Watch What Crappens - #2284 Brav Bros RHOSLC Pre-Reunion Crossover Event

Episode Date: January 8, 2024

We join forces with Steel and Shooter from the Brav Bros to discuss what might be coming up on the RHOSLC three part reunion and the current state of our mutual love, Bravo. Subscribe to the guys wherever you get your podcasts, follow them on Insta @brav_bros and grab tickets for their first live show in NYC on January 25. While you're at it, grab tickets to our next live show, the 2024 Golden Crappies Live from The Palace Theater in Los Angeles Feb 17! Find tickets and links to our Patreon bonus episodes and Crappens On Demand Video Recaps at watchwhatcrappens.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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You handsome, busted. I'm feeling much better. Thank you, everyone, for the concern. I attempted to put myself on vocal rest over the weekend, but of course I wound up chattering away because that's my nature, but I am feeling a lot better. I'm still like a little stuffed, but it's one of those things you know in a cold

where like, you know, when you're stuffed and you're coughing, but you feel fine. So I'm at that stage and I apologize anyone if a cough escapes and I cough directly into your ears, I apologize. I'm like gonna try really hard to mute myself. Okay. Well today is a very good game. Well, you know, that's a lot of information.

I've been my cough at you. Yeah. Today is a very special episode. We are talking to the Brawf Bros. Who I've been calling the Brawf Bros. Because like honestly, who reads anymore? You know what I mean? Like who puts letters together properly anymore?

Once I get something in my head, it just stays that way for years and that's what happened with those two. Those guys so talented, fun, really cool guys, that's coming up in a moment. But first, we finally have an announcement. The golden crappies. Did you think we just were gonna quit

doing the Golden Crappies because Bravo tried to out-crap us on their own network? Oh no. Oh no, then take it away. Okay, everyone, here is the news. Okay, the 2024 Golden Crappies are going to happen on February 17th in Los Angeles again this year. Okay, it's gonna happen at the Palace Theater in downtown Los Angeles and the basically here is what you

need to know. Tickets are going on sale Wednesday January 10th at 10 a.m. local, which I believe means 10 a.m. Pacific time, but you know, I don't know what local means. Maybe that means 10 a.m. local, which I believe means 10 a.m. Pacific time, but you know, I don't know what local means maybe that means 10 a.m. for everyone's time zones, try it, see what you can do. But the point is tickets are on sale January 10th Wednesday, however, If you are a Patreon member, you are going to have access to tickets. You may already have access to tickets We are doing a Patreon pre-sale Monday, today Monday January that starts at 1 p.m. local. Or you may have already started,

not sure when this is going up. And it's going to continue until 10 p.m. Tuesday, January 9th. If you don't buy your tickets before 10 p.m., you're gonna have to wait for the general on sale. So that's all the news. I mean, it's exciting. And we're really, we're really, really excited

to do this show, the crappies. It's been a wild year on Braavos, ever since the crappies. I kind of think like the crappies were like the end of innocence because ever since the crappies, we had scandival, we had reality vantes, we've had everything, everything. So let's celebrate the year that was come join us in Los Angeles February 17th

Palace theater. Yes, and crap and bio and it Lincoln are our website Yes, I yeah on Instagram website whatever go there Lincoln bio or on watch your crap and there's a ticket link right there For what else to come? The watch will crap is ticket link, not go up until Wednesday. So it's right now, it's only on Patreon. Also I forgot what my also is. So who cares? Okay, everybody.

Oh, crappy hours back this week, which is on Instagram live, follows on Instagram because that is where we ask your help with nominating things or what your ideas for nominations etc. Are so participate won't you also crappy hours our live show where we talk to you every other Monday 5 30 Pacific time And that's what we're doing tonight, okay? If you're not listening to this on Monday January 8th You can still listen to the audio or watch the video on crap and it's on demand on patreon. Okay. That's enough advertising or shit These guys we have been hearing about these guys for a really long time video on crap and on demand on Patreon. Okay, that's enough advertising or shit. These guys, we have been hearing about these guys for a really long time.

I mean, they splashed on the scene. I see them all the time. They're social people. People are great, by the way. I don't even know who's doing that. If they do that themselves, we should have asked them that. That's not they're here and or there. It's probably not to talk about on the show.

But, you know, I watched them on the TikTok, okay? That's where I discovered them. We're all the youth discover things. And so I've been watching their opinions for a long time on TikTok, and you guys have been asking us to talk to them to meet with them. And finally, we fucking did it.

I mean, my God, let's not wait any longer. Now, here we are with Steel and Shooter of the Brawl Bros. Can you tell this and why don't you? Thanks for being here, we'll be waiting. Enjoy the show. All right, here we are with Shooter and Steel. Hello, boys. Hey, how's it going guys? We're bad and Ronnie for your listeners.

I mean, I know us. I'm Ben. Ah, Dan and Lonnie, what's it going guys? We're good. We're bad and Ronnie for your listeners. I mean, I know us. I'm Ben. Oh, Dan and Lonnie, what's up, dudes? Yeah. Thank you. I'm Edie. And you know what else? I've been calling you Bravo Bros.

How long have you guys been around? Two years? Three years now. But that's time because everybody calls us Brav Bros. Bravo Bros. Brav Boys. Bravo Boys. It's pretty much any variation.

We're just gonna have to trademark them all just to make sure they're all clear across the board. You got a shot. Are you guys out of bravo boys? We're not each other. We're not each other. We're not each other. We're not each other.

We're not each other. We're not each other. We're not each other. We're not each other. We're not each other. We're not each other. We're not each other. We're not each other.

We're not each other. We're not each other. We're not each other. We're not each other. We're not each other. We're not each other. We're not each other. We're not each other. TikTok so you don't start your TikToks off like hey Bro that just starts with whatever you're talking about and you know So congratulations to you guys you guys have been killing it and you know at some point You got to leave the house and meet the neighbors. I mean, what the hell? How have we not reached out or gotten to know each other yet?

Let's have a beer, bro. Well, you know, it's one of those things, like we get consistently not compared. I think that we're your straight counterparts according to a lot of our listeners. We get a lot of that. It's like, watch your crap and it's a straight guy. I'm like, I'll take that.

I think more so, you know, seeing you guys at the top of the charts frequently, it's a little daunting to reach out to people sometimes. So I was like, I'll just wait, you know, buy my time and then when everything started happening and we heard the shout out on your show, which thank you guys very much. And I thought, maybe we should reach out

and see if they'd be interested in a collab. But we're huge fans of yours, obviously. We've been listening to you guys for a while they'd be interested in a collab. But we're huge fans of yours, obviously. We've been listening to you guys for a while. We reference you guys a lot. So the fact that you wanted to have us on is incredible. So thank you guys so much for the opportunity to chat with you today. Oh my God, yeah, of course.

And you know what? You guys have achieved the real dream, which is that you had some sort of impact on a TV show. Like, which way, who was the husband or boyfriend who was on your show that they referenced in the flashback on that episode? Chris Bassett. Right, Chris Bassett.

See you guys, you guys made it into a flashback reference of like, of like tablet gossip. That's like the dream we've never been able to do that. Yeah, so we honestly, we heard from Bravo over the summer that we were gonna be featured and they had to sign all the release forms, make sure that we heard from Bravo over the summer that we were going to be featured and they had to sign all the release forms, make sure that we can see our faces and everything. I thought it would have been funnier if we were blurred out and they just showed Chris past it out there, but obviously we want to show our faces out there. And we

weren't sure when it was going to happen. And then obviously we're, you know, six, seven episodes into the season, the season's kind of dragging along, we're getting kind of bored. And we're like, are we ever going to be in this show as they said over the summer? And it just kind of happened. And neither of us really, we tend to not watch live anyway. We watch on Kika next day because we can't stay in commercials. So we'll wait. And then all of a sudden, you're better than us blowing up. That is a straight guy of you, by the way. Oh, you know, the other thing is. You know, the other thing is, you're the fucking commercial like commercials.

Especially Sunday night too, because there's football on. So we're watching football on Sunday night. Okay. Okay. football on so we're watching football. Okay, okay. And then we'll watch our bravo the next day, but our phones start blowing up Sunday night. And then obviously you guys mentioned us on Monday, which I thought was such a funny clip, because again, you called us the bravo bros. But that's how things work. That's when people call me scooter and slewder, whatever the hell you want to say, anything

that rides the shooter usually works, that and Bravo Bros. they go synonymous. It's perfect. Well, I intro every show with a new nickname for Shooter, like last night I was rooting toot and scooting the gluten. So you can do it any very, as long as it's close to Shooter, you can call him whatever you want. It's kind of fun. Basically like a dog. If it rhymes with my name, I'll respond. Yeah.

