Watch What Crappens - #2596 Crappy Hour 10/21/24: Special Guest Sarah Fraser, RHOP DUI Mess, Apology Slam, Raquel Books It

Episode Date: October 22, 2024

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free right now by joining Wandery Plus. So much that happens Oh well you know what happens Oh well you know what happens Oh well you know what happens Oh well you know what happens Well hello and welcome to Crappy Hour I'm Ronnie and that's Ben. Hello, Ben! Hi Ronnie, how are you? I'm good, how are you doing there, baby? I'm great, I'm so. How are you doing there, baby? I'm great.

I'm so excited for today's Crappy Hour. Yes, we have a very special guest. Ben, why don't you tell the lovely people? Well, our guest is the host of the Sarah Fraser show. Spoiler, sort of gives you a clue into who it is. I was on her show last week and now- Be Arthur! Estelle Getty, the ghost of Estelle Getty. Happy Spooktober.

So without further ado, please welcome to Crappy Hour, Sarah Frazier. Hi Sarah, how are you? Ben, Ronnie, I'm so good. Thank you for having me. Oh, we're really excited to have you on here, especially because we're catching you right as you're sort of like, sort of lightly in our gossip Bravo cycle at the moment, which I was really delighted by when I was looking at some of the links today. I know, right? I have a direct line currently to Jimmy Bellino.

So we'll have a lot to chat about. Yes. Before, can you tell everyone where they can find your podcast and all that good stuff and social media before we forget later on? Yes. So I drop a podcast episode daily on the Sarah Fraser show. You can get it everywhere. You get your pods. You guys, I love, I love, I open my Apple app and there's top podcaster watch where crap is. And then you scroll way down and then there's the Sarah Frazier show. So you'll find it.

Apple, Spotify everywhere. And I cover a mix of everything from Bravo. I do love TLC shows like Sister Wives. It is a guilty pleasure. So you'll get a mix of everything. God, those Sister Wives are still going, huh? You know that Robin, we've sure seen a change in Robin. I remember when that show first came out,

I was a TV recapper and I had to do a few episodes of Sister Wives and it was right when they were getting Robin and she was like dating him and deciding that she was gonna be a sister wife and she was like a totally different person and everybody was like, oh my God, Robin's a pretty one. Robin gets everything, men and that. And now Robin's just miserable with babies hanging all over the place. I mean, if you ever, that's like a trajectory. If I've ever seen one, poor Robin,

she's always crying, sobbing. Have you ever seen anyone so miserable on television? I mean, and she looks like, that's any Prankle. This lady's worse. Trust me. Wow. Yeah. Ronnie, isn't it wild? And she looks like she smokes a pack a day. Is like a major alcoholic. I mean, just everything has fallen.

I mean, not that I can say much, but you know, I mean, it's like everything is sagging. It's, I know what a complete transition. Well, yeah, the set, you know, the sagging and stuff. I won't make a comment on, but figuratively, that soul is sagging. That is a sad, sad lady. I've never seen somebody.

And you know what? She didn't look too happy before. Because I remember before it was like, well, we're going to help me because she has a daughter. Didn't she have a daughter when she came into the marriage? She came into the marriage with three kids from a friar. Oh yeah, with kids. And they were like, we have to help.

He was like, I'm basically having a charity by getting a fourth wife, guys. Like, it's not that I need another woman to bank. We need to help her children. And they're like, OK, whatever. And she didn't look happy then either. So it's not that I need another woman to bank we need to help her children and they're like, okay, whatever. And she didn't look happy then either. So it's not like he had the happiest of brides. But goddamn, did she get depressed? My god, I want to eat ice cream just watching it. I

feel sad. I feel mascara running down my face just thinking about it. Well, you're not alone. And I was trying to figure this out. I wonder, they're in their 19th season. What? Yes. Do they do multiples per year? Half the video, right? Yes.

And do you know they've been going since 2010? And I'm like, God, are they getting up there as like the longest, one of the longest running reality shows? Yeah, probably. Wow. They're definitely up there because that was back in the heyday of reality TV. Okay, let's move on to some Bravo stories, shall we?

Why don't we start off with this Elizabeth Vargas, halalalala, our show tune queen, who used to be a cabaret star when she met her first rich husband. Unbelievable, undeniable, Elizabeth Vargas Rivers. Supposedly dating Jim Bolino. What's up with that? Yeah.

Wait. Is that a picture? Like I was blown because that photo dropped. I think he was on my podcast. We released the episode last Tuesday. Then that picture dropped like Wednesday. I was like, can you just tell me this? And they looked awfully cozy.

So I hit up Jim and I was like, so what's the story? Are you two dating? You said you weren't dating anyone. And he said, absolutely not. We are not dating. I'm single. So did he explain any of the coziness? Was it just like two friends being cozy together?

