Watch What Crappens - #2197 Bonus: Ryan Bailey and the State of Bravo

Episode Date: October 20, 2023

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No, but you know, you know, Ben, Ben, just the host, we always have painted so this can't believe that. I can't believe that. For a little bit. Well, thank you so much for joining me today. Everybody, this is a watch at Krapen's bonus. These are usually on Patreon. This is being widespread to everybody.

So a it's like a Costco sample where you get to know what our bonus episodes are like, but also I'm not going to keep Brian Bailey in a corner. I mean, what the hell kind of monster am I? Yeah, you're not one of my parents. Come on. Yeah, I went to the Botox lady a few weeks ago. And the lady's like, oh, so you do a podcast and I was telling her Yeah, I went to the Botox lady a few weeks ago. And the lady's like, oh, so you do a podcast and I was telling her what it was

and what it, you know, I was giving her the spiel. And she's like, oh, yeah, only this and a one Bravo podcast is my favorite thing I'll listen to it all the time. It's Ryan Bailey. No way. Yeah, that's like that little. I've used with the Botox ladies.

Okay. L.A. Was that some. Wow. That actually made me feel so that's worth waking up early for. Wow. Oh, it's like, so congratulations, Ryan.

And you're fired Botox lady. Yeah. Wait, Ronnie, I forget the last time I saw you in person was at the crappy awards in January. And I don't think you guys ever knew. So you had me do that pre-show and I tore my ACL during the pre-show and I was soaked but I didn't even know how bad it was. And if you see when I go on with Courtney from Two Judgy Girls to present, I have a massive

limp. My knee was out of commission for like months after that. Like I tore my ACL that night and I was limping, and it was like the highest highs, so I was so excited to be there. And then I was just in such pain, like just sweat dripping down my face, which is normal usually,

but then just to like tear an ACL, I was trying to interview people backstage. Oh my God. I was like, this is insane. You poor guy. No, I didn't know that. And thank you for not suing us because I think you could have too late. I hope you're a statue to limitations.

Maybe I shouldn't bring that up. But I'm so sorry. Also that place is such hell. I can see how you would tear your ACL. That place is like up to stairs down the stairs around this. But then it was raining. It was like the blizzard of Los Angeles and they had us all walking in the rain. They're like, you can park a block down there and walk. I was like, how is that helping me? How are you having assistance out here to tell me to park down the block

you? Fuck faces. I mean, it was like Noah's Ark. I was like, this is going to, we're going to take two Bravo Labs, two podcasters, put them on an arc. Like it, and, it was like Noah's Ark. I was like, this is gonna, we're gonna take two Bravo Labs, two podcasters, put them on an arc. Like, and then it was like, I was going to Chef Marco from below deck came to the backdoor entry and they were like, he was like, I wanna meet Ronnie and Ben and I got so excited to go get you guys and I literally took a step down

and my knee went, like just one step down. He was making Chef Marco too. He's no joke. Well, you know, Noah's Ark. I'm gonna sue him as well. Noah's Ark. Yeah, you should sue his restaurant. Noah's Ark, it was the fusion. It was the fusion food.

The broke grace. Yeah. Noah's Ark happened because of sin. You know, that whole thing was because the world was sinning and the Lord flooded it. And then they had to put two of every animal on the boat. And so that kind of made sense because we did have like two people from every show. We really did try to get that art going. But it's such a gay event.

Not many people reproduce naturally. Sorry. You're the problem world. Oh. Okay. So web we weave. I know. So for anybody who doesn't listen to your show go listen to it because it's amazing

You're so talented. You're so that's why you know you were the perfect choice to come to the crappies and do that ride Seacrest thing because everybody loves you Everybody knows you you make everybody feel so comfortable and make everybody laugh What have you been doing lately? You've been all over the place. You've been on a press tour. You're in New York right now What are you doing? Yeah. So I switched the podcast to Betcha's media and Betcha's acquired the show.

And so they are based out in New York and it was like, we launched it like last month. And then I came back. They had like a PR event where they're actually like introducing you to like PR people. Like this person's from Netflix, this person's of variety. And I've never, like I've always kind of been like on my own in the desert. So it's so interesting to have this team of people,

like push your show or like, hey, is there any possible way we can get this guest on? And there's like a person that reaches out and I keep apologizing to them and they're like, no, this is our job, this is what we get paid for. But it's so exciting because listen, I just, it's nice to be part of a team, but the show is like obviously Bravo, but there's so much other pop culture in there.

And we talk about movies, music, kind of just the gamut other reality shows that aren't just Bravo, Golden Bachelor, which I'm loving. But it's this chance to kind of live my dream. And anytime I can come to New York, you know, and it's like, listen, my mom passed away a couple months ago. So this has been the perfect, like I'm just trying to stay as busy as possible right now to keep my head above water. And laughter, like I get so much laughter out of this

that it's, you know, so this is like truly a gift and it really, I can't believe four years ago when I started this, that I get to be, you know, not only talking to you, but some of the best people out there. I talked to Danny last week. I got to talk to Heather McMahon this week. I got to, like, all of these people, it's truly, it's truly one of the best things that's ever happened to me in my life is doing this.

Yeah, well, right on, it couldn't have happened to a better person, love, archive. So let's go over the state of bravo, salary. We're in kind of a change over mode. I think bravo's kind of always in a change over mode. In one way, it's the same thing at all times. Like housewives have been around for what, 18 years or something. So it's not like that's new, but they're constantly changing. And I wouldn't say evolving.

