Watch What Crappens - #2208 Crappy Hour Live: Vanity Fair Exposé and RHONJ Drama

Episode Date: October 31, 2023

We are talking about the alleged Bravo bombshell article in Vanity Fair — was this shocking or just stuff we already knew?  Plus, rumors about RHONJ and Southern Charm.  Be sure to join us for Crappy Hour every other Monday at 8:30 ET / 5:30 PT on Instagram and Youtube: @watchwhatcrappens.  See you there :) See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hello and welcome to Crapy Hour. I'm Ben, that's Ronnie. We're here on Instagram live. We're simul casting over to YouTube. Hi everyone on YouTube. YouTube sounds fine. It says Marceal, by the way, hi Marceal. What a week. This is such a week for Bravo. Because in true Bravo's fashion, we have all the varsity, almost all the varsity housewives are airing this week. We have premieres, we have fanalities, we have reunions, we have bravo con, and we even have scandal in the news. So it's a real gift.

I feel fortunate that we get to do a crappy hour this week. It's a bounty. Okay, it's a bounty. If this were the Hunger Games, we all be killing each other to get to this fucking bounty in the middle of the stage or whatever. It is a bounty. It's a lot. And so this week we're not going to be covering

a couple of things. We're not doing below deck and we're not doing winter house this week. Because guess what? The housewives are insane. Insane, my name is Madison. And we have to do the, we have to do the ball. We've got Real Housewives of New York whichane, my name is Madison. And we have to do them all. We've got real housewives of New York,

which just ended, thank you, Jesus. For, really, you know what, thank you for everything you've given us, especially the end of that reunion as well. Good night. Take a nap. Go to sleep. God is sleep.

We have the Miami. Hi, Lindsay. We have the Miami premiere coming up this week. We've actually already seen it and we can report that it's great. It's great. When we say it's great, we're not being like Andy Cohen being like, wow, this just in. The new room is in and people are obsessed.

No, it's a good premiere. I like Louis just choked doing Andy Cohen right there. That's really good. The English, but that's not the only one that is great. Just back. Okay, so obviously there was some big news this week, but we're going to start with some smaller items they don't get lost in the mix. So one item that I feel like I thought was going to be a thing in the world of Bravo is this. Here's the headline, School Resource Officer, injured after hit and run crash in Monks Corner. This is an article from Live 5 News, the Low Conscious News Leader.

Basically, the article goes on to say that someone was hit by a car. Blah blah blah, you read through it. Then there's this little part at the end of the article that says, Authorities say the registered owner of the vehicle is Catherine Dennis of Monks Corner. It's unclear if Dennis was driving the vehicle at the time. I'm reading the news as if Thomas Rappenel wrote this. It wasn't so clear to Catherine whether she was driving it.

I know. What are you doing? Or if anyone is facing charges, officials have it confirmed at the suspect's the same person who stars and the reality TV show Southern shah. So we don't know if this is the Catherine. Well, but it doesn't go to be surprising if it were. Well, here's the thing, you know, just because we're brought, we talk about Bravo, right?

So if something big happens, people start dinging us. The first thing, the first dean I got was Catherine killed somebody. And I was like, oh my God. Because you know, we're always wondering on this show, like when the first murder is, or like the first housewife to die, which is so dark. But you know, of course, you wonder that stuff

because it's been a long time, right? But I was like the first murder, Catherine murdered somebody, and then of course, this is terrible to say out loud, but of course I was hoping it was murder, Catherine murdered somebody, and then of course, this is terrible to say out loud, but of course I was hoping it was Thomas, you know? But then I read the article and it was a hit and run, and it was originally reported that whoever she hit was dead.

So thank God they were not dead. I mean, for them, I'm not for Catherine and for the kids, you know, for every people. For me, like, what are my feelings in this whole thing? So thank God, but then I was like a school crossing guard. I mean, come on, could you have picked? It's not been good. It's not been good.

It's not been good. I'm like more deserving. I mean, a crossing guard, leave the damn crossing guard alone. She was just seeing the neighborhood. So there isn't a lot of that. There's no- It's just happened to be in the neighborhood and hit a trash can, I think. Not a good fall for Bravo Stars in driving,

but the editor's note says, in early a version of this story, incorrectly reported, the school resource officer, Dodd from injuries, the officer received my injuries and the crash, was in serial regret, the error. How did that happen? It's like, oh, someone had a bruise like they died. It's like, how do you mess that up? Channel five in Charleston.

