Watch What Crappens - #2561: Two T’s, a B and an R!

Episode Date: September 18, 2024

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Wondry Plus subscribers can listen to Watch Your Crappins ad free right now. Join Wondry Plus in the Wondry app or on Apple Podcasts. Watch for Crappins! Watch for Crappins! Guess what happens when there's so much that crappins! Hello and welcome to Watch for Crappins! A podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker, joining me today is the wonderful and hilarious Ronnie Karam. Hey Ronnie, how's it going? Hi! What's going on with you, baby? Jason Bounds Not much. This is part two of our big crossover episode with two T's in a pod. The first half was on their

feed. So go of course check that out with the podcast with Tamara Judge and Teddy Mellencamp. And now here comes part two. If you're just, this is your first time listening to us because you only found us through Tamara and Teddy. Well, first of all, welcome. Hi, welcome to our show. We cover lots of Bravo stuff. We cover other stuff outside of Bravo. So we cover really every Bravo show. We're also covering secret lives and Mormon wives. We just wrapped

chimp crazy. We've even done Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon. We have love Island coverage on our Patreon. And in fact, Patreon is where you can find our video versions of all our episodes. So go to patreon.com slash watch for preppins to listen to that. We also have weekly bonus episodes there too, which are really fun. This week we're going to be doing a trailer breakdown. We like to call it a trailer trash. The Real Housewives of Potomac trailer that launched

last week. So there's a lot to check out. So welcome new people and welcome people who've been here all along. Enjoy the show. So here we are with Tamara and Teddy continuing from the two T's in a pod podcast. Thank you guys so much for coming on. Thanks so much for having us on your show. Yes. And thanks for having us on your show. I know. We appreciate it. It's a crossover we never really thought would happen. We're like, we talk so much shit all the time. We just never thought that this would happen.

Do you not think we're not used to it? I know. Well, you know, the thing was this. What was so funny was I was like a little like, oh my goodness, like this might be awkward. And then I was like, you know what? There's absolutely nothing that we've said that could be anything worse than their castmates

have ever said to them, you know? Or that the we've said about our castmates. Right. About us. I just had to remember that. I was like, okay, you're safe, you're safe. It's the nature of the show, right? We respect you and what you do and you do a great job

and yeah, you trash us, but hey. You know what I'm just talking about. Well, just listen, you know, that's our request. So we went on your show and I have to say, your show is so professional and you guys have like segments and ideas. We don't do that. We just like kind of sit here and shoot the show.

We don't have much, but we can put you on trial. You want to do that? Yeah, sure. Orange County trial. Who wants to go first? Yeah. Sure. Orange County trial. Who wants to go first? Who's the first case on the docket? Let's do Tamara because we weren't, we were saving our Orange County questions,

et cetera, for our show. So what were the, we have pressing Orange County questions. Now what were they? I don't remember. You don't have a rundown like on Twats? Okay. So we talked about the radio Andy thing on your show, so we don't need to re-litigate

that. So what was going, what's going through your head at the beginning of this season with this whole Alexis thing? Because from an audience standpoint, this is completely backfired on you. And it looks like from just our point of view, watching you outside of the show, they are kind of trying to tap dance to fix whatever is going on on the show. Did you think that this was going to be a big win?

Like, what was your thinking coming into the season with Alexis? I didn't think it was going to be a win. I'm just literally filming my real life. And Alexis and I made up at BravoCon. We had a very deep conversation, a meaningful conversation about the lawsuit that was in with her ex, about her mother passing away, about what happened between her and her fiance.

And we just started, we kept in touch. And I've known Alexis for 16 years or something like that. Hasn't always been good, no. But so we just kind of move forward with that and a new relationship relationship a new friendship And I had no idea she was being cast for the show She did not tell me or that I was with John or that well No, that didn't happen right away that happened like months later like a month later that they've met

So I just kept this, you know relate friendship going with her and then she told me hey They reached out to me about being on the show. I don't know if I want to go on it. Honestly, with everything with this is after she admitted that she was dating John, because I was sticking up for her. I'm like, dating John, they ran into each other, a quiet woman. They took a picture together. They were two separate friend groups, who cares? And I kept- So she wasn brought back on the show because she was dating John? No, no. And that is a lie, a bold face lie. So they were talking to her way back at BravoCon days. So then she started dating John, and well, friends first according to her. And then I was defending her on the podcast when I got a text message that said, Hey, can you call me? And I go, sure. So she called, I called and she said,

listen, it's crossed over. I'm now dating John and my jaw dropped. Holy shit. Are you serious? And not, and not to step in, but Andy did confirm, just to show that Tam is not a liar here. Andy confirmed that they asked her prior to finding out about John. So... Andy's the best witness, because Andy will lie his ass off too. He'll be like, yes, what is the best season of Dubai? He does do that. He does do that. Season one of Dubai. It's like, what are you talking about? Like the COVID season of OCs, like, wait until you have a question. When, when Alexis told you that she was dating John, were you in good

standing with Shannon at that point? Or you guys had you guys already had your falling out? I think we've already had a falling out because in November, I had text Shannon when it went public and her and I were not on good standing, not because of me, but because of her. And I wrote her a text message saying, I just heard the news. I am so sorry. This cannot be easy for you. It was during the holiday season. It was like right before Thanksgiving. And I said, I really hope that you and the girls are able to enjoy the holiday season, you was like right before Thanksgiving. And I said, I really hope that you and the girls are able to enjoy the holiday season, you know, whatever. And she said, thank you very much, back to me.