I think that's probably the wrong word for real housewives or reality TV changing. Let's just say changing. Yeah. More than facially. They added the below deck thing that kind of became its own phenomenon, but otherwise it's really been just this, right? Just housewives, the occasional Southern Charmer winterhouse. The newest is the real housewives of New York.

Their newest attempt to kind of evolve, if you will, is recasting the real housewives of New York. It's been super controversial. I changed my mind about it probably every five minutes. What are your general thoughts on the reboot? How do you feel about it? Listen, I think we were at a point where you have to start like, you know, not to use the word evolving because we know how

his wife's don't evolve, but I do think it's okay to actually, there's new stories and new ladies that are always going to be fascinating, and I think we do ourselves a disservice to not like realize that and champion new stories. I mean, there's new horrible women out there to follow. You don't think there's new, like, come on, like, and also these ladies, like Ramona, Luan, Durinda, they'll always be there. We're gonna get ultimate girls' trip. They'll probably have an old school roney at some point. If the demand is there,

Bravo will not turn down a buck. But I like parts of like New York has this good vibe. Kassal Lake City is like, I feel like I'm on acid every time I'm watching it because it's amazing, insane, it doesn't add up. But then New York's like a completely different speed. I think they got lost in the boonies a little bit. They could have done like two shorter, two less episodes.

But for me, I kind of liked hearing new stories. I kind of liked seeing how the ladies took to cameras. Like, Jessel started off the season where we were kind of like, uh, who's that? And then by the end, we all championed her. And I love that. I loved that we caught on that side was, you know, partially miserable and hungry. I loved, I don't know.

I love all of that. And I'm so excited for the reunion on Sunday, just to see how they play in that sandbox and see how Andy kind of handles that whole thing. Yeah. I was just watching the preview before you came on of the reunion and it was just Aaron going, I didn't say that. I didn't say it. I've what? I've never said that and then it cuts to Aaron saying it, which I just, you know, she's such a liar and it got me so infuriated already. And so I think that's a good sign of a housewives show or really

any bravo show where you're just pissed off. And I don't think, I think that's a good sign of a housewives show or really any brabo show where you're just pissed off And I don't think I think sometimes where in New York the old New York was Veering off into Craig Raytown is that the anger was not fun anger. It was like wow Yes, that's like Racist that's like it's not the same. It's not it's not fun anger It's like grab a torch and pitchfork and a torch You know and get with the downstance people and go take down Ramona like that's that's not as fun You know I that last season when Ebony was at Ramona's apartment and trying to talk her about the election and Ramona kept trying to use different tactics

Like laughter tears back to laughter harder tears. She her dog, puts her dog over her face, and I thought, this is, that's good. That's, I was like, at some point I was like, she's gonna run out of her own building, she's gonna run out of her own building, and everybody's gonna be, have to be escorted out. And I forget, like the fandom, we are so interesting,

because I remember, we all talked about it, how miserable that season was, and then they actually do something about it, and now we find a new way to be miserable with these ladies. And I'm just like, you gotta give it two seasons. You gotta give housewives two seasons. You never know, and I find if you build that foundation, which I think they did a good job of this season,

when things really pop off, we'll actually know these ladies a little better. So it'll be that much more resonant when like insane shit does go down. I agree that we need to give people at least two seasons. I do agree with that. I also believe in term limits. You know, I've been a proponent of term limits for a long time. But yeah, I think they do deserve more of a season.

That said, I think they went a little too sterile I think they were like you know what the last New York really pissed everybody off So let's make this one like As little on the offensive as we you know like it's not offensive as we possibly can You know what I mean like the most controversial, like it's just hungry all the time. That's our biggest complaint, is that they're hungry. And they don't understand why someone's husband wants to get miles to go out of the car.

I mean, that's what it's a little too much. You need insane people. And I lived in New York for 10 years. And if you're gonna find insane people anywhere, it's that fucking city. So I don't know how they found this many non-insane people. I mean, these are a lot of people with no insanity. Give me some insanity.

Well, and then Lizzy, who was on the cast, they fire immediately because she did have an insane moment supposedly. I'm like, wait, we couldn't ride with that. We couldn't even try to deal with that. So we go back to fighting about restaurants, text messages. Like we're back to basics, and I didn't mind that. I just thought, you don't need 13 episodes of it.

You could have done like 11 episodes season, but also to your point of like the editor trolls with the, I didn't say that stuff. Why don't they do it reunions? Like I want to see a big screen come down like the Hattadoe C and make those ladies watch everything that they said that they did. Like I want to see a big screen come down like they had at OC and make those ladies watch everything that they said that they did. Like, I want to see them watch themselves.

Like they show us, but I want to see those ladies facial reactions watching them get caught in their own lives. And I don't know why they don't do it. Like Andy could have a little marker and circling things like they do on football. Like, look at this guy's past return. I want to see that. We have the technology. But you know, speaking to that, they didn't admit it, even when they saw themselves being confronted with it.

I mean, Shannon, you've got Shannon and Tamra there, and they're obviously well-practiced housewives. They've been around forever, but they would be confronted with things that they actually said, and they'd be like, no, I didn't. And be like, yeah, roll the clip. No, I didn't say that.

Yes, he did. That's AI. That's, you know, that's AI, Andy. That's AI and it's not fair what you're doing with my likeness. For especially, Tamara, or when Tamara started yelling at Andy and told him, shut the fuck up and just be quiet over there. Whatever she took. You shut the, go sell your CBD and you're lucky to be back.

