Watch What Crappens - #2453 Summer House S08E16 Reunion 1, Part One: The Mild Child West

Episode Date: June 10, 2024

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["Once Upon a Beat"] Guess what happens with this? So much that happens Guess what happens with this? So much that happens Guess what happens with this? So much that happens Well hello Welcome to Watch What Happens I'm Ronnie and that's Ben. Hi Ben Hi Ronnie, how are you?

Good, welcome home Welcome back to Merck, Ben You too, you too, Ronnie. We just jet set it and took a trip of a lifetime for a European tour. And we just got back a couple days ago. Still jet lagged. I woke up at 330 in the morning today and I went an extra scientist because in Italy everything is up hills and stairs and walking and guess what I did it and now I woke up and I'm like I'm gonna walk some more what about that so thanks Italy.

Good for you that's great I woke up also around 3 15 and then I sort of laid in bed for a while and I finally went back to sleep and I woke up again it was a spotty night of sleep but you know what I'm gonna push through because because anything, I'm someone who pushes through. That's what I am. An American hero, basically. We have, we have an incredible day ahead of us because we are catching up with what we missed last week on Bravo, which is the Summer House reunion and the Valley finale. And we're going to be doing Real Housewives of New Jersey.

Well, it's tomorrow. So we have a really fun day ahead of us today. A lot of screaming and yelling because it's a reunion episode, but it's not a Housewives reunion episode. This is a summer house reunion episode, which is where the men come in and try and act like the little babies that they are, little victims.

Every single one of them is just a victim, everybody. So I'm glad you're here for this. So they're not screaming, they're just extremely passive, aggressive wusses. And so that should be fun. Do you wanna start with anything, Ben? Anything you've got on the top of your mind? I do, I just wanted to finish my thought really quickly

about New Jersey, just as a heads up to everyone. We're not gonna recap last week in New Jersey. We're not recapping last week's New Jersey. We're just going to dive back in tomorrow. In terms of Summerhouse thoughts, well, congratulations, Ronnie. You called it. You said it. You said about West, you called it. Now I will say, I think you deserve a lot of credit. I mean, we all knew he was eventually going to be a fuck boy because it's Summerhouse. I personally was surprised that it happened this quickly. I thought it was not going to be until next season that we got into it, but like the shoe really

dropped. I have to say, you know you've really fucked up. You've really fucked up. When the breakup of 2024 on Bravo, last year was Scandival, this year is Carl Lindsay, we finally have a reunion. They come face to face. There's already so much bullshit spewing between the two of them. And yet all anyone wants to talk about is how Wes treated Sierra. That's how you know you really messed up. I mean, overnight, just crazy. They are going crazy after this fucking guy. And I was actually feeling bad for him for a second because really in the scheme of things, I mean, he did tell us all what he was doing. I mean, listen, I'd love to take credit. I love when people say, Ronnie, you're right.

So it was a great week for that. I'd like to thank everybody who took the time to comment that because, you know, I love it. It was my favorite thing to hear. And I don't get to hear it that much. But I do want to say it is luck and I'm not some oracle. I'm not magical. He literally told us you guys, I'm Maya Angelou that shit.

He was saying it right from the beginning. Listen, it's like they said on Sex and the City, there was a whole book spun off of that. When Miranda was listening to that lady complain next to her on the steps to the fucking museum or whatever. And she just turned to her and said, he's not that into you. He's not that into you. That's all this guy has been saying this whole time. He's a non committal fucking child. Okay, that's what

I don't understand. It's not like I solved some fucking mystery. The guide literally said it, but we just want to believe it. It's like, and I get it, you know, it's why I eat so much, you know, gelato, because it's not called ice cream. And I think that it's going to make me thinner. I know it's not going to make me thinner. Okay, like there's part of me that no, I just want to believe. And I think that that's where everybody was with West. They just wanted to believe that there's this new, fresh, non tarnished Bravo man. Well, sorry, you know, non tarnished Bravo man. Well, sorry, you know, but but also, I have to believe that Bravo intentionally, you know, they built him up to make him look as wonderful and as great as we can imagine that there Europe – a New York Times profile on this guy.

Before we left, remember one of our friends sent us in that clip where the closed captioning was different than the video. The closed captioning indicated that the original thing that Wes was saying on the interview was that, yes, he had been sleeping with other women, but he didn't like, it was something to that effect, or it seemed to indicate that, but the actual clip that that aired was a totally different thing. And in my mind, my new conspiracy theory is, they wanted to give West a really nice edit knowing that it was all gonna come crashing down

at the reunion, because that was what that was what was gonna make people talk more. And like, look, everyone is talking about it. It's like, it's the biggest thing. So I think Bravo intentionally made him look as good as possible. Just that way they could engineer a downfall. Yeah, well, they're TV producers. So there you have it. They did a good job, whatever they did. But yeah, I felt bad for a second because people have just been going nuts on this guy.

And in the scheme of things, as far as I could see, he didn't really lie. I mean, he basically said, I'm not gonna commit to you. I'm gonna tell you I love you. I'm gonna invite you to see my parents. I'm never gonna call you my girlfriend. And you have no shot in hell. I mean, that's what it sounded like to me

that he was saying. Of course, I'm old. And so I've been through this guy many, many times. I've fallen for this guy so many fucking times in my life. I've been this guy in my life actually, where you just are with somebody and you're like, eh, I mean, I like you, but like, there's nothing that's going to make me suddenly fall in love with, I mean, it is what it is. We're like hanging out.

We'd like each other. Like, what do you want from me? I'm being honest with you. I mean, it is what it is. We're like hanging out, we'd like each other, like, what do you want from me? I'm being honest with you. I mean, I've been that guy too. So, you know, anyway, I felt kind of bad. Yeah. But then I did not know when I saw clips of him. Well, I didn't feel bad from when I saw clips of him like standing on tables with girls fans like surrounding him filming him on the phone. And he's just like slow, sexy dancing

and like feeling himself. And I'm like, fuck this guy. Fuck this trashy guy. You know? I don't feel. Yeah. My feeling is basically my feeling is that like, yeah, he was very upfront with the fact that he is afraid of commitment and that usually at a certain point of relationship, he self sabotages or just goes away or whatever. He was very like upfront and aware about it, which by the way, it's like, that's fine to be aware about it. What are you going to actually do about it at this point? Cause it's probably already has gotten old. But also like when Sierra's like, uh, I want to know, are you, is this like, are we going down a serious place or not? And he's like, no, no, no. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I really do like you.

And he brings her out to meet the family and to this place and holidays, whatever. And then it's like, Oh, no, I'm like overwhelmed. I can't do this. That's where it's really annoying. That's where it's because like you had ways out and she even says it will get into it. But like, you had many exit ramps. And yet you still decide to drive the you know, the car into the Grand Canyon anyway. And it's like, like, why did you do that? And like, what's up? So then driving the car into the Grand Canyon anyway. And it's like, why did you do that? And like what's up? Ben driving the car into the Grand Canyon, okay? That was Thelma and Louise taking a stand.

So let's not have- I wasn't talking about their car. I was talking about just some bad driver on the highway. Oh. I was like, let's not take a feminist iconic moment and give it to this bitch. I'm just talking about a Toyota. It's just a Toyota.

Like a Corolla literally just down the hill. It was like a Corolla that could have gotten off at the super eight. And instead just drove into the Grand Canyon. But honestly though, like what's annoying is that now this is gonna make Sierra be like, okay, she'll probably be even more like, before we do anything, I want a commitment.

And then in the society that we live in, it's like, oh, look at that crazy woman. She just wants a commitment. You know, that's the thing with women, they're so not carefree. They always want a commitment. They always want to lock it down so quickly. But it's like, but look at who the women have to deal with.

Look at that. That's bullshit. Like, you know, and of course you can, yeah, you know, in gay relationships, it's there too, yada yada yada. But like, that's like- Men, because it's men. You're dealing with men, that's why.

It's men. Men fucking suck. But it's also kind of what we open it up to. And I think, and I can't speak for women, obviously, because I'm not in that world. But for gay men, I can say, I feel like we open ourselves up to that by having hookup culture.

That's all we have is hookup, hookup, hookup. And so when you want something else, like it's hard for me to even combine the two things. Like, I don't even, it's hard for me to even hook up with somebody I like, because I'm not used to meshing those things together. Like, I'm literally so fucked up from the way that gay culture has trained my brain. And I know that it's not everybody, you guys, you have to remember, I'm like of a certain age, I came up in a very conservative, whatever. I'm not saying it's everybody. I'm saying that me in gay culture,

that's how it's been for me. And so I think that one of the things I really respected about Sierra is drawing that boundary that's like, listen, it's not always hookup culture. It's not always about fucking to every single person. Like some of us still do want a relationship. Like we need that in order to do the sex stuff, you know, and I really like that.

