Watch What Crappens - #2527 Love Island USA S6 Reunion: Backseat’s Back Oh Yeah!
Episode Date: August 21, 2024The iconic Love Island USA season 6 cast - minus Cain - gathers for a big big reunion. Nicole is mad at Kendall, Aaron still is lying, and Andrea is, like, really sorry guys. To watch this re...cap on video and listen to all of our bonus episodes, go to Patreon.com/watchwhatcrappensSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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Hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about, or in this case, Peacock, because today we are talking about the Love Island USA Season 5...6, season six reunion. I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me,
the wonderful Bombshell himself, Mr. Ronnie Karam.
Hi Ronnie.
Hello Ben.
What's been going on over in your world?
I'm still recovering from learning about the absolute trauma
that Bombshells go through on this show.
Oh my God.
It is real, it is a real thing in this country. And I'm glad that we're going to have a moment
to talk about it on this show.
Yeah, me too. I personally am just like a little upset that Kendall hasn't checked in on me
because I think that like, it's pretty obvious that when his, his nude videos were leaked,
his jerk off videos, like he
should have checked on me when that happened. So that's what I'm going
through today.
It's rough. It's really rough. And it's, it doesn't matter that I was
ignoring him and told him not to talk to me and just wanted to be alone.
The fact that he actually listened to me is really, I mean, I got new
teeth for this.
And no one even asked me what my teeth were going through. Okay.
This big moment in this episode is the cast, Ariana looking straight into the camera
and in very slow motion. Just kidding. It's a lot of Ariana slow motion in general, but just staring
into the camera and begging us to stop bullying people.
Guys, I agree in general, America, stop bullying.
Watch what happens.
No, we're not going to America should you guys should.
But no, we're not going to because that's what we do.
We're friends.
We like to bully.
I mean, just amongst friends, bullying people behind their backs when you're with your friends,
but don't go online to be mean to people.
Don't be mean.
Fire bomb their house and stuff like that.
That's terrible.
You know, I mean, even if you don't like your teeth, but if you have some friends to talk
some shit about these people with, do that like we're doing.
We're just going to pretend this isn't public.
And if you're from this show and for some reason you're like, oh, two elderly people
talking about our show.
This is not for you.
Pete Liesveld You know what it is for me? Some Pizza Hut. God, I could really go for some. Let
me go have some Pizza Hut and angle the boxes directly to the camera. Let me eat the pizza from
behind the box and make sure everyone sees how delicious this Pizza Hut is right now.
Pete Liesveld I'm really sick of these people and their non-subtlety, especially when I could be eating
hungry root right now, which is a much healthier option that I really enjoy while I'm wearing
my Crocs and reading from, listening to titles on my Audible.
I mean, I can't tell you how many times I was like, when I watched that scene, I was
like, is this a dream? Do I need to drink some Quest iced coffees to wake myself up right now?
Well, I'm just glad I was watching it while I was sitting down on an article.com sofa.
God, I can't wait to watch a TV show on FX.
So Wow, that Blake Lively movie here.
That's pretty good.
This is with us.
Okay, guys.
So Love Island, USA, the reunion, reunion's pretty good. This ends with us. Okay, guys. So Love Island USA, the reunion.
Poor Ariana. Let me tell you, it's got to be hard being Ariana. First of all, being
this famous and gorgeous has got to hurt in some kind of way. I feel like you can't be
happy when you're this famous and gorgeous. Also, just the fact that they've shown her
for 37 hours. Well, and the show is really long. So let's say 60 hours
walking in such slow motion. I know if Aria, if I see Ariana coming at me in a parking
lot, I'm going to feel like she's the incredible Hulk, like racing at me. I'm going to be like,
how did you get close to me so fast? I'm used to you. So slow. Yeah. She walks like it turns
out that that's just the way that Ariana walks. That's what we learned. I also feel very bad for Ariana because for whatever
reason,
the production designer of this reunion decided to make a reunion set that maybe
models the fire pit. Maybe that's what they were going for,
but it's basically two concentric circles of benches and
Ariana's right in the center and they put like Rob, Rob and Daniela, but Rob was right to right behind Ariana.
And so every time she talked to Rob, she had to fully twist around and then look up behind her.
And I'm like, who designed this seating arrangement?
This is the least TV friendly arrangement you could possibly think of whatever happened to bleachers.
Yeah. Yeah. Or like maybe they could be on a lazy Susan where if they're they have to
talk to somebody they can like start turning them around like a lazy, a sleut lazy Susan,
a lazy sleutzen, you know, like loops around to talk to each other.
I know. Uh, it was, um, I know that this cast is enormous and there were a lot of people
who didn't even make it there who weren't there.
Kane wasn't there and I wasn't sure what the story was behind Kane not being there.
He got in trouble for some racist shit.
Did you see it?
Oh, was that after the show?
Because I know when he left the show, I'm not surprised because I know that he went
to New York to do it.
I think he went to New York to do it.
I'm not surprised.
I saw the video. It's basically him eating Chinese food and he has chopsticks and he makes like a like a sound or something
and people say it because I don't want to, you know, don't perpetuate. Yeah. And like,
I don't think it's funny or like particularly funny or whatever. I don't, I didn't look
at it and think like, Oh my God, he's attacking people. That's not how I personally took it. But I was like, what an idiot.
What a stupid thing to do on TV. So he got in trouble and canceled from this show.
People also really hate him. He was, you know, people talking about anger issues. And then he
was like, he and Sierra got into like a feud online and everything. And he's just like a dick. And a
lot, I did see that a lot of people were reveling in the fact that he flew all the way from England and still didn't get onto
the reunion so I'm happy with it I didn't need to see that freaking Adam's apple gash of a tattoo
on his neck any longer than necessary. Yeah um yeah he's he got in some trouble so he's out of here
and also his whole like I'm gonna be answering questions from the show tonight. Here's the way they see us. They have lights that they
turn on at night. Okay, that's all for my TikTok today. Get the fuck out of here, okay?
That guy, this guy, he literally looks like a piranha. And he's sitting here, like, acting
like he is God's gift to this show. I don't even know how he made it out of Casa Amor.
That's always the strangest thing.
But either way, he made it on,
onto the main show, not on the reunion.
But the reunions, we have everyone there.
Walks in and they're surrounded by screaming
and they have all these fans outside screaming their names
and acting crazy and just like, oh my God, Taylor Swift. They're literally freaking out for these people. And it's so funny
because it looks like maybe 50 people they got from central casting. They're just like,
scream a lot. They're like, let's get some white teenagers and just have them screaming and crying.
So that's basically what we got. And they were showing, it's like they shoved them all those
small area to make it look like hundreds of people but they're
like standing together. You could tell was just freaking
out. And people were like, they had to answer questions like,
How are you feeling tonight? Like, well, like, what's our
best Nicole who were just making fun of Nicole's like, well, you
know, like, we're still together kind of we need to have some
discussions because like, I need to say some stuff for the first time. Everyone's like, oh my god. So yeah, they have this whole thing, all this like, oh my god,
oh my god, it's Kenny. Oh my god. It's really nice that there are people that came out to the
reunion for me and Janae. Janae is like, come on, hurry up, Kenny. I've got to go. Janay wants me to hurry up. So, uh, everyone's happy.
Uh, Cordell is wearing some wild outfit.
It's like pink,
but with patches and a floppy hat and he just looks,
he looks absolutely ridiculous.
What is he doing? I did not know what was going on.
This is not a holly hobby. I'm not really, I don't know what that was going on there. I don't know what that was going on there.
I don't know what that was going on there.
I don't know what that was going on there.
I don't know what that was going on there.
Bless his soul with a little heart.
But yeah, you know?
So they all get onto the stage.
Be bold.
He was very bold.
Be bold.
They all got onto the stage and then it's like 10 minutes of Ariana saying hi to everyone.
I kind of felt bad for the people who just never got to speak the whole reunion.
I don't think Hakeem got to talk or Hakeem.
And I don't think, I think he was the only one who didn't get to talk. whole reunion. I don't think Hakeem got to talk or Hakeem. And I don't think,
I think he was the only one who didn't get to talk.
Like there was not even a question,
not even in the how hard was it to be a bombshell segment?
Did he even get to say a single word?
Now I didn't watch maybe what a week and a half
of the show or something.
Cause we weren't covering it or whatever.
And I feel like how much did I miss
because there are a lot of people on the stage. have no idea who they are one particularly adorable guy who I just fucking love this guy and he ended up being like
Oh my god. I'm just here for the guys. I made so many close friendships with the guys. I mean
You know who I've seen the guys like we've hung out like
out like Connor altogether. Yeah.
God, you're so adorable.
I just left him hearing like how into guys he is over and over again. I'll take there is hope for you. It's cause this guy is so cute.
He's also the one that's rumored to be romantically involved with Katie Maloney.
So any further. Oh, really? I can see that.
I can see that actually he's got Tom Schw can see that. He's like, yeah.
I can see that actually. He's got Tom Schwartze vibes.
He's got, he's got young Schwartz vibes for sure.
He's really cute, but he's just such a bro.
He's such a California bro. He's like, yeah,
I just really came here for the, for the guys.
And it was like really great. And Rob, Rob came out to LA and we went snake
hunting and it was, it was a great time. And like, yeah,
it worked out really well for me.
