Watch What Crappens - #1672 RHOSLC: The Zionic Woman

Episode Date: January 18, 2022

The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City go on a trip to Zion in the Sprinter Van From Hell, where Mary misses a drum circle and Whitney tries to have an angry scene. Find all of our premium bon...us episodes at https://patreon.com/watchwhatcrappens, and for those of you who can't make the 2022 Golden Crappies Awards in-person this year, experience it live digitally from the comfort of your own home at momenthouse.com/wwc See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:01:40 because it's less than two weeks away. I mean, we're leaving next Wednesday. Next week to go to New York City. I mean, it's next dogs and bangles and liza. We are making our Broadway debut. Technically, town hall is a Broadway house. So this is no, it's on Broadway, but it's not technically a Broadway house. No, they, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, yeah, it's apparently I mean feel free to correct us if we're wrong because you know if our podcast is known for anything it's known for its strident accuracy at all times. I don't know. I'll just go on record saying I don't think it is, but Ronnie refuses his Broadway
Starting point is 00:02:37 destiny. Well, you don't want to pay for yourself to be on Broadway. You know what I'm saying? It's down to all of Broadway theater. So anyway, so we are going there. We're very excited for the crappies. Okay. There are going to be so much fun. A lot of podcasters joining us. It's going to be a super fun night. Right music. You know, got Katie and Walter, the crappers. Yeah, it's just going to be so much fun. So come to that, guys. There's a few tickets left for that. The next night we are in Asbury Park, New Jersey. Then I, that for that, we're in Boston. And we can finally announce what we will be recapping
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Starting point is 00:05:21 It just leaves me like, oh my God. And this one, this Zion, the Zion episode begins in a crazy space and it is, it continues to be crazy for the full hour. It really does. And in true house-wife fashion, it goes from screaming and almost killing each other. The comments I'm reading on the internet all week have been, you know, was Whitney pushing Lisa into the fighter, which she pulling Lisa back. And, you know, all this, like, who's it fault? And people, you know, going at each other, I mean, mostly it's Jen, like we all know. But everybody, you know, housewives fighting fan fighting and stuff. And then, of course, in two seconds,
Starting point is 00:05:59 it's like, I love you. That's why. And then it's it's. So, you know, these, you know, these ladies understand the assignment for sure. Yeah, it is out of control. So the episode begins on this bus design. And so Jen and Lisa are having a spiet. Jen is drunk and she is just looking for a reason to be like the victim again. So she is, she wants Lisa to basically stand up for her the way that Lisa stands up for Meredith because Jen is feeling like no one stands
Starting point is 00:06:34 up for her. So she's like, I'm asking you, would you have forked me the same thing? And she's like leaning over into like the party bus space. And Lisa's like, yes, yes, no, you're not. You have a hell to say, but you're not. Meaning Meredith Marx. And Lisa's like, you know what? I don't even care. She goes, I'm not me, I'm not me. You don't care about me.
Starting point is 00:06:58 And Lisa's like, no, I'm not saying that. You're not even understanding what I'm saying. And then Jim just starts going, say it right now. You say it. I am out. I am out of here. If you don't say it's like she's trying to shoot flies with double pistols in her hands. Be on, be on, be on, be on. You say it right now. I love her saying she's out like they're on, you're on a bus going 60 miles per hour on a highway. Where are you going out to? You know,
Starting point is 00:07:24 just crazy person threatening to leave You know, she's like, Oh, I'm a crazy person threatening to leave. Oh, no. Oh, no, please don't leave. You're making this so enjoyable. I know you're making this such a pleasant ride. So she's like, what about all the shit that I've been through?
Starting point is 00:07:38 I'm like, I just love that that's just her go to for anything. If I said to you, Ronnie, like, hey, you know what, I really have been enjoying lately peanut butter cups. Like keep getting them at the supermarket. You're like, what about what I'm gonna get the supermarket? What about what I'm going through? I'm talking about peanut butter cups. Yeah, every time you call a narcissist out on what they're doing, they always say, but what about me? What about me? Yeah, I'm sure spending all that stolen old
Starting point is 00:08:03 people money was really difficult. Okay, it looks difficult. You look like a Christmas tree at Liberace. As it was left out on the goddamn sidewalk on trash pickup day on December 28th. You think Liberace gets rid of his Christmas trees that quickly? I don't think so. Can you keep some up for like a month and they're probably like petrified and whatever. So, Leah says like, Jen, Jen, I can't go backwards. I cannot go backwards. She says, well, thank you for not going backwards.
Starting point is 00:08:34 Just you and I have talked and just like, ah, so she goes and sits next to Shane, who's one of the producers on one side of the bus. She's like, shut the fuck up! She's, oh fine, well that's telling me to shut the fuck up. That's his baddest one, everyone has his talent. And then Jink gets up and comes out her with her do-do nail. And she's like, oh, was it?
Starting point is 00:08:56 Is it his baddest one? Mary M Cosby and your friend of 10 years fit to you? Is it? What did Mary M Cosby do to Lisa? Nothing. What did Mary do to Lisa? Ain't nobody doing anything to Lisa? Jen, shut up.
Starting point is 00:09:09 Sit down. I guess she's saying how they have a band. I guess Jen's trying to say that those girls have a band to Lisa, but Lisa still stands up for them or something like that. So Lisa, now Lisa does this thing. She's sort of like, she goes into Lisa Hulk mode. She's, I'm shutting the fuck down right now.
Starting point is 00:09:26 Don't, don't get out of my face. Get out of my face. Fresh wolf, fresh wolf, fresh wolf. Because it can't be said enough. Now Jen is standing over as sitting Lisa with her finger in her face, you know, trying to get Lisa to do something. And Lisa does do more than I ever thought, you know, she's like, she starts screaming me back.
Starting point is 00:09:44 So now Jen is crawling over Jenny to get to Lisa with the finger in the face. And she's like, literally nothing. She's just the least sitting there watching us all unfold. Jenny, basically in this scene is one of those dish washing mats you put on the floor for your feet to be comfortable. Like she's just standing, you know, she's just looking kind of there to make your work more comfortable, basically. So, So, Jenna's crawling over her, getting the finger in the face and screaming, talk to your friend like that, talk to your friend like that, and now Lisa gets up and now they're in each other's face. And then Whitney pulls back Lisa, and I watched it 10 times for
Starting point is 00:10:19 anybody who's like, did she pull her back or trying to get her to invite more, or was she trying to hold her hands still so people could kick Lisa's ass. No, she was trying to pull her back. And then screaming, screaming, yelling, yelling, yelling, and Lisa's like, oh, you know what? Come on, then you want to fuck me up and fuck me up? Go ahead. Do it.
Starting point is 00:10:38 And then Jen goes, you came at me. You came at me. Now, Jen shot. Come on, Jen shot, come on Jen Shaw. This is a sneak preview of what her trial is gonna be like. It's like Jen Shaw, you have been accused of defrauding 35 old people. They came at me, they came at me. I was just sitting there with old barn refee and those old people called me ever harassing me.
Starting point is 00:11:03 I'm the victim. Yes. So the producer throws Jen on the chair, right? Because the producers having to break them up, the sport lady. So she puts her in a seat away from everybody else. And Whitney's going, Lisa, stop. Do not go over there.
Starting point is 00:11:19 And Jenny, because everyone needs to know what Jenny thinks right now, right? So Jenny's like, I grew up in Long Beach. So I know what to do, grease my hair, take off my earrings. Let's go, let's do it. And Jenny's just yelling, your friend is a piece of shit! Jenny is acting as if she is so tough.
Starting point is 00:11:38 She's literally so passive in this moment. She's like, she's not telling, yelling at them to stop or whatever. She's like, she sort of stands up a little bit, but she's just so funny to interview. She's like, like, oh, yeah, you got to take your earrings off of your hair and your ponytail. I'm like, Jenny, you exhibited absolutely zero of that on this bus. Yeah. So Lisa's yelling, they married it, not me. And fuck you for saying that. And so Jim springs up again. And you know, she's being held back while she's kicking
Starting point is 00:12:05 and just like she's shooting the flies and going crazy. Oh my gosh so then Jen tells us now in your diary room that's where you say you've seen the footage and now you're saying this is what was going through my mind. Jen still doesn't think anything was wrong. After all this time like Jen never even wakes up thinking wow that was a little much you you know. She's like, listen, if you don't give a damn about me, but you do about Meredith, fine, just tell me, because I don't feel that. You know what? I want to know who I'm with, like, who I'm fighting with, are going to battle for. And right now, I don't know what Lisa Barlow is about. She's the only person who is stuck up for you. You would have been kicked off the show last year.
Starting point is 00:12:45 Okay? Heather's like come around now to be your Watterdie for a reason nobody really can understand. But the only reason you're even back on this show is because Lisa is still talking to you. Like, she takes every hand that feeds her and doesn't only buy it, she cuts it off and buys it new rings and it takes the rings off
Starting point is 00:13:03 and wears them herself. Like, she's terrible. She's so... It also like doesn't really make sense. I mean, the whole genesis of this argument is Gen Shop feeling, I think it's that Gen Shop feels like there is a double standard when the way Lisa... I think Gen feels like Lisa always comes down on her harder but then like is forgiving to Meredith.
Starting point is 00:13:23 Maybe I think that's what this is. And now she's saying like, well, I don't know where I stand with her. I'm like, I just feel like she has just a lot of emotions that aren't really like, she's trying to create some sort of coherent argument about why she's the victim in this situation, but there's like no such, there's no victim here. And Lisa is an older friend with Meredith.
Starting point is 00:13:43 So of course, she's gonna be more forgiving with Meredith. So like it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, it's not really, like going after, you know, verbal solving the designer. And she also gave Jen the cold shoulder after she got arrested.
