write books and like nothing happens. They don't get a deal. Like, fortunately, I have my uncle is a lawyer.

You know, I do got the yeah, the J connection a little bit. And it's a big advantage, man. Like when I got in trouble, when I got I got in trouble for stealing, I didn't really steal. I thought I was innocent in my world. But if you're not connected to that. Oh, I'm not connected to that. Like they arrest me and they're like, you're going to know I'm saying like, if you don't know a lawyer, like, if you're like out in the world as a Gentile, yeah, you just hit the lawyer. You're like, it's like somebody that doesn't know anything about it's like when they have to get construction at their house. Yeah, exactly.

You know what I mean? Like, this is gonna to be $5,500. What are you talking about? Well, I have the best of both worlds because I cut my dad is is is Jay, but he is like, you know, grew up, he smelled like whiskey and like war carhartt and he was like a fucking, you know, he's a carpenter. And so that New England modern day Joseph. Yeah, exactly. So I was like, the actually the J world is pretty foreign to me. But then I had this one uncle that like got we were like poor and my uncle got out They came from Ukrainian mill workers. Yeah Yeah, so uh in my mom's Irish You got the worst of both worlds, brother. My mom's like Irish traveler

Gypsy my mom was born to Irish gypsies who adopted their kids to Jewish families with the intention of extorting them for money. So my hustle, it's a crazy hustle. So they adopt their kids out to Jewish families and then they would come and be like, Hey, we want the kid back and we're going to bother you unless you pay us every month. That's fine. They were in the camps together. So yeah, so I don't know.

But anyway, my uncle, so he kind of like made it out and became an entertainment lawyer. But he didn't like when I went to jail, like he he wouldn't talk to me or anything. So like, but people is related to the lady you took the car off of. No, that's my dad's. So this is my mom's brother, who's like my, you know, he's I talk to him every day. Like, he's basically like a father figure. But he wouldn't talk to me for like 10 years. But when I went to jail, since I had the Jewish last name, people were like, yo, can you help me with my case?

Oh yeah, that was the craziest shit. He hits jail and he's like, you had a rough start because you had a long detox. And then you're sitting there like, how am I gonna make it in jail? But if you're Jewish, you get a rough start because you had a long detox. Yeah. And then you're sitting there like, how am I going to make it in jail? But if you're Jewish, you get a secret meal. Well, I have my last name's Klickstein, which kind of

sounds German. So like when the Nazis were like, what's going on? Are they very bad at sussing? I feel like they're like horrible at sussing people out. I don't think they have very good Jadar or any. That's crazy. That's crazy. Like to be a Nazi.

I was saying Klickstein, like Bruce Springsteen, like the boss. Yeah. Well, yeah. So they were like Klickstein or Klickstein or whatever. They're like... Sounds German. Yeah. They're like, you German?

Because I don't look like a... I look pretty Christian or whatever you want to call it. You're a white dude. Yeah. White guys. They're like, this guy must be German. And I'm like, someone was in Germany at some point So they like they were like, okay, we got a pure blood on our hands like we got it, you know

Yeah, yeah he got inked up what you get hit with I got This I got tattoos on my legs. I got a 5150 on my oh shit. Sorry wrong leg I got tattoos on my legs. I got a 5150 on my, oh shit, sorry, wrong leg. Don't let it happen again. I got 5150, I got 23 on my fingers that I covered up. That's Peckerwood. Peckerwood. Peckerwood.