Well, I can tell you it's not going to work out with Katie.
And here's why she hates that guy energy.
Like she hates a guy who's like going to stand up for the bros.
She's not going to be there for that.
So he's either going to need to change that or it's not going to work out because she's,
she's already put up with that for years.
But I have to say good for Katie.
Good for you go Katie.
Yeah.
In your Connor era.
He's really hot, but I just remember like one, my favorite line that he said
his entire time on the show was that he was like lumbering over to someone and he was like walking
slowly or strangely and someone gave him a look like, why are you walking like that? He goes,
it's the lots. I was like, shut up. It's the lots. So the, another, another person, another blast from the past was that we saw Koi and Koi was the first one voted
out. He was like six, eight.
He was originally with Janae and he's there off in the corner in this like
bright red outfit with like a Chanel brooch on and everything. And like,
he just, he starts off by going,
I just want to apologize. Like me and the day I went live and and like I spoke on Kenny and Janay's relationship and I wasn't
keeping up with it.
And you know the show and like, you know what people are telling me and I was just like
talking and they asked me like, how do you feel?
I was like, you know, it's like a fake relationship.
And I just came here to like legitimately apologize to both of you guys.
Like I shouldn't have spoken on your relationship.
I just, after going back watching you guys have a great genuine relationship. I just really wanted to come here to apologize."
No one cared about what you had to say, Koi. Literally no one saw it. No one thought about
it. No one was angry about it. You're not on anyone's radar. I love him making this big
apology. America's been waiting for this moment. Well, Janaye cared. She cared very much.
Janaye came and cared. Her name was much. I can only tell you that she cared.
Her name was Janae because she was not having this person.
She was not about to listen to shit.
She was giving him a death stare the whole time he was talking.
And then after she was like, thank you.
I know.
Kenny was like, thank you.
So Janae was hilarious because she whipped out some sort of like,
it wasn't even a dossier. It was just like a stack of papers stapled together. I don't know
where she was hiding that, but it just appeared in her hands out of nowhere. We didn't even see her
pulling it out from behind a pillow. It was just like a pure random times during the reunion. Be
like, actually on August 13th, you went onto a podcast and
you said that my eyebrows didn't look good today. And I was wondering if you could explain
that some more because I didn't like that.
I needed her to pull out some readers for this. And I love that she even had them stapled,
the pages from like stapled and folded. She's like, but then he was talking about me on a podcast.
It didn't mean we feel very happy about it.
And that was just really not cool.
So I really need you to get Leah's name out of your mouth.
Also Hannah, who was,
she was in the early part of the season and she says,
she, Ariana's like, Hannah, like,
what has been the most surprising thing that happened to you since coming from the Villa?
And she's like, um, the amount of hate I got for my makeup.
It was like very hurtful.
And like, I know I'm a bad bitch because everyone calls me a bad bitch and everyone's like,
it's applauding her, but I did notice her makeup was better for the reunion.
So you know, no, it was, you didn't think so. No, she was still wearing makeup like the tin
man. She still came with tin man makeup on this lady's crazy. Okay.
And at least you didn't have like her whole, I believe because of my makeup,
you were bullied because your makeup was left literally all over everything and
everyone. Okay. You are a literarup litterer. And you know that that's
the damn truth. You can't just walk around wearing makeup and leaving it all over every
couch, every person, every animal who comes into contact with you. You look like somebody
from CSI is shining a black light flashlight. That's what you look like. Okay. And then
what does she do? She comes dressed exactly the same way. I was like, are we following
the yellow brick road?
Are we next to Toto looking for a green witch? Why are you looking like the Tin Man?
And she's like, you know what? I got bullied for my makeup and everyone's like, oh my god and Ariana's like, well
I'm wearing so much makeup too. No, you are not don't try to make her feel better. Don't give her hugs
Give her paper towels. I thought she looked better because I felt like if you were to
her paper towels. I thought she looked better because I felt like if you were to um like go near Hannah you would not emerge with a big white powdery spot on your shirt you know this time.
I don't know I'll always remember the time that Kendall made out with Hannah and his face
emerged like he had just stuffed one of those like hostess snowballs into his face.
Yeah. Or a powdered donut. Um like that but, but Hannah, you know, I feel like we
deserved more time with her because she came onto the
show and her whole thing was this.
I have a rare condition where I sweat excessively out of my palms.
And so she walked up, she would always walk around like she
was air drying her palms.
Yeah.
She was being arrested really awkwardly and just kind of like all over the place.
And she really does have something special because every time they cut to her or ask her anything,
she just comes to life. She puts the whole show to life. I think she's really funny.
And everyone seemed to really like her. But it seemed like the reunion, it took like 10 minutes
of like hellos and what's everyone been up to and everyone's being polite. And it felt like the reunion didn't really kick into gear until
Ariana focused on Kendall and Nicole and Ariana was basically like, so, um, Kendall and Nicole,
like how are you guys doing? And then it's just like, just silence. They both come by,
take a deep sigh and look down at their knees.
Yeah.
So you didn't like it until that, until that.
I mean, it was like fun.
I thought it was fine.
It was fine, but it was just all like,
it was just like nice stuff.
It was like, like, oh, what have you been up to?
Oh, I've been, you know, like, oh my God,
like I saw Miguel, like Miguel and I have been like
FaceTiming and it's like crazy. It's like crazy. We're like FaceTiming a lot, you know, it was just
like nice little updates on people's lives and everything seemed to be nice. Everything was good.
Like, oh my God. So Cordell, you asked Serena to be your girlfriend. It's like, yeah, we did. And
he got the Cheez-It's deal. It's all like, it was all nice and smiley that he got his cheeses deal. I mean, really talk about manifesting. You know, people
can laugh at that kid all they want. And we literally just did because that hat needs help,
like it needs help. But the fact that he just came on and was like, you know what I'm really into?
I really want sponsorships back with cheese. It's and. And now the man has a sponsorship with Cheez-Its. I mean,
just believe guys.
It is also funny,
like fast forwarding to later in the episode when we watched a very long
unedited conversation about who should be voted off.
And during that critical moment and Leah's big thing was like,
I'm not even sure that, or that, um,
that Andrea is here for the right reasons. Cause she was like talking about how she would
get like better table service and also like endorsements. And then meanwhile, they're
all plotting Cordell for landing his Jesus deal that he basically asked for on the air.
Right. And she's got 3 million followers now, which is insane, which is great because she's
my favorite, you know, but, um, well, I like her engine. But yeah, I think that it's not bad to want it. It's just bad to say you
want it because they're all doing the same thing. I mean, I actually kind of believe Serena and,
Serena and Cordell kind of, but, and I'm very cynical by the way, but obviously, but it's hard
for me to believe anybody because they're all acting like, Oh my God, do you have an announcement? Oh my God. He asked me to be his girlfriend.
Isn't that crazy? No, it's not crazy. We've just watched you sob and scream and cry and
love each other for all this time. I just, the steps to the love is so confusing to me.
Like the fact that they went all through all of that. And then it took all of this just to say we're boyfriend and girlfriend.
Of course you're boyfriend and girlfriend. I just don't, I don't,
I don't get why that's like such a big step.
And then Janay tried to have her own like, Oh, well we're boyfriend and girlfriend
too. Everybody in there. It's like such a huge accomplishment. I mean,
I don't think I've had a friend even tell me like, Ronnie, I got my first movie. No one acts like this,
but you find a boyfriend and it's like, Oh my God, you,
a hot person found a boyfriend.
I know. Especially because you guys have already been on the trajectory.
Like we watched this all summer. You guys are going to be in a relationship.
I liked when, when, uh,
Janay and Kenny announced that they are now also boyfriend girlfriend and everyone's like clapping like, oh my god
And Kenny goes, yeah, it's been six days
I was like, oh
That's exciting. It's
Celebrating six days of being boyfriend girlfriend
Well, it's that that's only been a couple weeks since they wrapped the show, right?
I know but they're just something so funny about like, like making this announcement,
like we've been in this relationship, things have been going so well. And you find out
it happened like a few days before this. I don't know, like it just was the low stakes
of it all is hilarious. And I think that's why you're deli gets away with being able
to like pander for a cheese. It's a promotion because if you have someone on there saying
like, you know, maybe,
you know, maybe we'll get like a TV show.
Because this, by the way, happens on Big Brother every season too.
Someone always is like, I don't know, I think maybe we'll get onto the Amazing Race.
Maybe after this, like we can have like our own special.
If we go do really well, we'll get a cameo on Days of Our Lives.
Everyone always like shoots for the moon, like for their reality show.
But Cordell's just like, I just want to influence for Cheez-Its. That's a big one. You know, I mean, he's got his eye on the proper prize because not
only are Cheez-Its chemically delicious. I mean, they do taste like, I mean, like if
cancer was orange dyed and put into a tasty snack, you know, like you know, you taste
that taste.
I don't think that's even a theoretical.
That's just what it is. Yeah. They just call it different names on the packaging, but on the ingredients list. But, you know, ultimately I think you get paid a lot more
for commercials than you do like winning, even winning big brother. I mean, what do you get now?
