Watch What Crappens - #2266 RHOSLC Part 1: Catamaran Got Your Tongue?

Episode Date: December 20, 2023

Oh no! It’s the second to last Real Housewives of Salt Lake City (S04E15) of the season! The women corner Meredith about DMs, but she manages to turn the ship — or catamaran —&nbsp...;around. Afterwards, Whitney remembers she needs to fight; so she tries it with Heather over exploitation of boudoir photos.  This is part one of a two part recap. Stay tuned for part two!Watch with Crappens on Demand here:  http://bit.ly/crappensvideoSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello listeners, this is Mike Corey of Against the Odds. You might know that I adventure around the world while recording this podcast. And over the years, I've learned that where I stay when I travel can make all the difference. Airbnb has been my go-to place for finding the perfect accommodations. Because with hotels, you often don't have the luxury of extra space or privacy. Recently, I had a bunch of friends come down to visit in Mexico. We found this large house and the place had a pool, a barbecue, a kitchen, and a great big living room to play cards, watch movies, and just chill out. It honestly made all the difference
Starting point is 00:00:38 in the trip. It felt like we were all roommates again. The next time you're planning a trip, whether it's with friends, family, or yourself, check out Airbnb to find something you won't forget. Hello listeners, this is Mike Corey of Against the Odds. You might know that I adventure around the world while recording this podcast, and over the years, I've learned that where I stay when I travel can make all the difference. Airbnb has been my go-to place for finding the perfect accommodations. Because with hotels, you often don't have the luxury of extra space or privacy. Recently, I had a bunch of friends come down to visit in Mexico. We found this large house and the place had a pool, a barbecue, a kitchen, and a great
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Starting point is 00:02:32 I am doing so well for here today to talk about the real house. We have the Salt Lake City, which I can't believe season finale is next week during vacation. No less. That is so cruel. Actually, do we know if it's next week or is it gonna be happening? It's not next week. Is it happening? We're not gonna miss the finale of Salt Lake City. Are you kidding? I would record that on Jesus's damn birthday. They are off next week. Yeah, I mean next week is Christmas night. So they can't. Right?
Starting point is 00:03:03 Or then I'm after Christmas night. Well they can't. Right, or the night after Christmas night. Well, you know Bravo, they are good. Well, Christmas is on Monday, so it'll be the day after Christmas. I don't know. If Bravo puts up the finale of the day after Christmas, I will be furious. No, I already look, because I was like,
Starting point is 00:03:18 girl, are they? Girl. Is Monica saying, girl. I can't believe I would call it mon I would call it bravo and say you know what my family is from here and we built this network I feel like You built this now. So fucking annoying. I Feel like I feel like there are there still needs to be like three three at least three more episodes of the season. I just feel like there's so much stuff
Starting point is 00:03:49 that has to be resolved. I'm shocked. It looks like there's not even going to be a finale party. It looks like it's going to end in Bermuda, which is shocking. But if our suspicions are correct, I think we surmise this a few weeks ago, that the phone call that Heather received, that we saw tease in the beginning of the season, that looks like it's happening in the finale, we believe that phone call is going to be that, like, Heather finds out that it's been Monica suing her beauty lab in laser all this time. That's, that seems like it's the logical thing that will happen, that will shatter this group and shatter their relationship with her.
Starting point is 00:04:28 And I am just like, I cannot wait for this finale. What about you? Yes, it's gonna be some good times. And you know, we do get some hints about it. And the coming next, coming in the season finale clip, we saw Heather freaking out about it, obviously, obviously and saying this is the ultimate embolling. She said something like this woman has been bullying me. So I guess she's been bullying Beauty Lab and Laser. I mean, I want to see somebody bully the Botox people. Listen, I've been tempted.
Starting point is 00:04:59 You know, yeah, I'm like, hey, I do not look 20. I've definitely wanted to get on there and be like, fuck you. These people don't make you look young. No offense if any of you are listening. Love you guys, I would never do that to you. But listen, anybody who's been to the S-setician has wanted to bully them at some point. You know, is that natural?
Starting point is 00:05:22 Sure. I don't know. I haven't been to the S-sition really for that sort of stuff. So, oh, brag about it. Well, when you go in there, they basically show you pictures of children and they're like Botox and you're like, oh, really? Wow. Well, that person is 10.
Starting point is 00:05:36 So why are you opening a business with 40-something, 50-something people coming in and then you're showing us basically 10 years old and at 10 years old and acting like, oh my god, you're going to make us look like that. You know what? You're promising. You're over promising. And also we should outlaw people in their early 20s being on ads for fucking Botox and chemical pills because it's not fair. Okay. You know what the kind of pill I want to do to you. I want to do the manual pill where I peel your face off and I fucking Buffalo Bill style wear that shit. And I can walk around with your 20, 20 year old face,
Starting point is 00:06:11 stupid Botox model. So this is the established tone for today's recap. We're in a really happy mad girl. We're in a really safe, like at we're in a healthy place right now. Mine and tell you nothing bad about Botox models. Did I get you mad? I did. So either way, excited for that.
Starting point is 00:06:36 Also just a programming note we are going on VK at the end of this week, but we have content up all scheduled for next week. We have our four part recap of Ladies of the 80s Adivas Christmas. That's going to be all next week with the reality gaze. We love them. We love their podcast. So be sure to watch that movie that's on lifetime. It's terrible. We're not telling you it's a good movie, but you're gonna have a lot of fun making fun of it with us. So go watch that. Also, we have recaps coming up next week for the second two episodes that dropped
Starting point is 00:07:14 for Real Housewives Ultimate Girls Trip because three episodes, peacock dropped three episodes of us on the premiere. So we did the first episode, in case you missed it, that went up late last week. So episodes two and three of Girl's Trip will be next week. I can't wait to recap those because wow, those episodes were absolutely hilarious. So it's gonna be good stuff for next week. So definitely still keep listening, keep tuning in. And that's basically all for that. So let's like talk about Salt Lake City in a way
Starting point is 00:07:45 that will not make Ronnie want to peel someone's skin off and wear it on his face out of rage. Too late of already added myself on that one. Okay, it was pretend that it ever happened and bring me in a baby, woo! So here we are in Bermuda and the Butler, wait, who's the Butler? Nanny? Who's Nanny? Who's Nanny? Yeah, N's the Butler? Nanny?