And I feel like she had an out as well at that horse date, because that was when it was solidified. I mean, I've been saying it the whole season, and just because of what he was saying, you know, saying like, this is not the guy, this guy's a fuck boy. But that was the day that I was like, no, this is official, this guy's the worst. Like don't, don't watch, bam, bam. And I think she knew too. And I think that one of the saddest parts of watching it was that we saw, we all saw that she knew at that point and decided to believe in what could be.

And you never, ever believe in what could be. Because- Don't have dreams people. Well, don't, not when it comes to other people. You don't have, you can't make a vision of somebody and then believe in that vision. You have to believe whatever's in front of you. And this guy is a floppy headed little idiot.

He's not that good looking. His mustache is too long. And maybe you guys will come on my side with that now too. The man doesn't even trim his goddamn mustache. He doesn't have a respect for kissing you. The man has 18 year old or 17 year old high school boy hair and he pouts all the time and wears base. So get the fuck out of here with this fucking guy.

We all should have known. And I feel really bad for Sierra because I saw in that episode that she did know and she chose to believe in something that she knew wasn't there. She fucking knew it wasn't there. She knew it. But you know, though, you know, the people are allowed. I think people are allowed to hope for the best. And I think that like when you have someone who is as charming as West, it's like it sucks. It sucks if like you have to go through because of the Austen's in the

West of the world that you have to go through because of the Austin's in the west of the world That you have to like go through life When someone is actually being like sweet and lovely that you have to just not believe them like that sucks Like you should you should be allowed the privilege of believing someone when they they say that best intentions, but he didn't He said I know he said I'm not I don't have commitment I don't have commitment. I don't have this. And when she said, but why is it okay for you

to tell everybody that you love them? When you tell everybody you love them, it makes it less important to me. The way she laid that out for him, I thought was so beautiful. And he was just like, it's no big deal. That's, he didn't. Yep, but you know what though?

He invited her to, like they did go to meet his family and like that's an action. And like one could say like, oh, he put his money where his mouth is. They did go see the family. They did do things. And I think it's reasonable to believe like, okay, he actually has expressed some intention in this. They had sex. He didn't immediately ghost her. It seemed like that still kept on going for like three more months. So she had a reasonable expectation that this was actually a fairly committed situation. And so like it just sucks. It sucks that like that, like she it's gonna just put, it's gonna jade her more. Like it just like she's gonna say now with every future person's like, no, I still like, you know, I like you

can't just believe people when they say they just want to do nice things for you. Well, you can't believe them. I mean, look, and this is the thing. It's not victim blaming. I'm not like she deserved it. She saw it. I'm saying she had the instinct. And I think that she showed us on TV that she saw it. And she chose to believe in this person. And look, when you say we have the right to believe, of course, we have the right to believe,

of course we have the right to believe, but if you see someone coughing, move the fuck away from them. What are you gonna see somebody coughing and then go eat your lunch next to them? No, I don't want your fucking germs and shit after the four years we just went through. It doesn't mean you're a bad person for having COVID

or whatever you have, but have it over there. Don't get it all over me. And if you know you have it and you're still coughing all over me anyway and not wearing your mask or whatever, go fuck yourself. And that's what I say to him, you know, because that is what he knows that this is his thing that he's about to inflict on somebody and he goes out in public and he coughs all over everybody anyway.

He coughs as his fuckboy COVID on the P instead of being responsible and putting a mask on. I have to say though, like I think that, you know, for West, he did learn what it's like when someone makes a promise and welches on it. Because I'm sure his stylist said, don't worry, I'm gonna make you look really good for this reunion. And then he showed up looking like that. So, you know, now he knows what it's like to be burned. How can someone with that, how can someone who's blessed with that much hair, listen, bald people,

do you know how hard it is for us in this life? Do you know, do you know what we'd go through? And you're blessed with this beautiful head of hair and this is what you do? Like you consistently fuck everybody around you over with this haircut. That's all I'd like to say again, you know? Well, he went from the broccoli hair

to like the middle part and the middle part looks actually worse. Where it's really long. And he's wearing this oversized, this oversized like, like cream or beige suit, which I don't know if that's in style or not. But to me, it did not look right on him. This did not look like him. This looked like someone had a vision. He looked so out of his depth. He was just in this oversized suit. He looked like he was at the end of the movie big and nothing like he looked terrified. He looked scared. He had the middle part going on. It was a full flop. And that's that's pretty bad because you also had Danielle that's there Danielle

who literally is the CEO and founder of a startup that tells you what to do. And to say that she's a CEO and founder of something called Don or Donnie. Someone came up to us at one of our live shows in London and said, by the way, my friend works on her app and says that everyone's freaking out. It's a disaster over there. But she looked like a couch, you know, not to steal from, not to steal from Katie Maloney, who stole from someone else, but she literally looked like she was wearing upholstery. And he still looked worse than that.

Oh my God, Danielle looked like the Great Depression. What was she doing? What in the world was she doing? She made me want prohibition to come back. Prohibit everything in Danielle's closet. Okay. Let's keep alcohol. But please stop letting Danielle I know she normally looks great. And somehow she just emerged with this like I don't know the algorithm on her app went way

wrong. And she came out into the stage looking like that. Like what what went wrong Danielle? The algorithm, the entire Danielle app is wrong. Just Danielle is wrong. I don't know when Danielle just fritzed out, but that app has not been updated in more than three years. I can tell you that right now. It's got one star on the app store. The Danielle app. It's got to go. They've got to update it or get it the fuck out of the app store because it's wasting my, what is she even doing now? This whole thing with like, you're a bad friend for tattletaling on something that I did and let you take the fall for what the fuck was that? What is this? So what is this? So I was screaming on the

plane watching the show I could I was dying. It was wild. Danielle ever since I really think that ever since she got out of her relationship, or once her relationship with Robert start going sour, she really has lost her way. She is sort of like, you know, she is like a bad update on the app store. She's like when Facebook changed their, their timeline and everyone got so mad at Facebook. That's what she has. She was like a bad Facebook update. and you have to hit following on Instagram. You know, when you can choose how to display your posts. I never knew about that. Like that works. Up on the top left hand side, the Instagram logo, if you hit that, then a little menu comes down.

And if you put following, it'll put the most recent first. Because I feel like every time I open Instagram, it's people like Danielle who are always at the top. And I'm like, why are these people even on my, who are these people? I don't want them here. And so I figured that out. Anyway, crazy episode.

Let's get into it because. I know we should probably start actually recapping it now that we're 20 minutes into it. But like, it was a thing. And like, honestly, I've been waiting for this moment for several days because waking up on Friday or later. Actually, no, we were ahead of this airing. And so it was like around what was

it like, there was some point where like, all of a sudden, everyone just started, all of Instagram started talking about this reunion. I was like, Oh my god, something happened on Summer House. I can't wait to see it. But now we're here. And, you know, it's traditional opening 532 am people arriving at the reunion taping Lindsay arrives music's like dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun today is gonna be a day. So, um, Danielle, you know, everybody's just getting ready. You know, we see the Jesse arrive. And it's so funny, because

he walks in the dressing room. He's like, Wow, I'm gonna get to hang out with the guys all day. This is going to be so amazing day with the boys. Best day ever. Right guys. Like, Oh, you just you wait, sucka say goodbye to innocence because this is your first reunion. You're about to have five assholes when you walk out. Yeah. You know that Jesse was like, wow, you know, West and I, people love us the best casting, casting choices in like five years. It's going to be smooth sailing today. By the way, I have to say something that has bugged me about something that I said, I think

our last summer house recap, I said that they have not cast like a decent, they have not had any success casting men on summer house since like the first season. How could I overlook poor Luke, Luke from Minnesota. I apologize to all the Luke heads out there who felt like they were not heard. I'm sorry. My name is all the coyotes. I live on the second floor. I live upstairs from you. Have you ever had a hot dish before? you? Have you ever had a hot dish before? Hey, and Andrea, I feel like does not count because he was cast on Winterhouse, not on Summerhouse. So people are

really weird now that he's married, right? He's really changed. I don't know what it is. I don't know if he started getting what he was peckerish. Yeah, I don't know if he got more sign if he's just more leathery. I don't really know what it is. But he looks a lot. Happiness looks odd on him. But congratulations to him. That was really rude. So sorry to start it off like that. But congratulations to him for getting married. That's that's so cool. I'm glad you glad he found his love. See, there's a

man there are men on Bravo who do just want love. That's all that I want. He's like, I want the man to bring home to my mama. He has actually defied expectations because we pegged him as a fuck boy from the very beginning and it felt like what he was doing was a fuck boy was fuck boy behavior but ultimately he kind of wasn't. He like pined after Lexi. Yeah but he was. Lexi to him. And then he was like, Oh, but he left me because I was a fuckboy. So yeah, he was the dream. He's what happens when you confront a lot. You you lay boundaries for these fuckwits. And he actually, it actually worked on him. Yeah, he literally left Summerhouse, I have to imagine that like, I don't think he was fired. I think everyone's always liked Andrea. So I feel like he gave it all up for Lexi

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makeup and everything and there's talking about like, you know, you know, Lindsay's like, yeah, I don't really like looking girl like with emotion. He's just like, I'm buddy in the room. Walls and Gabby really not very soft and tender. Oh, I'm not just a body. I'm a body in my jeans. So let's have some respect.

