Watch What Crappens - #2588 SLOMW 0107: Zac Attack!

Episode Date: October 14, 2024

This week on The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, Zac abducts Jen and threatens to leave her penniless on the street - all for the sin of being in proximity to some pecs and abs.  Meanwhile, Dakota mopes around in his codependency sweatpants.  Check us out on Patreon at patreon.com/watchwhatcrappensSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I'm Ronnie. That's Ben. Hi, Ben. Hi, Ronnie. How are you? Good. Welcome, everybody. It is episode seven of Secret Lives of Mormon-Wise.

We love doing this show. I'm glad you're here. They got a season two, Ben. What do you think of that? I just saw that. Well, I'm excited. This show is breaking records for Hulu, I believe. And so, understandably, they're gonna do this.

This is one of those shows that's having crossover appeal where my friends who don't normally watch reality TV are like, I'm actually watching that show right now. So it's huge. Talked about it all week. Yeah, good one. Well, thank Joseph Smith. It's back.

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and Jen is on the phone getting chewed out by Zach. And she's like I didn't even know I didn't know the wing higher can you just think of me as a person can you just think about me this is a damn shame this is hard to watch Zach we don't even have to hear Zach yeah much like is Zach standing against a white wall you wouldn't even see him. You know, you're just fucking annoyed and you know something's dirty there, you know? Yeah, exactly. And Macy's telling us that, you know,

like how Dakota and Zach are so mad that their wives' girlfriends are, you know, going to Chippendales and they're not even going to Chippendales and they're just like in the same building and how ridiculous this all is. And we see a flashback to earlier in the evening where Taylor was texting Dakota and asking if you know, and like finding out that Dakota was like mad about it. And Taylor says, I was like, it's Chippendales and he goes, dumb. And I was like, it's just a performance. And that was the flashback.

Yeah, it's just art bra. So Iacy's shocked that they're mad, which is hilarious because of course she's not shocked. No one's shocked that these two troglodytes are mad. It's too controlling. Little do nothings are mad. And of course, look at look at who it is. Who's the maddest? The guy's doing nothing. The guy living off of somebody, his parents, which we find out later why, and his girlfriend or his wife, and the other one just living off Taylor, presumably.

Does he have a job that the pupils? I don't think so. I don't think so. Yeah. I don't think he does. By the way, I really resent that you say that Zach is doing nothing. He is doing something.

He is currently sitting at a blackjack table, clutching the sides of it, white-knling it, feeling hit me, hit me. So I don't even think it's as intelligent as blackjack, because people with more of a brain can play blackjack because there's a system almost to that, you know, where you don't lose as hard. But I'm sure he's sitting at the fucking no limit hold them table. Pretty sure. So with the apply.

So Macy's shocked that they're mad and then Mae Jen's talking to Taylor and she's like, he doesn't even want to be married to me if I do stuff like this. I would consider that a favor if that happened. I'm actually hoping that he leaves your ass at this point, because I know you're not going to do it. And this guy needs to be done with. She's like, I just hate when he starts questioning

my character, like I'm a good person, I've done nothing wrong, I wear puffy shoulder pads, okay? Why? And so she's telling us that he's just like beside himself and that I should have known, I should have known that this is what was going to happen and she goes the difference between the saints and the sinners is that for someone like me I think most of my friends know where my boundaries are with my husband which is

there are none he tells me what to do and I have to do it but me being part of this group of girls has already been a lot for him he's the real victim here he's had to see me actually do something independently and have fun and experience certain things that he didn't allow me to experience. And that's a lot for him, guys. we're just gonna do that. And to me, it's like, Oh, really? Dakota's piss too. What the hell? I'm like shocked because this is like extreme. This is extreme level you guys. Yeah. And Taylor is like, Yeah, I think that like, Dakota being with Zach, like, they're just kind of like the same. They're like protective. And I think that like, they were just like,

looking up things and like showing each other. And like, they were like, what we were seeing and doing and make up a story in their head. And what I like is that I like that Taylor sort of in the same boat as Jen here, Taylor is just kind of like, fuck Dakota. Yeah, I love about it is that these guys are like such religious, religious freaks and like freaking out and being controlling and not wanting any sexuality in their wives lives

are the ones googling gay shit over there. They've got good. They've now got Chippendales and dancers and videos and shit in their search history. So hope you don't die right now and end up in the outer darkness because Joseph Smith happened to check your phone before he was admitting people into your planet. So then Demi was like, here we have a perfect example of misogyny that goes on within the Mormon church. And I don't know if that's going to be solved by them not going to Trippendales. No, it is going to be solved. Don't they? Don't you realize patriarchy will be taken down if you don't go to

Trippendales? Yeah. So then the rest of the girls go to the show and they're doing that thing where they're just trying to have fun more than they're actually having fun. They just woo the whole time for no reason really. And meanwhile, Taylor Jen and Michaela are all miserable on the bus back to their Airbnb and Jen's like, I just don't want to disappoint him, you know? And she says that she was giving him a chance to be more chill, which didn't really work out in her favor. Yeah. And she's talking about how like Zach is making her feel like she did something like he like he's making her feel like she cheated on him,

even though she did nothing. But he knows her heart and intentions. And so she's really upset that he doesn't believe her. And she's like, I would never do anything to jeopardize our marriage. And it makes me sad that he doesn't feel that way. I'm like, well, then why are you going home? This is on him. Why are you ruining your night for his stupidity? Yeah, she says a couple of things in this episode that sounds like, and I'm not going to take it anymore, which, but you're saying it on the ride home, you know, like you're

taking it. Yeah. And she says a lot of times in this episode, no one has ever loved me the way Zach has loved me. I'm like, I'm not sure that he loves you. I think that he likes controlling you. I think he's like, I think he's fucked up with a lot of different situations, a lot of things going on in his life and you shouldn't love someone just because they say that they love you. You should love someone because you love someone. Right, he's obsessed.

He's like loves controlling you, yeah. Yeah, he loves the concept of you. So then Jesse's like, oh my God, I can't believe the other girls are missing out. We are having the time of our lives. We're letting loose, we're having fun. We're saying woo a lot. I mean, what more do you want?