Starting point is 00:08:05 Who's Nanny? Who's Nanny? Yeah, Nanny, I thought Nanny was gonna have a larger presence because I'm sort of in girl's trip mode, so I was like, oh, Nanny, let's see what Nanny has to say. And Nanny literally just like delivers, just says another beautiful day, and that's his only presence in the entire episode. No, he didn't say beautiful day. So beautiful day.
Starting point is 00:08:26 So I always owe what you said. Yeah, I don't know. No, I said beautiful. But then I change it to permutiful as a beautiful person. Yeah, because here's the thing with the money. Okay, money had an opportunity here to be great. But instead, money came on and said, hey, isn't it another permutiful day? Get the fuck out of here with that, okay?
Starting point is 00:08:45 What are we in a tourist shop? What are you gonna make me a keychain with my name on it? Get out of here. So, I was glad he was gone. I was like, get rid of him. We don't need this kind of energy. We don't need tourist shop kind of energy in here, sir. Goodbye.
Starting point is 00:08:58 Yeah, goodbye. So, but of course, Lisa loves it. She goes, yes, it's Bermudaful. Yes, another beautiful day. Hi. And then Monica's reading birthday cards from her kids and of course crying. And then her kids write,
Starting point is 00:09:14 PS, please do not get arrested, which is hilarious because they really know their mom well. I'm actually surprised Monica emerged from this trip without getting arrested, given her track record of being sued by a car wash and also being arrested. So, you know, it was a valid concern.
Starting point is 00:09:33 It wasn't arrested by the car wash, I should say. That was two separate things. I just always like to remind people that she's being sued by a car wash because that's the funniest thing ever to me. Yeah, that was pretty good. So, we see what everyone's doing. Monica and Heather go take a walk together. Heather's in this mode where she's always in these weird, big pink headphones.
Starting point is 00:09:56 I'm not really sure what's going on, but every time we see her, she's in them. And then she even does that thing where she's like, hey, you want to come to my room? We'll go for a walk in the morning. Cause like, and so she comes up to her room and then Heather's like, what I couldn't hear you. I had on my earphones. Why? Why are you always having your earphones on?
Starting point is 00:10:15 What are you trying to tell us? What do you want us to ask you about that nobody's asking you about? Because, don't invite me to your room and have your headphones on. It did not hear me at your door. How rude. So then, Heather's like, well, so I thought about a lot Don't invite me to your room and have your headphones on and then not hear me at your door. How rude. So then Heather's like, well, so I thought about a lot about last night and I'm really
Starting point is 00:10:31 glad you agreed to meet me and go on a walk. So let's go on our walk. And, you know, I really have been so excited for this trip. You know, last night, I'm sorry I lost my temper. I think I was just tired and mad. And just like, I think that like being a New York Times bestseller of the book, Bad Mormon, which is available at Barnes Noble and other book resellers, it's just a lot of weight on my shoulders. So I
Starting point is 00:10:55 really do apologize. Yeah, and she's like, I'm so sorry I lost my temper and then we see a clip of her being like, wait a minute, you're still married. You're saying you're as single as me? No one is as single as me. I'm the singleist. I'm the most single. What boy in the hood? I'm single time. I am single time.
Starting point is 00:11:17 What? I still don't understand why she was so mad. I needed to be the singleist of all the singles. It's still not totally clear. I think that like the PT MD post-traumatic Mormon disorder can like creep up in strange ways, where like just relics of whatever issues she had with the church,
Starting point is 00:11:41 just somehow like infuse these moments. So Monica's like, I was frowning. And I was like, well, I just feel like it started on the bus when you're questioning me and my daughters about sex. And I felt like you were coming for me. And that surprised me too. So it was just like already brewing. And then to have it repeat, you knew it was a touchy thing for us. I mean, as it was detailed in my bestselling book Bad Mormon and you just dove in and so I think I just that's why I reacted so strongly. I mean Heather was sensitive on the bus but Monica was trying to like start shit with
Starting point is 00:12:18 her when she was like I've been sectioned so let's do something else now now that I've been sectioned. But of course it's Monica so she's like something else now that I've been sex-shamed. But of course, it's Monica. So she's like, she does something, and then she acts like, oh my God, why have you victimized me? Which she does for the entire episode. I think by the way, I just want to say,
Starting point is 00:12:33 I think that Monica and Whitney and Heather have had such a number done on them by the Mormon community that they were raised in, that they just have these extreme sensitivities about sex. So for as much as they like to be like, I'm liberated, the moment they detect even the faintest, um, like nuance of sex shaming, I think it just like triggers them and brings them back to like their families or the people that like shunned them. So I think they're just like hyper, hyper, hyper sensitive
Starting point is 00:13:05 because honestly, when Heather said that she didn't want to talk about her daughter's sex life, it did not read to me, at least as it was presented, as something incredibly sex-shame me, it just sounded like she was like, I don't want to talk about this on camera. You can talk about it with your daughters if you want to, but I'm not going to. So that Monica read into it, like I've been sex shamed, I think speaks more about like her issues with her community than it does anything else. Well, I'm just watching so much bravo right now that I mean, everybody has these weird sexual hangups. Like you've got this show with that. Then, you know, you've got that kind
Starting point is 00:13:42 of insecurity about aging, which when we age, as I know, because all I am doing it currently, you might remember me being mad at the Botox ads. But anyway, I'm aging. And there is like a certain thing I notice on these shows when there's older cast that they start doing the whole look, everybody, my vagina works, you know, or if they're men, which there are, like, southern charm, that ship, like, look at me, so still bone in. Everybody's like very insecure to prove that they can still fuck, but then they have shows, like the younger shows, like Winterhouse, and those people are all trying to define themselves on the sex, and like, who wants to fuck them, and oh my god, does somebody pick me? And I think think it's just a good old-fashioned American puritanical mind-fuck.
Starting point is 00:14:29 I mean, the Mormons have their version of it, the Christians have our version of it, the gay people have our own version of it. Everybody's got their own kind of flavor of it, but if you are in America, you were kind of raised with a puritanical sex shane-meat kind of line of bullshit. And I think it affects everybody. And it's interesting to see it affect all the different demographics, kind of at one time on Bravo.
Starting point is 00:14:55 Yeah, except for Unreal Housewives Ultimate Girls Trip, where it feels like that is not really a play anymore. And they are just 100% these. No, 100% it is. They're not all that horning. I mean, give me a break. You've got to be exhausted. Okay, you're in your late 60s and early 70s.