Well, they did go out on a date is what he told me. They did in fact go out on a date, but they are not dating I think the way the TMZ story had broke it that they had been dating for a while that they've gone out on a couple of dates. That part he says is not true. How how was Jim Bolino as a guest? Do you feel like he is forthcoming about this sort of stuff? Do you feel like he's

being honest? Like, could you gauge in like, as much of a capacity as you can, when you have a guest on your show? Like, do you feel like he was being like, truthful about this? Yeah, I, you know, look, we all have watched for years. And Jim was not well liked, came off as controlling, came off as uber religious. But he, you know, he said on the episode, he's gone to therapy. He's done a lot of work on himself. And, and you know, he's not religious anymore. He completely

know he lives in Palm Springs and he credits. I like, I was like, yeah, no, he's not religious. He moved to Palm Springs. I moved to the city where there are more people on their knees per capita than any other in the country. He lost his passion for Christ and went to mom's grave. Saddled it. Well, yeah, people in chat are saying, yeah, that was an old picture. Stuff like that. So this is a post from Elizabeth that came out today. I love everybody. I'm okay. I'm just

tired. I apologize for this week. It's terrible news. That's untrue. I don't know. I don't know what she's talking about. Because she's always got a bucket full of terrible news, you know, but I don't know if she's referring to the Jim Bolino thing or not. But yeah, I'm sure that caused some backlash because even I was like, how dare you, Elizabeth? How dare

and yet weren't you kind of like a little excited because it's already such a clusterfuck on Orange County with this whole Alexis and Johnny J situation and add Elizabeth Vargas into the mix. I was like, Oh my god, we are looking at the next great season next year. And so to know that this is actually not a thing makes me a little bit sad. I think that's, no, you're right. You're absolutely right.

I mean, it was funny because it's actually ironic because when he was on my show, I did say to him, wouldn't the ultimate thing to do would be to go to Johnny, you know, Jay's wedding with Alexis and show up with Shannon Bedore. And he did like really, he was like, stop. I was like, well, I mean, that would be like a scene. So I'm with you, Ben. That would have been, I mean, we would have been glued. Did he sue you afterwards? He was like, I'm suing you for defamation in my brain.

You defamed my fantasy. I'm sure tomorrow the lawsuit will be emailed. Yeah, I mean, look, you can't get blood from a stone. So, you know, let's go, Jimmy, you know, but maybe that's coming. Apparently, Kelly Dodd was on Jeff Lewis and said Elizabeth wanted to meet with Jim about putting vodka in his restaurants. So there you go. We have an answer. So now let's move on, because you're close with some of these Potomac ladies, eh? Let's talk about Ms. Karen Huger. No, I was gonna say, before we get out of Orange County,

there was one other headline I wanted to discuss. This way we don't have to ping pong back and forth to Orange County. There was an article in the mix saying that Orange County is getting really high ratings this season. But that the Alexis is being received so poorly that they're not sure like she may she might get fired as a result of it. Do you guys think Alexis Bellino should be fired or maybe refrained? Should she come back for next season?

What's she gonna do? Keep sleeping with people's ex? That lady brings nothing. Get her the hell out of here. She can't even string a sentence together. Hater, hate her accent, hate her accent when she's sad. Get her out. Wow.

I was gonna say bring her back. All right, go ahead. Please, feel comfortable. Hate her accent when she's sad. Please, feel comfortable disagreeing. I was gonna say bring her back. Go ahead. Please feel comfortable. Please feel comfortable disagreeing. I was going to say bring her back. I mean, clearly, Jesus Chugs is like, don't you love her back in the mix? I know everyone hates her, but I want to see how this plays out

with John Jansen. I mean, what does he do? Is this wedding going to be a huge Bravo wedding? I want to see it. But I did read that too, Ben, that she's sort of on the chopping block. Yeah, she is sort of in a love to hate category for me, which is I think she's like so vile. She's so terrible. And yet I find this dynamic very compelling.

So I actually would like her back, controversially. Well, thank God you two can't vote in America. It would be screwed. Um, yeah, I, I just don't think she really brings anything fun. I mean, she's at a chance. She's not fun. I don't think she has any good lines, but just, she's not fun to watch fight. She's just kind of a dumb. She's just kind of a dumb dumb get rid of her. I say has no good lines. She's fun time. Lexi. What are you talking about? She's nothing but a barrel of laughs and fun. Who wants a good time?

If you want a good time, this girl. But also she's just a friend of, so it's not like, oh no, the biggest firing in the world. They often don't bring friends back. Okay, wait, I'm curious. What do you guys think as experts, do you think they're gonna bring her back full time? Because that was one of the things that Jimmy said

on the podcast episode. He told her, do not come back unless they bring you back as a full-time cast member. And he's also suggested to her that she doesn't come back at all. You know, he obviously has a real hatred for the show. But do you guys think they would make her a full-time cast member?

