Watch What Crappens - #2614 RHOC S18E18 Part One: Lawyer & Disorder

Episode Date: November 8, 2024

Part 1 of the The Real Housewives of Orange County reunion has us fired up.  Tamra gies a begrudging apology to Shannon; Emily and Heather savage Katie; and Jenn attempts to defend Ryan.  It’s a wild ride. Watch this recap as a video and get our Secret Lives of Mormon Wives bonus at Patreon.com/watchwhatcrappenSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I'm Ben Mandelker. Joining me today, Ronnie Karam. Hi Ronnie, how are you? Oh, hi. Ronnie currently is, we're both on Craps on Demand, which means that you can see us on video. You can see me in front of my virtual background. This is not my office, although I kind of wish it were.

And Ronnie has some living art behind him, which is, appears to be a silhouette, a silhouette of a person moving around behind your head. I'm just kind of sexually harassing him as this goes along and pinching his little butt back there. So if you see me this kind of reach behind my head to pinch your butt because you guys little butts behind me. What a what a show. Also, I was like, please, I'm working right now. You can't work up here. And it's like, Oh, I'm gonna be very quiet. I'm not

doing any machinery. So listen, that's him being quiet. It's quiet. I'm not doing any machinery. So listen, that's him being quiet. It's now sitting like, who is like, it reminds me of like the early 2000s, how crunch gym had like all the showers at crunch gym were like frosted glass. And you could see people showering while you worked out and the cardio spru. Yes, that's when I used to go there. I used to love it. It was like a Skinamax movie that design of the bathroom. Yeah, that was like, well, I wasn't even a member there. But just like such a famous

thing that everyone would talk about that. Oh, yeah, he's bending over now. Oh, Ronnie, Ronnie inappropriate, inappropriate. It's actually harassing your hired worker right now. It's okay when it's simulated, right? It's okay when it's just a shadow. Very respectful in real life. Yeah. Um, so I'll tell you where we will not be very respectful. It's probably going to be right here on this podcast in a few minutes.

Oh no, I'm ready to pop. Yeah. You know what? It's been a long, dramatic week in the world and I woke up today and I am ready to burst and I'm afraid it's going to come out violently today on this podcast in this recap of the Orange County reunion. Which was, it had me seeing red. Okay. I vote blue but I see red. Okay. And that was this reunion. Wow. Wow. You know Orange County, they always know how to make our blood pressure just rise for a reunion.

Am I right? You're right. You know, this Heather and Emily, what monsters, what horrible human beings, and we've always known it. You know, Emily, you add nothing but giving other people shit. Do something in your own life.

Go cry about your fucking mother somewhere else. Like I'm so over you. Cause now we have to sit through a segment of Emily crying about, you know, being a size 12 and her mom. You know, the next part of it is that. You know, after she's an absolute fucking monster in this episode, fuck you, lady, you know? And fix your face. You did it wrong this time.

And Heather, with your fucking constant frown, you deserve the face that you have, ma'am. That constant, sad, disgusting frown with your wires hanging all out. That's what you deserve, okay? You did that to yourself. You're a horrible human being, Heather. Horrible human being. And so, you're a fucking monster. You live off your fucking in-laws. How dare you come sit here and judge someone else the whole time? And when you keep saying, oh, I'm a lawyer, you're a copyright attorney, get the fuck out of here. Okay. I thought she was a family attorney. Either way.

She does copyright and family law, but she's not a criminal lawyer. And, and also saying, oh, the police wouldn't lie. The police are lying. Yeah, that was really you work at the Innocence Project. You basing your whole storyline on the fact that innocent that police lie. Get the fuck out of here, Emily. Yeah, that drove me absolutely nuts. Emily was was hot to go on so many things. I'm like, why are you so hot on this right now? And then Heather was so, so evil.

I mean, I was amused, like, you know, me, I am there. You know, there are aspects of Heather that really amused me because it's so it's she's so evil that I just like laugh. Like when she goes, I'm speaking, I am still speaking. It's still my turn. Still speaking. It is me. I'm like, it's so obnoxious that I laughed. I'm just like, Oh my God, she's so heavy. But like, I really felt like the whole thing when it came time for Katie telling her story, and then Heather is basically like,