750. So I'll bet you could, he could probably work that into a million dollar deal.
And I think like the images that I saw,
it looks like that there are like these cheese at boxes with Cordell's face on
it. Unless that was like someone Photoshop that I would buy a cordel.
You go, I would buy a, I would buy a cordel box of cheese. It's look at us.
We're talking about it right now. That's brand awareness. You guys, it's huge.
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So Kenny and Janaye, yeah,
they said that they're boyfriend and girlfriend too.
And then so Ariana's like,
so who else is boyfriend and girlfriend?
Are you guys boyfriend and girlfriend, Leah?
And what's this hot guy who's way hotter without a shirt off,
let's be honest.
I was like, I don't like you in clothes.
Can you get me?
He looked really cheesy in his purple blazer,
his purple suit and black.
Of course.
He was adorable.
But it was giving night at the Roxbury.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah, cause you see so much of people's personality in their clothing, obviously,
right?
It's not the deep thing to say.
Like I'm an old Navy boy and I literally, it fits me.
Cranky, you know, last forever, inexplicably, put together by children hastily.
But yeah, I need him without his shirt.
Anyway, it gets to them and he's like, no, I mean, don't pressure us.
And I boyfriend a girlfriend.
What?
It's just so soon.
Yeah, I think that he should have worn
like a black suit with like a black shirt
and it should have been unbuttoned very far.
Cause like if he's got the body
and like he should just lean into that and be,
and he's also European.
So it can be like, I'm just wearing my black shirt and wearing my abs right now. That's what I'm doing. I'm European.
So how we do it? That should have been his look, not like purple blazer and black t-shirt.
But it was too soon for a relationship. It's not too soon. But I do think, now that I think about
it, Leah's the smartest one here and she also got the most followers out of all of this which we
Find out she's at three million something now that's nuts and crazy and I think she plays this whole like well
It's really like I think the reason I got those followers
Which by the way, no one asked her but ariana's like how many followers do you have now?
She was three three million and it looks like starts a body. That's like, how many followers do you have now? She was three, three million. And it starts a body.
And she got like a weird Instagram followers.
Like, I think the reason that I got so many Instagram followers is because I'm
just like a real girl.
It's like, you know, but I think that she got that many followers cause she's smart
and she knows how to play it.
She's funny.
She's not going to be a boyfriend and girlfriend relationship until she sells that shit for some
kind of a sponsorship deal. You know?
Well, also, like people feel bad for her.
People feel bad for her too because she was the victim of like Rob's manipulations.
And honestly, I think Rob got off this entire reunion very easily. I was very disappointed that he was not grilled more.
I felt like he was, well, we'll get to Rob in a moment. But right now, so then after Leah-
Well, hold on. Let me stick with Leah for one second, because now that I'm thinking about it,
I do like that Leah, her whole, I think one of the reasons she got more people than anybody else is
because she really did show more of a real side
of a person. Like when she let herself be like, fuck that bitch, or like when she got mad and
started like going off about Rob, that's ultimately stuff that people, especially her guy,
were kind of against. And like, I really don't like that side of a personality because everyone
else is just so fucking like, oh, I'm so into the romance of every little thing. All I care about is love and raw. And she actually like showed a little snarkiness and
a little bit of her bad side. She wasn't really afraid to do that. And I think people kind
of like that went like when everybody's not just a fucking robot.
Yeah, I think so. It was like, she was like surprisingly Winson. Like she came into the
season being like, if she felt like an awkward nerd, I was like, what is she even doing on
this show? And then she really emerged as this like really hilarious, self-possessed kind of kooky
person who always seemed to be aware that she was acting wild sometimes, but she's like,
but whatever, like my therapist loves it. I remember the first time we talked about
this show, I said, she reminded me of a girl who wore really thick glasses and finally got to
take them off and like try contacts for the first time. And her eyes are maybe kind of crossing
from it because she's not used to seeing like that. And just that look, but like she had that
makeover from like really thick glasses and finding out she's like a horse girl and all this.
I was just like, I think that's it too. You know,
it's like kind of maybe a nerdy girl who like blew up into this bombshell.
Like she also has a big booty.
More relatable.
Yeah. No, she's like definitely like the star and she's funny. I mean,
when she was on call me daddy or call her daddy, whatever. And, uh,
she was like, okay, okay. I may be dumb, but I'm not stupid or whatever it was.
Or maybe it was the other way around. Like that was such a funny line.
Like that is like,
it's the things like that that tumble out of her mouth are so hilarious.
Like you can't help but like root for her, you know?
Yeah. So then, um,
everything seems to be fine and dandy amongst all these people.
And then we finally get to Nicole and Kendall and like things have,
things have obviously gone wrong because they're being very silent and everything.
And Nicole's like, you can answer that one, Kendall. And he's like, um,
so it's been a bit tough coming on the outside.
I mean, not coming on the outside, that's a bad choice of words, but.
Oh my God. Coming on the inside of a phone. I shouldn't not coming on the outside. That's a bad choice of words. But oh my God, coming on the inside of a phone.
I shouldn't say that. Just coming. It's been really rough coming. It's not,
everybody knows I don't have a problem coming. What is wrong with me?
I just came. I literally just came.
I've been just trying to turn the other cheek. Wrong phrase, wrong phrase.
Um, so it's been really rough inside of me. Oh,
I'm just trying to spread the love. Wrong words, wrong words. Okay. So first, this couple, when we were watching this couple on the show,
I remember talking about how she's just so uncomfortable in this relationship. Like she
cannot be here for the happy times. She does not like it. She is her thing was like, I'm
so traumatized by like being mistreated. And she kept sobbing like, dad, can you believe I met someone who's nice to
me? And like, there was all of that. I think part of it too, is that she isn't used to
being in a non chaotic situation. And you can tell because she is so much more comfortable
in this chaos. She's more comfortable in this emotional chaos.
Yes, totally.
She's like a different person. I mean, she has new Yes, totally. She's like a different person.
I mean, she has new teeth, but she's also like a different
person because I think that we're seeing her in her element,
which is complete chaos with men.
Yeah, I think that's a really good point.
And so the big issue with them, so Kendall is traumatized
because he made so many of these videos and they all came out and we thought it was just one,
but there's like really a lot of them.
Is that what it is? There's a lot of them?
Yeah. I mean, it's like, there's tons of these videos and all of them, he's like,
oh yeah, fuck yeah. Which is like, oh my God, when you hear Kendall doing it, it's just,
it's not, it's not a sexy sound. Like, and we saw him do it on that one challenge. I was like,
oh God, please tell me that he doesn't do this. It's like, Oh, fuck. Yeah. I'm like, Oh gosh,
not Ken's old. So we have these videos that came out obviously very, very embarrassing for him in
this situation. You know, well, the first thing we heard answer, answer me this riddle me this
bad man. So I saw the first one, because we were talking
about it on the show. And at that time, we even cut it out of the episode that we were
talking about because I don't know, it felt icky. Like it's revenge porn. People were
saying online, oh, this is revenge porn. It's not cool to lead people to it. Right. So we're
like, okay, so we deleted it out of there because I don't want to be like that, you
know?
But then I guess it turns out that it wasn't that big of a,
he was lying about what it was.
So it turns out that there were a lot of them.
So where were they all coming from?
Were they-
I don't know.
He was sending to different people or-
I have no idea, but he was definitely like doing various
jerk off videos.
Like I definitely saw at least four.
I just feel like in 2024,
are there youthful people without jerk off videos?
Because that's what sort of funny.
It's so, everyone's so comfortable.
I mean, he fucked somebody on TV.
Why is that okay?
Like, why is it okay for Nicole and him to go on TV and fuck?
But I mean, I know it wasn't on camera,
but like still you're like fucking somebody on TV.
Like, why is that considered okay?
But then having a video of yourself celebrating
your own sexuality isn't okay.
And I'm not saying they should be prudish
about fucking on TV.
I'm all for that.
I'm just saying like, if we're so comfortable
with our sexuality, why is it so shameful all of a sudden?
I don't like that.
I feel like he should be allowed to be proud
of his sexuality just like everybody else.
Cause you know, everybody's got a dick pic in their phone
and everybody's got sex videos in their phone. And this could come out about any of us, even me,
probably. And what am I going to do? Like be ashamed? No. I mean, I would be ashamed of like
my fupa and stuff, you know, normal things, my baldness, my angle. Cause you know, I always take
that angle. So those things, but for the most part, like if we're going to be proud of our
sexuality, be proud of it. You don't owe anybody a fucking apology. That's for sure. Especially And I think that's the biggest thing. I think that's the biggest thing. I think that's the biggest thing. I think that's the biggest thing. I think that's the biggest thing.
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they should still be honest to his own terms. But there, I think,
there's definitely, let me clarify. It's not the leaking of it.
Then I'm saying is okay. Why can't we be able to lease it? I'm not saying that.
I'm just saying like,
why are we shaming somebody for their sexuality with that kind of video,
but not with fucking on TV, it's all sexuality and none of it should be shamed.
Right.
But it is one of those things where it's like,
oh, but you made a bunch of these videos,
and we are in a world where shit like this gets leaked.
Yeah, you gotta have a hobby.
It doesn't matter how many videos you make,
it should still be on your term,
but whether or not you release that to the public.
And like you said, it is sort of strange.
