Watch What Crappens - #2238 RHOSLC Part 1: The Mourning After

Episode Date: November 29, 2023

After Whitney experiences a devastating loss, she winds up in a fight with Lisa at Meredith’s jewelry event on Real Housewives of Salt Lake City (S04E12).  Plus, we catch up on the latest Below Deck Med.  This is a two part recap.  Keep an eye out for part 2 coming shortly in your feed.The RHOSLC recap starts at around 32:00.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I can't just watch. I can't spend so much time with my bands. Hello and welcome to Watch For Crappens. A podcast about all that crap we just love to talk about here on Bravo. I'm Ben Mandelker. Joining me today is the one and only Ronnie Caram. Hi Ronnie, how's it going today?

Oh, hello. Hello. Good, how are you? Oh my god, I'm so excited. You know why? Why? Because as our little musical jingle was playing, I realized that today is the day when all my cyber Monday stuff is going to start rolling in because we did a bonus episode, which again I have to mention because I feel very guilty about this. It was supposed to be video. I forgot to record on the camera where we were shopping, uh, Cyber Monday deals. And uh, the whole bonus episode is up there on Patreon Patreon.com slash watch or crap

ends. And um, Ron and I bought all sorts of random bits and I actually know, let me speak for myself. I bought a lot of bits and bobs. Like sewing machine needles and bobbins, but also pens and like random, just random ass things. It's like I went to Staples or something, but today is the day they all start to come in

and I'm really excited, Ronnie. It's your second meeting today. No, it's not coming in until like December 4th or 6th. Both of them went with my roommates. I know, because everybody has to go on Cyber Monday. Sit. You know what? Every bit, I'm glad that you're all in line ahead of me.

I have to wait for my blood pressure candy, and I also have to wait for my new jogging pants. Well, luckily the Bob and Lobby is very strong and they have pushed for fast delivery on the Bob and so my Bob and cases are having today I believe. Bob and Lobby. I know Bob and Lobby. So we're really excited. Oh, actually, I continued to make purchases after Cyber Monday.

This is shocking, but I went to Target and I bought a new friend, Ronnie. I bought a new friend who'll be joining us here on the podcast because this is where I'm at in my life. I haven't named my friend. I think I'm gonna name my friend Allison because like just the way Allison do walk and help people see the future. My friend Allison's just gonna help me see the future. My friend, Allison's just gonna help me see the words on my screen. I have readers. Oh no, you got readers. Oh my gosh.

You look very handsome in them. Thank you. Allison is here to help me. Oh my gosh. You make sense in glasses. I think they should always have been there. and they're a good style for you too. They're not just old man raiders. You know those are very fashionable.

You need to be careful what's on your screen though because I know don't look at it. Don't look at any porn while we're doing this because it'll just show up in the reflection of my readers. Or I can tell if you're texting. I mean, I'm gonna know. Wait, can you? Let's see. I can't. Now we can see. We can sort of see, yeah. Sort of. Hold on, I'm gonna...

No, I'm not. Why am I telling you? I could totally be spying on your computer. No, it's great that the reflection means that you can't really see where my eyeballs are looking. So I could be looking to the left and you're thinking I'm looking to the right. I'm not sure that I'm gonna use... I don't know if I actually necessarily need the readers for the screen, but I have to say, gosh, this looks, I feel like I'm in a spaceship now. Everything just feels bigger and beautiful. It's wonderful. Well, you look very handsome in your readers.

Thank you. I spent $19.99 on them. To have a nice, actually, you know what's great, but actually a very nice reader that you got. It's very fancy. Much greater. Well, their traders are like $2. Well, I was hoping it would be $2, but Tarja only sells them for $20 apparently. But actually, there crap is blue on the inside. I don't know if you can see. Oh my gosh.

It's not really real. I can see the magnification on those. It's a 1.25, and I had to say one thing that's really hard is when you take them off, there is like a two-second adjustment, and that is weird to me. And so anyway, back on, I don't know if I wanna call it, I'm not gonna call them Allison.

I think Allison's not a, that's not a bend name to name things. I feel like Timor of a Dana. I feel like I become a Dana when I wear them. Am I a Dana? Maybe I'm like a, I think something more manly. I think you're gendering your glasses, and I feel like you're more like a business man.

Clint. Clint. Yeah, I like, you're more like business man. Clint. Clint. Yeah. I like, well, Clint, we're gonna have to come out. So we're gonna have to come out and become, okay. So let's say, so are we naming the glasses or my persona? Well, I don't know, is it like a wig? I think the wig, you name the wig, right?

Not the persona. Yeah, I'm naming the wig. Okay, so this is David David Give it on okay, let's keep David we'll figure it out All right, well and the rest of the show We needed readers cuz it was a super size day for us not because the episode was super sized sure wasn't This is real housewives assault like city today, by the way, I don't know if we mentioned

that. But also, we did not do below deck med this weekend because we've just got too many things on the schedule and we're about to enter Christmas holiday hell with recapping, doing guest things and getting prepared for that week. So we didn't do it. But we are going to talk about it today. So when below deck last, if you don't wanna listen to this, don't, I mean, I don't care.

I'm not gonna try and force it. Yeah, fast forward just fast forward a little bit. Yeah, fast forward, you know how to use the controls. You're at listen, you're at an adult. You live in 2023, you know how to press fast forward. If you know how to play with a podcast, you know how to press fast forward. But yeah, below deck, we were really excited for below deck, because we're like, yes, we're going to see Kyle's face

when he gets fired by Captain Sandy. But we kind of sense that he was not going to get fired because we've seen what happens on the show. When you just fire the dramatic people, nothing, nothing. Yeah, and that's what, you know, you just watch people clean for the rest of the time. You know, as evil and horrible as Kyle is, I guess he's necessary. He's a necessary evil.

Yeah. I would, yeah, he's maybe for like TV, he's a necessary evil. He's probably an unnecessary evil for many people's lives. And I watched there was a video from BravoCon that was actually going around where someone from I think TV line was interviewing cast members and Natalia is still not friends with Kyle She's like absolutely not like she's not a friend. He is definitely not a friend and then to me is like who's Kyle So to me is obviously not a fan of Kyle and then Kyle is wearing he's got like this big look for Bravo Con He's got like oversized epilets and this sort of ballerro jacket thing and like a little bit of like a perillian

Let's I mean not as deep that's putting it too small. He's got these, he's got like some light-denimals thing. Was it pretty solid over it? And then he's the epilets, I guess that's what they were. I didn't really realize that was an homage to epilets. But they're like huge circles that like flare out. He looks like a harness. Like a harness.