Starting point is 00:14:07 But if anything, Lisa has actually sacrificed her. Jen's making it sound like she's coming at her for all of this stuff, but she has. Lisa's not. And actually, Lisa has sacrificed more because she is basically sacrificed her friendship with Meredith to be like friendly with Jen. So anyway, Lisa's yelling.
Starting point is 00:14:26 She's like, I didn't do it to you. Meredith did it. Meredith did it. So yeah, and Heather's kind of like, next time this group has a girl strip again, I'm flying private. She's like, whatever alliance, Meredith, and Merrin, I would like to be part of,
Starting point is 00:14:41 because I will chant whatever they want around this, around the boiling cauldron. I just don't want to ride on a sprinter band again. I just don't want to do it. Yeah, but you guys start this, Heather. You and Whitney sit there together coming up with your little Heather does too. Heather stays quiet and lets Whitney do the dirty work. But Heather has, you know, Heather's always calling everybody else from manipulative, but
Starting point is 00:15:02 she goes and gets Whitney all worked up. And Whitney gets herself worked up too. But Heather helps stoke that fire. And then she just sits back and watches and then says things like, I can't believe there's so much fighting. I know. These people are ridiculous. Am I right?
Starting point is 00:15:15 I mean, they hatched like a crazy conspiracy theory that Mary and Meredith somehow were the ones that brought this entire federal case against Jen. And then they're surprised when Jen is going nuts on Meredith later. Right. So there's nowhere to go on this mess obviously and Jen is not winning this argument. She looks like a fucking idiot. Okay. So now what does she do?
Starting point is 00:15:35 Screaming and crying more, you know. She just basically speaks in all caps. She's like, you know what I'm going through right now. And starts going on about how she can't see her parents or grandkids. Her kids, my children, they talked off of us. My wife always free fills my water. I'm not going to see my kids go to prom. And when he's like, Jen, Jen, we are trying to have your back right now,
Starting point is 00:16:04 which in my way, what are you trying to have her back and why where did this come from? So Jan is like, you want to know why? Why they don't have anything on me because there's nothing. Oh, this shit is not just a coincidence. Somebody Miriam Cosby and Meredith fucking did something you do two fucking understand that. This is my fucking life. This is my life. This is my kids. This is my top golf. Okay.
Starting point is 00:16:29 This is me. You, girl. Meredith, the marks can't even get a feather to stay on the jacket. You think she can talk Homeland Security and to come and down on somebody for no reason? And who said they don't have anything on you? They've got plenty on your ass. Okay, just simmer down over there.
Starting point is 00:16:48 I don't see Meredith Marx being a very good witness for Homeland Security, because it would basically go like this, Miss Marx, you said you received a phone call from Jen Shaw on the night of December 3rd. Well, I can't really confirm what I did or did not receive. And honestly, I'm not sure I'm in an emotional state to answer this question, Doshka. So please leave my family out of this. Miss Marksworth and I need some more evidence about the accusation.
Starting point is 00:17:19 You know what, an avid amount? I've got physical ribbon avid amounts, it says. Brooks Brooks marks, just put it on your little appellate ring. Nope, no, man, no actual evidence pointing to a crime. Hi, is Miss Duska there with Homeland Security? I'd like to report some terrorism. Yes, this is Duska. Okay, God, on the night of December 3rd, my son was the victim of domestic
Starting point is 00:17:47 terrorism when the Santa for Shaw liked a re-tweet. There you have it. Smoking them. So she's screaming, you know, this is my life beating her chest. These are my kids. And those were people's grandparents that you totally fucked over and stole from. Things you should think about before you commit crimes. Jesus. So Whitney said, if what you are saying is true, that is beyond fucked. Because of course Whitney is spreading this around. Whitney is so clunky.
Starting point is 00:18:22 I mean everyone's clunky on this show with the way they manipulate, but the way she just takes that and just runs with it. So she's like, that is beyond f**k, but we don't know yet. We need to act. We need to find out. And she's like, but I can't take anymore. I would be as acting like she said,
Starting point is 00:18:41 the Washington Post about to break into Pentagon, you know, finding the finding like Richard Nixon And dining condemning files So Lisa's like listen listen Jen Jen. I'm coming over. Okay. I'm coming over coming over to your side of the boss Okay, when I said I worry about Jen. I mean worry about Jen Jen Shaw Jen. That's you Yeah, you know what? I'm coming over there to help you. And the production person is like, oh god.
Starting point is 00:19:10 Here, I have a big Mac. I have a big Mac big one over there. Okay. Now, and she tells us, you know, I like Jen for who she is. Do I like that she almost ripped my hat off right now? No. Do I like that she just asked me to take sides? No.
Starting point is 00:19:23 Do I like that she eats green things that come out of the ground, gruff? But you know what, she's broken, and she's hiding. And right now she doesn't need to feel heard and loved. Right now she needs to go to God damn jail. I suppose sick of people leading to be heard and loved. You committed a crime, okay? And this is the worst part of the trial
Starting point is 00:19:40 is the witness testimony. It's like, sir, you just murdered 19 people. And they're like, my child, my child, my mom's fault. No, you're killer. Okay, sir. So Lisa's like, Jen, I got you. I told you that. I told you that. I'm not perfect. I told you that. I'm just gonna say I told you that over and over again. I've been here for you. I told you that. I love you. I don't want this for you. And I don't want it for Omar. I told him that. And then I told you that over and over again. I've been here for you. I told you that. I love you. I don't want this for you. And I don't want it for Omar.
Starting point is 00:20:06 I told him that and then I told you that. Okay, or for Sheree. I don't. If anyone did this intentionally to you and if they told you about that, before I told you about that, they are sick. Okay, I am sorry that I hurt you by telling you that.
Starting point is 00:20:18 And I have never wanted to hurt you but I did want to tell you that. And if I have to kick the shit by telling you that out of me for you to tell me that, then I can tell you that. And if I have to kick the shit by telling you that out of me for you to tell me that, then I can tell you that and you can and I don't want to go away that way, not with us and I just told you that. And by the way, now Lisa is having her own
Starting point is 00:20:34 weird physical assault thing, but it's not beating somebody. It's getting two inches from their face and be like, you know what, I told you, okay, that's what I told you. I'm like with her big Mac breath right in the face. That's secret sauce breath. Yes. Is that thousand island dressing? My kids might never have thousand dollars dressing with me again. It's a variation on special sauce. I told you that.
Starting point is 00:21:05 I told you that. So, um, so, chance like, okay, I'll stay and Heather's like, well, good news, because you're not getting a new bar out here. By the way, should we bring up the Uber storyline? Oh, we'll wait on that one. Okay, we'll wait on that one. She's literally giving Whitney cues to go next. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:26 Yeah, that was literally a sign Whitney. Whitney now asked this question, but when he's like, oh my god. So then Heather is like, you want some popcorn? And Jen's like, I can't have a hot dog. And Heather's like, OK, well, we're going to go out and do steps. And now everybody's like laughing in friends now.
Starting point is 00:21:46 And so Jenny's like, can we talk about rooms? And Whitney says, you know, by Jen can have the best room in the big house. Oh, I can do, I can do. Jen, I got you some glasses, and when we get to the big house, we can clink them. I also got you a pen. I'm really glad you were going.
Starting point is 00:22:17 I'm really glad you all came here once I got the details locked in. We're going to be friends for life. I just hope we can do some water sports. You know, hopefully someone has a, you know, like waterboard. What do you think? I just watched Orange is the new black. Oh, you weren't even trying, man. I'm so curious. So, now Jen has behaved like an absolute fucking monster. And so she gets the biggest room.
Starting point is 00:23:02 I mean, what the hell yeah so then we everything's fine and daddy so they pull up to this house and Whitney goes that the games begin. This is the hungry games what's happening. This is also after she once again was like remember last week when I was like La Cucaracha La Cucaracha I La Cucaracha. I'm like, oh gosh, stop doing, please, please stop doing like Cucaracha. Please. Yeah, she's like, guys, we really need to,
Starting point is 00:23:31 to bring the La Cucaracha and she's like, oh, that means cockroach. At least it wasn't my jail reference. So thank you. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, wait, new song, jailhouse rock. Oh. Oh. So they go in and the husbands have left an extremely boring note as they do.
Starting point is 00:23:51 I blame Dewey. Dewey or John, I think they're eager to use it. I don't believe that even left us no. I believe that some production assistant was tasked to write a note for that. You write a note just to say it's from the husbands. Well, it definitely looked like Real Housewives stationary, you know, like it had like gold diamond things, you know, around the border. I was like, wow, that is some rendez-carrom. Leave it by the phone case. Anybody sees it kind of bad.
Starting point is 00:24:17 It looked and the handwriting looks very much like a font handwriting when there's like a font that's like, this is handwriting, this is what handwriting looks like. That's what it looks like to me. So Jenny reads it, it's boring. And then they pop some champagne and not QV, by the way, I'm sure the QV people were very furious about that. You get what you pay for. I mean, sorry, QV, you had your moment in the sun.
Starting point is 00:24:40 Now it's over, and your cheese stinks, okay? So Jenny is dancing around and throws her champagne at Lisa. And Heather is like, I just have very little hope for this weekend to turn out how the men wanted it to. All this shit on the bus was just about Mary and Meredith and they haven't even showed up yet. I mean, what will this trip turn into? I almost wonder if they're late
Starting point is 00:25:05 because they are busy talking to homeland security. One never knows. So then... Do on. Do on. So then they're picking rooms and then Lisa calls up John. Hi, hey, hey, hey, Jennie.
Starting point is 00:25:21 How would you describe this room to John? She's like, oh, it's really insane. It's really insane. Yeah, okay, okay, new story. Okay, I thought Jen and I were gonna go to blows and I was like trying to push back and she'd like, was like, you just pushed me. It was like crazy, Jon.
Starting point is 00:25:38 What do you have to say about that, Jon? Isn't this exciting, Jon? He's like, you locked the soda in the refrigerator so I can't drink any. John, you're not drinking a thing. What do you think about that? I guess I should have been shopper running. Isn't John funny? He's so funny. I love that, John.