It feels like these days the reality TV to OnlyFans pipeline is strong.
Like this is just like people go on Love Island and then they're jerking off on OnlyFans.
And I don't think there is any shame about it.
Like, oh, cool. Like you're gonna make your money. Cool. Fun.
But there's a mom in the carpool line at my niece's school with a vinyl, she got like a vinyl thing printed out
and it says come to my OnlyFans and it has her address for her OnlyFans. A mom at the school.
I mean that's how normal it is. Everybody's on there. I think especially during the pandemic
when you got to work from home, people are just, I mean it's so much more normal than everybody's
making out to be that I'm just shocked
that anybody's at, it's like, you're not famous,
you're trying to get people to look at your new pics,
but then you get a little bit of fame and then you have
to pretend these things never happened and you're supposed
to be ashamed of them, fuck that.
So, but Nicole is mad and Nicole is like,
you haven't been communicating,
you haven't been communicating and like, well,
what's going on, what's the lie? So Kendall's like, well, when I got out of the villa,
and Aaron's like, just breathe, man, just breathe, just breathe. Oh, my God, like I'm breathing right
now. I can't wait to go meet Kayla's parents. They'll be like, so cute. We'll have so much fun,
we'll get some ice cream. I'm a good little boy. And like, I don't have to tell her anything about
Danielle at all. Not that I don't think at all because we have the best relationship, the best little time of all time. So Kendall is saying how,
well, just with that video, like I was, I'm going to say like that something happened
and I should have told Nicole the full truth, but I didn't tell the full truth. So Nicole's
like, okay, I just want to say something because obviously the video is not okay. Like nobody
deserves that. Everybody in this room can agree that that is fucked up. However,
I think if you say you love someone in the moment when you're telling me about
something, you need to be honest.
Instead of saying it's from years ago to someone you trust, an ex girlfriend.
And then I find out later from Janae that it was in the hotel room before you got
on the show and someone on a dating app. That's crazy. I was there for you.
That's why I haven't spoken up. I haven't said anything because it's fucking
awful what you've been through. But you also like you like weren't the most honest with
me about it.
Yeah. So basically she's saying he lied and said, Oh, I did this for a girlfriend and
then she sent it around. Right. So it was like revenge porn or whatever. But it wasn't.
He was just basically flirting on an app.
So I guess it's kind of normal.
So here's the thing.
It doesn't excuse a video like this being leaked
without your permission, but it also speaks
to Kendall being a fucking idiot.
You are in a hotel about to be on TV.
You're about to be on TV and you're going to do a video and send it to a stranger.
On an apple. It doesn't excuse, like he is the victim here still, but also people would be smart.
If you're about to be on TV, it'd be one thing if you made this video even like three months prior,
because you were not a public person, you had no concern about it. And then you, and then you, oh no, shit, now you're on TV and now it's all getting leaked.
It's like, oh, that sucks. But you're actually in the actor process of about to step onto
television and you do this. Like it's so fucking Kendall. Well, there are some layers here.
You know, first his reaction should have been, yes, that is so embarrassing. I'm humiliated. I'm getting
bullied online. People are ripping me apart and sex shaming me and doing all this shit, basically
shaming my butt or whatever they were doing. And it's not cool, but yeah, I did make sex videos and
it turns me on and I was doing that before I knew you. And if you can't be with me, I get it or
whatever. That's probably the most reasonable reaction. But beyond reacting improperly and lying about it,
I think a lot of what she's saying,
which it gets mixed up in this because people are like,
but Kenny's called, but Kendall has called all of us
and he's cried to all of us.
And that erupts in just a moment.
So we'll get into that full thing.
But I think a lot of what Nicole is getting frustrated
with here is that this guy's a douche bag. He's acting like it's, he was just such a victim when he wasn't a victim.
He was out there. I mean, he was a victim of the leak, but I'm saying he's been making a lot of
these videos and it's kind of normal to him, but he's acting like, Oh, and then, um, hold on.
I'm not forming my thought properly. I'm going to demo of that stuff. While you form your thought, I'm going to jump in and say, I think he is a douchebag.
We all have clocked him for being a douchebag.
He's not with us on Instagram is what she's saying.
She's like, you're not even calling me back or texting me, but then I look on your Instagram
and you're with all these fucking hot people all over club and soaking up the fame.
Right. And you're going to act like you are distraught over this experience and yet you're partying.
And I personally think what happened was that she came out of the villa and she saw that
everyone couldn't stand Kendall.
And then they couldn't stand her.
She got a lot of hate just for being with Kendall.
And a lot of people started to really dislike Nicole.
And she was like, oh, everyone hates me because they really just don't like you.
And it makes me look bad now.
And now you have this leak and it's like, Oh my God, this is like my boyfriend.
And like, yes, I defend him because he was leaked against him.
But like, Oh, and you've made a bunch of these.
Oh, and you also made one you acted like it was there from the distant past, but you just
made it right before you came onto a show where you're looking for love.
So I think she's just like, she was like, I am being hate like this guy's the douchebag and I'm receiving all the hate
for it and everyone hates me. So I'm going to make,
I'm going to make a big stand to win back some credibility with America because
everyone thinks I just like, you know,
I just back you up and I just want to show like I see the douchebaggery too.
But I think then what happens though is that Nicole,
she somehow, she really messes this up, I see the douchebaggery too. But I think then what happens though is that Nicole, she somehow, she really messes this up, I think. And she sort of makes it seem like she's the victim
of the situation when ultimately really is still Kendall who's the victim as much as,
like, no one wants to be on Kendall's side.
Pete Slauson Well, yeah, because she says, you know,
he goes through this whole, like, I can't even talk to my family about it, the trauma, the level of trauma. And she's like, yeah, but you're letting people talk shit about me.
And you're not defending me on podcasts and all of this. And you're not telling people
what happened. You're making it sound like this was revenge born or whatever. And so
people don't know the truth. And then you've been letting me take shit for the past three
fucking weeks. And I guess what she means by that is the news of the, the goss of the past three weeks
have been that she dumped him.
Like she saw this video and that she dumped him and judged him.
And people are like, you shouldn't be judging him because this was a revenge porn and he's
a victim.
Right?
So she's saying you're, you're fine with people making me look like a monster while you're
out partying with girls on Instagram and you've never even texted me and been okay. And he's like, but I have been, but,
you know, she's like, I don't care about texts, which is funny. Yeah, I've been texting you and
then you got mad at me. So I stepped away to give you time. And then it led to this domino effect
of us not being able to communicate. But then there's also this element too, where she's like,
just got out of, oh my goodness.
I was, it turns out we were on the most popular show in America for the whole summer and we
are superstars now.
And this is, oh my goodness.
And everyone else gets to go on these TikToks and IG lives and get to go on podcasts and
she can't do any of it because she's trying to protect him.
And she also probably doesn't want to deal with questions of like how could she still be with this guy when he did all like he's clearly
you know like make you know he's making sex tapes da da da da da da da so she had to lay low while
everyone else got to do a victory lap and have a bask in their newfound fame she had to lay low
and she's pissed about it i think that's what she's trying to say right now like you don't even
check on me like i'm going through shit.
I don't even get to be famous.
My window is closing.
Yeah. And you're saying you're traumatized,
but you're still out there popping bottles
all over Instagram, you know?
And so then he keeps trying to apologize and cry
and being like, oh, but, but, but.
And she's not having it.
She's like, no.
And so she keeps crying.
And so then the cast starts jumping in.
So first it's Janaye.
And she's like, well, what so she keeps crying. And so then the cast starts jumping in. So first is Janaye.
And she's like, well, what does he need to do to prove it to you? Because he's reached out to a
lot of us asking like, for advice. So what does he need to do? And she's like, um, he's going
on podcasts. And it would have been nice if he went on a podcast and said, I lied to Nicole.
And that's why we're going through it. Because I'm a big fucking liar. That would be nice instead of making it look like I'm a fucking
villain, you know?
And the whole cast is really coming down on Nicole and a lot of people on Twitter too,
because they're like, they're like, wow, I can't believe I'm on Kendall's side and said
Nicole because she really, as she tries to argue her point, it starts to get to a place
where it sounds like she's saying that she's the true victim in this and I think that probably
What she's going through is like she went through horrific relationships in the past
That's what she always talked about was always a bad relationship and so much of love Island is
Okay, we're in this bliss. We're in we're in this bubble of love Island
But how is it gonna work in the real world? Like what is like? Can this work in the real world?
That's the big question that lingers over all of them.
And the very first thing that happens,
the very first thing that happens is this shit happens with the video and he
lies about it. And it's like,
if the if your first sort of real world experience is a lie and you've been
through, you know, trauma with past relationships, you know,
she's going to lose her mind and everything.
And I kind of feel like that's what she should have said, is how this is really like, it's the
worst thing, it was the worst thing for them to step into the real world segment on that note.
But instead, she just keeps on saying like, you didn't check on me, you didn't see what I was
going through, you didn't see what I was going through, which makes it seem like she was the
big victim in the sex situation.
And I think she is doing that.
And I think the cast kind of coming at her, she's, she's really not playing
her hand very well here.
And I know that everything's not a housewife show and it's not all about
having a hand, but she's just playing the situation really badly.
And she kind of got her point across in the beginning, but she just keeps going.