I'm not just a body. I'm a member of Paris Bootcamp. Okay. Gabby is really overdoing this Lindsay fangirl thing. I don't like it. I think Gabby deserves it better than just being a lackey. And it's bothering me at this point. She's like, Lynn's How do you feel? Lynn's This is gonna be like the first time since Bravo Constance. You've seen Carl How do you feel, Lindsay? Oh my god, Lindsay,

tell us everything. Be quiet, like do your own thing. This is too much. I don't I think Gabby's too good to be stanning somebody like she's better than to be the Danielle part two. I don't like it. I don't like it for her. Yeah. Yeah, we kind of got lost in the mix this season. I feel like she had like one moment with the balloon guy, but she kind of was. Yeah, she didn't really have a presence. I felt like she was going to be. I thought there was gonna be more for her, but you know, it's hard. There's a lot going on this season. It's hard for everyone to have a story, I guess. So now Carl's in the dressing room and the preacher's like, so how'd you prepare for today, Carl?

He's like, well, I've been preparing for like, I feel like the last eight months, honestly. I'm like, just like trying to do like a lot of work. I mean, not like working, but like doing the work. Except like actual work. Yeah, I don't do that. Did you like that he told on himself here when he said, well, I've been preparing

for like the last month, eight months actually. Yeah. Yeah. You sure have Carl. You sure fucking have. You've been laying this groundwork for a very long time, sir. And you're still failing. No, but I'm like trying to like clean up my side of the street hall, which like I'm not actually getting paid for that. It's more like an internship for the sanitation department. So cleaning it up.

And I mean, look, listen, this isn't all on her. It's like mostly on her. It's like, but it's also not all on me. It's really it's it's basically on her, but like a little bit on me, like really all on her, though. And I just feel like we both were responsible for a lot of this, mainly her. Yeah. I mean, basically, she's responsible for being a monster. And I'm responsible for opening my dating life to things that are under my bed.

So, you know, it's kind of my fault. You know what? It takes two to tangle, as I like to say. It takes two to give a really hard hug. So, excuse me. Terrorism takes at least two people. One person to be the terrorist and one person to get bombed. And I'm the person that got bombed. So, you know, terrorism takes two. Thanks for asking. So, so Lindsey's like, yeah, I think he told like a lot of lies. And I think like, it's pretty obvious how much he was like laying the groundwork and planning to use the doughnuts me and Gabby's like, I hope he's shitting his pants right now. Actually, I'm like, I actually hope he's not, just because they're like very white. And I think we'd see too much of that.

So then back to Carl, he's like, oh, there's like things that have been happening since we broken up that just like aren't true. Oh, yeah, I can't wait to hear them. Because it turns out they came from your fucking mouth, by the way. He's like, and, you know, like, I'm struggling to like navigate it, you know, and it's like takes to navigate, you know, like I'm driving the car. And then Lindsay is grabbing the steering wheel. And she's like moving it all over the road until I crash into something and then I have to clean up my side of the street. So yeah, it's rough. And I really feel like I made the right decision and I hope that like someday like maybe she'll realize that was like the best decision for her too but like, you know, it'll take a while because like monsters don't often have a lot of self reflection. That's why they're monsters. So anyway,

here's Carl telling on himself again, just want to submit into evidence that Carl just said, I feel like I made the right decision. And I hope one day she realizes that I made the right decision too, because he's going to spend the rest of this hour trying to gaslight us all into thinking that he never broke up with Lindsay in the first place. But this whole thing is in Lindsay's head. And she's the one who broke up with him because she took it the wrong way. So just just in case anybody felt for that load of horse shit, there you go. Yeah, I also just want, you know, like really like what Carl should just do

is just stand in his truth, which is like, you know what? We obviously weren't looking. You saw it on TV and I realized it and I said, I don't want to do this anymore, we obviously weren't looking, you saw it on TV. And I realized it and I said, I don't want to do this anymore. And I don't see what's wrong with that. If you just like almost says that, I think we'd be like, well, kind of can't argue with that. But it's like, yeah, well, you know, it's both of us. And like, we both had issues. And like, I don't know, it's like hard. I keep my side street clean. I'm like, I don't know, but like, not forgetting to do it. It's like, shut up. Just say it was not working.

That was miserable. Well, and that's the thing. That's you know, this is like typical, typical Carl obviously obfuscation where he is trying to trick us. No one thinks you should have been together. First of all, ever. No one ever thought it was a good idea. Last year when you guys were doing your fake and fake relationship

and your name name, we all knew this was trash. You're both trash. You shouldn't be together. Okay, we all knew it. So no one is mad at you for breaking up. Everybody is so happy that you actually broke up because you should not be together, okay? You're emotional terrorists, the both of you.

The problem is that you're such a fucking liar and you can't just be a standup person and say what you're feeling. You have to try and trick it to make somebody else look like shit the whole time. You can't, and you've done, it a standup person and say what you're feeling. You have to try and trick it to make somebody else look like shit the whole time. You can't, and you've done, it's not just with Lindsay, you do it with Kyle, you do it with everybody you've ever dated on this show.

You're just terrible. It's like, stop fucking over other people. It's like he's getting some sick pleasure from like making everybody think a certain way about someone. We already know Lindsay's crazy. You're the one who's dating her, get rid of it. No one thought you should be together. It's just how you go about it. Yeah. Fucking fuckwit, jackass Carl. Falling for this shit. So now Wes is arriving and he's got his little eye mask things on. He's like, why? He's

like, this feels like a pregame tunnel, you know, right before the championship game, you know? Right? I'm like, yeah, a championship game that you're about to lose miserably. We get it. Yeah. And we get it. You like sports. That's your thing. We get it. Game seven, New York Knicks, first to the Rockets, 1994. That's what you're walking into. Not saying I'm traumatized, but and you're John Starks. I'm just trying to speak West language. Yeah. I don't, I don't really speak that language. But I just every minute he's like, Yeah, I'm in the sports. I'm in the sports. We get it. Have fun scratching your nuts with your friends. Okay, like just keep it off my TV. So we're so angry. I am. Yeah, I am. I don't care.

Like a week of not being able to be angry at people. We've had a week of enchantments. Look at the smile on my face. Do I look angry? This is my joy. I mean, I finally have some, it's like I finally can just let it unleash, you know, and I'm just so happy. It's my hobby, being angry. So everybody calm down out there. Oh, and also all the people getting pissed off at me all the time. Yes, I'm Team Lindsay on this officially, firmly. And that is my right. And if you think that Carl has been abused, which I'm getting a lot in comments, I stand up for abuser. No rewatch this and take your fucking blinders off and stop hashtagging. Boy mom. Okay. I just want you to know that no one did that apparently is sorry, the person who apparently is

most abused is me Ronnie, because someone sent me a message saying, don't let Ronnie abuse you into agreeing with him. I was... I have been fully of this mindset from the beginning. If you go back to the beginning of the season, I have been fully of the mindset of Carl knew what he was getting engaged to, who he was dating, who he proposed to. This has been on Carl the entire time. I'm sorry. It was tasteless what Lindsay said about like cocaine Carl or you still on whatever. But like, I have really been on Lindsay's side this entire time, which is funny because all last season I was on Danielle's side. But you know what? I feel vindicated about that too. You do? Yeah. Let's not re-litigate that, please, because we were on different sides of that. I don't want to go fight about that.

And we've got enough today. We've got enough. But as far as being bullied into thinking what I think, I don't care if you agree with me. Listen, I don't care if anybody agrees with me. I don't need you to agree with me. I have more fun when you don't agree with me. Like, that's why half the time I'll say one thing and you'll agree. And then I'll change my opinion immediately. Just so we disagree. I think it's more fun

when we disagree. So whatever. Well let's let's move forward here to the people coming out onto the set because then it's just we have a bunch of stuff with people just backstage like oh you excited about it. So now Andy is coming out onto the set which is all Italian. It's like that because there was the Italian dinner that happened at one point. So it was pretty much where you were for the past week. It was basically all your photos on Instagram was this set. And Andy's coming out and this episode was supersized and you know it was supersized because they had to fill out the time. So I don't understand why they supersized an episode and then they stretched the content, like just make it a normal hour.