And maybe what do your guys take on this? Tamra, like I keep saying this on the show, Tamra and I'm not endorsing this, but there's gotta be witchcraft involved. How does everybody just buy everything that she says? Like you just said Tamra will be like, no I didn't, people were like, well, moving on. Like what are you talking about?

How does anybody ever trust Tamra again? She's obviously iconic, but she must make you feel so at ease that you accept her lying to your face on a regular basis. It's truly astounding to watch. Well, haven't you ever had that friend or that family member that's just so crazy that everyone's like, nah, all right. You know, like in my family,

like, okay, mom, you know, you're right. You know, what are you gonna do? You know, you just, at some point, you're like, I'm too old to fight. What are my options here? You just say, okay, you know, let's go to lunch. And I think that that's kind of what it is with Tamra. And also people are, you know,

and they talked about this at the reunion when Andy said, and Heather said that, a Tamra accused Heather of saying that the only reason she was nice to Tamara was because she was afraid of Tamara. She said, I didn't say that's the only reason that I'm nice to you. I said, it's the reason I won't go against you. I was like, well, that is the same thing. And it's true, I think it's universal.

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Follow Ghost Story wherever you get your podcasts. Listen everywhere on October 23rd or you can binge early and at free on Wondry Plus, the same day. Listen, Heather took her eye off the price. She was so busy, concerned with IMDB and acting this season, that she did not realize she had to deal with somebody that was as potentially devious as Tamara,

and I think it bit her in the ass. I I'm like stop worrying about auditions and Beverly Hills and get your head in this game right now because Heather looks shell shocked by the end of the season. She looked completely rattled and it wasn't a complete Heather takedown season like everybody had predicted but they did really manage to stick it to her in weird ways. It kind of was a Heather takedown season that thing is when you're that rich it just doesn't matter. You know managed to stick it to her in weird ways. It kind of was a Heather takedown season. The thing is, when you're that rich, it just doesn't matter.

You know what I mean? I think the audience looked at it and they're like, well, Heather still wins. I mean, she sold the house for $50 million. I mean, what did they spend on that? $55 million. $10 million did they spend on it? She said like $10 or $11 million.

And they sold it for $55 million. I mean, Heather does not give a crap with these terrible, you know, track-weaved, crazy people think. Like they all look like a bunch of cornstocks with, you know, they look like a bunch of cornstocks with Beastong lips, like screaming at her unintelligibly. She literally does not care. I mean, Heather took her kids to college on a private jet. Like imagine me getting dropped off at Arizona to college on a private jet. Like, imagine me getting dropped off

at Arizona State University on a private jet. Like, that was insane. And her daughter, Lillary, has like a comfy blankie on the private jet to drop her off at a college. That's like, I wanna see more of that. That is extreme wealth to get dropped off at a college on a private jet. It's a flex, but it's also a way to make everybody hate your children.

Don't you think? I don't know. Complete. I mean, don't you think so? I feel like, wow, that's what way to ensure your kids are being college bullied. You know, Heather DeBrow gives 20,000 students a gift basket to welcome her kid. Well, I love a, I love kind of a Heather take down season. And I liked them yelling at Heather because I feel like what

they were saying about Heather was kind of true over the season. It's like, of course, Heather's full of herself. Of course, she feels like she's better than everybody else. Of course, blah, blah, blah. But she really didn't do anything into anybody in particular this season. It's almost like they took, they fell into the trap that I feel like they do a lot on the show where they wanna take somebody down

for whatever, it's like a Vanderpump thing. They could have gotten Vanderpump on so many other things, right? But they all decided now we're gonna take her down, but then Vanderpump hadn't done anything. Like, at that point she really hadn't done anything, so they were trying to take her down over this stupid dog story

And it just it did work. I mean I have to say a lot of the audience is still like fuck man You're bump with oh It's a lot of the dog the I still don't even really understand why people are bad But they could have gotten her on such other things and so it didn't resonate as much when they got her on this stupid thing No, it's like cops taking down people on like like marijuana drug charges. Like, what do you tell, like, you would, right? This makes no sense at all. Like, what do you, and Lisa is still in housewives jails in some circles?

People like, I never want to see her back. And I'm like, are you kidding me? Do you know, good it would be to have Lisa Vanderpump, like even on the last episode of this new season of her coming back, where she's like, you know, hello Kyle, Nigelaine, wouldn't you love if like, can with a hello Kyle, like good bye Kyle, hello Kyle, I would love that. Like the season on a cliffhanger with Lisa just popping up.

Oh, I've, I happened to bring a magazine. Mm, Morgan Wade, baby. She's bring a magazine Morgan Wade She's just playing random Morgan Wade tunes in her house whenever she's having the ladies over for tea parties Yeah, I directed a video for Morgan Wade as well Kyle Much better better sin of a talk of me nick a lane did the set dressing Turns out I was in Morgan Wade's first ever music video darling just to Lisa Vanderpump when she was like 25

Lick it The blacked out like their tahtas are out completely naked with the blacked out bar. I was dancing like a young nymph But yeah to your point it is kind of like when they took Al Capone, Al Capone had done all this stuff and they finally got Al Capone on tax evasion charges, you know. That is kind of the house-wise move where they just, they will take you down no matter what. And I feel like that's what they did to Heather this year. And they did beat her down. But by the end, I think that everybody agreed that Tamara was to blame for everything,

but they still hated Heather. It was bizarre. It was really bizarre. And Tamara's, and it's interesting, because it's Tamara, like she's definitely not like Lisa Rina was last season where people were just so sick of her, because like it's weird,

people appreciate that Tamara's back and what she brings to it, and they're almost like willing to look the other way. Like she's fun to dislike. Tamara is fun to dislike. We all see Tamara's moves 10 miles away. But it's just funny because these other ladies don't seem to see her moves again and again and again. And even Tamara, like three episodes into the season must have been like, I didn't

think it was going to be this easy. I truly didn't think it was going to be this easy for me. This is amazing. Well, it's one of those things where you know, you know, you know those TikTok video, this is terrible. I shouldn't even say this, but you know, there's like TikTok videos of people, stupid kids like waving around the guns, and then they shoot themselves in the foot or something on accident. It's kind of like one of those where people... What TikTok videos are you watching? Listen, I'm very old, but I feel like every time I've seen these videos, they've had the TikTok, the little TikTok thing on them. So I'm like, I guess that's what the kids are doing. They're shooting themselves when I sit on a TikTok.