He's at the woods, dude. Holy fuck. Yeah, dude, we got a real one. So I got into a race riot and I got like. Shit, your life is so insane. But they rewarded everyone for the race riot and I like But they like rewarded everyone for the race riot and they're like you burn your stripes like you get a 23 So I got a 23 on my fingers right here. I covered him up obviously But a guy named sick fuck gave him gave me Jail sounds so brutal because it's like it sounds like high school, but no rules

You know how I'm always like dude I get paranoid about my friends and stuff like that? Like if you fuck up in jail, your friends beat the fuck out of you. Oh, there's so many rules. It's the craziest rule. And there's a mandatory tattletale. Like if you see someone breaking a rule

and they find out that you didn't tattle, you're getting twice the punishment as the person that broke the rule. Emotionally, I couldn't handle it. Oh my God. Oh, I flipped out. I was like kicking heroin and crack and was so hungry. And I was like, does anyone have any food? And a black guy like raised up a bag of chips. He's like, you can have my chips. And some I was like kicking heroin and crack and was so hungry and I was like does anyone have any food in a

Black guy like raised up a bag of chips. He's like you can have my chips and some Nazi was like you touch those like You can't share food with black people, but they have kosher meals that are like primo Yeah, so they hit him so eventually I find out that there's a kosher meal and I'm like, oh fuck like these are worth a Lot of money. I told everyone I was German I'm gonna have to come clean. So he told Nazis. He's German not Jewish. Yeah, but then he then it's like couldn't do it behind closed doors No, no, because they were in a dorm, you know, so like me time comes in and they're like special diets And then if I go up to the front, I have a box with Hebrew on it. Oh Rebi has to like allow you to get it. Yeah

I've seen them in plastic wrap and shit like that. So everyone wants them So obviously everyone's trying to be like I'm Jewish so they give you like an intense test Is this where the black Israelites actually came from? There was a black dude in the book trying to be do it This might be the origin stories the black Israelite. They like pull you into a room and they're like this is okay Like you apply for the Jewish meal. they're like they give you an appointment they pull you into a room and you're in there I'm in there with like a like a bunch of black guys trying to get the Jewish question one how many died how

many candles on the menorah yeah nine yeah fuck yeah but that's like that's like to get you in the room and And then they ask you some crazy questions. Do you get cold a lot? What are you allergic to? Yeah, what are their questions? They ask you about obscure holidays and stuff. And I got most of them wrong, but they were like, your name is, they're like, you're Jewish, man.

But they're like, are you kosher? Because it's not a Jewish, it's not a Jewish thing, it's like, are you a religious Jew? It like orthodox shit. Yeah, so I was like, hey like I fucked my whole life up with drugs now I'm like refinding my faith and you grew out the peyote So they did give it to me and then I had to I had to go talk to like my shot-caller the Nazis and be Like guys, I've been fibbing. Oh Imagine the like for me at least I'm reading the book and it's like, I'm afraid of the beat down he's gonna get. But in this level, it's not like,

if there's a problem, it's stabbing, it's like just beat downs and shit. Like in the dorms, it's not as crazy as like the maxes and stuff where it's like, if you got a problem, you better be ready to kill someone over it. Well, that's like if you snitch or if they find out that you like are talking

to the cops about something like they'll, you know, you get stabbed. Yeah. These like low level, I didn't know if this was a, They find out that you are talking to the cops about something like you get stabbed. These low level, I didn't know if this lie was one of those problems. But I talked to another guy and he was like, it should be fine. They're just going to beat the fuck out of you. But do you stay in? But you stay in.

Wow. I don't even want to get the fuck beat out of me, dude. You know what I mean? How long does that hurt for afterwards? Well it's 23 seconds that you get the shit kicked out of you and stop for 23 out to 23 dude yeah but I like so anyway I go and talk to them and they're like they're like it's like my shot-caller is like I'm half Armenian man like it's fine he's like we're not perfect you know no it's perfect and

he's like he's like the kosher meal just give me the chicken meatballs on Thursdays like we're not gonna have You know, no one's perfect. And he's like, he's like the kosher meal. Just give me the chicken meatballs on Thursdays. Like we're not going to have any problems. How minority are you guys has like the whites. There's like, like, is it like a, it sounded in the book, like you guys were really outnumbered. There, the dorms, like a hundred people, there was like, probably the most we ever hit was like 18. Yeah. But what we're allied with the Mexicans and they're like always like northern Mexicans though, right? No, no southern Mexican southern the northerns are the blacks or ten years or with the blacks and there's like basically no nor ten And the nor ten you like cuz I'm from Oakland where the new ten years are but but this one of the southern is called Serenity Serenity is a nor ten years dude with the blacks and the others Right and the South Side is are cooler, you know,