Now, what happened between me and Shannon has nothing to do with my friendship with Alexis at all. And when I got back, like I wasn't the one rallying to get Alexis back on the show, it was Heather DeBrow. But it was Heather DeBrow that wanted her back on the show. It was Heather DeBrow. But it was Heather DeBrow that wanted her back on the show. So when she came back on, you know, I was talking to her like every other cast member was talking to her, but they literally put us together as a team, which at the end of the day makes me look like I turned my back on Shannon to just be friends with Alexis, which is 100% false.

It looks like you were fighting with Shannon. So you helped get Alexis back on. That's what it looks like. And Alexis dated John to screw up, you know, to get a storyline for this. So all that's just a coincidence that Alexis and John is hanging out in the quiet room. And how do you feel about like Alexis?

It's, you know, people are really not happy with Alexis because it just seems like Shannon is like in a real point, a victim. And Alexis is like ruthless though. So do you feel- Wait, explain to me how she's a victim. Because you're showing up everywhere, yelling at her, she's an alcoholic, this and that.

Like, look, first, if she is an alcoholic, if she is an alcoholic, you can't yell at your alcoholic friend that she is an alcoholic, if she is an alcoholic, you can't yell at your alcoholic friend that she's an alcoholic in public. That's how you're supposed to deal with a real alcoholic. This is not a typical situation. We're on a reality show. So what you don't know, for two months after her DUI, I was in Scotland for three weeks

or something like that. I found out the day that I was leaving for Scotland that she got arrested. I was on the phone with her the day before after she got out of jail and didn't even tell me that she went to jail the night before. So it hit the news. I was on the podcast. She said, can you please call me? And I'm like, yes. So I called her and I said, oh my God, Shannon, I feel horrible. I am leaving to go to Scotland today. I'm going to be gone. I won't have my phone.

Me and her went back and forth. I was crying on the phone with her. I'm so sorry, but I said, listen, this is a wake up call. You have a drinking problem. Nobody got hurt. It's a wake up call. You need to get help. And it was something that I've been wanting to say for years. Well, I think if that was probably, if that was the conversation on the show, that probably would have gone over a lot better. Well, but the thing is, I talked about it on the show. They didn't show it. They did not show it.

They're not helping me out any by any means. I had this conversation with the other girls. Editors of Orange County are helping out a housewife. That is crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but the thing is, if I did something wrong, I'm actually, I wouldn't even call it tough love. I have to protect myself at this point. Nobody knows, and I'm not going to expose what I have gone through in the past 10 years with this woman. And I really thought, I really thought this was the time that she was going to get help. But she continued

to drink and go in on podcasts and saying, I'm not drinking going to what Bravo con me by her side saying these two girls, Vicky and Tamara, the ones that have been there for me, I have not had a drink. All the while she was calling me drunk at night. So I guess my question is this though. So like her drinking, like, yes, there's definitely great areas going on with her drinking, you know, there you could say like, well, maybe it's like up for her to realize when she has to like, you know, figure out when she has to go to rehab, yada, yada. But in terms of Alexis, though, like, those two don't have one, those don't don't go together. Right. And that's where I'm getting the shit edits, because those two do not go together. My issues with Shannon and my 10 years

with Shannon in dealing with her, her drinking is a totally different avenue than my friendship with Alexis. I'm not here to advocate for John Jansen. That's not my job. I don't even know him that well. Alexis is going, or is being perceived on the show as going so hard on Shannon. And Shannon is clearly like,

whether she admits or not she is like in a bad place and it just seems like she's been in a bad place for ten years I know but it seems like Alexis should be like do you take responsibility and change your own life well but that's she came out with that salmon company that she stuffed with cream cheese that time yeah she had those lemon shots but doesn't feel like this is winning right now? She got the guy. She's in a happy place. That's not winning. Look what she's doing.

She's winning. Listen, it's not my prize, but, you know, I'm just saying, like, why? It just feels like Alexis should just move on from Shannon because Shannon is. Well, he wore the Ferragamos when when he proposed. That was hilarious. I just saw that. Evidently, she didn't buy those. She didn't buy those. No, he has multiple pairs of those Ferragamo's even worse. Ferragamo tennis shoes, not shoes, which she I was. Oh, God. I love that. You know, that got cut out. I think that this week you'll see us.

You'll see a switch in an Alexis. And, you know, I hate to blame things on editing, but she talked to me a lot about her mother passing. I had a lot of conversations with her that's seen at her house. Her eyes were all puffy. We had an hour conversation about her mom passing and what happened. And they didn't show any of it. All they showed was the two sentences we said about John with her puffy eyes or about Shannon or whatever it was. So there's a lot of stuff that's not being seen about her and she's gonna be on Watch What Happens Live this week. And she's like, I don't even know if I should go.