No, I mean, yeah, that's, it's like a blank canvas, you know. Shooter is definitely a name that I feel like works really well for like a straight guy podcast. I think if it was on a gay podcast it would have a whole other situation going on. Yeah, it could have a different meeting, good shirt. Yeah. It's my user name on Grindr. Oh, I'm sorry. Another dream that you guys have accomplished is when you Google you, something comes up that's like, they're straight in all caps from Bravo and Blaze, a post when you guys did it for a friend. You make sure everybody knows, all right?

Just so you know, for sure, we made sure the first thing is these dudes just dream. Like that's hilarious. I mean, it's also my dream. I just want someone to be like, he's straight! But like in the gayest all caps ever. He's the name. Name this episode, that, and then people start saying. That's okay.

We can do that. So we have joined forces today really for something that's like bigger than all of us, which is the state of the union for Salt Lake City. Like Salt Lake City had such a huge, huge finale last week that even the esteemed Jennifer Lawrence last night at the Golden Globes told our entertainment tonight that started talking about the finale,

started saying receipts, proof, timelines, screenshots. She started doing the whole thing. It's, this thing is like bursting at the seams about to take, it's like, it's about to get to that next level where people who don't watch Housewives are gonna start asking us questions about it. So, but it does ask a very important question, which is what is the state of the Salt Lake City housewives?

What do we think is gonna happen at the reunion? What do we think the future is for Monica and the women? There's just so many pressing questions and it required a summit. I completely agree. It was astounding to watch a transpire and it's one of those things that I was nervous about because we had so much build up last year about

the black eye and Jen Shaw and all that nonsense. And we get to the end of the season and the big reveal doesn't happen. It was just all this build up for nothing and to focus around the storyline like that for so long. I was so, I thought that the reveal at the end of this season was gonna be what we've already seen. And that's that Monica sued Heather for botch lip injections.

And that's the big thing. I think everybody was kind of going that route because we get teed up a bravo frequently where we're like, oh, here comes the big reveal. And it's this massive letdown. So for this to hit and not only hit with one thing, but with they dropped the black eye in there out of nowhere in the perfect way, because we had talked previously. If they bring up the stupid black eye and that's the big reveal as well, I'm going to be

furious, but to drop it in there like a little cherry on top after outing reality vantes was just cinema. It was cinema. That was physical abuse. Not only that, but abuse. Not only that, but abuse. It was just it was perfect. The way that they did it was perfect to watch Heather have this comeback season after her disaster last year trying to defend Jen. Oh, man. Pitchy has this last year. That and really so because like you said, they not only dragged that on forever, they dragged it through the entire three-part reunion

of two, and we'd never found out who gave her that damn black eye, and then she was so tricky about it. She's like, well, that, you know, first it was like I forgot, and then she was like, we all know, and then you can guess. I was like, you can't, I don't think you can do that with black eyes, right?

No, that's what you got. And then she took it over to Girl's Tripp. It even went to a whole other franchise. And it became a storyline over there too. And by the time it was on Girl's Tripp, I was like, I am done with this. This is a very annoying storyline. Let's never see it again.

Yeah, we were done with it, honestly, in the moment, and we could not get past it. It got to the point where we were even blaming that stick tree that was in her room, saying saying that maybe she just got drunk and she walked into the street and turned the eye and she's really embarrassed. So she doesn't want to tell anyone about it. So she's making up this whole storyline. I mean, it was brutal, but I want to ask you guys because we get a lot of comments. I had a theory about, you know, whether or not Bravo knew about reality volunteers and modicers association. There were a lot of people that commented

on it and said, we knew this week's before. We knew the Monica was associated with it. Seal and I try to, obviously, we have to report on the news when it comes out, but we try to block out some of that because at the end of the day, it's entertainment and we don't want spoilers. If it's a drama series, I'm watching, say, any of the shows that I really liked, and somebody spoiled it before I got a chance to watch it, I'd be pissed. It wouldn't hit the same way. So I tried to actively oblige that. How do you guys navigate those waters when it comes down to the rumors that are flying around before a finale? Specifically the rumors and the nastiness. So I'm a little bit more like you. I kind of want to enjoy the show. Like the show that they've created that they've you. I kind of want to enjoy the show. Like the show that they've created, that they've edited,

I kind of want to enjoy what they, that, and just like take it on, and then maybe I'll look at gossip afterwards. But like, it's not a game of thrones. So like, I'm okay to like, I'm okay to look at gossip. I don't know if I seek it out really intensely, but like, you know, I'll see it around, and I'll maybe follow some things.

If I get really whipped up about a topic, I will then do lots of Googling, but usually, I'm like you, I kind of like, I just sort of like to go with the flow and see what happens. But Ronnie, Ronnie is much more involved. Oh, I have nothing to do. Like I literally don't do anything. I went to Home Goods today before the show and I'm literally exhausted.

Okay, I'm so tired. I carried him like one tiny little lamp. I don't even need. That's like all I did. I'll talk about that all week, my experience there. So for me, Home Goods trips are taxing. Okay, you look at multiple items. You're like, will this fit in there?

Do I want it in there? Maybe not. They will come back for it. I can't think of a measuring tape. I was like, yeah, because I don? Do I want it in there? Maybe not. We'll come back for it. I can't go back with a measuring tape. I was like, yeah, because I don't have a sense of scale like that. Well, then you have to go back and get a cart because you have 15 things in your hands. I didn't want a cart in the first place. I didn't get a cart.

That goes through. It did. It is not a shot. It's a shot. You got to pick up the shot. It's a shot. You got to pick up the shot. You got to pick up the shot.

You got to pick up the shot. You got to pick up the shot. You got to pick up the shot. You got to pick up the shot. You got to pick up the shot. You got to pick up the chotch, he's a check out. Of course, he has to think about this lamp. Do I need this? I don't need this. Like, this is my lamp, we're on video if anybody needs it. Wow, I love that lamp. You know, I think it's cute, but. Yeah, like a little art, I don't need it. It doesn't really go with anything. Anyway, the point is, I have no life, okay?

I'm gonna stare at this lamp and just be proud of this. I have a lamp that's also. I'm like gonna be so proud of this lamp. But I don't do anything. And so I lay in bed. lie in bed, lie in bed. And I would say I looked at that up the other day, the difference between lie and lay. Because that's how little I do. Lay is actually the past tense, right? Is that a thing?

Like if you lay something down as an object, like I lay down this gigantic, um, super size thing of trident on the desk, but I lie down. So anyway, I don't do anything. So I get really obsessed. I mean, it goes back to the days of like Yolanda on Beverly Hills with her Lyme's disease and people questioning that I know everything about the difference between Lyme and Chronic Lyme, the dates of her post of when she was in a bikini and when she was, I mean, every, I follow all that shit. I love the conspiracy part of it. But even I didn't know about the bravo, or not bravo in place. Sorry, bravo in place. Hi. But I didn't know about the reality one cheese thing until I think two weeks before when

until I think two weeks before when the assistant posted it. Gens, a sit Marilo posted it, which I thought was really shitty Marilo. Okay, like I get that you're on Gensai, but they did such a good job of keeping the shit secret on the show, which is so rare for housewives and to be spoiled by you. Your little clutch stealer. I was glad I missed that entirely.

So I was not spoiled by that, but I was a little spoiled about the black eye, only because Andy Cohen had said, I want to happen's live, that there would be an answer about the black eye later in the season. And I hadn't even seen Andy say that, but then of course, people started posting that clip

like tonight's night, we're gonna find out. So I think on some level, I was kind of prepared for that reveal. I went ahead, there was teaming up for it. I could sense it coming. And it was still great when it landed, but man, I could only imagine how amazing it would have been to just not have expected it whatsoever.

Let me tell you, it was amazing. It was incredible when she dropped things. I had no clue. And as far as that Marulogai goes, he's driving me crazy. Like the cloud chasing that's happening right now on the tail end of this whole thing is annoying. It's irritating. He's doing 16 interviews trying to give his two cents.