If Taylor Swift was gonna do a throwback album to commemorate an anniversary of that musical about trains, what was Starlight Express? He looked like a Starlight Express train from the beginning. Starlight Depress. That's what it is. I hate to even use the word star when it comes to Kyle because it just feels unfair. Starlight works, right? It's like diet star-frying now.

Star-frying to press. Yeah, so yeah. He's a ridiculous human. So yeah, I saw that interview and they're like, so Kyle, the interview was like, Kyle, oh, come on now. Do you think you made a little drama this season? It's like, wait, let me tell you something. Or I, that drama of the people try to come to me,

because we're all not, with the other people coming to. Okay. And it's, oh, I'm not gonna ask, oh my God, how does this guy get the feedback he gets for this show and just turn it up? I mean, the guy just comes back even more obnoxious. It's like, wow, this onion is too pungent.

Really, grow it with even more pungent onions. Make it the stinkiest onion we could. Why am I thinking of making farming onions? I don't know. That's what Kyle's doing to me. Yeah, and then of course he pulls this thing, which is like, you know, when I shared that text message, I was just trying to be helpful.

And you know, I've learned from going through it, I'm just not going to ever share things. I'll just have to keep it to myself. Like he does the whole thing, like, well, I was trying to help. And of course, he gets turned against me and that, you know, blame the messenger. And I'll just stay out of it.

You were not trying to help. You were trying to actively pick people against each other. You poisoned the well to me in Italia. I believe we both firmly believe that before to me got on the boat. Cop talked so much about Natalia. You know that he talked shit about Natalia because we saw him talk shit about Natalia while they were on the boat when they were still essentially friends. He poisoned, he poisoned to me.

So to me comes in like, okay, I've got to be like really hard in Natalia because otherwise she's going to get out of control. And then that sends Natalia off. And then he just keeps on giving each one of them information that agitates each other, both of them against each other. So, he's just such a piece of shit. That's what I'm trying to say. So now, one thing that Kyle has always done is he just, he's not one of those people who can just be on reality TV and be like, let the peasants talk.

You know what I mean? A lot of the housewives and stuff we've met over the years, like, oh my God, everyone hates you. How do you handle this? These are backstage conversations with pretty much everybody because you know anybody that we'd be friends in real life ends up getting canceled. So we've had this conversation with so many Bravo people,

like, oh my God, the world hates you. How are you dealing with that? And they're like, I don't read that shit. You know, they're like, if you read it at first and then you just have, you let the peasants do their thing. They're allowed to talk about me. If I started changing it, what would they talk about? You know, they have this like, not do I believe it? No, not really. I think that they all sit there all night freaking crying and like telling your husband to

call the manager like my mom, you know, like, you better do something about this. Or like Vicki Gumbelsen, you better call the internet, Andy Cohen, you better tell the internet to stop it. So I don't believe it, but that's what they say. Kyle cannot do that is my point. I needed 10 minutes to say that sentence, but Kyle cannot do that. There was a post with the below deck med midseason trailer and Kyle just has to comment. He has to like go start arguing with everybody

who doesn't like him, which is everybody. Pretty much the one. So first, Chef Jack comments. Apparently I'm not on the second half of the season. Six years I am and then Kyle the bold yeah I care to Kyle the bold Kyle the bold says it's a shift Jack Lou be wanna try places cuz all you see is me crawling a big angry or roll well that's because that's all you ever do. And now, I want to get really liked about this episode

is that Jack is mad at Kyle. And he's just like, I'm just not gonna talk to this person. And that's the best thing that you can do for Kyle. It's just you just don't give him anything. And it's gonna make Kyle go crazy. Because Jack's just ignoring him. And Kyle doesn't know what to do with it. And I love the way Jack handles Kyle.

Well, I have more comments to read. I'm so sorry, but oh, I'm so sorry. Someone says, I guess Kyle didn't get fired. So he'll continue to bully people and get away with it. And he says, he's up. And then someone says, how narcissistic of you. Hope you get the help you obviously need. And he goes, thank you for your deflection.

Kissing thighs. of you. Hope you get to help you obviously need and he goes, thank you for your deflection. Kissy Fies! I mean, he after I've got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven pages of Kyle just let it go, dude. Okay. Also that shit. Just stop reading about it and be glad that people are giving you this much attention because you so obviously need it. Okay, now onto that. That's for it for it. No, he lives for it. And it's interesting because last season, he kind of like rode that line between being like, is he a villain or is he actually great? And like, you can't tell because you would go up and down.

But this season's like, no, you are actually a monster or instincts were correct, you are terrible. So yeah, so Sandy does the Fraser thing, which is something that we did predict might happen, which is she says, right now, I don't want you on this boat. You're one of the worst people I've ever seen. You're like a human anchor, and I'm surprised you're not at the, and Davey Jones locker right now,

sunken by you. You're a pox on humanity and shouldn't be on this boat. So what I'm trying to say is, you want more chance? Yeah, you know what you need? You know what you need? Some help. And you know who's know what you need? Some help. And you know who's a helper?

Me. Captain Sandy. Let me prescribe something for you as your doctor. Okay, your captain doctor. Hugs and apps. Okay, let's start with your first prescription. Get over here. So are you worse than all the pirates that I had to be on that cruise ship in Somalia

when I was working for Saddam? Sure. What did they need? Hugs. Guess what they didn't get. Hugs. Mostly because I was just trying to protect the gold that was on the ship. Just too busy to hug because my arms were doing this over the treasure chests.

But guess what? No treasure chests here. Get over here and give me a hug. You little rat bastard. Not only am I the captain now, I'm also the hugger. So get over here So then Kyle of course then goes downstairs like I'm going to resign. I'm going to resign Do you know it's all right? I don't even want to be here anymore. It's just it's just here But I can't be here like this so of course he starts to pack up stuff of course the second the second he gets any pushback

So to me, it's like, come on, please stay. To me, it's like, I'm not gonna do this with two people. Right. She's like, I don't care if it's Kyle, like, like, please stay. Which is, I think, probably has just quit. Did we even mention that? I mean, that happened last week, but for anybody new to this. Natalia quit because he was so bad. And by the way, Natalia is an emotional terrorist herself.

That girl's not easy either. I mean, she's awful as well. It's not like she is so innocent, but I mean, she couldn't even take it. And she's the worst. I mean, usually just by her history on this show, she will go on that date on Valentine's Day and wait for to order dessert,

and then the guy gets up and leans her. That's her history. So for her to change the pattern to this degree where she's like, oh man, oh man early, that's saying a lot. That's how bad he is. Yeah. And the thing is this, given that they're both toxic people, at least in Tali, it has

a work ethic. So it would have been better for Kyle to be the one to leave the boat and tell you to stay because I do actually think Natalia and Tumi would have gotten along without Kyle there. But Kyle just makes everything just so poisonous. No! But of course I think the bits are just... They can visit and just stay. I'm just taking on so much of so many other people's problems like

it's all yeah it's like I take on so much cuz I'm like a sponge and like I just can't do it anymore. I'm certain impete so then meanwhile we have Max so Max Max wants to quit the boat because he's not getting boners. That's literally what his storyline is. He's like, I'm not getting elections. I have no idea how they're going to lead the boat. And he's captain Sandy. He's like, you know who I like? You, Max, that's who, you know why?