I'm so hated. I should just walk away. It's very- That's a rite of ritual to be hated this much, right? Not this much. This is overboard. This is overboard. Yeah. I I've never seen hate like this before ever. I have. Uh, I don't know. Teddy tough one.

Let's be honest. The way that they brought her back after 10 years, there was no like nice music or her like, you know, there's no entrance. It was her walking out of her car while Heather was saying, I don't want my son to date a hoe. And then Alexis walks out of the car as a hoe. Then Alexis walks into the Balboa Bay club for the first event. And the next thing is, Gina snags my pantyhose, which I don't even wear pantyhose usually. And she goes, you want me to get you some hoes? You ho. And again, they have her walking in. I'm like, somebody there is walking with her. She also walked in and said, there's the door, Shannon Madure. So she came in hot. She came

in hot. She came in hot. She came in hot. Let's be honest. Let's be honest. She planned out that line. I am sorry. I can't cry for Alexis today. I'm sorry. But let's be honest. She planned out that line. I am sorry. I can't cry for Alexis today. I'm sorry. But let's be honest. I'll buy lots of bridges, but not that one. Do you really, really, really think that Shana Bedor was worried about the money she lost

in a lawsuit from Alexis's ex-husband? I have children. I have a dog. I lost $500,000. Do you see me? No, I'm just moving forward making more money. She like, do you really think that's why she's mad at Alexis? I think it could be all of the above to be honest. I mean, I mean, she's mad about John is what you're saying. Yeah, of course. But she chose to make it about the money. She doesn't want to fly over some man at some event.

She knows what they're trying to do. Okay, so you're not being honest. With all the editing, well, I mean, who's always completely... You have to shade your story when you tell it. We all color a story when we tell it, and she knows how they're trying to color it with her. They're trying to bring this girl on who has her man, and they're trying to pit each other against each other,

and she's like, this is trash. I'm going to show up and I'm going to do the classy thing and not fight over some fucking dirt bag and make it about the other ways this lady fucked me over. Like, would you say something about a trampoline park? I mean, Jesus Christ, you know, that was way overkill. And so I don't blame her for not wanting to fight about John Jansen. I thought she actually handled that classy. And that's why Alexis is really getting it slaughtered because Shannon's kind of outplaying her on this. I mean, Shannon walks around all neurotic. Shannon's in practice.

She's in practice. Shannon's smart and extremely calculated and her superpower is playing victim. She's been doing it for 10 years. Well, in this case, she's literally, she's winning. She's playing victim. So, John, I think she's definitely a victim to John. I mean, like that's the whole thing. Like John's John's going to get that money back.

That seems wild. Unless there's more to the story. There was a promissory note. What if you heard there was a conversations going back and forth that it was alone? Would you change your mind then? If there was a loan. I guess if there was like paperwork and she said,

then she would have to pay that. Okay, well, let me just riddle you this. Riddle us. Stay tuned, stay tuned. I have to say though, by the way, if this is a great season. I would also counter with, what about all the money she did spend on him?

How much did she spend? Where are the receipts for that? Like, hopefully she's had someone go through the world of Fargo or whatever and get a list. Well now, but her story's changing. Before it was, I paid for everything for two years, then it's like, oh, I paid for a few things. So. So Tamara, does this mean like you and Shannon have had like a million falling outs and then

you get back together? Is this like the end? This like is there because like we are kind of, as we're sort of like, okay, they're in a fight, but probably next year, Trace and me goes, we'll be back. Or is it, do you feel like this is like a true, like it's, is there coming back from this? I, you know, who knows, but right now I don't have any intentions of being friends with her. I just, you guys don't even know how toxic it was. And everything that I would do is a one-sided friendship constant. My kids, my husband would be like, please babe, don't pick up the phone again. Don't pick up the phone. She would call nonstop. Here I am trying to help her, even border lighting enabling her. And then I find out that she's calling somebody I know and saying horrible fucking things about me. Horrible

when all I'm doing is trying to help her. And so at what point you go, doing this anymore. I am not doing this. I am here to help you. And you're going to talk behind my back, not show shit. This is off show, no cameras, talking to somebody very close to me and saying nasty, nasty stuff. But that's, that's what she does. She gets drunk. She calls people and says horrible things. So I prefer to just get drunk and cause problems in my own life and my own home and not call other people and tell them about it. Teddy, what's your feeling on this? Like as you being that you are the work wife of Tamara, when Tamara, like when, when the trace amigas come back together, are you just kind of like, oh God, here we go again?

Like, or are you just like, listen, I'm happy that they have squashed their belief. Whatever way that Tamra can succeed is a win for me. Like I love Tamra, I care about her. I mean, I know what I went through with that one. Right, but I mean, I wouldn't be allowed to attend anyhow, even if they do come together, because I've already been banned. But like, I truly want what's best for Tamara. Do I think that those three have like a toxic pattern together? Of course. Do I know Tamara's heart

at this point? Like, I don't think that Tamarara's a liar. I think that Tamra's delivery sometimes can be curt. But at the end of the day, if I- It's nothing for nothing. Sorry. I know I could call Tamra for anything and she would be there and she would be my friend and she wouldn't judge me. So I just think it honestly looks like people that are just tired of each other and tired of each other. I was tired of the cycle. Okay, let's move on to Teddy.