I don't think they would make Alexis full-time. I think that Shannon's too important to them. And I think that would be a, I think that would be a blow to Shannon. And I don't think she's earned it. I mean, you know, what is that really? But what is that in this world? But I don't think she's earned it. I don't think she's really been entertaining enough and she's tried.

I think that the audience smells a try hard. I think like coming on the show by dating someone's ex is so low. Like Shannon's, the way she's doing it with John and then the whole blackmailing thing or the extortion thing, I think it's just so low and it's so thirsty and it's so sad and it's all for a friend of role.

And I think that people don't really respect that. Not that we have to respect our housewives, but you have to have some kind of like for your real housewives, right? I mean, even the bad ones, you're supposed to kind of love to hate or whatever. And I don't know, I don't I don't know if everyone's filled with as much disdain as me. I think a lot of people I think wonder that every topic in life. I think more people are on your are in your camp, Ronnie, I think, and I will say this, I don't think that should be a good full time housewife. I actually didn't think she was a

very good full time housewife the first time around, I think, as a friend of that's more her lane, you just get like, come all you need from her, which is her to sort of arrive, be vapid, say something dumb and then go, we don't have to sit through like endless scenes of her trying to design maxi dresses again, you know, it's same way how I feel like Vicky is actually much better in a friend of role. Like, so I don't think she should come back

as a full-time housewife. I do enjoy her as this really obnoxious friend of that comes in and torments half of them. But like if she goes, it's fine. But I think I would like her to stay. Well, you too, good luck to you too. Thank you. Good luck to you, Sarah. Good luck to you, Ben. I love you both. Even

if you get your way on this one. I'll love you guys and support you. Okay, come over to the island baby. Come on over. Nope. busy. Okay. Let's talk. Yeah, we don't need Yeah. So, Karen Huger. Here we are some Karen Huger stuff. Karen Huger. This is from in touch weekly. Karen Huger accuses police of illegal search in DUI case as she fights to suppress evidence Okay, this is According to documents She doesn't want them to introduce certain evidence. Okay, let's see back in March car accident blah blah blah driving alone blah blah blah

Driving an aggressive manner too fast for the conditions, blah, blah, blah. This is so good what ends up happening. I'm sorry, I'm blah, blah, blah-ing a lot. Okay, she said three took her to the ambulance to do a wellness check. Karen said she sat in the ambulance for a few minutes, but refused further medical treatment. She said her husband arrived at the scene

and she exited the ambulance and walked to the curb. The reality star's lawyer said, after Karen exited the ambulance and walked to the curb. The reality star's lawyer said, after Karen exited the ambulance, Sergeant grabbed Karen by the arm and told her and her husband that she is not free to leave. Then the Sergeant began to interrogate Karen by asking her incriminating questions such as, wait for this, this is rough.

Where were you coming from? And where are you going? You guys, what are we gonna do about? What are we gonna do about this? I'm coming from five nine and I'm heading to triple 20. They literally ask everybody that every time they're pulled over. It's invasive questioning.

You do not have to raise. Where have I been? I pay taxes. I'm going to my very prestigious award given by Subway Delicatessen shops. Because you were in an accident and appear to be impaired, you are not free to leave. So that means that he is in violation of her fourth amendment right and provided answers that the couple possibly incriminate her at a trial. So she's saying that he is making her answer whether or not she's drunk, which could incriminate herself. Therefore her fourth amendment was being trampled on. You gotta love this lady. Yes. Um, she, she cracks me up. And by the way, this was ultimately thrown out. The judge was like, No, because they were also saying, you know, did not read her Miranda rights. And the judge was like, No, these questions were not asked in like a, I think, custodial manner, is that the right term for it? Like she was not asked these questions after having been arrested. So like, these were questions that were part of like a normal roadside investigation where you don't need a Miranda

rights. So Judge Bates was like, no, nice try, Karen. Sarah, have you dealt with Karen Huger at all when you were in DC? I have and Karen's been on the pod. I, I, boy. Tell us everything. Well, the Grand Dame is just as you would expect. And actually I did a perfume event with the Grand Dame at Bloomingdale's, which sort of turned into like a twerking party and me doing like really bad standup comedy. I don't think she wanted to be there, but she was clearly getting paid so she had to stay. But Karen's always lovely.

I mean, she's, I actually think Karen is the most what you see on camera is what you get off. And, but you know, I do feel for Ray Ray. I mean, poor Ray Ray, like how many times has that man got to come and get her ass out of like trouble? This man, all he wants to do is look like he wants to sleep. And I mean- Or play golf in Florida.