Starting point is 00:25:56 So then Heather and Whitney are whispering in another part of the house. And Heather's like, she is wasted right now. I mean, she has just been through so much alcohol. She's been through so much alcohol. I don't know, she has not been through so much. She has not been through Jack shit. It's called consequences. Madam.
Starting point is 00:26:14 So Heather is telling us at Jen's a mess and she hasn't seen her like this in a long time. And then we cut to Jen in her room. And Jen's just on the bed. We're doing like, she's rolling around on the bed and like fan kicking her. I have this. This was my favorite version of Jen shot was that one shot of her just like smiling and and doing the famous like Brooks Mark saw my vagina kick right to him. Like see I could do it to you and you don't care. Well, it's so funny that that vagina, that vagina kick is still a storyline.
Starting point is 00:26:48 And then there's a giant just laughing and kicking out. But I actually have to say that there was, there was this like moment in the episode that started around then and then continued. I think for me all the way through dinner until she started yelling at Meredith where I was like, Jen is enduring to me all the way through dinner until she started yelling at Meredith where I was like Jen is enduring to me all of a sudden like just that one like chunk of time because she was just drunk and smiling and having fun and just being ridiculous And I was like now this is a fun Jen. I would like this Jen, you know, but then she's a monster Yeah, yeah a lot of criminals were fun people. Okay. They're probably the most fun Yes, I would venture to say so.
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Starting point is 00:28:26 That's been commercial. So then please factfully send Shiny and please just like, you know what? I'm sick of having a hotspot. Clearly being nice doesn't work. No, it doesn't. So then Heather, um, I had her talking to Whitney and she's like,
Starting point is 00:28:43 Mary, the mayor coming here and they don't want to ride this Winter Van, well, guess what? You're sleeping in a room next to her. And I'm not going to go up there to better it for them so because they've heard of feelings. So they can deal with her. Okay, if they have time to deal with her, after they're so busy talking to FBI.
Starting point is 00:29:00 So then out by the pool, Whitney's out there talking to Justin on FaceTime. And she was like, Wow, Jen went at Lisa about having her back, and then it turned into a physical thing. And Lisa was trying to get out of my arms to fight Jen. Yeah, but tonight is my spiritual healer, Bettina. Yeah. And so Justin's like, uh, yeah, cool. Uh, by the way, babe, that might be my favorite swimsuit.
Starting point is 00:29:29 Cool, because isn't it one that you picked out? Huh? Huh? Huh? She's like, she's like, she's got her boobs in the, in the phone. She goes, suns out, guns out. I'm like, hmm. I don't know if she knows exactly what that phrase is supposed to allude to, but it's a good try. Get those bad sips in a bikini, all right. So Heather joins and Heather's like, wow, guys, I feel like I've joined into a celebrity death match tournament. Yeah. Yeah. That's her thing for the rest of the episode. Have you guys ever seen celebrity death match? Because it's like we just watched how they're just like sculling them celebrities. I know I was like wow you're elevating yourself That's quite an assumption. So then Jenny is getting her back spray and Lisa joins and now they're just gonna have fun
Starting point is 00:30:18 Right, so Lisa brings out some junk food and Heather goes wow Lisa does this reminds you of your days as a hooters girl. Was Lisa a hooters girl? Is that what I say? I guess so. I didn't, I didn't realize. I thought that was only reserved for Brittany on Vanderpump rules, but I guess Lisa did it too. Yeah. It's a circle of hooters. So Jenny is like, listen, I want you guys to know, I can't swim. So don't throw me in the pool, everybody.
Starting point is 00:30:42 Nobody throw me in the pool. I can't swim. It's a struggle with the pool. That's what happens when people scream So don't throw me in the pool, everybody. Nobody throw me in the pool. I can't swim. But just throw in the pool. That's what happens when people scream, don't throw me in the pool. Like you're begging somebody to throw you in the pool right now. Yeah, so then Lisa's like, Jennie, can I teach you how to swim?
Starting point is 00:30:56 She's like, no. So then Jennie, who does not want to be thrown in the pool, then gets on a precarious float. And so she's just lying on the, on the flow and everything. And then Jen Shaw comes out and Jen Shaw did not hear about the, the spiel. So then Jen Shaw tries to get on the floats. Now the float is all like wobbling.
Starting point is 00:31:13 And everyone just knows that Jen wants to throw Jenny into the pool. And they're like, Jen, do not throw Jenny in the pool. Don't throw her in the pool. Okay, you already have enough charges against you. Yeah, so Jen is just like wobbling around, standing on the floaty, like putting her vagina in the unicorn's mouth or whatever.
Starting point is 00:31:31 She's like, yeah! It's not gonna end well, but it does, it's fine. And then she's like, you know what, I'm gonna do? I'm gonna rip out my extension, and I'm gonna throw it at Lisa. And so she does, and it's like she's low-well. Yeah, because she actually, actually when Jen first came out, she tried to get on the float herself and just fell in the water.
Starting point is 00:31:51 And they're like, did you mean to get your hair wet? So she's like, I got glam. I got glam. And she said her answer to that was, I got glam. So it's okay. Really? I'm so sorry for your in debt having to move to a smaller place. You're so foolish.
Starting point is 00:32:04 I know, seriously. So then Meredith and Mary are arriving and Meredith's like, I'm Mary. What are you thinking? Tell me. It's just I'm thinking, I'm thinking, thinking, I don't personally want to know what Mary's thinking at any given moment because I feel like it's probably horrifying. I'll bet it sounds something like this.
Starting point is 00:32:27 Duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh,, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, I was I was like, I guess you just doing straight up collIPI I should've known better. I also like that your collIPI was sung by Whitney Can we start over No Whitney
Starting point is 00:33:02 We're not this. No, Whitney. No. So Whitney and Heather are getting dressed in the, you know, putting makeup on, doing their hair and stuff. And Whitney's like, we have been through so much. So I want everybody to wear night tonight to the spiritual healer, Bettina, because it means starting new. And I think it would also be super healing.
Starting point is 00:33:24 It's also what the cast of big love wears in the opening of their show to make sure they all go to the same planet when they die. Okay. So can we just get away from the all white? I mean, what people have to wear a long underwear out to the goddamn desert. Let it go. Whitney quits. Okay. Yeah. I mean, Whitney's relationship with new age spirituality is so, is, is just so tenuous and it's just funny every time she tries to interface with it because it's, she, she just takes nothing from it, you know, as evidenced by this episode, like she takes literally zero from what looks to be actually a very lovely ceremony that patina does.
Starting point is 00:34:02 She just takes, and so the fact that she just is in such a a huff about it is hilarious. So, so many people are like that with religion in general, right? It's like, you don't really follow it, but you wanna show people you're a good person. So she left one religion and now she's just picked up this one. It's like, this one took like sub in for her personality,
Starting point is 00:34:22 you know? Right, so then, right. So then some merit comes in. How is anybody home, any bath tubs I can go soak in for about eight hours? How out and others like, I wonder what Mary thinks about spiritual energy pillars and Whitney and I'm sorry, we're cutting between Whitney and Heather and Meredith and Mary, right? So they hear Meredith because I mean, how can you not? Like her chin is like bumping into doors so she passes by. So she's like, I mean, I mean, I don't want to talk to her right now, so that closer to her really slowly. I'm not ready to face them. It is easier to just hide.
Starting point is 00:35:10 And then, but of course Meredith comes into the room. She's like, how wow, but, but, you know, Heather can't, Heather doesn't want to be a bitch. So she's like, oh hi, we're just in the bathroom. And so then Meredith like opens the bathroom and then does that weird merit. Chuckle wish this. Oh, yeah. And Mary's just there chewing gum by the time. Yeah. So Mary does like how was that? And then they're like, well, you know, have you ever seen celebrity dot the match? Just in case they don't use the earlier reference.
Starting point is 00:35:44 I want to make sure to get that in there. Lisa, can we make sure that that's in the final? Thanks. It's a good one, guys. And Meredith goes, no, but I can only imagine that sort of television program. So Heather's like, well, Lisa and Jen got into a horrible physical fight. She goes, what? What are you mean?
Starting point is 00:36:06 And Heather's like, well, it was over Lisa being your friend. And she's like, oh gosh, and Mary says, oh my god. That scares me. Mary is into this fight when she finds out she's like, no, she's like, this is the one thing that like, the one thing that makes Mary talk to Heather and Whitney like, like friends, is hearing that there was a fight because otherwise she's like, she hates them, right? She doesn't want to talk to them, but when she hears this fight, so wait, tell me everything. So Mary is like, well, the last thing I wanted to do was be trapped on a sprinter ran for seven hours with women
Starting point is 00:36:46 who are getting into physical altercations, especially physical altercations that could have potentially hurt my little baby toddler, Brux, who was admittedly not there at all, but you never know if he might be hiding behind because it's my little baby, you know. So they leave and they're fine and then they close the door and Whitney's like little baby, you know. So they leave and they're fine. And then they close the door and went and he's like, wow, they are just so happy. And they're like, yeah, they afforded the trauma we went through of that many commercial breaks
Starting point is 00:37:14 on celebrity death match. I mean, it's like, I love son. I love son, I'm excited about this. This is a beautiful mother's ticket, but man, I missed that flight. Wish I would've been there. Wish. I'm excited about this. Uh, this is a beautiful mother's ticket, but, uh, man, I missed that flight. Wish I would have been there. Wish I could have seen that flight. Oh, man. Yeah. So then they're both quiet in the bathroom, and the Whitney goes to spray her hair,
Starting point is 00:37:33 and she sprays it and Heather's like, Ah! They both screamed. They're just startled by, by aerosol. She's like, I'm sorry, I'm on edge. I'm on edge. I'm truly a Robert seeing Mit Gainer come at me. That's how I feel right now. That's how I feel. I'm Julia Roberts. After she's had a large jewelry box closed on her fingers. I'm on edge. I'm on edge. So then Meredith and Mary are looking for bedrooms because they get last pick, obviously. And then Jen is just drunk
Starting point is 00:38:08 in the bathroom. Heather and Whitney are like, hey, come to this party thing. She's just drunk and make it pasties, laughing, falling over. She's having the best times. So Whitney is now getting into a tizzy because the ceremony needs to be like a twilight dusk something another ceremony and so they need daylight and and they're running late and she's getting really really she's getting really antsy and so she's starting to like hire the woman along. I'm just gonna make sure that this is right. So you know what was cracking me up about this lady. So on this show, I always say, clear her like for Caroline Standberry,
Starting point is 00:38:49 like get her out of the way, clear the old woman. Well, that comes from absolutely fabulous. I love that sitcom. It's so good. And there was an episode where Eddie's friend, Bettina comes over. And Bettina was like this artsy girl and everything is white and clean surfaces.
