Watch What Crappens - #2429 Summer House S08E13: Killing Me Not Softly

Episode Date: May 17, 2024

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from Wondry and Tinkercast, where hip hop and fables meet. Listen to Once Upon a Beat early and ad free right now on Wondry+. Once Upon a Beat. Check it out. Hello and welcome to Watch for Crappins, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me today is the wonderful and glorious Mr. Ronnie Karam.

Hi Ronnie, how are you? Well hello Ben. Hi. Can I just make an announcement? This is just for you, Ben, not everybody else. Sorry, everybody else has to hear this. I need positivity. I need some like positivity and like some enthusiasm all right. When we record this episode I just need you to be like

a little softer and more tender with me that's all. Just be a little softer and tender. Be softer and tender. Okay. Oh darling. Wow this episode of Summer House really had it all. What a disaster. What a shit show. God, Paige for president though. Oh my God, Paige was amazing. Actually all the women were amazing this episode.

All the men, women were putting these immature fucking men in their place, weren't they? They were, but Paige just took it that extra mile with yelling up at Kyle while he went upstairs to go cry in a corner and just kept yelling at him. I died. I was like Paige for Preg. It was so good. I would vote for Paige at this point for Prez.

Yeah, she was really amazing. This is her best episode since then. We no longer have taxes. We only have to hit like and subscribe. That's my only law. Carol on. The only thing taxing around here is my boyfriend. Oh, by the way, did you send me notes?

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Before we dive into this recap about Summerhouse, I have something I need to bring to the podcast about Summerhouse and West. I have something I need to bring to the podcast about Summerhouse and West. And a friend sent this to me, okay? So she was watching last week's episode. This is gonna be propaganda. I feel some propaganda coming on. No, this is gonna be, I think this will make you happy.

I think this might be, maybe it could potentially be a vindication for you. My friend was watching Summerhouse and she was watching it with the closed captions on and there was a scene last week when Wes was talking about they're on the boat and pages like, are you sitting with other women? And he was like, he does like an interview where he says, you know, like, when you date someone, it's either going gonna lead to marriage or a really sad day, and both of those things really scare me.

I know it's like selfish and immature, it's the most selfish thing I've said on this thing, but like that's just who I am, that's just how I feel, da da da da da. So remember he said that? Yeah. And my friend noticed that our closed captioning was saying something completely different.

Like the closed captioning was- They've been doing that a lot on Bravo. This has happened a few times now. The closed captioning was a totally said something entirely different, but said something that kind of made sense, but it was totally different. And so she pointed it out to her husband and he was like, he was a he was like a videographer works in video or something. And he was like, oh yeah. A lot of times that happens when they swap out something and they forget to change the captioning.

So it's usually a remnant of a scene that used to be there. Yeah, do you remember the whole thing that happened on Southern Charm with that? They had taken a whole scene with the guys talking and they forgot to change it on closed captioning. So they changed everything. They tried to trick us, but the audience caught it, fuckers. So what was he really saying in closed captioning?

Well, I just want to say that when I went and looked at my closed captioning the same scene, it has been fixed and revised. But it is here in video. And so while Wes is talking about like, oh my God, marriage, whatever, so again, they're on the boat and Paige is like, have you been sleeping with anyone? And so this is what the closed captioning from West says clicks tongue

prisoner of the moment, probably. Um, cause he's this is an interview. He's telling us this. Um, I forgot about that. Um, um, so I'm sort of scrolling. I don't know. I mean, why would I ruin a special moment on the boat with the truth?

Ha ha ha ha ha, laughing. So, when Paige says, are you sleeping around, the original response on the show was, why would I ruin a special moment with the truth? Oh, so he is sleeping with other people. Suggesting like he is sleeping around and that maybe Bravo is swapped that out because West is so popular, they wanted to have like,

they don't want their audience to get mad at him. They're building him up as this hero. So we don't know, we don't know, but it definitely raised an eyebrow and I wanted to share it with the audience and everyone else can figure it out from there. Oh, I love it. You know, I love some secret,

some secret finds in editing. I love that. Yes. Yeah, you know, this guy, I just, and I read all the comments and I actually really like him too. I love Wes. I think he's so sweet.

I actually really like him. I think he's great casting. And no matter what happens in the future, he's great casting. Actually, especially what happens in the future, he's great casting. Actually, especially if he turns out to be a monster, cause it's gonna be a huge twist. I have to say though, my meter just keeps, it just keeps pinging and he's really leaning

into this baby voice. Like I just, and we know what that's a sign of. There's never been a good person who uses that voice. It's like, I'm just a boy. What? And he does it. We'll get to the part in the notes where he does it.

And I just, I'm sorry, but something's in store with this guy and I cannot wait to find out what it is. So we'll see. Luckily, it seems like Sierra has, I really loved how Sierra handled him later in the episode. Like literally all the women handled all the men this episode so well.

They just put them all in their place. So this week the episode picks up. Kyle has just thrown a thing at a thing because Amanda dared to say she wants to, you know, make, do something that was not related to love. She wants to make bikinis for big breasted women. That's all she wants. And it sends Kyle into a drama temper tantrum,

watching a grown, drunk, aging frat boy with a mullet just clinging to youth and sobbing because he's not getting his way is hilarious to me. It's not the first time it's happened on Summer House, especially with Kyle. This is Kyle. And I love everybody so surprised every time Kyle does this. Everyone online is like, what Kyle, what's wrong with Kyle?

Have you been watching this show? This is Kyle people, okay? This is why we've been screaming run to Amanda for eight years, eight years now. But this shit is funny. So he's throwing things and apart from them, Amanda's talking to Lindsay and she's like, I just feel like I can't win.

It's like, what do you do all day? What do you do with your life? And I tell you and then it's not enough. Like what the hell? And then outside Kyle's talking to Carl and he's like, the way Amanda talks to me like actually disgusts me. Like I feel like I'm putting all this effort in

for like nothing. Like, I mean, the way she has talked to you this season has been pretty terrible in many different instances. But in this case, literally nothing wrong with what she said, what she asked, what she expressed. Literally nothing wrong. You're the one who's throwing shit against walls outside

and you're complaining the way she delivers information. I don't think so. Yeah, and we're kind of seeing her point you know because this is you you walk in it's like the same thing going on with your buddy over here who will get two of the minute that's the same thing where it's like poke poke poke poke and then she goes crazy and then you act like the bill I can't believe she talked to me like that so and it's just a doubleheader today of just stupid men. It's coming from all ends. It never ends.

It's so good. Yeah, so he's disgusted. And then of course he's got his little ass kissers out there. Is Danielle out here yet? She will be. Maybe. But it's Danielle and Carl, his little groupies. And Carl's like, oh, Carl,

you've built an amazing company. I mean, I recognize it. Like, I know that you need that from your wife and you're not getting that because she doesn't appreciate you like I do. Only I see it. Only I see it. Like, am I possibly setting you up

to then be able to say the same thing to me when I come to you in the same situation? Possibly, yeah, but you do great work. You do great work, by the way. So Kyle's like, I'm done. I'm done, man so then Amanda's like, you know, you know the first few years I did like the house you guys everyone sees me as Kyle's girlfriend But I don't want to be Kyle's girlfriend

I want to be Amanda the girl who finally provided something for the often overlooked demographic of women with big breasts. I I decided something for the often overlooked demographic of women with big breasts. I mean, I'm not even Amanda anymore. When was the last time I made guac? That's true. She really has lost her identity. She gave that up. It's so annoying.

So then Amanda, you know, whatever. So Paige is running through the house like, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip. Count your thing outside. Count your thing. Where's Sierra? Where is Sierra? Sierra is in her bed, but she has so much shit on her bed and she's like under the comforter. So like Paige can't even find her. So then we go back to outside and then Danielle is like, I mean, Kyle, imagine if you built something out of nothing and then you don't even feel appreciated. It's the worst thing, which is my way of saying,

does anyone wanna ask me about my startup? Because no one's asked me about that all summer. Anyone? She's like, Kyle, I get it. Life is like an app, all right? You gotta update it every once in a while. Is it ever really finished? There's a lot of version histories.

You get what I'm saying? Now as CEO to CEO, I just wanna say, Gal. Gal! It's so frustrating when you've put in three Zoom meetings and people just don't appreciate the time you put into that, you know? Well, I'm sure glad that Danielle took the time to get some mail approval today.