We can stay on Tam. So Teddy, I guess my main thing for you was what is your status all this time later? I mean, your life has obviously changed a lot since you do this, you guys have a huge show. Do you think it's helped your like villainy status or has it hurt or how do you feel about that? Because I noticed that you make a lot of self-deprecating comments, which I really like, you know,

I like that kind of humor. Well, I appreciate that you realize that it's happening because most people are like, oh, don't say that about yourself. And that's what I didn't like about Beverly Hills. I would say that shit and then people would be like, oh, Teddy. And I was like, I'm, I'm, I'm being self deprecating. I'm not, I don't actually feel that poorly about myself.

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Oh my gosh. The juicy. I would say my only regret would be saying I've never told a lie. I learned now that I've watched all of these seasons of Housewives and I feel like you can never speak in absolutes. Yeah. So I regret that statement. I wish I would have been like, I'm not lying at this moment. I've never told a lie. It's like when people say like, I swear on my kid's life. I'm like, you're lying. You're always lying. They're always lying.

Kids are off limits, guys. And then I've never told a lie. So that was a regret. Also, you know, in hindsight, I really went out on a limb to protect Dorit because of the- That was the thing. The Fox force. You know, like I really went there for her where now later in our friendship, I realized she probably would never go there for me. So why did I do that? Well, speaking of the Fox force, et cetera, you know, a lot of audience members don't

like the Fox force because there's the, the sense is that everyone is covering for each other and people are just sort of like, you know, they, they like to, like Ronnie said earlier, throw a lot of stones. But then like when the heat is on them, it's like, what us who, what did you, do you feel like that's an accurate assessment of that group or, and is that something or not? And did you feel like when you were, do you have a different opinion of that group from when you were on the show versus after the show, or has it remained consistent? Well, I think what made things a little bit tricky, and I get that Rinna is an actress as well,

but we had been doing the show, you know, for a couple of years together, where we all were just kind of, at this point, Rinna wasn't actively acting and whatever, and then all of a sudden, we bring in Garcelle, we bring in Denise, and like, they're asking where craft services are, and when we take breaks, and all of these types of things.

You know, it's like. I'm gonna start doing that. You know, like. Me too. Hold on, where's our craft services? Like, oh, do we have, no, I'm like, you pack your fucking snacks in your purse, and you go for it.

Like, there's no breaks here. What the hell, all we do is go to lunch on these shows. But they're like, no, we don't want to chew on camera because I'm like, listen, actresses reel it in. Like this is the way we go. And so I think that's old when you've been on the show and you put in the hard work and then somebody comes in and they feel like they're, they're trying to puff their chest at you. You're like, we don't really care. We're all here to get our job done and have fun or cause shit or whatever it is that we are.

So I think that's where you see us kind of connecting in a way that didn't fully translate. Plus we were the only ones in Provence. There was the fires, Camille couldn't come, Vanderpump wouldn't show up. Denise wasn't, you know, like all, there was so many. That was a rough one, that Provence trip. Oh my God. That Provence trip. I mean, that was my best episode though. If I would have known getting drunk would have made my best episode. I would have gotten hammered every single time. Yeah. Well, what did you, I mean, I guess the allegations from that season against you would be first in the reunion,

you kind of had to admit that Vanderpump never told you to do any of that, that you were kind of talking to John, and you just assumed that Vanderpump wanted you to do it. I actually never admitted that. I said I was on multiple conference calls with Vanderpump included. Oh, I thought you said in the reunion when he finally got you, and that was the whole I never lie thing, and they were like, well, did she or did she not ask you to do it? And you said, no, she didn't ask me to do it, I just assumed she would want me to. Beth Dombkowski No. If I did say a version of that,

it was via text message, but I said I was on a conference call with John Cessa, John, what was the other John's last name? Jon Lizzon. Beth Dombkowski Lizzon. Jon Lizzon. Beth Dombkowski Lizzon. Jon Lizzon. Beth Dombkowski Lizzon.

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Dr. Dr. John Cessa who granted let's point out Lisa Vanderpump has had falling outs with both of them since this time. Really? I didn't know that. Well, Little Lizard and Cessa. No, I actually did not know that. Well, um. Little Buzzer and Cessa?

No, I mean they went on for quite a long time, but yes. Well, I'm sure it wasn't her fault, because Lisa Vanderpump's perfect. Darling, it's British humor. Never, never did I ask Teddy and Kyle to come watch their dogs there, but not bring their dogs. I only care about the dogs in Chima. Yeah, I mean. So I guess the other half of that allegation would be that you kind of made that turn to be friends with the popular group or whatever and kind of like do the bidding for the Kyle, for Kyle basically and Kyle's friends.