This is what Vegas is all about. Which is why it's kind of crazy to be taking like a bunch of feeking Mormons there. Like, look, I get the whole rebelling against the Mormon church because you don't want it to have so much patriarchy, but it's the religion. Get out of the religion. Don't try to change the church. Leave the religion. Like, what are you going to do? Rewrite all the books. I just don't get that about it because it happens within the religion I was raised in all the time where they're like, well, there's a new brand of it really because you all worship the same fucking book. So was it the same book that God was like slaughtering entire villages because they didn't obey something he said, then I have

no interest. Okay. No interest in that book. I'm not going to try to change it where God slaughters a village, but the village gets to go see some chap Chippendales ass first. Okay, it's bad book. So then Taylor and Jen are back at the Airbnb. And Jen's like, I just want to be with my kids. Screw this trip. Screw everyone. Through this trip, you were you could have just had the opportunity to like look at some fine ass men and you went home to complain about want to be with your kids. You're already in trouble.

Enjoy the view. Well, at least Taylor is doing it right. Taylor came home because she knew there were donuts there and then there was no no one else to share with. So she's like, Well, I guess I haven't had my chocolate donuts today. So I guess I'm going to screw myself over with more baby weight. So she's telling us like, you know, of course it's going to suck for us because we have controlling men, but fuck mine, you know? Yeah. And, um, like you can shut up now. Jen's like, yeah, the text message, Jack's Zach sent me said,

I'm done, Jen. I'm not interested in talking. I can't do this anymore with you. Oh, really? Let's watch him try to pay for school and his children with all that money he's not making. How about trying to pay for a foot long at Subway with the money he's gambled away? So Jen's like, you know, Zach,

he's typically the type of person who likes to talk things out. And by talk things out, I mean, just yell at me for everything I've done wrong for him to respond this way It scares me also his teeth and his hair those scare me too and his crazy eyes very scary You know what? He's actually a very scary person. I Mean just standing there scares me. I mean really I just want to see him upside down every time I see him because it means That means he's probably sleeping

I just want to see him upside down every time I see him. Cause it means that means he's probably sleeping. So then we go to Zach gambling at the casino and Dakota's calling a break. He's so disgusting acting this way when he's got her money on the table. What an absolute piece of this guy is. He is admonishing his wife for having honestly a perfectly benign time.

Like she's not interacting with the strippers at all. He's making her feel shitty. Like she's a sinner while he's actively sitting there at a at a like gambling in the casino, which as we've learned on Real House House of Salt Lake City, we had confirmation from Lisa Barlow, who is our North Star for Mormonism. And she's like, yeah, the church looks down on gambling, but only if you're addicted to it.

Cause if you're not addicted to it, you can gamble. It's like Mormonism 2.0, but I think he's addicted. So I think he's a sinner right now. So then Dakota calls Brett, is this Demi's husband? Yes. So I guess he's the older one. Angie H's ex, yes. Yeah. So it's Angie's husband without burner accounts to torture women online. So okay. So Dakota calls and because he's

like the older the elder men or whatever. And so he calls and he's like, yo, Brett, dude, what's up, dog? Oh, God, just hang yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, all I can envision, dude, is like, oh, like one of these people, and I'm like, oh God, I go to worst case scenario, I'm like, oh my God, male strippers,

and then she's gonna leave me and like my child, and like the stripper's gonna like infect my child, and then it's gonna come out with a stripper's face on it, that's what works, you know, bro? I just go to the worst possible place, bro. You shouldn't worry about the dick in the ass, you should worry about your women seeing an example of a man who actually

has a job. Yeah, precisely losers. He just worried that his pregnancy photos aren't gonna look as good anymore. So then Dakota's like, I want it to work, you know, and I really wanted to work with she's making it so hard, you know, like, it's just like, I don't want to lose it, you know, I don't know if I could handle something like that. It's a fucking psycho. And by the way, he looks like he's totally using this whole trip. He looks fucked up the entire time. And Brett's like, don't keep telling yourself you can't do it, man,

because you can. What does that mean? Fucking kind of platitude is that? Tell him get his shit together and be a fucking man because he's acting like a crazy psycho stalker child and he's not going to keep a family together like that. What is that? I believe in you hang in there pretend I'm a little kitty holding on to a tele fucking electrical wire. Brett's like, Listen, I got to get back to Call of Duty. But hey, I'm here for you always man. Which is my way of saying bye. I'm here for you, but not at this very moment, because I'm going to hang up. Bye.

Commercials are over, so I gotta go. The game's back. I'm just, um, microwaving some marshmallows. So I'll talk to you later. So, uh, it's like, thanks for answering. Sometimes all I need to do is like talk about, you need a job, you need a job and some sobriety. Get the fuck out of here. So the girls come home from Chippendales wooing, of course. Like, oh my God, woo! Chippendales is so fun. Woo! It's amazing. Chippendales woo! Woo! Chippendales was like so fun. Hi, it's Jesse speaking. I'm so glad that us girls stayed and got to experience that. I'm just like sad that like not everyone else was here. So like now we're

going to go home and check the girls, like see everyone else was here. So like now we're gonna go home and check the girls like see other feelings. So their husbands want them to be locked away in the house tonight. But I just want to make sure that like, they're still able to have a good weekend. And if we can like tell them that they are in shitty relationships, that'd be a plus two. So the girls who stayed home are miserable. They're like, they've got their faces rested on their hand on the table. Like, the peanuts gang, they're just fucking miserable and Demi and Jesse

are just laying it on really thick to me it's like oh my god whoo I got pulled up on stage like he was like standing over me and then he pulled his pants down and put my hands on his butt it was amazing whoa wait wait you guys I have to tell you something I've been wanting to tell you this all night whoa whoa and, Oh my God, guys, guess what I found? I found one of the Trippendale dancers. Like I found his Instagram account. Okay. Here's his profile. And then she reads it. She goes, Oh my God, on his profile, his bio says, God first dancer for Trippendale second. And then Macy, which is a hilarious thing just to put on your profile.

And then Macy goes, goes, he has a heart because he said God first on his Instagram, which is just bullshit you put up there to make girls like Macy go, oh my God, he's like deeper than that. He's a dancer, but he's got more of the going on. Yeah. He's not just a good body. And Macy's like, yeah, and an STD, but it's fine. He likes God. He's not just a good body. He cares about God first, guys.

And people who care about God first are good guys. Just like in the second Dakota. He's not all body, he's also God-y. Okay, everybody. So then the girls are like not smiling at all. They're just like like Taylor's just eating more. And they're like, what's wrong? And Jen says, he just said he's done with everything. And to me, it's like, pardon me, he's done with everything. What is that supposed to mean?