obviously I'm a little biased, like I was linked up with them in jail and everything. But- Are there any obvious differences? Yeah, the Southsiders are probably, they have more money, like they're more well connected with the drug trade, they wear blue, they're a little bit cleaner,

they're a little bit, they have their own thing going, whereas the N the Nortonios are more like black like they kind of like imitate the black gangs and and they were red and they're like a little bit more far me like they come from like Central Valley and all that whereas like I can't think of like a famous South cider guy but like, you know clean-cut Mexican do Yeah, like somebody would see in a movie in LA. Yeah. Yeah, like the high socks and like, you know, Cholo Mexican do. Yeah, like somebody would see in a movie in LA. Yeah, yeah, with like the high socks and like, you know, Cholo Fitness, that kind of shit. So, it's crazy, like the fitness, dude, like he get, you were detox, you were little when you went in, right?

I weighed 131 like seven days after I went in. So I probably went in at like 125. And then it's just push-up city. And you got big. It's just burpees and push-ups. Yeah, so, cause like, they're we, you have to work out because the Mexicans are your allies. And so the next week, yeah, you can't be weak cause who's getting the good end of that deal, like 18 white dudes linking up with 40 Mexican.

So, um, just staring at the yard one day, this is going to hurt. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, so anyway, so they, they didn't care. The Nazis didn't care. Cause they looked at me and they're like you don't look like Middle Eastern or anything and I was like No, I mean, I'm not I'm half Irish and and so they were like, alright, you're fine

And it was just like you dodge the beating dodge the beat and they're like we're not about hate man We just don't want you to like have sex with our sisters Like we're just not into like there were they were super not even racist. Yeah yeah they aren't it's crazy David Duke just went on the hodge twins podcast and was saying the same shit he's like do I say the n-word oh yeah oh yeah no that was you'd get beat down if you said the n-word are you serious oh yeah cuz that would cause a problem any disrespect to other races is like the number one thing so like you're starting shit yeah I didn't know that like we had our first white meeting and we go into the shower we have our

first white meeting and I'm like you're still fucked up yeah I'm like I'm like 131 detoxing and I'm just told him I'm German and we have the meeting I'm like finally we're out from away from those fucking animals out there I'm like trying to pretend to be racist and John John is like this huge Nazi and he's like hey like you got to calm down Finally breathe And then he was like that's your first warning like I don't want to hear any hate out of you like like this I mean you can't you got 18 people yeah, so So they were super cool

And then like and then it becomes kind of like they became obsessed with me because they're like we've never really seen a Jew before Like what's up? Like what kind of powers do you have? Yeah? Gardein's got his boy. I met in New York, and I we started talking and he was like Jews are mad He's Jewish. He's like we're magical and like he had a whole thing where I was like damn. Okay. Well, that's an ego We're magical. And he had a whole thing where I was like, damn. Okay, well that's an ego. I mean, I'm not into that. God's chosen people.

I don't think we're special. Everyone's, I respect everybody equally. That shit's kinda crazy, but. Like a true packer would. Yeah. Sorry, you know what I mean? It's a story. That's your only worry.

That's my worry. No, but we, you know, I gotta start checking people because we got a bad reputation right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Some of you, you know, so. right now. So I wasn't trying to play that up, but they play it up. Out of, they're like, what's going on? Can you make a phone call?

Can you get me out of here? They're like, what are you doing? Imagine the theories are coming up in their head, who you might be connected to. Because they're just like, what are you doing here? Doesn't your uncle own the prison like can't you? What do you think of the prison system? What would you change? You happy enough with the food and the clothes and the food shitty

But the kosher meals pretty damn good, you know, so which is not fair. What would you put it on par with in the outside world? Standard some like a summer camp where you can get your ass beat. No, I mean the grub situation. Stofers or worse. There's no salt. It's like it's worse than stove. I mean, it's like dog food. Oh Jesus. Is it the big house out there? Is that the company or they have a different one in LA? Uh, they got Bob Barker owns the company. Yeah. What? Yeah. You get like toothbrushes that say Bob Barker on it. Yeah. That's like a famous thing. Yeah. That's company. Yeah. What? Yeah, you get like toothbrushes that say Bob Barker on it. Yeah, that's like a famous thing.