Yeah. So that was really sad. So hope she's okay because you know, all jokes aside, that addiction obviously are, well, I mean, look, I'm assuming, I don't know, I don't know that she was, she was on something. I don't know, I guess that could get you into trouble. Allegedly, who knows? But I'm glad everybody's okay. You know, and I hope she's okay.

Because one thing we haven't talked about a lot is Catherine not being on Southern Charm because I think a lot of the reason people haven't talked about this story is because Catherine has been such a mess. You know that it's like, ah, Catherine did something bad. And it's kind of like Southern Charm, no one's really talking that much about Catherine missing because she was already kind of missing

so much of last year, I think. Yeah, it's kind of sad that, like, not sad, but I feel like no one has, no one came into the season saying, like, what's the show going to be like without Catherine or how's it going to be? I feel like it was like the transition was very smooth and almost unnoticeable.

Like you said, she was really not very present last year except for those meatballs. So, I don't know. So the Catherine, the post Southern Charm chapter for Catherine feels like it's off to a shaky start at best. Okay. We have the wet-s thing post-catharan, the southern charm to the post,

the post-the post-southern charm chapter for cats. Oh, oh, oh, yeah. Because southern charm. I was just trying to, I was trying to sound academic and smart. Yeah, it wasn't you, it wasn't that you were too smart. I mean, you are too smart, my sense of time. Sorry.

For me, because I'm stupid, but it wasn't that you were too smart. It's that there's a million things. There's YouTube, I'm reading comments on YouTube, reading comments on Instagram and also like mixing that time with being extremely proud of my mugle. So it's like really hard to concentrate. All right, I'm going to see if there's any questions.

Do people have questions you You can ask questions. I'm trying to find, oh, they're there. They Instagram hit them. No questions yet. People that I not turn the questions on. Ask questions, people, maybe. People ask us questions. So another thing that happened is Shannon was a rain today.

Right, was it today that she was a rain? Another drunk driving problem. Well, we're doing it. Look, everybody take your defensive driving and get the Uber app or the lift app, really, or the share app, really any door dash. Call a door dash to help you if you're too drunk to drive. Just call somebody, guys, so we're in 2023 now.

Not to sound like Shannon, because that's what Shannon said when Gina got her DUI. Who gets a DUI this day in a chair? Uber's there. And then watch, you know, I'm gonna get pulled over on something. But I just want to point, sorry, I just want to point out, I want to interrupt you for one second. But I have wanted to clip somebody before. Okay, go ahead.

No, I'm sorry, I did not need to interrupt you right now. What I was just gonna say is that this is showing that there are like a million questions when I click on it. It says no questions yet. So thanks Instagram. Thanks Instagram for not actually showing us the questions that people have showing us the notification that there are questions. But if we're not answering your questions, it's because Instagram is useless.

So what I was going to say is that we do have questions here in the comments, which is, well, why did you leave out a little bit? Ronnie, how about this one? What? Did you see Lenny's mistress Halloween costume? Lenny's, okay, I'm gonna look this up right now. Lenny, what's it, sexy news? Go for a friend costume.

I'm doing it right now, we're gonna find out. Okay. Landing this with... Okay. Okay. Landing this with... Okay. Okay.

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Okay, so let's move on to, I want to move on to another piece of news. Yeah, two dresses like Lisa as the devil from what I can see. Of course. That totally tracks. Okay. Of course, that totally tracks. Okay, so another piece of news is the real housewives of New Jersey cast trip has been canceled. So when I read that headline, I was like, oh no, like what did people do? Was it, is this season so toxic? Like what is wrong? Is it so boring?

Like I started imagining the worst. But then the story behind this is so real housewives of New Jersey, I almost can't even deal with it. Basically, they were going to go to the Berkshires. The real house was a New Jersey castle. They can go to the Berkshires and the place where they were supposed to stay burned down. It burned down the day they were going to go off on the trip and there was not enough time, I guess to get a hotel room or something like that or get all the clearances. And I feel like that is the most Jersey thing that could happen on a trip. Yeah, also, they were supposed to see D'Arinda. So that's not good luck sometimes, you

know, because as we'll talk about later with the Vanity Fair article, a lot of bad luck surrounding Real Housewives of New York. But the Jersey news seems to be that since they kept both Melissa and Teresa for this season, which was ill-advised, they have kind of screwed the season because apparently they have shifted into two counts and neither will film with each other. And so it's been kind of a nightmare of a season to get on camera. So I assumed it was something like that.