It's like, look, we get what you're doing. You're not doing this to vindicate Jen Shaw. You've been this for your 15 minutes of fame And it's getting kind of annoying and to your point It drives me nuts when people reveal stuff I get that that's part of being you know in the Bravo game like these Bravo sloths out there like to uncover all this crazy Information and sometimes it's interesting, but sometimes It takes away from the show like you don't get this amazing reveal at the end of the season that this is one of the best finales in Bravo history period. And you don't get that if people start to spoil stuff. And I don't understand, I guess it comes back to cloud chasing, but to see that all happen organically

because I didn't do any digging. And I don't do as much. Shooter will keep an ear to it, like just a temperature as to what's going on as far as like the chatter happening. I really don't. I try to keep myself sequestered in a bubble, not a duret bubble, a much nicer bubble. That I can... Yeah, no, no, no. Can we check on the moment on the pool, by the way? Yeah, we'll love bubble. I'm in truth. We shoot on our own little love bubble, but by doing that it makes these shows so much more

enjoyable to watch because that reveal was Electric that whole moment Heather the winds blowing her hair. Do I think it took multiple takes? I do I don't think that was all organic like Meredith's reactions are Already the best but in this moment where she's like, why do they keep doing this to us? I was like, how much rise did that take? It's time for commercial. It's time for a crapance commercial. Being an actual royal is never about finding your happy ending, but the worst part is, if they step out of line or fall in love with the wrong person,

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How dare you? You guys are like, this is so scripted. This is the improv community theater. Of course, it's the scripted in their head, but I don't even think they stop. I don't think they're like, you know what? Let's do that again. I think they literally just improvise for 20 hours. They just cut it down to something that is good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Everything Whitney does. Like, every time Whitney talks, it is definitely the product of like 20 hours of improvisation edited down for TV.

That's actually a good point too, because if you're thinking, I'm going to have to go back and rewatch because when it started, the sun was barely setting and by the time they were done, I think it was pretty dark on the beach. So yeah, they were probably out there for an hour and a half, two hours just kind of filing through and trying to get the best reaction shots. Yeah. Did anyone watch the finale a second time or just like have like a like a victory lap with the finale because I definitely did Saturday night and I put up a poll on my Instagram because I was bored and being like frenzied and I was like who else is watching this tonight

and 75% said yes. I've definitely watched like on TikTok which I do all the time. I'll just watch 15 to 20 minutes of a show that I've already watched. And I did that maybe four or five different times with Salt Lake. Yeah. So I think that counts. The reactions on TikTok have been actually so incredibly fun watching what people have been doing with the show, like what parts take off.

You know, there was one guy who was kind of doing like this undulating dance to like receipts proof timeline. He was like receipts. Timeline, I was kind of amazing. I watched like 10 times. I think the more interesting thing is what you referenced earlier with Jennifer Lawrence and we're seeing something happen now that we haven't seen since Skandival and hadn't seen until Skandival happened where it's starting to extend past the Bravo universe and now we're just getting into popular culture.

And that's when it gets really fun. I mean, like you said, there's going to be a million people coming to us now like, hey, what about this? I just heard about this. Should I watch the show blah, blah, blah. But I like generating this kind of buzz around Bravo because it only helps everybody involved with Bravo content creators, Bravo itself. It only pushes everybody involved with Brava content creators, Bravo itself. It only pushes it further.

So I love when popular culture gets involved as a whole because they see funny stuff come out like the TikToks and you see celebrities referencing different things and making reference to the actual show, quoting the show. There's something about the community growing, like past just our normal people that we discussed this with that makes it more entertaining. And I think that what I'm nervous about is because this was such a successful finale, and because this hits so well, I want them to be able to replicate this in an organic way throughout the other shows. And I don't know, like, this is set the bar for me, and maybe that's not

a good thing, but this is what I want from finalys. Now, I want my jaw on the floor. I want to be taken aback. I don't think Potomac has that kind of star power. I don't think they can deliver that kind of finale. I don't think a lot of these shows can right now. And that's what makes me just a little bit nervous that Bravo now has this formula where it's like, wow, this was fucking great. We need to redo this somehow, push the narrative a little too hard.

And then we see some other shows trying to hit that mark and not quite getting their falling short. And instead of investigating further into what their drama is organically, trying to push harder to get this big reveal at the end of the season, that inevitably gets spoiled across the board. So it's, I'm a little wary moving forward because this was so good for me. That's just, you's just my brain. No, my brain. You know, this is like Jesus. You just have to have faith.

You're worried does not mean that Jesus is not going to still know how to turn water into wine. He's Jesus. That's what he does. It's not going to be the same, but they always come through. And like Potomac is one of those that this season we're all shitting on Potomac, I think, just not really as commentators, but as an audience, because they've lifted it so hot, they've lifted that bar so high, they're so funny, every season has been good. I mean, their weakest seasons have been good.

And then this season, it's just like, it's kind of like a wet fart. I don't even like that word, but it's kind of like a web blanket with Farth on it. And it's frustrating. You're like, how are they not? They've got all the same things going on. They've got the same personalities mostly. What's the problem? And it's that there is nothing really fresh, you know? But there's no pedotmics. Yeah, I think fresh one., I think that's the biggest problem

when it comes to Potomac versus Salt Lake. I think the reason that Salt Lake hits so well is because at least the core four are pretty close. And reality vantes did do them dirty. So they had a common interest when it came out that Monica was behind it. So they could all feel scoring together. So we felt that a little bit more as an audience.

Like Steele was just saying with Potomac, they're not friends. They don't hang out with each other outside of the show. We get a couple of clips of them. Maybe it's Ashley and Gisele by hang out here and there. But you don't have any of those core issues. There's not a lot that they have that's similar with each other. There's not a lot of commonalities. So when they're not on camera together, they don't really have anything in common. So we're not really seeing any of that. It's not organic. Everything is for the show. And we feel that as an audience, whereas Salt Lake, everybody felt what they felt,

that core four felt at the time on that beach. So that's why I feel like it hit a lot harder. But I think also, like Potomac right now, like what I think the biggest issue is that there is a really insurmountable divide that's happening, that's been caused by Giselle and Candace. Like they have like a real beef, That's like a real beef. I don't know how they would ever mend those issues. And having to film around that is very difficult. And when you have that in a group, it's just

it's hard. You know there are issues about not wanting to film with this person or that person. And with Salt Lake City, the reason I think why the twist also landed so well was because you had actually an excellent season leading up to it. You also had a twist that also answered something from a previous season, which is always a benefit. But I don't know if that finale would have been quite as good if the season had been shoddy, you know, but as it was, it was an amazing season that we're all invested in, and the finale was an outgrowth of it. It wasn't just like, oh, here was a one-off episode. Like, if we never had Anjan Meredith having a really silly feud all season long, then there

would not have been a story about Greek mafia DMs. And if there weren't Greek mafia DMs, then Heather might not have been kind of spooked by that. And then Heather might not have gone far to her investigation. So everything like the best seasons on Bravo, everything every episode grows out of the previous one and builds and builds and builds. And I think that's when that happens

that is truly lightning in a bottle. I don't know if Bravo can just like manufacture a twist. It does, you can't just like make them happen because they're real people's lives. But God, I hope they do, because it was great. Do you think that Bravo knew? Do you think Bravo knew? Okay, that's what I just wrote down.

Look, that's a very good question. That's a very good question. Well, people are saying that, yeah, I think they did too. We think that they knew ahead of time that Monica was behind it. Obviously, there's a couple different people, but Monica is going to be the head of that spear that she's the only one who can really do it. I think the Bravo knew, Steele's come around to it as well. I want to know what you guys think.

If you guys want to take a little deeper into that, since you just wrote it down in your notebook. Yeah, that was my next question to ask you. I do, because you had kind of brought that up earlier. I do think that they knew. And the reason is because they were sent, Jen sent a cease and desist to Monica, Koeh, and someone named Savannah Gonzalez allegedly. I saw that on Twitter. I was like, who's Miss Gonzalez?

So I spent an hour looking on Twitter. So I'm not Twitter, TikTok. And then I looked around. For after all goods. Yeah. Yes. That then I looked around. For our own goods. Yes. And that's why I had to go to home goods. I was like, give up Savannah Gonzalez. Get out of that.