Or play golf, I know. And yet now he's got to go walk with her to a trial. But now I mean, Karen was great. I was trying to think of what was like big that she said on the podcast, because it's been a couple years, but she was she was just kind of very similar to what she is. She is. I mean, she is great. She's she is hilarious. And I think that like Karen is giving us everything that we wanted. When she got this DUI, like we knew that like, oh, Karen's got a DUI, which means that she's gonna start saying all sorts of slippery things like you should

like, Well, you know, I can't talk about it because you know, I, there was an Inquisition birthday and you know, after I was inquisited by by you all, I don't want to say anything incriminating against the case where I could have died. Like, it's like what Karen? It's like very classic Karen Huger. I know. I love you. I was inquisited.

Couldn't even drive by the scene like it was triggering for. I'm like, girl, okay, you know what? Like triggering for you. I mean, Kidding. You ought to go buy it and say a prayer like thank the Lord you didn't. Absolutely. I haven't seen trees move that much since the Wizard of Oz sequel they were trying to get the hell out of the way. Crazy. Yeah, she yeah

she drove over a median and knocked over some signs which is not funny. It's only funny when you just like imagine as some sort of like screwball comedy and Karen Huger's behind the wheel. Oh no, you know. But it's a bit- Ma'am, do you know how fast you were going? How dare you! Shitting the police! So yeah, the judge said, no, no, no.

So the big news from this, well, some leftover news from last week was the Joel Kim apologizing to Shannon, where, you know, we all knew it had to come. And in his original rant against Shannon, he was saying, I don't even care if they make me take this down, fuck them. It's worth it, you know, fuck you, fuck you.

Yes. Fuck you, Pope. You know, like he really went for it. And so it sounded like no matter what, he was not going to apologize, but he did. You know, he ended up doing it. And it was a very long one and it almost, I was like, well, that's good.

Look, I judge controversy based on the quality of an apology because people really need to give them so much. And I felt like he did a pretty good one, but then he followed up in his last Instagram slide with this. The last one says, love our incredible crew and production staff so much and I would go to war for each and every single one of them. So in other words, I'm sorry I said all that but it was all true.

So worth it. What do you guys think? Sarah? Yeah, what do you think about this whole this whole kerfuffle? I actually agree with Ronnie on this one, because I think we all saw it coming. Right? We knew everybody from the start was like, Oh, he's gonna have to be apologizing for that if he wants to stay on the network. And yeah, I mean, don't you

think it was pretty like what you would expect? Like, you know, Shannon's great. And I know she's been through a hard year and I just was having the worst moment of my, you know, everybody's always the worst moment of their life. So the worst moment of my life. And, you know, I mean, he played it up and I think he'll be back on Bravo. Don't you guys think? Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, because I think people like we all generally like him.

I like him. And, you know, I'm also such a pushover for an apology. I am like the worst. Like literally the worst person can give the worst apology. I'm like, well guys, you know, I think that they've really made a change. And Ron is always like, no, what are you talking about, Ben? But I'm always like, no, I think that was good.

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I went down the opening day for the, you know, to wait in line, right? Oh, the opening day. Big mistake. Classic mistake for anyone going to a restaurant. Yeah. But you got to, that's also kind of your job, right? I mean, we didn't go to like,

how long been six months, six months, like we took forever because we're lazy job doers. Yeah. But yeah, which was a much better idea. All right, look, I waited like four and a half hours. Okay, but it's not good to the and I didn't get a sandwich. And I was probably like 30 people out. And you know, the video started out so positive it just got worse because it was like nobody communicated at the sandwich shop. I truly I stand by this part I don't think they had a PR rep on site because you guys have been to lots of openings. I've been to Gordon Ramsay's burger opening. Usually they have the stars come out they hand out a few samples there's a step repeat. They're taking pictures. The women that day were actually slicing the bread. They were like putting mayonnaise on the bread.

How you know, so we were for a while it was moving and then I would say it like two o'clock when the store closed at four, it stopped moving. But nobody let us know like they'd run out of sandwiches. So I was sitting with people, I go, I'll go ask. So the woman at the front had no idea, didn't know if they were closing or staying open. And I'm like, you know, people are like thirsty. There's a mom back there carrying a baby. There's like eight people with dogs, strollers. Let's be honest, you pulled the all, do you know who I am?

I said, do you know who I am? I'm a tea list podcaster that needs a sandwich. Anyhow, the line in the short was she comes back and she's like, we're closing at four. We've run out of, and she went down the laundry list of everything they were out of. They had no samples. They had no more water. I lost it. I gave them a terrible review and people are not happy about it. Do you think you would revise the review? Well, I got to give them credit and I did after that because the next day they came out, they were giving out samples, they were giving out water, they were checking on people. So I say, you know, I think, could I have done a different tone? Yeah, like I'm with Joel here. You know what, my tone was off. I was at this point, extremely angry. But I was, I do have to say to the women, just constructive criticism. It was a little strange how disorganized it was considering the level of celebrity they are knowing that you're going to have a huge turnout. I will stand by that.