And I think what I'm sensing that she's really saying is,
we're supposed to be a couple.
I'm sitting at home while you're out living the life.
What am I doing?
And I'm getting all the hate.
You're taking shit from people on the internet.
Meanwhile, you're living this party life
and that's not fucking fair.
So don't come on this show and start crying
like you're some victim when you've been out living
like this Hollywood life and I'm fucking stuck at home.
This sucks, you know?
Yeah.
And I think it is kind of that, you know, they can't be this much in love after two
seconds.
I think she's like, you're, you're the one who made a mistake, but of course
you're the man.
So you're being like celebrated at the end of the day for all of this shit.
I didn't even do anything and I'm the one getting shamed for it.
You know?
Right.
And then they keep on saying to her, no, your feelings are absolutely valid. What
you're saying is valid, but we're just saying you have to listen to Kendall. And I was like,
listen to Kendall, your feelings are valid. You have totally right to feel that way,
Nicole. But listen to Kendall, he really likes you. He really likes you. Which also I think is so,
I think if I were mad at someone and everyone around me was like, but they really like you,
I would be mad. I'm like, I'm trying to talk about how I feel. Like I'm supposed to just ignore
what I feel because they feel something about me. Like they feel good about me. So therefore
I should just abandon all my valid reasons for being frustrated right now.
Well, and it's making it worse for her because Kendall is playing it really well. So Kendall's
just being more and more of a victim. So now it's like, and this happened to me, but then
Michael didn't even talk to my family. Now you're being mean to me. And she's just not letting him
have it. And she's getting, she's going more and more in cause she's getting frustrated that he's
being a victim. And then everybody starts jumping along his side because she won't let it go after
he apologized. And so now they're like, but he's done nothing but call us all. Okay. If he's called all,
if he's called this many people to talk about how upset he is about how she's treating him,
don't you all see that as some form of manipulation at some point where he's calling every single
person in the cast to galvanize you kind of against Nicole and how she's treating him
in this whole situation. And I think it's starting to frustrate her. She's like, even
the girls. And then so she's like, Jane, how would you feel if you found this shit out about Kenny and
then Kenny lied to you? And she's like, if Kenny apologized and he said to me there was
before me, I would totally get over it. You would not. You would not. Do we need to rewind
with your reaction to Kenny coming back with somebody from the whatever the hot house,
whatever the fuck it's called the Casa
fuck another, whatever it is. Give me a break. Yeah, all honestly, all Nicole had to say is,
I mean, Ariana, you're a Tom Sandoval. You get it. You get it. The lie that becomes another lie
that it's like a little lie here, then it's a bigger lie, then a bigger lie. Also, he's just such a douchebag anyway. Like on the show, his behavior on the show, the
whole like, you know, the way that he would act one way to your face and then he'd go
behind your back and try and get everybody to be like, Oh no, cheat on her. Go cheat
on her, bro. You totally should. I mean, everybody should know that he's a piece of shit. He
just hides it behind this like smile and everybody's like, Oh, okay.
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how did it feel watching it back? And Rob's like, uh,
I think I'm like a dumb ass. And I think that's just like, I don't know.
Like I just couldn't think I got really emotional. And for some reason,
I just put this with that, like this whole night with Leah as well.
Like these two moments just like trigger the same like emotion of like,
what the fuck or like, what are you doing? It literally,
he literally made no sense. He didn't have to answer for,
he didn't really have to answer for like why he considered himself the victim
when he was deciding or pitting Leah and Andrea against each other. And then he made himself
a victim. He never had to answer for that. He never had to answer for how, like basically
the, the lies that he kind of like, he didn't have to answer for the fact that he filled
Andrea up with all these, all these, uh, sentiments of like, yeah, like we're really connected.
Like this is it. Like this is your, you're my person. Like all that stuff.
Like I'm going to leave without you. He pretends like he's going to leave with her.
And then he like pretends like he's tortures,
like I probably should stay just for this experience. Like,
but implying that like what they have is special and he's going to see her on the
other side. And then immediately a day later is just like flirting with other
people. And then Andrea, I mean, Andrea has a whole other issue, which we'll get to, but like,
you know, she's fallen for this guy and he never has to answer for basically the,
the pile of lies he sold her the bill of goods.
Well, Andrea made such an asset out of herself outside the house. She did the house that she completely fucked herself over. So she
has no leg to stand on because now she just looks like a thirsty attention whore and everybody's
just going to paint her with that. You know, so she's going to lose no matter what she
does and it doesn't help that she can't speak because she just keeps repeating everything
over and over and she's like, but then like, I mean,
I could see those two having dinner together and my, my ears start bleeding.
Like she,
I can just imagine being a waiter at that table and just wanting to take the
tongs and shove a dinner roll in their mouths and just be like, yeah, why,
please just eat this bread.
Well, you know what though, that like he, like she,
she really should have just been on the offense and she was on the defense.
She was trying to explain why she did so many tick tocks and everything.
But personally, like I think that she just, she was Gaga for the guy.
And she just was like excited about it. And I mean,
I haven't really watched all her tick tocks at all because it's like, I mean,
let's, that's, that's a lot. But you know,
I kind of feel like he filled her up with this idea that they were going to have
a relationship and that something meaningful was going to happen.
I think she was excited about it. And then he came out of the villa and was like,
Whoa, she's been doing like a lot of Tik Tok. She's like cuckoo crazy.
And I just feel like that sucks so much. And I would have loved her to say, Rob,
why did you say X, Y, and Z to me? This and that Larsa Pippen,
why did you sell both goods?
Why did you try to pretend like you were going to leave the villa with me? Make me feel like what we have
was something very deep and genuine. And then it turns out like a day later, you're already
moving on to someone else. I would have just liked him to have answered for it. And I think
that she didn't have to explain herself. I think she, I think Rob had to explain himself.
But I think if she was going to explain herself or have anything to say, she needed to work
on it because yes, if you're going to work on it. And it's just three, it's three paragraphs,
paragraphs of her just not making any sense. She's just saying God, I heard that's crashing
through the ceiling. Jesus. She's like, yeah, because like we were in like the villa, but then
when we weren't in the villa, but like I was getting attacked for stuff and it wasn't even true stuff, but like I was getting attacked.
But it's like if you're in the villa, but then you're not in the villa anymore, it's
like different because when you're in the villa, you're in it.
But then when you're out of it, it's not inside a villa.
You know what I mean?
And everyone's like, no.
And then Leah's rolling her eyes.
So I was like, what happened here? So she goes through this whole thing with, um, she got dumped and she was sad about it. And she thought,
well, maybe America will empathize with me and like what I was going through. And then Leah just
turns around and she's like, I'm so sorry, but you're like, after son, you said that I act out of
emotion and you would never act that way. And that's all you're saying right now. So like, that's kind of like,
I'm not really sure to the word about it, but it's like,
what you're doing isn't cool.
And then I don't know where Janay whips out her papers, her staple papers,
her packet. She goes, um, hi, this is Janay for the defense.
You also said that she was two faced in your after son.
And let me see on page 45.
Let's see. Let's start page four. Are you ready? You know what she went through before you left.
She went through a lot. So to call her a two-face of all people, she bit her tongue so many times.
And yes, she talks shit about Rob. She mits that all the time, but she never talks about Rob to you directly.
So you can apologize to her now.
Yeah. And she's like, um, no, like I understand again, like, so like, again, like, I'm sorry for the things I said, which you didn't say you're sorry yet.
In all of those words, I never heard, and I'm sorry, but okay.
And she's like, but it wasn't like a malicious intent.
It was like, um, the intent of like like when you have intent outside of a villa.
But then your intent's like different inside because it's not outside.
Does that make sense?
Calling someone two faced is malicious.
You don't understand that now.
But I'm telling you, calling someone two faced malicious isn't that right, Kenny?
Calling someone two faced is in fact malicious.
And Andrea says, well, you guys reposted a video making fun of me.
And Leah's like, I was really nice.
Do you know how dumb I feel coming out?
Because I stood up for you and everything.
I even commented on one of your pictures on Instagram.
And then people are like, Leah, look at this. Leah, look at that. And I was like, is it about a horse? Otherwise, no things.
But then it slipped through and I felt so dumb.
And then Andre was like, but this is the problem that I have because like I generally got on
with all you guys so well. And then when I came out of the villa, I was getting attacked
saying I was like a mean girl. Things like based off the show, I was like, I was like,
I want out. And Liv was like, yeah, but like based off the show I was like I was like I want out and live is like yeah
But you know what they but watching back the show you met you made some snarly comments many times and like Miguel was asking us
Who was with you?
Leah said like while I'm single and you said you're welcome and that's what one and the next thing is like when here
I was working out with Miguel the gym. You said oh, this is the first time we've seen Hannah in the gym, too
Like that's really rude. That's actually really rude.
I'm actually going to stand up right now and stomp on over to you.
But I'm going to hold myself back because that's kind of my pattern to move.
But that was like really rude.
Yeah. And that's how you do with it without a list.
All right. That's how you do without a list.
But here's what I do need instead of a list of things.
I need to lick my legs intensively.