He was sitting on a couch at home, but it's just going through all. But they do, Koeh and Monica do still follow the Savannah Gonzalez. So I was like, maybe it is, because that's not like a name you hear every day, you know? So anyway, I don't know who she is. I haven't figured that out yet. But the season to assist was to all of them. And it wasn't Monica Garcia, actually. I think it was Monica Fowler,

because you know, she's got like many different aliases. I mean, it was at least, but she's got a couple different names. Yeah, she's got a few. I mean, like 2021 is when that season the sister sent out. Is there any?

I mean, I am always. I have a different phone. Hello, boys. I'm always like, Mr. like naive or whatever. I think, well, I think it's possible. The Jen Shaw sent that off. And there's a season to assist. And no one, they may have seen it at one point.

No one thought anything of it beyond that. And I don't know, I think a lot of it's hard to... I had a gen not tell them. I mean, she worked for Jan. It was somebody coming for Jan and she released the video of COA. That's what the season deceased was for. It was that...

How did Gen-No, how did Gen-No, about reality vantes? I don't know. It's a good question. Maybe she saw the video and put two and two together that Monica would be the only one with access to it. Yeah, I mean, I think that there's- Or maybe Monica let it slip.

But Monica allegedly hacked into the system, right? No, Monica supposedly- Right, that's the reason. So, according to Marillo, Monica was the one who had those cameras installed in the office and she knew the password, so she didn't even have to hack. She worked very well. I guess. And this is, you know, who knows?

Who knows what's true because you can't really believe anybody on this show. I mean, the witnesses are Marillo, Tanisha, and who else is talking a lot, Khoa. So they've all got, they've all got, you know, a lot of reasons to say whatever and production, who believes production. Everyone said, well, production said that they. And production, who believes production? Everyone's like, well, production said that they didn't know. You believe production? It's probably production. Their job is to lie to your ass.

Yeah, well, the reason why, here's the only reason why I feel like production might not have known, because it does seem like production would know. But I actually feel like Bravo is really protective about their brand in terms of a certain, well, I was gonna say that they like the people on their shows to have a certain amount of wealth or whatever.

I mean, obviously Monica was not a wealthy cast member. Every day when they allow a poor on, but she was a sociologist Jen Shaw. I just, I feel like Monica, I don't feel like Bravo, the reason why I don't think Bravo would do this, or if they knew about it, what, that they would continue to go forward with it is that they could see a potential divide happening

and it would be an issue for the cast. And like it's just like bad, it might be bad, Drew Drew. I don't know, I just feel like I imagine corporate not being down to bring a troll on. They're already very,'t know, I just feel like I imagine corporate not being down to bring a troll on. They're already very, you know, interaction with Bravo already. They are very protective about their talent. And so I don't think that that-

Right, but just the counterpoint, corporate improduction are two different things. Well, that's fair. Production is not going to know what production is doing necessarily. That's fair. And I also think that it's not necessarily a negative that they did it. And I love diving into the comments now where people are like, this is insane. This is the downfall of Bravo. They're inviting these kinds of people in the show next thing.

You know, everyone's going to be infiltrating and blah, blah, blah, which is not true. But I think that they had to have known to a certain extent or maybe their angle was, all right, well, she's gonna have some dirt on Jen, so let's bring her on because she can push that narrative a little bit. I just find it hard to believe that if there was a cease and desist, if there was prior knowledge to this at all,

that Bravo is completely in the dark about reality vantes. I know they're claiming that they were, but to not even have an inkling that it might be her, and maybe that's all it was, maybe like, oh, maybe she is behind it, wouldn't it be fun if it comes out on the show? Like, there's a lot of different levels to it,

to which how much did they actually know? But I think that the idea that they had no clue, I don't know if I can get on board with that. Yeah. You know what's crazy to me is that, so Rod and I, we do an Instagram show every two weeks where we just talk about Bravo stuff and crappy hour. And I swear this is not actually just a plug,

not a blatant plug, but when we prepare for the show, we have like a shared photo sort of thing on like Apple. Apple. It's called an iCloud. I've got a S.K.S.T. of Steve's props. Steve's props. So there's like a Steve. It's called the iCloud. I can ask you if Steve was pro. So there's like,

Steve, so we have like, what will happen is a lot of times, like Ronnie will take screenshots on his phone and just put them on the clouds that way I can see them and be like, here, this is what I thought was interesting. So yesterday, I was going through it because I was like, I'm gonna add something today.

And as I was going through it, I saw that Ronnie had a screenshot from reality vantes in December. And this was where Meredith, the first day of the trip, where Meredith is like wasted and reality vantes like, regrams or retweets, a photo of Meredith kind of passed out and is like, or maybe it's Benzo's, whatever. And I was like,

ah! What's crazy is that like she, Monica was like continuing to troll the woman as reality vantes after she had been outed by them several months earlier. And I was like, this is kind of wild. Not only that, she actually, according to a TikTok, I saw. So there's the reality vantes to on Instagram, which to a TikTok, I saw. So there's the reality

vantes to on Instagram, which started a long time ago. But then the reality vantes on Twitter didn't start tweeting about them until the day they shot the reunion. The day they shot the reunion was apparently November 20th. And that's when the Twitter one started coming after them. That's why I don't have it. I have, I have stuff like for crappy hour, just because I don't wanna start getting yarn out with like little, you know, on the pinboard or free guys.

I think that makes sense because that's the sweet spot. Like we as the public, we don't know the monica's behind it, but everybody on the show knows, and everybody in Bravo knows. So this is the time that she can really just do and say whatever the hell she wants for at least that month until we find out.

And obviously, steel and I were tracking it too. We looked to see how many followers reality Von T's had before the finale and after. And it went up, I don't even know what it's at right now, but it went up close to 10,000 followers. Oh, I took a photo. It was at 6,000 because we had the screener. So it hadn't hit, like, that was about two years before

it went live. I took a screenshot, I was at around 6,000, and now last time I looked, it was at like 45,000, 50,000. Wow, that's the other mess. And that's not surprising. Like this is an emergency. Yeah, exactly. And we'll talk about that next

because I don't think that there's a future with Monica on this show. That's the big question. Just because she's going to be alienated. These women aren't going to want to film with her. Although, no, I'm actually battling myself right now. We've seen it in the past. You can do whatever the hell you want,

and they'll still film with you, and they'll still make it like, we've got Tom Sandevol's out there. Everybody's okay with him now. We're going to see in VPR next season. They're going to be filming with them. They're going to be doing whatever, because you know what, he made them rich.

So at the end of the day, are they really going to be there, except with him? It's not that different, because next year everybody's going to want to see how Monica assimilates back into the group. We're going to watch Salt Lake. It's going to be great. But the fact that she's continuing to troll the mod reality volunteers, that's the thing

that makes me feel like she's not, maybe she's not coming back because if she got an indication like we can't bring you back, then she's going to be like, fuck it. I'm going back to trolling. But like if they're like, we're bringing you back, but you have to stop this reality volunteers because this is a cast member. This is an action HR issue for us now. I'm going back to trolling, but like if they're like, we're bringing you back, but you have to stop this reality of aunties because this is a cast member. This is an action HR issue for us now. So I mean, I'm so curious to see how this shakes out

because the one thing is that I know the women are like, adamant that they are not gonna film with her. But I also feel like Heather Gay is extremely shrewd and she's extremely media savvy. And I think at Bravo says her down and says, look, I know you hate her guts. I know she committed the ultimate betrayal and she's an internet troll.

But also look at what this is doing for the show. And like, it's either going to play out not on the show or can play out on the show. So like, what do the smart thing? And I think that will like respond. Like, I think that will connect with Heather. I think she will, I think she'll be in and then everyone else will follow. I think Meredith will be a tough one, but they will drag her into it and then she'll spend the whole season struggling and looking away from Monica. I can't, I'm definitely gonna say it. And it'll work.

It's been an interesting, it's been interesting to watch it because part of it like her going on reality vantise again and torturing everybody once ever once she was outed on the show. She also didn't really know how the world was going to react to this. Like she did that big photo shoot that right all this came out on the show. She was like, I'm out of the burning newspaper. And like holding up the big newspaper, Kinko prints where she was like, I'm out of the burning newspapers. And like, holding up the big newspaper, Kinko Prince, where she's like, it's really being sexy and starting a newspaper on fire

and all of that stuff. So in her mind, she was kind of a hero, you know, and that's the thing about Monica. She's like a loose cannon. And I don't think she really knew how people were gonna react. I think she's shocked at how much pushback she's actually gotten from people. My first reaction when I saw it was like, okay, that's bad, but I had read that she,

you know, like I told you, I had read the Marillo Post, so I knew that I knew, but also I was like, I've been telling you guys Monica's crazy this whole time, and people, she really has that like, but she has a narcissistic mother. And then so everybody's like, I can't dare you, you obviously don't know what it's like. And it's like, well, that's not taking away from her being an asshole though. You know what I mean?