Yeah, I think by the time we got there, it felt like more organized. They were coming around with like we're standing in line, they came around like, like someone working there came around with like glasses of water and stuff. And they had a whole system of like putting you at a table, you go to a table, and then you order your food. It was like, it was sort of like a fast casual experience. But also you had a table that you were like put at. So it went pretty smoothly on our end. I think that like, definitely sounds like it was a first first few days, opening chaos moment, maybe they should have gone for more of a soft opening or something like that. I probably would have been a crazy person had I waited in line for four

hours for the sandwich I never got. I'm not gonna lie. But I am happy to report it is our experience was fairly pretty fairly smooth. Really, all you need from me to get a good review is bread, and they had it. So I was like, this place me to get a good review is bread. And they had it. So I was like, this place is amazing. They have so much bread. Oh, Jesus.

I am now, like these days, I'm trying to be better about my Yelp reviews because Ron and I just did a bonus episode a few weeks ago, like going through our old Yelp reviews. And like, the things I would say about certain businesses is like mortifying. I'm realizing now that like having a podcast, I really can't just like shoot from the hip

when it comes to Yelp anymore. Like I just look like, I look like the worst person whenever I review restaurants now, badly I should say. You're so sweet. I can't even imagine. And you guys are so tongue in cheek. I can't imagine. I mean, Ronnie maybe, you know,

but I mean, I can't imagine I mean Ronnie maybe you know but I mean I can't imagine you two giving like a bad review. Now these are at least eloquent minor like this sucks. Like my Amazon reviews like one star I hate you you smell you know, minor like completely immature. His are like you know a soliloquy on how much you suck and why you suck. Well someone says it's not someone says it's not their fault they ran out of food.

Leave the line if it isn't moving. And someone says, who goes to a restaurant on opening day? You're getting me fired up. This is a lot of- I'm not gonna argue with your fans. I would have left the line, but they didn't come out. If they had come out and said at two o'clock,

look, we're sorry, this was a huge success. We are only down to the PB and J you are not going to get in you're not going to get seen. I would have left nobody communicated with that until like 358 when the girl came out and said, Yeah, there you can hang out for a photo but there's no food left. It's like, ma'am, that would have been helpful. Two hours ago, we're sweating. And we're starving. Yeah, they should they should have told you that they ran out

of. All right. Well, that's old. That's old. Anyway, they should they should have told you that they ran out of. All right. Well, that's old. That's old. Anyway, I just wanted to hear kind of what the controversy was because I didn't know but a terrible apology and you can put me on the list. No, listen, I forgive you. I mean, I wasn't really I forgive you. And listen, as someone who it's our right as Americans to

leave bad reviews. I mean, it's also people's rights to say, fuck you. I hated your review, I guess. But you know, I forgive you and I forgive Joel too, because everybody deserves a drunken day where they're just like fuck all of you people. I hate you. I hate working with you. And I think there's a part of all of us that at least felt like, God, I've wanted to do. I mean, I have done it.

I'm sure you can imagine. But I'm sure all of us are like, God, I wish I did that today. You know, what a fun jaunt that was. When you were there, and I know we're moving on, but when you were there, was there a photo of me in the back kitchen with a red exit? Because I do actually want to try to see it, but I'm scared. We had to sign. We had to take an oath that if we ever spoke, spoke to you, we would never come back to have something. They don't use the they don't use the term 86 when they're out of something they just say, Hey guys, we're Frazier the tomato

sandwich. Photo back there and and Scott and up there. Camera being on the spectrum. So this was from a couple weeks ago already, but God, this lady is so crazy. She's getting really hammered on Orange County for just being a dick, which honestly, I don't know why she's so surprised. She's a dick. She's always been a dick. That's the reason she's on the show is that she's a dick Benedict. Now suddenly the public backlash is

bothering her. But she came out and she did the whole. Daddy, I have a story to tell you. I went to therapy one time this week and I found out I'm on the spectrum. Oh. You do not get diagnosed in 15 minutes about being on the spectrum. Well, needless to say, the internet went crazy

against Tamra and she immediately, of course, started crying and she's like, sorry, I guess I should have thought about it a little bit more, guys. And she's still out there apologizing. What say you? This is the apology crappy hour. Grading apologies.