Yeah. That's crazy, dude. Yeah. There's a whole prison system where people are making a fortune off of it. Yeah, the one in PA just has the big house and they have triathlete trailers that go in and out all day long.

It's big money, like a ramen soup is one, $1.10. Damn, that's expensive. So yeah, yeah, so like a bag of coffee, like a little tiny bag of coffee is like six bucks. I mean, everything's just really expensive. One thing in your book, you're talking about like trading bag of coffee, like a little tiny bag of coffee is like six bucks. I mean, everything's just really expensive. One thing in your book, you're talking about trading meals for money. Like, how did, what do you just go hungry?

What do you mean? Like it was like, you'd save up like so many soups, like soups are like money. Soup, soup is a dollar. So that's like your currency. Soups are their money. So you like bring your wallet around, you have like a trash bag with soups

and they call it your wallet. It's a bag of soup. So you like go to the poker table. They have salt in them. They have salt in them. So it's kind of a Columbus situation. You know, it's like Columbus times where salt is worth money. You're a spice trader.

These are the, are these like the cups? No, these are the squares. The squares, okay. So you carry your wallet around and you can go buy wares, you know. So like you, I trade my meal for like four soups One soup buys three lunches Three three bag lunches. You're immediately loophole this place. Yeah. Yeah, and then also there's store so you can buy like Rice and beans you can buy like Vienna sausage. You can buy all this shit

So you don't have anybody in the outside putting money in your books? I you don't remember anyone's phone number except like your best friends from like third grade. Yeah, right. So I'm just calling my friends from, because that's like before I had a cell phone. So I just remember my best friends from third grade's phone numbers. So I call them and obviously they don't pick up.

Yeah. So no, no one's giving me money. Did everybody back home know you were fucked up? Like. Yeah, everyone from like high school and my family. How's that feel? Yeah, they all knew. They just, they were like, you know, what

are they supposed to, I mean, at first people would like try to help me and like, I mean, for you, like, how's that feel for you? Oh, you feel like a complete outsider. You feel like you're completely alone. I mean, you feel like you get spiritual about it. You're like, God is like punishing me. You feel like Job and all that. And like, you know, you didn't have a prayer with those. Yeah. Well, they were good people, but yeah, like, you go. Yeah. I mean, I'm not saying they're bad people, but of course. Yeah. But, uh, yeah, it was rough with that. It wasn't set up for, but listen, the thing is like, you got to take the, the adversity, you know, and you got to like weapon it. Yeah, you know or not weaponize it But you can utilize like imagine having just imagine having like a cushy life as a that would fuck you up You know imagine. Oh, yeah, it's we're all perfect. Yeah, it would we'd be lame. Sure, you know, so yeah

I think you would be I think you would be weird you'd be aware that I'm getting older Yeah, yeah. You know. That's the people who change the way they talk when they see poor people and shit. Yeah. That and you think they like don't understand, they can't handle like fucking shit. Yeah.

See people like when they start freaking out about little shit. They did a study about that and it was either like Brown or Yale. They brought the valedictorian in the middle of New York with a map. Oh, I remember this, yeah. And were like, dude, get out.

And she freaked the fuck out and cried. Had a meltdown. You could have done it no done a no problem probably came out with some money I'm wondering how much of it is the meth and how much of it was just in there in the all spark you know what I mean yeah I don't know but like just like when like your plane gets delayed yeah I don't know I don't flip out if my plane gets canceled I'm like all right I'll figure it out you know I've taken Greyhounds from San Francisco to Miami like Like bus life is running. How long is that?