Starting point is 00:39:06 Bettina likes clear surfaces, alright, get the soda off the surface. So it was just cracking me up this whole time. It's like an all white episode starring Bettina. And Bettina shows up and she's a mom now. And so all the cleanliness and anal is gone, you know, the baby's barfing everywhere. And it barfs on Adina and she's like look at this question Laquois Laquois baby spew Laquois baby spew so I just kept doing adfap lines for this entire episode
Starting point is 00:39:37 I love that this patina is like the exact opposite of anything that would be an adfap unless maybe she secretly isn't. So Eddie on that show is very into she's like a fake spiritual person you know like it opens up with her going. So it actually does. So yeah, so now they're gonna, the girls are all getting into the Sprinter Van to go see Bettina and Meredith and Mary are not ready yet because they just arrived. So what needs like knocking in Meredith's door? She's like, we have to go before the week, we need light, we need the light. I went out of my way to put this together, but we don't have light.
Starting point is 00:40:24 We only have, we only have until sunlight. So she's married. It opens the door like, what do you think Meredith is doing? She's trying to avoid the light. You can't do something that requires the ladies to be lit by sign. Meredith gives Meredith gives her most intense. This was never discussed face She's like mm-hmm how many how quick it does my head have to be for me to incine you ain't that this was never Nescaste right so the other ladies are on the van waiting and Merit Jen's like Meredith is a piece of shit right now by the way She's probably the thing Mary's asked somewhere
Starting point is 00:41:01 But the Mary's asked somewhere. She is on one at the moment. So then, and then Jen, then she's also like, in the, you know, sometimes her diary rooms are just not strong. She's like, oh, look, if the wicked witch of the West married with marks, hello, there's a dress code. What are you wearing? Where's your all white?
Starting point is 00:41:20 We are participant in the group. This is not, this is not what you call great diary room zinger material here. Yeah, should have been my sort of that designer could be sitting right off camera helping you out. Because Meredith, by the way, joins and she's not wearing all white because Whitney basically was like,
Starting point is 00:41:36 listen, just come with what you're wearing. So I just, Jen's saying, oh look, it's the which, we can which of the west. I'm like, it's married it in a denim outfit, you know, so Mary's still not there and Mary's purposely being a natural, you know, we cut to Mary in her room. She's just staring at herself in the mirror board like, just kind of waiting. She's waiting for somebody yell at her. So I don't know what's going on, but she is not having this but Bettina day in the desert thing.
Starting point is 00:42:05 So they decided to leave Mary and Whitney's like how would Mary feel if I was late just something important hurt you important to her how would Mary feel if I was late for something that was important to her. I didn't call her back on time. And look, went how that. Ah! Ah! How come Yoda gets to do it, but not me? So. So then, when he's like, well, maybe she needs some time to adjust.
Starting point is 00:42:38 By the way, am I hitting, do you hear him? I keep on accidentally hitting my microphone today. Are you hearing it, Ronnie? Are you hearing like thumbs? Okay, good. Sorry, everyone. I'm not following you. It was a little bit down because I'm so sick
Starting point is 00:42:49 of hearing myself. Well, if anyone hears thumbs, I apologize. My wrist is like extra flappy today. And I keep on feeling like, I'm just like slapping my microphone. Just excited. So maybe this will help. Duh-ing, duh-ing, duh-ing, duh-ing, duh-ing, duh-ing, duh-ing, duh-ing, duh-ing, duh-ing, duh-ing, duh-ing, duh-ing, duh-ing, duh-ing, excited. So maybe this will help. That's a spiritual music we get for the mountains with patina.
Starting point is 00:43:15 I also would like that to be a new ringtone that we can offer. Why spiritual music always sound like some like a cartoon character bouncing around on the screen. Why? Duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, what's the best to become? I don't want to bounce around. So they pull up poor patina patina standing. She was probably been standing there for about 90 minutes. Okay, let's be honest, she's standing there waiting, being very patient, and they pull up and Meredith is like, wow, this is so pretty. I do have to say. So congratulations Zion National Park. You have gotten the Meredith Marks. You're a proof of, you were officially pretty. Yeah. Also, I don't think that's he never's been standing there. I think she's been sitting
Starting point is 00:44:00 on a folding chair like from a football game with the Bud Light and Wehmann and some Capri's and the other you know playing like can't be crushed on her phone. She has one of those old like portable televisions of the antenna just trying to tune into like. I don't fucking love Lucy. Sick of this shit. Can we have this as a crazier design? Come on. Frazier's on, come on. I'm sorry. Thank you. That's definitely, that's a real broad. So then, Patina starts this sort of ceremony,
Starting point is 00:44:36 starts talking to them, gives them red shawl to represent indigenous women, murdered and missing, et cetera. And I just am like, in my mind, I'm laughing because this is actually like, I think, a very, it feels very thoughtful. As Bravo, New Age, spirituality, well, this may not be even new, but that spiritual moments happen on Bravo.
Starting point is 00:44:56 This one feels like a little bit more thoughtful and I'm just laughing because like Whitney, the one who is receiving the shawl to represent Indigenous women is also the same one on the bus going La cuckara cha la cuckara cha I'm like I feel like Whitney is not quite figured out you know it's not quite bridge that that gap there So who really does have the peaceful thing down Kevin the driver. I mean this guy is like okay So they're getting off the bus and Kevin guys, you're going barefoot. Okay, then, you know, like this is what you have the problem
Starting point is 00:45:30 with, Kevin, you said nothing for hours of these ladies screaming yelling, getting arrested, but now there's barefoot. And you're going to say something. And Whitney goes, it's very grounding. It's literally the ground. Ground. It's the ground. It's the ground with me. So Bettina's like, OK, so as you walk through the labyrinth, release what doesn't serve you anymore. Oh, I'm so glad you said that here. OK, here's my membership card for Subway.
Starting point is 00:45:58 Don't need that anymore. I don't really go there anymore. OK, here is a coupon for Chick-fil-A. It expired. Don't need that anymore. Let's see. What else do we have? Taco Bell. Oh, this one closed. So this was only good at one location. You can have that too, Patina. So back at the house, Mary is just still like, you know, moving her hat around her head. And she's like, I don't care if they leave me. I mean, I don't travel this way. So I don't travel and book events the night that I journey.
Starting point is 00:46:28 Okay, so it's not something I'm gonna go out of my way to do. So I'll say that much. That's fair, but also if you had traveled on the Sprinter Van as with the plan, then it would not have been an issue for you. Right. So then back at the thing, Bettina is giving out gratitude bundles and she's like, okay, Jen.
Starting point is 00:46:52 Now, take this bundle and begin your journey and Jen is basically like, I want to let go of all the unnecessary judgment that everybody's giving me. He's so ridiculous. I want to let go the promo I'm not good to see my sons go to you I want to let go of these bitches who are so mean to me you don't know what they've gone through I want to let go of them not knowing what I've gone through it's like Jen that's not what you'd let go of. All of them are doing it. They're also selfish. It's so funny. Meredith is like, I want to get rid of. I'm not gonna let go. I'm judgmental. I'm empty. The bullying sense giving me. I want to let go.
Starting point is 00:47:38 I want to let know of the temporary housing that we're in to protect my little baby and Brooks from a terrorism of Miss Jennifer. And Whitney said, I want to let go of tension with Mary and my beef with Lisa and this urge to feel like I have to be good enough for people. Okay, me. Why is Whitney acting like she does everything for everybody else's approval? You're literally doing nothing to make anyone else's happy. Yes.
Starting point is 00:48:15 Like I could make a list, but this is a long show, but it can be quiet with me. But at least she tries, you know, at least she tries to do something that's within her. She tries. Right. She does not try at all. Her wish is to release tension with Mary and then the rest of the episode is her actually actively poking Mary and trying to confront her
Starting point is 00:48:36 and create a tense moment and put her on the spot. Like it's literally the biggest bullshit ever. I mean, it's hilarious. It's so hilarious that they have this, this session, and they don't even pretend to take anything from it. There's not even a scene afterwards. Usually on these shows, there's like, they do something spiritual, they light something on fire and set it off in the ocean or whatever, and then they have a moment where they're like, I'm just so glad that, you know, I just, the petty fighting, it's beneath us, we're sisters,
Starting point is 00:49:01 this is sister, there's usually that scene, and then someone says, and that's why I wanted to clear the air with you because I just didn't feel right about what you said about me. And then the other person said, well, I didn't feel right about what you said about me. And then they fight. But here they don't even have like a fake moment where they just claim that they just love each other and they fight because they're family. They just have the spiritual moment and they just go back to fighting. Yeah, right back into it. I'm not even letting it happen naturally. They just pound it. It's like, okay, right back into it. And not even letting it happen naturally. They just pound it. It's like, okay, we're all seated.
Starting point is 00:49:28 Great. Here's my problem with you. You know? Yeah, that's true. So then, now we have to do a drum circle, which I'm sorry. I just can't with these drums. These are never good. This is like going to church and when the preacher is like, okay, now everybody clap.