Danielle, pick me, pick me. So then Danielle's, Kyle storms off and he's crying. My other favorite thing is the guys crying off camera today, it's glorious. Every time they start sobbing, they run off and it's not glorious later, cause Jesse like has a legit thing going on. But it's just funny that the guys always run off camera.

There's so many shots of guys. Just, we see a bush and we hear, and so, uh, Kyle's like, we hear him crying and Danielle's like, I hope he's not driving. Cause what we don't know is that he's actually climbed into a car and just sitting in the driver's, I mean, talk about a metaphor. He's sitting in the driver's seat in a car that's going nowhere, crying. And in a leased car he can't pay. I mean, that's the other thing.

He's crying about how they're out of money and how they're in debt and their business is stinking. And he goes to cry in $160,000 car. Yeah, exactly. So he's crying and then Carl goes, oh, yeah, yeah, you all go check in on him? I'm like, Carl, can you, you can't even be, you can't even have initiative in this moment. You're making dad yell. Do it. Could he be more passive? Hey, you want to go check on him? I'll be right.

I'll be right here. I'm going to just like make a hot dog. And, uh, Kyle's crying in the car. He's like, I am so silver thing. Well, I work well do I work for fun? No, you work for money, okay? You work for fucking money. And the company that she helped you build, she's still helping you make money. You dipshit.

What do you think you're working for? Oh, so I'm acting like you're working for her. Everything she's asked you for, you've said no. She wants to move, you said no. You're certainly not working for a house in the suburb. She said she's ready to have kids, you said no, you're certainly not working for your kids So what is it? You know, how much does that mullet cost? You've also spent three years talking about how bad of an employee she is. She doesn't like won't do her work

She wants to sleep in she's like she was like a ball and chain on the business But this is what you're what now you want to cling on to it? Come on. Yeah. Well, he just said last week, oh, if she was, she's saying she works for me. Well, if she worked for me, I would fire her. Oh yeah. So that's the one you want to keep so bad, huh? She literally wants to quit. You don't have to pay unemployment. So let it go. So specular. My friend's like, oh, he just doesn't want to have to pay whoever's doing graphics. Like he wants to keep getting her work for free, but he's just such a dummy. You can still get her work for free. She's literally not leaving you.

Is he afraid that he's going to have to fund this with other money? It's not your money anyway. You can invest her money and your audience is like a 90% women that you would think that you would be smart enough to be like, wow, one of the most gorgeous women on Bravo, who everybody envies her body, like who has such an envious body that people are talking about it nonstop every single time she's on TV,

wants to sell bikinis to other hot young women and our market is hot young women. Hmm, hello, it's like a gift, darling. Take the gift, mullet. I kind of think that, I think it has nothing to do with the financials. I think it's like a gift, darling. Take the gift, mullet. I kind of think that, I think it has nothing to do with the financials. I think it's like, this is like some weird abandonment issue thing.

And that he is like, the lover boy is not doing well. It's going down. He's scared the whole thing is like that people are gonna start abandoning ship. He's afraid that if Amanda leaves, other employees are gonna leave. It's just gonna be like, he's just gonna go down with the ship alone

and he's gonna be off at sea, like sinking in a, in a, in a pit of seawater down. Well, hopefully now he can just be confident that all people really have to do is watch their boss on this show to have complete confidence as he sobs in a car and throws a temper tantrum and throws glasses against buildings he doesn't own. So he was going on and on and Carl goes, yeah, I don't understand.

I don't understand where she's coming from. She says things make me question if she understands why I even put in the time and effort. And Danielle goes, yeah, it's an empire. Oh my God. Yes. The empire of- Canceled after two seasons maybe. Yeah, it's an empire. Oh my god. Yes, the empire Cancelled after two seasons maybe

the empire of fizzy alcoholic fruity drinks up there with Rome and the Han dynasty so then Kyle's like she's like I'm not a morning person. You're a morning person. I'm like no. I'm not a morning person I have to get up and do shit because I'm not a morning person. You're a morning person. I'm like, no, I'm not a morning person. I have to get up and do shit because I'm like a fucking adult. As he says he's an adult, as he sits there crying in a car drunk and pining of being a DJ at another life. Where's your bathing suit, sir, by the way, Mr. Adult, where's your bathing suit?

Exactly. It's in the middle of the Long Island sound because it fell off while you were Seabobbing while wasted earlier of this fucking guy. So I'm just so defeated And she's like you got this buddy. Take a beat take a beat buddy from CEO to CEO Kyle So Carl then she comes back he's like, then she comes back and he's like, oh, is he all right? He's heartbroken, absolutely.

Okay, Danielle, let's relax here. Let's relax with the, oh yeah, this is nothing. He's just having a tantrum in a car because he's drunk. So then, sit inside, Jesse's like, hi, who made all this? And Paige is like, oh, it's our Amish friend, Lindsey. She's from Florida.

And we see Lindsey and she's wearing like a hat, like a bucket hat, but she's wearing it up. So it looks like a blossom, like a blossom hat. And she just stares like, are you making fun of me? Making fun of me being from Florida? Being Amish? I thought we were friends this season? I know, you can see,

Lindsay is not like the most hilarious person on purpose. Like she doesn't have like a crazy sense of humor. And you can tell she's kind of mad, but she's like, well, they're probably making fun of me, but I'm gonna be okay with it. Because I'm friends with the girls this season. So what are they eating? Chicken nuggets?

She makes them something like that. She's making some sort of like display of frozen foods or something like that. Like she's, she like found the TGIF onion rings or something in the frozen island. It's making them in the oven. So she's like, I'm from Florida and that's what makes me who I am.

Okay, Albany. And Paige is like, oh my God, I literally love being from Albany. That's amazing. I love being from Albany. That's amazing. I love being from Albany. It's better being from Albany than Numbly. I was trying to do a play on words, but I realized it'll just go over your Florida Amish head.

Nevermind. Somebody, nobody, nobody? No, nobody. I'd rather have all the bunny than none of the bunny. So outside, Danielle's pacing around being a bad actress. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no understand Danielle, thank God. She's like, that's never good enough. I mean, wouldn't you feel bad if your own partner

in life didn't celebrate? What the, or even worse was like, cool, great, don't love it. Babe, what part of Amanda literally leaving her job to work with this man, go on the road with him to all of these gigs. If you look at their Instagram, it's just her and him at every fucking lover boy gig across the

world selling this shit to tourists. Don't tell me she doesn't support him. That's ridiculous. Yeah. And Carl's like, oh, trust me. Trust me. It's crushing. It's crushing. It's absolutely crushing to have a partner who doesn't necessarily recognize or cheer you on, especially without any softness or tenderness, like, or make you feel worthy of what you built or what you did for the family. I totally get that. I mean, I've not built anything

or done anything for the family, but I totally get that theoretically. I totally know what it's like to have a ha, unsupportive partner. Ha. Ha, you know, nothing is worse than someone who doesn't have enthusiasm. you know what I mean? I just need enthusiasm.

Ha. Oh. And it's like, they don't understand like what you built or like what you did for your family. What did you build, Carl? Could you please, could you please like get a whiteboard out and tell us what you fucking built? Because you say that a lot in this episode, name it.

Name one fucking thing that you've built or what you've done for your future family, please. Because you love going off about it this entire episode. Name it, dude. We've been watching you for eight years. Come up with something. I built a lot of things like a business proposal for a sober bar,

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and painstaking research. We're also not afraid to read a So they'll go back inside and the kids right now by joining Wondery Plus. So they'll go back inside and it's like tents in the kitchen cause everyone's back in there, you know, tents between Lindsay and Carl. It's tense between Kyle and Amanda. And then now Jesse excuses himself cause he's going through it because he has his like five year cancer checkup on Tuesday and he simultaneously has felt something abnormal on his nut. So Wes goes to check in on Jesse and he's like crying. And it's like so sad, this poor guy,

like the anxiety and Wes is just like saying, you know, you can't run away from this. And he's like nestles Jesse's head into his tummy. And it's just like such a sweet bro moment, you know? Yeah, they're pretty cute. And he's like, you don't have to be okay. And then they become bros again, like start poking each other and stuff.