But then we have like 10 minutes of people coming out to the set one at a time and Andy be like, wow, you look great. Love the mid rep. This set didn't make sense to me. It's supposed to be for an iconic episode. The Italy was not an iconic episode. Who cares about the stupid Italy party? It was dumb. Andrea barely did anything in that party. The Who cares about the stupid party was dumb. Andrea barely did anything in that party. The iconic party was the apocalypse party. And it would have been a lot more fitting for this reunion had it been an apocalypse that totally everyone would have had to come in their apocalypse gear. Now that is how to do this season because

this season, yeah, that being a fucking shit show and the end of the world for some of these people, and it should have been set accordingly. I think Andy should have shown up dressed like Tina Turner and Mad Max beyond Thunderdome. He could have had those big like caterpillar earrings and a giant like mullet kind of thing going on and a chain link dress. Yeah it would have been fabulous. I just have one thing to say before we begin this reunion. We don't mean a mama. She has big earrings and he has a huge spearing of Jewish people. It's Mel Gibson.

It's you to turn to their welcome. Mel Gibson, that anti-Semitism is getting pretty big. When did you get that done? Looks great. Looks great on me. Well, much like Carl and Lindsay, two people enter, one person leaves this relationship. Ha ha.

So, you know, everybody comes out looking amazingly hot and the girls, I mean, they're all showing like mid-drip. The girls looked out of control gorgeous. Yes. They were beautiful. Their looks look great. Everything looked great. They looked wonderful.

And Linty has been sitting in. Except for Danielle. Except for Danielle. Bless her heart. But you know, it's not what's on the outside. It's what's on the inside that counts. Oh, sorry, that still sucks. So yeah, everybody comes out looking gorgeous. And I love that the girls did this because the girls are such shitheads on the show. I mean, the season ended where we were like, Oh, my god, the girls are all getting logged. No, they still hate Lindsay, especially Paige, because you know, Paige whips us out at the reunion every year. She's one way in the season.

And then she comes and just unleashes unleashes hell at the reunion, especially towards Lindsay. And she does it every single time. And I thought, wow, it's going to be weird to have a reunion with Paige not doing that. But Paige was like, fuck it, I'm doing it anyway. And the girls on her side all were like, fuck Lindsay's Ariana season, because Lindsay really has been trying to set this up as a scandal moment, which, Linz, sorry, girl, like, it's not, it's just not the same thing.

No one's gonna react the same way. You're not, all right, they're just not the same. But we all knew that Lindsay was going to come out in a version of that dress. She was going to come out in a midriff revenge dress, just like Ariana did. And she did it. And all the other girls were like, we're all doing that. We're not gonna let Lindsay have this moment. Yeah, midriff mafia. Yeah. By the way, did you see the rumors? I mean,

the rumors have happened for brewing, but now they're really strong that Amanda and Kyle maybe split still. Someone on Twitter was pointing out very vociferously that Amanda has scrubbed. She didn't all images of Kyle. She didn't. She didn't know. I looked I didn't see any Kyle on her Instagram. Whoever spreading that is that just the way it always was. No, I fell into this rabbit hole yesterday too, which I think we were doing the same thing like lying in our beds in the fetal position crying and scrolling through Instagram. And I saw that too. But then I followed up on it.

And no, they she didn't. So I don't know what people are talking about. Now there was a do-more thing about Kyle cheating and supposedly, well, not cheating this time. This time it was he was sitting in a restaurant and he was overheard, cheersing his friends. He was giving a toast to finally leaving Amanda or that relationship being over. And supposedly everybody was like, yeah.

But I don't know, I don't believe it. What do you think? was like, yeah, but I don't know, I don't believe it. What do you think? I don't know, I feel like they're gonna be together forever. I think despite any issues they have and all issues of which they do have, I think that like, I think Amanda loves the Fixer Upper and I think Kyle loves his youth.

So I don't know, somehow they, like, it works. Not functionally, but like they, I think they're drawn to each other in their own weird way. I guess we'll find out though, because it is curious timing. I mean, look, it's June 10th. Filming is going to start probably in about three weeks. It's going to be wild this season, because this is the latest that summer house has

ever ended if I can remember, you know, like we are in summer basically, and this show is still happening. So I'm going to be fresh off the reunion stuff. I don't believe that they're broken up. I don't think that they're going to be together forever. I would give them probably five more years. So what is this 2024? I'll give them to 2029, which actually seems so far away. Oh my god, I'm going to be so old that hold on. Let me just take a moment and stop thinking about that.

Okay, brain scrubbed back to the show. So there's a little you just men and blacked yourself. You got to learn to immediately scrub that shit when you watch Bravo enough. Yeah, let's get into it. So everybody's still coming to the set because they take literally 10 minutes. Andy's commenting on everybody's midriffs and Lindsay's like, I'm paying it on honestly, not gonna lie. Wow, I can't believe she would seal my iconic line. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I paid it on. Not gonna lie. Andy, Andy comment on my stomach. Do you like my stomach?

Put your weight on me. That's still mine. It's still mine. Still mine. Yeah, well, Lindsay and I had a really bad breakup. We divided our assets and unfortunately, she took not gonna lie. So I will not tell a mistruth

and say that I do miss saying not gonna lie. It takes two to not gonna lie. So unfortunately, Lindsay's calling for me. Hey, Andy. Hey, Andy, can I get a hug? Can I get a hug? Harder. Squeeze me harder, Andy.

Harder. Tighter, tighter, Andy. So Andy's like, so I'm sure that everybody realizes tonight's set was inspired by anybody? No? No one remembers? Okay, lots of lemons. Nobody. The episode when Dorit made buko de pepo, a room from Kefri.

No, Paige. It's actually based on something you did this year. Try again. Anybody? Lemons? Vespas? Oh, just be generally awesome and like win back the audience and be the one who probably should have had the article written about her in the New York Times but instead it was West. Another trash man, Abrahmah. No, no, I know but it still is something that you did, Paige. Um, let me see, a lemon. Oh, is it Danielle's app? Oh, you won't get a lemon unless you download Daniel's app. Um, well, no, this is actually the remember the Italian, the Italian party you did like at the very beginning of the season. Remember now?

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He's like, oh, Jesse Solomon. Oh, I stood up and cheered after your song. And we see the Jesse Solomon song. Why would Jesse Solomon do? Which, by the way, I'm officially over that song. I've always hated it right now. I heard that song. I didn't love it to begin with. I thought it was a cute moment. I didn't love it. But then I heard a remix of it and I was like, OK, this is this has gone too far. Oh, yeah, I heard that. Not me. It thought it was a cute moment. I didn't love it. But then I heard a remix of it. And I was like, okay, this is this has gone too far. Yeah, I heard that.

You've not made a remix of the Jesse Solomon song. No. Yeah, don't encourage him. So, Andy's like, well, I was in my room standing up applauding for you with my penis in one hand and my other penis. Sorry, that's probably too much. God, you're tall. Sorry, in my memory there was a clap, clap, clap, but in reality it was more of like a fap, fap, fap. So then, West, okay, who cares? So then he's talking about Kyle has made a deal

on watch what happens to cut his mullet, and everyone's clapping and chanting about it. And Paige is like, yeah, he's just so good looking without the mullet. I mean, it would basically be like Danielle without really everything that's happening right now. So can we just trim Danielle? Can we just trim Danielle out?

That would be great. So Andrew's like, Hi, Lindsey, did you did you and did Ariana consult you on your revenge dress tonight? And she's like, no, she didn't. I also like to mention that after this show, I will be opening up a rap shop full of all your favorites, like a chicken Caesar salad, a wrap and a flatbread. He had falafel. He had falafel. He only has himself to blame for having falafel. Okay, Lindsey. Okay, you're not in Chicago. Yeah, it's actually gonna be more of a PETA pocket place. It's gonna be called I PETA the man. I PETA the fool.

PETA Pocketplace. It's gonna be called I PETA the man. I PETA the fool. There's something about PETA. Lindsay was gonna say, did you see the competing influencer ads of Carl and Lindsay? Oh, I love that. That was great. That was honestly great. Carl did. Carl and Kyle did some like weird like goldfish thing, right? Like where Kyle like is like, if you ever want a goldfish, here they are. And he like tossed it to Carl and Carl's like, hey, so goldfish. They are tasty and delicious. And they're well, it takes two people really to enjoy goldfish.