Starting point is 00:49:44 And you're like, oh my God, it's like white people clapping at different, like there's not five. One's and threes, you know, yeah, there's not. One's and threes is Tom says. It's the ones and threes. And I said, as someone who is often comes in on the ones and threes. So, so the drum thing, Bettina's like, okay, this is how you do it. You go, Bettina, Bettina, we're going to keep this real simple. Just like whatever word you're going to say, just turn it into two beats. Betina, Betina. So then they're all doing it. Whitney's like, Whitney, Whitney, Whitney, Whitney, how do you do it again? Neewit. No. What? What? What? What? Can we start the drum circle over, please?
Starting point is 00:50:24 So then Mary shows up and sees them all and not grant. I wouldn't join the circle either. This is a crazy looking circle. You've got all these ladies who now are like how they're red bandanas and they're just going don, don't like what the fuck Mary's like I'm not going into that. So she not only stands outside the circle, she turns to face profile.
Starting point is 00:50:50 So they yes, she's just looking away from it. I mean, look, I am not, I'm actually not bashing the ceremony. I don't, you know, it's origins actually seem like they may be from a culture that's different from mine and I'm not, I'm not bashing the ceremony, but what it's funny is watching these women doing it, right? Like watching Meredith be like,
Starting point is 00:51:09 Married death, married, married. It's just like the least spiritual version of whatever would imagine this was supposed to be. Right, so Mary is like, well, I'm just, I'm not into this. So like it's not that it's going against my religion. I'm just, I'm not into this. So like, it's not that it's going against my religion. I'm just, I'm faithful to my God, okay? And you know Whitney, she has to have her little spiritual maneuvers, control it.
Starting point is 00:51:33 And then she does the married, does the oracle anything. Which is actually funnier than I thought it would be. But also this was not, has nothing to do with God. It was just a spiritual thing. So I always think that's funny too, when people are like, ugh, I mean, I'm like you, I don't think I would join it because at that point, I'm already late,
Starting point is 00:51:49 and everyone has already gone down the path of being in this, like, being in a drum circle and saying their names. And I'm like, I haven't had 20 minutes of, like, getting into the spirituality, so it'd be weird for me just to jump in and pick up a drum and be like, bet, and, bet, and, you know. Right, you don't just walk into church and start speaking tongues.
Starting point is 00:52:06 There's like a 45 minute warm up. You need to, there's a ramping up. There's a ramping up you need to do. There's a ramping up. There's a shadow line or two, you know, depending on how many you're served at your church. How many you were cursed. This is post-laverned, you know, spirituality.
Starting point is 00:52:20 Like they've walked through the labyrinth, they've held bundles, you know, you just can't get, you just, you can't just go right up to 10 where they are so I get that I get that right so they're like marrying Why don't you come over you can say your name five times while beating on a drum and Mary's like um I'm good. I'm good. Thanks. I'm gonna stand here awkwardly and look away from you, okay? Yeah, and so Whitney says it's disrespectful that she's late, and she just stands there. I don't believe in her religion,
Starting point is 00:52:49 but I still showed up and I participated. And then they cut to Whitney in church going, yeah, look, thumbs up. You're doing great up there. To be fair, I rarely like to stick up for Mary, but to be fair, they all decided to leave Mary and have the Senate bus back. So she was part of the reason why she was late was by Whitney's plans. I mean, she was also running late in general, but I just, you know, Whitney is, I mean,
Starting point is 00:53:18 Mary was being rude in a certain way, yes, but Whitney is also just looking for Mary to be rude, if that makes sense. Well, right, you're setting up for a Christian way, yes, but Whitney is also just looking for Mary to be rude if that makes sense. Well, right. You're setting up for a Christian preacher this spiritual ceremony, you know, which she would know is coming from a really religious background that most very religious people, you don't do a culty type stuff, you know what I mean? Like that's considered wrong. Or what would be perceived as that by that. Right. Right.
Starting point is 00:53:47 So it seems like Whitney's poking. They all knew, they all knew that Mary would have a tough time with us regarding the insurer on time. They all said something beforehand. Like wonder what Mary's gonna think about us. Okay. So anyway, so now it's nighttime, we're back at the house and there's an outdoor dinner set up, a table set up,
Starting point is 00:54:04 and Heather's like, dinner set up, a table set up. And Heather's like, I have major doubts, but that ceremony really pounded back hope into my heart. I'm clear headed and I'm ready to bond in this. I just heard my name chanted so many times. It was like celebrity, not death. It was like just celebrity match, celebrity match. Celebrity Labyrinth match. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:54:28 I was waiting for David Bowie. So by the way, I want to point out that this dinner that has been set up for them is just set up in the driveway of the villa, which I thought was really funny. Did you notice that? It pull up in the driveway. It's just the tables right there in the gravel.
Starting point is 00:54:42 So Meredith's like, oh, I'm gonna change, because gosh darn, I didn't get to wear my wine out. So you're gonna see my white outfit. Yeah, man, so she changes. And then she does her wave clap, her goodbye wave clap, where she's like, well, the goodbye wave is forward, I think it's forward.
Starting point is 00:54:59 And then when she's mad, it's, I'm gonna go, you know what, I've had enough. I'm clapping back towards my face. I am, God, I'm gonna go. You know what, I've had enough. I'm clapping back towards my face. I am, I'm dizzying. Okay. Goodbye, hope that's friendly goodbye. Goodbye, I'm angry. So the waitress or catering lady comes out
Starting point is 00:55:14 and she's like, okay, we're gonna have a first course soon. We're gonna need to get some drinks. We're gonna need to get some drinks, guys. What do we want? And then we have a really weird ordering session. So Mary is like, someone says, white wine? You have, oh yeah then we have a really weird ordering session. So Mary's like, uh, someone says, white wine. You have, oh, yeah, we have white wine. Okay, I'll have some white wine. Okay, I'll have some white wine. And then Mary goes, um, Jeff champagne and was like, ah,
Starting point is 00:55:37 yeah. And then someone else orders like some like, I'm red or sour or something like that. Or orders of vodka soda because she doesn't want to be uncool at the table where everybody's drinking. And this lady is suddenly being like, he's talking bitches. Don't they realize that I came out here to really only ask for one group beverage? When I say let's get drinks, that means like you get up and get yourself a drink. I'm the chef. Okay. I'm getting my sneakers dirty in this gravel right now for you.
Starting point is 00:56:06 Okay. So, let's see. So then Jen comes out and she's changed to it. Now she's changed into some weird snake skin jumper thing, which, you know, is fitting. And so Heather's like, oh my god, look at you. You shed your white and now you're a snake. So and Meredith's in why and he's like, I love it. I feel like you're Shabin Yarrape. So when he is like, okay, I am grateful that everyone finally made it. Note that I said finally made it, which was a passive aggressive way of me to highlight
Starting point is 00:56:41 Meredith and Mary spirituality. To be honest, I had a really beautiful night planned and we were late getting to it because we were waiting for both of you and I really wanted us to come forward with resentments and grudges and things that we're holding onto with each other. I'm like, well, it sounds like you're the one who has the most grudges right now with me.
Starting point is 00:57:00 Like, you clearly released nothing into that labyrinth. Nothing. And so she's like, let's let's let in the spirit of that dinner. Let us put it line out on the during dinner. It's like, okay, so now you're telling everybody that they have to fight during dinner. I mean, what kind of post are you?
Starting point is 00:57:17 You said, what? This shouldn't this be a dinner to celebrate like sisterhood and say, you know what, that labyrinth taught me that there's just more important things than squabbling one of our friends might be going away to jail for the rest of her life. So Whitney is like so what happened is everything okay and where it's like everything is totally fine you got 30 seconds before I disengage. I just have to point out when they all cheer us after this toast. Mary goes, Whitney. Whitney.
Starting point is 00:57:49 Chirsten Lee I. And the I Whitney. Chirsten I. Chirsten I Whitney. So I was just cracking up after a while and a couple of times I was laughing so hard. So then, yeah, Whitney asked and Meredith's immediately annoyed because it's like, okay, here we go. Now they're going to get on me.
Starting point is 00:58:04 Like, here's Whitney, little instigator Whitney. So, and Whitney's got her stern face. Ugh, look at me. I am mad. Like, she's got that face on. So, she says, why didn't you come on the bus with us? Meredith is like, well, my husband,
Starting point is 00:58:22 he got a doctor's appointment. Man, it meant to me, I got a doctor's appointment. Me and his infant was tomorrow. And still wanna come out today. So, I'm like, oh man. Like she's trying to decide whether she should even bother lying this time. Yeah, right?
Starting point is 00:58:35 She's like, well, he had internal bleeding. I already did that one. She's another one. Oh, okay. Well, I'll come back to you on that. And by, you know, I'm sorry. And so Whitney's like, and to you, Mary, why didn't you come on the bus?
Starting point is 00:58:52 And Mary's like, I mean, I don't think I have to have an excuse why, good for you. I was about to say good for you, Mary. I mean, Mary is terrible, but like Whitney's being so condescending and patronizing, it's like, no, Mary does not have to answer that question with that So tone with with with it. I don't have to respond to Whitney's tone. I should say yes. It's time for commercial It's time for a crap and it's commercial
Starting point is 00:59:17 So Meredith is like well she was kind enough to wait for me Now that's all there is to it and quite frankly And you know she means it because she does that like after a bath dog head shake or she's like quaint frankoony. If anyone has a prop with it who didn't fly home with me from now on. And Whitney's like oh okay point take it. So she's like now please I will get angry. I needed my space. I don't care.