And Jesse's like, yeah, I'll be fine in two days and hopefully I'll be like, God, I'm such a bitch right now. They start like punching the air and I don't know, it's like bro time, you know? They're like, ha ha, we're bros. So now Kyle wants to go out and everything and Lindsay's like, I'm changing and showering

and putting makeup on is not my journey tonight. It's sort of like, I don't know, job hunting for Carl. It's just not my journey. And Carl's just in club send it like, ugh, by myself, I wanna be by myself, lover boy. So then Lindsay is like sitting on Sierra's bed I don't wanna be by myself, lover boy. So then Lindsay is like sitting on Sierra's bed and Paige comes in and she's like, oh my God, Sierra, Lindsay made buffalo chicken dip,

two batches of chicken nuggets, two pizzas, and she did this all while dressed like an Amish wife. Isn't that so strange? Oh my God, hi Lindsay, didn't see you. I thought it was a pillow. So then kitchen dancing and the girls are like, I'm not going out. Paige goes, I'm not going out.

I was gonna go, but now I'm not gonna go. I'm not gonna go with just the boys. And Sarah goes, there's Danielle. She goes, she doesn't count. Which I'm glad she said that because fucking Danielle doesn't count. She's out there like, come on guys, can't believe these women are treating you like this.

These women don't understand what it's like to have an empire. CEO and founder. Two for one drinks for all the CEO and founders. So the girls go to bed and then we see everyone at the club having a great time. And then it's like three 30 in the morning. And then they like slammed the door open like boom, you know, and they all come in loud and annoying. And I was surprised that Carl stayed out late. Carl normally is embedded by 11 because ha,

I got barriers at like seven. So ha, but he clearly was avoiding Lindsay. So he stayed out till 3.30 in the morning. Yeah. So then Kyle, of course, still not able to ever read a room, walks right into his wife's room, or his room with his wife, who's complained all season that she hates the most about him, that he comes in literally at 3.30 every morning,

wasted, and wakes her up. Walks into her bedroom at 3.30 in the morning, wasted, and wakes her up. Like, doesn't just come into the room and wakes her up, walks into her bedroom at 3.30 in the morning, wasted, and wakes her up. Like doesn't just like come into the room and wakes her up, comes in and is like, Amanda! Amanda! And she's like, Kyle!

She pushes him away. So now it's the morning, people are waking up, Wes and Sierra kissing, Wes is telling Sierra that Jesse is like, you know, apprehensive about his cancer checkup. And then Carl and Lindsay are in bed. And Carl's, oh, these pills absolutely suck. What are these? These pills like do not respect what I've built. I would have done for my family. Oh,

these pills could use some enthusiasm. So he, so Lindsay's like, okay, can we talk about yesterday? Okay, everybody brace yourself. Here we fucking go again. Lindsay Lindsay versus Carl fight 9078 of the season. Let's do it. So Lindsay, Lindsay being the hysterical shrew that she is says in a totally normal and soft and actually considerate and kind way, I understand your need and want for positive reinforcement and for me to be excited for your career.

I'm like, God, she is so extra. What a fucking unsupportive bitch. Wow. I'm like, have I take it down a little bit. Take it down a little bit, Lindsey, with your quiet voice, okay? And she's like, okay, look, you came in, you said there's no jobs for you at Boussin,

and then you want me to be excited. Like, I'm confused. Like, you're not saying I wanna do this or I wanna do this, and that's what I wanna hear. It's like, this is what I wanna do. Not just I want to do this and you need that's what I want to hear It's like this is what I want to do. Not just like I tried something and didn't get the job, you know He's like, but that is what I'm doing. She goes. Okay, he's like, but I just feel really defeated And it feels like I'm being critiqued in question It makes me feel like I can't do anything right like I can't make a decision without pissing you off and she's like

But why do you feel like I'm pissed off? But also like, what are you expecting when you get start working? Okay. Like you cannot be this delicate in a workplace or okay. So if you think you're going to have an issues with Lindsay, the way Lindsay is talking to you, congratulations, congratulations way to start getting emails that say per the previous email or just circling back or all that bullshit. He is, he is hiding behind this like, oh, I'm too sensitive. Just trying to put it all back on her. And she's like, well, I'll be excited

when you actually do these things. He's like, I just, I feel really defeated. And like what I'm doing, it feels like I'm being critiqued. I already said this, but I'll, you know, I just feel like I'm being critiqued. And she goes, yeah, but like, why is it that you feel that way?

Because you make me feel that way. No, it's like why is it that the words that she says translate to you as criticisms? Why, like that's what she's asking. Yeah, but I wore a red unicorn, and you said that was stupid. I mean, basically making me feel useful, so. You make me feel that way, and so she goes, I don't make you feel anything. So, you make me feel that way.

And so she goes, I don't make you feel anything. You feel the way you feel on your own. I was like, yes, I love like using therapy talk against him. Like, like, see, like this is a, that's such a therapy thing to say. Like I can't make like, no one makes you feel the way you feel. Like that's something you do. And so now he's cornered by therapy talk. Well, that's the trick in gaslighting people, right?

You make people feel like they're crazy, and then they start believing you, and then they go to therapy, and then they learn what you're doing. They learn to see exactly what you're doing, which I think she does at this point. So he's like, you have a communication, you have communication and behavior that affects me, Lindsay.

And she's like, okay, what do you need from me, Carl? I just want you to be pumped for me and excited because I'm at a crossroads in my career. I want softness and I want tenderness. I'm at a crossroads. You're not at a crossroads, Carl. You're not at a crossroads. You're not doing anything. It's almost a year. You're doing nothing. There is no crossroads. You're a salesman, okay? You got fired from selling one thing, then you almost got fired for selling another thing and then you didn't sell things. That's not a crossroad.

It's a road that you're just not on. You're on the side of the road, Carl. You're eating McDonald's on the side of the fucking road, Carl. There's no crossroads here. That would entail driving. You're at the Sonic, okay? You're at the drive-through.

Fuck's sake, man. So Lindsay's just staring at him like, this fucking guy, you know? And she goes, yeah, but I'm doing a lot also. He goes, yeah, that's not lost on me. But I'm not always gonna be like, oh, I'm so excited for you. Oh, but then you patronize me by doing that.

You're just like, oh yeah, I'll say hi to everything. You just said you want her to be excited about everything. And now she's like, I can't be like, yes, everything. You're like, oh, you're patronizing me. Yeah. Wow, this fucking guy. So she's like- I'm just staying calm today because after last week,

I was like, that's too much, you know, and I just get so into it and I get so embroiled in it. And then this week, I literally laughed the whole time because I feel like once I got it out of my system and then I could just see what Carl's doing. And now especially that it seems like Lindsay sees what Carl's doing. It was easy to just kind of back off and then just enjoy it for what it is, which is Carl failing his manipulation. So really, I mean, just so badly. It's just at this point, it's just fun to watch. And Lindsay is so good. It's like she's getting annoyed,

but I feel like she sees what he's doing and she's not giving in. And then she's just like, okay, I'm gonna go party anyway. And that's actually- I see Lindsay as someone who's actually doing the work in the sense of like, she is going to therapy and like taking the lessons, right? Because Carl is saying all the sort of things

that even as recently as earlier in the season would make her go nuts. And she has been calm. She's like, okay, what do you need from me? Like, how should I say this? And then this is not what I can, like, you know, he's like, I need you to be enthusiastic. She's like, I can't be like that all the time.

And so she's like, so that's your expectation for me. He goes, yeah, you patronize. You're not listening to me. There's a difference between like, yes, and like, hey, that sounds awesome. And she goes, did I not say that at any point? There's a difference between like, yes, and like, hey, that sounds awesome. And she goes, did I not say that at any point? And he goes, no, it's like,

I don't understand, let's do this. You know what, how about this? I will put a PowerPoint presentation together and I'll present you with all the different options and we can talk it through. Okay, so I didn't really get what this meant. I could see her face that it was not great with her, what he just said, but then they show the clips

of Stravy making a PowerPoint. And the music went like this. The music went, ah-ksh-ksh-ksh. They didn't even do the boom. They did like a whole bunch of cymbals falling on the floor, ah-ksh-ksh-ksh. I was like, oh my God, not PowerPoint. It didn't hit me, but he is mocking Stravy,

and Stravy, you know, is bringing up another relationship. He's bringing up a failed relationship of hers that she thought was gonna be more, and he's throwing it in her face and mocking how stupid she was. You know, this guy's a piece of shit. And I hope that anybody who's been fooled by five seconds drops the bullshit at this point,

because this is just low, this is just mean. And so she's like, okay, so now you're mocking me. He goes, yeah, exactly. How does it feel? What did she mock you? She didn't mock him. Asking you to get a job is not mocking you, Carl. And asking you to have a plan of action

is not fucking mocking you. And telling you she doesn't want to spend all of her money to open a brick and mortar place for a fucking sober bar. They already have sober bars, Carl. They're called ice cream shops. You fucking dick weed, okay? It's not mocking you. This is mocking you, this.