She's got the Diana Jenkins lip licking, which
I cannot believe we never mentioned before, but oh my God, the lips. I think she just
keeps getting fresh filler or something. So it's a typical thing where you can't really
feel them. It's like coming out of the dentist, but man, it's just like, and then, and then
let me tell you how I feel about this. You were snobby.
And Rob's like, I can't even hear the sound of that.
And I was like, sorry.
I guess it was all like really shocking to me because the Andrea that I knew,
that I knew like, wasn't really like that.
And she was like really calm and like really put together and like,
I thought she handled situations really well. And then I got out.
And then I saw like a hundred TikTok lives.
And I'm not saying you're not that person,
but I think America can see that you're just a wackadoodle
crazy woman, right?
Why are you so obsessed with me?
This is so annoying.
And I guess Andrea pissed a lot of the girls off
when she was in there.
So I get that and being outside of it,
but it really does bother me that here we are with Rob,
of all people, getting to sit there and lecture somebody. It really...
Yeah. And this girl is up here. She gives like this monologue that goes on for 10 minutes.
It's so long and incoherent.
Yeah, she's not helping herself. And I just wish there was like, Dame Judy Dench
to be here to read it. Like to give it some, because I can't with her. But I was like, no, I agree.
I just think it wasn't even put on a platform
where I'm being attacked left and right.
And I went through like a week of just literally,
like, what do I do?
I can either just let people think these things
or I can speak on it.
And that's what I did.
I mean, give it something, but it's just like 10 minutes of like,
but then like, should I like speak on it?
So then like I did, cause like, it's like a platform and you can either be on a
platform or you're not on a platform. You know what I mean?
Yeah.
It just goes on and on and on and eventually starts talking about how people
were mean to her and everything, yada, yada, yada. And then Ariana asked like, well, when you watch the show back, do you
feel like you understood why the girls chose you to be the one to go home? And Andrea was
like, a hundred percent, a hundred percent. I had no idea. I had no, I didn't, I, I, you
know what? And guess what? I just got a message from future me that's about to watch the whole
scene in about an hour. And I still don't
understand. I don't understand the logic whatsoever.
Pretty much. So she's like, you know, I was like, I'm like watching it and I see it for
what it is like they picked Janaye because like they're friends with her. So like, I'm
like valid, that's valid.
And there's like, can I say that was not the reason actually.
And he goes, that literally wasn't the reason.
Can we speed up the tape?
I know fast forward.
Jesus Christ.
Fast forward, the very first thing in that scene
was them going, okay, so we all agree that we saved Janaye
because she's our friend.
Yeah, she's family, she can't go home.
Okay, let's move on to the other two. I mean, realistically,
realistically, Janae was the one that was supposed to have gone home in that situation. I mean,
Andre and Rob were in a good situation. Nicole and Kendall had something going on. Janae had no one
and like she should have gone home, but they saved her because she's a friend and that's fine.
But for them to be like, that's literally like not even a reason why should we save Jana? Janae, you didn't even talk to Janae. We watched the whole scene.
You didn't even talk about Janae for 10 minutes. You went back and forth about two people.
It didn't even cross your mind to even come up with some theoretical considerations to send Janae home.
Yeah. So, um...
I'm glad they kept her, but like logically they probably should not have.
So what is this backseat thing? I forget.
So because they had a big, there was a fight and this may have been during the
week when you weren't watching. But, um,
basically after Andrea was kicked off like two days later,
I forget the sequence of events, but I think it was Aaron.
I think Aaron was the one who started asking who was the one who was
pushing for Andrea to be kicked off.
And then why it just, it was either Aaron did it or Rob. One of them did it.
They were trying to get to the bottom of it. And, um,
then Rob confronted Leah saying,
I heard that you were the one trying to get
Andrea kicked off. And she goes, no,
I was trying to take a back seat in that situation. And then live,
live, they bring live into it. And she starts firing off.
Like you absolutely were not in the back seat. You were driving it.
You were not in the back seat. So it became a lot of like,
who was in the front seat? Who was in the back seat? Oh, okay.
It was a big fight. It's a big, stupid fight.
So now they're having a discussion of like, to find a back seat.
Yeah. Okay. So then, um, now it's Brad, it's pizza hut time.
So they do that.
Which I honestly might have some pizza hut today because it works. It worked on
me.
You know what? It did really make me think, Oh my God, that is a delicious pizza.
Like the deep fried dough or whatever that dough is made of the crust. Oh my God.
It actually is kind of good. But yeah, so they do that. Then we come back.
And then it's the bombshell section where we talk about how hot bombshells are
and Harrison. I mean, God bless you. Thank God you're pretty because literally
can't even, I don't remember a thing about him. Yeah. You know, so then, oh,
sorry, go ahead. No, I was going to say it was huge. Just like, yeah, I just, they gave me money to come out here. So I came
out here. That's it. I knew I only had, there was only one week left. I knew I wasn't going to be
able to move the needle on anyone, but why not? Yeah. And then we get Connor and Connor's like,
yeah, like everything is like so great, you know, cause like I met guys and like the guys are so nice and like, we're like a family cause like they're guys and I'm a guy too.
So like sometimes we'll just be like, I'll be a guy and then they'll be a guy and we'll be like, okay, you want to pee? God, thank God the end, I even kind of forgot I was a bombshell at all.
It's hard.
It's hard being like deeply attractive.
It can be so scary to walk into situations
and being judged for just being beautiful,
but in the end you just forget how beautiful you are.
I forgot how hot it was.
It's crazy. CBer Okay. So then, Ariana asks, what's this buns? Kenny, oh, you brought Catherine back.
Do you regret that decision? And he's like, no, didn't he say no?
KB Yeah. He's like, well, I mean, like,
I was honoring what I felt in the moment.
So, but basically, and Catherine's like,
I mean, in the real world, I mean,
I'm not gonna go after someone who has a man.
Like, that was not gonna be real,
but like, I'm on a TV show, so I tried it.
And then, you know, this is basically like the segment
where we check in on people who have nothing,
there's like nothing for them to offer to the reunion. Well, I actually kind of liked this because this is the section
where they talk about how much it sucks to be cast as a bombshell because it's not fair or a casa
whatever girl, I keep wanting to say Casa Vega, which is a Mexican food restaurant here, but a casa
amor person because the internet hates you, all the girls in the house hate you, everybody hates
you and you're like, what the hell?
I got cast on the same show you fuckers did. My,
my mouth is just a little sideways. So I had to come in after,
like this is not fair.
Like why do you guys get praise and you guys get all these promotion deals and
people scream for you when you walk in,
we did the same job and people hate our asses.
Like I can't even go on fucking Twitter anymore without people calling me a
whore. Like what the hell man?
And I think that a very valid point. And you know, the,
I think the girls were pretty good about it where they're like, listen,
none of this was your fault. We know it's the guys, like any of the,
any of the problem was with the guys, but these girls are traumatized.
And I know some trauma I believe because they really don't deserve this.
You know, no one's more traumatized than Liv who's like cast is hard,
but I like I take my head off to you guys because at the end of the day,
you know what you did was like really difficult being a cast girl,
but like bombshells it's just as hard being a bombshell. Okay.
Justice for bombshells.
I came in and I had to steal someone's man on the first day and they just got to
this experience and I'm like, I had to try to like take that away from everyone.
Like within every like six years, like not even like like I went in, I showed every person in front
of them and then like went like, okay, I'm gonna choose your man and then you're left vulnerable.
And I just, by the way, I hope you're all okay. So like you have to understand being a bombshell,
it's probably the hardest thing to do in America right now. And I'm not even American.
I was like, I was like a one woman version of the West Wing walking very rapidly from person to
person into non-hallways of the casa, or the villa, trying to try and steal men. You think that's easy
for me? And I was like, we're not trying to take anything away from your experience. Like,
of course, that's hard as well. I think what we're trying to say is it's really hard signing
up to be a piece of meat on a TV show. And then even the other pieces of meat are calling you meat smelling.
Does that make any sense?
Yeah.
Like we are told to go try and make a connection just the same way you guys are.
And like, it just sucks, but that's just the way it is.
And like, maybe we went about it the wrong way. I'm like, no,
don't apologize for how you did it. You did it the right way.
You didn't do anything the wrong way. The guys did it the wrong way.
And I like that she actually says, you know,
and I feel like every single person on this couch,
this is still Daya.
She has a big monologue about this.
Big monologue.
Hating people who didn't deserve it,
and this is none of their fault.
And it's true.
And I think even how the show frames it,
we all kind of feel that way,
because it's framed this way.
The show is built this way.
They come in as man-stealers, and you're supposed to hate their asses because every time they show them
I'm kind of like oh, you know, she tried to steal your man, you know
But they were cast that way and so she gives a whole monologue about it and then
She says this which I really liked she says for like weeks
My social media was just too fucking much and I feel like every single person on this couch, we need to be better at
realizing that even if you repost something or you make a comment, or you
don't acknowledge when someone's in the background talking shit or whatever,
like you guys have to realize how it affects people.
And if someone says even the smallest thing that's rude about someone else,
you're cosigning your fucking followers to go and drag the other person
And that's not okay, and this isn't on you Serena because I don't think you've said anything
That was that was good. That was so sad because it's true like they get all these followers
And then we've seen how this just these followers get listen up with us
But listen I'm tagged on a Melissa Gorga post right now. It's like every day it's another like, oh, fuck you, Melissa Gorga, you stupid skank, you ruined the show.