Starting point is 00:59:48 Whatever Mary says quite frankly, comma, you always know she's about to get real angry, right? So Jen was like, well the text said you had meetings. Yeah, the text said I needed to do something and I did. I had to take my husband to a lab. Well I am just bummed because I had something cool planned and we didn't get to do it. Well I'm sorry when it means we didn't do
Starting point is 01:00:14 your plan. And she tells us I'm an adult if I want to take a rocket shop to find one. rocket shop design. I want I say that because my little baby boy Brooks has always dreamed of going on a big boy rocket ship. That was for you, Brooks boy. So Meredith does this thing when she gets pissed that cracks me up. She imaginary eats because they're not even eating right now, right? So right so Meredith is just really mad and she's one. She's sucking her cheeks in over and over again, I guess to give anger face but it just looks like she's a match they're eating. And Heather then had her turn to marry and goes, are you sorry Mary Cosby? Because you didn't apologize and Mary goes, no, I didn't apologize. Yeah, I didn't apologize. And then Jen's like, well, I mean, I feel like Mary has been honest and Meredith is just saying what everyone was to hear. I mean, I don't think you know anything about me, Jen.
Starting point is 01:01:15 Oh, yeah, but you don't know anything about me either, Meredith. No, and I'm not talking to you about you either. Well, I'm talking to you about you. Am I talking to you about me about you? Who's talking about me? You what? Who's talking to you about you either. Well, I'm talking to you about you. Am I talking to you about me? You know who's talking about me? You what? Who's talking to you? Very drawing to me.
Starting point is 01:01:31 Look, it's talking great movie. I love that movie. Why don't we watch that movie? Well, listen, you're talking about me and the front of me. Did you notice how you set my name in? And I'm right here, but you were actually not talking to me about me. Did you notice that? Yeah. Meredith has I'm right here, but you were actually not talking to me about me. Did you notice that?
Starting point is 01:01:45 Ah! Meredith has great quilt work here, because they've been given quilts, you know, to sit outside the cold and Meredith is like, oh, wow! I'm like whips and coders. The quilter wraps herself up in it. Yes.
Starting point is 01:01:59 So Jen's like, I'm just giving my opinion. He's like, okay, well thank you, you're welcome. Okay, Jen is trying, but you know, Jen's cropped doesn't work on Meredith. All the stuff that Jen tries with other ladies, like to get them, you know, kissing her ass, it does not work with Jen. I mean, Meredith, Meredith does not care, right?
Starting point is 01:02:18 So Jen is like befuddled, like she can't come up with anything to say. So then she just tells us in another stellar diary room session. She's like, can we just get a light detector test? Pillies? Because Meredith, people would like Meredith more if she would just be honest. We can switch the west on my rights. Call back. So then Lisa's like, Meredith, I think that Jen thought like you didn't go on the bus
Starting point is 01:02:42 because she was on there. And another thing is well well it wasn't just Jen it's a cumulative nature of all the 10 shamions even to be a part of it. I don't want to be a part of it now I'm not done saying cumulatively. But wait I'm not gonna say something. No I don't think so. It wasn't just a jam.
Starting point is 01:03:04 I cumulatively even Lisa is part of it. I'll tell you how to say something. Now, I don't think so. It wasn't just a jam. All right, cumulative. Even Lisa is part of that. And vice versa. And vice versa. No, so I feel a lot of hostility to write to Torrance Man. I just didn't want to subject myself to it when I've already been terrorized, traumatized,
Starting point is 01:03:24 and absolutely scrutiny full of emotion. Here's the thing, walking out of South Spoon, I knew I had a problem with the groom. I felt like hot was being questioned and grilled. And I couldn't even come up with something third because those two didn't rhyme in the first place. It was just two separate words, not rhyming, and people will just have to deal with it. Even sleeping next takes me, Gams. I felt, I, I, I felt cornered and hurt another two more words not rhyming but said in a rhyming style. You know I'm angry when I don't mind the first two words. And I only give two words.
Starting point is 01:04:17 It's all that's there's too angry to come up with three. So Heather is like we see the clips of what she's talking about. If Heather and Whitney coming up to her and being like, why didn't you invite Jen, man? Come on. And Whitney saying, Meredith, is there more to this that we don't know about? And Meredith putting on her sunglasses and going, of course, man. It's so then I just love like Meredith has It's so nice. It's so nice. It's so nice. It's so nice.
Starting point is 01:04:47 It's so nice. It's so nice. It's so nice. It's so nice. It's so nice. It's so nice. It's so nice. It's so nice.
Starting point is 01:04:55 It's so nice. It's so nice. It's so nice. It's so nice. It's so nice. It's so nice. It's so nice. It's so nice.
Starting point is 01:05:03 It's so nice. It's so nice. It's so nice. It's so nice. It's so nice. It's so nice. I don't like Jen Shaw. Why would she ever invite Jen Shaw to this party? Right. And did that come up in one of the fights? Did she admit that she said, like, I didn't want to be anywhere. Like, yes, I did say that, you know, didn't someone confront her and say, like, you said we couldn't invite Jen anywhere. I feel like it's come up, but I don't know. There's so much. She said, I mean, she told Jenny, she said it was like three events in a row, where she's like, did anyone not hear when I said if you invite Jan Shaw on don't invite me. This is the 16th event we've had this season
Starting point is 01:05:32 But I guess what I mean is when they're saying in front of Jen like saying in front of Jen like what you said we can invite Jen or whatever so anyway Meredith you know says everyone's attacking her is what she was worried about. And Lisa's like, well, you know, we just want to know if it's okay to invite John to events where you are. Right. What part of don't invite, if don't invite me to events that Jen's at means that it's okay to invite Jen to things where she's at.
Starting point is 01:06:02 Lisa, Lisa has promised that she's gonna go up against Meredith to all the other girls. And so now she's trying. And they won't let her finish a sentence, you know? So she's just saying whatever she can. So Jen is like, yeah, because I felt like you were mad at me when I invited Jen to my father. And she's like, yes, Jen,
Starting point is 01:06:19 she told you not to the day before. That's a merit that's like, well, I was surprised because you called her a criminal, which was the most aggressive statement anyone made. And they only Fiona Apple quote, I heard all season long. First, I thought you were suggesting a wonderful podcast. That was going to thank you for your recommendation. I love criminal Well, I first why that was everybody check it. I Thought first of course you were wrenching a classic Michael Jackson song, and I thought this is not the time Replace for the ad, but no you're referring to Miss Jennifer. Oh, I'm sad
Starting point is 01:06:58 I love this because they're confronting Jenny with all of her bullshit, too Because we're always giving Whitney and Heather shit for their shit stirring, but Jenny is terrible. I mean, she takes one thing and runs right to the next person, you know. And some people are like, what refreshing honesty? That is not refreshing honesty. That's some bullshit for some girl who's new to the group to be taking shit and just disseminating it to start more fights within the group.
Starting point is 01:07:22 It's shady, right? That's shady and how you get a second season to, by the way. Exactly. She's doing your job. Like I like doing great job. Yeah, she's doing a good job, but I'm glad that she's finally being called out, because everybody's kind of left her alone, except for Mary, but even Mary back down, right? Yeah, I actually like though when Jenny gets a little prickly, I think that's actually Jenny in her best form. She goes, I'd not call her a criminal. I said if she committed those acts, I would not want to be affiliated with a criminal like Jen Shaw, who seems very criminal to me, but in a central proven guilty, which she
Starting point is 01:07:53 most probably will be, because she's a criminal. That's what I said. Now, Jen, we have to first of all, I haven't said something nice about Jen for a while. She's terrible. And I hope she rots. But just to say something nice, Jen looks so pretty with minimal makeup. I mean, she really looks like a crazy monster. Most of the time on this show, just how she's made up and filler to Botox. Like she's just so extreme
Starting point is 01:08:16 Disney villain. But she's not wearing much makeup or half her extensions or an eyelash or half of her nails. She's missing half of her nails. I mean, the girl looks like she was just thrown off a semi truck, but at least there was like some paper towels on the asphalt that were kind of wet that washed her face because she really is very match really pretty. Yeah, I actually thought so too. And I know that it's like, I know some,
Starting point is 01:08:41 I know it's like a thing when like, when men say, you shouldn't wear so much makeup Like people like that's not always Yeah, I'm really saying that. I'm just saying I think in general case she looked I feel like she looks really I agree I thought actually you're so worried today. You're gonna be in trouble with the people I'm not worried Spiritual indigenous, you know, drugs. I'm not worried. I'm just saying like you know I'm just saying I'm acknowledging that that that's like a thing that people and I'm saying it's not coming from that place I'm playing but
Starting point is 01:09:12 But anyway, so Jen is she's like so Jenny is like no, I only said like if it's I only said if she did commit those crimes I wouldn't want to be associated and Jen is just sitting she's sitting at the corner of the table Just like drunk with like her plate and And she goes, I'm not a criminal, Jenny. And she said, no, I said, if she committed the crime. If she, you know what, I don't know. I don't know if she committed the crime or not. Meredith is like, all right, you know, I'm a musician and a certain till proven toddler.
Starting point is 01:09:39 I don't know where I, there's no one more in this. I'm a doctor. And Jenny is like, she's like, I said to all of you, to all of you, I said, if she committed it, and I don't know if she committed it or not, I didn't call her a criminal, I don't know if she committed a crime, I'm not a judge, I'm not a jury, but she isn't a legit criminal,
Starting point is 01:10:01 but I'm not saying she is a criminal, but when people look up to people, look up people who might be convicted of being a criminal, it's Jen Shaw. That's it. And so then Jen is annoyed. So she stands up. She goes, you got to just figure this out. I'm going to the bathroom.
Starting point is 01:10:16 Just come ahead. Keep talking. So then she leaves and Lisa's like, you know what? Here's what I was kind of saying. You know what? Actually, I don't want to say anything without John here because I'm supposed to say in front of John to prove that I said that.
Starting point is 01:10:29 Okay, so we're gonna have to wait for John. I'm really, really, disgusted. Me and me that we're having dinner here in a gravel driveway. I mean, I know. We're practically the cast of celebrity death match. Am I right? We're in a drive way. Well, now I have a question for you.