Starting point is 00:15:13 I'm not saying people can't have sex then. You know, obviously we know that they can. But I'm just saying they have like an overcompensation in that show, I think, trying to prove like I still got it. I still got it. Oh my God, all I want to do is meet somebody. Oh my God, hope there's guys here. Like literally nobody cares that much.
Starting point is 00:15:31 You know what I mean? For sure, well, I think on that show, you have definitely some like women who are like, you have these women who are just like really kind of hitting their stride in a certain way. Well, I mean, it's weird to say Sonia's hitting her stride. But like, in a sense, like, Luana is, she's, Luana has really hit her stride, I feel like, in terms of what she is doing in her life.
Starting point is 00:15:56 I think she seemed like the most like, this is what I want, this is what I want to be. And now she's like, I'm a star. Fuck me, you know? And I think she's just like, there is that element of the fact that like she feels like she's in her stride. She everything is going great. She has her cap or a thing. She's on the max singer.
Starting point is 00:16:15 She has a spin-off show. She looks great. She's feeling full of life and everything. But the truth is, in this sexist society, she is a lady who is over 50 and a lot of guys are really not going to pay attention to her. And so probably there's an element of like, that's probably why she's so, a horny, but also like, everything's great, I just need to get some.
Starting point is 00:16:38 Although I do think that Luan is probably getting a lot. I think she is, but- What was gonna say, I don't know that Luan really has a pro. Luan probably is getting a lot. I think she is, but I was gonna say, I don't know that Luan really has a pro. Luan probably is getting a lot, but she definitely acts like she's, to what you say, like the fact that she says it's, she's like, let's get some, like you sort of get the feeling like she's not,
Starting point is 00:16:57 but she definitely, I mean, I would be shocked if she, I don't even, I feel like I'm talking myself into a maze of thoughts about Luan, which is why she's my favorite bravo person of all time, because I find it to be endlessly fascinating. But the point is, I imagine if you feel like you are hitting your stride and you're of a certain age where you know you're not the quote unquote, like desirable category, that like definitely creates some sort of cognitive dissonance between like how you feel like you should be treated versus how you are treated.
Starting point is 00:17:27 Not even sure what my point is anymore. I think I just should be out of the box. Well, I have to say as Paul Adul once said, in her show, I'm so sick of not being treated like the gift that I am. Yeah, so that's what I was saying. It's just like a whole, the every show has a different reason,
Starting point is 00:17:43 but right now this week is a lot of people just being like, oh my god, there's like freakouts of sex in different ways. It's not all the same thing. I guess I just noticed it. I don't know, it's a new year and I'm like, wow. This shows that's like the running theme of the week, you know, because it's been pirates, you know? Like that's the theme one week.
Starting point is 00:18:02 Or one week it'll be like the giant of freezing week when everybody gets every chance cry out or whatever on Bravo. That's the writing theme. And right now I think it's just like everybody kind of like, oh my god, what if I can't have sex anymore? What if no one wants to have sex with me? Here's what happens.
Starting point is 00:18:20 You just watch a TV show and read a book. And life just keeps going and getting better. I mean, what is that? People, everybody calm down is my point. Okay, I'm not saying who should be fucking, who should be fucking, how old you need to be to still be getting it? No, no, no, no, no, I'm not saying any of that.
Starting point is 00:18:35 I'm saying everybody calm the fuck down. Stop defining yourself on that one quality. It's weird. Well, I think in this context of something like city. We all poo. Do you define yourselves on how much you poop? We all do it. I mean, the sex is like the same thing.
Starting point is 00:18:50 We all fuck. Like, who cares? It's just the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, and it's something natural that we do all the time. I just don't understand why everybody's freaking out about sex on Bravo this week. Well, I think that, like, well, getting back to the original point, which is that I think the reason why Whitney
Starting point is 00:19:11 and because Whitney is later on in the episode, but Monica, I think the reason why they freak out is because I think they were raised in a community where they were like really, like, you know, being sexually uh quote unquote promiscuous or or just leaning into sex was looked down upon and there was like a lot of shame around that. So now as far as much as they proclaim that they're like like I am away from that church and I'm sexual
Starting point is 00:19:40 and I am going to put a poll in my basement and I'm going to talk about sex and I'm going to slather myself up in chocolate sauce and roll around with my husband and call it art. As much as there's the sense of sexual liberation, you can see the moment there's a glimmer of anything that reminds them of the people that shamed them for so long they brought right back to that place. And I think that's what happened with Monica here with Heather.
Starting point is 00:20:09 Okay. So Monica's like, okay, look, we're getting to know each other. You know, we don't know each other. It's never been known each other. And now I know that there's certain topics that aren't up for discussion. No, because she didn't really ever say sexism up for discussion. She doesn't want to talk about her daughter fucking. It's like an appropriate, like her apologies are wrong. And she's like, and I don't want to be in that place with you,
Starting point is 00:20:33 because you've been so incredible Heather. You've been so incredible. And Heather's like, okay, they must not be in that place and they hug. And she's like, okay, let's just move on from this. And she's like, okay, so how are you on from this. And she's like, okay, so Harry, you feel like about the marative thing. You think, okay. So you've moved on from the daughter-fucking bomb, which wasn't the main bomb.
Starting point is 00:20:52 Let's move to the main bomb that you dropped, which was the marative bomb. Let's see how you can make yourself a victim in all of this, because it really is quite astonishing. And how people follow her down that path every single time. Where they're like, oh my God, she is the victim. Well, Heather's like, you know, it was a like a lot, you know, and I'm I'm wondering if Meredith even sent the DMs. Monica was like, well, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:21:16 And Heather says, well, what does your gut say? And which by the way, I'm not sure I would trust Monica's gut on things. I think it's letter into some, I think it's letter into some problems in the past. I'm just saying. Guts are untrustworthy. We need a new saying. Guess what my gut says? Peanut M&Ms.
Starting point is 00:21:30 That's literally all it ever says. Don't ask that. That fucking gut for anything. Guts, yeah. Guts are really not reliable. I don't know why people go there. So basically Monica's like, you know, I wouldn't think anyone would send DMs.
Starting point is 00:21:44 I wouldn't think anyone would do that shit. And Heather's like, well, don't say things like that. Like, I mean, you have a fake account, like what about you? Do you have a fake account? Do you send yourself, oh, cause I'm sorry. Monica says, I wouldn't think any of you guys would do it. I would do it. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
Starting point is 00:21:57 And I was like, well, don't say that because like, do what? Do you have a fake account? And do you send yourself DMs? And I was like, no, not to myself, girl. Which is funny because that's exactly what we were saying last week as a possible theory. Right. And notice how she didn't say, well, I wouldn't send DMs, fake DMs to myself. No. Of course she's saying, of course I would send them to other people. But also, a real housewife being like, what?