Like people, when people like have their knives out
on reality stars or just celebrities, they really come out.
And I kind of feel bad for the people on this show
because they're all kind of young
and people are going really hard at Andrea and Dea.
People were totally dragging, uh,
they, uh, for like wanting to be with OBJ, like wanting to get to OBJ, et cetera.
So I genuinely feel bad because it's vicious out there.
And that's why they have like this PSA moment where Ariana looks at the camera
and goes, I think that it's really important to be kind to our Islanders.
Unless of course one of the islanders
is Tom Sandoval. Right, that fucker deserves it. But you know, even her, like in her season,
she had every right to go after Raquel or whoever else and she never did.
Yeah. And I like Leah being like, can I say one thing? Can I say one thing by the way? Like,
I love my followers, all three million of them, scattered applause again, anyone? Thank you.
No demise, not necessary, but not necessary, but thank you. But like, you know, everyone
like Sierra, like I don't want people to think I hate anyone sitting here except for Andrea
and like even Rob, like let's please spare the man, spare the man.
It's pretty funny.
No.
Yeah.
This, I mean, I understand the utter hypocrisy of being on this podcast.
I'm particularly singing it because I am evil.
But we're doing it on our own show and we're being, we're just, you know, we don't.
And I don't need to even, like, I don't even need to justify it because I'm going to keep
doing it anyway.
So, but I just want to say, like, I want to put it out there, like, I get the hypocrisy,
but just seeing what these girls go through, and I do mean the girls
because the guys don't go through it the same. You know, I know the guys are on the same
show, but we don't all live in the same world as if anybody needs more evidence of that,
watch this show and look at the sadness in these girls' eyes and what they've gone through.
I know. I'm really Andrea.
I can guarantee you, Connor didn't go through that.
Yeah, exactly. And Aaron will try to make you think
that he went through that, but he didn't.
And speaking of which, we now have the Kayla and Aaron
segment, which goes just about as well as I was hoping.
So, you know, Arianna's like, so how have things
been going for you guys since you left the villa?
And Aaron goes, not very good, not very good.
I think we, okay, I'm just gonna come out and say it. I lied to Kayla.
I like, is everyone listening? This is my accountability moment.
I've learned how to be accountable, which is you just say it. I lied.
I lied to Kayla straight up. I didn't tell her the whole truth. You know,
I put my hands down, Danielle's pants. I kissed her. I snogged her.
We had loads of romantic connections. We played Uno. We played connect four.
I made a breakfast. You know, I stuck my finger in her vagina. You know, we You know, we played we've tried to catch fireflies in the lawn at night things like that
But I was I wasn't honest with Kayla. What's it? Okay. I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait
Go back to that other thing. You just said you put your hands down her pants
I've impregnated a smurf, you know, you know went to lunch that sort of thing. What stuff?
Did but stuff, you know, we played badminton in the backyard
What was his? Point in this why is he suddenly confessing that he put his hands down?
Daniela's pants does he think that Danielle is gonna say something or that they have footage as somebody told him
This is coming out today. You better get ahead of it, buddy
I think he's trying to be super super super, super accountable as per coaching from Rob and others.
And I think that he forgot that he didn't say that part yet. And so Kayla's like, what? Like,
wait, you didn't tell me this two days ago when I was asking you in a hotel room? Like, fuck, Aaron.
Fuck. Aaron, be honest with me look me in the eyes like when you
say that like don't look at Ariana I'm like tired of it like we're here for three days
and you can't even say that like I'm so upset with you right now, Aaron!
I walked into the villa being so f**king confident, like, f**k! And like, you beat me
too! You beat me too, Aaron! You beat me too! And like, I left like a different f**king
girl! Like, it's not cool and it's not fun, Aaron! Like, look at me now!
Hey, I don't agree with anything that's been said, but I think that like every time I talk to Aaron
I mean, I tell you the same thing every time Aaron just be accountable and he's just like an idiot and like I love him
But he is like, you know, he struggles. He's got problems. He's not perfect
But he's not a horrible person and he's a boy. So therefore you should let him off easy
person and he's a boy so therefore you should let him off easy. I know but everyone acting like Kayler has just given this speech for the first
time like this is the speech she gives every episode why are we acting like
this is something new? Fast forward to Kayler snuggling in bed with Aaron in
New York.
Well we only had one night together so I trusted you and fuck!
Like you stuck your penis inside the cab driver,
you're in fuck. Do you understand Aaron that I went through all of Casa Amor and I didn't even
talk to anyone, I was closed off the entire time, I was sleeping in salt ice and then you find out
six months later that your hand was downed and yellows pants like fuck, that's so fucked up Aaron.
like, fuck, that's so fucked up, Aaron.
So then she's like, yeah, like I watch this show, I got like, so upset, like I was just so upset.
So upset, Aaron.
And she talks about how she watched it,
but I was away from my support system,
so like I didn't even see what was going on really,
you know, and she's saying that. Her support system was like doing like, they were like doing see what was going on really, you know, and she supports them was like, doing like they were like doing
a conga line like drinking Mars. They're like, Oh, God,
Kayla is not here. So happy. No kidding. Thank God. So Aaron is
like, wait a minute, but that's not you can't do that, you know,
because she's saying, you know, I still after watching casa like
Aaron was going through the most and I talked to him and I still texted him even though I was like so
mad at him because wait, hold on, that's not no, my granddad passed away on that fucking
day on the morning of the BFF podcast. And four hours later, I told you that as well.
And you still want on BFS. And you still shout all over me on that show. You did not support
me once on that show. My grandpapa died. You don't get to like, you knew she was going on a podcast.
You told her your grandfather died.
Yes.
And she disregarded your manipulation, sir.
Exactly.
And I was proud of her for acknowledging that he was love bombing her.
And especially when she, and she brought up something that I totally forgot about, which is how he freaked out when she kissed Hakeem in a challenge.
And, and then he does Hakeem in a challenge. And, uh,
and then he does all the stuff in Casa more. And then it's just like, well, it's just what I wanted
to do at the time. So, uh, I love also when he does the, he talks about his grandfather and they're
like, Oh, whatever. Like live, especially as like, Oh no, they don't want to hear it. They're like,
we don't care. You can't pull the dead grandfather hard on us. See? Yeah. And she's like, I said my condolences. I asked you how your family was doing.
And I asked you, I texted you. So don't say I didn't text you because I was. I did text you.
I was there. I mean, not there, but I was there on text.
And he's like, I from the bottom of my heart, like everything. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry.
I just want you to know that, what are you doing?
My hands are down the pants of this couch right now.
Actually, I'm so sorry.
Sorry I couldn't help it.
Actually, it was a crack.
It was an exposed crack.
Sorry to you, couch.
I'm sorry for everything.
For everything I put you through, including the fact
that I asked Daniela to be my girlfriend before I asked you.
What?
You didn't even know me that.
What are you, Erin?
Let's see.
I've told you every single thing now.
I've told you everything.
So I hope you can forgive me.
I really am sorry.
I married Daniela.
I actually married Daniela.
What?
Wait a second, little fox.
Wait, when did you get married?
You didn't even invite me to that?
It was practically, it was like five minutes.
We loped.
I slept alone in soul times. All right, well, you get married? You didn't even invite me to that? I was practically, it was like five minutes, we loped. I slept alone in soul ties!
Alright, well, you know what, we've had five children.
Oh god, I'm so sorry, I might have told you that.
Don't be love bombed, okay, you know what, you can do this, and you can love bomb me all you want,
but that's not what it's about, okay, but I'm a strong killer now, and like, I don't care anymore,
and like, you can't even bother me anymore, and getting the way you know I'm stronger is because I took out my index finger and I'm lagging
in a very small way and you can't bother me anymore, Aaron.
So one of the most asked questions Ariana says is the fire pit scene.
Is it?
What was the fire pit scene?
Why was it a most asked question?
We all watched it.
I was like, I know what happened.
Why obviously I did not watch it during this time. And so I was like,
Oh my God, the controversial scene, did they not air any of this?
Cause they aired,
I think five hours of the scene of these people just repeating themselves over
and over and there seemed to be nothing controversial in it. So I'm confused.
This was honestly, I was like, Oh cool. I love that they're doing this.
They showed all the angles. I was like, this is cool. I was like,
this scene went on for so long and I have to give a major round of applause to
our note taker, Jessica,
cause she transcribed every single moment of this whispered 10 minute scene.
And I have to tell you, I was like, okay, we get it. We get it.
Leah thinks that on Leah's logic is that Andrea,
We get it. We get it. Leah's logic is that Andrea came in and immediately went for Rob and locked Rob down and that felt like she wasn't playing the game because she wasn't
trying to get to know other people. Whereas Nicole is trying to get to know other people
and that's more a worthy gameplay. Honestly, the logic did not really pan out on either
end and we saw them say it over and over and over and over and over again.