Starting point is 01:10:50 Jen has been, this is a good one. So I'm going to kind of squint and nod my head a lot when I say it. So you'll know that I'm solving a mystery. Ready? Don't go. I have a question for you. Jen has been nasty to you. Mary has been nasty to me. So why are you okay with Mary being nasty to me?
Starting point is 01:11:08 But not Jen, okay, for God what we were talking about because you were late. And Mary's like well, you've been nasty to me. Don't leave that part out. And she's like Mary hasn't been nasty. Don't do that. Don't do that. And Mary's like, America's, Mary hasn't been nasty. Don't do that, Whitney. Don't do that. And Mary's like, well, I'm, Meredith's like, I'm not telling you, I'm not a fan by jam. I'm telling you, I'm gonna go,
Starting point is 01:11:35 did you hear my question? Well, I was listening to, well, I don't know what the heck you were saying. Okay, for as I know, you wanted some mushed up with me, I was for those syllables. And you were saying. Okay, for as I know, you wanted some must-up and mumbles for those syllables. If you think Jan Shaw has been a good friend to you, you should 100% stand by her and her criminal behavior. That was for you, Jenny. Mary has been nothing but a kind to me. When no one else was there for me, when I was being terrorized by an invisible force
Starting point is 01:12:07 She was the one person You know about that. I feel like I was every go I am in choices. I hurt me and I'm out And you know why they you know and you knew the thing would hurt me when you made them Lisa acting like she's never heard this before Hello, yeah, like you've heard this a million times and you will not cop to anything So Whitney's like that in all fairness. We all questioned this Mary said questioned what she's like Why Lisa was best friends with Jen all this said and when her best friend was married is
Starting point is 01:12:41 and was married. When he's like, let me take a break from coming from Meredith and Mary and just give a little bit of shit to Lisa for a second. Okay, we're back. I'm sorry. Yeah. So Lisa is saying that she never, you know, she never seeks Jen saw out, you know,
Starting point is 01:13:01 she just like happened to be there or whatever and she was hoping that she could be she could bring Meredith and Jen together because I like when people got along and when he's like what about Mary everyone is trying to resolve Jen and Meredith what about Mary and I Whitney you've stirred all the shit between Jen and Meredith like if you want it to focus on you and Mary, do a better job shit stirring, you suck at this. Whitney also has to get her, like her intentions straightened out.
Starting point is 01:13:32 Okay, either she wants to be friends with Mary in which case you should stop coming for Mary so hard or she says, I'm done with this friendship, in which case, you know, go as hard as you want it Mary. I mean, I know that she would probably say, I really love her, but I came for it because I was hurt. She'll do that thing. But like, you can't come hard for Mary and then be like, why isn't anyone trying to repair
Starting point is 01:13:53 us? Repair yourself if you're aware enough that there's a problem that you can repair yourself. Yeah, but only reason anyone is trying to repair Jen is because Jen's the one screaming and yelling, all of you guys into submission until you you promise Jen that you're gonna come attack Meredith. Most of you don't even know why the fuck you're here or what Meredith has done to you. Meredith has not done anything to any of you. That's what's so funny about it.
Starting point is 01:14:14 Like, you're honestly mad because Meredith is nice to Mary. That's ridiculous. But also, yeah. But also, like, Lisa wants to bring or wants to bring, or wants to bring Meredith and Jen together because Lisa is best friends with Meredith.
Starting point is 01:14:29 And then she's like, oh, I think actually Jen's pretty cool. I hate that they're fighting because I want to be able to hang out with both of them at the same time. But no one's saying, God, I wish I could hang out with Maryam, Cosby, and Whitney at the same time. So no one's trying to bring them together. People are fine doing one or the other in that situation.
Starting point is 01:14:41 Right. So basically Whitney's trying to get something said, but nobody cares, you know? And so Lisa's like, well, I would hope that you're married, could be good friends. And she goes, but she doesn't want to be my friend.
Starting point is 01:14:54 So then where are you going to get to tables? You have your answer. I know. And then Mary, Mary sort of like mutter some things and then when she goes, excuse me, what did you say, Mary?
Starting point is 01:15:02 And Mary goes, I said you're funny. And she goes, I'm not funny. I'm real. La cuckara, cha, la cuckara, cha. And Mary's got her makeup now. She's touching up. She goes, to me, you're funny, to me, you are.
Starting point is 01:15:16 So Whitney is like, well, I'm glad you make a mockery of my feelings, Mary. And Jenny is like, everyone on the bus felt like Mary was mean to you guys, and Meredith became her friend, and then she's mean of all to you guys, and we're like, oh, things. No one was meaner to me than wait for it.
Starting point is 01:15:37 Oh, man, Jennifer, yeah. And you all see her outside. And don't wanna hear it, excuse me, this quilt is about to come flying through. So hold down your glasses. Oh, shh. And Lisa's like, I did not see her out, which I think is so funny. It's like, it's okay if you're really close with Jen
Starting point is 01:15:57 as long as you don't see her out. What does that even mean? Like it's so weird. So Whitney's like, listen to me. And Meredith goes, wow, someone's inviting her to these planes. And she's, well, how do you expect me to feel when the person who is mean to me, you're seeking her out? You flew her. Mary, when is actually really mad, Nash, because you flew her, her whole body shakes. You flew her on the trip with her. Okay, how do you expect me to feel Meredith?
Starting point is 01:16:27 Now, I will say, I think actually Whitney has a point in this case. I think that like, you know, she has a point in that like, Meredith is saying like, hey, you're supposed to be my friend and then you're hanging out with this person that I really hate, Lisa. And then Whitney's saying, well, because I hate her because she's mean to me and you're being friends with her. And Whitney's saying like, hey, her because she's mean to me and you're being friends with her. And when you're saying like, hey, this girl's being mean to me, like, and you're being friends with her,
Starting point is 01:16:49 do you realize how that's hypocritical? So I think Whitney actually does have a little bit of a point there. I can't agree with you because in the examples you're giving, Jen is the aggressor. Like she's, okay, Meredith is, Jen is, the stuff that Jen, that Meredith is, sorry everybody, the stuff that Jen that Meredith is a sorry everybody the stuff that Jen is acute The stuff that Meredith is accusing Jen of doing is basically like stalking
Starting point is 01:17:14 It's like Horas with online bullying and harassment not saying I agree with any of that But that's what she's accusing her of in this case Whitney is the one you know She's acting like Mary's doing all of this, but Whitney's the one going on TV saying, she knows family members that say Mary's a cult leader and she's having, you know, doing all of this shady stuff. So in this case, Whitney is actually the one
Starting point is 01:17:39 doing the aggressing. Does that make any sense? Yeah, well, the Mary was aggressing in the sense that Mary basically ended the friendship over a not-returned phone call, I guess also the real lack of logic, as I know, you've convinced me, Ronnie. See, people can be convinced.
Starting point is 01:17:55 I've changed. I don't even know that I believe it, so I'm glad. No, no, no, you convinced me, but I will also say the difference is that Lisa and Meredith were really tight friends, So it's more of a trail. I don't think that Meredith and Whitney, I don't even, have they ever even like, do they even know who each other are? What sort of relationship do they have? I think they had a conversation at the cooking school. But like, do they, if you really think about it, do Meredith and Whitney like,
Starting point is 01:18:18 have they met before? That's what's so weird to me. Whitney, I think it's just trying to have a moment, you know? I think Whitney is trying to have her housewives moment. It's like, look at Whitney, never gets angry. Well, you're going to see how angry I'm going to be because she's like, how do you think that makes me feel merited? Okay. So meanwhile, it's terrible. Like if you're going to practice and write something, do better. So meanwhile, Jen is pulling a remona. She's just inside with the in the kitchen and she's just eating a salad. She's pulling from the salad and eating it and she's like, these bitches are fake. It's fuck out there. Okay, you want me to help cook? You want me to help cook? I can help cook. Everyone wants you with your like every other finger,
Starting point is 01:18:58 fingernail missing. One of your eyelashes gone, standing there eating with your hands, last she's gone, standing there eating with your hands, what COVID is happening? That's what everybody wants. So Jenny is like, Meredith, you say Mary's been nice and kind to you, so you were super gay, but when she actually makes racial comments, she starts going down that path. And Meredith is like, well, Mary and I had a conversation
Starting point is 01:19:23 and I told her it was wrong and then I gave her a binky. So I think it's all smooth over. And Jenny's like, but at that event, you just shrugged it off. And then we see the clip of Mary saying, um, is that offensive? I didn't know that was offensive. Does everybody think that's offensive? I married a sink. Well, some people would find it offensive. You know, I don't know if I find it offensive or hot. And Jenny's like, so you shrugged it off. And Mary's like, but why is she responsible for what I said? And she's like, because you asked her Mary if it was, if it was offensive or not. And so Jenny's like, she should have supported me. She should have said something for me. I'm like, true. Okay. I think Jenny has, I think Jenny has a point. Yeah, I think Jenny has like,
Starting point is 01:20:07 I think a decent bone to pick with Meredith and that one. It was not, you know, Meredith did say, she was like, she did say she wouldn't have said it and she did tell sort of lightly marry in that conversation. It was a bad thing to say, but it was not, it was not Meredith's best moment, her response. I think Jenny has a right to be frustrated with Meredith about that. I do too. I mean, I think Mary was completely fucking wrong. A Meredith sticking up for her was completely wrong. It just feels like everyone's trying to have their moment and it's not a cohesive fight.
Starting point is 01:20:35 What are you even doing in here? What are you doing in this fight right now? Like, this isn't about you, man. They're letting it all out. This is a cohesive fight because the fight is supposed to be that let it all out. So you're all letting it out. Stick to it. Talk to it.