But anyway, I've seen a couple of them, and it reminds me of Tamara, because Tamara's like a weapon, and everybody's like, oh, it's so fun. I have this weapon, I'm gonna use this weapon against Heather, but then they shoot themselves in the foot with the same weapon. It's like the, it's still like,

nah, it's still very, very violent, and it does not care who it's being used to. Like you can be playing with it now, but then Tamara will use you to get it Heather, but then turn right around and start blaming you for everything as well. So.

Yeah. No, Tamara and also the fact that she was able to win Shannon back so quickly and Shannon was like, I, you know, I don't trust her. I'm gonna, it's gonna be a while until and then within third episode like Shannon's like hogging her deeply. And I was like, these are their decades. Yeah, there's no friendship like this.

What are you talking about? Tamara goes, you're my best friend, Shannon. I'm like, no, Tamara's best friend is the show. Tamara's best friend is Real Housewives of Orange County. Nobody else is her best friend. You know, everybody, it's the show is the number one for Tamra, everything else. But Tamra will totally lie to your face and go, you are my best friend that I've ever had in my life, Shannon. And Shannon, Shannon wants to hear that so deeply that it just, it woozer.

Yeah. I mean, good Lord. She tried to 50, 150 you with Heather. Do you remember that when they were like? Um, I think she's losing it. Should we call someone? Should we go? You will know the truth. She's like being dragged. What was that Lizzie's house? Whose house was that? That weird fucking house dinner? They're like kind of spiral-ish staircase to win up. And the dragging share of the staircase just going, you well, I'll know the trail.

Jim Bellino is watching begrudging leaves like there. And then I, I mean, she had it. And the other it was so eerie this house wise because I don't think there's been another reunion where they've like had to flash up like if you or anyone you know is dealing with substance abuse issues like every time they would go to a Shannon segment they would have to put up that warning and I was like that is dark because obviously they're like 10 days after this Shannon was in an accident where she hit a house and I just thought wow we're at a place where they're throwing

up warnings now at a reunion to warn people about drugs and alcohol, and then they cut to a shannon segment. That's wild. Yeah, well, it's also so hypocritical. I mean, it's just bravo. Like they literally give these people so much alcohol to fight for ratings. And then they're like, if anybody you know has an alcohol problem, yeah, everybody on this cast.

How about you turn the fucking camera around? Okay. Hey, Bethany, if you're listening, this is at 22 minutes and 47 seconds, you're probably gonna wanna get this for whatever case you're building right now. I can't with the Bethany, Frank, okay, see there. Listen, and I believe that people should be protecting.

Did you see that dinner? Did you had the other night? What was it? Go ahead and tell us about that because I live in my own planet. I saw a little thing on Instagram about it. And I was like, I really do not like her makeup here. That's all I got from it. So you go ahead.

That's all I get. Well, she did have makeup, but she had like a, I don't know what she was calling it. Like, I don't know. It's like the UN of bad vibes, but she was like a woman's, I think she created her own woman's summit or some sort and provided like a buffet dinner

But Neenie Leaks was there. You had the artist formerly known as Raquel Levis Rachel was there then Then you had Larsa Pippin you had Larsa there and then it gets really bizarre because you had Jenny Garth from 90210 Antiphany Amber Theson from 90210 You had the red haired actress from Clueless. You had a manza Smith from Selling Sunset on Netflix. And the only thing was, and then there was a couple like randoms that I still don't know who they are.

But I was just like, what are you cooking up? It just feels, I'm like, what is, what are you talking about at dinner? What's going on? So do you think that that was to get all these people for her reality reckoning thing? I think, well, listen, they had that press release or that push on page six last night that vanity fair is the quote is deeply has a deeply reported.

Deeply reported. Deep reported. Coming out very deep. I was like, that sounds sexy, deeply reported. Do you want to get deeply reported with me? Or really spiritual. But that sounds sexy, deeply reported. Do you want to get deeply reported with me? Or really spiritual. It's like, okay, the housewives are being mistreated, but you guys hug your inner child.

Yeah, but it's like an article about Bravo's relationship with housewives. I just feel like we already know what's in this article, just like you said, like yeah, they probably do encourage these ladies to drink. We all celebrate these ladies' bad behavior. If you're going to do an article that's like confirming that, we already know that. They'll probably release it during Bravo Con to try to like write off that press in a week

and a half, but it just kind of reeks of like, I don't know, I just call her fronkel now. It just feels like she's fronkeling all over the place. I don't like her, I, listen, I think that people probably should be unionized in some way. I don't think people who've been on housewives for 10 years should just get that $20,000 paycheck for their first two seasons or whatever they get,

which is always nothing. We all know that they don't get paid anything for their first couple of years. Yeah. And even when they do start getting paid a lot, it's not Julie Roberts money. You know what I mean? It's not, no, not the reality shows.