You're funny. I like funny people. Laughing is like hugging with vocal waves sound waves like that you can do that I feel very hugged by you and he's like I'm leaving I get no bonner she's like what you can't leave hold on I'll do the helicopter just tell me whatever I need to do hey Jack you have any linguine I can spin around so I'll start seeing french fries again. Okay, now listen. Ever since France was being a little stinty with their help after 9-11, you know America's

call them freedom fries. And I haven't really changed that, but now I'm making the stance against it. I'll call them French fries again. Whoa, I just got a stiff one. French fries. Max got a double French fries. Oh, this one was double fried. Nice.

Max, you know what? For you, I'm going to get out my old candlestick costume and you can sing Bm up BR guests. Would you, but that make you happy? No. He's like, I cannot get the bone there. I'm out. So, Kyle has a couple of funny sayings in this too,

Kyle's. I don't think we've ever picked on Kyle's butchering turn of phrases, but he has some do'sies today. He's a great one that was, well, guess what? You've just opened a book of worms. A book of worms. That was my favorite. He said, book of worms. You better watch out.

You thought it was just a book of pages, but guess what, you're opening up its wins. So as you said, people are now onto Kyle. Like, they've been kind of onto him, but they've been nice to him anyway, because I don't know, just because. But Jack has put up with his shit. Jack has now officially sick of him,

because he's the only one who seems to care that tall you left. No one else really cares. Slash noticed. Yeah. Yeah. because he's the only one who seems to care that tall, tall you left. No one else really cares. No one else really cares. Yeah. Yeah. So he cares and Tumi is finally get is on DeKyle. She's like, okay, this guy's obviously a piece of shit.

So I need to stop standing up for this guy cause. So everybody's kind of on DeKyle and it is making him insane. So like you said, Jack is not telling him off or doing anything like that, but he did disagree with Kyle openly. And so now Kyle has a thing against him. So now Jack is just being quiet with him. And Kyle's like, oh really, you want to be quiet with me? Will they say silence is diffening? Will this silence speaks volumes? Yeah, that's the point. That's what it means. It doesn't mean silence is deaf. And even if it did, that would just mean

silence can't hear. It doesn't mean that it can't be. That means silence is silence. This is the point that silence is so loud. It's like a stain. So many words. You can't really even butcher the butchered version of the butchered phrase.

I'm so glad you pointed out both those things because I did pause about those moments and say exactly what you said to Dom. I was like, you know, he doesn't even realize that expression when I said, he was just a lot of... But Kyle, of course, he is very insecure and when he doesn't get the, Kyle needs to be a star and hilarious and charming.

And he needs people to be laughing and sort of like, like Kyle, you're hilarious. And when he doesn't get that, he really spirals, which is why he didn't want to do that all women's charter because he knows, he could tell his humor was not gonna land the same way as it would with different groups. And so he is very insecure in those situations.

And so now when Jack isn't giving him anything, when he's sitting there in the kitchen and Jack is ignoring him, that makes Kyle feel certain sort of ways. You also know that it's only gonna be a matter of time before Kyle starts lashing out at Jack to make like Jack the bad guy for not like being entertained by Kyle. Well, he's also unable to function

without something to hate. Now listen, I get this. I kind of have this. As well. Now I know it's a problem. I work on it kind of. By work on it, I mean admit it, but then just keep going on doing the same shit that I always do. Yeah. That's how I call growth. That's what I call growth. But I do kind of have that problem. But Kyle has to have some kind of adversary. Mine, I choose them to be on TV. So that's kind of how

I deal with it. I don't have adversaries in real life. If anyone is on TV, I just don't speak to them ever again. That's not a deal with that. But I still have the emotion in me, so I pick someone on TV. This case, it's Kyle. Like he's never gonna do anything that's not gonna make me crazy.

Can you answer our challenge for you? Kyle, Kyle, and Katie, it's a hard. That's true. Actually, they're probably all the most similar to my actual personality in different ways, which is also, you know, a typical worms. Don't think anybody needs to open up that book. At least in you don't want to read those worms. But you like Kate Chastain, she's a K that you can get behind.

And I like her too. So she's the part of my better personality than I like, you know? Okay, so anyway, not about me, but it is always. And that's another thing I need to work on. Okay. It's time for commercial. It's time for a crapence commercial. Today, hip-hop dominates pop culture, but it wasn't always like that. And to tell the story of how that changed, I want to take you back to a very special year in rap.

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And here we go. Jack stuck up for what's her bones, Natalia. And so he's immediately after Jack. And that's just it. And guess what? The new person comes in. She's a ding dong. A hilarious ding dong, by the way. And he's automatically against her.

Yeah. Lily is like if you took Naomi from Southern Charm and like pressed her up against glass, you know? And she comes in and she's like, she's acting like she is like a whizz at hospitality. Be... She's... She's... It took me a minute to get the visual completed in my head.

I'm a very slow vision person. Naomi from Southern Charm with her face pressed up against the glass. Wow. So, the point is that she's acting like she's like a wisdom hospitality. She's like, I've done a lot of hospitality. Yeah, I've been a manager at Wimlton, yeah. And you don't worry about me, I've worked at Wimlton. And we see she's like someone like,

she's like bringing sodas to people's chairs at Wimlton. She's acting as if she was like in charge of Roger Federer's locker room. And she was like bringing, you know, like mushy peas to the third row. I know, they're like, Lily, would you do some ironing? And she's like, yeah, pain ads, popcorn, chat, please. I worked for the queen, actually, I was a royal consul, and you find out she's just like

working at like a donut shop called Queen's Donuts or something. Yeah, I should like, I'll go out and go into castle, so. Geno service. It doesn't work like that I'll go out and I'll win the castle. So, I'm a service. It doesn't work like that. It's not through osmosis. It's okay. The butlers up in the castle, like just because you're near them, their service skills don't go through the gates. But, she's, I mean, she's fine. Yarding is having the same problem that cost plus world market by my house is having. They just can't find young people to work. No one will do it.

I'm like, Cosplus, how are you still hiring? I mean, they're putting out trades of cookies at this point. They're like, anybody want a job? Like you walk into the store, they're like, it's a job fair. It's not a job fair. It's a table with some cookies on it at the Cosplus for six months in a row.