Like some of it's on me and some of it's on the goldfish. I told those goldfish to put their weight on me and they slid right down my throat. Hey, Carl, why are you hugging that bag of goldfish? Hold on. Squeeze, hug me. Harder, harder, harder. Goldfish don't have hearts. And that's the problem. You used to like my hugs, goldfish. And then Lindsay came out with one. I forget what his said. It was like passive aggressive. But he is, I will say Carl

looks meth he looks meth he looks like a meth head he looks dead-eyed I don't know what's going on over there with if he's if he's gotten on the ozempic craze what's going on he doesn't he looks terrible he's probably sad it's probably been a really rough season for him but he looks dead-eyed and so he's doing no one wants to see someone dead eyed eating a goldfish. You know what I mean? I need more charisma for my goldfish enjoyers because goldfish is really good. And he got lucky enough to do old bay goldfish. And it was just a fail. But then Lindsay came out with one for Lindsay. The old bae? Paige is like, wow, you could have just stopped it old for Lindsay, just stop it old. It's funny that Lindsay didn't get that one

because we've been calling Lindsay old bae ever since I got here, so. Oh, look, here's Danielle's goldfish. I didn't know there even was a spice called sad bae, but I guess it exists. So what was I gonna say? Okay, yeah, so Lindsay had one that came out a couple days later that was for Cheez-Its.

And hers was like, um, this is a far superior tip than some people named Carl. Like it was so obviously. Who had like a fish emoji in there? And she said something like, and this, you know, this is being sold by someone, you can tell by my completely natural Original smile and it seemed like something that she was she was dissing his big porcelain teeth

But Lindsay doesn't your original teeth who the fuck are you kidding? Can we stop to either of all like you can't throw dentures when you live in a porcelain tooth house Well, like you can't throw dentures when you live in a porcelain tooth house. Yeah, but the difference is that like Lindsey, she like has she has her angle. She looks great. She looks great in the picture. She's holding up her cheese, which, by the way, like how funny that this is the state of Bravo affairs that we have competing like cheese cracker, you know, feuds happening and she's eating it. She's like holding up like, oh, and but it looks great.

And then you have Carl's where he has like She's like holding up like, oh, and but it looks great. And then you have Carl's where he has like this goldfish back and like, ha ha. And it's like he's like Cheshire Cheshire cat grin right in front of the camera. You're like, Whoa, whoa, whoa, I think I'm gonna go. Yeah, Carl's just he just doesn't have the whatever you know that spark. The factory or as the kids factory, the factory or as the kids call it today, Riz. Riz? Yeah, Carl doesn't. That's not now. So I was actually trying to land the Ritz account, but they

said enough for us. So I only had the tea stuff. So that's why I'm back in a tea company. So basically, Andy's like, okay, I want to say, on behalf of America, I am so glad you losers are not getting married. And he's like, oh, yeah, I think it was the right decision. Absolutely. The right decision that I'm going to deny making for the rest of this episode. So enjoy that. How does the rest of the group feel?

I mean, it's like, everyone's like, yeah. Yeah, and then it's like, yeah, we're like part of America. So we agree. And so Andy's like, well, Carl and Lindsay, you both just watched the finale and saw the breakup for the first time since it happened. I'm curious, what was that experience like for you? Was it as hilarious for you as it was for the rest of us?

Ha ha ha, God, it was so good. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. God, it was so good. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha.

Ha ha ha. She's like, I mean, I lived it firsthand and it was just like reliving exactly how I experienced it in real life, except this time my fingers were more orangey because I was eating Cheez-Its available in the grocery section, in the cracker section of your grocery store. Oh yeah, like obviously, like I think it was interesting

to watch back from a different like lens because it was just like a microcosm of what our relationship was like and the challenges that we face in our relationship. She's like, him talking over me maybe? It's like as you say, as you talk over him. I like that you talk under him and over him at the same time.

Yeah. Yeah, well, the communication and like some of those things like it's like really hard to rewatch. But like, like I said, it's like, I think it's important to like watch it and like just try to move forward and heal from it and maybe have like a super tight hug. That's like squeeze, like, feel it really feel those biceps squeezing around your waist, you know, something like that would be great. Thanks. Harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, harder, but that hug me was gold. So, you know, and for people who listen to our podcast, but like maybe weren't watching the

first season of Summer House, like the reason why we're always like, put your weight on me, is because in the very first season when he was dating or like fucking around with Lauren Marcus, there was one point where they were making out and he like wanted her to like lay on him while they were kissing and he's like, oh, put your weight on me. And it was such a strange thing that like we have always joked about it since then. So it was so funny that it kind of came full circle with this hug moment where he's like,

hug me, tight on me. You're hugging me. Hug her. Hug her. So Andy is like, so we're gonna get to it, but I'm curious as you sat there for that final conversation, was it your intention in that moment that you were gonna break things off, Carl?

And he's like, no, no, what? I walked into that apartment to get on the same, I called the camera crew and filmed a pre-scene with Kyle and brought cameras back up after we had wrapped shooting because I just wanted to work things out. Shut the fuck up, Carl. It's any who was buying this? Yeah. I just want to get on the same page with my fiance. I wanted my fiance to put her weight on my page and that way they're, you know,

because we've been fighting and we just had like a lot of conflict. And Lindsay is like, like, what the fuck? She's like laughing and she's like, he literally said he doesn't want to get married. And so he's like, Yeah, I just I want to try to talk to her and like, I'd hope that like, maybe it would go differently. I'm like, she literally opened up that her end of the conversation with on a note of like, Oh, I just realized like, maybe I hadn't been being been as empathetic to you as I could have been like,

and now he's acting like, Oh, yeah, well, she really started. Yeah, that's true. She did open acting like, oh, yeah, well, she really started. Yeah, that's true. She did open it like, okay, look, I thought about what she said in our last conversation. And maybe you're right. I haven't been showing I'm making you feel weaker than or whatever she was saying. I'm making you think I don't believe in you, or whatever. Like, so yeah, he was not trying to work it out. But nice try, Carl. That's my thing with Carl. Why can't you just

say, yeah, well, I called the cameras back in because we're on a reality show and we've put you people through this for years now. And so I'm gonna let you watch me dump her too. I mean, why not? Like, it's called being a performer. All right, you're welcome. Off professional.

I mean, he, or he could have just said, no, yeah, I was going to break up with her and I wanted the cameras there so people could see it and that way she couldn't twist it. But Gabby says, well, actually, we just said, yeah, but like it wasn't like, Lindsay didn't think it was going to be a breakup. Like, that's why she started by saying, I'm sorry. And Lindsay's like, yeah, not to mention the second I woke up on Wednesday was like the second I woke up on Wednesday morning because this was filmed on a Wednesday, she says, I walked straight into his room, the second bedroom. So they were already in separate rooms, which is kind of wild.

And I was like, yeah. And you said, why are we filming today? Yeah. And she's like, yeah. And I said, did you check your texts? That's what I said. She doesn't even read my texts. Can you believe it? She liked and even look at my text to say

that we're filming today so I could break up with you. Wow. So notice he's talking over her while she's just trying to say a very simple thing, which means he's done something wrong, right? So he's like, and you said, are we filming today? She goes, yeah, I said, oh yeah, did you check your text? Do you know why they want to film with us today?

And for 45 minutes, Carl straight popped off on me and he's like, oh yeah, oh, he's really,, Oh, yeah, oh, it's really, really upset Lindsay was really really upset. You upset about what was he upset about? You were the one who called the camera and just went and saw the scene with Kyle in order to it's like he's hyping himself up like he's about to go on the field to take a West Yeah, friends. Yeah. That was a good sports reference running. Like that. So Lindsay was Lindsay's like, yeah, he was screaming at the top of his lungs,

which is also funny because whenever Lindsay says that, I never really know because we've seen it several times this season where Carl's like, Lindsay, I just I really didn't like what you did. Why are you yelling at me? So she does do that too, a little bit. But I do believe that he was being an asshole in this moment. And he was not being sweet little boy, boy Carl. So he's like, Oh, she goes, Yeah. And he was screaming at the top of his lungs. He's like, No, I wasn't. She goes, Yeah, you were. And he's like, you gotta treat people like that. Lindsay, he just said he was. She's when she said he was popping off. He goes, Yeah, it was very angry. So now you weren't popping off or you just don't like the term. and he goes, yeah, I was very angry. So now you weren't popping off or you just don't like the term. These two are exhausting.