Starting point is 00:22:21 Someone with a fake account sending DMs to people trying to get evidence out there? Why have never heard of such a thing? Really have you ever heard of Ms. Jill Zaren who was giving herself fabulous book reviews? What was Jill Zaren's fake name on Amazon? It's like, what's look of that? Jill Zaren's fake name on Amazon reviews.
Starting point is 00:22:45 I'm gonna say, Neemish is such a gold story. Susan Saunders, that's her name. This is from reality. Susan Saunders, yeah. Well, if you're Jill Zarein of the Real Housewives of New York City, you lock into your Amazon.com account, change your name to Susan Saunders,
Starting point is 00:23:00 and start leaving good reviews for your book. Unfortunately for Jill Sush, Susan, she's been caught. Red-handed by Gokka.com. Oh my god. To make things worse for Jill, there's photographic evidence. According to Gokka, it all started when Jill, or someone going by the name of Susan Saunders, decided to reply to a negative review.
Starting point is 00:23:23 Here's what they wrote. They, um, but then of course the picture is expired, but classic, that is a classic and that is years and years ago. So let's not pretend the housewives haven't been doing this forever. Yeah. Susan Saunders, I don't think I even realize that. Um, or I forgotten. That's great. History. It looks great wriggle.
Starting point is 00:23:43 Yeah, that is history. It's time for commercial. It's time for a crap and commercial. It's almost that magical time of year. Speaking of, what's your favorite Christmas story, Ben? Hands down, the Grinch. Same. It cracks me up that he hates all the marimons.
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Starting point is 00:24:52 So Heather is saying she doesn't want to really even face the idea that someone in our and their group may have created a fake account to spread lies and negative gossip, which is funny because that's what happened last season with Angie Harrington and her husband. So she's like, we've all been, you know, we've all been victims of it, even Meredith. And it's hurtful when a stranger trolls us, but a friend to think that someone would go so low to harm someone in our circle,
Starting point is 00:25:17 it's the ultimate betrayal. It's devastating. Okay, so here's a clue. So she says the ultimate betrayal she calls it. Now she's referring to somebody making up fake names and sending DMs and stuff. But in the trailer, we see her crying in Bermuda and saying, oh my god, this is the ultimate betrayal.
Starting point is 00:25:40 So do you think that that's what the ultimate betrayal is? I feel like that's a sin fair. I feel like Heather says the ultimate betrayal a lot. Like I feel like she goes to John Budges and they're out of straw shits. It's the ultimate betrayal. That was my part in space. The ultimate betrayal. Your soda machine is down the ultimate betrayal People on Hanukkah people who celebrate Hanukkah get a gift every day the ultimate betrayal Like she you know she says it every day for some any any reason Anything the milk is expiring tomorrow ultimate betrayal Oh my god She's like junk mail you may have already won a million dollars. Oh wow
Starting point is 00:26:37 Damage the ultimate betrayal. Oh my god. I've been I've been approved for an American Express card We'd have to apply for the American Express card Trail So she's like yeah, that would be the ultimate betrayal. So how there's like okay, that's what we're gonna turn up today Right we've got it in us. Are we gonna get ready for the y'all Monica? We're gonna cry look a little baby and we're gonna have fun today. Monica's like, oh my God, let's talk about sex. Just kidding, I'm having sex.
Starting point is 00:27:10 Just kidding. Are you receiving a facts right now, Monica? No, that's just the way I talk. So Meredith is in bed, FaceTiming with Seth, and he's like, so how are you holding up? And she's like, well, I'm struggling a little bit. Bermuda's beautiful, but this has not been a real easy time for me. Literally last night everyone came at me and it was insane. I mean Lisa
Starting point is 00:27:39 yelled at me like I was crazy. It was very, all stay and it just was just Lisa I mean Hullar was not a supporter. So it's like okay well let me ask you about my good friend. With these boobs they asked about me. They saidS.G.S. Can you gilets me? I'm trying to tell you I'm not feeling very supported. I'm just trying to decipher what's really going on. You're in whose responsible for what? Which is why I wore a fortune teller to her band to dinner last night. Trying to understand. So then we cut to a Whitney Fencing.
Starting point is 00:28:24 She's like, I grew up playing tennis. I'm no Serena, but I do play. Line tennis with me. It's tennis. Yeah. It's for stress. And this trip has been stressful. How is it that we're four seasons in and we are only finding out now that when you play tennis? I feel like people who play tennis on Bravo are pretty loud about the fact that they play tennis because they're always like, we wanna play some tennis.
Starting point is 00:28:53 We'll play some tennis. Remember Hannah Burner's season for season on Summer House. She's like, don't us. So when we keep coming back to Jill's Aaron, I don't know why she's my line of her name. That's like classic New York, right? That was, whoa, you know what? Some people go play tennis with other people.
Starting point is 00:29:10 And this is it. And the way I got all the combative on the tennis court. Wasn't she playing with Jill? Wasn't that the thing? No, no, no, yeah, because I think what happened was that Jill challenged Ramona and Mario to a tennis match in the season one. And then Luanne played with Jill because Bobby couldn't play or something like that.
Starting point is 00:29:29 It was a whole drama. It was a whole drama. And they were very competitive. So when you and Angie go to play tennis and just like, well, you know, I play with Sean and Electra once in a while, but I'm not good at it. So, um, they start playing tennis, basically. And it goes just as well. You should pretend that this tennis ball is merited and then you'll hit it hard.
Starting point is 00:29:55 And Angie hits the ball. And every time she hits it, it says you know, huh? I'm glad they found another way to recycle that. This time in black and white, pausing between tennis malls. I know, they are really wedging it in there. I mean, thankfully, so like this is a good note for Real House House of Potomac.
Starting point is 00:30:16 This is not like this gag was amazing, but here's a good way to use a gag that does not stop the entire show for 25 seconds. The show continues moving forward while the gag is going on. So Angie is, they just played bad tennis as usual, Bravo bad tennis. And then afterwards Angie's like, you know, honestly, after last night, I am just like blown away that we are yet again addressing Meredith spreading more rumors about me. that we are yet again addressing Meredith spreading more rumors about me. That was next level crazy because she was just like sitting there and then everyone's coming at her and then she's just like smiling at everybody.