Same. I've never... There have been a couple wonky seasons of Jersey, but even in retrospect, those were kind of fun. Even the twins and Amber, Amber and Jim Marchese were awful human beings and God even worse once they left the show. But we still remember them. That was one year. Did you hear, it just occurred to me, I should have put in our document, I'm sorry, because

I think I saw it when I was on the airplane or I don't know, I was at the airport. I read that the gossip going into BravoCon this weekend is that there are two New Jersey panels because they're so at the cast, so divided and they did a last minute switch and that Danielle Cabral is on the panel with Melissa and Margaret, et cetera. And Jackie is on the Theresa panel, because apparently Jackie and I think Margaret

are in a fight, I think Jackie even said, I'm what happens live recently, like, well, I'm not so happy with Margaret these days. So, you know, she's like, I'm not a big fan of it these days. So, parent, like, who'd have ever thought, if this is true, and Molly, you could confirm, because you're going, how could you imagine that Dan Yell is on the Melissa Gorgaside and Dan and Jackie is not with Margaret and that she's

actually with Teresa. Does that even make sense? Nothing really makes sense in this day and age, Ben. Nothing makes sense in this world, this modern world. It does make sense because they've been friends for so long on the show and it's so rare to find a housewives Where people don't fight at least have a season of fighting but also Jackie is a friend of and you know last year when she was friend of for the first year her first year being friend of I mean she was All this stuff kept coming out during the season saying Jackie Jack is a friend of no, actually, Jackie made it to full time.

She's not a friend of anymore. She's really whatever she brought this season was worth it. Now, Jackie's back to full time. And then it turned out she wasn't. So I think that that inspires some crazy insecurity in somebody and not saying that her insecurity is the reason for their fighting. I have no idea.

But you know, you have to bring it. You have to bring it. And that usually means either getting wasted or having some serious trauma or fighting your ass off with somebody. And usually it's going to be your best friend because that's what people want to watch on the house watch. Yeah. I mean, that's just that's just generally how that is.

So it's not that shocking to me. It's not very smart on either one of their parts if it's real because I wouldn't fuck with either one of those two because you know they know everything about each other because those two have really had those discussions. You know, like if we ever, if we were ever the types to really go at it, we know everything about each other me and you know, like, and every shit taught,

especially me, I'm the biggest shit talker in the world, You would be able to completely crucify me with all of that stuff and those two can do that to each other You know, you have to be nice to your if you're gonna rely on somebody's ear and their Mutual, I don't know the mutual sit talking that you have with the best friend You can't just throw that all away and start shit talking each other. What are you two thinking? Get back together. This is not gonna end well. Ronnie, we would have the worst real housewives

viewed the two of us. Because this would be like, I heard that Ronnie crashes car and you'd be like, well, I heard that Ben like slapped someone and I'd be like, no, I didn't do that. I'm so sorry, Ronnie. I really didn't mean to say that. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry too. I love you, I love you Ben slapped someone and I'm like, no, I didn't do that. I'm so sorry, Ronnie. I really didn't mean to say that. I'm so sorry.

You'd be like, I'm so sorry too. I love you, I love you, I love you. It'd be like, me writing an anonymous email to FOMA or TUMA or whatever. And I'd be like, do FOMA. I think Ben is mad at me. Love Ronnie, please keep this. Not signed from Ronnie.

We'll be the worst together. I think Ronnie's mad at Ronnie. What would be the worst thing? I think Ronnie's bad at me. We would have a humble. We'd have the most passive aggressive, sobby fight. By the way, someone asked if I'm on Mars, the answer is yes. No, this is the green screen and I didn't take it down because with my appendix it would have been hard for me. With your appendix.

Ben, I'm really glad you got that in here. That would have been terrible had you made a trip episode without talking about your appendix. Our new co-hosts, my former appendix. We can't even let the appendix go. Yeah, and those were removed. Do you think we're gonna let each other go like that? No, yeah, no. My appendix, I like to call it Tom Sandeval, because it's toxic and I don't need it. I'm so sorry everyone. Trotting out. I still like it. But it was worth it. It was worth it.