And also, by the way, he has no track record in business that says that he is someone who would be an authority in terms of opening up a brick and mortar thing. He has no experience in that, so why would he just dive into that, especially when he doesn't have a great track record in business in terms of opening up a brick and mortar thing. Like he has no experience in that. So why would he just dive into that, especially when he doesn't have a great track record in business in general? Like he has to like build that up, you know?

And that's why she's not excited. And so the fact that like he is, the fact that he like perceives her asking tough questions and wanting to challenge him and push him to like not go do something that's safe, but like really just like put yourself out there. He perceives that his criticism just shows how fragile he is with his ego. And he's been able to get away with being like, you know, like, I'm just like, you know,

I'm just like trying my best. And when that fails, the real side of it comes out, which is that he literally mocks her over this PowerPoint thing. And by the way, if you watch that footage, you would see as we see in the flashback, how delighted Lindsay is that Shravi made a PowerPoint. That is her love language. And the fact that he can't actually even do that as a love language gesture for Lindsay is kind of shitty. Yeah, I mean, she's asking for a simple plan.

Not even a plan, she's asking for a declaration of this is what I want to do, right? So anyway, so he's getting mean now. He's got the, you know, he gets that glaze that comes over his eyes when he's being mean. Like we see like the real Carl start poking through, which we've seen for seasons, you know, that he always manages to hide for at least half the season. So we see that poking through those glazed eyes and that's like a glass comes over them. I'm not suggesting he's on drugs because that's what it sounds like when I'm like, he's got glazed eyes. I don't mean that. It's just like the glass comes over his eyes like it's evil call is bad.

So she's like, what's wrong with you? And she's like, why are you so mean? He goes, you literally patronize me to my face. And that's mean. That's mean. Where's the patronizing part? Oh, also someone in the comments said that he in the after show, he was saying that that $20,000 coach, that $20,000 that he spent on a career coach was basically him paying somebody to help him get over the trauma that was caused working for Loverboy. So now he's saying, okay, I wanna go back to Loverboy

and she questions it and he's acting like, how dare you mock me? You spent 20 of 20,000 of our dollars to get over the trauma and you were in the fucking fetal fetal position Yeah, it's she is totally right in the situation like unabashedly So she says I'm saying that that's what it feels like you need to be like you need me to be a yes, man He goes you don't even listen I need softness and warmth because this is such a big thing.

He goes, are you sure that you even wanna marry me? Because I am not always gonna be soft and warm. And he's like, he goes, oh, are you sure you wanna marry me? Because I'm not always gonna be Mr. Nice Guy apparently. I'm always gonna be an asshole to you. Which is him saying, which doesn't have anything to do with anything,

but now he's upset that clearly his nice guy thing that he's been trying to do has been like, we've seen through it now. He's let down his guard accidentally on camera and now he's even angry at her because she got this out of him. She made him look like the bad guy on TV, which is the thing that he's been trying

to avoid the most. Right. And it's funny because both of them are just faking it and they're both admitting that they just fake it. Cause she's like, well, I can't be this supportive. Cause we've seen her all season being like, hey honey, that is great. You have a job interview?

Wonderful. And doing exactly what he wants. And so she's like, so I have to do that all the time? And he's saying, well, yeah. And she's like, no, do you even want to marry? I'm not even that person. And he's like, well, I'm not this person either. So yeah, you two, it's time to just call it, tap out.

She's like, why is it impossible for you just to take it down a notch? Just take it down. He's like, because you only hear what you want to hear. I'm like, you're the one who's complaining that her saying, how about something else? It's a criticism and not soft or warm. And she's like, if I only hear what I wanna hear

and don't listen to anything, then why would I ask so many questions to get more information? He's like, oh, just hold on a minute. A little softness and a little tenderness. And I got some tenderness. Last week I was overwhelmed, but now I'm just whelmed and I need to be overwhelmed. With softness and tenderness.

Overwhelming bro. Put your softness and tenderness on me. Ha. I want so much tenders that people are offering me honey mustard to dip them into. And then Lin, I can actually do that. I just made it last night for everyone.

Lindsay's like, finally she goes, you want softness and tenderness, but we're adults, Carl. We need at some point to realize that things aren't always gonna be butterflies and rainbows. I'm going into the bathroom. I've just been emotionally abused, America. And he goes into the bathroom

and we just get a closeup of the door of poor Carl in the bathroom. He's just a close up of the door of poor Carl in the bathroom, you know, who's just been completely terrorized by a woman. Finally, something soft and tender, Charmin toilet paper. So, Lindsey just walks out like, oh my God, this fucking guy. So meanwhile, in the backyard, in the pool, like Wes and Jesse are hanging out,

people are just hanging out and Wes is talking about how Jesse had a, you know, had a hard cry. It's hard to fuck after you have a cry like that. And then Sierra is like, oh, hey Sierra. So they're just like talking, hanging out. And Jesse just talked about how it's really hard, you know, like you can work so hard in life. And then God looks down on you and just says like,

I'm about to fuck up your whole life right now. Yeah. So then Carl and Lindsay, more tension in the bedroom. So now Carl's packing. And Danielle and Lindsay are talking. So Lindsay's like, OK, we're going to hang out by the pool, right? And Danielle's like, oh, you know, I don't know.

It just felt natural. And basically, Danielle asked if Carl's OK. And she's like, no, because I talked to him about the conversation in the kitchen yesterday and he just wasn't having it. And he was like mean and rude. So then we see Carl. So Carl, while they're having a conversation.

I'm surprised that Danielle didn't call him right there and be like, hi Carl, it's me, CEO. I just wanted you to know I support you and I am here for you. Hi, this is Danielles, EO and founder. I have a 4.30 available for which I can say I'm here and can support you. Also have a four o'clock, a five o'clock,

five 30, six 30, six o'clock, really anytime. For one, for English press one. Also to pick me press one. Also to pick me press two. Also to pick me press one. Also, to pick me, press one. Okay, also to pick me, press two. Also to pick me, press three. So Carl is past aggressively packing. He's like packing a suitcase. Like, oh, I hope I'm not folding the shirt too loudly

so people can hear that I'm packing because I'm mad right now, softness and tenderness. And so. And this is the sound of white jeans going into a suitcase miserably because they can't get any tenderness or softness. It's amazing how you can use so much fabric softener and still knock out the softness you need. Take that smuggles.

So, so downstairs, meanwhile, in terms of the other fragile male, Kyle feels defeated and it's all because of Amanda. So Paige is like, okay, well, what did you say yesterday, Kyle? He's like, well, she basically was just saying, hey, I wanna pursue something that makes me happy and I'm like, okay.

And you don't want that for her? That's the literal line, which is so funny. He's so miserable about it. And I love, she wants to perceive something that makes her happy, and I'm like, okay. And I just love Paige quietly cross-examining him. And you don't want her to, do you notice the little in my voice

suggesting that you're being ridiculous right now and all of America can see it and they're laughing at you through me, I am the vessel for America right now. Do you understand that? Does it feel good to go poopy in your pants? Does that feel good? Do you want an apple juice?

So he's like, I mean, of course I want her to be able to do that, but like, I just don't know how else to put it. Like, if I were more involved, the business would be in a better place. It's that simple. The only reason why Loverboy is tanking right now is because Manda's waking up at 10 a.m.

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then wouldn't you want her to find something that makes her want to get up at the morning at 7 a.m. and work really hard? Cause she wants to feel like she accomplished something and did something on her own. I mean, yeah, if that's what she wants. She's like, yeah, she's not gonna do that. If you don't support her,

she's just gonna keep going into a deeper shell. And he's like, I don't think everybody really appreciates what's going on. So now Sierra joins in and she's much more direct. Oh, did Amanda say she's gonna quit Loverboy? He's like, no. So what are you up in arms about? You have to understand.

That was so funny. I like when she walks in and she goes, so what are you guys talking about? And she goes, Crowling Amanda. She goes, wow, real shocker there. Yes. And so she's like, you know, you have to understand.

She is so wrapped up in your entire world. I mean, things are so bleak for her. She dragged us to an old Navy. Okay. And we went there for her to support her. I tried on a dress with flowers printed on it. I had to pretend I was like Molly Sims in 2003, dancing to KC and the Sunshine brand in one of their commercials.