You should call him and get him on the phone right now so I could do this in his ear. So Jen goes, he's saying I'm not gonna be married to someone who doesn't have values and morals. Can I am like shocked? Like you cannot take back those things. Like Well, first of all, you're getting you're actively gambling. You're taking this from the gambling table. You are a an at you are a literal gambling addict, you fucking idiot. I can't believe this guy.

You look like the villain from Mega Man and you're gambling and then you're going to accuse her of being a moral. No, sir, it doesn't work that way. So she's like, what did I do in this situation? And to me, it's like he has no right to threaten your marriage. Okay, this is bullshit. It's gross. There's like an other, there's no other to threaten your marriage. Okay. This is bullshit. It's gross. There's like an other, there's no other way to put it. Like he's judging you. It's

not okay. And this is really strange. And Michaela's like, well, um, I think that's totally valid. And, um, you know, like we're not there. I'm like, why are you? And Taylor says, why are you still talking? And Michaela says, yeah, like why is she arguing? Like she's there and Michaela or Taylor saying yeah, that's what I just told to Dakota. Like I went home There's nothing else to say. So zip it hmm, and Demi is just like shocked that Taylor is just dealing with this etc. It feels like they're in a different era Also doesn't help that probably Jen packed like a dress like the pioneer days. So Demi is like, I don't like,

I don't know how to say this any nicer, but if I was in your relationship, I would want to jump off of a cliff. I guess I could have said that nicer. Like maybe you shouldn't be in that relationship. No, I'm gonna go back the first way. I would literally throw myself off of a cliff. I would rather die. I would rather land on five different jagged rocks and then get eaten by a Gila monster then be married to your man Yeah, I could have said that nicer. I'd rather be married to a 50 year old and I am so I'm putting my money Where my mouth is on this one girls and she goes she got me. So she goes I mean, how do you do it? Both of you. I mean aren't you miserable? Yeah She goes, I mean, how do you do it? Both of you, I mean, aren't you miserable? Yeah.

Terrible relationship. And Taylor's like, yeah, but I guess I created my own issues. Yeah, okay, you do make a ton of bad decisions, but that doesn't mean you deserve this. I mean, this is crazy. So karma's like, I don't know, a ticket. It's like a speeding ticket or, you know, you know, bad boyfriend,

maybe, but not abuse. This is fucking crazy. And so Taylor's like, yeah, I've tried, but I've created a lot. So I don't know what to do. And to me is like, I mean, are you done being miserable? It's exhausting. And she's like, yeah, I told him if he's miserable, he can walk away. No, because he's happy being miserable. That's his cycle. That's his happy place. He's being miserable and controlling. I guarantee you, whoever he's with, he's fighting in a toxic way and threatening them and sobbing all the time about how they don't love him enough.

And he loves them more than anybody else. It's not you. It's him. And Taylor's telling us that she's, you know, looking at marriage, you know, like she's still debating whether or not to marry Dakota. And she's looking at the problems already coming up with in her relationship. And then she looks at Zach and Jen and she's like, I don't want Dakota ever to try to control me the way Zach controls Jen and that's not going to be okay with me.

And like, basically she's going to shut that down. She wants to shut this all down before it gets out of hand. So then, um, they're talking, Jen and Taylor are talking more about it. And Jen's like, you know, I don't think I'm going to be able to sleep until I talk to him. And Taylor's like, um, I'm not, you know, I want to sleep alone. I don't, I don't need Dakota. And I'm not apologizing. You know, you, you did apologize. All you did was come home. That's what you're supposed to do. So I don't know what you're, you know, you did apologize. All you did was come home. That's what you're supposed to do So, I don't know what you're you know, stop being so miserable. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crap It's commercial

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And she's like, text, text, text, text, text. She's like texting on her phone and she's texting and texting and texting. And Demi is like, why don't you just call him? And apparently Zach wouldn't take her call and he said he didn't want to see her, said he was done. And then Demi is basically like that because a huge narcissist and and like, you know, she said that she

read like the thread, she was Demi was reading the text because Jen had showed them to her. And it was like way worse than she could have ever expected. And he kept on saying things like I'm fucking done, Jen, I'm done with you. I'm done with our marriage. I'm done. You're disgusting. Like you're things you should never ever say in a, in a marriage unless you really mean it. Like if you're just doing it to like have as a control technique,

it is so vile and so nasty is this guy is like literally like a piece of shit. And he even said, I don't love you anymore. And they all gasp. And then take that back. That's crazy that he said that. Yeah, it's disgusting. I mean, I don't, I mean, I even get tired of it. I'm glad this is only eight episodes because I'm like exhausted by these men. I can't even believe these people are lasting the song. I can't last eight episodes just because being around these men is so toxic. Whitney was so smart stepping away, letting the men come come it fill the void be the real enemies. And then she can

come back in and be like, see, I was only like the campy villain. These guys are the real ones. He still fucking sucks. Whitney goes and stands up for the man in a minute. So no, we forgot. Whitney sucks more than ever after this, like she has the opportunity to let other people be bigger villains, but she just doesn't really take it. You know, the sleeves are in the way.

She just can't see. So she can't see the forest for the sleeves. So then Demi is saying, you know, Zuck was like playing games with her and she just wanted to talk. But then he's like, he said that he's not, she better show up where he is or he's never talking to her again. Like he's threatening to take the kids. He's threatening to move back to his mom's. It's like, wow, moving to your mom's big scary man over there.

Think you better watch out or I'm going to let my mom cook my dinner for now on. Like, I think that it shouldn't be that Zach is worried that Jen is worried that Zach is gonna do this. Zach should be worried that Jen would do this because the fact that he is so rattled, he is so insecure and so fragile over the mere fact that she was in the presence of Chippendales on a TV show, on a reality TV show that was clearly arranged by the producers to do this. The fact that he is so upset about this, like what about the other scenarios that are gonna happen down the line in this marriage? Like she needs to just run for the hills. It could be anything. It could be any. It's always going to be this. It's, I'm sure it's

this for every little thing. She goes to a fucking lemonade stand on the street. It's going to be, is that lemonade? Where'd you get lemonade stand? Who'd you get lemonade with? People don't go to lemonade stands alone. It's not something you do alone. You did it with somebody. Who was it? Oh, now you're going to lie to me. I just can't fucking trust you. I don't trust you around my children. You just disappeared. Where were you when the kids were here? You should have been here with the kids. And instead you're going to lie to me. I just can't fucking trust you. I don't trust you around my children. You just disappeared. Where were you when the kids were here? You should have been here with the kids and instead you're at some lemonade stamp. I mean, it's people like abusers or abusers.