What do you say about that? What was with the ultimate switch that season? Because you really did switch pretty quickly. It looked like when you went, when you did that thing at Vanderpump grooming or whatever, was it Vanderpump dogs that you guys showed up at? And she kept saying, no, no, I don't want to talk about the, the, the Dureet and the Lucy situation. And then you guys, Kyle was mostly, was kind of forcing her to talk about it. And then she said, but my brother just passed away. And then you guys, Kyle was mostly was kind of forcing her to talk about it. And then she said, but my brother just passed away and Kyle's like, we've all got stuff going on. And then that conversation kept going. I mean, it looked like Vanderpump was

trying to keep it off camera. And then when she flipped it, of course she was looking like she wanted off camera. And that's when I did the switch when I realized I've walked myself Into the lion's den and she is pretending right now that she doesn't want this on camera when I have spoken to her And I've been good acting coached by her nightly every single time I filmed the season before like I And I watched that and she wanted me to do it. That's when I was like, fuck you. I'm done doing it. And that's where I made the switch. And yeah, granted, did it end up screwing me in the long run? For sure. I should have handled

it differently. I have regrets. I should have at that moment been like, Hey, Lisa, you wanted me to come today to talk about Dorit's dog. Talk about it. I didn't have the balls to do it then. Now I would like, I just wasn't really in that place. But it wasn't necessarily switching to the popular group. It was more switching because I was sick of being coached by somebody and then feeling kind of yucky at the end of it. Was it something that you guys were all talking about? Like, Oh God, Lisa Vanderpump, she's always fricking calling us at night, trying to tell

it, trying to make it. She didn't call everybody. She'd only call the newbies. But did she call drunk? Well, no, but you could almost smell the Chardonnay and cigs. You could almost smell them. I mean, I don't know when she, when Erica said that she, she made some comment like, Oh my God, that woman smells like Chardonnay cigarettes. She said something like that. I just remember

thinking that sounds like a good time to me. I mean, that's like a candle, if that was a candle scent, it would be good friend scent, you know? Here's the thing, Lisa Vanderpump could be a very good time. And there were times that I really had fun with her. But there were times where I was like, I understand that I am the youngest, the most naive, what was it that Erica called me? You're not a fawn in the woods or whatever it may be. But like, but I just kind of got to the point where I was like, I'm over your shit. And I'm not going anywhere. Okay, well thank you for talking about that.

I know that that's really old news, but you know, how often do you get a chance to ask that? So I had to ask that. Let's move on to some other stuff. Since you guys have started doing this, you've actually talked shit about so many Housewives. So what is your biggest, what are your biggest problems? Define talking shit. Well, look, I'm sure you guys are the same as us.

We do a ton of Bravo talking, so I don't listen to a ton of shows. What you guys- So you've never listened? I've never listened to a whole one, but I watch clips of you guys all the time. You guys have great PR, like your team is really, really good.

So cred to your team, I see you right here on the Zoom. Really good at taking your clips or whatever you're talking about and really getting them out there. And they're in all the blogs. And I mean, you guys do a really good job of that. So I do see a lot of your show and listen to a lot of your show,

but it seems like you talk a lot of shit. Like you don't seem to really hold back too much. So what has been your biggest drama with other Bravo people? Oh, Jesus, Teresa. Really? So why? Teresa, because how do you watch Jersey and not comment on Louis?

Exactly. And she does not like that. She does not like that. And I love Teresa, but you know, we always say like, we're, we're watching the show as viewers. We have a little back history only because we've been housewives and you're only as good as this week's episode and if you're a total asshole in this week's episode, we're going to call you out. And you know, Louie does a lot. There's a lot going on with that watching him and there's a lot that can be said. And I do try to filter myself a little bit. I

don't want to go over to that mean side, but if you say anything about him, she just really takes it personal and really gets upset. We're in a good place right now, but it could be different. Yeah, she's like that. She was even like that with Joe, I mean, all the way up until she went to jail. She defends her men very, except for the brother, except for Joe Gorga, she'll defend her men

literally to the end. People she's having sex with. Just like four times a day or five times a day or whatever it is. Yeah, we need to all stop talking about banging five times a day. It's exhausting. I'm exhausted.

I'm so tired. Oh my God. It's so tiring and smelly and how many times do you have to go clean off your wiener? Just stop. Like who wants to take that many half showers? Mine's definitely Victoria. I have one.

Yeah. Victoria and I. That's pretty funny for us. What's been going on with that? Oh God, the Vicky stuff. Yeah, the Vicky stuff. Well, I guess that's just my biggest drama, but I mean, I never really had a problem with her.

She just had such a hard time seeing Tamara succeed with somebody other than her that it- Or succeed period. Yeah, or succeed period. And it just kind of grossed me out. Like no matter how much I dislike somebody, like, yeah, I don't lead Lisa Vanderpump's fan club, but like, I recap her show. I'm not, I don't want her Vanderpump's fan club, but like I recap her show. I'm not, I don't want her not to do well.

Like I ran into her after the MTV Awards and you had a long conversation with her. Oh, you did. Was it like, was that nice? It was a nice conversation. Or was it? Yeah. I mean, we, we're not going to be friends the same way we weren't friends when I was on the show.

Like we don't run in the same circles. Was she like, now tell Mary Hart what Doreen did with that dog. No, she was was like, Mary, I don't appreciate why you did. Then, you know, it was fine. And I was like, you know, I let you ride my pony in Santa Barbara. I had Pandora carry your groceries in one day. Teddy's going to run off with Cedric one day. Oh my god, Cedric.

Cedric actually lives here, you guys. Cedric, come over. He would, fucking Cedric. We've said this to me about three times, he will appear in your DMs and be like, do you want the truth? He won't, he actually isn't. I feel like he's gone.