Maybe you should pay people more Cosplus world market. I don't know what's happening, but that's the same in Yodding. They can't keep anywhere. They're basically like, this is it. Natalia's gone. So we just took a girl throwing pees at people's head on the dock. So she comes on. She's very British. And I fall for it because I'm like she's British So the accent already makes her seem austere to me and then she said she worked at Wimbledon So I'm like oh she knows everything there is to know about yawning and so she's on board and then we have our charter guests

It's a bunch of ladies the main lady her whole thing is that she doesn't eat eggs outside She refuses to have eggs outdoors. And Jack is like, yeah. He's like, what happened to, how'd you find out that you don't like eggs outdoors? Like, what did you do? How'd you find out? How'd that happen?

I don't know the thought of that happened. The guess I was glad we didn't cover the episode. Hate the guess. I hate them. They're just so typical. I think they've watched a lot of below deck And they're like, where it can be like below deck people. I don't like my eggs outside And you know what we should do we should get the guys to strip because we're cool girls. Oh right You know what we're gonna. I mean we're gonna need the guys to strip. I'm like oh god. Just very bad

I'm these ladies. Yeah, they, yeah, and we do, we do secure eating the eggs and she goes, she says she can't eat them outside because the flavors from the outdoors air just create a very bad taste in her mouth with the eggs. So she goes, I've got to take my eggs indoors. So she goes into the bar area, which is like three feet from the outdoors.

It's the same, I guarantee the air that's in there is gonna have the same flavors as the air that was outdoors. I just, I'm just gonna go out on a limb and say that. But I was on their side about one thing, which is that when they come on, they are just like sitting and they're relaxing and they're in the sun and they're just like having a chill time on the, on the deck. And then everyone's like, Sandy's like particularly upset that they're not using the water toys. And everyone's like, I mean, you're basically on like a water,

like I think it's Laura's like, you're basically out of water taxi. Huh! And I'm like, to me, that sounds great. Like, I don't need a water toy. Put me someplace in the sun where you're bringing me food and drinks and I can like just like read something

or like be on my iPad. Like that is like the best for me. That's vacation. That's how I do it. I don't, I barely even leave the room. And they're like, why would you come on vacation without leaving the room? Because there's places, there's different places to order door-dash from. And when I open the window, there's something different outside.

That's literally it. Yeah. I don't care about anything else. So then Sandy comes out, she's like, come on guys, you gotta do the slide, you gotta do the, you gotta do the where toys, you gotta do this. If I were first of all, if I were a deque,

I'd be so mad at Sandy, cause she's basically like forcing them to do work that the guests don't wanna do. But then also if I was a guest, I'd be like, leave me alone. I'm an adult, I know what is at my disposal and I have decided to do this. This is all good. Don't worry about it.

Yeah, don't fix me. How about you go fucking drive the boat. Okay. Like I don't need you to fix me. Bring it through. Yeah, I agree. You paid a lot more attention to them than I did. They got on my nerves right away.

The whole thing. And then they were just blurs. They were basically, I would describe them as human face filters. They were just all crazy faced. They look like different Snapchat filters, each and every one of them look like a crazy, crazy damn face filter. And I did not care. Yeah. So they were very generic. But then I think the only big thing that I can remember happening left in the episode and there may be other things so correct me was at the end of the episode.

The charter was actually a quick charter. It was like, it was a one day charter. I don't even remember it. It was like, was there even a charter? It was so quick and so generic and so uninteresting. The only thing was that egg thing. They're there and then they're gone. And then the crew goes out to dinner

and Lily is sitting next to Jack and they're chatting and they're both British. So they're both making jokes about being British or whatever and banter. And what was Jack saying that? Like I think they were joking that they're banters the best. Was that what they're saying? Can you understand? She said I can do a lot of accents saying that cut like I think they were joking that their banter is the best was that what they say can you

Understand can you do she said I can do a lot of accents because she was doing in America and ballet girl Accent which she could do really well. She's really funny. She didn't go so impressed. Yeah, I like her a lot So she was doing that and then he's like can you do my accent then can you do that and she's like well Yeah, I'm gonna don't basically like us trying and he's like not higher than some I That's us and she said well I may she said something along the lines of like well I can't do your accent. I can't do that one But we do have a lot of common in common in that our banter is the best like where we're from our banter is the best like Starcastle right. It's like that British

I'll cross the table right there Right, and then Kyle's across the table and he hates Jack already right so he's waiting to come for Jack And by the way Jack already knows Jack has said before dinner like oh, I can tell Kyle's getting ready to come for me I can't wait to see what fucking Kyle does and sure enough, I was like oh really your The rest of us just have short band toes that what you're saying oh my god was that just have short banta is that what you're saying? Oh my god was that I'm sorry that that was trying to whisper because that silence was heard over here all right well trying to be death silence all right you think you're over there doing sign language silence but all I can hear it. So you really think your banta is better than us, which sounds like you really opened up a book of worms on that front with your allegedly good banter.

Wombokas. So he's getting attituded. This girl does not give a shit. I feel like that's very rare because Kyle squintes his eyes and he starts doing his finger wagging bullshit at her. And getting mean. And listen, as bitchy as I am on this show, if that happened to me in real life, I would immediately do whatever the other person wanted.

Like I'm a whimp. I'm like, no, you're a bander's the best. But I know. I'm like, no, no, we met beside you, Kperson. But no, she did not give a shit. She just laughed at him, like kind of in his face and gave him a look like, is this queen really going to come for me? And I thought it was great.

I was like, great casting. And he was also, by the way, condescending to her while on her first chart, or she doesn't know what she's doing, and he's like, she's, you know, she's trying, she's cleaning something, and then he's being like, no, no, what you have to do is, you have to put this and then put this in the star.

What I'm trying to say, then I'll take it all up together. Once, but he was like really, come like coming down on her without like really showing her any sort of like, um, grage for the fact that this is like the first time she's ever touched a washer machine basically. So, she doesn't know how to do anything. Like, I can see how that would be annoying, but he's doing that typical thing where it's like, okay, oh, I'm gonna show you, you don't know how to use Narn,

and my gold dispatched does not use my, I'm like, just be green. They're green. But then he's doing that thing where he's overly nice to our face so he can immediately the next episode be like, oh, it's so cool, dude. So, the point is, number 30 minutes in, talking about below deck. So it wasn't just 10 minutes, but there was stuff to talk about.