The reality shows. They're like shoestring budgets usually, but it's like, so I'm in screen actors guild union. Like, after, like, can you imagine Tom Schwartz having to pay dues? He would completely forget. Like, if there was a reality show union, you would have to have to remind these people, they having to pay dues. He would completely forget. Like if there was a reality show union, you would have to have to remind these people, they have to pay dues.

You know, like could you imagine like trying to get one of these housewives actually remembered even pay their dues for this union? I'm all for better life. There would be a lot of defaults. There would be a lot of people just being in the union for five minutes. And I don't think it should be for everybody.

I don't think it should be like a season one survivor person necessarily or one season survivor person. But you know, these housewives, they are, like let's say they get paid $20,000 for a season. That season still plays every week. Like it plays in reruns forever. And they're called an asshole on the street for years. The rest of their lives lives like they never escape it

You know what I mean someone's gonna bring up some shit They said 20 years ago on a housewives show because it just played that Saturday and I feel like they should be compensated Bravo makes money forever now that said I feel like Bethany Frankl's just trying to ruin it and I fuck on Yes, don't I think she's And I fuck off. I wait my housewives. She's under the guise of trying to help, but I always feel she's trying to burn it all down. I feel she's a universe destroyer,

not a universe builder. And I think there's like a difference. And I think unfortunately, since we do watch these ladies so much over decades now, that we do know their agenda. Like it's like we've seen Bethany and so many other business dealings that, wait, all of a sudden she grew this amazing heart and wants to protect everybody.

Like, I talked to Captain Lee this week, which I know you guys are good buddies with. And like, he was very adamant of like, listen, when I signed up to do this show, like, once I got, you know, once they decided to use me, I said the only thing that I won't budge on is safety. He was like, that's just where it ends for me. Like, I need to make sure this boat is safe. And I'm like, that's amazing. Like, he's always out there when he's doing this, trying to like, that's just where it ends for me. Like I need to make sure this boat is safe. And I'm like, that's amazing. Like he's always out there when he's doing this, trying to like make sure at the end of

the day that boat and those guests are protected. He doesn't care like the show be damned. And I think that's like the attitude you have to have. Well, you know, to your world ender, Bethany, she is like that villain from Avengers. What's the guy's name with the Infinity Rings? Thanos. Yeah. She's like that villain from Avengers. What's the guy's name with the Infinity Rings? Thanos. Yeah. She's like Thanos.

Did Thanos have a point kind of? I mean, is the world overpopulated? It is. You know what I mean? I'm real. Ronnie's coming out hard. Hey, you guys know Ronnie from Watch What Kevin said, Thanos had a point. He's disgusting.

He's disgusting. Ben, Ben, Ben, doing. Yeah. You got an argument. The world was overpopulated. And really was rooting. I'm rooting for Thanos. Yeah, I mean, he was, you know, he collected all the rings and then you saw a bunch of the people disappear. And yeah, it was sad, but was it painful? Not really. I mean, it was like kind of painless. They just disappeared. And then you were like, you know, you knew a bunch of deer came out. Like when everybody had to stay inside because of COVID, like when that first happened and everybody stayed inside and they were like, the world is coming back to life. And you know, suddenly,

they're a deer on the freeway and bears raising their children and streams or whatever. Yeah, there's no smog in LA. children and streams or whatever. Yeah, there's no smog in LA. Bethany kind of, it's like she kind of has a point, but she's still at the end of the day, you're rooting for the Avengers to like get her in the end. You know, I really do want to show down in New York City. I want to see someone throw a cat batter. Like, I've had it.

And at the end of the day, I still stand for Housewives over you, ma'am. Get the hell out of here with this. Oh my God. Can you imagine in Times Square, it's like Bethany's in the middle and like the Avengers, like Luanne, Ramona, so they're all around her, like just like throwing, like throwing weapons to each other to like defeat Bethany and then like the final blow is Jill Zarin. You know, like, ah, hey, just you see cab windows breaking out, you know, wind building scrumbling just from the alley. Come here, Allie, are you getting this?

Allie, do you got a good shot of me defeating Bethany? It's Mally looking great, everybody. Look at Allie here. Allie, do you have anything to say to Thanos? Allie's got a very nice boyfriend. We're very happy. Look at Thanos, collected all of the rings. Isn't that something you collected all of the sums? I've been looking for those stones forever. And you know what, don't forget to thank me.

I introduced you to the people who showed you what those stones were. Okay. Let's choose. Here comes one right now. What do you think about this new season of God? This is just neither here nor there and unfortunately I don't have an editor to edit this out, but half of my face is shaded and it's really making me crazy. It seems like an artistic choice, but it's not.

Yeah, what? By the way, if you guys are watching this once Ron, and he started talking about Thanos, half his face went dark. Like it was like, he was like, he was like, like, Thanos had a point right in the matter what you want to say. Yeah, the sun's coming right there.

Yeah. Okay, so let's talk about the state of real housewives of Beverly Hills, which is coming back this week. How do you feel? Are you excited about it? Success and no success. What do you see in the future for Beverly Hills?

I'm excited. I think we've got to be excited about these things. Like let's see what they have to show us. I'm excited to see a season without Rina. I'm excited to see how Erica Jane tries to get along with these women, you know, of like, and I love that she's like, I'm gonna, do they still wanna see Erica Jane?