Starting point is 01:20:50 So then Lisa is like, hey, can I give my perspective real quick? Okay, great. And Mret is like, no, no. I'm not in a mental state for this level of the same. So she leaves. And and Mary is like, you're good though, right? Huh? You're good? Okay. Mary just like lets her go. Mary won't follow her off because she's waiting for the food, right? So, Meredith is like, I might as well just leave to us. So then Jen returns, probably because she saw
Starting point is 01:21:21 Meredith storm off. So, Whitney's like, so who is going to chase down Meredith and make her come back here? You should do it, Mary. And I was like, yeah, you're a bride. So you should, you're in charge of that. And Mary's like, but I just want to stake. Can I just stay? I want to stake. We'll keep it warm for you. So she's like, okay, I was actually surprised. I thought Mary was not going to get up. But Mary's like, okay, okay, she's like, well, I have to have Mary to the back of the table. First of all, one of these girls making you run, which is a good point. And second of all, whatever they're saying, take it. Let's eat. Let's get some food.
Starting point is 01:21:54 Hot steak and just potatoes. Just the potatoes. Yeah. So then she goes upstairs. And then of course, food is delivered. She's going to be so pissed. So then Whitney goes, this shit right now is the weirdest shit I've ever been part of. I know being on celebrity death match. It's so weird that we're at this place in life, right? So you just have a launch party with no brands and then we're the name of your other brand on TV. This is not the weirdest shit you've been part of.
Starting point is 01:22:25 So Mary and Meredith are talking and Mary's like, so how are you feeling around Jen and Meredith goes, Trollmatcher! And Mary's like, so it makes you that uncomfortable. She's like, I'm fine when I'm around her. She's like, well, yeah, you're processing differently. So they're up there and then downstairs, Jenna's back. And she's like, what the fuck is up with this one?
Starting point is 01:22:50 I think she's pointing at Meredith's empty chair, whatever. And so Jenny is like, oh yeah, well Meredith said she's overwhelmed. And Jenna's like, over what? Over what? Why did she have a problem? Because she's lying. So then by the way, now she's shoving food in her mouth
Starting point is 01:23:07 and talking with her mouth, opening foods like flying out. So then Heather's like, so what happened with Meredith? And Mary's like, she's right here. I brought her with me. So Meredith comes and Jen like chucks her drink, like finishes it off getting ready for the next round. So now Whitney's like,
Starting point is 01:23:26 Guys, I have a question. Where are we here if no one can get along? And Mary goes, okay, well... ...totally. Tonight, I just don't have the mental capacity to give. And I feel like I should give you what you're asking for, but for me to say that I'm your friend but tonight I just Don't have it. So I'd rather just shut it down because mentally I just can't give you what you're looking for
Starting point is 01:23:54 I actually think this was one of Mary's I thought that was actually Mary being pretty honest and actually I'm showing a rare shred of like empathy.'s like, I know what you want for me, but I can't give it to you. And I thought that Whitney would be like, well, thank you for being honest, and maybe we can work on it. But instead, Whitney goes, oh, so how I feel now is that it's pointless for me to do anything.
Starting point is 01:24:18 I'm like, Whitney, she just actually was very honest with you. What are you talking about, I'm here. Yeah, but maybe that. Like Mary won't even say I'm your friend. It's like the easiest thing to say. And I just love that she gives this whole like, I just don't have the mental, sorry. I just can't right now.
Starting point is 01:24:34 When she's done with her speech, with these mouth is just wide open. She's like, I was cracking up. So Mary's eating. So Mary just starts eating, right? She's like, make make sense and Whitney goes Yeah, I guess I shouldn't say anything and Mary goes. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it Don't worry
Starting point is 01:24:54 So then Jen is like well since we're all being honest right now I would like to know Meredith while you hired a private investigator to research about me So I like oh, okay, we're going here now. And so Meredith is like, I never hired a client to investigate you. I hired an investigator to find out who was sending my family friends. I submitted every single phone number of all of you, not you.
Starting point is 01:25:21 So let's call her a finding. And Jen goes, well, I'm bringing this up because what you told me Jenny, like just blames Jenny. And Jenny's like, I said your name came up. She's, no, you told me she said it. You said it. No, I didn't say that. Okay, fine. I'm going to clarify at bail that the private investigator name that did come up. Okay. It did come up. And so she's like, well, uh, and so Jenny's, yeah, she says the name came out. So Jim's like, well, if it wasn't about me, then why did you tell me like, what,
Starting point is 01:25:56 why didn't you tell me it was all that all of us? And Jenny says, because I met with you privately, why would I tell everybody else? I was just telling you. So now Jen's yelling, Jen, uh, Jen is yelling. And then Jenny starts yelling. She's like, you guys heard it, right? The private investigator came up. The racketeer and came up. Yeah. And, um, basically, Jenny is like, you know, if she's going to be angry, she should be angry at Meredith. She's taking her anger at the wrong person. I'm like, I think she actually is already pretty angry at it. Right, but Jenny is full of shit because she did tell her she hired a private investigator on you. You know, this is what Taddle Telling gets you.
Starting point is 01:26:30 But by the way, especially with Jen, because Jen is never on anybody side by her own. Like, if you come to her and say, listen, I heard something about you, she will throw you under the bus next two seconds. Ask you. Although, I think it's pretty, yeah, I mean, I don't know. Yeah, because Meredith did say that she was getting these things and she hired a private investigator. It was coming from Jen Shaw. it's pretty, yeah. I mean, I don't know, yeah, because Meredith did say that she was getting these things and she hired a private investigator. It was coming from Jen Shaw, yeah.
Starting point is 01:26:48 So, yeah, so Jenny did make it sound a little bit more pointed than that. So Whitney is like, Right now, it's very muddy and I'm not just talking about my feet in the driveway. I just want clarification on what was the investigator for. And Meredith's like, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that's my man.
Starting point is 01:27:07 Threats, we got a doctor, a sings book that said, all the police says you'll go. And then under it, it was written in blood to hell. And I thought that was inappropriate. So Meredith, so when he's like, oh, okay, threats against your family. Got it. You all knew that. So why are you bringing that? That was not a fortune.
Starting point is 01:27:29 That was so unambiguous. How many, she has said so many times. This is where I'm asked to arise my family. We all know it. Everyone knows it. So Jen's like, wait a minute. You guys think it's me? So it's like Jen's just finally getting it, right?
Starting point is 01:27:45 What is it always come back to me? So Meredith is like, while he investigates her dancing, there was 90% certainty finally with you. Which again, I say this every time she says it, but that makes no sense. Was it coming from her or not? It's not just kind of coming from a phone number
Starting point is 01:28:04 or an IP address. you know what I mean? Well, there's a not. 10% chances through chance maybe. So Jen is like, do you want threatening your family? Well, you have been awful to my family. Just be honest, please. There's a toddler's life on the line here
Starting point is 01:28:20 because your family has been awful to my family. She's like, oh, I've not said one negative thing about your family. Your son has a rally. Well, in what Brokecy has never said one night. I mean about chicken fingers. He said that kind of things about chicken, but not you. Not now. And she's like, he said I showed him my vagina.
Starting point is 01:28:43 I have sons! Because while I saw your vagina over and over and over again, Mariello and Crystal said, cover your vagina over and over and over. I love Jens like so worried about this. Could we just play the clip of Jem on the bed being like fan kicking around on the bed and like In the camera So here we are back to this same old fight So then Which I think is silly I think Meredith took this whole thing too far. I still stand there
Starting point is 01:29:16 Well, I still stand there. So Jan is now screaming and yelling again Screaming do you know what you've done? And now she's got double fingers and she's doing her old trick where she stands up while someone else is sitting and gets right over them and starts fingering in their face and stuff. And Meredith just stays calm. She's like, get out of my face, Jan. And she's like, you know what you've done?
Starting point is 01:29:40 You don't want me to tell everyone what you've done. And she goes, oh, really? Wanna tell them what you've done. And she goes, oh, really? Wanna tell them what you've done? And then Jen just stops. And she kind of starts laughing like, damn, Meredith is gonna go love, right? Meredith is like, I can do, I can do the, what about you, Gamal?
Starting point is 01:29:56 So she goes, oh, sweetie, you have no idea what I know. I have unleashed the, oh, sweet part of my personality. And I'm gonna say it about 15 more times the next 30 seconds before this episode ends Keep it up she's hired Matlock so keep it up lady. So Janice now just pointing and yelling You know you I swear to God if you have anything to do with the bullshit charges against me a Meredith is like Why am I nothing to do with a charge is against you? A Meredith is like why am I nothing to do with the charges against you Move out of my face sweetie. That's another sweetie for you
Starting point is 01:30:35 I would never do now. I'm not revolting like you I mean yeah, she's not standing above someone like threatening physical Attacks again with one eyelash missing. I like I'm not revolting like you. But by and Jen goes so that just like as Meredith goes, no, I'm better. I'm not better than everyone else, but I don't accept someone screaming and pointing at my face. I'm not going to do a sweetie on that one. No sweetie. Yeah, she's like, but you can. So Jen's like, but you can scream in my face. Not gonna do a sweetie on that one, no sweetie. Yeah, she's like, but you can, so Jen's like, but you can scream in my face.
Starting point is 01:31:09 It's like no one is screaming in your face. You're fucking crazy. So Meredith is like, I didn't get up, I didn't get up to your chair, did I? I'm just engaged, sweetie. You traumatized us. I'm crying. You traumatized us goodbye. You traumatized us goodbye. Trauma ties house Trauma ties that's goodbye
Starting point is 01:31:26 You traumatize that's goodbye Oh, you're fucking fraudulent you live 10 lives Oh, who's calling who a fraud? Olivia baby She closes the door and jen goes ask your mother fucking 10 boy friends about it And everyone's like what and then we get the boom. It was so such an unhinged episode. It was absolutely amazing.
Starting point is 01:31:52 That's exhausting. I was, that was a lot to discuss in that episode. Like every single, it felt like it was just so dense full of content. I know, I need a map now. I know, me too. I was screaming and yelling the whole time, sorry for everyone's ears, but geez, that was an intense one. Yeah. Um, you guys, thank you so
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