I actually went to a store called Lindsay Navy. So Sarah's like, look, everything is about you. Like what if she had something that's just for her? I don't think of Loverboy as mine. Like I think that it's ours. Like I think that's what we've been working towards building our future. I'm like, it's literally called Loverboy. It's think that it's ours. Like I think that's what we've been working towards building our future. I'm like, it's literally called Lover Boy.

It's not called Lover Girl. It's literally, Kyle, it's you. You. In a camp. You didn't have to quit your job to go work for her company. She had to quit her job to come work for your company, Kyle. It's always your thing.

So Kyle's like, well, I'm not happy either, but no one's asked me. We don't have to, Kyle. It's always your thing. So Kyle's like, well, I'm not happy either, but no one's asked me. We don't have to, Kyle. You've got a mullet and you're drunk every fucking second of the day, Kyle. Okay. We know. And I love that Sierra is just like, just has no patience for this. She's like, you know, she needs stuff that's going to be potentially that's going to make her happy. And she needs to find her own identity outside of her relationship with you.

Because if she's not truly happy, then you're really going gonna be working with nothing. Like you're already working on fumes with her. She's gonna be down to zero soon. So she's like, if you wanna talk about not being happy, then that's a conversation too. And he's like, all right, fine, I'm just gonna quit and we can be DJing going to her then.

By the way, last week I was saying, he's gotta be kidding. Like that has to be something where he's going, well, guess what I wanna do? Ride a fucking pony in the sky, last week I was saying, he's gotta be kidding. Like that has to be something where he's going, well guess what I wanna do? Ride a fucking pony in the sky, you know? But no, he really wants to be a DJ and tour around. Someone said that he was just DJing somewhere and Amanda was there supporting him. Wow.

I think, I think I read that. But wow, I just never know what's a joke on this channel anymore. I'm completely ruined by this channel. I can only imagine what his remix of getting jiggy with it sounded like. So Sierra's like, I like big bustin' I cannot lie.

I will always love you. Wow, it's a weird remix. He wants to hear the Journey remix. Don't stop belie stop believing like Amanda. So, so Sarah's like, you're not even thinking about her well-being or even her as a person. She goes, that's bullshit, I can't do this anymore. So Kyle, the adult starts to walk off in the tantrum

and he's like, I don't want to have this conversation in five years that she's leaving you. You're starting that slippery soap, Kyle. So she's like gonna I don't want to have this conversation in five years that she's leaving you. You're starting to have slippery soap, Kyle. So she's like, gonna get so unhappy. And Sierra's like, yeah, she's gonna get resentful, Kyle. Yeah, and you're gonna lose your marriage, what? Because of a company? You're really, you know, you're at a big crossroads

unlike Carl, who's still on the side of the road. At least you've made it to a road that crosses this road, Kyle, okay? But can't you just make her more confident? And Carl's like going upstairs like oh really? This was gonna bring happiness and confidence. I just think it's more confident more complicated than that It's the worst thing in the world that she goes off and she doesn't work for Loverboy You're acting like it's the craziest thing in the world. You know what I'm gonna do

I'm gonna hire another creative director and everything's gonna be perfect I'm like, yeah, that sounds like a great plan actually. Get another, get a creative director, you'll be set. You're fine. Yeah, who are you threatening us with a good time? Like what the hell, dude? And so Tierra's like, yeah, you're selfish. So they're basically not letting him off the hook, even though he's stomping around crying

and acting like a child. And so he's like, it's bullshit. And they're like, it's not about Loverboy. Loverboy could take tomorrow. And he goes, Loverboy. Loverboy could tank tomorrow, and he goes, Loverboy is tanking. They're like, oh, that's kind of funny actually.

Wait, hold on, let's laugh. Oh my God, you heard Loverboy's tanking? That's hilarious. Okay, we're back. Okay, well do you want her to be Leonardo DiCaprio going down with the orchestra, or do you want her to be Kathy Bates on a lifeboat? Oh, I want her to be Leonardo DiCaprio.

Is this a trick question? Yeah, of course I want her to be. Who wants to be Kathy Bates? So Paige is like, you can't even notice that she fucking hates her life, okay? She's upset, she wants something herself. She wants to service the community of big-breasted women, okay, she wants to service the community of big breasted women. Okay? She wants to be confident.

When are beautiful, thin, big breasted blonde women ever gonna get a leg up in this world, Carl? I mean, Kyle? Someone say something that didn't really sound very soft. Baby the hero. Kyle's like, I will never stop anyone from being happy and following their passions.

Well, that's what you're doing, dummy. You're also doing it in a bucket hat. So think about that too. Oh my God, sobbing in his tie dyed pink bucket hat. You guys are simplifying the shit out of this. And Sierra's like, she compromises on everything for you, Kyle. Everything. She's the reason you even have Loverboy, stupid.

And now he's really like, wow, what? So now he's like, I ain't got no one to say that. So he leaves and he goes to literally sob. And Sierra's like, you are such a brat. You have no idea what you're fucking talking about. Which is the toxic male thing to do when confronted with hard truths, to be like, you don't know what you're talking about.

I'm the man, I know things you don't understand. It's more complicated than your simple female mind can understand. So Paige is like- Oh God, wipe the snot off your bucket hat. Yeah, so Paige is like, you act like we don't know what you're talking about, like it's too high level for us.

We watch you cry, is that too high level? I watch you cry, okay, don't talk about me being high level when you can barely reach the kitchen countertop, okay, Kyle? So then he goes to the bedroom and starts sobbing, and Paige is like, oh my God, he's such a little boy. So they just go out and they're like, hi everybody. You know, they're all like, what's up? What's next? And so Wes is like, how's Kyle Beast?

And she goes, well, he probably won't be talking to me. And he's like, just cook him a bit. She goes, yeah, I mean, he's just so dumb. He's just like full price for just jeans. Did you know that you could buy jeans at Lindsay Navy for like $10? You're around. It's a weird world out there.

That's why I'm like, Amanda, just go out there. Go to New Jersey, drink some Coronas in the backyard and just make some shit. Because if Lindsay Navy can make it, so can your weird bikini dreams that we pretend to support. It's just so old fashioned. I'm like, why don't you just go turn on the tube TV

and watch some Lindsay Yeller? Jeez. Then Paige tells us, you know, Kyle always says Amanda does nothing. She's lazy. She does nothing for the company. So why are you freaking out that she might potentially leave?

Maybe just like thought she could leave, just have that thought. You're probably scared. You probably scared her into not leaving, which is actually really making me really mad at this moment. Also, like again, I went to Lindsay Navy for her. This is like so, I'm furious. This is against my brand.

You know, and that's partly her fault for not getting him used to it, you know? So that's why I call Craig, hold on, hold on one second. Chicken, hi, chicken. Hey chicken, I'm leaving you. Chicken, hi, chicken. Hey chicken, I'm leaving you. Oh, okay, bye. I'll tell him later, I was kidding, but it's good to keep him on their toes, you know?

So now Carl goes up to Kyle, because Kyle's in his room crying against the wall. He's got his fingers in his eyes, he's like crying, and so Kyle's like, hey bud, you all right? I was packing my suitcase in case you noticed and just as I was folding a non-soft, non-tender shirt, I couldn't help but notice that someone else

had been brutalized by some non-soft and non-tender words. Oh. Listen, and Kyle's like, oh, can I take you later? Can I take you later? Things are going on, but women are saying things to me that are hurting, okay? And it's like people want me, it's like people think I don't want Amanda to be happy, or confident, and Carl's like, be gentle with yourself man, cause you know, listen to what I've seen.

I've seen firsthand the things you've had to go through. They don't understand the risk and the pressure you put on yourself. You know, like Amanda, like what has Amanda done for this guy? You know that Amanda's literally been there side by side doing the exact same, I mean the same things that he's been doing. I see the Instagram.

And also I saw all the things that you had to go to with him when you were talking about how much he traumatized you in your time with him and how much you weren't appreciated by the way acting like Amanda just doesn't appreciate you but you're the only one who appreciates Kyle acting like by the way you're the most unappreciative fucking person of Kyle bro listen i said i wasn't gonna get mad i'm gonna fire your ass again sir listen i see what you have to go through, bro. She doesn't understand what you have to deal with, okay?

You have to deal with employees that are coked up, that don't even show up for conference calls, you know? You have to deal with people who just leave you and then say that they want to draft a business plan and then they never do it. There's a lot in your place, like, ah, Carl, that was you, man. Oh, that's true. Okay, okay.