Like she still seems like completely local on her own. But I think she was really shocked. And I'm shocked after because our reaction was just the initial reaction, but then seeing all this stuff coming out online, like how bad it was, I mean, she really was stalking Jen Shaw. She was literally like, sitting in front of her house. Like, yeah, you're going in.

Yeah, I think that, yeah. Well, that also is an issue. Why should I not come back? Like, she did sort of like, she crosses lines. I think I broke the little bit. I broke the line. I think that like, I don't know what just to touch.

The audience has actually been more supportive of Monica than I would expect. Like every time I go into Twitter, a lot of responses have been like, yeah, well, face it. They went, they went, like, they supported someone who wanted fraud and she, you know, without Monica,

there would be no season four. Like, she has had, there are a lot of people that are viewing her kind of, like a Robin Hood, you know, and like, I feel like she's actually had a lot of support. I think it may be waiting a little bit as more and more Tajuri details are coming out like the video with her mom and the stuff about did she like like, like setting up those cameras and whatever. But then there's like a feeling of like, yeah, still from the rich, it's great. And, but what's interesting to me is that I don't feel like the audience, it's refreshingly not a situation

where people are like, team Monica, team Heather, you know, like you don't have to take a side and then have to like yell that because you took a side. I think everyone's like really enjoyed both. Like as much as people are loving Monica, people are loving the way, like every single thing Heather did, people are loved, she, like every single thing Heather did, people are loved, she had like three different speeches

in that show and everyone loved all three of them. Well, I know, so she gave like a, like a coaches speech at the end, like a speech all around up, right? Yeah, dude, she's like, If you think you can, you we've been through everything together. If you think you can come in here and take us down,

these four, we are resilient blah, blah, blah. I was like, fuck yeah, like let's go. Yeah. That was a great speech. The core for the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the before you found all this stuff out. Because obviously the internet has completely changed

its mind once we found this out. But what did you guys believe with the Meredith stuff? Did you, and that's also another reason I wasn't that surprised. Like if we're supposed to believe that Meredith does this all the time to the point where they're like, Meredith, come on Meredith, just stop. If you want to have lunch with us, stop making these fake accounts.

If they've kind of normalized it on their show to the point where I'm like, why am I supposed to get it? Anyway, the point is, whose side were you on with that whole Meredith? Well, the thing about Meredith is, one Monica being behind Reality Bontese does not exonerate Meredith. It doesn't mean that she's not still sending DMs and trying to get out of the people in trouble and spread rumors. She could still be doing that. It's just not through reality on T's. But I feel like people are mistaking that and going back and forth like,

wait, how are you guys still a Meredith's case? We just saw the Monica was the one who did it. No, we saw Monica was doing it in a much bigger way. But Meredith is still probably doing it. Let's be honest. So we were firmly on, I don't want to speak for steel, but we were firmly on Monica's side, honestly, for the most part until this came out. And I'm still in the area of Meredith is still guilty in some way. I don't think it's that big of a deal, though. I know what she's doing. And she's just trying to spread rumors and try to make a storyline for a show that was failing. Let's be honest. Last year, the show sucked. The first couple of years were okay, but you know, last year's stunk. So wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, years were okay, but you know, last year stunk. So wait, wait a second.

I'm gonna bury you. How dare you? Season two was only okay. This is where we're gonna go. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, can see I was being on good but season two, season two, how dare you say it? All right. So do you think season four was better than season two? Yes. No. I don't see it. It was. I actually think it was.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Do you do that season three? But do you attribute that to Gen Shaw not being here or Monica's presence? I love that Gen Shaw is not on the show anymore. She made me crazy from the beginning. And you know, the show, we do make fun of it being like the community theater of Housewives

or whatever, but Jen was just never even close to being real. You know, she's just the whole like, hi everybody, I'm just screaming, it's right way, I'm like having a fit and then being like, and her fake tears and just all of the seasons was just awful. I thought she was awful for Housewives because it's like a Saturday night live version of a Housewives. It's like played by Sherry O'Terry just losing her fucking mind at the drop of the hat. I could not stand her. And also she was so vile.

You know, when we're talking about like, well, Monica, be able to come back next season, they put up with Jen for three seasons. They'll still bring Jen back when her ass is out of prison. And the way that our prison system works, it'll probably be two weeks. And she'll be out probably bringing the girl with the fake blood. What's that girl's name? With the one and the Steve Jobs turtle next week. Oh, there are a lot of people. There are no. Sweet there. Yeah, that was monster.

Who is it? That was more of this. Yeah, listen to that poem. But I mean, was Malay Nournos. She's bringing Arlene Wernos onto this show. Oh, my God. Don't make me cough. I think it's too late. Oh my god, don't make me cough.

I think it's too late. I think, no, to get back to that question about, is it because of Monica? I think Monica had a huge part to do with it. I think that season had a great energy about it. It was very funny. And they were all getting each other's business. Monica did a great job.

I mean, Monica and her mom, that was actually very riveting. She was very, Monica was very funny and she was chaotic. Also, can honestly, I am going to advocate for Angie Kay. I think that Angie is the most try hard housewife and she tried so hard and she was so bad, like she was so awkward that she became amazing to me. I just loved the way she would just try to insert herself.

Even in this, I rewatched the finale, and I forgot there was a moment, oh no, the episode before, she wants to confront Meredith. She's like, Meredith, I would like to say something about these emails, hold on, let me wet my whistle before I start saying something. What are you doing? What are your whistle before you confront someone? It was great. Just everything she does cracks me up.

She was exceptional this year and she started off a little slow. I couldn't stand her last year, honestly, but I like her last year, actually. All of the of the moments that she tries to insert herself, and they were a lot more prevalent early on in the season. We saw it at the Trixi Motel. Yeah. We talked about it on our show season. We saw it at the Trixi Motel. We talked about it on our show. When they're at the bar, the amount of times that she just pops in, like over somebody's shoulder, I was like, what'd you say? And it's like, okay, go away. But a trampoline has eyes. She just pops up to give a rebuttal, then she's not involved

in the conversation. But I think episode three or four, she kind of hit her stride, like she didn't seem as forced, and the scenes with her and her family didn't seem as forced. And we got to see a more genuine side of Angie Kay, and maybe that's just getting comfortable, maybe that's being around the show long enough, being around these women long enough, but we definitely saw a different side of her.

And I gave her like the comeback player of the year award, because from last year, I really didn't enjoy our last year. She irritated me. I didn't like the forced issues and stuff like that. So to see her be more organic and be more comfortable and kind of find her niche within this group was actually really refreshing. I thought she did a great job this season.

So I'm on team Angie Kay now. As far as Monica and Meredith and all that stuff, I was on team Monica for the majority of the season. So I'm on team Angie Kay now. As far as like Monica and Meredith and all that stuff, I was on team Monica for the majority of the season. I part of me still slightly for being honest, just because of how much she delivered, how much she gave us throughout the season. If lover or hater, she was the MVP the entire year. She did a great job. The storyline, as you said, with LD, Olinda was captivating. And now there's even a bigger part when you're looking at her behavior throughout the year, the stalking, the manipulating this and that. And you have her mom to compare it to you're like, oh, well,

is this nature versus nurture? It brings up so many different conversations of is this tendency that she got from her mom? Is this just Monica and Monica's nuts? I think that it was such a great year for a housewife, but I'm pretty much on the platform of she's a one and done. She's gonna be one of the greatest to one and done in history, but I just, I don't see, probably the best, and I don't see how you can bridge a gap,

and I get it, I agree with you in, if Heather can get past it. This would be great TV to watch this play out next year. I just don't see how you can present that to the audience without feeling like it's being force fed to us. Well, how do you bridge that gap? Yeah, actually, the question is, will it actually be great TV?