It was funny episode, Kyle did not get fired, really bummed about that. Midseason trailer dropped, although it's late season trailer, only six episodes left. Lots of messiness to come. So below deck med, doing the below deck med thing, and fun times. Now, what a beautiful, a beautiful, a beautiful moment in bed, in Moniznac, and things like that. Honestly, guys, you are my good little baby.

Look at that guy. Guys, honestly, like if you're not watching crap is on demand, like I don't want to be a used car salesman right now, but like you really are missing out on all this great, beautiful car. Oh my gosh, look at his, he's driving. Almost used car salesman right now, but like you really are missing out on all this great-pular car Oh my gosh look at it You can almost just scratches. Tommy right now. Oh

Right before they look at it. He got onto the sofa and he was pawing at the cushion It's like a really amazing It's funny, huh? He is so Scratchy his chest now and now more on his scratches. Oh right on the wrist Oh my god Okay, so this is my little break between the shows. Now let's get onto real housewives of Salt Lake City. Real housewives of Salt Lake City,

and it opens with Angie Kaye, folding a napkin. She's in her gleamingly white house, folding up napkin, and so. I'm Greek. Her house looks like a public bathroom. It looks like a hotel men's room. Her house looks like a spaceship that has landed and is looking for gas to leave the planet again.

It's just the marble walls. You know, just from my, like, are there a lot of handprint from dudes just laying up there and peeing? It's what I always imagine the rest, the lounge room looks like, or the employee lounge room looks like for like the Apple Store. I'm like, what does it look like back there? You know, like, it's this, just like gleaming white. It's shiny. I have a feeling the employee room at the Apple Store is just not even floor, it's just like grass and then flies everywhere on the people's faces. And I think it's, I think,

but the second they get back there, Apple doesn't give a fuck. No, they definitely don't. But yeah, and it definitely, Angie's house is definitely very restroom-forward. It has that airy sound, like a restroom and like a casino, like the belagio where you walk in and everything's still super marble in there and they're still

trying to impress you. And echoey, and you can sort of hear the sound of a dryer going every now and then. So Heather comes over and they're doing, oh my god, your half is up, pretty. Oh my god, you are so pretty, I'm Greek. And Andrew, Heather's like, what about that pioneer day, huh? I'm like, to pioneer day, what a fun event you made, Heather.

And she's like, well, yeah, we can sure you just drink after that. I mean, when did that even go left? When Lisa kicked Monica off for wagon? That was good. That was a good game. Take that Lisa Rina. Take that big dog.

Yeah, I think it went left when you asked an instigating question that you knew would cause a fight between the two of them. That's probably when it went left. That's like driving your car, making a left hand turn, saying, when did this go left? It's like literally when you made it went left. That's like driving your car, making a left hand turn and saying, when did this go left? It's like literally when you made it go left.

So I love a cookie monster housewife though. By that I mean, someone who just loves the mess that they're making. You know how a cookie monster just eats the cookie? And then the cookie just flies all over the room. It's kind of like Austin from Southern guess. But figuratively, I mean, I just love that. Yeah, so Angie's like, well, the minute

that we started the wagon game, I mean, I think it said her off. It was like, she came in hot, again, with the insults, plus when you mention wagons, it just reminds her about the car that she doesn't have. So, you know. Do not mention wagons. You know, the minute we started a wagon,

think Sean has requested that I not write him further. So we just got a bigger wagon. Our wagon now is the size of a city block now. I feel lonely in my wagon. What were we talking about, Opa, Angie's dad. Sad Opa, sad Opa. So there's like, you know, I think at like some moment she completely shut down.

It was weird. I don't understand why Heather is so shocked that someone would be very exasperated And then at like some moment, she completely shut down. It was weird. I don't understand why Heather is so shocked that someone would be very exasperated and then eventually just be like, fuck it. I'm not engaging with these people anymore. I'm just gonna get through this horrific lunch for me. Heather doesn't understand this

because later on in the episode, she went, Whitney is mourning Heather's like, just compartmentalize, it'll be fine. So like that's the way Heather gets through life. She just like, if she has a feeling of like sadness, she just sucks it away in cries late at night when the cameras are not there clearly. I call that maturity.

I mean, that's what I do. I'm gonna do, just lose my, you can't just go losing your shit. You can't just walk around telling everybody to fuck off. That's what your hand side voice is for. No, but I just love that Heather was so distraught by the fact that Monica became quiet. She seems more distraught that Monica became quiet and sad than that Monica was melting off.

She's happy with Monica melting off. Well, that's when you get, that's when you should get worried, right? When somebody starts melting off and they just get quiet, because you know they're done. Dun, dun, dun. So she's like, yeah, she was shut down and then Angie's like, yes, you know, she just got so she came in hot with the insults and then we see the clip of her being like, you are so nasty on the inside. You are so ugly. Yeah. Um, agree. But Angie, didn't you just call someone a trampling with eyes?

Like, two weeks ago. Yeah, let's not forget literally every scene with Angie. So Heather's like, I'm starting to realize you never know what you're going to get with Monica. She can be happy and charming and fun. And we see every, and she's, this is all highlighted with clips. And then, angry and vicious and mean and then just like Detached and vacant and as much as I don't want to do it. I'll do it kind of reminds me of

Jen so then we see a Jen Shaw montage that illustrates all these points which is funny because They're both using Jen against each other had they're saying that Monica reminds her of Jen and then Jen and Monica is saying that, Monica is saying that Jen always said, like, oh, be careful of Heather and Lisa. So, like, they're both going back to Jen to sort of like, shirt up their arguments for why they're going to have a fallout at some point. Right, they're all using Jen as a weapon. I agree that she is like Jen. She's a lot like Jen. She's a more palatable Jen.

She's like the chefs of this show went back and they're like, okay, listen, we don't want to do it that Jen, we have to though. But while we're doing it, let's improve it. Let's improve the recipe. Yeah. I think she's a much improved version of Jen, because Jen was really a tryhard. Like she, I mean, a lot of us a little try version of sent because Jen was really a try hard I'm like she would I mean a little try hardy, but I forgive some of the try hardiness because it's her first season

You know what I mean. It's like she's training wheels training wheels, but Jen was just really Unbearable to me. She's always made me crazy. So I you know overall. I think much improved. Jen really, like Jen wanted actually have the, the really engaging trauma of Monica. Cause you know with Monica, we see her with her mom. We see her back, we hear about her backstory, her various back stories. So like when she pops off and when she has mood swings, like I feel like we understand it.

Like we understand like, oh God, this woman has had a lot of damage in her life. And this is how it all comes out. So it makes sense. And it's not to say that Jen doesn't have that, but with Jen, we just call her at like level 10 at all times. And you're like, yeah, with Jen, you're like, she is caused a lot of damage. Like we see Monica with her mother and we're like, that's fucked up.