Do they still, do people wanna work with me? I love that she treats herself like Lady Gaga. I love that we've like complete, like I can't wait to see if she's still in that little pool house that they show from like the sad back, like, you know, the place that she lives in now. And then on top of it, watching Sutton kind of, I feel like this is a, this is a really

big season for Sutton, where she's going to like be completely off the wall, probably half villain, half hero. And if you watch that first episode or like even the first seven minutes, Kyle's going through, Kyle's really going through some growing pains. She's in a Dawson's Creek kind of thing where I feel like she's discovering her body, her sexuality, herself, her marriage. She's getting tattoos. I think it's really exciting to see somebody that we've seen so long on this show go through

a really big shift in their personal life. And I don't know, I'm very hopeful. My thing is, we'll know within like four episodes if this thing's gonna fly or not. But it's Beverly Hills. The fashions are already completely ridiculous. If you look at the like talking heads, you've got PK, like the show opens up with PK,

eating like two bags of potato chips. And I'm like, that's it, man. That's like salt of the earth, PK and it's like, what are you doing, PK? You're cholesterol! And they immediately go to a spiritual advisor in the first episode named like Eagle Feather. It's, I'm excited. Well, Beverly Hills is a reminder that housewives does not have to be exciting. I mean, really, if you've got the past few years of Beverly Hills, nothing happens on that damn show. And we're still very excited because the things

that end up happening, the Kathy Hilton stuff or Rinne and Eric are accusing Kathy Hilton of being a terrorist, which I still believe, but still don't care about. Like I was still team counting. Two things can be true at once. Two things can be true at once. So when that happened, that was all the way at the end of the season. And they rode the entire season on that coming up on Beverly Hills. And we still enjoyed this. I mean, I've still enjoyed pretty much

every season of that, even though it's gotten real bad. Kyle's always been one of my least favorite housewives. I just, she makes me crazy, but I'm so excited to see a woman in Beverly Hills go through this middle-aged crisis with the teenager, you know, not teenager, you know, it won't be that gross, but Morgan Wade is really young comparatively. And I've loved it. Like going for a young, hot ass, you know, person to cheat with

after finding out your spouse has been cheating all this time. Allegedly, not sure that that's what happens. That's my guess. I like the old side of Morgan Wade. I'm just excited for like Morgan Wade's voice of like, hey Kyle, stocked me. She has this kind of She has this like a bubble cup. Oh, She's so hard cuz I do that Erica Jay's like this. I'm gonna I'm gonna have to figure out a way to do Morgan Wade's voice

Some call this sling blade Some call this sling blade. Yeah, you put most remember Billy Bothoy. Yeah. No, it's a Doreet's shot. She's like, Kyle, she's getting your initial tattooed on her. Like Doreet has never seen anything so scandalous in her life of Morgan Wade getting a K on her body. Is that what it is?

It doesn't she get an M on her body for Morgan or something? What is it? She gets a K. I'm sure, but I think it was a K and Morgan was getting the K and she's like Kyle, she's getting a tattoo of you. People pop me, boom, boom, boom. Like it's insane. And then Mauricio, Mauricio, having to like,

I don't know, it's wild, but Kyle's love of country music has finally gone too far. Like she started on a huge KC Musgrave fan, and now she's like, I love that she's out there scouting people like Barry Gordy with Motown. She's like, I love this Morgan Wade, and then she found a way to get in Morgan Wade's life. Because that is what she did, right?

So we're not, she liked Morgan Wade, and then she became her manager or something. What the fuck is that? Kyle's a manager. That's true, right? She's doing a documentary of Morgan's. She got Morgan a bunch of articles in the LA Times. All the sudden Kyle's a mover and a shaker in the music industry. But Kyle, we've known Kyle's loved country music.

She used to have that framed photo of Casey Musgraves in her house. So I feel like this is Kyle's like, you know, it's like a starter Barbie doll. She's like, oh, I'll be able to like, you know, kind of see how this works. And I feel like if this really goes well, let's just start representing other young female country singers. Oh, Kyle, just, you know, I mean, good for you.

You know, good for you, hobby, hobby, country music star hobbyist. I mean good for you. You know good for you hobby hobby Country country music star hobbyist. I mean listen I'm yeah, I mean I'm free. I've been mad with Kyle over the years just because I don't like her on housewives She's made me great also. I will never forget the Lisa Vanderpump take that. I just won't this so it's my that's something It's gonna bug me forever. But I do support a Kyle. And it's hard also after having to watch two Halloween with Kyle in it. Like I literally watch both of those films.

I can be as hateful as I want to be, but I still will go watch your stupid movie. Am I watching it to make fun of you? Of course. But they were so bad and Kyle was so bad in them. She wore all those rings. She was like bad in them. She wore all those rings, she was like, she was like getting into care, she wore all the rings, she was, that's where she started her tattoo fascination was on that movie and she was like, you know,

she was like the fart, it's so funny when it's like, Kyle, the next movie. Where did that character even come from? Cause she wasn't that in the first three-do movie, but then the second one, she was like, I read tarot cards in bartend. I think she told her producers, like if I'm gonna come back, you don't have to pay me,

but I gotta do Daniel Day Lewis shit. Like I want potentially an accent, I want more tattoos, rings, I wanna look like Johnny Depp. You know? And also I wanna manage Michael's music career. So I will not be covering back. They're okay Kyle. Okay. Remember remember remember when she said she she said Michael Myers

on a stunt gone wrong broke her face. And that's when she went and got her nose job. She was an it was a stunt gone wrong on Halloween. Yes. But a nose gone so right. Thank you Michael Myers. Michael Myers will be playing at the palladium soon I'm managing Michael Myers country career. It's like Daniel Lisa Vanderpomp I still can't win I still can't read like why is Michael Myers getting a tattoo of your name Kyle What else is coming up went this new winter house is coming up. This week they are not going to be airing real housewives of Salt Lake City. They're trying to trick us.