It's still worth it. You know, it's for a whole new audience. It's for someone who's here live. So let's, should we move to the big story of the day because I wouldn't thought you before. Sorry. I'm so fucking bossy, you know. I don't care. Who cares? So, okay, oh hi everyone. I've been ignoring everyone on YouTube. Ben's appendix, Mike says Ben's appendix and Emily is, Ben's appendix and Emily is still a lawyer.

That is correct. Okay. So now, and by the way, I also wanna say just for everyone, this is a tease for after this story. I wanna hear from Ronnie about who he's excited to potentially see at Prop O'Connor and who he's not. But we're going to get to that. I'm going to say that right now. But I have to say that out loud so I don't forget. Okay. So Ryan Bailey, Danny Pellegrino, the Bravo docket ladies, Mary Paine. I'm excited

to see all the podcasters. Amy Phillips, the Bravo Liberty is on Terrified F. Okay, so let's. Okay. Okay, so. Welcome up this morning. I'm going to frame this story in the context of my life. Welcome up this morning. I think we're waking up in the morning. Okay, but this is the context of me.

I woke up this morning and in the email email there was something from Vanity Fair, like the PR department of Vanity Fair being like, hey, guess what? We just wrote an expe a about the real housewives. Here's the take a ways. Here's the link. You want to give it some coverage? So I, of course, click on this link. I'm like, oh, what's this going to be all about? So it's the Vanity Fair bombshell about the reality. Here's the headline. Oh, hold on. There's a picture of Bethany Frankel looking like she just

went to a funeral for a hamster. OK, inside the real house, so it has reckoning, that's rocking bravo. So this article, if everyone's been talking about it, the big thing that everyone's been talking about with this article, of course, and it's actually, it's not anything that's funny enough not to be made light of, are allegations basically Ramona Singer saying the M word, being racially insensitive, creating a hostile environment, which is all really

terrible, like just really, really terrible. The details of it are just so Ramona too. Oh my gosh. They're so Ramona. It's like okay. So just to make a long story short of just this, because there's three main sections, right? There's Liam McSweeney is how it opens,

then it goes to Ebony and Ramona basically, and then who's the other one? Maybe it's Ramona and this one. Jill Zaren. Jill Zaren. Yeah, but like and I want to and by the way I'm gonna let you summarize this but what I want to say is that one thing I want to do is I want to talk about the article as a whole because the article Is more than this Ramona section, but I don't want to minimize the because this is like this part is like very serious Right, so you said just sticking with that the Ramona thing. It's just so Ramona

So we find out kind of the whole story because I had listened to the Carlos King podcast when Ebony was on, so I'd heard a lot of this through that. So no offense, vanity fair, but like a lot of this is like old info. It's not really like crazy. I mean, that's kind of my TLDR on the entire article, but go on.

But the details of the Ramona thing. So apparently, this is coming from Ebony. Apparently when Ebony was hired, they had this like racial sensitivity training or something for real housewives of New York. Okay, so that's how they started it. It was a phone call that they were all on this group call. And Ramona was saying the dumbest fucking,

like the most Ramona things in this phone call. And anybody who's seen that show knows that all of this is true and that Ramona said every stupid thing, you know, like they said one sensitive, one part of sensitivity that we need to be aware of is not to make derogatory, stereotypical comments about black people, like for example, that they come from fatherless families or something like that. Ramona is like, why can't we say that? You know, it's true. I looked up a statistic and it's true.

It's like, oh my God. Okay, that's where it should have ended. That's where you guys should have said, we, this is gonna be a disaster. Get fucking rid of Ramona. I mean, you serious? You're on the sensitive and you call. And then Ramona's response to the article is like,

well, it was supposed to be an open dialogue. You know what? I looked at that one, the internet and there it's a 12. Like, you know what? Like I'm sorry I read an article like, you know, cause as far as I know, all black families only have mothers. I'm sorry I read an article, okay.

Like she's saying this stuff. And then she said, the other report is that she basically said to black crew members, like, oh my god, there are like so many of you here. Like don't cut your hair. Otherwise, I'll never be able to tell you apart. said to black crew members like oh my god there like so many of you here like don't cut your hair otherwise I'll never be able to tell you apart and then she actually defended what she said saying no it's because you know what those faces like the other day when I was with Travis Kelsey grammar on the watch what happens

live I thought it was Jack's and Sorrie I can't tell people apart okay yeah I just don't know. Everybody knows that and even no Taylor Swifties boyfriend. Okay. Whoa. Who would have thought I thought this person was unfounded pump laws. So, um, yeah. So terrible, terrible stories, unsurprising stories come out about Ravona.