If the women finally are like, no, that's OK. Sennically, we know this will be good for ratings, et cetera, it's good for a job. We'll shoot with her. Will we actually get a terrible season of them? Will it be a whole season of them just like not wanna talk with her? Will them trying to avoid her or like,

you know, will it be fake interactions? It could wind up backfire in our face if we demand Monica back. Yeah, it could because like that's one of the main issues that we have with a lot of the shows is if you get stuck on one topic, the entire season, we're going to get bored, especially if there's no answers. We already know the answer to this one. So if the entire topic next year is all of the women just completely alienating Monica and talking about how much they hate her, we're going to get tired of that. and talking about how much they hate her, we're gonna get tired of that. The reason that this season was so good was because we went from one issue,

whether it was Lisa Barlow's son and if he's going to Columbia, what does Heather think about this? Does she even get to have an opinion to Angie K and Sean's rumors? Like there's so many things going on and it seemed like every episode there was something different,

that keeps it fresh, that keeps us engaged. It was out of reach. It was out of reach. Exactly. And we're still by the end of the season, we're going through this rollercoaster. This was a fun year, and then they give us a great finale. That's a great way to end the year.

I don't want to deal with it. It's kind of what we're doing in Potomac right now. We keep going back to Potomac, but all we're talking about is whether or not Robin and Juan, what's going on with Juan and his allegations about cheating and everything else that whatever is surrounding it, we're tired of it. We don't want to do the same thing every episode. We want something fresh. So I don't think that Monica here next year

is going to allow that. Yeah, I think it's good. You know, like I was saying about Real Housewives of New York, sometimes it's okay to say goodbye. You know, like you don't have to just keep the same thing going because it was popular that, you know, for a long time. And I think that's kind of the thing with Monica.

I'm fine if she's a one and done. I enjoyed her pretty much. I didn't have that she is kind of Gen.2o with how she just will fly off the handle and go really, really low, really fast. But she's also got a more real charismatic side to her than Gen ever showed. So I don't really mind Monica. Like I don't have a, like, ugh, fuck Monica, don't bring her back. I'm not like morally against Monica. I just don't see how more of the same is gonna be good. I say switch it up.

Now Salt Lake City does have a really hard time getting new cast members. I mean, they are notoriously bad. I mean, you have places that have a lot of people shooting, you know, like Atlanta, they shoot a lot of things there, in LA or bigger cities. There's more to choose from, I mean, you have places that have a lot of people shooting, you know, like Atlanta, they shoot a lot of things there in LA or bigger cities. There's more to choose from, I think, but Salt Lake City. I mean, that's just it. That's a tall order, you know, and they have tried so many people and Angie, you know, like you're saying, like Angie's gotten

so much more, so much more comfortable. I don't think she has it all. I mean, I think that's what I love about her. Is she still so awkward and forced? I think I'm more used to it. And I just love it. I just think it's so fun. I mean, she's like always reading off a teletop or how she doesn't really, she still doesn't get it, but you just kind of get used to certain things because you watch them so much. And I just really love her now, but I'm okay with trying to get on that. I think that if Monica comes back, I think the producers have to work really hard

that by the end of the season, the feud is over because we have a theory which is that, like you have like, feuds have like a two-season arc. The first season is the build up to the feud and the breaking point, which is usually the more riveting part. And like we've seen this on like season two or season three of Real Housewives of New York with Bethany and Jill and just a million other feuds. And then you usually have the next season is you're living in the feud. And like how do we bring these two together? How do we find peace? Which is also usually pretty entertaining, but it also wears out its welcome.

And the worst are there have been shows where a whole season of feud happens at like this happen with Shannon and Vicki actually at one point. And then the season ends and the next season comes on and they're still feuding and you're like, I can't like I'm over this feud. I don't want like get over it. You know, so if they bring you guys you're like, I can't, like, I'm over this feud that I want. Like, get over it, you know? So if they bring Jared's on a call. Yeah, they bring back my God. They've got to wrap up this feud by the end of next season.

Don't you think that that's gonna be the worry about Jersey to this year? I mean, from everything we've been reading, it looks like, you know, half the cast is refusing to film with the other half of the cast. What do you guys think about that? The Jersey stuff that's coming out? What have you guys heard about? We're so dumb with it. I mean, that's like the quintessential teams. And we've learned that the hard way last year.

We weren't even picking teams. We even said in the beginning of the season, we're not going to bother picking teams. We're not going to steadfast go one way or another. And every comment that we made, it's just like a full comment list of team Teresa, whatever it might be. And that it's got to be the most toxic fan base out of all of Bravo. And it's absolutely insane. It's crazy to go through, but it's funny because by the end of the year, we loved it. We want to do embrace it.

And we would actively try to annoy them. And it's, you know, it's a good time. But I don't know where they go. And we were hoping they were going to make a ton of changes this year. We were honestly calling for whatever Theresa wants to do. If you want to give her her own little love bubble show out in California, her and Louis can just go live the rest of their days and do whatever the hell they want. And then you get Melissa out of there and maybe just start fresh.

I think they wanted to see, at least in my eyes, I think they wanted to see what Roni looked like this year to see if there was good feedback to the new cast before they made a decision on Jersey. And they might give Jersey this last year. And if they're not going to film together, we're not going to want to watch it really. Obviously, we still will, but we're not going to want to watch it. And they'll know that by the end of the year. And you'll be able to see the dip in the viewership by the end of the year. And I think they're going to have to make a hard decision.

Who do you let go? Who do you keep? And Bravo's going to have to stick their head in the mud essentially. But intense, intense feuds have been like part of Jersey's DNA since the beginning. Like, this is the one show that likes to live in that space. So, um, I mean, I'm ready for it. I think that your Jersey is really over the past like six or seven years has been one of the most consistent performers on Bravo. And it sort of always gets overlooked. There's always like a flashier show that comes along.

You know, Vanne pump rules was out, you know, was doing Scandival while Jersey was doing at the season and Jersey kind of got overlooked from that. And then, you know, right now we're gonna talk about Salt Lake City. You know, as we're putting together the ballots for the crappies and I put something on Instagram, like hey, what are your everyone's favorite moments

on Bravo for the past year? And of course, everyone writes like everything from SLC or Vannamprop Rules or Beverly Hills. And people just don't write stuff from Jersey, but Jersey has always had so much stuff. So I hope that these worrying factions can get over it because I feel like it's actually a really good cast.

And if they just wind up in this super divided place where they Bravo does have to clean house, I think W. Shame. Well, I think that's the risk that we're run though is like at what point will they get over it? You know, we've had the Melissa versus Teresa feud forever seemingly. And now you have, I think the risk they're running this year is from everything I've been seeing, it's Danielle and

Jen Aiden are getting into it physically. Are they going to put a lot of pressure on Danielle and Nubi who didn't, she was fine last year. I enjoyed her. Did she necessarily find her stride? I don't know. I don't know if she was like a stellar performer. Last year, but she was solid. I was in a risky to put that much on us on a new camera. What's up? I think they'd Dan Yellen. Dan Yellen, Jennifer Aiden having like a feud

based off of physical fight is actually exactly what that show needs. Like a different kind of feud between those two. Could be great. Those two not cases? Yes. Well, they're kind of, I mean, that sounds perfect. Because Dan Yellen was, everybody was pegging her for being the newest member of team Teresa

So now that she's in limbo because I feel like she feels a little scorned because she was thrown under the bus by Jen Aiden So now all of a sudden she's fighting with somebody else if she can kind of stand alone and do that And we have a different feud to look forward to maybe it'll take some of the pressure off the rest of the castmates And we can kind of get back to what Jersey is. Oh, we'll also have the new feud of Marge versus Jackie because those two, that's like the typical Bravo, like we're going to be on the same team, we're going to be each other's allies no matter what. And then O'sampic came along and ruined everything because it looks like they're having O'sampic fights.

Like that's what I've heard that their season is about. And now Teresa has accepted Jackie and now Jackie and Teresa are gonna be like the littleest bitches in the same thing. That's insane. They're getting excited for Jersey now. I didn't know that was possible. Maybe it's what it needs.

Yeah, this is all stuff that could be potentially what it needs. The only reason I was nervous about Danielle and Jen is because Danielle's a newcomer, and I don't know if it's a lot of pressure to put. She is a problem. She's just like, oh my God, how could you do this to me? And it'll be hilarious.