But we see Jen with her mother and we're like, oh, that's fucked up, but we see Jen with her mother and we're like, oh my god, Jen is literally using her mom's savings when she knows she's guilty. Like what the fuck? Like she's the wrecking ball, you know? Monica and her mom are both wrecking balls. They're like one of those big, one of those things that sit on desks where there's like balls swinging

in each other. Yeah, it's like the infinite movement and just something and other. Yeah. Yeah. One ball hits the other ball and they just keep doing that in a rhythm. And that's just how it is. And just you're like, how are they still just beating each other like that? But it's other builds. Okay. It's just how the balls are built. Yeah. It really is true. They're ball bearings. So basically, there's basically, I'm just drawn like a moth to a fling. Me and a Friday night.

Bowl bearing. I'm comparing bowl boys. Stupid, sorry. Wow. Like I was saying before, I was rudely interrupted with images of testicles arriving at my doorstep. I'm like a, I'm drawn like a mock to a flame

to these personality types and to these ball bearings. I've been burned and I wanna learn from my history and not make the same mistakes again. I can't believe I just spoke like that to someone with glasses. I know Ronnie, this isn't intellectual podcast now of your glasses on. You have to like really be less vulgar. Okay.

Okay. Terry Gross is going to be our guest host next week. Gross. Okay. So they are still talking about Monica. Right now. Okay, so they are still talking about Monica. So are we nine hours later? And how's your mind tour of Jen? And then we see clips of Jen, um, you know, one minute pouring alcohol all over

herself on the bike bus thing on a group trip. And then screaming, Fuck Mary Cosby walking off sobbing on a golf course, like, what about me here? What about me? I'm ha ha ha ha ha ha. You're about to go on your first international cast trip. You want this to be as iconic as possible. Okay, like this is when it happens on the international cast trips when all the mess happens.

This is your moment Heather, like you want Pioneer part two, part three, and part four all at the same dinner. Yeah, which of course she does want it, right? So Andrew's like, but she has a pattern. She comes in hot and then she apologizes. We should still go on the trip, but you should call her first

and let her call you ugly a few times to maybe get it out of her system. So there's like, well, I'm sure I'm gonna see her at Meredith's jewelry event. Oh, the one I am not invited to, the anti-Opa event, the one I've heard all about, everyone's invited except for me, which is fine. Let me know how it goes.

I'm really curious. So, Heather's like, the trip is hanging in the balance. Truly. So then we go to Whitney and Justin driving their Tesla and matching Gucci knockoff t-shirts from Canal Street. I can't with these people. Like, seriously. Why are they just this?

They've just gone to therapy. And he's like, sometimes I feel like therapy help. Like does therapy help? Help? Or does it make it worse? And he's like, let me help you. You are wearing matchy knockoff Gucci T-shirts from Canal Street. You're meant to be together, okay?

That is a douche level. That it's hard to find another piece. Like it's hard to like match somebody's douche meter. You have matched it, congratulations. That's it. By the way, there was a moment on below, Jack Madwin, the women were walking around Portofino. Oh, we forgot to mention about 30% of the episode

was Sandy Backing in and walking around Portofino. Oh, we forgot to mention about 30% of the episode was Sandy backing in and out of Portofino. It's like a New York City street, but with boots. But there's one moment the ladies were walking around. And the primary goes, it's not Gucci, it's Pucci. So I was wondering, does she not know that Pucci is a thing? Does she think that Pucci is a knockoff Gucci? I would like to know more contacts about that comment.

That was just Pucci. It's just another designer. It's a famous, it's like a famous legitimate like designer, but I wasn't sure if this one didn't know about Pucci or was from a friend. I don't think she did. I don't think she did. She was like, hell, Pucci, there's serving eggs outdoors too. So anyway, Whitney is like, so when we were talking about finances and bills,

Well, we weren't talking about bills. No bills, bills. Bills. Bills? Why were we talking about bills? No bills, like actual bills, bills. Oh, bills. You're actually saying it correctly this time, got it?

Mm. Yeah, well, when I was like talking about bills and then he was like, don't have that conversation. And he goes, yeah, he shut you down, huh, when I was like talking about bulls and then he was like, don't have that conversation. And he goes, yeah, he shut you down, how it just, yeah, he shut me down. Like, is the therapist during the pot or is the therapist helping us? Whitney, I think it's pretty standard in therapy

for the therapist to be like, let's not concentrate on the money part. Or like, actually we're focusing on this part of the relationship and not that part, you know, like that's he's shutting me down. He's taking away my voice. And Justin's like my favorite thing is when we talk it three with other couples, like, you know, like when we did Meredith and Seth show the other day. And then we see a clip of Justin on the show. And he's like, yeah, you know, part of me going back to work is realizing that Whitney's going through her own trauma and I can't help her with that.

But my trauma is carpool. Very busy. I'm saying, very, very busy. You can at least microwave a chicken finger. I'm exhausted. So can somebody help her with that trauma? I think that trauma's three minutes on high. Not really. Does anyone have a little wrist brace for her with that trauma? I think that trauma's three minutes on high. Not really. Also does anyone have a little wrist brace for her carpool syndrome? No, carpool, carpool. Yeah, like I said, carpool, carpool tunnel syndrome.

Stop shutting me down. So then Whitney gets a text, and it's about her friend, Sherry. So this is a good call. I want to make a call back to a recap a few weeks ago where it was at the prison event and we see this woman Sherry and she's on screen and she gets a whole chiroit. It says Sherry. And on the podcast, I was like, why did we give this random woman a chiroit? And we don't even talk to her.

It just says Sherry, and I was joking. It just seemed so random. Several people messaged me afterwards to say that Sherry had actually passed. And that maybe that was like a attribute or whatever. And so now this is sadly where we get into it. And so now Whitney, and by the way, I felt like a jackass after that too.

Why did I share this person? So that made me super sad, and I felt way, I felt like a jackass after that too. Why did I share this person? So that made me super sad and I felt really bad about it. But now Whitney gets a text about Sherry being intubated and it's looking really bad. And we find out that Whitney has known Sherry for 23 years and they were really good friends. And we actually have a lot of footage of Sherry showing up at events and stuff. And Whitney's just like really sad. She's never had to deal with something like this before her best friend dying of cancer. And it's making her see the bigger picture. And she's basically tells Justin like, look, like, you know, we both want to be in this.

There's just bigger things to worry about. And they both agree that they're just going to keep fighting for their marriage. Okay. So then we go to Lisa going to a restaurant and all that. Not just any restaurant, Ronnie. Tuscana. Tuscana. Your favorite. Tuscana time. But it wasn't Kuchina Tuscana.