But I've seen you have to deal with people that you didn't even know if they were gonna be bringing their MacBook into the office. I mean, that kind of person. Yeah, that was also you, man. Oh! All right. The kind of person that would only work for you

if you offered them a piece of your soda business. That's awesome. I'll see you. All right, well it's great working with you. Man is a real bitch, right? Listen, they don't understand, okay? If anyone understands, it's me, because you can't let a company get in the way for marriage.

Or as I like to say, you can't focus on like jobs and job search and careers instead of love. Ha, God, it would be terrible if someone did that. focus on like jobs and job search and careers instead of love. God, it would be terrible if someone did that. When he says, I mean, this is the language he uses, they don't understand. If anyone understands, it's me. I mean, that is just so-

You quit the company. How do you understand? It's also just the language is just such manipulative language. And these two are hilarious that they've run out of people to manipulate. Now that the people that they're used to acting like this around have blown them off and are like, I'm not taking this today. Now they're using this language on each other. And it's funny.

It's like you have no one else to use it on. So here you come. Nobody understands, but me. You couldn't possibly do this without me. Yeah, it is hilarious. I'm like, Carl understands. So Amanda, Amanda's basically just like, I just want my husband for a second to act like, to be a husband instead of the founder of a company. Founder and CEO, quiet, Daniel.

Ha ha ha ha ha. Hipfire. So of course, Carl tries to make it about himself. He's like, I'm having the same thing with time at times with Lindsay. No you're not, Kyle has a company, Carl. You have white jeans. Yes, you have a very metallic luggage,

a very like boxy metallic luggage, that's what you have. So outside Sierra's like, where's Carl? Lindsay goes, pouting. She's like, I tried to bring up the conversation from yesterday in the kitchen and he again got defensive and wasn't having it. He was like, I need you to be soft and tender and be happy. Like, oh my god, what a pussy. Why don't you guys ever tell me about this guy?

So funny, and Gabby goes. I think that soft is a trigger word for you. And I know that's because you just poured your drink on my head when I said soft and you just poured another one. I love that Lindsay is like, you can't even say soft around Lindsay or she'll be you up, you know. And she goes, I mean, like we have stuff to do. Like I'm planning all of our wedding.

I'm doing all of the jobs and now I'm supposed to be soft and tender? I'm sorry, that is unmanageable. I can do a lot, but I will not be soft and tender. No, and by the way, if Gabby knows it, Carl should know it, if we all know it. We all know soft is a trigger for Lindsay. Lindsay is not soft. Summer should be fun, and Lindsay is not soft.

These are the things that we know. That's why he's saying it. He's saying it because he's trying to make it so that she has to break up with him. He's just like, please don't turn me into sand of all. But she's just not doing it. You know, she's like, we'll work through it. He's like, no, please. That's all I don't want to hear is we'll work through it. And by the way, something that's sort of is glossed over here and it's really not, there's not a lot of attention on this, but she is putting together this whole wedding and you know, this is a high profile wedding.

This is a celebrity reality star wedding. There are probably brand deals. There's probably something with Marshall's, probably something with like, you know, Dr. Scholl's, you know, orthopedic inserts, whatever, pizza beach, everything, you know, like all these things. She's putting this all together. She's been arranging the whole gosh darn thing. Gosh, I'm starting to speak quaintly. The whole gosh darn thing, but she is,

it's a lot of work, wedding planning, and he's doing nothing, because it's just a lot right now, you know? It's like so much. There's a lot on her plate, and it's like, no, but there's a lot on my plate, you know?, I gotta like, I came up with this idea, one idea, nothing I'm doing. So um, okay, so now, there's just still going on, you know, like the guys are like, Yeah, we're so defeated. How these women? Okay, so they bro hug, and then Jesse is getting

hungry and you know, everybody's kind of trying to move. Okay, so the girls are hanging out now and Amanda's like this is so nice. It's the first summer that all the girls are getting along and I have to say I 100% agree. It is so nice and this is coming from a gay who just loves women fighting on prom. I mean that's you know we love a good dramatic lady fight with some bobs and some cynical, you know, bon morts, if you will. But this is really nice. This has been really lovely. Well, also this cast is stacked

with just these great strong women. And to see them like putting their attentions to basically schooling these like man babies instead of schooling each other is really invigorating. Yeah. Because I feel like the guys are always in control on this show because it's always about like, oh my God, does this guy like me? Like every season it's like, does he really like me?

Do you think he really likes me? Does he really like me? Does he really like me? And it's nice that it's like, do I really like him? It's nice to see that turned around where it's like, no, wait a minute, what am I winning here? What's my prize? Like I'm the one chasing fucking Kyle.

Kyle's on a fucking bullet, drunk every day, falling down and pissing in a bush. I'm following that guy. Do I want this? It's nice to see people starting to like come out of the haze. It's like when the Westworld robots just kind of like started waking up, you know, and then killing Anthony Hopkins. Spoiler alert. So Kyle comes outside, like, oh, he has like his lower lip out. And Sierra's like, are you OK? Have you found some scotch tape for your ego?

And he's like, I would say on a scale of no to no, I'm a pretty big no. I just want to say, by the way, everyone, I feel sick to my stomach about that conversation and I feel very misunderstood. I'm like, how about your wife, the most misunderstood person who said, I just want to experiment with a side hustle and you threw her basically out to the wolves. So he's like, I understand where you're coming from, a stupid place. And of course I want you to be happy and fulfilled,

which is why I want you to say it, Loverboy, the most happy and fulfilling job on earth. I'm just having a really hard time explaining to you and your friends, everybody, the crossroads, I'm in a crossroads too. No, Carl, real crossroads, what the company's at and where we're at.

But this is what he does. He keeps coming out and crying and then thinks, if he just rephrases what he said, that it's gonna be different, the reaction's gonna be different. He's still saying, hey, no one understands what I'm going through. That's not an apology, dude.

Like, what the fuck? But he just keeps crying, so she has to baby him. And she's like, listen, I think you're crying because these people called you out and you're starting to see that it's not just me. You're starting to hear what I said. And he's like, but I will be there for you. She's like, yeah, you're stuck with me.

And then they kiss. And he's like, I will do everything I can to help you and I'll make sure there's gonna be 30 hours in a day or sort of 24 hours in a day. She's like, oh my God. No, stop ruining my New Jersey drinking Corona design in bikinis, please. So then it's like, okay, great, everything's solved.

So now it's time to pack up and dip out as they say. No, don't say dip out on Bravo. It's bad news. Yeah. Jesse keeps saying like, it's time to dip out. It's time to dip out. It's time to dip out. So Carl is sitting on a sofa near the front door and he's like twirling his foot. Like he's doing that thing like,

ha, I've been running for like two hours actually. I've been really wanting to leave. But I'm making a huge sacrifice by sitting here and waiting for Lindsey down for pool day. Cause I'm actually the more responsible and better person here. I'm at a crossroads of trolling my foot and wanting to go into the chaos. So then, you know, Wes goes and tells Sierra they're going to go horseback ready. But now we get to the fun stuff. So they're up, Carl Lindsay are upstairs and Lindsay's packing and Carl's like, Hey, so you're going to go to the dockers, which sounds like Lindsay's packing and Carl's like, hey, so you're gonna go to Dockers?

Which sounds like it's like a club somewhere like in Montauk. And she's like, yeah. He's like, well, we hadn't talked about it so I was just like trying to understand what your plan was. I'm so fucking passive aggressive, like just right out the gate, so passive aggressive, this guy. I also just have to say,

they are in the widest place in the world if they even hang out in a place called Dockers. Of course they do Of course they fucking do Yeah, I just like want to decompress and just like chill and then like make my way back to the city Oh, oh, oh, whoa. Whoa. Whoa. You know, hopefully when you're there you can order a side of wait for it tenderness Softness maybe a little side of softness becauseness because I guess I'm gonna drive back alone. Yeah, why the fuck would I wanna get back in the car

with you, you fucking baby? How about you accuse me of more shit and call me a monster a little more on TV? Why the fuck would I wanna drive back with you? Get outta here. I would go to the Dockers, but I just looked up their menu on Yelp and apparently there's no soft serve or chicken tenders.

So nothing for me there apparently. Just a lot of hard seltzer. So he's like, I guess I'll try back alone. And she's like, I don't think it's fair to make me feel guilty about wanting to go. I was like, well, you clearly didn't consider me when you decided you were not gonna be in the Kia. Whoa.