Like there's nothing you're going to do. It could be any kind of a situation and he's going to pull this shit. This happened to be an extreme situation where it's Chippendales, but I'm sure it's like this one. She takes too long at the grocery store. This guy's a fucking piece of shit. So then they're talking about like, you can never take those words back and this is going to damage her and Demi's like, yeah, um, he said, uh, the fact that you basically put yourself in this situation and, um, the other husbands trusted you

guys, she's basically saying like, but everyone else's husbands are like chill and are saying like, have a good time. And he goes, Well, you know, stop bringing up other couples that I would never want to be anything like because don't forget that Jess cheated on her ex husband, everyone's like, and just like, that's not even true. Okay, I'm like, where did you even get that? So now they're all mad at Zach, because Zach is like, fuck the other couples too.

They all are shit. And now they're like, oh, gross. And he said, Macy and Jacob are a joke. She walks all over him and Macy goes, yeah, that's called respect, bitch. And just, no, literally. And then Demi is like, and then Demi divorced and married to a 50 year old,

but he's like trying to come off like he's the alpha. And I'm like, look, I'm like, you look like the biggest baby bitch right now. Yeah. So then Macy's like, yeah, I knew that he was controlling. I didn't know it was this bad, you know, and I don't know if it's the fact that they're in the church and seeing that it's the traditional. Yes, it's being in the church is being part of something that you guys worship the fact that the men get to control you their whole lives.

Of course abusers are attracted to that shit. Yeah. Not saying all Mormons are abusers. I'm just saying that it's a place where they can flourish. I'm saying it's a good soil. It's a fertile soil to grow abusers. So you know, they're all, you know, they're just saying like, he sucks. So then Dakota calls and Taylor's like, Hi, what are

you doing? He's like, I'm gonna go to a go karting place. Okay, well, who are you with? By myself. And she's like, why are you by yourself? Like, could you just drive your car somewhere? It's not like the same effect. And she's like, but she's like, Zach, just like bounce. Like, I don't know what's going on. He talked to me last night, but I don't know. I'm so alone. I'm so scared. I'm just a poor little boy. You're fucking at a go-kart place.

Fucked up right now. Somewhere in Vegas. Hello. Get the fuck out of here. How creepy is this? That's where he chose to go. It's alone. That's so strange. No, I was expecting like, I'm at circus, circus, just breaking down drunk, you know, the kids pen. So basically, Dakota says that like, like, he like he lost track of Zach last night. He hasn't seen Zach in forever. So

Taylor's like, Yeah, I feel bad. Like Jen like didn't leave her until I think like 2am or whatever. They're like, Whoa. And Dakota's like, yeah, well, I think he was gambling until like one 30 or two or she goes, wait, he was gambling. Oh shit. Wait, wait, was I not supposed to say something? I'm just so alone and scared. So then, um, to me is like, yeah, I think Zach's gambling is getting bad. Cause Jen told me his family gave him a chunk of money to help him through medical school and kind of ease that burden.

And he gambled it all away. Wow. That's bad. That's bad. That's not only, I thought maybe his dad was like, listen, You're married now and it's important for Amanda support himself and his family So you guys figure it out or doing something like that? But the fact that your parents did support you and your loser ass gambled it all away And now you're doing the same things your current family and your wife's money and you're still being this

That's why he's yelling at her because he's like such an utter failure on all fronts. He's like not living up to his parents expectations. He's pissing money away. He's being a quote unquote sinner. He's basically failing all the personal tests that he's set out for himself and the only way he can actually live with that is if he takes it out all on Jen and makes her like the bad one and maybe it's like he he's only doing this because she drives him to because she's so difficult that he had that he's forced to go to his vices. It's like, so he just shits on her for all of his shortcomings.

It's just, well, he's also doing it because he just lost all of her money. And so he's making it that she she committed a worse crime than him. So they're not going to focus on the money. Exactly. Exactly. So Dakota is saying, I don't even know what's going on. Jen's, she's telling her, Jen was sobbing, she felt like she did something wrong. Because when we went in there,

we met them and stuff and then we obviously, and he goes, wait a minute, you met them? He drops his crying act like, I'm just alone in a go-kart place and I miss you. You met them. He drops his crying act like I'm just alone in a go car place and I miss you. You met them. What do you mean? The Chippendales? Yeah. Because well, you didn't tell me that. Well, I'm telling you right now.

But why did you tell me last night? Well, we haven't talked. So where would I have told you that? Last night? I'm telling you right now. What's the issue? If I didn't tell me last night. Okay, can someone in a go-kart please run this person over? Please, Dakota, could you take a few steps to the right, right into the middle of the track? Thanks so much. Okay, great.

And Macy's like, this shows that men have insecurities and it makes me feel like he's hiding something. Like there's something off about that. And now I've got this confession about Dakota. Like I feel like this could easily be true. Like I feel like we need to get to the bottom of this. And for those who don't remember the confession is, you know, Macy has a thing called like, Sinner Sundays. And someone sent in an anonymous thing saying, I accidentally slept with Dakota

before I knew he and Taylor were together. And I only met her once and I'm terrified to tell her, but I feel like she has a right to know, help. So is she gonna tell Taylor? How is she gonna do it? When's it gonna happen? So they're like, oh my God, where's Jen? What's happening to Jen? She's not returning our texts.

And Jessie's like, of course I feel bad about her. Like I feel responsible, you know, it's supposed to be fun. And then hearing about their reactions, I would like to say I'm shocked, but I'm not shocked he's like the typical LDS husband and it's hypocritical and all that which you know, yes and Macy now food is delivered So they all gather to start eating and stuff and talking about how insecure and loser like these guys are

yeah, and Just like the men have like caused more trip on this group, more drama on this group than the women have. I feel like at this point, like that's like so true. And like, yeah. And because I wouldn't say that, like, well, Michael, you wouldn't say anything. Why are we even on the trip in the first place? No one even likes you, Michael.