So basically they start sniping at each other and it's annoying to watch because frankly we've seen them do it for years. We didn't see them do it last year because they were faking it last year. But before that, remember they dated before and it was just this over and over and over and over. Yeah.

So Lindsay's basically like, so you don't wanna own that you were screaming at me? And he's So, Lindsay's basically like, so you don't want to own that? You were screaming at me. And he's like, Lindsay, we were both upset. Like, you stuck your head in the sand. And she's like, yeah, and then you said, if you don't change, if you don't change, you don't change. Like, you can't stand responsibility, Lindsay.

You can't do that. By the way, I still haven't gotten a job yet because it's just like a lot of pressure. It's Lindsay's fault. It's ultimately Lindsay's fault. It takes two to get a job and right now it's just me. So it's Lindsay's fault for misunderstanding me when I totally wasn't breaking up with her at all. So also this is when I realized, oh, Paige is coming with her normal reunion energy this year. I don't know what I was thinking to think she was going to come with anything else. But Carl was like telling off Lindsay about how she won't accept responsibility for anything and Paige was just like giggling about Lindsay.

I was like, oh god, what happened? What happened for Paige to come in this openly hating Lindsay again? And I loved when we finally found out what it was because it's literally stupid. That was the best thing ever. It's so, actually so summer housey. I loved it. Yeah, I'm excited because I've actually forgotten at this point what it was. So I'm excited to like, as we get through our notes to like come back to it and be delighted all over again to revisit your initial that you've forgotten. Okay, so they are fighting back and forth about who screamed at who and why they're not and how he didn't break up with her and she's like yeah you did you you said you were screaming at me and you said I'm this close to canceling the wedding and

he's like no I mean I said if we can't get on the same page and she goes but you said it 20 times he's like all was fighting for life in a relationship thought I just wanted to work I was fighting for my life fighting for life in a relationship that I just wanted to work. I was fighting for my life. Fighting for life. Fighting for your life by, you know, you're the one who broke up. No, you're the one who ended it, right? I was fighting for my life, so I ended it. So Andy's like, Well, I'm glad you guys basically ended it, you know, and he's like, look how offensive you are now.

He's like, Well, you're happy now. Yeah. It's like, yeah, but you're happy now. So you see what I did for you. You're happy now. She goes, Yeah, but like I just outed, you're happy now. Yeah, but it's like, yeah, but you're happy now. So you see what I did for you? You're happy now. She goes, yeah, but like I just outed what you did that morning. He goes, Lindsay, you've been dating someone since January. And Paige just rolls her eyes.

Like, I hope everyone caught that, that I just rolled my eyes really big at this old hag. Okay, great. It's like, you have the apartment. I paid half the rent for like nine months. Okay, I've been courteous. And she's like, yeah, cause you signed a lease. What else you gonna do? He goes, Oh, what else do you want from me? I paid rent. And she's like, Yeah, and you signed a lease a month before you

called off the wedding. You I mean, like Carl, literally, like, this person is like one bad decision after another with this guy. He's saying that he's courteous because he upheld his end of his contract over this apartment. He's like, well, I've done everything I'm legally bound to do, and I also paid over $125,000 for the wedding. I took care of the apartment and the wedding. You did not? Huh. She goes, you cancelled the wedding. Yeah, but I told you I did not want to move forward with the wedding. You know, it takes two people to want to move forward with the wedding. You did not hot because you canceled the wedding. Yeah, but I told you I did not want to move forward with the wedding. You know, it takes two people to like want to move forward with weddings. Like, yeah, and you took out the cancellation fees that you canceled that you caused.

So why are you saying all this stuff? Yeah. You know. Yeah, he's like, yeah, stupid fucking car. I was like, oh, yeah, I paid everything after I ruined it. I paid for it. Wow. Yeah. you break it. You buy it. Have you ever been to a store? Yeah. She's like, you want to pat on the back of that? It's like, well, maybe a high five. So Andy's like, All right, because honestly, it's exhausting. Right? I feel like even the audience, Andy, everyone's

already exhausted. So he's like, Okay, well, we have a lot to discuss. Let's move on. So he's like, okay, well, we have a lot to discuss. Let's move on. So Danielle's like, I need some limoncello. Danielle, still, Danielle, this is still how you come into a reunion. Like party, party, anyone wanna party? We should be partying right now. Why aren't we partying right now?

Shots! So now we go to another segment, a bro segment segment everything. Andy is like, I gotta say, man, like talking about the bros, okay, was it the new energy that Wes and Jesse brought? Was it the old piles, Kyle and Carl? Why, guys, am I right?

Who else tricked after all four of these guys? Anyone? Just me? So it's just like bro, the bro segment. how like the bros love each other, bro. And so did Carl, Carl complained that there wasn't enough male energy. Did Jesse and West fix the problem? And he's like, huh, tenfold. Kyle, who's the better big spoon, Amanda or Wes? Because there was that scene where Kyle woke up in the middle of the night, basically being spooned by Wes, which was still great to see again. So, I mean, Wes for sure. And then Andy's like,

yeah, to say it was very sweet when you woke up shooting with Wes, I definitely have saved that video on my laptop. So, Amanda apparently said something, I don't remember this, but she says something like Jesse humps and West fucks. And she's like, I take it back. I think that Jesse also fucks Kyle. So Jesse is very proud. He makes a muscle. And so Andy's like, West, the viewers were

immediately drawn to you and Jesse, you're a little more of a slow burn. Why do you think that was? You know, Jesse was like, I thought everyone loved me out the gates also. Thanks. Thanks for that. Oh, you know, West is like, everlously cool. And I'm just like, I am what I am, Andy. I just I am what I am. And Paige is like, Yeah, you're effortlessly cool. And I'm just like, Oh, you know what I am, Andy, I just I know what I am. And pages like, Yeah, you're effortlessly cool. And he's like, guys, stop, stop. Look, we call you by both of your names. Your just no one's gonna say that West is cooler than Jesse Solomon. People didn't like you at first because you

arrived like a fucking douchebag. Okay, which he cops to you in the next little section. Yeah, he's like, yeah, I showed up on a few hours of sleep and I I immediately hit on like taking a moment and I was like hammered drunk. It's just like so funny because I don't even remember saying take a shot out of my dent, right? And then they show the that clip I love of they have that weird banter where he's like, good for you and Paige's like, Oh, good for you. No good for you. And she

does that thing with her mouth. She's like so mad at him in that moment. But she can't even form that a word. So he's like, I didn't get that impression. Did you that she got mad at him for saying that? I thought she was like, Oh, this guy's gonna try to. I thought like her face was like, Oh, you're gonna try to fuck with me. Cause she was like, they just show her like, like sort of like doing like a, like a goldfish mouth.

Hey, old bagel. I love it. That was an old fish, old bagel fish. I'm winning. I'm winning the important wars. It's original goldfish doesn't count. So original flavor. let's see here. So Jesse's talking about how he didn't even know if it was, if he was supposed to be putting on a character, if it was really reality.

And then he realized it was really reality. And Paige is like, well, I'll tell you what's real is that I wasn't interested in you genuinely. That was real. It's like, okay, then why you got to say it again? I don't know. I think everybody wants Jesse Solomon to want to make out with them at the very least. Don't you? I mean, we all want to be picked. So cute. Jesse. So, yeah, I mean, he's super hot. Just please stop talking about yourself in restaurants. You've got to stop that. Yeah. So smile less. And again, I'm okay with him smiling.

I don't like it. I feel like he'd run you over and be like, hey, you know what, I ran you over. I know I did, but it's because you jumped in front of my car and he's still smiling like that right in your face. I just want him to have a more realistic view of his singing voice, which is that it's nice, but it's nothing more than nice.

I think you have to have a healthy delusion to be on these shows. He's definitely got it. That's true. He's definitely got it. So Andy's like, Yeah, you're not someone who typically warms up to new people immediately. What was different about Wes? And she's like, I mean, like, I mean, he was funny. I love a funny guy. We've all seen that. I don't know. I don't know. Like, I got it. I don't know. I don't know. Whatever. She's like so over him, you know? And Wes like scrunches his face like he's like upset that it's not like a full-fledged

endorsement. Yeah. Yeah. She says I got God a little bit. Yeah. She says I got God. She goes, I got God, I think. And so Wes makes a little boy. He makes a face like that. And so, and he's like, wow, wow. I don't know what that means. Uh, I got got a boner right now. Looking at West Pounding. That's cute. All right, let's move on. Carl, what was the status of your relationship with Kyle between

last summer and this summer? Were you worried about coming back into the house with a person who's still got a mullet and can't read a room? He's like, whoa, you know, last year was a really good moment on the stage for us. Oh, because we really got a lot off our chest. And then we see a clip of him holding hands with Lindsay last year at the reunion and him and him and Lindsay against the world and the world was Kyle. But now that

yeah, and they, they have and he's like, Yeah, I love this guy. I'm like like I want to find a way just to like share how I feel on but like I also Give them grace and I try to just like work to it like that's what you gotta do Give people grace and I guess some people can't give grace all the time So like I guess I was kind of like finding grace I was like, okay I actually found my old DVD box set of saving grace was great TV show from the early 2000s and I just hugged it You know, like last year it was like grace Grace Under Fire but like this year it was just like Saving Grace.