And honestly, I'm actually looking forward to a season of Melissa Goraga just living in her truth that she fucking hates Teresa. She is pretended to be like, oh, you know, we just wanna be there as family. And watching Melissa Goraga just being like, oh, you know, like we just want to be there as family. And watching Melissa Gorgog just being like fuck off to reset during the entire last reunion was great. It's like finally, Melissa is just being Melissa. But do you think that they can have a show in which they are, like, is there a way that the show

is successful when you have the group split so firmly? Like, can they still come up with a formula to enter? I think we have so much foam with Jersey because we do like the stupid butt says. You know, so like we love it for that reason because everybody's a muppet to us, you know, so we like it for that. I think a lot of what hurts a Jersey is the fandom because it really, like you said, it does get so toxic. Oh my God, people will come after you. Oh, I can't believe it. We get through it. We get through it. Oh my God. People will come after you. But hopefully they get really.

They called us. You've been on team Gorgia. Apparently we're on their payroll. And then they said we're on Teresa's payroll. I haven't seen any of the money yet. So I'm a little upset about that. But no matter what you say, they will take up arms against you. One way you can be team Joe or you can team Teresa

or you can be down. We were neutral. We would preface everything with, we don't pick a side here. We think they're both kind of crazy right now. And we would still, the tree stands are the apps so like the tree stumps. A friend to everyone is a friend to no one Joe.

Okay. You know, sometimes you gotta pick a side. They are toxic. They're toxic, but I always like that show. And I have to say they've always delivered on that show. Even the worst seasons have retroactively been considered amazing by me. I mean, the worst season of that by far

was when Teresa went to jail and they tried to do a recast and they recast everybody, right? Like we all remember that. That was a disaster. But it was kind of amazing. I mean, it gave you Amber and Jim Marchese who are vile. I mean, those two are vile. And then the twins and one of the twins, husband,

fucked the mom-in-law. I mean, Santa, do you guys remember all this? I mean, it was just like, horrid. It was whole vile. But thinking back on it, it's like, oh my it, it was a while, but I'm thinking back on it, it's like, oh my God, they gave us so much. I can't, you are mother season. That's a season.

I think there's something to be said about the consistency of Jersey. Always know what to expect. I just want to see a show that's more cohesive as far as the castmates go. I'm getting tired of Teresa versus Melissa. If they're not gonna remedy that, then just move on from it.

Don't bring it up anymore. Let's focus on some new story lines. Let's focus on some new drama. Yeah. Maybe that is the beauty of Jen versus Danielle. Maybe that will be the focal point that we need to take our mind off of Teresa versus Melissa. Because for all intents and purposes,

they're not rectifying the situation. They're not coming back together. We can move past that. So I agree. The consistency with Jersey, you always know what you're going to get. The women do always come prepare. They do their best to deliver a good show. I can't knock them on that.

I just need something different this season because I do love this cast. I love this cast. I love the dudes on this show. Like overall, there's something comforting and familiar when this show comes on TV. And maybe that's because we're from Philly and, you know, Jersey's just down the street and we familiarize, familiarize with these kinds of people.

I don't know what it is. But I want to watch a season in which I'm not rolling my eyes because it's Theresa versus Melissa again. I can't do that again. But I think we've known that forever and we've accepted the fact that they're never going to get back together. It's now like what we're seeing is Melissa finally understands.

You're never getting back together. Maybe it was the Joe of it all that was kind of standing in there. So now that Joe is, you think so. Yeah, that's what I think. Yeah, I think that like because like an effort to make it good for Joe and Theresa, she had to play nice, you know, I see now That Joe is like fuck my sister Melissa can just be like yeah fuck her which by the way might be exactly what those two need to become Real friends, which is Melissa actually being in her authentic self

I don't know if that's gonna really happen. Well be interesting though to go back to Salt Lake City sort of tying back to sort of like building off the earlier question of like, is Bravo gonna try to have like big, you know, season finalies with twists and turns? I'm not sure that Bravo can do that, but I'm interested to see how this might affect other shows. Like, you know, when I look at what's happened

on Salt Lake City this season, and I look back on the New York reboot, I was not a fan of the New York reboot. Although in retrospect, I, like, there are things that I do really appreciate about it. Like, I really enjoy the jessil of it all. Like, there definitely has, like, some upside. I'm not writing it off, but do we think

that New York might come back with some more knives out because I really felt like a lot of last season was like, look at us. We're just like fabulous girlfriends in the city living fabulous lives. Don't you want to be friends with us? And I think that like second season may now be like wanting to kind of go a little harder at each other.

What do you guys think? Yeah, I would say so. I feel like that first season is just kind of feeling each other out and also getting acclimated to the show and having cameras around and you know, what makes good TV. You have to look back at the game film. You have to sit there and watch the entire season, see how everything played out, what worked, what didn't, did I hit on this one, did I not. So I feel like they're going to have a better understanding. As long as they leave the cast as is and it sounds like maybe general lines isn't going to come back, we don't really know what the cast is going to look like. As long as they leave it for the most part untouched, they're going to be more comfortable

around each other. So we're going to see more of that, maybe that knives out mentality. We're, yeah, we're not all buddy buddy and we're going to the same places all the time to look at us and look at us living in New York. We're having such a great life. Maybe they will start to fight. And as long as it's organic and it makes sense. And I think the Jessel could be a big part of that because she came into her own by the

end of the season. We'll be able to speak some good entertainment. That's what we're hoping for. Do I think that's going to happen? Maybe not. Maybe in some way, I don't think that they're going to come full-bore and just really get out there for the second season, but that first season, yeah, we're just going to chalk it up as kind of a feel out. Do we like these personalities? For the most part, I would say yes, and we'll see what the second season looks like, but yeah, we're still very hopeful for that. And I do hope that there is some good organic drama for the second season. My predictions for that is that Gesso is going to be the biggest villain because I think

that people, she is such an asshole. I mean, I think we loved, you know, both of both been and I just love her just because she's so ridiculous. And so like, oh my God, our children put that shoulders with Tom Cruise's ridiculous. And so like, oh my God, our children have been taught shoulders with Tom Cruise's children. It's like Tom Cruise's children are in college, you know. But anyway, it's like she's just so out of touch. And then she'd be able to put that one together. And she'd be,

well she thinks Tom Cruise is gonna be at the PTA beating. So, you know, and she'd be damned. They've cheesed for it. Kind of. Of course he's gonna be there. She became kind of a hero. He loves a good cheese board Tom Chris Shaku to refighted Tom Chris I'm gonna hear a whole new overall love Shaku to See became a hero later on because the worst people were going up against her and kind of bullying her

Which is how you went in housewise. Like, if everybody's bullying you, then you're automatically gonna kind of be the hero for a while. That's just how it is. And so I think she got lucky in a way. And also she was so much herself that she just didn't care. And I think that in a show, we're not everybody with themselves all the time it worked. But I think at heart, Jessel is an asshole.

She's a funny asshole. But I think that people really did the thing where they just I think, that's what I think, that's what I think, that's what I think, that's what I think, that's what I think, that's what I think, that's what I think, that's what I think, that's what I think,

that's what I think, that's what I think, that's what I think, that's what I think, that's what I think, that's what I think, that's what I think, that's what I think,

that's what I think, that's what I think, that's what I think, that's what I think, that's what I think, that's what I think, that's what I think, that's what I think, that's what I think, that's what I think, popular at the end, she had a rolling stone profile. And the other women are not going to stand for that, especially Aaron. Aaron is the most jealous person of the ball

and she's going to start taking down Jessel in her own boring way. That's the only thing that will make Jessel not the villain is having Aaron go after her again. But yeah, I think that Aaron Jessel's going to come to season two, thinking she's a superstar and they are gonna go nuts. What do you think, Steele?

I agree with that. I would love that to transpire because I hated Jessel for the first half of the season and when she started to come into her own, I love Jessel. I'm a huge Jessel fan. I 100% agree with Ronnie. She's an asshole. We saw her being asshole to have it multiple times and they kind of like chalk., we like them together. Let me get that straight. I like Jessel and Pavitt together. I think they compliment each other well. But the way she talks to people

is very brash. Like she's just rough around the edges. And that's a good thing once you got to know her. I think this show set up to have a solid second season. I think they have all the pieces there to do it. And like, at Shooter said, you check the game film, you go back and watch tape, they read the socials, they understand how things have been working, what did work, what didn't work, right? They're reading all the comments, sigh, made comments during the season,

while it was airing, saying, I promise the food thing's not gonna be a recurring thing. She addressed what we were all irritated with because the food thing got really annoying that there's no food anywhere. I'm always hungry, blah, blah, blah. It's annoying. Stop.