She's like, oh, so then there was like talking about this, the group and everything. I guess it's with that Whitney here? It's so much less drama without Whitney. And she's like, yeah, just like, oh yeah, I keep forgetting. She's part of our group even. Oh, and Macy's like, you know, I will say like when he's always been like really impulsive, but I've never seen her like this impulsive, like I heard that she's actually doing the homesteader thing. Is that crazy? Like this is very hot and cold. And she's like getting very angry easily and crying.

I'm like, are you okay? So, um, Well, I haven't given up on Whitney being a part of mom talk everyone else has, but I still have the dream alive of all of us elbow dancing together in unison. And she's like, one thing, you know, she's like, but it is more peaceful. So, Macy's like, yeah, it, you know, it almost seems like she can't control her emotions until like a little bit later. I'm like, Whitney, calm down. And Michaela's like, well, I think that angry wise, she's like never been this angry. Like she's so angry these days. Like she threw a vibrator at the wall.

She was so angry. Like this is impulsive. Yeah, until she's like apologizing, like for real role. I'm like done with that. So then we go to Whitney and Connor. Connor today is dressed like a cow. He's really cosplaying. And he's like, oh man, I just got off the phone with Jordan. You're not gonna believe what he told me. She's like, what? I know you're trying to like avoid the drama.

So you want me to tell you what's going on? I would hate for you to relish in all the drama. And he's like, so everybody goes to Vegas, but Zach and Dakota also went down because Dakota wanted to go because his wife is pregnant, but he didn't want to go alone because he's an ex addict. So Zach, a current addict went with him. And I guess the girls decided to like go to a show and they decided to go to Chippendales. And according to Jordan, like the girls got like VIP access, they decided to like go to a show and they decided to go to Chippendales And according to Jordan like the girls got like VIP access

They got to like go backstage and help oil up the guys and I was like send me pics and no one sent me pics I'm like still waiting but I'll let you know anyway Zack and Dakota were pissed off So Zack blows up on Jen and calls terrible names and according to Jordan like a terrible mother And he started threatening Jim with divorce and when he's like, Oh my God, by the way, who's Jordan? I don't know. But he texted me and he said, and apparently Zach said, I want a divorce that my stuff's gonna be out of the house by tomorrow. And it's like you have no values.

And Whitney's like, um, I don't know. I don't care. Not my marriage. I'm just saying. I mean, I could see where he's coming from. What a bitch. What an absolute and I don't even like, I don't even like that. But what an asshole. Sorry. I called her a bitch. what an absolute, and I don't even like, I don't even like that, but what an asshole.

Sorry, I called her a bitch. That's not very nice, but what an asshole. What a shit. I forgot that she said that. What a piece of crap. She was like, not my marriage. I mean, I can see where he's coming from. I don't think she's a good friend.

Oh, okay. So because you're mad at her, then it's okay for her to be with an abuser and she deserves whatever she gets. Fuck off lady. This lady is totally one of the ladies in the blue coats on Handmaid's Tale. 100%. Whitney. Monster. No wonder they have the fucking blue coats. It all makes sense now. She says, no, I think it's fair to say that what happens in Vegas doesn't always stay

in Vegas. And I made the right choice not to attend that event because so far in this mom talk group, honestly, Macy's like my only friend. No one's talking to me. No one's reaching out to me. And that's totally fine, but Macy's my only girl right now. I love when people are totally wretched and they're horrific and they say, you know what? I'm leaving.

And then they're like, I can't believe no one's reached out to me after I was a monster and said, I'd never wanted to talk to any of them anymore. I can't believe no one's reached out to me after I was a monster and said, I'd never wanted to talk to any of them before anymore. I can't believe it. Yeah. Um, she sucks. Whitney, Whitney gets worse by this, by the second.

And of course she likes Macy because Macy's still kissing her ass on the side. You know? Yeah. Um, so she's like, I mean, I just really kind of goes, you know, it takes so much confidence to do what you did, you know, quit because you're not getting your way and stomp your feet until somebody gives you your way. I mean, wow, amazing, hon. Amazing. You know, like you really collect created this boundary for yourself to protect your emotions, kind of like how I do it bad, you know, except I do with pillows, and you do it with bitchiness. So you created a great boundary.

You were like, I would rather go stand around a horse that's actively defecating than be around you girls. That's a great boundary. You did it with me. And she goes, you know what? I love what mom talks stands for, which admittedly is really nothing at all. It literally is just people dancing, but I love that it stands for that. And I feel like I've already done so much for this platform. Thank you, America. Thank you for giving me this platform. And I will continue to do as much as I can. Sell vibrators, wear puffy shoulders.

I don't know, but I just don't know if I want to do this with this group of women. I mean, it's really hard. I'm going on a solo career and just, I'm gonna only do TikTok solo about problems my children are having. Hopefully deadly diseases. They seem to get the most engagement. So we're back to the Airbnb and the girls are playing pickleball and you know, cause the vibes are just like off.

So they're going to blow off some steam and have fun, fun girl times. Cause you know what? This is mom talk and mom talk is going to survive this. And if it means playing pickleball to bring the smiles back, so be it. So, um, Macy is like, well, the vibes are really off with this. So like, I mean, I watched a lot of true crime and I'm really worried about Jen, you know, like I'm not saying Zach would kill her, but at this point my mind's in circles, you know? I mean, she's at my age not answering her phone. I mean, what the hell? I mean, it's almost like the sun lights out everywhere Zach is going. They just keep going into hiding, going into hiding,

going into hiding. So they're like, they're getting to the hot tub. They're talking about Jen, like where's Jen and everything, et cetera. And, um, Demi says, Oh my God, guys, I just got a text. Okay. It's from Jen. She said, we were up all night, dude. It was the hardest conversation I've ever had with him. And like, what does that mean? And she goes, she says, they'll tell us, she'll tell us later. And so now they start like debating, like is Jen going to be like, come back and be like,

it was really tough or she gonna be like, oh yeah, no, everything's fine. Everything's fine. It was really, everything's okay. And we all know that Jen is gonna be that person that says it was okay. And Jessie really calls her when she says, he's gonna be like, guys, it's fine.