Let's judge apology. On a scale of one to Joel Kim booster, how is Tamra's apology? We've forgiven two people so far. I know. Third apology. Who shouldn't we forgive? Are you going to slam the door behind you on the apology

express? I didn't realize I was going with the theme. Sarah, what say you? Do you accept the apology? Do you not accept the apology? Man, she's so hard to like this season. I mean, so hard, right? It's just, in that Jennifer Pedantri scene

with doing the background check and swearing on her kids' lives. Look, you know what? Actually, this made me proud of the internet because I thought collectively people came together and all said, of course, we all take someone's diagnosis of being on the spectrum seriously. But in this case, it's Tamara and nobody believed it. I actually thought it was a moment where everybody united. Like this woman is using this as an excuse

to potentially save her job. And, you know, yeah, I mean, come on, guys, she's a smart woman. Why would you ever say that fresh out of a therapy session? I mean, that's like a huge diagnosis. That's not like something. Yeah, I mean, I don't really have anything redeeming to say now. I mean, we're about forgiving tonight. So I, you know, I'm sure next season, maybe she'll come back, but it's very hard to like Tamara right now. back. But it's very hard to like Tamara right now. Yes, it really truly is. What's a missing? She's swinging and missing. I don't believe the diagnosis. And I agree. Like those are serious diagnoses. And normally, I'm I really wouldn't, you know, question someone like about something like this. That's, you know, you know, of this

magnitude that pertains like their mental health or I don't know if it qualifies as mental health or not, but either way, but because it's Tamara, there is definitely a like, that true cried wolf element that's going on. And so I just am like, just the timing is just too suspect for me to not be skeptical of it.

I think we might be getting sick as a country of hearing people use this victim shit to get out of bad behavior. And it's been a trend that's been going on for a while now. And I think the trend might be coming to an end where it's like, okay, well, I'm sorry you're on the spectrum. You still can't be like that. Sorry, I think that there might be a stopper coming

where we're just like, okay, the victim shit has gone too far, stop it. You don't get to just make up a, the lying victim too, let me specify. But just using that shit as an excuse, I think is not flying anymore. So I like it. I don't forgive her, but you know what?

I never really do. That's how I roll. I'm still mad about naked wasted, so. Yeah, she's really having a terrible season. She's really having like a hilariously terrible season. Everything with Jen this past week was really exceptional. Like Jen really handled her. And I can't wait to see how next week turns out.

But Tamara just basically lies and says, oh no, I never did a background check. And then she does. And then I saw that there was a clip that I actually meant to go back and watch it when I never did a background check and then she does and then I saw that there's a clip that I actually meant to go back and watch it when I saw the headline but basically it was like an extended view of that scene maybe to come up on next week where Jen goes up to Heather Dubrow and it's like look you get you were livid when someone suggested that your paparazzi photo was staged and now you're like chill when Tamara is like doing background checks on people

like what what's going on with that which i think was actually a really good point by Jen to go after Heather um on that front because you know Heather has taken this whole thing like that's inappropriate you know to to for Katie to go digging up stuff about the paparazzi stuff so Heather's indignation should surface here as well. I think Tamara really was banking on all of us turning on Shannon that all of us would be like, you know, hold her feet to the fire with that DUI. And, you know, she absolutely took the money from Johnny J. And I really, it's just totally backfired. It's backfired. And unfortunately it's, you know, it spills over into her interviews and her podcast.

It just, yeah, there's nothing really redeemable yet. Yeah, but she's trying. She's out there tap dancing. That's for sure. So, you know, good for her. I'd love to see, I'd love to see it. And I shuffle off to Buffalo. Good luck, girl.

I don't think it's working, but good luck to you. All right. Huge news and Bravo this week. Huge. And I't think it's working, but good luck to you. All right, huge news and bravo this week, huge. And I know that everybody's super upset. I know we've already gone from Karen's police trauma to three apologies, but it's about to get darker. Raquel is leaving Hollywood, guys. She's shutting down.

Actually, she's not shutting down her podcast. I think she's getting, I guess she's getting fired if she's leaving it. But she is leaving LA to focus on her new life dating a brain surgeon lol. I literally died when I read that. Wow, really? Is he operating on you? Is he giving you some free work? You might want to ask him to help out a little bit while you got him. I think technically it's actually a rocket scientist.

Oh, which is even funnier. Get the rocket. Where it's like, we know if it's a, you know when you say it doesn't take a rocket scientist to date Raquel, apparently it does. My bad, sorry Raquel. But that would be funny if she was like, could you help fix my brain?

You're a rocket scientist. But that would be funny if she was like, could you help fix my brain? You're a rocket scientist. It is the most poetic twists. I have a million thoughts on this. First of all, what do we think really happened? Do we think the podcast was like not successful? Do we think she really just didn't want to do it? Okay.