Starting point is 00:30:55 Oh my God, how could she do it? And how could she then, oh she says, and then she came back to the house and she just had cake with us like nothing happened. Okay, everything else you said I'm like, you know she's probably trying to make you guys realize that she's not this person or whatever Meredith eating cake. Okay. There's something fishy here. We need to get to the bottom of it. We've never seen that. Have we ever seen Meredith eating cake? I need Bermuda triangle is that work here like Like this is not the Meredith that we know. She's been swapped with a doppelganger. The real Meredith is on a dingy somewhere
Starting point is 00:31:30 in the middle of the ocean. Her, like this was some weird triangle shit happening here. Oh, so she's like, she and Angie's like, you know why? Because she's guilty. And she's like, yeah, well, she thinks she can scurrying without owning it and just it will just go away.
Starting point is 00:31:49 Just you know why? Because she is guilty. That is why you know who else is guilty of loving color mother olives me. I am Greek. Yeah. I mean, how long can she keep up the facade before we're like, you're not safe.
Starting point is 00:32:05 You don't take accountability. You don't take responsibility. You don't, um, I don't have a third word for that. So I'm just going to say, we don't want you around. And Angie's like, you know what? Um, this is unwell. Be a girl. And Whitney says, okay, well, what about her freaking out at Monica? What about Heather freaking out at Monica? And then she's like, I had no idea that was coming every culture. And the religion is a lot of sex shaming. So it's basically what you were saying before.
Starting point is 00:32:38 Which is that, you know, Mormons grow up with a lot of shame around sex. And so I guess Heather being her daughter is being accused of having sex or before marriage or them questioning Heather having sex outside of marriage, it just to rigored her. And Whitney is like, but she won't talk about her own sex life, but she wants to talk about everyone else's, which triggers me. Oh my God, you're triggered with me. Wasn't last week or two weeks ago, just about you being on Meredith's podcast, talking about how you were banging Justin
Starting point is 00:33:13 under his death when HR came in. Could we please stop pretending that Whitney is so offended that anybody would suggest that she's sexy, which by the way, is all that happened in that book, I read it with my e-readers into it. Meredith, you exploited my mouth for you to sell podcast sales. So, when he was like, I just finished reading her book and of all the stories she could have told
Starting point is 00:33:38 about our friendship, she chose to write about when I hired her to do my booed dawaria for a photo shoot as an anniversary gift to Justin in 2017. And it just rubs me the wrong way because she gets weird when her sex life is brought up but she'll write about mine. A... A Boudoir photo shoot is not sex shoot that is supposed to help or inspire a sex life, but it is not actually the sex life itself, unless you're having sex in the Boudoir photo shoot. She did not talk about her sex life. This scene was not at all about that. I read it, and I don't know why I want points for that,
Starting point is 00:34:21 but it's rare. I don't read many Bravo books, you know. So I don't want many for. I want to be paid for it. I don't know why I want points for that, but it's rare. I don't read many bravo bucks, you know? So I'd like, I don't mind any for, I'd like, I want to be paid for it. But she, um, it wasn't about that. Also, there was a clip, which was odd, right? We saw a clip of this happening from 2017. So I don't know if that was like from their sizzle reel that they made before, or if I don't know don't know where they got that footage, but I thought that was interesting.
Starting point is 00:34:47 But Heather was talking in the book about how she was a photographer to make money after her divorce. Like she had always enjoyed photography, so she was trying to figure out a way to make money doing photography. And she did budwaw photos and someone recommended Whitney, who was like a sexy kind of a model. And so Whitney came and Heather was like, wow, this girl is so free and beautiful.
Starting point is 00:35:10 It was a positive story and there was nothing sex shaming about it. You took Boudoir pictures for a lady, front of a lady who takes Boudoir pictures. There was nothing, it's weird. And it's also right when they met. So of course, she's telling a story of how she met you. It's being read by Housewives' fans.
Starting point is 00:35:26 So I don't know, Whitney's stretching for this. Whitney is trying to find a way in to this. She's just trying to create a fight. That's all she's trying to do. She's trying to, like, she feels like she is not, I'm sorry, she feels like she is not in the, like the front and center of the season. So she's just trying to wedge her way in.
Starting point is 00:35:44 So now everyone's gathering to go. And Lee Lisa's very antsy that they're not late, because Lisa had texted at everyone, we're gonna go to a yacht. So, Lisa, come on, everyone, we need to go, Anja! Anja! Anja, you ready? We're late. We're just gonna go without Anja! So, they, they go. Anja comes out late. And she's like, I'm here, I'm here, I'm here. I don't know why I'm explaining every little detail of them walking into a van.
Starting point is 00:36:10 But when you watch it, to me, I think what I was watching I was so deeply entertained by just a simple act of them gathering and stepping into a vehicle that I wrote to I was like, this is gold. This is so gold right now, because I just enjoy the show so much. So I put people to you, Nan. They're like, wow, you know what? I hope they talk about that part where Angie walked really slowly in the car gingerly through the foyer to get to the
Starting point is 00:36:35 van. I was like, what's going on right guys? So we never know what's going to happen. You have to, if we don't write it down, then guess what happens? Something important. Every single fucking time. If we're like, oh, they're just walking to the car. Who cares? I've got five minutes to put on some lip gloss. Then the second, you know, then we miss some piece of evidence that people bring up later and we're like excoriated. Like, I can't believe that. You left at that part. Well, I sounded like an old-timey horn, didn't I? But, I don't know. I can't believe you didn't really go into detail about the way Angie walked out of her room a few minutes late, but it was gotta funny
Starting point is 00:37:12 because she was walking so gingerly. She was like holding like a sunglass case and she was walking so gingerly as if she were balancing like multiple plates in a survivor challenge. She's like, okay, one moment, I'm just fighting for immunity, oh no, oh no. By the way, survivors really good to season finale. It's tomorrow tonight. I'm really excited. Come on, Ronnie. I don't care. It's too much for me. That shows too much. Too many people
Starting point is 00:37:35 not taking showers. That's true. In one place. I just don't want that. That's true. Also, it's like, okay, never mind. I'm not gonna start again. I'll let you all rest for that one. You're welcome. So Meredith's like, wow. They go to this boat and Angie is like, you know, the last time I was on a boat with these ladies, my shoes went overboard and then we see a clip of Jen being like, and throwing her shoes overboard.