What? By putting winter house in this place. It's not crazy. I just found out because I was making the schedule for the week. And that's what Bravo schedule says. So what the hell? I'm supposed to go week with that real housewives of Salt Lake City. What's going to happen to the great lady?

She's Greek. No, that running, no, I don't know. I haven't been able to listen to your show, but like I did do some digging. She is, she's Greek and GK. I don't know what she is Greek, but she's, yeah, I know it's great. Yeah, no, it's the real deal. We broke it. Did you write the new radar online actually broke the news about

Angie being Greek? So that's not just, and also I love and I'm loving Salt Lake so much and I just love the continent references to the mean streets of Salt Lake. They're like it's crazy. I heard on the mean streets of Salt Lake these rumors about your guy and I'm like every time they show the streets of Salt Lake everybody's just casually walking and it's like beautiful snow and they're like the streets are talking about you guys. I know.

All those coffee clutches outside the temples, you know, I love that every time they show it, it's like this holy, they, it's only temples in Salt Lake city that they show. And then they're like, everyone's talking about your husband getting it at the bomb. Everybody. Come on. You crazy. And Angie's like, I'll dare you. Talk about my husband being gay. the bomb everybody. Come on, you crazy. And Angie's like, I'll dare you talk about my husband being gay.

I've never, never in my life. Oh, people have been calling him gay 30 years. It's like, well, wake up your mind. Pick a lane. Angie, no, but you can tell it's like Angie K is half offended and half so excited to have a storyline of her own that doesn't involve the show. She was like, you know what, my husband's dealing with some tough stuff, but this is for my future.

This is like, she truly, it's like finally got the ball and she's running with it and she's just so excited to have that. And she's like, wait, am I supposed to get into a fight with Monica now? She doesn't even know. She's like, am I doing good in the scene? It's really fun to watch.

And I just, I look forward to it every week so deeply because it's like a David Lynch film. None of it adds up. None of it makes sense. Mary Cosby finds out her son was married for a year that lives in her house. And then she like has to go to Vegas because a year ago, her Vegas house flooded.

I'm like, a year ago, what like, this Mary Cosby in a year ago, like what has happened a year ago that you didn't know anything? That is something, okay, that show notes are probably 15 to 20 pages, okay, that is no joke. Like writing down every single thing. Then I went and talked about it,

then was out this week, so I did it alone. So that's even more like sitting there, concentrating on what's going on. There is so much going on on that show. I didn't even realize that Mary said that about her house flooding and going a year ago. Like it didn't even, this show's so crazy. It didn't even click with me until I was reading comments

and people are like, how could you not mention it? Did Mary Cosby's house flooded a year ago and she has to go take care of it? That's how crazy that show is. No, and then you even feel crazier because the only person that will really do or Mary will allow to do one-on-one scenes with signs like a fish-fil-a sandwich is Meredith Marks and Meredith treats her as an equal. Meredith will be like, your show wise, Mary, you're just show wise.

I agree with everything you say and Mary will just say the most batch of things and Meredith will be like You show funny Mary you're so correct and I just don't get it like I feel like I'm going insane But I can't I can't turn away. It is my favorite season. Let's see loves the crazy And then what it so speaking last thing. Let's just quickly talk about this winter house This is an interesting thing they're trying to do. And this is another thing in Bravo trying to kind of change it up because the winter house idea isn't a bad one, right? They have summer house where they get a bunch of dumb domes who are somewhat good looking together to possibly fucking fight for a summer. And then they figured, hey,

let's just do it in winter house. They'll shoot two or three weeks. Cheap as hell. These people will work for Instagram likes, but it was getting a little stale having just the summer house people and a couple of random thrown in. So now they've decided to bring in, they're calling it summer house

below deck family karma, even though they've only got one guy from family karma. So yeah, Brian, yeah. What do you think? I'm always for like that kind of like shared universe where we're all under the same sky. I like those things and I wish Bravo had hopped on that earlier because like 90 day fiance, like really scared the crap out of me about like throwing all of their cast members in different

iterations of the show. So I'm down for it, but it also makes me laugh of like, you know, out of me about like throwing all of their cast members in different iterations of the show. So I'm down for it, but it also makes me laugh of like, you know, all these people are like snowboarder, like snowboarding enthusiasts. And like it just cracks me up that that's, they're out there, they want a hot tub. It's like really basic, it's really simple, but I dig it. I think the cool thing about this is we get to see Schwartz try to like do the like, oh, Shucks, man, because Schwartz is coming like in like the heels of Scandalval. So he's like, oh, me and Tom were supposed to do this together, man,

which by the way, at your crappy awards, I was sitting next to Ariana that night, and that's, you know, this was like a week and a half before Scandalval all broke, was at the crappies, and she was talking about that like Tom and Tom were supposed, like we're hosting Winterhouse. They were the ones supposed to host the whole house. They was like their house to lead and then Scandal Ball broke like a week and a half later

and it changed everything. But it is interesting to watch sports like, oh, I've just wanted a snowboard so hard and for so long and I've just been dealing with so much. And then you have Malia from below deck, like, Narcan on everybody. I mean, I'm down to watch. It's so easy to, it's gonna be easy to watch. I love that Malia came as a brunette this time,

like to try and change her reputation. I mean, it's so funny how that works. It's like, I'm a brunette now. I'm not a narc. I'm a brunette. So. I'm not seeing this woman. I'm not downunette. So. I'm not seeing this woman. I'm not down from Malia necessarily.