But the rest of the article, so the article starts though, first of all, this article was clearly pitched by Bethany Frankel. It's all about Bethany. It's all about promoting Bethany's thing. Bethany is the first photo here, the fact that it's called, Inside the Real Housewives Reckoning, that's rocking Bravo.

I don't, like this is clearly a Bethany thing, right? So this article is talking about all the travesties of the real house, of like the real housewives. And to me, honestly, like outside of the Ramona stuff, a lot of it, I'm kind of like, so it's like, guess what? To be, these people in the real house, why? They drink. They drink and they get wasted and they're encouraged to do so. And it's like so much like pearl clutching. I'm like, yeah, why do you think we're tuning in? It's such a, it was to me, it like red as this like shockingly, um, like, not pure tanical, but like,

huffy piece that's like, ah, I can't believe this. I'm like, these are grown adults. I'm sorry, these are people, a lot of times in their 40s and 50s, who have full agency over their lives, and they're choosing to do this. And it's almost like trying to take the network to task. I mean, the network is shady for sure,

but it's kind of like, are you coming for our entertainment when like, we know this, we're here to see the mess, we're here to see how messy people react in society, in public, in public, in polite society, and now like we're supposed to be like, ah, heavens, heavens, drink, we are mixed in.

We're mixed in. We're mixed in, we're mixed in, we're mixed in, we're mixed in, we're mixed in, we're mixed in, we're mixed in,

we're mixed in, we're mixed in, we're mixed in, we're mixed in, we're mixed in, we're mixed in, we're mixed in, And you know, that's what bothered me. That's what the thing I got. Like women just have no agency and cannot control themselves. And this is written by a woman, by the way, and I'm not saying it's necessarily her. She's just reporting and she wrote it, I mean, it's well written,

but the ideas behind it seem to be like, oh my God, these women have no control over themselves and it's the fault of the network for them, for making them want to be famous or for dangling fame. And they just can't take it. They're just these weak, wild people who can't fucking help themselves, and that really bugged me. And you know, this is the problem I had with Leah on her season.

And it's mostly, this whole thing is very Leah too, this whole article. The whole first section is Leah, and it's how Leah has no agency in anything. Everything was done to her. She's a huge victim of Bravo. She was sober before she came on Bravo and then being on Bravo pressured her to be and to go fall back into alcoholism and then they gilted her the next season when she came off on sober and it was so hard but she had to do it for the fame and the money. But then they offered her girls trip and hinted

that she might be offered a new season of real housewives or no legacy, because at that point it was already legacy. So they kind of dangled that and said, well, Andy said, we'll go see how you do on girls trip. So then girls trip, she had a meltdown, she had a panic attack, she had to go to the hospital.

She was, now listen, I'm not racking on anybody for mental health stuff. Okay, I'm someone who suffers. And Bravo is shady. Bravo is shady. Reality TV is shady and toxic for sure. But she's literally blaming them for everything. So then she finds out, she's going to the hospital.

She's threatening Bravo with all of this stuff. So then they don't bring her back on legacy. They don't cast her for legacy. Well, you've obviously got issues that are hindering your ability to film, basically. Right. So she, they didn't say that necessarily. They just didn't hire her. So then she turns around and sues Bravo for the American, over the American disability, Americans with disabilities act, saying that she has a disability, Sue's Bravo for the American Disabilities Act, saying that she has a disability, in mental health as a disability, and they are firing her for it.

I mean, you're also blaming them. You're also blaming them. Well, there was forecausing a lot of this. So how are you gonna blame this for causing it? But then also sue them for not allowing you to continue it. It's like you have no agency. And there I'm like getting fired up. There was also a part where she talks about her grandma.

Like that was a very sad, you know thing, like her grandma was dying. And she's set and like they're like, the article it says, they offer to get me a car, but I can tell that they didn't want me to. I was like, well, you can't base this all off of a vibe that you could tell or whatever. It just, I could tell.

They wrote her emails. They wrote her texts and said, whatever you need to do, you don't have to come. Whenever you need to go, we have a car waiting for you. They sent her all the, there's written proof of all this stuff and she goes, yeah, they did, but I felt like, and I don't like it because it's using insinuation. It's using ins sinewesh. It's using sinewesh in a sense. And a lot of stuff that we've, there's been in the public,

we've been talking about this stuff for the past few years as a society. And to be using issues of consent and dragging them into the bravo workplace environment when you were choosing to not go to your grandma's bedside to shoot these scenes and then you're using consent language is just icky icky icky, it's disgusting, dude.