There's so much grace Andy. It's like really a lot of grace. Such a great show. Such a grace on me Andy. Such a grace on me. Yeah. Could have been Well and Grace but that was just the other two. Saving Grace is where I want to go.

It's too good. Saving Grace is like a great show. I love it. No there's anything wrong with it. But you know. No nothing at is like a great show. I love it. No, there's anything wrong with it. But you know, no, not nothing at all. Ha, I love it. I love it. But like Seven Grace is, you know. That's it's it's emotional, you know, Hunter.

Like she's just about so. So then he's like, yeah, but no, like I love this guy. Well, she wrote from D.C. says after all the drama from last summer, do you feel like you were able to be honest with Carl Kyle about Lindsay or was his relationship a topic you tried to avoid because it seemed like it was hard for you to keep your mouth shut when did it ever seem like it was difficult for Kyle to keep his mouth shut? He's done nothing but insert himself and try and call Lindsay an asshole this entire season as he has every other season. So when was this trying to keep

his mouth shut? Yeah. I think Kyle has weighed in quite a bit. And Kyle says he thinks he actually did a good job of keeping his mouth shut. And he said, he's like, yeah. Even going back to prior summer when a lot of people were questioning the relationship. I know I think where I put myself up for question behavior was just that moment in season seven when I often Lindsay. And that was like during that game night where Kyle was like, she fucking sucks.

So he's like, yeah, I put Carl in a really hard place. And despite the challenges that we faced really early on, like I did find myself like actually trying to suppress my feelings because I knew like a lot of people would have opinions and I don't think I need to be another person voicing them, even though that's exactly what I did. So what about how Kyle asked Carl to officiate his wedding

but then the ultimate slap in the face, Carl asking Kyle to be a flower boy. So what about that? And Kyle's like, yeah, well, you know, I did not expect him to like reciprocate in my main giving me like a critical admission critical partner wedding, you know, it's not really what I want it, you know, so I just want to make that really clear. Because I did insert myself into their relationship and pages just cracking

up over there. Yeah. And I love Kyle inserting like corporate lingo into this. Well, it was a mission critical thing. I was not. I wasn't expecting it. It's our pie chart numbers, numbers, you know, I mean, expectations of a quarter. I just didn't expect it. As per your previous email, Andy, I really thought like, you know, I want to circle back to this and just bump this up. F W D, F W D. So he's like, Okay, you don't have to forward it to me. I read the subject header and I'm done with this conversation. So then what what's up with so Kyle was like, I did expect maybe to be a

groomsman, you know, like I didn't have to be best man or officiate, but like maybe something better. And Sierra's like, not flower boy. Sorry. And then she's cracking up with Paige and Kyle's like, yeah, I mean, like I was just like, so am I in the wedding party to flower boys get to drink? Do you flower boys get to hand the audience? Now lover boys?

No, no, you're in the stupid party. Party of one that was you. So then Jesse, so then, you know, Kyle was like, Yeah, they say something about it being like an adult only resort or whatever. But anyway, Andy is like, yeah, but they're saying, who said it? Jesse goes, yeah, but the resort didn't have kids. So they had to ask the guys to be flower boys because who else would do it? There were no kids allowed. But I also love this idea of like, well, we had to like bend the rules of a traditional flower boy, flower girl situation because the resort, you know, but they couldn't bend the rules of like just adding another

person onto the onto the on the groomsmen or the bridal party or whatever, whatever you call it, grooms party. Like that's what I don't understand. Like they say, oh, you know, Carl has a lot of these buddies. He goes really deep. He's got like nine, all these really good buddies. There wasn't any room left because it would be nine and nine. Why? Add Kyle. Like, I don't understand why you just can't, like, why does it have to be nine and nine?

Why does it have to be even? Like, it makes no sense. I think because Carl just had like a million people that he wanted to invite and Lindsay has a certain number of friends. So she's like, I have eight. And he's like, but I need more. She's like, okay, I can invite this other girl,

but listen, I add more people. I'm gonna start adding people from fucking Pizza Beach. You know what I mean? Like, no, Carl, like we have to make a limit at some point. My ticket ended at nine, where she was like enough. And he's like, unfortunately, you know, Kyle wasn't number 10 or 11 or 13 really, or 19. Kyle was like number 73 actually.

Yeah, so Andy's like, well, Lindsay, do you agree that's like something of a demotion for Kyle? And she's like, I mean, that's between the two of them. Like, I mean, like what I didn't like was there's like a whole moment, like, Andy's like, you had nothing to say. And she's like, no, like I did not have anything to say

about who's Carl's groomsmen were. And he didn didn't have any say about who my bridesmaids were. He's like, so you had no, no opinion, no opinion whatsoever. Which is funny, because when you watch the episode, Carl said this whole thing about like, well, I just know that like Lindsay wouldn't want Kyle to be a groomsman and like she hasn't said it, but I just like, no, she wouldn't want it. And now she's like, I didn't, I had no say in this whatsoever. Right. And so she's trying to say like, and I don't like that he was, he was making it sound like I did, right, but they keep interrupting her. And he's like, okay, but if he had said, I have nine. And then Paige is like, oh my God. And Sierra's like, that's a lot. And you know Paige is just like, well, she's really old and you don't know if like half of these people are gonna die by the time the wedding comes. You have to have backups. A bride's made for every decade you've been alive.

So Lindsay's like, she's like, well, he has like lots of friends for years and years. And like, when I was having fun, like all his rooms and were taken by dudes that he's known for like a very long time. So I was like, okay, then what about Kyle and Luke and Andrea? Like, we need to do something for the summer house guys. And then Paige makes a face like, gross. She's like, I'm not going to do that. So and he goes, oh, so that was your idea of the flower boy thing.

And she goes, well, yeah, it was. And he's saying it in an accusatory way. This reunion is so fucked up. He's like, oh, so it was your idea to make Kyle a flower boy. She's like, yeah, because if I didn't do something with them, they weren't gonna be in the wedding at all. And he goes, yeah, but you just said you had nothing to do with it.

Andy, you didn't let her finish a fucking sentence when she was trying to answer you before, because you're trying to have some got do with it. And Andy, you didn't let her finish a fucking sentence when she was trying to answer you before. You're trying to have some gotcha moment on a moment. That's not a moment. She said that she had nothing to do with him not picking Kyle. That's what she said. Exactly. She was basically saying, Oh, you Nimrod, you didn't include the guy who like, like, who has been giving like

you a job for the past three years and who's wedding you officiated for, you're not gonna do anything for this person right now. So maybe you should, you know, like I totally was on Lindsay's side about this. So she came up with this for the summer house guys and now they're gonna excoriate her for that. It's so fucked up and everybody just sits there like,

yeah, it's totally normal. Of course we're yelling at Lindsay about it. It just doesn't make any sense. Like Lindsay does so many things to get pissed off about. Why did they have to make stuff up? Cause this doesn't, this is stupid. So she's like, yeah, but I was saying that I had nothing to do with who he chose as a groomsman when I said, okay, Carl, what happens when you have a groomsman that backs out or they

have an emergency, are you going to fill that spot with Kyle or Andrea or Luke? And he said, Andrea. And Kyle looks down. Andrea comes before Kyle. Yeah, Kyle looks down, like kind of sad about it. And she goes, yeah, so it's, Carl goes to the confessionals and he lies and says,

the reason I didn't have Kyle as a groomsman is Lindsay doesn't want him. And then he says, well, actually, then he even has a confessional where he says, well, actually, we didn't have that conversation. I mean, it's a complete fucking lie is what it is. Yeah, it's, it's just another example of Carl not really being able to like, to stand in the decisions that he makes. He'd

like to talk like he does. He's like, Oh, I own this now. I'm taking responsibility. But he really doesn't. He really takes a pussy way out. So then Andy is like, well, where did you come up with that? And so he comes like, well, so I have a spreadsheet we were working off of. I listed who was been. Kyle was on that list. I had like 11 people on that list. And she didn't have as many. She just like, the problem is this, when you're a wretched witch of a human being, it's hard to have friends and like I get that for her like it takes two people off our friendship and she doesn't really understand that. So like, we came up with this idea like flower boy and

he specifies it was her idea. Because when we came up with this today, I mean, it was her idea because now she's a villain for coming up with a way to include. Sorry, go ahead. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. And he's like, so but that's a leap in saying that she doesn't want Kyle to be a groomsman. He's well, I, I just personally felt that way. You know, it's like, she's like, but it wasn't true. We never had that conversation. But I felt that. Well, I felt that I felt about that. Oh, you felt it. Okay. Well, your feelings trump everything then feelings aren't facts. You fucking idiot. Who talks like that? Who does that? That is so fucking 2024. Stop it. Your feelings are not fucking fact. Keep your feelings in the car. You know what?