Starting point is 00:38:04 And then immediately being like, what throwing her shoes overboard and then immediately being like, what about me? What about how I feel about my shoes? So, you know, this is Salt Lake City because they've arrived and the yacht is not a yacht. It's a catamaran, which was actually in, of what season three or four of Potomac. This was actually an issue, because I think of that Monique Samuels actually rented a catamaran in Bermuda, and they all were like,
Starting point is 00:38:32 why is this a catamaran not a yacht? If I remember correctly, I do remember specificity of the marathon. I remember it. The American Medicine that definitely happened. They were very... The issue is that on Bravo, people don't like it when you promise a yacht and you provide something
Starting point is 00:38:44 that's not a yacht, especially if it's a catamaran. But here, Salt Lake City, the franchise, that places their caspets in a parking lot behind a fountain of dirty snow. They're just happy for anything. So they're like, wow, great, a catamaran. They're so happy. They made this a catamaran, not a catamaran. They loved it. Or not a catamaran.
Starting point is 00:39:07 They loved it. Or not a catamaran. They loved it. And it was also one of the nicer catamaran. I have to say, this was not like a low rent where you're getting splashed, because some of them are really low to the ground. And people are like, those are the bad rules ones. Those are the ones that you go on. Like, Ashina's bachelor at, sorry, she does like the night before her wedding last season. They went on a catamaran. remember Lala being the good person that she was decided that she would go on the catamaran because she's a friend. And they were like on that boat and they were basically like underwater the entire time. Yeah. Well, there you go.
Starting point is 00:39:37 Catamaran's we have known and seen on Bravo. Yeah. So Meredith is, so Angie makes a joke the joke like well with this tension to date I wouldn't be surprised if someone slept with the fishes. That is what the mafia does right? Yeah Because I am owning and playing with this Greek mafia By the way in the van also notably Monica was shaving her legs. I'm putting it that out there
Starting point is 00:40:08 because that is the sort of thing that someone will say. I can't believe you didn't mention the fact that Monica was shaving her legs in the van on the way of the boat. So it has been mentioned and noted. Yeah, she said, this is reminiscent of the Holidays. So then they get on the boat and meet Jameson who God blesses heart. I think he's
Starting point is 00:40:30 Camerashine. I'm not really sure what's up with Jameson But wait was this the guy was this a really awkward guy with the arms? He was like hello ladies Well, some I mean even the people who are the under five roles are extremely I mean, even the people who are the under five roles are extremely awkward community theater actors on the show. I just love the consistency across the board. He's like, welcome to the catamaran. I'm Jameson. I'm going to show you different ways that you can do. I think we will do things on the water.
Starting point is 00:40:58 It's just Angie Harrington and a mask. It's just just in full, you know, magic. I'm not magic of like the make of prosthetics or magic. So, everyone's like on and getting on the boat. Everyone's doing a group photo without Meredith. And Meredith is just sitting there saying, you know, after last night, I was hoping to have fun with my friends,
Starting point is 00:41:21 but it's very clear that everyone is trying to ice me out. So I am on an island and I don't mean Burmuda. I am completely alone. What I'm trying to say is the metaphor when you see someone say someone says, when someone says they're on an island, much like on Survivor, it's a metaphorical way of saying you are alone amongst people. Do you understand what my joke was? I clarified this further.
Starting point is 00:41:45 I made a funny So then Heather's like wait, what is this? I thought you said it was a yacht and Lisa said oh So then Heather's like, wait, what is this? I thought you said it was a yacht and Lisa said, oh man, it's like a super sex strong boat. It's like a catamaran, it's like, ah, that's a definition of a, definition of a catamaran. I thought it was so, super sex strong boat, catamaran, now and also, also evidence that we're watching Salt Lake City
Starting point is 00:42:22 and not like real housewives of Beverly Hills, is at the The cat him ran was called the Zara and I was like I mean I tried I was like it's the zero votes Just like why not just call it Hollister or something no kitty What someone that Teresa does ads for now? Not T-Moo. That's a someplace. She's on the S-S-C-M.
Starting point is 00:42:52 The both come to see him. By the way, have you gotten suckered into T-Moo yet? Are they an advertiser? They're not. T-Moo before I start talking shit. I think, okay, I was gonna ask you, is the add T-Mu, the Emu Lemu. Oh, that's what it is.
Starting point is 00:43:07 Because you know what, that maybe Timu named themselves after those commercials gotten everybody's heads, because I was like, I've heard of Timu, I've heard the commercials. Timu, Timu, Timu, Timu. I think it is. Oh, and not as opposed to the Liberty Mutual Emu, the Emu Lemu. Oh, that's what it is. maybe Timu named themselves after those commercials, gotten everybody's heads, because I was like, I've heard of Timu, I've heard the commercials. Timu, Timu. Because I love that song.
Starting point is 00:43:32 I love a short song that's just right to the point. It doesn't make you sing all day. It's just like a quick. Timu, Timu. And so I was like, oh, this is a totally reputable site. And they've got a lot of things that are cute for $5. So I bought some stuff on there the other day. I, you know, it was just the link I clicked on while shopping.
Starting point is 00:43:51 And it looked cheesy because you have to like spin a wheel. You know one of those, like a pop up. And you have to like spin the wheel. They're like, see what kind of discount you get. Okay. Your email address and your phone number and your social security number and then you get a discount. I'm like, my mother's my name. And so I want to download that wheel. And you have to download the app. I was like, this seems so shady, but this stuff is so cheap.
Starting point is 00:44:16 And plus I've heard the, and I bought stuff. And then later I looked up his history. And I bought stuff and then later I looked up his history and I was going to ask you if you remember this site Emu, but you're saying it was the liberty mutual Who knows if I'm gonna get any of this shit Yeah, TEM you and this is not like cloaked advertising everybody please don't go get robbed I don't know if it's legit or not and also don't sue me TEMU because I'm not saying that you're gonna rob me I don't know I literally don't know. it's legit or not. And also don't sue me, Timu, because I'm not saying that you're gonna rob me. I don't know. I literally don't know. It's just asking for fights.
Starting point is 00:44:50 You know what? I tried to type it in and I got a search result of someone named Timu Salan, who's a Finnish eye-socky winger. And honestly, it's a good idea. Oh my god, I just won $100 in coupons. I hit the jackpot.
Starting point is 00:45:05 I want $100 coupon bundle at teamoo.com. Okay, I'm on teamoo. Oh my god. Okay, I'm seeing lots of t-shirts that, okay, Ronnie, this website is offensive. Okay, I go on to teamoo. I'm seeing a wall of t-shirts. One thing says to do, and then colon.