I don't, I don't like it at all. And we had the right call on that one. And I think what I really didn't like about this article, and I could have an incorrect read on this, that's fine. But what I didn't like about this article and I could have an incorrect read on this, that's fine. But what I didn't like about this article is that it read very much, like someone who does not watch these shows, who got a press release from Bethany

and was like, oh, there could be a story here, decides to dip into this world, sees this and was like, oh my God, I can't believe it would do this to people and is shocked. And all of a sudden is writing this, this panicked piece about people drinking and it's like, it's like, lady, you just got here. Now, the other thing is, I think as an article, it's extremely sloppy because who are the primary

sources? It's Leah, it's Ebony, and it's Jill Zaron and Bethany. I'm not saying that it's bad to use those, but it's such a one-dimensional way to approach an expose about the real housewives. You're talking about people who are only on one show, and yes, I do believe, I feel believe Bravo Shady, but you're gonna say this is rocking the real housewives when there are actually multiple shows,

just as a journalist, why are you not reaching out to people from other shows? Like, it's just was sloppy. It just felt so one-dimensional. And that's why it really felt like, oh, this is just Bethany, this is Bethany. Like, this is, this is Bethany's frame of reference, is Roni, you know, when she had Rick Hell on,

she's like, I don't watch your show. I don't watch your show, okay? And I started watching because I knew you were coming on and I watched and I was like, oh my God. And Bethany had the same tomer. She was like outraged about something that she knew nothing about. So it just bothers me that an article like this

comes out as clickbait and is kind of trying to take down a show like shows that we all love. Do I, it's not saying I am like down with what Ramona did or how she acted. It's not to say I'm like down with exploiting people. Well, you have to separate. You have to separate. You feel like clickbaits.

We have to, we have to separate the Ramona stuff from everything else because the Ramona stuff is fucking disgusting. She should have been fired before they even shot the season. She's a disaster. I definitely agree with the article that it's ridiculous that Ramona is back again. She's back for legacy. She was on girls trips.

She's doing another something or other for them. She's on watch what happens live sitting on Andy's lap. All this, no, ma'am, no, no. I know that people are like, oh my God, it's so funny. She's just a crazy Ramona. No, no. There comes a point where that's just not okay. I think that Ramona... Are they shall be done after this? I think where that's just not okay. I think that

Romantic will be done after this. I think the moment should be fucking gone. I think it's discussing that she's still on now that said the other stuff I'm like Listen to drinking they also have a point when they say that this show does Profit off of people's misery. Well, duh, welcome to reality TV, but I'm not gonna disagree with that. They do, they do let people like, they mention Sonia a lot. This is not your new deal. They mention Sonia a lot.

How Sonia constantly has alcohol and drug problems on the show and that the producers are writing back like, so how do we film it? Or how are we gonna address it when she finally hits rock bottom? Stuff like that. And you know, that is dark. But at the same time, what are they supposed to do?

You can't just commit somebody anymore. That's not how it works. You know? Yeah. This article also just feels so late. Like, admittedly, they fired the cast, they fired all of Roni. You know, they're done. Like, even though there is legacy, yes, they still have a platform.

Legacy is not the same. Yeah, there is a point because Ramona was just on Watch Happens Live. She will Ramona legacy. It's Ramona. But I guess I'm going to say right now, I think this is going to be the end of Ramona. I think that this is too much egg onvo's face. That will be it. But like this article is acting like, what do we do with these, like, can you believe this? This toxic environment? I'm like, yeah, they fired them all. Like, there are all the repercussions happened for one of the most interesting things to me is that

the most of it besides the Ramona staff, the rest of it basically focused on alcoholism and it focused pretty much, it basically was saying that everything is getting these people to drink, right? And that was the main allegation I felt. But the kind of overarching, or, is it, or arching or arcing, overarching, I guess, I guess the one of the main points it kept coming up over and over, the, the, Ann Appeal, I believe is her name, her wrote this. I like that she kept asking them, but then why do you go back?