He has really not reached out to us. I mean, I see Mohammed every single time I go to El Pistayo in Beverly Hills, but like I never see Cedric and he was probably can't afford it. Yeah, I feel like Cedric is back in France somewhere. I feel like he was, I feel like he's like kicked him out of the country somehow. Okay, so let's see. What should we ask? Ben, do you have anything? Yeah, I have a question. Like, well, you guys are, yes, you guys are podcasters, but you

are housewives as well. And so you guys on your show were asking us about, you know, favorites, etc. And I would like to turn the tables on you guys and find out who are your favorite housewives and who which housewives do you think are flops by housewives? I mean like cast members not franchises. Okay, like people on my cast that are flop any franchise however you choose to interpret it. In fact, you can choose your cast and you can also choose someone from the greater, you know, extended universe.

Oh, man. That's a tough one. You want to go first, Tam or me? No, go ahead. You just jump right into that. I would say, I mean, my favorites are anybody that's going to stir the pot. So like prime years, I loved Giselle on Potomac. Yes. I loved her so much. I felt like this year was not a good year for Potomac.

So it doesn't. Let's pretend it didn't happen. Like let's just, we're going to start fresh next year. For lifestyle, like Dr. Nicole, like I'm okay to live her life. Like I can. Wait, there's a new rumor about her. I know. I heard that she's not coming back.

Why would they get rid of her? I heard she's gone. No, I think it was her decision. Come on. It's never anybody's decision. She was in my dream last night, so I think that means this is true. This is what I heard. I heard that she started filming

and then, and I don't know if this is true, started filming and then two weeks in, dropped out. Wow. I was like, hell no, I'm rich, rich. I don't need, I'm not doing this. Look, she's like, I've got yacht money. I don't just have private jet money. Or maybe like money's running out or something, or maybe some scandal's about to hit. Doesn't always feel like there should be a scandal around Anthony.

It feels like Anthony, we've said from the start, there's got to be something fishy with Anthony. I mean, he's got the rumors about him or all those lawsuits, like filing lawsuit after lawsuit against people and all this. That's allegedly now, I don't know, I'm just reading that that's the worst housewife of all time. Be careful, you'll be next. The worst housewife, the bittiest housewife of all time. So, Charles Madea told me.

But yeah, supposedly, I mean, he just seems like he's shady, you know? So I can't wait to see if something comes from that. But I do like her. I hope she's not gone because I think she brings a lot to the show. I think Miami's great. Miami is so top tier. Yeah, you know, Miami, Salt Lake City, all the girls on Salt Lake City. I'm gonna miss Monica. I'm not gonna lie. But I need Monica to do a little less currently. You know, I think you're right on that. Are you mouthing to the sharing TikToks? Wait, what is she doing?

Like, loved her. We were the first to bring her on to Two Teas and a Pod. We gave her a place. Is she being extra? It's worse. It's worse than us, Tam. It's worse than us. What is she doing? I haven't seen anything. I'm gonna have to go home. We seem relaxed and like we don't care about fame or money.

You know, Monica is sort of like, I feel like that reunion was her chance to get herself onto another season. And she just has a path in front of her and she just wasn't able to do it. And I was like, wow, you really have messed this up. Like you just had to do the whole like, Oh my gosh. And then everyone would have been like, everyone deserves a second chance, but instead she was just really combative and that's not how you would. I can't imagine all the hate that she was getting. And I think that that plays a part in your brain when you go down, you know, you sit down at that reunion and you've been beat up so bad.

And I'm not defending her in any way, but I think that plays a lot into it as well. Do I wish, but also while I say this, that Monica's doing a lot right now, I do still wish she was on the show or that she was at least on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Yeah. Like I'm happy to see, I want to see that. I haven't watched that yet.

That's great. That's really good. And she does love doing the dancing TikToks, like you just pointed out. Like she does love doing the dancing TikToks. Like you just pointed out. Like she's ready. And she's like, she has pretty hair. Like she has all the things. Say no more. All the things. She's perfect. She's got such pretty hair. Pretty hair.

No, to be on Secret Life. I have nine strands of hair. They're like, you're not in. You have no freaking hair. Tamara, what were you going to say? My problem with Bravo right now is I love Ramona. I love Luanne. I love, you know, old Durenda. Why don't they have a fucking show? Yeah. I, you know, sorry, I keep hitting my mic. I apologize to the audience. But I, you know, you know, I've been way on the record. And then some saying how much I love the OG New York cast. Their chemistry is so special and like, it's so wonderful.

I would love to still see them on our TV in some way. I mean, Ramona really, that's a trouble spot. She really can't help. Like we were saying earlier, Bravo learning their lessons. They just let things go too far sometimes. They don't, they should have taken care of Ramona a long time ago. To have your first Black cast member come on that show at the historic time that she came on and just let Ramona run with what she was running with that whole season was-

Oh, that's true. You can't just forgive that. And a lot of it's like, well, you know, she's from a different time. You know, I've read all the things online. Like she's from a different time. It's a different way of looking at it. But just for the producers to be like, you know what's a great idea during this huge time of change with race relations in America

is to sick Ramona Singer on the first black cast. I mean, that was just the dumbest thing that they've ever done. It was dumb. What about Ramona's daughter being at BravoCon after all of the shit went down? Like she still had to hold down the fort. But they had a booth there. With her little booth, I was like.