I mean, if you're gonna do the Docker theme, and you decided you were not gonna be in the Kia. Whoa. Oh, god. I mean, if you're gonna do the doctor thing, I guess I'm gonna just head out there. So she's like, okay, well, how about I just put my stuff in the car? And he goes, oh, you're putting it in our car? Really? You're gonna put your stuff in our car? Yeah, because you're driving the car home.

Oh, okay, I'm just trying to understand, which by the way, that's his Oh, okay, I'm just trying to understand, which by the way, that's his passive aggressive language. I'm just trying to understand when he already understands exactly what he's talking about, but he's just like, I'm just trying to understand because what you're saying is so ludicrous and it takes a real genius like me to be able to decipher the cockamamie bullshit

that comes out of your mouth and you're so lucky that you have someone like me who can even have the patience to understand the stupid plans because they don't make any sense whatsoever. Anyway, I'm just like trying to understand. You're like going to get into like Danielle's car when we have a perfectly big Kia and you're not like being in the Kia with me

when we're trying to land a Kia in the one. So it's just you, you're gonna get in the car but not the luggage. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. From the top, from the top. Luggage in the car, you not in the car, but me driving, like am I supposed to have a conversation with the luggage? I don't understand. So I'm just by myself in the car?

And she's like, um, why is this a fight? And he goes, oh, this isn't a fight. And she's like, okay, so are you upset that you're driving home alone? He's like, oh, I was hoping we could be together, but I understand that you want to do something else. Yeah, you're a fucking asshole. Bye. That's go have fun trying to villainize somebody else the whole way home. Okay. Maybe you, maybe you can offer like another woman a ride, you know, give someone else a ride around the rink.

It's just his passive aggression. He's like weak passive aggression. This is just straight up someone who often engages with this exact kind of passive aggression, which is why I up aggression. And I say this as someone who often engages with this exact kind of a passive aggression, which is why I get so angry, because I basically see myself in it, right? So he's like, oh yeah, okay, no, I'm not mad. I'm not a fight, I'm just trying to understand. I guess I had this thought that would be a happy couple who love each other driving an Ikea on the highway,

but you had an idea that you would rather be with other people, and I didn't realize that you would rather be with other people, and I didn't realize that you hated me like that. That's fine. It's on me. It's on me. Oh, it's on me. Sorry. It's so funny watching him deflate because here we go. It's yet another, what is this, at least the third in a row that he has tried to poke at her when they get to the house to make her lose it for the cameras, and she hasn't done it. He's tried so hard. It hasn't worked. She's walked away hard, it hasn't worked. She's walked away from every fucking fight

and now she's like, you know what? I'm just gonna save us both and just drive with Danielle. He'll need to work through it in his mind. And now he's even trying to use that and start a fight on the way out and she's not giving him that. So what does he do? He leaves without taking her luggage.

This guy is the worst and she still doesn't lose it. She just goes, Oh God, fucking Carl and puts the bag in Danielle's car. He is trying so hard and it's just blowing up in a space. What a loser. And he's like, Oh, I guess I just have to drive back myself. I'm like, you do remember that you had a storyline this season where you came out a day later to avoid the Friday fights. Like you can do the drive by yourself. Exactly.

Now is it that, because you were really looking forward to like tear into her off camera? Is that what was going on? I don't know. So Lindsay has to do it. Listen, we know that the one thing Carl has only ever been consistently good at on this show is gaslighting.

And now he's even bad at that. I mean, that's even failing now. So good luck to you, sir. Well, he just maybe wants her in the car so that way they could, I don't know, it's gonna come up with some sick diss about like gaslighting and getting gas for the car and her gas card and I realized it was bad so I stopped it.

But I gave you a behind the scenes look at how bad it was. But he's muttering. BTS of joke fail. Yeah, BTS of joke fail. Ronnie, I he's muttering. Ronnie, I just need you to be a little softer, a bit more tender about my bad joke about gaslighting and gas cards. But if I, if I tried to explain all my bad jokes, we'd literally be here five years. I do not have the time, but it is so like,

this is such a dick move that he's going to drive off and then like, she can't put the luggage in the car. Like he could be mad. He could be mad and be like, we'll talk about this later, but to just to drive off. And then she has to cram it into Danielle's tiny ass Mini Cooper that she's named Cacio and Pepe because it's black and white. Like, okay, I've had enough. If this is the quality of your founding and CEO-ing, consider this Shark Tank offer revoked. Are you going to take a Cacio Pepe back to the city?

So yeah, that's him. He's a mean person, you know? And Lizzie has moments too where she can be a mean person. But it's not the marriage where the mean works together. Sometimes I think it's better to have one mean and one nice and those blend better. I find in my family that always works. But he just canceled out. We can't both be mean.

He just canceled out everything, okay? The thing that the pro-Carls have been holding onto was Lindsay, the beginning of the season, twice in a row, two weekends in a row, saying, accusing him of still being on drugs, which is a really big thing. That was her meanest moment of the season. But now he has done something extraordinarily like blatantly mean over

something so stupid, which is that she wants to go and like decompress with friends. Yeah. Yeah. So he'd lost the higher good riddance. Have fun. Have fun loser. So she's out and she's just, it's so funny how dumbfounded she is. So she's talking to us and she's like, I'm just like asking for a couple of hours and you can't even take my suitcase home. Yeah.

What? Like she's literally so confused. It's really funny. So then a not funny part, Jesse goes to get coffee with his mom, Cheryl, and they talk about what it's like to have cancer possibly being back at their door after everything they've gone through,

and it's a lot, it's sad. It's very sad and scary, and he's just very anxious going into his check, and they just sort of like talk about how hard it was in the previous cancer experiences, et cetera, and the mom's traumatized. So then we go to horseback riding date with West and Sierra. Yeah, they get to this stable and there's a sign that goes,

whoa, I don't know why. There's just a sign that said, whoa. So- A Romano singer stable. Whoa, okay. You want to ride this horse? Her name is, sorry. And this one's name is okay.

Okay. So West is talking about how he's normally so selfish in life and he normally like backs out of relationships and Sierra's the one he's liked the most so far since whenever and just like, he just wants to make sure he's like forward and honest when the time comes, yada, yada, yada, which also made me think like, if there was a situation where Wes was sleeping around and he was hiding it from Sierra, was that what he was referring to? He says, I just wanna make sure I'm forward and honest when the time comes and they're trying to make it seem like he wants to be emotionally honest.

I don't know, that's my conspiracy theory. But I'm also like kind of, I'm like really over the thing about the guy who is like afraid to commit and is scared by relationships and then wants and wants a like a trophy when they decide that they actually like someone that they haven't run away. Like congratulations for being an adult. Like I don't think you get more like you're doing a favor to the other person. Right? Yeah. Well, you know, normally I'm not with anyone,

but she's the closest I've come. Like, oh wow, what a lucky girl. You get an extra punch on your subway card. So they ride horses. Sierra's all excited because it's a horse date and it's like, you know, it's like really hitting her soft spot. It's like finding out something that means a lot to her

and taking her to do it. And so he's doing the thing where he's gonna lift you up and then be like, but I don't want a commitment, you know? It's like, I just can't with this person. And I'm not saying, look, I don't think he has to be like, oh my God, I like Sierra, we need to get married. I'm not ever gonna call anybody ever again or date anybody else and this is it, we're in a relationship.

But his whole thing is just like trying to get sex. You know what I mean? And there's that thing when you date people where back in the old days, it used to be like, don't give away, why would I buy, why would I, what is it? Why'd I fuck a cow and I get the milk for free? What is it? Why'd I buy the cow and I get the milk for free or whatever? It's like an old grandma saying, but you know, then you don't give the guy what he wants right away and then he just fakes it longer. And then you fuck him and then he still just dumps you right away.