Starting point is 00:45:27 Big spelled out. To-do lists. Okay, to-do, like, I'm wearing a t-shirt that says, here's my to-do list, colon. The next line, your mom, but your mom is scratched out. Like, that's been done. I fucked your mom. That's the site that you just took me to. This one that says,
Starting point is 00:45:48 I think it reads your history and then it gives you results based on your maturity level because I have jackets, watch bams, one of those massage, I love massagers. Mine is like Mago stuff. There's one that's like, that's an American flat with L- That's what I'm searching for.
Starting point is 00:46:06 I just spent many hours researching Lucruce versus Stobb Dutch oven and the fact that that's this is what team we pulls out of it. It's fucked. That is fucked. Okay. Oh, geez, wait.
Starting point is 00:46:20 Wait, I love that. Why do we, are we, it's T-E-M-U? Yeah. Why is my wait, are we as TEMU? Yeah. Why is my stuff all like bro dad, you need to do it. Yeah, you need to really clean up your circus. Wait, maybe I'm on the wrong. And I know this has meant for me because I've got one that says a drone with an HD camera
Starting point is 00:46:38 because I love that. So I haven't bought one yet but I really wanna get a little helicopter thing. I love those. You know, I'm scared of them because I remember there was some teenage boy who had one, and he like didn't fly it right, and like the propeller sliced his neck open and he died. Oh, for fuck's sake. I mean, anything can kill you.
Starting point is 00:46:55 Well, yeah, am I right? I'm still ordering it. Okay. If nothing else, it sounds like I've probably had it come in. I'm going to get one. This site is, I don't, I don't. Funny, decent. Not ornaments.
Starting point is 00:47:14 Okay, we should probably move on. We are now shot, we're now doing a bonus. But this is by the way, by the way, yeah, this this cat of my answer been called Timo. Yeah, this is like the team. Oh So they're out there they're on the they're on this catamaran. What needs like Whitney who does not want her sexiness talked about okay continue Ben don't exploit Don't exploit my vagina for your catamaran
Starting point is 00:47:41 So oh my god, it's a poll and then Whitney starts swinging, that's what I thought you were going to say. Whitney starts swinging around a pole. And that's a really good staircase to go downstairs to the bar and she's pole dancing on it, which is fine. I mean, it also includes a pole, you know? It's not unlike what she does when she goes into Zara. So, then Heather's looking at birds. She's like, oh, look at that. It's not unlike what she does when she goes in Tzara. So, then Heather's looking at birds. She's like, oh, look at that. It's a long tailed berm. You do me in fence or something.
Starting point is 00:48:10 And then she sits down, Heather sits down in Meredith and goes, okay, Meredith, right now, let me just give it to you straight, okay? Because I don't want you to ever look at me on to say, the ultimate betrayal. We have a real friendship. And I too was blindsided last night. They all think that you're creating a fake account and sending direct messages.
Starting point is 00:48:28 I am not. I am not doing that. It's a while. Well, they think that you're giving Monica all this stuff in DMs and then like conveniently calling her to tell her to go look at her DMs. I mean, that is what is what's what's, oh, put that? Is it convenient? What's happening? Is it? I'm not, I am not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not doing, I'm just listening. I, and Heather said, well, the issue is also like, you didn't have a reaction last night. Well, I am trying to process this because there's a lot of elements here. I don't know, a lot of them are not adding up. It's kind of like Brooksley's little toy chance. A lot of things are there and a lot of elements here and a lot of them are not adding up. It's kind of like, brooks these little toys here. A lot of things are there and a lot of things are scattered around the floor and you're not
Starting point is 00:49:11 going to get dinner until you pick it all up. You know what I'm saying? I mean, you know, this show really makes you nuts. First, they just keep coming at merit. There's not coming at merit. I don't want to make her a big victim. But there's so much fighting that it makes merit with crazy enough that she has to take a benzo
Starting point is 00:49:30 to even be with these people, okay? But then she takes the benzo and then they're like, why aren't you reacting? Because you made it to the point where I had to take so many drugs, I can't react. Like, it's not fair. You can't hold the drug addiction you gave me against me in an argument about DMs
Starting point is 00:49:47 So I say I Didn't Matt DM her about Angie. I didn't Matt accused Angie of being in the mafia In fact, I told her a story about them. I f you and she planted there So now we finally get like Meredith's side of the whole thing. She gives a whole monologue about her experience with Monica and all these things. So she's like, well, on our flight back from Palm Springs,
Starting point is 00:50:15 then maybe, then maybe, then maybe, then maybe, Meredith, you don't have to do that. We're gonna do that, man. Sorry, that's actually Brooks is little nighttime lullaby. You didn't even do it. You didn't even do it. You didn't even do it. So she's like, all right, well, on our flight back,
Starting point is 00:50:36 do do do do. Monica and I sat next to each other and she is starting going about all these rumors and gossip about Angie, which makes sense because Monica got mad at Angie decided she's gonna turn on her immediately now When Angie is the one who's her connection to the show. I mean it was Gen Shaw technically But Angie was like her friend on the show normally it takes a year or two for a new real housewife to betray that friend But Monica just did it like the first group trip. She's like fuck her.
Starting point is 00:51:08 So of course Monica got on the plane. This makes sense that she would get on the plane and try to poison the well against Greece. The motive is there and Meredith was angry at Angie because Angie like crashed the trip. So Meredith goes, then a few weeks ago, I went to lunch with Monica. D- did it do did it do did it do After our lunch we were on chit chatting and I said it's so funny cuz I have my friend told a story that a venue
Starting point is 00:51:36 Adore to down have been run by the Greek mafia I'm not gonna name names, but if you were to see me of our dola's coming out of there, I would not make eye contacts. Monica, I was thinking, and she's a partner, man, and I said, I am no idea. Okay, well, doesn't that sound like, okay, well, here we are. Oh my gosh, isn't that funny?
Starting point is 00:52:00 That place used to be run by the Greek mafia. Angie's Greek, you think she's part of the Greek mafia? I don't know. That's exactly what I'm like to me. 100%. That is exactly, exactly, exactly right. And you know, these fucking tricky ass editors, would they have footage of this day they went to lunch?