Like he respects me now. That's exactly, I mean, just that, that statement she put out a couple of weeks ago was that like, guys, I know Zach seems one way on the show, but he's really good person, good father. He loves me and respects me. No, he doesn't stop telling yourself that. So then, um, Jesse's like, yeah, you know, Jen and I, we share different religious views and that can be hard. But Zach is exactly the problem with the Mormon church guys like this, you know, he's controlling. And I'm so sorry that she's been living with this for so long, you know? Yeah. Meanwhile, more important issues, we cut to Michaela

sitting down on a sofa and she goes, guys, it's actually my first time sitting on this couch. I know the Zach issue is very pressing, but also I think it's important to know let's like acknowledge this is Michaela's first time sitting on this couch. Well, typical influencers like they have to review everything. Macy's like, yeah, it's like a comfy couch, right? She goes, yeah, but like, where's it from? Because like, I want this kind of depth in the couch. Like, I really enjoy the depth. And she's like, Does it have a tag? Or is that like on the cushion? She goes, There's one under your head. She goes, No, that's not that's not

that. Oh, my god, get your titties out of my face. I'm trying to figure out who I need to influence for. Oh, my god, now your coochies in my face. I'm looking for the tag. I need to find out what the sofa is. I need to know the fucking sofa. She's like, okay, okay, okay, Michaela, relax. Michaela, just please just calm down. She's like, okay. So then she finds the tag. And guess what? The tag doesn't even say what sort of sofa this is. I hope that Michaela found that. Season two. Michaela trying to find a couch with the proper depth, like they had in the air before. It's like she's got like strings up in her room. She's like triangulating. She's like, OK, I looked at Wayfair. I looked at all modern.

Turns out they're the same platform, even though they look like totally different platforms. They're actually the same thing. So that was really confusing. And I think I got very close to it. But I think there's a wholesaler in China that may have this sofa. We're getting close, girls. We're getting real close.

close. Good news. Dakota's here. So he's like, come on, come on, guys, let me in. Let me in, guys. I really need to get in. This guy looks completely strung out and fucked up reading pupils. And they're like, she's sleeping right now. He's like, I want to go up there. I'm gonna go. And then he runs up there and jumps right in her room. Of course, to his wife, who is about to pop out a baby and who's finally asleep. Yeah. He's going to wake up to start another fucking fight. Yeah. So yeah, cause like she's like dead asleep. So he goes on there. He's like, Hey, I'm just going to be like real quick.

And so he goes in and I just want to talk with you. I'm just like feeling like I definitely overreacted last night. And, you know, and me while Michaela and Macy are like listening in because they are doing a best friends, you know, honored right, which is to eavesdrop on their couple friend, couple friends. And so, because like, I know we've had a lot of issues, like sensitive things about our relationship, and I'm just, I'm really sorry. I really am Taylor. So then Taylor like does her thing with her hands over her eyes and starts sobbing.

Yeah, I mean, she was like, Oh, my God, we're about to have a baby and we're still so bad, you know, and then outside, Michaela's like, he said he overreacted. Oh my God. Ask him, ask him if he knows how to measure couch depths. And so Dakota's like, you know, I'm really sorry. And Macy outside is like, Oh my God, my heart stopped. Should I go tell him? And then we, the phone goes off and Michaela goes, Oh my God, that's your alarm to tell Taylor. She'd sat an alarm. I love that she's like Siri set an alarm at 2pm for me to go tell Taylor that I found out that her husband is cheating on her or that her boyfriend is cheating on her during confession Sundays.

And Taylor's just like basically saying, I just think that, you know, this time would be the time that you could just be like, patient with me, and be chill with me instead of flipping out, because I happen to be in the same room as Chippendales. And she's, and she's talking about how she has trust issues because of what, you know, she's done and you know, etc, etc. So she's just going through all this. So then to me walks up and is like, what the fuck is happening? Like, Dakota's about to say something and cut to Dakota saying, and that was the brand of the sofa that I really loved. And I don't ever want to talk about it ever again. McKell is like, oh, damn it. Yeah. So Dakota's like, you know, you have to understand, babe, I came into this relationship and you showed me a completely different you, you know? I mean, you lasted

about 30 seconds, you were always dancing and smiling. There was always music playing under you. She's like, that was my Instagram. But still, why can't you just be like that? This is such a load of bullshit to be like, you know what? Like you were one way in the beginning of this relationship and now it turns out you're a different person. I'm like, and you want to get married to that? It's also called getting to know someone too, by the way. Well, no, because he's saying you were a different person.

Like now you have your walls up and she's like, yeah, I have my walls up because you cheated on me. Yeah. Oh, he's like, oh, that has nothing to do with it. By the way, you know who else is also supposedly changed is you, Dakota. You were an addict and now you're in recovery. So like like you all like, which is a way of saying that, like when people have changes, but you shouldn't hold that against them. Like that could which is a way of saying that like, when people have changes, that you shouldn't hold that against them, like that could be extra sign of growth, theoretically,

right? I hate him. That's all I know. So she's, she's like, Yeah, you cheated on me. So my walls went up. So then outside Macy's like, Oh my god, I guess I'm glad I didn't tell her. I mean, I don't know, like, we should though, right? Because like, now she's breaking down. And then

what am I supposed to say? Wow, you're about to have a baby and you're breaking down. Here's a message. Someone say, here's a Oh, God, she's just gonna give birth. I don't want her to give birth in the Airbnb. Oh, God, I won't be able to catch that baby. Like, yeah, but don't if you tell her afterwards, she may have postpartum. So be even worse. You should probably tell her before you should preload it. Like, okay. So then Taylor's basis, Taylor and Dakota talking

and saying they're just like really broken, like the two broken people that are drowning to help each other, you know? Which is, I think that should be in their wedding vows. I think that's a really great way to start your relationship. Yeah. You know, it's always a raging river. We're always in it.

And we only have each other to save each other's lives or we'll die. Wow. How romantic. So then, Macy's nervous about this and basically I think she should tell her right in front of Dakota because Macy's already got that relationship with them where she's their therapist anyway and she's so dead honest about Dakota that she should be like, well, okay, now my confession Sunday, I heard you're cheating. So what's your answer to that?

Right. So now it's later in the evening, the girls are getting ready to go out, getting in the car and everything. They're sort of talking and asking if Jen has texted anyone back yet. And he's like, I'm just going to say that. Sorry, Macy, you're really late.

So basically no one, she hasn't texted anyone back. I think she's only talking to me at this point. Yeah. And then Macy is outside and she's like, oh my God, your sister's going to jail. Stop taking pictures of yourself, a la Kris Jenner. And then it goes, who's my sister? She's like, Taylor, I'm just kidding.