Yeah. But Liv is the bossiest, so she wins because that's how I live. It's a team project
leader who you don't even know if you know, one is even confident that anything you're
going to turn in is going to be right. But she told you to, and you're, I will listen
to her. I wouldn't do whatever she told me to because she also just has that lip-licking. I don't know. I don't lip-licking way about her. I just would listen
to her. She's confident. Yeah. She's just like, okay. So, because Liv, I think was advocating more
for Nicole to leave, right? And it was Leah who was like, but here's my feeling of why, why Andrea
should leave. So it's, I do think that like, Leah was more, was more active in advocating for Andrea to leave,
but I would not say that she was jumping in being like,
you guys, you guys, you guys, it has to be Andrea,
it has to be Andrea.
It didn't really, it seemed like there was as much
as anyone else was.
Well, Liv would kind of take what everyone else was saying,
like a team leader, she would take what everyone else
is saying and she'd be like, all right, your idea,
here it is, so that girl is gonna go,
this is the reason she's going to
go. And here's what I'm going to say when I announce it. Is that correct? Is that what
I'm going to say? Can I say that? Cause I don't really know if that's the truth. What
do you think Kayla? Go ahead, Kayla. All right. Kayla thinks that wouldn't be fair because
this girl was actually trying. So we were going to punish people for trying. That's
what Kayla said. You know what? Kayla's got a point too. So here's what we're going to
say. We're not going to pull it. I'm not going to punish someone for trying. Is that right?
That's what I'm going to say. So that need more pizzazz.
Should I work on that language?
Betty, would you run away with that?
I know you're not on this show, but Betty, go ahead.
Do that.
The producer was like, could you guys hurry up?
It's been 10 hours.
All right.
Could you just get us some more folding chairs?
I need to put my feet on something.
I've got these dogs screaming, these dogs screaming.
All right.
Can I get a whiteboard for a pie chart?
Was that too many words in one sentence?
Whiteboard, white chart.
Let's go.
Can I get a whiteboard for a pie chart? Was that too many words in one sentence?
Whiteboard, white chart, let's go.
So we watched the whole thing.
And so basically, Leah feels like she finally got vindication and Liv apologizes to her.
And you know, Leah's like, what I was trying to say was that I was trying to take a
backseat like words matter guys especially if you're like me and you have three million followers on
Instagram thank you thank you thank you I appreciate that I had a time thank you
yeah and she's like I don't want to eliminate Nicole for the sole fact that she's like open, you know what I mean?
So anyway, basically there's some apologies, there's some moving on, there's a huge,
this huge revelation, everybody's shocked by it. I was like, I don't,
that was fun, I guess. I just really could use any 10 minute scene with Liv doing that. Yeah. It was funny watching Liv trying to navigate through the logic and the discussion.
But I was like, man, this is going on for a very long time.
So then Liv, it's like, all right. So Rob comes in like, Rob, what do you think the
ultimate victim? Because Leah's like, I mean, you were even more bothered than me. You talked
about it more than I. Wait, who is this?
Aaron? No, the yelling at Aaron.
It was yelling at Aaron. Yeah.
Because Janay says, OK, Aaron, you called them idiots for sending
Andrea home when the obvious person was Janay.
Remember that? And Aaron's like, well, I apologize then for that.
You know, I didn't mean to do that.
I said it because you weren't in the couple and the other girls were in the couple.
And I just had my first child go off to college
with them. Did I just say that? So sorry. Actually, let me apologize.
Fuck.
So then Leah's like, yeah, but then you went around planting it in everyone's ear, Aaron
and goes, no, I didn't. And she says, yeah, you were more bothered than me. Like you talking
about it more than I did. You were dramatic at the fire but telling everyone like I literally told you what the fuck I said
Like are you just like a gossip or are you a bitch? Like what's happening?
Um, I think that he told me because like he was like my friend
It's like he wasn't even part of it
Like by the fucking way we roll the tape
of me saying I tried to like I didn't say I took a backseat I said I was
trying to roll the fucking tape keywords okay how about we do some SEO on this
bitch and guess what Google will find my face because I said I was trying to okay
and Rob's so annoying just coming in this white night,
his little man, every single time.
He's like, I'm not saying that you did do anything.
It's just like, that's what I got from y'all's conversation.
She goes, let's not get the blurred lines, okay?
Cause that stuff was canceled when I was in kindergarten.
So like, listen, you said Leah took the back seat
and Rob goes, which is my fault.
And Leah lived, goes, which is my fault. And the ellipse of shut up.
Well, she said what I was going to say that conversations, what led to our
conversation, I wasn't going to go talk to Leah about all that with some more
information. It's like, you should talk.
I didn't know what he means by any of that. So Ariana's like, Rob, please
finish. Because all I'm saying is I'm not blaming you guys for it, but from my perspective,
the girls had their POV, which was stupid.
It didn't make sense.
Girls are crazy.
And they went with their logic, which didn't make any sense.
And it was just different from the guys.
And it was just like a different decision, sort of like how I decided to be normal and
Andrea decided to be crazy obsessed with me.
So then he's like, yeah, I wanted to get clarity. That's all,
you know, like I never would have said anything to you about it.
And I would have moved on and Leah's like, Oh, excuse me, may I get into this
conversation? So then she talks more about the backseat and whatever.
And she said, I, I knew that if we sent her home, Rob's going to hate me forever,
you know, and I did not sway it towards Andrea and that's all,
that's what I'm always blamed for. And I did not do it. So thank you.
Thank you very much.
Yeah. So now it's a bathroom break.
So some of like the people who were barely on the show, Cassie,
Cassidy and Nigel,
they go and they have a scene also to hawk Pizza Hut.
And this is like, this reminded me of like seventh grade improv.
They're like, wow, God, this reunion's hard.
This is a real, thank God there's pizza.
This is, wow, this pizza is so good.
Man, what would we do without this pizza?
This is good pizza.
Oh God, isn't it fun being back with everyone and this pizza?
Glad to see some hearts have melted out there.
Just like this cheese is melted on top of this pizza.
You know, some people have a hard exterior, but they have a gooey inside just like this
cheese stuffed crusts.
That girl is really getting heated.
She sure is saucy.
I hope there's more sauce and less salt.
Toppings, am I right? I hope there's more sauce and less salt.
Toppings. Am I right?
So Ariana's like, well, we have time for a few more viewer questions.
I'm like a few more. We never even started, but that's fine. So
Rob, will you ever retire the overalls? And he's like, uh,
I will not be retiring the overalls. And it's not because it's a fashion statement.
It was never a fashion statement. It's just functional and very comfortable.
Like super fascinating stuff.
And then how tired was Serena of eating avocado toast?
You know what?
This is why viewers should not ask questions.
Like here's the questions I want to hear.
Who has sex tapes?
Where can we find them all? Yeah, these were, these are not the ones. Like, you know, what's the questions I want to hear. Who has sex tapes? Where can we find them all?
Yeah, these are not the ones.
Who's good at Scrabble?
Like, you know, what's your favorite ice cream?
Can we ask something real?
Yeah.
And so that's sort of like, then Ariana starts to do this kind of like wrap up where she's
like, well, I think one of the most special things about this show and this season is
that there's so many amazing friendships between the guys, the girls.
And as someone who came into prominence
in a super toxic friendship group,
I'm just really jealous of you guys.
What's it like having friends that aren't trying
to undermine you every single moment?
Give them time, that's what I say.
They don't do it as much because they're only on one season.
Give them 10.
Yeah, seriously. So Janay is like, the most important thing is to always be a
good girl. Unless you're Nicola.
What's that girl's name?
So Andrea. Stupid bitch.
Oh, it's okay. You can call me Nicole. Anything to get back with you guys. And
Aran, I was like, I love that. I wasn't listening, but I love that. So for
the last time, before we wrap up, Kendall, can we hear it? He's like, Sure. Yeah. Fuck. Yeah. Oh,
yeah. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Kendall, your other tagline. I'm coming. Goddamn. Okay, let's just wrap
it up. We'll see you next year. Oh also love Island games has been picked up
So that's that's something that's something else
that's happened
Inexplicably and then Kendall does we're getting nasty which I guess is his taglines and how I missed that I'm okay with having missed it
You missed it. Even I got that one. I did not I did did not. I did not stay. I'm sorry that I blocked out some Kendall isms.
It's just, you know,
there's a lot of Kendall that's just worth blocking out.
You know, but thank you.
He's laughing his way all the way to the
I'll tell you that.
Yeah.
Something.
I love that we both went for private things.
Private.
All right, everybody.
That was super fun.
We're ending this at 420 PM, everybody.
So go smoke a J, smoke a giant blunt.
And thank you so much for being here.
This was really fun.
Wow.
My first experience with Love Island ended.
Congratulations.
Started dramatically.
But then once I took out an avocado masher or potato masher, whatever you chose, and
I just did that, I stuck it in my ear and just mashed my brain up a little bit more.
I was really able to enjoy this show quite a bit.
Yes, and congratulations Ronnie
on your Triscuits endorsement.
I always knew you could get there, so.
Thank you so much.
You know, I've always really wanted to properly shout out
an extremely dry wicker snack.
It's like someone said, I want rattan, but I want to be able to eat it too. I really do.
And I want it to be made, I want it to look like rattan but actually be made out of a straw,
screen door. I want to know what it feels like to bite into a basket.
You know, what if somebody ate a scarecrow?
Well on that note, everyone thanks so much for being here and we will catch you on the
next episode.
Bye!
Bye!
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