Like five days. What do you do? Sleep on the bus? You like have to change buses like 40 times. He took a bus to go see his dad. He ended up, dude, his dad was fucked up. His dad ends up in Florida and then he took a bus to Florida. Yeah.

I've taken a bus to Florida from where? It's like from Oakland. Yeah. Oakland. My buddy tried to fucking run away one time. He took a bus, tried to get to San Diego. I caught with a bus to Florida from where it's like from from Oakland. Yeah, Oakland my buddy tried to fucking run away one time He took a bus try to get a San Diego caught with a sold-off shotgun It's crazy. There's a fucking wild movie dead. Well, it's a crazy because Greyhound is like you don't need an ID So it's like I never had obviously never had an ID, you know, so my dad would be like like, you know

I'll buy you a bus ticket. What are they doing jail when you don't have an ID? I don't know. They like just figure out who you are. I mean, you just tell them who you are. That's fucking yeah, I just tell them who I mean, I'm not, you know, yeah, I don't mind going to every time I went to jail is usually for like three days. And to be honest, I was like, I'm down to like, chill lay down. Yeah. That's like a loading screen.

Yeah. And plus you get sick you get dope sick Which means that when you get out you're gonna get really high. Oh my god So you like deplete your tolerance so you're like I could use like a three-day break When did it all like the fentanyl and shit come out was that hitting you like at the at the end or I got sober in? 2018 and that is pretty much when fentanyl went full force. I did have a run in Florida one time in like 2016 where I was doing fentanyl, but I didn't know it was fentanyl. So what the fuck does that feel like? I would,

so I was like a heroin addict and then I go to Florida and then I have to go to Miami to the ghetto and like buy, buy heroin. And they're telling me it's heroin. And I started doing it and I'm like, I can't like, I couldn't drive home with heroin. It just shuts you down, right? Yeah. Like shut me down. And I was like, what the fuck like I can't like I couldn't drive home With heroin you just shut you down, right? Yeah, like shut me down and I was like what the fuck I can't even drive so and then you just wake up in like a different part of Miami and you're just walking around And I mean you blackout your dad do any of that. Did he see any of that? My dad? My dad got sober in 2011, but then relapsed one time in like 2021 or something and it was fentanyl and he overdosed.

I fell for you when you went to the halfway house and all those dudes were friends with your dad. Yeah, yeah, that was fucked up because I went to a halfway house with like 50 guys. It was like an apartment complex and my dad had already been there so he was like the dad of the halfway house. Oh, where was this? This was in Florida. Damn. So like I was kind of like, I was his son, but at the same time I was like 30th in line to get into know him.

Yeah. These guys got like a head start on getting to know him. And yeah, it was just complicated. But yeah, when I went down there, I did fentanyl, I overdosed, I shot a dime bag of it, woke up in the hospital with nothing in my pockets. This guy Steve Sherman took me to the hospital took everything out of my pockets and threw me out of his car.

And then he came back and he was like, Hey, I took all your shit in case you died. But you're here. Here's gave it back. Wow, dude. That's honorable. That's a good associate my life. Steve Sherman saved my life. He's a good man. Wow. But that's just junky math. It's like, you're not going to need that. No, yeah.

Makes complete sense. Yeah, it's cool, man. It's a wild story. I hope people buy your book. Yeah, man. Listen, please get the book. If you can't afford it, I'm not greedy. I'll send you a PDF if you can't afford it.

But if you can, please buy it. Audiobook coming out in February. They won't let me read it. What is with that? I auditioned to read it. I mean, your voice is like fucking smooth. Yeah, we're fine. I think my voice is fine.