Taylor's like, what? I'm not going back there. It's like, oh my God. I'm sorry for using a pop culture quote, Jesus. So, you know, Taylor was telling Macy that like, you know, she's just, Macy's asking her about like the conversation with Dakota and Taylor just saying how like they're just like struggling and she just didn't want to be like Jen in five years, et cetera. My good friend Jen, I just don't want to ever be like her in that situation.

So of course, God. So then, um, they're still talking about what a piece of shit Zach is over and over basically. And then, um, Macy is talking about, um, talking to her and Jesse's like, well, I want to, um, she's like, but, uh, I'll leave that up to you. Cause I made a promise not to say anything. I have Jesse saying, do you have her location? And to me it's like, no, but I was going to call and forget, I was going to call, but I forgot our phone. So they're like,

okay, we'll call her, but know that you're going to be on the speaker with Zach as well. Right. So of course, they call, they call Jen and Jen's like, hi, what's up? And Demi's like, oh my gosh, I'm glad to hear your voice. Finally, she goes, I know, I know. She's like, where are you? And she goes, well, I just got to the house, but I wanted to see where you guys were at. And if you guys ordered food already,

like, yeah, well, we just ordered. She goes, like, all right, is everything okay with Zach? He goes, oh, things are great. My gosh, it was honestly, it was so needed. I'm actually really glad it happened and they all of course led to the best night of our lives. Gosh this is great. Thanks girls this basically led to a second honeymoon. It was in retrospect it was that the text were actually like very funny and they're actually very romantic and it

really just showed how much he cared about me so like it's honestly it was like really really needed honestly. Yeah so to me. So like it's honestly, it was like really, really needed. Honestly. Yeah. So, um, to me it's like, ah, cause the way you left in the Uber at two in the morning, I mean, that was confusing. It's like, yeah, well, a romance. Am I right? Gosh. So Macy's like saying how Zach, Tim's Jen's light and like, she can't like, she makes you think that Jen can't even say what she means because she's so worried about his opinion. And she goes, and this is pretty much the opposite of everything we stand for as a group at MomTalk. And what do you stand for again?

Dancing really quickly to Bruno Mars. So then Jen's like, no, no, now I'm fine. Really. Didn't you hear me? I wanted to get some calamari with you. Everything's going great. So they hang up and they're like, yeah, that was bullshit. It was great. Everything was great. And they're like, that sounds creepy. And Jesse says that she was in that relationship and her actions just like this. And it's hard for her to even see Zach because he's exactly the same. Like Ted Bundy.

I mean, are they all, they're all, how many of them were in the situation or are in the situation? This is fucking crazy. I mean, this many of them have abusive partners or abusive ex partners. I like part of me feels bad for saying anything like this is the nature of religion or whatever. But I mean, do the math, do the math, how many of the men this is fucking ridiculous. as you said before, it goes beyond Mormonism and like part of it is just like a function of just toxic masculinity that pervades our culture and so many others. But yeah, this is a this is not a good that they keep on sort of saying like this is unfortunately like Mormonism seems to be like they can thrive. It seems like according to them, I it sounds like a shitty situation for a lot of these women. So anyway, the the girls all go to like, they're good.

They're going to go out after dinner. They're going to go bar hopping except for Taylor, who's like not allowed to go into bars. So, um, some of them are going to hang out. And so Taylor is hanging out with Macy and, and Demi, and they're kind of like just hang out. But then this is where Macy is gonna like drop the bomb about confession Sundays or center Sundays. Dun, dun, dun.

So the girls go to disco pussy and Macy's like, definitely not in Utah anymore. Look how cute the fireplace is. This is crazy. Oh my God, you guys, I just came up with a brand. It's called Disco P pussy. It's like disco But for cats, it's not amazing Thank God. I thought you were gonna say fireplace talk and I was like, I'm not sure we can do that

So Macy is like I need to tell you something I don't want to bring it up but then like you're at that fight and I was like I should bring this up Maybe I should bring it up. I don't know. I should bring it up, but I'm gonna bring it up because you're about to birth So I don't want to bring it up. Maybe I should bring it up. I don't know if I should bring it up, but I'm going to bring it up because you're about to have birth. So I don't want to bring it up. I'm going to bring it up anyway. If it were me, I would want to know. So I'm going to bring it up. You know, how do you like center Sunday?

I do a thing called center Sunday. Yeah. So, um, it's like confessions on days sometimes or center Sunday, whatever you want to call it. But either way, someone sent me a confession about. She said she accidentally hooked up with Dakota when you were with them. Dun dun dun. And Taylor goes, I accidentally slept with Dakota.

What does that mean? And yeah, OK, that confession sounds like somebody shifting blame for something. They also had blame for it. But let's not focus on her. Let's focus on Dakota, please. Taylor is shocked, so shocked. She's like, I'm in shock. Taylor literally not shocked at all.

She's like, her face is just like, yep. So you're telling me you love me and then you're gonna go fuck another bitch? I don't want you. And so she's doing that. I hope it's not true. But it seems like it could be true. I don't know what to think. If you still don't know what to think, you're never gonna get out of this. You know exactly what to think the fuck out of here. Get tell him to get the fuck out of here. Oh, my gosh. It's a surprisingly muted reaction to this news. So then Jen walks in, she's like, hi guys. Hi. So America,

it was definitely a hard night with Zach and we talked everything out and he ended up apologizing to his mom for marrying me. And so I'm just like meeting up with the girls to let them know that for the most part we have figured everything out. Everything is fine. Huge overreaction. I just gave him $2,500 more because he said this will get him out of the hole. And I believe him

because we have a relationship built on trust where I have to trust him and he doesn't have to trust me. It's so fine, guys. So then she's trying to make small talk. She's like, how was today today girls? Was there any drama? Really nothing to talk about? No drama at all. And they're like, Hi, you left yesterday after a fucking crazy abusive episode want to talk about anything. And to me is like, oh my god, like, I'm

nervous of Jen right now. Because like, depending on day, the conversations, she's just came from Zach. We get a different version of her every time. Like I don't think she's even comprehending it. And it just cuts to Jen going, what did I miss? Has it been going with you guys? She seems like a little bent out as well, which if anyone should be. Her eyes are likely closing very slowly, you know, she's like, Hi, everything's great guys.