It was just Tuscana and I wonder if they are related. Maybe this is like their express. Yeah. It's like not the fancy version. It's like how Moza has Moza, and they have Moza, Pizza, yeah. Moza, Pizza, Rea, they're like, this is just the casual one.

So we still charge you $50 for a pizza, but you can wear more casual clothes. I think that's exactly what it is. Like, because you know, Tuscana is like the, that's like the fancy version, and this is like the, this is like the fancy version, and this is like the, this is like the more suburban version that you can wear your jeans at,

but still get charged the same amount of money for. Yeah. So Lisa comes into the restaurant as she comes in anywhere. Hi, how are you? Love that, love it. Yeah, Tuscana, am I right? And Lisa Kachina.

Okay, great. You got the beat of Rattie, beat of cocktail. Beat of cocktail, love that. And Lisa is now wearing giant MGK red sunglasses because they're just all following each other with a trend. So now more crazy sunglasses and Meredith walks in. She's like, hey, how are you?

I'm meeting someone here. And host, this is like, is it the lady in red who is trying to serve a look at our suburban restaurant? Yes it is. That's her. That would be her. Did you have a make-chart butter? I'm just like, right there, right there. So I start laughing over there about her and then Harry Connick Jr. comes over to wait on me. What the hell? Yeah, it's for the way you go. And me.

It's like, Harry, you can sing with your outside voice, hair. The other day I said, put on the Frank Sinatra station. I don't know why, because I was like leaning into needing reading glasses, you needing reading glasses and me ordering beats from my blood pressure. So I was like, play Frankie. Every song was Harry Connick, Junior,

who are you whispering to? Yeah. Pip up was like, play Frankie. Every song was Harry Connick Jr. Who are you whispering to? Yeah. Pie pop Louise. Come on. Sing out Louise. I'm so glad you're back with us. I thought we lost you in that canyon. He's like, ah, yeah, that was independent state. That was a movie. I'm alive and well, don't worry about it. So the waiter is like, yeah, I have any drinks from mind. And she's like, um, cock at the Vita sunset, which you definitely have on your menu. And I definitely did not just like bring Vita had a time and tell you that you could like serve the tomato. Thank you.

I'm married. It's like, um, I only have a cab or a which is assigned that this friendship is still not healed. Because when someone orders our own drink and you just, blatantly you're like, fuck your drink, I will take a no name cabernet. I don't even care. Okay. Just put it out of a box. So just please don't make it be that.

Yeah, anything but be that. And then they order food and murder the orders, muscles and truffle fries and it cuts the least you're going, ha ha ha ha ha ha. I'm like, what? That was that's so funny. I think you see ordered french fries with your muscles. I don't know what that was.

But doesn't everybody? Isn't that Mule Freetz? I don't know, but Lisa was very delighted by it. So then Meredith has a big gulp cup or something. One of those big plastic cups of... They always drive around in this town with giant styrofoam cups from someplace. They're usually like, Lisa gets big gold, actual big gold plens, but I guess

like Taco Bell or I don't know what this one was so I couldn't read it. It was the super sized Gerber portion cup actually. I just told it from Bruxy. And Lisa's like, where did men at? What was in that cup? Because we know it's alcohol. Like everybody knows, that was Meredith Thrody. And she goes, well listen, you have your bank hooks and I have muscle cramps. Is that what she said? Yeah, she goes, well, I get very dehydrated.

I get all sorts of muscle cramps. And I find the best way to deal with dehydration is to walk around with a giant cup of something and then get to a rath round order some wine because nothing helps dehydration like wine. So they start talking about her new earrings because Meredith is about to have her jewelry show and she's wearing on her Pac-Man earrings. It looks like a Pac-Man eating an M and And Lisa's like, oh my god, amazing.

I'm so excited about your event and all your new pea sats even though you wouldn't order a Vita Sunset, you fucking baaatch. Oh thank you. Did you and Man, I can't get to a plane some peas. And Lisa's like, I think so. I mean, I don't even know what the other show has. Like, it's frustrating to even have a conversation with her because they don't go anywhere. And it's like, you're ugly. Like, fix your face. Like, get some ball of talks. Get some filler.

Like, I'm gonna stage in my life where like, you know, I just like, I never talk like that. Like, another woman in my life, you know? Yeah, you can't just keep attacking somebody and then expect them to sit there and take it all the time, you know? I mean, really, unless you're married to him. My right, John? So there's so much love hanging fruit about Monica. You know, like I could attack Monica if I want to.

I could do that if I want you, but I'm not. Which I think is interesting how she phrase that because she's about to tell Meredith how disgusting it is for Meredith to suggest that she could attack somebody if she wanted to. Like Lisa doesn't even have the self-awareness to realize she's currently doing the same thing. Right, and Meredith picks up on it right away.

So, Meredith goes, well, it's funny, right? Same, right? Because I do want to clear the air on something, I'm not upset or I'm not upset because I did want to eat an egg. So, well, I'm not upset. I just want to clear on the air.

The record button, that doesn't go on automatically. Can I just clear on the air about that? No, okay, no, that was it. The other thing I want to clear the air about, though is I just want to understand, well, sand because I was a little complex by it. Did you tell Angie that I have threatened her? for no I didn't tell her that you threat Dye I told her that you said that she's lucky what's the word whatever you said to me outside the restaurant about

Burning her house down expressing all the vicinity crads. What was that and Meredith tells us oh I don't know we see Meredith in the clip going You know I want to get that scene suck it on her the woman we see Meredith in the clip going, You know, I wanna get that scene stuck at all, right? The warm ones, the nice thing of the money, you know why, you want me to go there and walk those blows? I can go there.

So, Meredith, Meredith is like, well, that's when I saw, and I wanted to check in only and because it's very interesting, some of the wording that you just sent to me regarding Manica, that's what me and me think to be right now, was very interesting. Some of the wording that you just sent to me regarding Manica, that's what me and you think to be right now, was very similar.

Okay, I'm listening. I'm listening, I'm listening. I'm listening to it right now. Go ahead, hold on, I'm just getting a hand crammed behind me. I'm just getting a hand crammed behind me. Hold on, I'm listening. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,

okay, I'm back. I'm back. Okay, go ahead. Listen. There's a lot of stuff out there about Lovery, but I mean, Banger was accusing me of throning her. Yeah, well, you know what? I didn't say it was the same thing.

I didn't, you know what? The whole thing with Anjie, like, I don't even like, like, you know what? I don't even like you saying like, you want me to like say what I know about her husband. Do you know what I mean? Because like I don't want anyone to say that about yo, it's disgusting.

I don't like it. It feels icky. It feels icky. I don't want to be around that anymore. I just don't. Shing. Oh, did you bring my muscles? I was just giving a dramatic sound effect for you, ma'am.