And I wrote it. So it's like, I know. You should just do it yourself, man. Well, it's like a legality thing. It's like, you know, it's hot. You're German, do it yourself man. Well, it's like a legality thing It's like, you know, you know, it's hot, you know, you're German. That's how they treat This is how the Germans treat the Germans It's crazy, but yeah, they're like we own the rights to it. We don't like your voice We want to hire this guy to do it don't like your voice man. Yeah, it's crazy. That's fucking fury

What do you think the best place was to just be fucking running around? That's fucking fury. What do you think the best place was to just be fucking running around? I love LA LA is just it's the shit you can commit crime I mean this is like as from the minds mindset of like a drug addict LA is like the thing about the LAPD is like they will always retain some amount of respect like they Sort of enforce the law like Oakland does not have a police department. Yeah, like they don't have a police chief They haven't had a police chief in two years So is it like a city or Oakland's a city and they don't have a police chief They do not have a police chief cheese, but they do not have I they don't have a we have a little city next to Philadelphia

Called Chester and they can't get cops Nobody wants to be a cop. Yeah, you know, you also said you fucking live with the whistle-tip guy. I did live with That's crazy. Yeah Yeah, I ended up renting a rub is a bub rub Yeah, so I ended up in this like renting a room in West Oakland and there's a guy on the couch and it's it's bub rub And he's like, yeah, is he just doing it the whole time? No This is ten years later. So it's kind of sad very good. So he's like they're making a diet They're gonna make a documentary man. I'm gonna get paid like let me get can I get ten bucks?

Like they're gonna make a documentary like and you're like, you know, I'm a fucking heroin addict I can't give you ten dollars, but but I take him to go he sold heroin that was really bad, but I'd take him to East Oakland and and you know he'd break me off heroin and he was a decent dude. That's fucking sick. Every dollar's a prisoner dude. Was there any getting used to like Skid Row? Like oh yeah you want what's it like what does it feel like day one in your head when you're like what the fuck? I would imagine it's gotta be like an adventure. Yeah is it? It's gotta feel great. Like here we go, brother. Yeah, it's incredibly scary, especially being like a smaller white man.

Like it's not, you know, you don't have a lot of guys in your team, but then eventually when they- Experience a lot of racism? Yeah. Actually? I mean, I got sucker punched probably 20 times, jumped by multiple people.

Just because it's color of your skin. We're in 2020. It's not because- I wouldn't say it was the color of my skin. I would say they would like, it's color scan we're in 2020 I wouldn't say it was the color of my skin I would say they would like here's a white boy we even know it well first of all homeless people are shorter on average I mean have you noticed have you see all the kinds of like it depends on their upbringing I really I really do you think it's hard for tall people to be not successful like David's in looking homeless guy. No, not really.

This guy's getting scooped up. So I know if you just think about it now, when you see homeless guys, just, you know, chart the height, start doing an average. There's only a certain type person that live under underpants. It's probably where the bridge troll thing. We like bridges. Yeah, but you guys can hide in places. But it wasn't racism. It was like, here's a white boy. He's probably at a sober living. He's probably from Indiana. He's here at a rehab. He's just coming down here to get high. He probably has 40 bucks in his pocket. That's kind of a target.

Yeah, it's a target. But once they see you and they realize like this white boy is crazy and he lives down here with us, they're totally cool. They totally respect you. Everyone gets along that there's no color on skid row. Once they realize that you're down there. So that's when shit starts rolling and you're like, okay, I'm getting into the, I'm operating. Like, is it like gangs? There's like, well, see, this is the thing. Like there's a lot of gangs in LA, but if you get too whacked out on meth, they like kick you out of the gang.

And then you end up on skid row and you still try to rep that gang but if you're in a gang you're living in a tent so that's like those Mexican dudes that I wound up with that were Southsiders like they weren't they were ex Southsiders yeah condemned to the you know Leopard Island of skid row but like your inner world like your inner psychology or whatever Yeah, looking back on it like when you're on skid row Do you have like hopes and dreams and like do you fall in love like what's good like what's going on? Mentally often are you in pussy never never? What is the I'm trying to imagine what it's like to just like what what do you think of like what's going on?