Starting point is 00:52:16 Do we get to see it? No, we just see a little bit to, we know they have footage because we see the footage, but we don't hear anything. They don't show us any lines from this, except I'm saying cheers then they keep cutting away. So hopefully they're planning on using this at some point because they were following them when this all went down, right? So we see them walking through the little town and then Meredith continues, chill or three
Starting point is 00:52:40 weeks, land, I receive all sorts of documents and stuff. We had them and they're managing and they're all tying back to things that she told me in the little town. They're really mean. They're mean. Meredith, we're not doing that. We're not showing that. Where are you showing the crap? Meredith, here take Meredith. Shh. So I thought it was really weird to begin with, so I called her up and I said, ow! And I just stepped on a plane, a bill that bruxly left out.
Starting point is 00:53:16 Sorry about that. Why wouldn't I ask her, and can't you get this too? You all right? So then she said, you know, by the way, makes total sense. I think this entire story actually tracks and is, this story, 100% moved the needle for me and I came out of it believing that Meredith did not send the DMs.
Starting point is 00:53:38 And I just have to make this announcement, too. Yes, Meredith came to see a show in Salt Lake City. Like yes, we met Meredith. She was very nice. She was very lovely. Her and Seth are very lovely. I don't care. I'll still come make fun of somebody or call them wrong every single day. And you guys know that that's the fucking truth. Are people interested in starts with that? Yeah, this is not biased. I legitimately am like, that makes sense. Now do I think Meredith is a gossip who wants to bring down Angie? Of course. Do I think she loved talking about Angie's bankruptcies with Monica, who is bringing them up in the first place to ruin Angie? Of course. I think she fucking loved it.
Starting point is 00:54:15 Do I think that she saw in Monica somebody that she could bring people down together with because that's her hobby? Sure do. But I'm not buying this whole story that, oh my God, evil Meredith was telling this poor innocent new girl all this stuff and the sending her evidence and that I don't buy that thing. This story totally tracks. And Monica is such an unreliable witness. Also for anyone who's accusing us of bias because Meredith came to our show.
Starting point is 00:54:42 Like also, even if there were bias, like, honestly, who cares? We are not in like the set, like the appellate court of like the second division of whatever the United States. This is not a court of law. This is a podcast that we're talking about a TV show. And we're allowed to take sides. We're allowed to be influenced by people,
Starting point is 00:54:58 including listeners. Like, we could be biased by what a listener thinks. We could be biased by knowing someone. Like, I really don't care about bias. And when it comes to talk about this stuff, it's all fun and silly. So let me have my opinions no matter how I get to them. Well, I just want you up.
Starting point is 00:55:13 I love that. I'm a little spinning man. Well, I'm sick of it. I'm sick of when people say that. Why don't you be more objective? I'm like, it's a podcast. Like I'm supposed to have an opinion. I got you all upset, but no one really accused us of that.
Starting point is 00:55:25 The reason I'm saying it is because I feel like, I just feel like reading comments, like a lot of people are like, oh my God, Meredith, obviously guilty. And I feel like normally I could see how that would be the case. I'm just, in this instance, I'm just not buying it. To me, it just seems too convenient that Meredith who's already been accused of doing this secret shady DM stuff, she's trying to come back from that. I don't see why
Starting point is 00:55:50 she would immediately start doing it badly again. I just, it's too convenient. Yeah. And again, Monica has proven to be an unreliable narrator about certain things. And so I think that Meredith's explanation makes full sense. And Monica is really good at twisting the truth. Monica is just of that category of house. So I've that we see many, many times where I don't think that she is lying. I think that she hears a version of the truth
Starting point is 00:56:21 and interprets it in one way. And so she's telling what she thinks is the truth. She's not like actively lying. I think like Tamara does this. Others do it. I can't think of others off the top of my head, but like it's a pretty common trope. There's like just certain personal types.
Starting point is 00:56:35 Enough truth that you can't say you liar because you did talk about this, but it was not in the intention that she's making it out to seem to make you love terrible. But she hears things that she, and if she hears what you want from she was the one who brought it here. And it gets like warped and twisted and then she regurgitated sound as if it were fact and it's like, no, it never says, maybe she heard that wrong or maybe she's interpreting
Starting point is 00:56:55 this wrong and she's just one of those housewives that does that. So Meredith tells Heather, you know why I called her when I got that DM, because the DM referenced a bunch of stuff that you'd already sent to me. And that's why I called her. And did it, did it, did it, did it, did it, did it, did it, did it, did it, and we're now coming back to present, by the way, that was what that was about. So this also explains Meredith's reaction or non-reaction to Monica in general. When Monica brought this up, when Meredith was shit-faced, I mean, could you be more specific, but the night that they got back, Monica's like, so, remember, when we were talking about,
Starting point is 00:57:37 and by the way, did you remember this DMs we were talking about? When she brought all this stuff up on camera, Meredith was just kind of like, wow, this girl's really going to bring all this stuff up on camera, Meredith was just kind of like, wow, this girl's really gonna bring all this stuff up on camera, there was that reaction to it. And then when she was saying it in front of everybody else to throw Meredith under the bus, I think Meredith was kind of frozen there like, what is this girl doing?
Starting point is 00:57:58 And like, what am I supposed to do in retaliation to this? Because if I start screaming and yelling, I'm gonna look guilty. So I'm gonna have to figure out what the fuck this girl's trying to do in retaliation to this because if I start screaming and yelling, I'm going to look guilty. So I'm going to have to figure out what the fuck this girl's trying to do before I do anything, right? And also if she is that calculating, you know, this was her first clue where she saw and went, Oh, so that's what she's doing. I need to find out who this girl is because if the accusations are true, because they made
Starting point is 00:58:23 the accusation again last week, something well, one of her friends already went to federal prison, meaning Meredith's friends. So they're already making that insinuation again that it is Meredith, his calling people and getting them thrown in jail and doing all this research on people and doing this, this and this. If that is true, Meredith just in that moment got her little glimpse of, oh, I need to research this girl. Here I was, thinking this was someone on my side, what's going on with this crazy pants? So yeah, that's a new little layer. So Heather's like, at this point, I don't know who to believe, except my publisher who says the book is selling like gangbusters. It seems like Monica hasn't told us the full story.
Starting point is 00:59:06 Much like my book, which is a full story, but Meredith's history with DMs and digging up dirt isn't making her look good either. What do I do? So Meredith goes, well I'm going to have to deal with more Nicole. Hey everyone, so this is a two part recap, so we're going to pause this right here because it's going long. Thanks for listening, we appreciate you so much and keep an eye and an ear out for part two coming up very shortly on your podcast feed.
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