It's very stepford wives, this whole thing. It's sad. So then Jen is like, so Taylor's like, well, what have you been dealing with? Because I yelled at my guy. Did you yell at your guy? She's like, you guys, I don't even know where to start. I mean, obviously, you guys saw how upset Zach was last night and you know what? He knows he's in the wrong. I mean,

he didn't say it or acknowledge it or admit it, but I can tell. And all I know is like we argued and a lot happened, but at the end of it, you know, he has these narcissistic traits about him, but they like, and they come out in situations like this, you know, every few months, but like, who's to say in another marriage that won't be the same thing. I was like, girl, oh my God, how are you, how are you, how are you saying this and acting like it's, that's a totally normal thing and okay. Yeah. It's like every marriage has its things, right? So I'm with a raging controlling narcissist. Well, that's just our thing. Like, oh no. So she tells us, yeah, it was probably

one of the most real conversations we ever had. I mean, he just feels so bad about how he treated me and how he handled the whole situation and emptied the entire bank account probably and sold one of our children. It's okay. They haven't actually delivered the child yet. You know, it's a, it's an IO and you sort of a situation, but still he feels terrible about it.

You know, I feel, I do feel like the good outweighs the bad. I truly feel like I've never met someone who loves me more than him. And I just, Oh, I don't know. And they're like, um, because Jen you got married at 20 and Demi's like, you know, this is like, yeah, exactly. You're acting like you've, like, you have this like long, long dating experience, like years and years of dating and kissing the frogs as they would say. And she, and Demi's like,

I kind of think the theme of the church though is that like, this is what the problem is that everyone's getting married before their brains even develop? so we don't even want you to so we don't want you to feel trapped because you're not just like You're not trapped just because you have kids with them like there's such a taboo and it's all out the window You should be safe happy loved support and all the things you deserve that. That's a good friend right there everyone America Demi has consistently stood up for the right things all season long Yeah, she has because she's already been through the situation where she was with a you know Someone that she left and yeah, you know went and found somebody else

So, you know some of them have already been liberated and they're just trying to get the other ones out so Jesse's like yeah stereotypical Mormon if I've ever heard one, you know, and I think you'd be perfectly happy if Jen just followed him. It didn't have a personality of her own, you know? And so they're like, yeah, we're disgusted. We're disgusted with him. And this is very serious.

This is not okay. Like, what are you going to do? And I was like, yes, thank God. It was actually very impressive. this is not okay. Like, what are you going to do? And I was like, yes, thank God. It was actually very impressive. They were all sitting there and they were, they were, and then a not, not in a mean way, they were kind of laying it all out, especially Jesse. Jesse was like, all of us are discussing Zach. I think he's disgusting and I have no problems saying that. And I know you all agree. So please back me up. And, uh, Demi then he's like yeah it's not towards you this is like you know Jen you've done jack shit to this man you've done nothing but support him and nothing but be there for him and that's how you got treated that's narcissistic it's crazy that's a serious thing last week we talked about is Jesse a good friend or not because it's like Jesse did sort of set the situation. But I think that Jesse is being a very good friend here.

I think so too. Yeah. Well, my thing last week isn't like, she's a terrible person and a bad friend. I just think you're in a friend group where some people are really religious and by setting it up to where it's like, okay, we're on national TV

and now we're gonna go to a strip show. Now we're gonna go to bar hop. It's just like, you're purposely setting people up that you know are in a bad situation, and I don't think that's great. Now, do they know that it's that bad and they're basically making abuse bait? No, I don't think so.

I don't think she was purposely doing that. I just think that it's like, great, you have your liberation and stuff, but you're putting other really religious people, taking Zach out of the situation, you're putting other people in kind of awkward decisions on camera. You know what I mean?

I just didn't think that was cool to do. But yeah, this whole, your husband's an abusive asshole and you need to fucking leave him? Yes, hell yes. That's a great, you know, that's a great friend. And Jen is just kind of like trying to, like she's trying to still explain it all and rationalize because I literally agree with you and I'm not disagreeing with you and I think this is like

when she starts to cry and she's like I clearly see it and it was until I started vocalizing my opinion until I start providing until I had kids that I realized oh shit like I do have a voice I need to speak up and now that it's happening he just know, he hasn't seen the side of me before through our whole marriage and now it's just coming out. So this is just, he's just working through it. It's bringing out this narcissistic side of him because he feels like he doesn't have to, she doesn't have control.

And that's just, we're working through it. It's just like, I love him so much. I love my kids so much. It's like, so the moment that you started showing independence and starting, and you know, the moment you started providing because he basically blew through all the money, his narcissistic side came out.

I feel so bad for her that she is still in this place where she does not realize how unhealthy the situation is. She sees good news of it, but she's not, can't really admit it yet. Do you want your kids to learn this? You know, do you want your son to treat people like this? Because that's what they're gonna learn, you know? Which I just love this whole thing. Also, just to

make a note on another jussie thing, another problem with I had wasn't like, we have to tiptoe around the husband's you shouldn't be taking them to a strip club. It's doing it is like a it's a surprise, you're not going to know until we're on camera, like you don't get to make your own decision about it. You know what I mean? I just thought it was like a sensitive thing that they could have been like, this is a strip club, do you wanna go? Where the girls who like a housewives thing, whoever wants to do this can,

whoever doesn't wanna do this can. Okay, so anyway, back to this. What they're telling her here is right on. You know, you're teaching your kids this, these are patterns your kids are gonna learn. You know, you're putting your kids in situations where they're learning to be an abuser. And Jessie's like, we love you. We're just strong. And this is bullshit, you know, and, and on also, we don't like Zach now because of what he's saying

about us. Like he's saying, I cheated on my husband and you know, she's married to a 50 year old and you know, no one, her husband doesn't respect her. I mean, what the fuck Jen, she's like, she's like, we have a right to be upset, you know, and it's just so good. The way she's standing up for Jen, she's standing up for herself. She's standing up for all the girls. She is what mom talk is about. And Demi is like, yeah, you can't see when you're in it. Like you notice that there's patterns, but it's almost like it's, they're not adding up. And then, oh, this is where Jen just really starts to

sob. And it's sad because she probably it probably took a lot of energy for her to like, mentally get to a place where she could come back and be like, guys, everything is fine. And we see like, I mean, she knows, I think she knows on a certain level, but it's very scary to accept it and to and to want to take the next steps, you know? Yeah. Yeah. So we'll see. There's only one more episode left of this. Yeah. I'm interested to see how this all plays out. Yikes. Yeah. It was really, it was really intense, but like great, great episode. Great episode. Yeah. Thanks everyone for being here and for listening and we'll have

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