So I don't know that I've subscribed to the whole thing of like, you know, don't sleep with the guy or whatever. It's just, I think hookup culture has taken it so far to the other way that it's like, now you're just expected. Gay culture has had it forever where it's just fucking. You don't even know the other person's name. I mean, if you even go on a date, that makes it very special, at least in my experience. And so I think, and that's a lot of older experience too, not necessarily the same,

but you know what I'm saying? I think that hookup culture has taken it so far where it's like, we're so proud and we can have sex with whoever we want, which is great, but it's like we've taken all the emotion out of it to where now it's weird to have any emotion about it. And it's not, it shouldn't be weird to have any emotions when you're like creating a love story with somebody. Yeah. So West is like, you know- That was a very long way of saying a very simple thing,

but bugs me, sorry. So West is basically like, you know what? Like we should go, I wanna, we should go somewhere. Like we should go, go like Thanksgiving. Let's come home from you on Thanksgiving, you know? And this I think immediately lands on Sierra's radar. Like she has been to the Luke, the school of Luke's travel agency where he's like,

oh, you gotta come to Minnesota, come to Minnesota. I'm in love with you, come to Minnesota. So she's heard the like come like the, the, the invitations, the hollow invitations to join the family. And I think this is what this what pings her. And so she's like, so what's your objective here? Like, you know, cause I want to be married with kids eventually. So I, I date intentionally, you know, and I'm just like not interested in throwing time into a relationship that's just fun. And he's like, um, well, I mean, I don't have a perfect game plan of moving forward,

but like I've gotten, cause I've like often gotten this place in a relationship and then stopped. So that should make you feel special that I haven't stopped yet, you know? And like my whole life is kind of like, okay, like I get to a point that I tiptoe out, you know? And like my whole life is kind of like, okay, like I get to a point that I tiptoe out of relationships

because they frighten me. And like, you know, I always, I'm scared of dating. I'm like, you don't get a, you don't get brownie points for announcing that you're going to tiptoe out because you are still gonna tiptoe out of this. Like you don't, you don't get brownie points for doing that, you know?

You're also on Bravo. We've seen this like nine zillion times. You're the template for every fucking guy on Bravo. We've seen this like nine zillion times. You're the template for every fucking guy on Bravo. You come on and you talk in your fucking baby voice about you just been so hurt, you just can't be in another relationship, you can't commit. You're on TV, you're going to get laid more than ever, and you don't want to have to deal with having a girlfriend, and you don't want to have to deal with the villainy of leading

somebody on. So good for you for being honest, but you're still being a douchebag here by taking her on a horseback riding day, acting like you want something romantic when you don't. And also you came on here saying, oh, well, I can't, I need to have my life more, more in shape before I really start dating someone. Like I don't even have a job. Well, now you do have a really good job and you're still coming up with some other fucking excuse.

So stop wasting people's time. You know, she wants more so stop just trying to fuck her and that's all you know She wants more than that. So fucking do move on douche because he's saying all these kind of like empty things He's like, I'm just like afraid to give up being single cuz I've always been so He snaps. What does that mean? Well, you were like in, you were like doing jazz hands somewhere. Like, it's like, I'm just afraid to give up my hobby of snapping. Right. I'm just afraid. I'm just, I'm just afraid to give up my habit of doing West Side Story, but all the parts by myself off rhythm.

Exactly. And she's like, well, what do you want? And he's like, well, I mean, I could see you as my girlfriend, but like not tomorrow because I obviously I want to get my shit together before we really lock some shit in. And then she's like, well, how long does that take? You know, it's like all unraveling for him. Like it's all becoming clear that this guy doesn't have any intentionality the way that she says she wants intentionality. And even though I love this, I love West, but like he is totally saying things that say this is not someone who is serious right now and it's not worth

Putting in the emotional investment just to see it's telling you we always say Maya I must have Maya Rudolph Maya Angelou said when people show you who they are Believe them and he literally said I like to tiptoe out of relationships at this point So she's like I am hearing you and now I'm considering this and I don't know if we should go any further. Yeah, I mean, he's told her this a million times and it's not like it's the first time she's heard it or the first time that she's had that realization.

It's just that he keeps doing the thing that makes him not great in my opinion is that he doesn't just tell her the truth. He tells her the truth and then he comes around and he gives her a bunch of other horse shit, like literally's go on a horse date which I know is gonna like really touch you. So which is it? You can't you're saying one thing with your words in a different it's very Tom Schwartz right now. It's very every guy on this channel. I mean wow okay so um she's kind of on to it like you said and he's like well I don, I don't wanna date right now, but I mean, maybe, I mean, it won't take me forever,

but I don't know, but I don't think you wanna date right now, right? And she's like, yeah, but I'm also not into this roundabout. I need to get my shit together. And that's why I'm not jumping to get into bed with you because this has happened before and I will catch feelings and I'm not gonna look stupid again. And he goes, okay, so we're on the same page, right? Right.

I'm going to blink a lot and do this one, you know, do my head like a little, you know, dog waiting for a treat. Right? She's like, uh, no, she's like, you win. She's like, yeah, well it's the getting your shit together part is annoying. It's like, what does that even mean? And she was like, you know, you have this kind of like touch and go thing, like be close, but not too close. Like, are you talking to other girls? And he's like, damn bro, I mean, I haven't cut off every single chick,

I've ever texted before, I can't like do that. And she's like, well, let's just be respectful of each other and like, if you're talking to other people, then the idea of us talking about Thanksgiving and being cute, let's just like save that. And she's totally right. She's like, it's fine if we're not exclusive and we can talk to other people,

but don't start like throwing these things that sound like we're in a like a committed relationship around, don't start talking about Thanksgiving and meeting the family when you're actually not in the place of being serious right now. Yeah, I don't get this whole thing. Like why is it so weird that if you like somebody that you would not see other people It doesn't mean you're committing like what is this? What is this time limit of like?

Oh my god, but but what if I start dating? I have to I have to see like as many people as I have to fuck as many people as I can before that It's just such a weird like Addiction you if somebody likes me, but I know that they're fucking five people, I'm not attracted to that. Sorry. I don't think that's the craziest. I don't think that everybody has to be like me and I'm certainly not slut shaming anybody, but why is it so weird to be like, Hey man, I really like you. So I'm not going to fuck five other people this week.

Yeah. And I have to say that like, uh, I know everyone has different experiences, but like when I met Dom, for instance, I was talking to so many people. I met Dom and I, from the jump, I was smitten with Dom and I was like, I don't want to talk to anyone else because I don't want for one second for that to fuck up anything. Because I was like, this one's like a keeper.

And I kind of feel like if you find that person that you're like, this one's a keeper, this is. Because I was like, this one's like a keeper. And I kind of feel like if you find that person that you're like, this one's a keeper, this is someone that I really like, this is something I want to pursue, you don't even care about the other people. And you don't want to care about it because you don't even want to mess up your focus. You're like, you want to like, you are starting that fire,

you're putting kindling into that fire and you're not trying to light matches all over the place. Right, like you're trying to impress the person and show them how much you like them and wanna be with them. And that energy comes through. I don't understand this, yeah, and I don't understand this whole like,

well I like you but you're not fucking with me so I have to fuck multiple people. You know, I just have to constantly keep fucking, it's weird. And I think that's a total red flag. It's not the fucking part, it's the inability to not be getting validation from multiple people at one time because you may not be giving me exactly what I want in that moment.

You know, that's like a huge red flag for your future with that person. It's the second you don't wanna have sex or the second you're not in the mood or the second you've got something going on in your life that they're gonna use as that excuse to go fuck around and to be totally selfish. It's a selfish, and he's admitting he's selfish,

but he's doing it in that cutesy way to try and win someone over. So I don't know, I don't have time for this fucking guy. And neither does Sierra. We can see Sierra sort of getting the ick in that moment. So then we go back to Jesse, and he is with his mom, and they've just just gone to the doctor and it seems like it was not a good day and that they did an ultrasound and he calls up West and Weston Sierra driving back and he basically says that like he felt something and the doctor felt something else and both things were abnormal and so they did an ultrasound and now they have to wait for the results. And it's just like, oof, I don't know, I like, oh, it made me, it stressed me out.

It made me, that is such a tough thing to be in. And so that is the, basically like that's the end of the episode is him waiting and hoping for good news and West and Sierra talking about how Jesse is like really trying so hard to be emotionally detached from it and being goofy when it's like a really scary situation so hopefully it's okay. I haven't, I don't really know in real life what's happened with him but we're gonna find out

next week but. Well kind of the rumor with him right now this week has been like he's, him and Amanda are really flirty and people in Crappy Hour this week were asking like, oh, do you think they're getting together because they have all these like flirty Instagram lives and stuff and they have really good chemistry and I don't know, but I'm rooting for it.

Run Amanda, run girl. I fully support that. Wow. I think, even though Jesse can be kinda douchey too, but at least he's upfront about it. Okay, well, we'll keep tabs on all situations and report back as soon as we know anything about anything. And in the meantime, everyone, thanks for being here

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