Well, okay. Well just a side note a few times I go to the bars and I'd like put on like my cool. Yeah, like jacket or something So you're going out and get not pussy but like get invited back to a girl's apartment when she was drunk and like try to Fuck her but you're on heroin. So you can't get hard. She hard She falls asleep you steal the MacBook you leave sure so that happened a few times Yeah, but so that when I was in my Justin Bieber phase I could still sort of pull that off but um terms of your dreams First of all, there's a lot of like once you're successful on skid row, especially if you look like me You're proud. I mean you're like like, damn, I could do this. I can go shoplift, I can make $300 a day.

It feels like superpower. Yeah, and then your aspirations are like, okay, I'm gonna get SSI, I'm gonna get that Section 8, and I'm gonna live the dream for the rest of my life. Like, that's your dream. Is there like, is that like the favela, and then there's people in the Section 8 that like look down at the favela?

Yeah, so there's like kind of these towers, and it's like, that's the homeless housing. And like, that's like, then there's people in the section eights that like look down at the favela. Yeah so there's like kind of these towers and it's like that's the homeless housing and like that's like so this is intense. I was yeah most of the people are in tents but then like the lucky few after years of waiting get into the housing and then you just get to be king of the crackheads. I mean you could you have like an apartment you can sell it you can rent it out you can get high for the rest of your life for free because people just want to hang out in the apartment. Where Matt used to live in Philly it's like one of the richest

neighborhoods that we have and then down the hill is the Parkway and then remember when they started trying to set up the tent city? I used to lay on my air horn. People were like five in the morning. Kind of cheering this on in a way right? It was like the Chess. Yeah it's like everyone's like all about this and then we right behind that neighborhood is the North Philly so then it was like immediately drugs someone got stabbed yeah and then they shut down the lake we had that we had tasted that for a minute then they're building the little tiny homes in Philly too yeah they're trying to but like isn't there

people in on Skid Row with like some swanky pads There's people with swanky pads that are so fucked up. They don't even live in them what they can't get to the pad Like once again if you're if you're living there what's like level one crib on skid row tent or tarp? Well, I think Back in my day in 2011, you couldn't keep a tent erected at past like 6am. Yeah, you have to drive around and break it down. Yeah. By 2015, they stay they're like, okay, you can leave the tent erect. Now you can leave the tent erect and pull power from the you know, that's fucking crazy. People are building like they have like, fuck, that's what I'm saying. I saw dudes have

like, double you walk in like two floors some like it's like hot two floors I don't know they people build them out of what do you call those like the forklift? What about pal? Houses with two floors like a big-screen TV a kitchen like there's people living down there I mean, I mean, I'm not at all fetishized and that's a glorifying I mean, I'm not at all fetishized in this or glorifying this, but No, not at all. I'm just very curious. If this gets boring too, just tell us to stop. I just got questions about this shit.

No, no, this is amazing. If you wake up, this is just a weird question, but like, say during the week, can you wake up, get your fixes and go to sleep or whatever? Or are you just on like, and like have a successful day and then wake up and do it again or are you on like a four day bender and then you respond somewhere with okay with meth. It was four day bender respawn wake up with a staph infection right end up with a gun to your head. Like it was like Sonic losing all of his rings. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Heroin and crack

was where I got my you were having regular day. Yeah, okay. I was programming like I was Dude, it sounds amazing It's fucked up, but it sounds like you are getting there's times where you're making more than I was making as a trash truck driver So oh I made I made more back then than I make I mean I don't have a job right now Yeah, you know when I had a job I mean, I just broke like I'm making more than when I was homeless on skid Row Holy cuz you're making $300 a day on to me, man

You're pretty freshly sober. Do you ever get like you get worried you're gonna fucking relapse not really cuz I It's like a you hit a point where like the pain outweighs the pleasure. It would just be so gay to do it Yeah, and then you hit a point where it's like there is literally no pleasure Like I don't get happy when I do like by the end I wasn't I literally just wake up missing a body part like the last two times. You want to talk about that for a second?

Yeah. So your books called Kirk is smile. I mean, spoiler alert, I kind of want everybody to just read it. Maybe read it and then listen to this podcast. But I mean, very smart. You chewed your fucking face off.