Like the main question is, if this happened to you, Leah, then why do you keep going back? And Leah, as well as everyone in here that I read, said, it's so addictive. It's like, is the worst thing to ever happen to you because there's so much negativity and so many people coming against you and calling you names and the misogyny and the this and the alcohol and the producers fucking with you and all this, but at the same time, you're famous and you're like, I need this. And they all talk about how addictive or addicted they are to it. And I thought it was interesting why you're accusing this show of fostering addictions

that you really are because they're all addicted to being on it and they would all go back in a second. I mean, Ebony said, I think it was on Carlos King when he was interviewing her and he was saying, I didn't like that you kept bringing social justice into every conversation. She said, well, you know, that was because it was my season one, and I felt a responsibility to do that, but you bring me back for season two, and I won't do that.

I'll bring the fighting and the drama, whatever else you want. And so I thought that was interesting because I'm like, okay, so you're saying bring you back for season two, but you're, everyone's fighting against it, but also they would, Lee would do another season. She sued them to do another season. So it's interesting.

It's like your watch enemy, but you also just need it. You know? Yeah, I just didn't like this article because it didn't feel thorough to me. And I don't feel thorough to me. And I don't feel like the takeaway is where we're like revolutionary. The takeaway is Bravo.

Bravo is shady, Bravo. Oh, Ramona's terrible, but Bravo keeps bringing her back. It's like, yeah, we have eyeballs, we see this. We've seen this. Not saying we approve of it, but Bravo keeps bringing her back. It's like, yeah, we have eyeballs. We see this. We've seen this. Not saying we approve of it, but we see clearly, like Bravo's gonna follow, like who it's like money makers are or who's like has created like a story or a fascination with them, probably not anymore of Ramona,

but I just felt like this felt like a hit piece on Bravo. And, well, this is, the Bethany quotes are really the best. You know, at one point, she says something,, I just, the Bethany quotes are really the best. You know, at one point she says something like she was reading the contract and there's a part in the contract, which is basically saying, we have the right to embarrass you, make you look like an idiot, take everything you say out of context, use it against you. I mean, you know, they really spell it out. And Bethany says something along the lines of like, and I thought, I can handle this.

I really am a different breed, which is so Beth need to say. So then she says later, you can't be the leader of the universe, and then act like you don't know what's going on in it. Frankl says of Andy Cohen. I was part of it. Frankl says, I wanted to be Andy's favorite. I loved that I was Andy's favorite. I loved that I was able to make good television and produce it at the same time. I loved it. The producers knew I was the best. I was in the machine. I was the machine. I created the machine. Are you fucking kidding?

Sit down, Bethany. Okay. Go back to your fucking makeup reviews on TikTok and giving away like makeup to people. You consider two-ported at the TJ Maxx. Shut the hell up, you created it. I cannot with her. Yeah, but that being said,

I think Ebony had like my favorite, favorite quote of the article. This is the best part of it. So there's, it's just a little parenthetical and the article it says, presented with the idea that she might participate in Frankl's organizing Williams, Ebony K. Williams said, fuck Bethany Frankl. You think I'm gonna with the idea that she might participate in Frankl's organizing Williams, Ebony K. Williams said,

fuck Bethany Frankl, you think I'm gonna let some white girl speak for me with my experience, with a multi-billion dollar corporation. Thank you, Ebony, that was the funniest, that was the best thing you ever said. That was great, exactly. Yeah, I just thought it was a sloppy article and it's a thing that gets people who don't watch these shows into a tizzy

And it's the sort of thing that gets people writing letters is the sort of thing that could like get some Person who's totally disconnected from it on like the FCC to crack down on something. It's just I don't I think it's irresponsible Listen if the bachelor is still around. I don't think that bravo's in trouble I think bravo is actually shockingly doing better than ever in a lot of ways. And I think that just like the reality reckoning Bethany's saying, I think she's got some points there. I think that people are used in the wrong way. The points we made earlier.

It just comes in such a serious place from Bethany. Yes, so exactly. It comes from Leah who would do it again in a heartbeat and even admits that she's completely addicted. And then it comes from Leah who would do it again in a heartbeat and even admits that she's completely addicted and then you know It comes from yeah, I personally like We on Joe Zaryn saying you know, oh, they they tricked me into this Bobby's funeral thing I had no idea they were gonna film and bravo's like we she asked us She had her publics is asking us if we was filmed they were even trying to do Zaryn wanted to do a

was asking us if we was filmed. They were even trying to do, Zaryn wanted to do a Shiva. She wanted to shoot a Shiva with a crew member from there. Sitting Shiva. Can you imagine? I mean, come on. And then she says where it really felt blindsided was that yes, she wanted that,

but she only wanted it if it was gonna be a tribute to Bobby on television because he would have loved that. But she would have demanded that she be paid, you know, a hundred grand or a hundred grand. I don't even remember, but a hundred grand to Bobby's charity or something. If she knew that they were going to use it as this click baity like Bethany and Jill finally talk again. Like, Jill, you can't listen. You know, you can't be thirsty and then complain when somebody brings you to lemonade.