Shing. Thank you, Harry. It's all handsome. Yeah, I was originally auditioning to be the person who would do it in the transitions for Top Chef when we go to commercial. Sing. But they went in a different direction. So, merit for coils.

Merit for like, and she goes, well, I'm really disappointed because I, because at least in law, I have agreed to discuss issues as they came up, so I don't know what's going on here. That's definitely unsettling, and I doesn't feel gone and not what we agree on while hour. So Lisa has decided her way out of everything is just to go with modern language just to say she's triggered. Because apparently if somebody is triggered, you are not allowed to argue with them.

She's just learning that. And I think that it's from being around Monica. It's like, oh, okay, this person's triggered. Now I have to fucking apologize because they're fucking triggered. Because now in the rest of the episode, every time she gets in trouble, she goes, you know what? That's very triggering for me. So, Meredith is like, well, I'm sorry, then it's triggering,

but when I'm not gonna know with this hypocritical conversation, what you're telling me is what's going on with Monica is that she's playing victim to your reaction to her being bad behavior, is that correct? That was a really long sentence, I'm having a really sh- Can you show up on the top again? I'm not sure I followed that. Yeah sit in some of it. I can't get you out of the top again. I'm not trying to follow that.

Yeah. It was a lot. Can we get Harry Connard Jr. back here? So what I'm saying is, okay, she ain't bad behavior. You react, you reacted badly. You reacted one way and then she's playing the victim to it. So you're playing the victim to your reaction to her bad behavior.

Ahhh. Can you do that one more time? Just like a lot of concepts all at once. Thanks. So I'm in trouble for her for my reaction to her bad behavior. That was manipulation and just lining. And Lisa's like, oh wait a minute. She had an issue with Angie because Angie said she'd never be friends with someone like you. And then you took it up eight levels and you said you know things about her husband and her family and her business and it's just not the same Monica's being a bitch you're being deceptive it's not Lisa has a little bit of a warp view on that one because Angie crash Meredith's party, which by the way she should have been there because she's a cast member, so like there was that too. But Angie had just started up with Meredith at the table. Meredith was wasted.

And Angie had started coming from Meredith, so Meredith was pissed. That being said, I do think that there is a subtle difference in being like, yeah, you want to talk about the husband, you want wanna hear about the husband, you're basically implying, like, cheating on national TV versus saying like, ugh, like Monica, she's always, I mean, I could go after about a million things. There is like a tonal difference, but not a huge one, not a huge one.

I don't mean she was kind of threatening her, but I think if she threatened her to her face, that would be one thing. But the only reason this became a big deal is because Lisa ran and told everybody that Meredith is threatening you. Yes. Definitely doesn't happen like this band on here because Meredith should be able to bitch to her friend and say, oh really does she want me bringing up all this stuff about

you? So why? You should be allowed to do that. So Whitney also spread it around because Meredith also went up to Whitney. I was like, you know, I'm here. Oh, look at her going to Hudson News at the airport. Well, I got some news for you and it goes, we beyond the Hudson, it's about the husband,

but I'm not gonna say it. Whitney did it. Whitney was the original one who was like, I'm gonna get married. For sure, but Lisa isn't really helping, right? And then behind Meredith's back, she's like, yeah, but she was like saying all this stuff she could do, yeah, if so, whatever.

We're going in circles, but guess what? That is talking about real house watches. That's what I mean. It's the circles. I love the circles. So, circle of life. So Lisa's like, okay, you know what? Let's just, there's nothing out there about her though,

and you're threatening to say stuff about her, but there's nothing out about her. I'm worried it's because while there's ants some out there about her, that's not true probably, but there is, I've been sent stuff. People think, me've been sent stuff. My Twitter DMs have been sent stuff. Seth has been sent stuff through my phone.

So. Yeah, but I just think that like even saying it is like that's bad because it like leads people's mind to wonder. I'm like says Lisa who went behind a closed door seemingly conveniently and then started spewing all sorts of stuff that Meredith. Like let's not forget where this problem really began, okay?

So Meredith basically, like, listen, there's something out there about all of us. It doesn't make it true. And she goes, yeah, Pat, it doesn't make it okay to threaten it either. And she goes, I'm in a can't use a word, blah, my definition, it's wrong. So by saying, I would never do that.

That was the part that you're missing. I would never do that. Yeah, but you're going off in tension. Do you know what? That's why I put my brakes on our friendship. Because that was like so uncomfortable with that. What you want? Pop the box. Yeah, if you know what our friendship we were in a car and then I like, I was like, boom, I pumped the box. You then? When did you pump the brakes? They were pints.

Then you would even say that. After I nearly lost my life when our car pumped its brakes and we wound up in a 3-inch snowbank, it's just horrifying. Horrifying. I can't be. Okay I'm sorry but you know I don't I don't know if you noticed but I pumped the brake. I didn't like it you literally texted me five times today but they were pumped. So I just want you to know I'm not supporting anyone in this fight. Okay, let me make this clear I'm not the one bringing a twining little well what Sounds like she's really sounds like Lisa really opened up a book of worms there

So mayor's like wow, so did you pump the brakes with Angie to then? Angie's like, no, I didn't pump the, Lisa, this is when you light said, yes, of course I did. She's like, no, I didn't pump the brakes with Angie. She was, oh, so you were fine with the way she treats me, but my reaction, which my way, don't forget, was the problem, my not the last time. You're fine with that. She was, no, I'm not fine with the way she treats you.

I just didn't pump the brakes on her, because she has a nice house, so. I just didn't pump the brakes on her because she has a nice house. So, last time I was on the brakes on you, you ended up going up into snow bank. So, I learned my last time, you know, we took a Uber. We took an Uber. Well, I wasn't gonna pump the brakes on her because she let me the sunglasses.

They're really cute. With the surf. With the surf. With the sunglasses hot. And so anyway, and she's like, oh, well, you are, I'm not bringing a tornado. I don't even need to because guess what? Karma comes back and Karma takes care of people.

Is that a threat? Why is everything your saying so much threat? Can we have the check please? Bring me the check. I dare you. Bring me the check. I dare you and bring me this It's how Rick honored you're in a small tornado right now. Well, I didn't bring it I did not bring that I didn't bring it because I know karma brings this can be a karma tornado coming back So I don't have to bring a tornado because it's gonna come as it's So then Lisa starts nervously pulling her hair and probably gets pizza all over it.

Does Lisa ever go home where she's not covered in food from eating with her eating handy type things and then rubbing her hands in her hair? I love that. Hey all, that's it for part one of this recap. We will be back with part two, keep an eye and an ear out on your podcast feed. It will be up very shortly.

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