So we think there's the bottom line, right? Because to your point, Ronnie, she's getting somebody else is going to go rogue. So we're just gonna post up a new podcast artwork, like with someone, I don't know, whoever else goes rogue. Tamar goes rogue. Tamar goes rogue. I think it'll be someone like Jo or Charlie. I saw people speculating Charlie or someone else who was just kind of burned on the show and then left. Well, I don't know that Raquel was really burned. I'm not gonna say she was burned, but you know what I mean. That feels like a victim and that was just kind of

a flash in the pan type of thing. I have to imagine either like there was creative differences, it really wasn't going that well. And I mean, I think we all kind of thought like, unless she's gonna lean in to talking about Vanderpump rules, what else does she, I don't know. I don't think people are gonna come to her for mental health updates,

or anything. I think the thing is that like the moment is over. I mean, or anything, sorry, maybe like how to like model with a surfboard. But like, she is you know, scandal ball was the craziest thing. But we're now like 18 months away from it. The world has changed. We have other pressing things on our mind. There have been a billion other podcasts that have come out. And like, no, like her podcast was not one that anyone wanted in the first place. It's literally like she had like the XFL of podcasts. And so I think people

tuned in, like they were curious, they wanted to know what was going on. I'm sorry, I don't I watched the Vince McMahon documentary over the weekend. And I'm like people tuned in like they were curious. They wanted to know what was going on. I'm sorry. I watched the Vince McMahon documentary over the weekend. And obviously I'm like, every reference is gonna be like, she's like the ultimate warrior of waitresses. But I think that like, there was no way that was gonna sustain like any sort of longevity.

Like she's not interesting enough on her own. And it's just like, yeah, it's time, it's time for her. And her content was basically like, Oh wow, Katie posted something and she mentioned that she didn't like beige. And I remember one time I was hanging with my bestie Katie back when we were really close and Katie did like beige. I think Katie's a liar and I have a therapist here to talk us through that. It's like, oh my God, go outside.

Like how long are you gonna hold onto this? You've got nothing, okay? You've got nothing, go away. And she is, and good for her. I mean, I guess with a rocket scientist, she'll get out of here very quickly, okay? Cause they don't move slowly rocket scientists spout up in the air.

You see their big neon clouds here in Los Angeles all the time. They are active in their own things that they built. So, but meanwhile, Tom Sandoval has a, like his girlfriend, that situation is, is heating up. And apparently I guess the talk is that they're going to be moving in together. Sandoval and Victoria Lee Robinson. Did you hear about this? Do you care? Do you know about anything? What do you think Sarah about

Santa ball and his new girlfriend? Well, they've been together almost a year, right? Which is in Sandoval years. That's like, I mean, a decade, right? I mean, although he was with Ariana for nine, but you know, how faithful he was, who knows? So look, I mean, I guess, right? I mean, although he was with Arianna for nine, but how faithful he was, who knows? So look, I mean, I guess they're happy. He claims that she's helping him through a lot of things and that she's been this real stability for him. So I mean, good for her.

I'm sure. Sure, that's, sure she's bringing real stability over there. She looks real stable. I've only seen her in pictures. I've never heard her speak. I know nothing about her except what I've seen in pictures. She looks very heroin chic.

And then Billy Lee from Seasons Past has her own shit talking show. And she warmed her way back onto the show to be Tom's friend when nobody else would be his friend. And then they had a big breakup because he like cut her off or something. And she was like, yeah, all he does, all he does is like do drugs with his girlfriend. And then they fight and it's just so horrible. They just have screaming and yelling matches

and they're really violent. You know, I don't think physically but she was just saying it's like a horror show over there. That they're basically just these huge drug addicts who fight, you know, tooth and nail all the time. And so I was like, Okay, well, I like her, you know, sign her on. I say, so,

do you like she's, she's really helping with like stability. Like she like, she holds up the Philippines lights when I'm like trying to prop them up. Like that stability is like so invaluable. What is he moving into? The house that he had with Ariana? Like is it? Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, he's there with Schwartz. Schwartz is moving in there. I guess they're both playing paying 10 grand each a month for wasn't that what they said on the show that their mortgage was going to be like 20 grand or something like that. I don't know. I mean,

we don't even know what's going on with the show. Like, I mean, I have to assume it's coming back despite everything, even though it felt like the end. It's just too, it's too popular for Bravo just to end it. So I think Bravo is going to like revamp it and whatever. But, but like, at the same time, it's been a while since it's been on the air. So I don't know what money they're all making right now. And don't you think Tom is headed to the valley? Tom and Victoria are going to help? I hope not. I don't. It's like the valley carved out its own like niche for itself very successfully, more successfully than any of us expected. And it was actually so good that I don't want other people coming in and bringing in their years of

reality TV experience. We are I mean, we already have Jackson Kristen on there, which is great. But like I don't want other people coming in and bringing in their years of reality TV experience. We are I mean, we already have Jackson christen on there, which is great. But like we don't need Vanderpump rules come in because then we're just watching Vanderpump rules like the valley has its own thing. And it's and we have lots of new people who have yet to fall into all the traps that await them as reality stars. And like, I don't want that ruined by like old standbys coming in.