It was the BravoCon shit that I think is actually the nail in the coffin. Cause like. Wait, didn't something come out right before BravoCon? Yes. I can't remember what it was. Oh, she texted. There was an article that came out that she had said the N word or something like that.

Or maybe she had something deeply insensitive. I forget. It was like a voice note. Something like that. And then she texted PageStick and said, whoa, I never said. And then she wrote. It just was, she didn't write it out. She said, I said the N word, but I didn't say the actual.

And then she wrote out the word. She wrote the first two letters. It was one of those things where it's like Ramona, stop it. But I have to say this, guys, of all the years on to tease in a pod, she's been my least favorite person we've ever interviewed. I've never heard a good story about your name. She thought you were. Well, she thought I was.

She kept calling me. She'd be like Tamra, like we were the same human. Like that's Tamra. She got Rick's Ringfield's daughter. Yeah, that's what's so hard with Ramona. It's like moments like that are so funny and like she's so compelling to watch because she says things like, how is this person living in, in like, in a world? Like, how does she go out out of her door? And she interacts with people this way. That's just so

awful. So it's like this push and pull before between like, oh, we really shouldn't give her a platform. But then at the same time, it's like, oh, but like, I don't want to watch the screen rack. Good TV. Can I ask you guys a little bit of your thoughts on like the reality reckoning with Bethany? Because just ask that. We are becoming the same person, Teddy. Just asking that. We went through it with that one. Yes.

Like she is, I mean, between watching her spin, I mean, I also want to know, am I sick that I sat there and watched her spin like eight minutes trying to get a toaster strudel out of the toaster oven and then judged her for it afterwards. Like what is wrong with me? But she's on to chicken salads now. Yeah. Chicken salad is sick. I can't stop eating it. But it's amazing. Like seriously, everybody out there needs to try this chicken salad. And then the next day I'm at the store that got the chicken salad. Nobody knows my name. Like you serious?

But guess what? There's a huge line around the corner. They better start fucking paying me and then Chanel. No one said hi. No one said hi to me. Pretty soon it's going to be like, I'm getting kicked out of the chicken salad place. She has lost her mind. Honestly, she's become everything that she used to make fun of. I think the reality reckoning, I don't know.

Like it seems like it's died down. I think you're about it. Hell dirty or Rachel. Well, first off, it's not done yet. I mean, news came out this week that Leah's lawyers got permission to get evidence from Andy. Like they get to do, I forgot what it was. We had it last night for crappy hour,

but there was some movement from Leah's lawyers. Cause of course Leah's part of it. Like, give me a break. Leah enough. I know. Enough. Enough! Oh, yeah. Yeah.

So some stuff is, and Brandi's still trying to go with her stuff. So I think it's just Leah and Brandi, but I think that Bethany is kind of backed off of it. I mean, she's already sick to the Raquel thing. She's already sick to Raquel on, and that's still going constantly, which is like... Can you believe, the other day I saw

this Katie said from Vanderpump rules that she didn't like my blouse. I have a guest on to talk about that. And then they like sit there and talk about Raquel's feelings on Katie's Instagram. I mean, good Lord. I think Bethany is like her greatest skill is that she sees opportunities and she recognizes them right away and she goes after them and she exploits them and she finds success with it which is like she moves on money on the toaster strudel or the chicken salad. That's what I want to understand because like skinny toast. I think that like she just was in this case she was she saw that there was a crack that

she could say hey wait, wait a second, reality reckoning. This could be a thing. I'm mad at Bravo. They didn't pick up my pitch or whatever. And she just went for it. And honestly, I think she just didn't get traction. I think when her the bombshell is like, Bravo is making people drink, I think as the audience were like, yes, that's what we're tuning in for. Like we, we, we co-sign this. Find a group of girls that go out for happy hour and don't drink. Yeah, it just felt,

and then the big Vanity Fair article that came out, and it was a punch-out. With Leah only? Thank you. It was only New York cast members. And it was again, just like, oh, they drink. I don't know, it felt so, I don't know. It felt like a grudge more than a real issue. I mean, again, you guys have been on the inside,

so you guys have a greater context, but for us as viewers, I think we were just like not really. Nobody ever made me drink or do shit that I, nobody from production or Bravo or anything made me drink or do anything that I wanted to do. What about you Savannah Pump? Drink, Teddy. They try to stop me from drinking.

Listen, the year I was pregnant, I never was more sad than not being able to drink when I was doing the show. I was like, fucking asshole, stop drinking. There's so many sobriety storylines on Bravo right now. So that also works against that. It's kind of a new up and coming thing. Everybody's stopped drinking.

Well, no, I think during COVID, everybody's drinking amped up. And then they had to stop because everybody had a problem after COVID. Like we had to go back out in the world and everybody had to stop drinking. Also, a lot of people are on Hozempic now and you can't really drink the same. I'm one of those. So maybe that's something to feel like that.