I can understand that you're like, I feel like, you know, even though my other half would want me to have anyone in my party, I know this person would make her uncomfortable. And it's more important for me that she is comfortable than this friendship. I think you're allowed to have that feeling. You are allowed to do that. But then just own it. Own it, baby. Own it. Don't be like, oh, when asked about it on national TV, don't be like, well, I would have had him,

but she makes her feel uncomfortable. I would have been like- He can't own it because it's not how he felt. It's not that he thought, it's not that he was sticking it for Lindsay and he didn't want Kyle for that reason. He didn't want Kyle because he had other friends he had in front of Kyle, period.

And then he didn't want Kyle to be- Like the drip. And he just admitted it and he didn't want Kyle to be upset about it. So he's blamed Lindsay and said that it was Lindsay Lindsay who chose that he's just a fucking wuss This guy is a fucking weakling. I can't with this person Yeah, so So Lindsay's like yeah, we never had that conversation so Gabby is like but you made it seem like the truth

You know and Andy's like yes, she reacted unfairly to copying on that list He's like, well, I don't really I don't exactly recall how she reacted to it. Okay, here we go. You're lying and you're not even saying anything. And she's like, I didn't have any reaction. He goes, well, my conversation with Lindsay around the groomsmen, she goes, it was about numbers, Carl. We talked about numbers. Well, I'd be lying if I, oh, Kyle's like, I wouldn would be lying if I said I wasn't a little hurt by it,

but like I also had to take context because like there's history. And I'm like, when you guys were making some of these decisions, that was still in flux. And Amanda's like, yeah, would have been very understandable if Lindsay did say no, I don't want Kyle standing up there with us

because of the way that he's behaved towards her. So like, even if you did say it Lindsey Notice I'm being nice to Lindsey which means I'm really trying to throw Lindsey under the bus by getting her to admit that it was Really her decision this whole fucking time come on get out of here guys. Let it go drop it Carl didn't like those. He doesn't like in his wedding He uses you for what you can give him just like he uses everybody else in his life. Okay. When it comes when it comes down to it, he'll take your money, but he doesn't want you and your fucking mullet getting wasted and being an idiot at his wedding. That's it. So well, that's it. Hi. So Andy is like, Andy is like, well, there's a large

contingent of people fans of the show, mothers of perhaps Carl who say, think Carl that you're afraid of Lindsay. I'm just curious showbiz who thinks that Carl was afraid of Lindsay? Of course, everyone raised their hands. Carl raises his hand. Lindsay raises her hand. Andy raises his hand. I raised my hand.

Carl only raised his hand once he- I turned around, the plane was raising their hands. Everybody on the plane, I the plane was raising their hands everybody on the plane. I was Carl only raised his hand when he saw it was safe for him to raise his hand, which of course is so Carl He's like, all right. All right, who thinks Carl's afraid Lizzie? Okay Who here thinks that Carl is afraid of the deer walking around in the forest? Everyone raises their hand to get well She's all like that dear has a lot of choices to make and like, I just don't want to get in the way. That deer didn't want me to invite Kyle to my wedding.

So, prove it. I felt it. I felt it. I felt it deer. Yeah, I just feel like Bambi has made some choices and like, if I don't support them, then like I'm the bad guy. So I'm just like saying.

But the fact that he still won't just say, I'm sorry, Kyle, I just, we were in a weird place. Even though he's just been proven to be a fucking liar. It was shitty. It was shitty of Carl, by the way. I always thought that flower boy thing was shitty. And yeah, that he couldn't be like, you know what? I regret it and you should have been

like a full-fledged groomsman. He just is like, yeah, well, I was just like, you know, she made me do it. So I was like, oh, she and the deer got together and said, this is who your flower boy is, so fine. Yeah, and Lindsay's like, well, I think he's mostly afraid of tough conversations. And he's like, I'm not afraid of tough conversation. I think what I struggled with a lot in my life

is that I'm a people pleaser. Stop, stop the cameras. Just pause. Name one fucking person in eight years that you've ever made an effort to please on this show. I'm a people pleaser. Stop. Stop the cameras. Just pause. Name one fucking person in eight years that you've ever made an effort to please on this show ever. Name one you've never pleased one person you've never made an effort to please one single fucking person but yourself who

are you may have forgot that during the pandemic, I was one who always ordered tacos for everyone. He is fucked over every fucking person he's been friends with on this show or dated on this show. You've treated every woman you've been with on this show like utter fucking garbage. You've never done anything good for anybody else. The way he treated Jules was beyond cruel.

I was just about to say Jules. You've never done shit. The people who supported you, you've done nothing but stab them in the back and try to villainize them. And I'm not even talking about Lindsay, I'm talking about Kyle at this point. You're a monster. You've never been nice to anybody or cared about anybody else on this show but your fucking

self. Name one person you've ever people pleased. People who say, I'm just a person who pleases people, that's all I care about is pleasing others are the biggest fucking selfish morons in the world and they never please anybody. I'm just a people pleaser. Um, yeah, go. Well, I think saying that you're a people pleaser is just you putting a nice spin on the fact of saying like, I am overly concerned with what people think about

me. That's what it is. Right? Like that's like, Oh, I just want to make people happy. I want to, I want to, I do things for other people because not for other people, but like, I don't, I don't follow my own instincts. I just try to like, do things that way. I don't get in trouble. I think that's what that being a people pleaser usually translates into. So he's like, y'all, um, I just, I struggle with like really expressing how I'm feeling and like also like trying to protect or like not for her. And like, I just really struggled with that. I was like, really, you don't say, let's get back to you

trying to talk about like how this relationship went wrong. Well, I was trying to keep my side of the street clean and like, it takes two people. I'm like, you know, it's just like, it's really hard. Like, it's like, I have like a bicycle and she has a car and like, you know, I totally support cars, four wheels is great. But like, sometimes you want two wheels. And like, I don't know, I guess what I'm trying to say is like get off the road am I right why the chicken cross the road it's really up to the chicken not my my place to say the chicken could do what it wants I personally would not have crossed the road I keep

my side of the road clean so I don't know why the chicken's leaving anyways that's pretty much what chicken cross the road because I crossed the road first and the chicken was trying to murder me so it's like the chicken was trying to push me to traffic and that's why I cross the road sorry I didn't say that about the chicken. It's just how I felt. It's just how I felt. It's what I felt the chicken wanted. Hey, knock knock.

Who's there? Well, it's, I mean, it could be a variety of people. Don't wanna really say it either way. It could be me, but it could also be Lindsay. And it's really hard, it's like really on both of us to be both at the door and be present in our relationship at the door. And it's just like, it's a lot of pressure to open up and to be at a out of door and just like, I just need a little softness and tenderness at the doorway.

Okay. So he's like, I have so much respect for Lindsay, but you know, sometimes with our communication, it was fearful of her, you know? And Andy goes, yeah, Lindsay, you don't seem like a fun person to argue with. How does Carl seem like a fun person? Or he gets buttonized like the fucking mom from Coraline. He's terrifying that guy. He gets a flash of anger and it's all over. And so Lindsay's like, well, who is fun to argue with? By the way, Lindsay, you are a terrorist

to argue with though. She is scary. And Paige is like, I feel like I'm pretty fun to argue with. At least I'm like fashionable when you argue with me. I don't think anybody who's argued with you would ever consider you fun to argue with. You eviscerate them. Hilariously. It's fun to watch you argue with people, but I certainly wouldn't want to be on the receiving

end of that. Literally no one has ever beaten Paige in an argument. I'm going to say that. I don't think I've ever seen Paige lose an argument. She has never lost. Even when she's completely wrong. Like even, I didn't agree with her. I've never agreed with Paige.

Really, this is, I think, the first season where I've been like completely on Paige's side for everything that's happened this season. But usually at least half the season I'm not on her side. And I still think she's right. Even when I don't agree with her, I'm like, she won that argument. Yeah. Ron is like, I'm moving to New York now. Even when I don't agree with her, at least she won that argument.

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