You know what I mean? And that reminds me, don't be rude to your waiters, everybody. Listen, Bethany is the one who said you can't be stupid and smart at the same time or whatever the version of that quote was. And Bethany says, I'm smart, I'm smart, I'm smart. She has her own reality show. She like tortures people who want to like be her VP

of something or another. She's on Shark Tank. She has her own spin off. She's been around the block and she's a very smart and shrewd person. And she is, I think she is taking something that is true, that there is toxicity in the world of reality TV. And she is exploding it to try to make herself the leader of a movement. And she has pitched this article and she found a sucker in this writer, unfortunately. You can tell that that's what this is all about because there's not even an effort to interview anyone else on a different franchise, really.

Like a little bit. Well, there's no fury like a skinny girl scorned. I just think you know, I don't like... That's why I don't like with skinny girls. I don't, I don't ever scorned. Okay. Yeah, I don't know. I think like how about we talk about the toxic abuses that happen in scripted television

or on other TV shows too? I mean, not to... Well, they do. What about you? They do in this article. She does go into that at the end of the article. She's like, this is what happened on other shows, like the bachelor and the real world and stuff like that.

But of course, you know, look, this one, I'm all for exposing the wrongs of whatever is happening, but expose some wrongs. This one we've been waiting for, it was reported that it was a deeply reported article. It's the same shit we've heard a zillion times. I heard a couple of new details from Ebony, but otherwise it's stuff we've already heard. And this quote was cracking me up because it's so clear who this is. Have I been put through the ringer? clear who this is. Have I been put through the ringer? This is someone anonymous. Have I been put through the ringer?

100%. Still better than my worst day with ring away at a life of quiet desperation. Bravo Con, when she went to last year's Bravo Con, a three day convention attended by 30,000 or so fans, she turned to two former fellow Bravo celebrities and said, how do I ever be happy after this? Who do you think said it? attended by 30,000 or so fans, she turned to two former fellow bravo liberties and said, how do I ever be happy after this?

Who do you think said it? Who do you think said that? So lying in quiet desperation, well the way you said it, it sounds sort of like Heather Gaye, but I don't think- I think it's Heather Gaye. I was not trying to do Heather Gaye,

but it sounds to me exactly like Heather Gaye. Because she is the sort of person who would say that, but also Heather Gaye is a chameleon. When people ask questions, like if someone said, aren't you miserable, I'm so miserable and someone says, aren't you so happy? I'm so happy that I'm here.

So, I do. She's also a tell-all writer. Like I'm listening to her book right now, Heather Gay's book, but it's actually good. I shouldn't say that shock, that sounds rude, but it's actually enjoyable. And I'm listening to it on Audible so I can hear her doing it.

It's really good. But anyway, I think maybe it's because I'm listening to that, but I was like, this is totally Heather. I mean, it's totally how she sounds in that book. And also, she wrote that tell all about the Mormon church. I think maybe she was just not going on the record for this one because she's got her own damn tell all. And I'm surprised it's taken everybody so long

to get on the tell all bandwagon for Bravo. Yeah, but I don't read that. So that being said, I will say, I think this is a bad article, but I mean, and I'm also disappointed because the writer and a peel had a great article about love Island sort of a similar thing about like mental health issues on love Island, but on that one she went and she really, you know, she Like discussed various different seasons, different cast members, and just felt comprehensive and this one Like I don't know. I feel like she dropped the ball on this one, and it's very disappointed.

I don't like when people come from my entertainment and don't provide me something new. Like all they do is whip up frenzy, but that's it. I don't appreciate that. The Ramona stuff is disturbing and terrible. Someone here said, really, they should just focus on, she should just focus on Ramona and Ebony in that situation.

It would have been a much stronger article, but I think this tried to be much bigger and broader than it was. And you know what, I say better luck next time. I don't know I'm doing it in Ramona voice. But well, you know what, let's wrap this up on the YouTube Live and then just keep this going on Instagram to take some Instagram Live.

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