I will never forgive her either. I'm not a very forgiving person, but I do love a good villain. And hopefully she is a good villain and doesn't try too hard to get whatever. I mean, I don't know. Do you really need a good reputation to do whatever Malia does to do a boasting job?

You don't need like a nice person reputation, you know, she's got a good work reputation. Anyway, I'm kind of excited to see it, but there's gonna be so many housewives on it. We're all gonna, all the Bravo Recapers are about to enter a season of both a golden season, but also a hellish fucking season. We're all gonna need to organize a group Bravo recap

revocation together, which we actually should do, you know? Well, wouldn't that be, I mean, like, why don't we go to the winter house? Why don't we rent that cabin? Just a bunch of Bravo podcasters. I mean, we can film it if we want, but just like go relax. Like, my knee won't be able to handle any snowboarding,

but it will, like, it would just be nice for Bravo. No, we need like a summer break. Like teachers have a summer break. Why can't Bravo give us like a summer break from talking about these shows? And I know it'll never happen because of money, but it is wild because we have Beverly Hills, Potomac, Married to Medicine, and Miami

all coming out in the next couple of weeks. And then I have a prediction that Vanderpump rules will start in January because they were filming the title card sequence last week. So I have a feeling at BravoCon, they'll show us some sort of teaser for season 11. And I feel like they don't wanna let that air out of the bag with the intensity of the fandom.

So I have a feeling they're gonna rush that season out in January. Do you, are you going to BravoCon? Yeah, yeah, are you guys going BravoCon? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Are you guys going to? No, we're not. Oh, really? We're, it is.

We're not going. And we're, you know, at first, I think we thought, the first BravoCon, we thought, oh, you have to be invited to BravoCon. We weren't invited. So that's kind of how we first thought. But then we're, everybody's like, you idiots, you don't have to be invited.

Everybody just goes. And we, we are Bravo fans, we're not on Bravo. Why would they invite us? We're a fan podcast. Well, you guys should be, no, but I mean, come on, I think people would kill to hear you guys host a panel or see you guys host a panel. I mean, that's obvious.

I mean, there's like, you guys, Danny, like, there's like a people that just we associate, you are part of that brand, Piriud. So the fact that they don't is wild to me, but also like you're saying, like I go as a fan. Like it'll be a lot of time. We should go as just fans and hang out with everybody because everybody's going and I feel like we're not going.

It's like a big group trip. You know, in high school, I didn't go on the European trip. You know how they have that where like, yeah, my parents like if you want to go, we can try and you know, do whatever to get you to go. And I was like, if you want to go, we can try and, you know, do whatever to get you to go. And I was like, I'm not gonna go hang out with everybody on up in Europe and they don't have air conditioning

and where's my McDonald's gonna be? I think it was as big back then. And I refused to go. And that's one of my biggest regrets. And I feel like this is Bravo, recap or European trips, European class trips. You know, I mean, I will say, like last year I went and it was, like I barely survived,

but it was the time of my life. You get to meet all of these people that love the same shows, you get to argue about the stupid arguments that you had all year, but you get to do it in person, you get to have drinks, you get to have, I mean, like it's just, it was really just,

I mean, I hate to say it's sound corny, but it was a magical experience. And in Vegas, I mean, to be able to see Chef pass out at a poker table will be hysterical. Like somebody's not gonna make it. You're gonna be like, every day you'll hear rumors about like which Bravo Lebb hooked up with which Bravo Lebb. I mean, that kind of stuff will be insin,

you know, Santa Valle was gonna be running around like acting like nothing happened. Like, oh, dude, let's do this dude. Yeah, pins and batteries. Like I can't wait to see that, and Vegas just amps it up to a whole other level, so I'm super, I wish you guys were going. Like I thought I figured you guys would,

I was like, oh, we'll be able to drink there. Darn it, we should, maybe we can still go. I mean, I guess we can still get tickets. Maybe I'll ask, because it would be fun to go. Just go. Anywhere we could talk about this. Just email for our book. Yeah, sorry guys.

Yeah, you're like, Ronnie, you're my bank account number. This is where you're going to go. Like, where are you staying? But yeah, it does sound fun. And now that the time is coming up, I'm getting super jealous. But I'm glad you're going. Are you going to be, you did a lot of coverage last year too, right? On your show? Yeah.

So everybody go follow. Yeah, go follow Ryan, because he does a ton of coverage from BravoCon. You'll be getting a lot of interviews and insider information from inside BravoCon for those of you who are going to be there and for those of you who aren't going. Obviously, it's a great podcast besides. So go check it out.

So bad it's good with Ryan Bailey. Congratulations on Betches and every other great thing happening great podcast besides so go check it out. So bad it's good with Ryan Bailey. Congratulations on Betch's and every other great thing happening to you. You deserve every bit of it, sir. Oh, I mean, I'm just I'm thrilled to be a part of this community and I'm thrilled to even be able to talk to you guys in any capacity. You can have both of my knees. I hope the crappies happen again in January. I'm just so excited that I get to be part of the shared universe with you guys. And as always, I look up to everything that you do. And your audience is like second to none.

You guys have the nicest audience of anybody. That's true. They are so, no, it really is. They're not, they're not Dix, you know? Like everybody's really cool and so supportive. Yeah, everybody's really cool. We really like that in that regard. For sure. And we'd love you you Ryan. Thank you so much for being

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