She addressed it during an episode on Twitter. So there are self-aware. They're going to look back and see what was working, what feuds they tried to start that didn't necessarily land. I think that's going to be a big tell and how to play the game the right way. What's going to make good TV versus what's going to be annoying and what's too far, maybe, but now that their feet are wet and they're ready to go for the second year, like Shooter

said, if you bring back this cast, maybe add one newbie in, but I don't want to change things up after only one season. I think give them two years, see how this season goes. And then if they're good together, you've got a good show. You've got a good show in the making. If not, you have one more year to try to make some changes in that third season. But I think we're going to see a better season this year. I enjoyed it last year.

I saw the makings of a good show. So I'm thinking you got to bring it. I think you got to bring it to that. You got to bring it a new person. And that new person cannot be like an influencer or sort of working generically in fashion. They have to be just like much more interesting, I think, than the people that are there.

Like a CEO or CFO. Yeah, and I think that like, I don't love CY. I think that like, if you get rid of CY, I think with Aaron, you know, Brian, I'm very hot and cold about. Sometimes she drives me nuts. Sometimes I'm like, oh, she's actually really good. And like, there is the potential for the show

to just like really explode for me, but it's definitely not there. I just need a little bit more camp. Like, that's what Salt Lake City is so good at. And I feel like by the way, with Salt Lake City, going back to it, like another thing that really, really needs to be emphasized about how good this finale was,

was yes, there was a twist. Yes, it was on the back of a great season. Yes, this is a great cast. They all care about each other, but also production was serving their A-game. The music, like the choices for the music, were outstanding. The way they decided to tell the story was outstanding.

And honestly, it was all so overdramatic, it was all very campy and it was all very ridiculous. And that's what we loved about it. And that's where, like, if we're talking about New York, New York was like trying to be like, yeah, just like be one of the girls with us, like we're fabulous, we're doing fabulous things. Like, look at our fabulous lives in New York, whereas Salt Lake City was not trying to say, look at our fabulous lives. Salt Lake City was like providing full on nighttime soap opera. And I think that is where Salt Lake has really, really just knocked it out of the park all four seasons.

Well, what do you guys expect for the three part reunion? What are we gonna do? I like some predictions. I would have just said, I like some predictions. Steel and I have gone through it. It seems like Monica, at least inter-confessionals in the finale, was sitting there

and she had more information. Steal and I think that there's a lot more interaction in her book, and she's got the Mean Girls Burn book, and she's ready to roll. I think that there's a lot more interactions between maybe Lisa Barlow, Angie Kay, Meredith, with the actual page. she's probably got more DMs. I wanna see to the extent of which she has,

because at this point, it seems like, she seems pretty confident in it, and we know that nobody's talking to Monica anymore. She better be able to serve at least for the entire three-part reunion because we talk about reunions all the time, and they're always a little too long. There's never enough to be.

Do it in two parts, maybe in one part, three parts is crazy, but obviously with that finale, they deserve three parts. I think that we're gonna be okay. I just wanna see what's gonna happen and what you guys think is going to happen from Monica's perspective into the reunion.

Well, I think Monica, at the end of the day, I know this is anti-climactic, but I think Monica has a bunch of nothing because Monica, what she brought during the season is like your husband's gay. I mean, really, if you think about all of the horrible things that Monica supposedly knew and had against everyone, really she didn't, and that reality,

Monty's was just kind of bringing down Gen Shaw. One criticism we were getting after the recap was like, oh my God, you guys don't realize that that account had been scrubbed and all this other stuff was said about that. But what, where are the screenshots of all of this horrible stuff that she supposedly said? I mean, there was obviously the Shrek stuff,

but that was stuff that Gen said about Heather. And then there was her saying Whitney is a swinger, which I don't think anybody, I don't think there's a person watching the show that didn't think that watching them in their first two seasons anyway. Like when they're on the party bus with the stripper pole and all of their friends who are like Whitney lookalikes

are like, and they're all getting wasted and doing shots off each other. And it's like, yeah. So I don't know that she really ever had a whole lot. So I think she's gonna be a lot of nothing. And I think that Heather is a black eye is going to be caused by rough housing when they were wasted, making out putting their boobies

up against the glass and all that stuff that they were doing in that final episode. I also think my prediction is that Meredith and Angie will bury the hatchet and I think that the way they're going to be able to do it is that they're going to blame Monica. They're going to say that Monica was putting them against each other. Whether or not that's true is besides the point, it's just going to be an easy way for them to get out of this tension. I think that they are, I think Angie, I think Angie actually really wants to be Meredith's friend. And so I think that she is going to do a whole thing

of like, I realize now that Monica was putting me against you and there's no reason for us to be fighting. And that's true, by the way, because if you look back at the origins of their feud, it was based off of almost entirely nothing. Like I don't even know, it was based off of almost entirely nothing. Like, I don't even know. It was like a passing comment in the finale last season. So my prediction as the two of them are going to move forward.

Okay. My prediction is that that burn book is stacked with DMs from the cast members. Reaction. They're interacting with this kind of story that's posted. Totally wishful. I can't get the f*** out. I hope you're you. I think I can. A story that posted. Totally wishful. I can't get the f- I hope you're right. I hope you're right.

I do too, because if there's just stacks and stacks of Lisa Barlow commenting on a funny story that reality von T's posted that's dragging Meredith or dragging Angie or dragging somebody in the group and her applying like, oh my god, this totally happened would be really, really funny. I want that burn book to come through. I get so bummed out when we get these bedazzled notebooks, these big Manila folders where they put so much time and effort on how they look, but then they pull out the receipts and you're like,

damn it, that's really not anything. So look, Monica has delivered up until this point. She is also a certified legitimate stalker, so she definitely has dirt on people. She had the dirt for the account on Jen. Her goal with the account was to take down Jen show. Mission accomplished, okay. I don't know, she's the reason that she went to prison, but regardless, I'm wishful thinking still. So if she can do that, who is to say that she doesn't have more shit on the other ladies?

And if she does, and then she lights the burn book on fire and walks off stage and no one hears from her again, that's my goal. That's what I want to happen. I have to laugh stuff out. I want to borrow it. God, you are a delusional.

Let's talk about that. I love it. I hope you are totally correct. God, I want ice. Come on, it would be so good. I think it would be good too. And I hope that you're correct. I want I mean, come on, it would be so good. I think it would be good too. And I hope that you're correct. I hope that she really burns the house down because all of them,

it's fishy at this point with everybody. They've already accused Meredith of all this stuff. Last year it was Angie H.S. husband. They forgave her and Heather is fishy too because Heather's still friends with Tinesha. I mean, what the hell? Like Tinesha is out of the closet. And if all of these DMs and stuff that have been released over the course of the week, which were probably running out of time, but another time, but all of those that have been released proves

that she's keeping someone who is totally doing the same thing Monica was. I don't understand it. So I think that's pretty fishy to you. Well, I feel like that, that just goes to show you that there could be some hope for Monica staying on the show. If Heather's gonna be able to forgive Tanisha, why? Because she gave her the DMs that made the show even better. I mean, I guess that's good enough to still be. Because Tanisha came clean about it. So that's why it's like, you know, you apologize. So that's okay. I think Tanisha's a great, it's all an opportunity to get on TV and experience. I think that's an ancient experience. I think that's an ancient experience. I think that's an ancient experience. I think that's an ancient experience.

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I think that's an ancient experience. I think that's an ancient experience. I think that's an ancient experience. I think that's an ancient experience. I think that's an ancient experience. I think going to blow up everything and tell her that Monica's the one behind this. I'm going to get my 15 minutes of fame. I think that everybody that's tagging along for this, that is not a member of the show, is using it to their advantage to get their face in the limelight and profit off of this somehow. I'm firmly under that belief with both Tanisha and Marulo and whoever else is on the the Shaw squad. Yeah. Well, yeah. We'll see. We've got a month. We've got a month left of it. It was so good to meet you and finally get to talk to you.

This was so much. The special use. She's cute. Magoo. Yeah. See? There you go. So much for what a delay. You it. Hey, perfect. Yeah, thanks for thanks for getting the ball rolling on this and we'll have to do it again. Absolutely. Everybody. Absolutely. That's subscribe to brav bros. Don Instagram. Throw on everywhere you get your podcasts.

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