What happens if you drink on Hozempic? Does it make you sick? Your body just processes everything really slowly. It doesn't process calories the same way. So you don't really feel it the same. And then hours later, you'll just be exhausted. Can you get drunk? I can get drunk, but it takes a lot more and it just doesn't feel as good.

It feels ickier. You get really full, really fat. It's just not good. Is there a drink of choice? And you don't crave it the same way. Can you do like a THC drink? You know what? I got, I was high.

Vena CBD. I was high and drunk for so long that I didn't really, I wasn't an alcoholic or a drug addict technically, but I just and drunk for so long that I didn't really, I wasn't an alcoholic or a drug addict technically, but I just partook for so long that when I stopped, I was like, oh, wow, this is interesting. Like going out and having conversations and remembering them. So to me, that's kind of like my new, my new crazy, I'm going to go out and listen to people. It's crazy. You're going to ask questions and listen to their responses.

So weird. That's a weird concept. No, thank you. I'm not really into drinking. I feel like we never quite got around to the flop part of the earlier question. You guys said who you guys really like, but do you guys have any people you feel like have been kind of flops on the Real Housewives? Oh, God.

I mean, we've had quite a few on Orange County. I know. We've had quite a few. Yeah. But you know what we did a flop after flop after flop after flop. Oh, let's hire one back that was a flop the first time, Lydia. Like it was just. I feel like Lydia had potential. I just feel like it just didn't quite work out.

Like I really liked the way she. I mean, our current cast, she'd have potential. You know, in season eight or nine. Yeah. I liked that a lot. Would you rather have sex with John or Slade, guys? Slade. Slade, you know, in season eight or nine. Yeah, I like that a lot. Would you rather have sex with John or Slade guys? Slade. Slade.

Yeah, a hundred percent. I met Slade one time and he was like, oh man, when we created the housewives, I was like, okay, Slade. Yeah. He was very, You know, when I created the bachelor. Yeah, he was very like that.

But I think that is a housewives thing in general. I think a reality TV show thing, it grinds you down to the point where it turns you real. Like you finally become real doing it and unaware of everything and you just have to be yourself. Well, I think there's people that are made for reality TV and they just come in and they just say and do everything

and not give a shit. And then you have other girls that take them four or five seasons to get the hang of it. They finally get the hang of it and they find what I think that's a Beverly Hills thing because now that I Not that it happened a bunch but now that I filmed with Beverly Hills and Orange County I felt a completely different vibe between the two shows and you liked it better in the Way more fun to film OC than it ever was. I mean and I only did one time on OC. It was way more fun to film OC than it ever was. I mean, and I only did one time on OC. It was way

more fun to do. I feel like you fit in with Orange County a little bit better than Beverly Hills. I think we're a little scruffier over here. Are you calling me scruffy? Yes, I am. Maybe you can take Heather's place when she goes to live next door to Drake. She can come on Beverly Hills. I guess I'll do a swap. It'd be like Freaky Friday. I think that like, I think Tamara, you're right. Like, you know, or and Ronnie, like, you know, you get ground down and then you just are, you are on reality TV. But I've seen it also go the other way where actually some people, they become really famous and then they once they have like a fame or reputation and they want to protect it.

So then they just kind of then... Erica's here, guys. Erica's here. But you know, they don't all of a sudden they start talking about She just pulled in guys. We just got the tech. I think you go in either direction, you know? Yeah, I can. And I think what happens in that situation where you have somebody that comes off that's just authentic and they get beat down on social media and they start, you know, acting for the comment section on Instagram and then they change everything in who they are. Pete Yeah, social media really, really changed everything. I mean, it really changed everything. Anna Did. It did. And that's the worst thing you can do. Because people, they don't know,

they want you fired, they want you hired. They wanted me fired, I got fired, then they begged for me to come back. And now I'm back, they want me fired again, like. Pete Yeah. And by the time you've adjusted for the audience, it's a year later that the audience is actually seeing anything and their minds have already changed. So you can never keep up with what we're thinking, you know? And it's hilarious to be us. And also, we just have to realize that you can, that's the point of television. Like, whether it's a scripted show or a reality television show, there's people that you like from day to day and it depends on your mood and it should be a fucking escape. That's what it is.

Yeah. It's an escape from your actual life. Exactly. And that's why, you know, we always say like watching, watching you guys on TV, it is sort of like cartoons. It's like, you know, it's like a sport, you know, you just pick your favorites and it's like, and sometimes once you pick your favorite, even if they are just being really shitty and totally in the wrong, you just say, yeah, but I chose them and so I'm just gonna stay by their side. You know what? I like them. You know? Yeah. Yeah. But don't you feel like sometimes the teams change? The teams do change. Yeah. The teams always change, you know? Well, audiences are fickle. So we're sports people,

you know? Like we'll change the color of our foam finger, but we're always wearing one. Guys, thank you so much for doing this. This was fun to talk to you. We're gonna end this with a song I wrote a long time ago for Tamara called, Hey, Bitch. And we'll play out with that. Thanks you guys. Thank you. Thank you for being here. We had so much fun.

Thank you for having us. So it was fun. Go check out Tooties in a Pod, check out Teddy and Tamara on their own channels and we'll see you guys next time. Bye. Bye. Bye. Walk into the club, everybody say my name.

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