Yeah, agreed. I don't think they're needed, but I guess they feel like they have to put them somewhere, which is so weird. You don't have to put them anywhere. Put them on the back burner, you know, to make them hungry and desperate again. And then they'll start, you know, acting like they need the show again instead of the other way around. But the other two on that show, Katie and Schwartz are doing, you know, I still think these two are in love. I don't care. Nobody's going to ever talk me out of it. I totally see a vibe there.

And this is proof that they've, they're at least thinking about each other because they're releasing PR statements at the same time about dating other people. Katie has a new boyfriend, and then another news story pops up the next day. Tom Schwartz has a new girlfriend. I'm like, oh, you two, stop wasting everybody's time

and just go back to ruining each other's lives, like any other miserable couple, you know? Yeah. What do you think, do you think, do you think Sarah that these two are trying to communicate with each other via other relationships in this way? That's such a great take. You know, I going to say, I feel like they're really done. I just, I, they just are so, they just don't mix. Like she, she just seems like he's so immature

for her and if he shorts, it's just like out to lunch. Uh, I don't know. I, I feel like they have quit each other and they have moved on. She seems like really smitten with this new rocker, although, you know, people have read flags about him because he's not fully divorced yet. Oh God. Oh yeah, that was like a post story. But she seems like, I thought when she announced it, she was pretty happy.

And I think people are ready, don't you? I don't know, I don't think she's ready. She looks happy. I guess when I say that they're still hung up on each other, I don't know that they'll necessarily ever get back together, but I think that they'll always have that flame burning for each other. You know, look, I've had my opinions change over the years

back and forth with Katie, mostly a not like way, but you know, they've gone back and forth. But I have to say, Katie's love language is kind of disdain. It's like a word from earlier in this episode. It's disdain and it's like annoyance with the person she's with. That's her love language. She needs to kind of not like whatever's going on around her.

And I get it, I'm similar. But I think that that's kind of her attraction to Schwartz is that she doesn't like him, if that makes any sense. But then she can like him. And so I don't know, I don't know who this guy is. It's a new boyfriend is sleeping with sirens musician, Nick Martin. They met through mutual friends in the music industry.

So page six can confirm that guys. And they bonded over music, you know, which is great. And he also runs a coffee company named Charlie Royal. So I don't know, looks cute. His pants are very tight. But I think that's just 2024, eh? Yeah. One thing I would like to talk about

before we send you on your way, Sarah, this is nothing to do with the Vanderpump rules, but it's a story that caught my attention over the past week, and I don't feel like anyone's really talking about it. But I saw that Bravo elected to not renew Project Runway. And as a result, Project Runway is headed to freeform TV. And I want to know how both of you guys feel about this. Do

you feel like Bravo had an obligation? Not an obligation. But like, would we have liked Bravo to have picked it up again? Like, do we think this is like, do we think, do we think Freeform TV is the right place for it? Like, what do you guys think about the future Project Runway? Yes, that's the perfect place. Cause I didn't even know it was still on Bravo. So yeah, I think that's great.

I mean, did you, I mean, I'm sure you- Yeah, it's been gone for a while. It's been gone for like almost two years, I think. Did anyone know that that was not, that it was even still on? No, it's ready, it's ready for it's next. Yeah, I don't think it was two years, was it? I don't think we covered the last season,

but it was last year. Well, either way, at least 18 months or so. I don't know, I wonder if Freeform is like an audition ground, because Jeff was on Freeform, Jeff Lewis did his Hollywood House thing on Freeform and they didn't pick the... I thought the network died. Wait, he was on... I think that was Freebie. Freebie. It's another Free thing in the title. Okay, nevermind. This is a whole other network

with Free in it? Freeform is like Disney. Isn't this the Christian one? No, no. Freeform is what Cronish is on. It used to be like the ABC Family Network. It's where Pretty Little Liars was on. Oh, pretty little liars. It's like this network that kind of has never quite been able to nail down its identity. And I just feel like it's such a it was like weird when it went to lifetime. And they came back to Bravo and I was like, Oh, it's back. Yay. But now to see it go off to freeform. I feel very sad about this. I feel like this is

this is not the way we we kill off our legacy shows. What are the end of an era? Truly? I think so. Didn't even know it was still on in any form in Bravo. Well, that's probably why Bravo did not renew it. So anyway, on that note, Sarah, thank you so much for coming over and like gabbing with us about all this stuff and filling us in about your something about her drama and your Jim Bolino hot takes or or inside scoop. It's really a pleasure having you on here. Truly, it's an honor. I love you guys, Ben, you're gonna be on my show coming up, Ronnie,

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