No, this man said you followed him to his house. And like, she's like, Heather's like blindly taking the side of the cops and this guy who did this versus the versus, you know, Katie, and I just think that it was it felt actually quite problematic to me. I did not like that whatsoever. And I was like, wow, this is just a real dick moment from that side of that entire side of the reunion was half of half of the set. Really? I can't believe Tamara was the perform the best out of the three of those people. How did Tamara have a better reunion than

everyone else sitting next to her? Tamara came in manic depressive mode because she has been getting slammed so hard this whole season. I mean, she was so depressed. She did that facelift thing. She can't move. I mean, this is the thing. And when I say, by the way, fix your face, Emily, I mean, Emily's a gorgeous woman, but the plastic surgery has gone so overboard, she can't even move. So she looks so nasty when she's being so nasty. And then you've got Tamara who's all Chanu was the only thing that moved the entire and she was at anyone and called him a C word today, you know,

like we came into this reunion exactly the same me and Tamara, and Tamara didn't do it. She didn't scream and it's like, okay, but you're also boring now. So like you're No, no, no. Deborah is a professional villain. And one of her greatest skills is she knows how to she knows how to calibrate. And she's had just a flat out wretched season. And so when she has a season when she has like a real big Tamra villain season, because we know that they come every few years, we're in the middle of one, she always comes back and try like, I'm sorry, I just I was hurt. I just was like the reason why I was hurt is because I was hurt. I like that's how I just tried to say what I said. I didn't say the delivery wasn't good. But I was hurt. That's

it. And like, yeah, so she's like, she's just doing her classic Tamra pivot. Her face is completely frozen at this point. I mean, it really was like going to the Hall of Presidents and just like, watching her, you know, tell us about like the Pledge of Allegiance. Well, in the Hall of Presidents, too, it's like they froze them too late. It's like too late, you know, it's like when people in vampire shows become a vampire too late, you know,

they're like, why couldn't you make me a vampire when I used to work out and I was 20? No, I look like Jeremy Irons. Seven years ago, you were still a bitch bitch and an alcoholic. How did you get me in Abraham Lincoln mode, god damn it. Four hearts and 27 scores of horse gall, bitch. Mr. Gorbachev. Tear down that alcoholic, bitch.

I'm gonna sign the declaration of your husband's a fucking loser and a criminal, bitch. The only thing we have to fear is shining behind the wheel, bitch. Alright, well let's get into it, cause you know, there's our base. There's where we're starting from today. Oh, someone was asking is just a quick custodial question. Someone was asking why? Love custodians. Hey custodians out there. It's crap. It's custodial time. Just a quick what do you call like office keeping housekeeping housekeeping? Yeah, I don't

know what I'm saying housekeeping. Housekeeping is actually totally no don't say made a quick made housekeeping. Yeah, I don't know what I'm saying. Housekeeping. Studio is actually totally- No, don't say made. A quick made thing. Oh, you're going to hell. Okay, quick housekeeping note. Crappens, we are posting episodes a little bit later these days. There's a couple of reasons.

One is we have a brilliant team of note takers who is working with us now. You guys are doing such a great job for us. Today is Nadine. Nadine, we love you. You did such a good job. They get their stuff in on time all the time, really. So it's not their fault. It's just that they don't have access to Bravo screeners because that's illegal. That is illegal for

us to do and we're not Jen Adens. So we don't give them to them. So they're a little bit later. And also we work with an editor and sound producer these days named Christina. If you guys didn't know Christina. Hi, Christina. We love Christina. She does a great job. And Christina actually sits and listens to the shows after we turn them in.

So we record at 10 a.m. in the morning, every morning. So we're not done that late. It just takes, you know, it takes a long process now because it's not just us two monkeys pressing buttons. There are other monkeys here. Yeah, we're just trying to make it a better show and also a smoother experience for everyone involved. So we thank you for your patience for waiting a few hours. But that's more time to just get your rage going, right? That's time to really let it get brewing.

Yeah, because a couple of the guesses were, well, maybe it's Ronnie's house being under construction or something. Nope. We literally will record, as you see, somebody is grinding on a window behind me. We don't care. We are not that... Sexually. Okay.

Yeah. I mean, he's probably wondering why he's getting a boner the way that I keep pinching him while he's back there, you know, with my shadow pinching him or whatever. So anyway, I just wanted to let people know that's what's going on. And thank you to our team because I was about to say it. Thanks. We have a we really have a great team that we've built over we used to do this show just the two of us. Only the two of us up until last October or so and that's when

Christina came on board. We also have Caitlin doing our social we have Colleen who's like sort of Wrangles all of our note takers together. So really appreciate everyone who's helping, who helps us out. Thank you for not being like Tamara, having family. Yeah, thank you guys. Thank you for being the Jen Pedrantis of this show. Who would have thought that we were gonna have

like a little moment of like staff appreciation. Well, you know, we know, well, we don't really go into that stuff a lot on this show, but just so everyone knows what's going on. A lot of changes. Okay, so here we go. Real Housewives of Orange County Season 18 reunion part one tonight, the three part reunion of the Real Housewives of Orange County. I have children. I'm a father. So they all step out of their SCVs,

they're all showing up. And it's like one of these things where there's like previews, but we're also seeing them get into glam and everything. And we see lots of stuff and everything. So now, okay, we now sit down and Andy's like, and by the way, the Orange County set has become my favorite set.

I loved last season. I love this season where they just have the entire background is like one big projection of the ocean and it's like a video projection. It's just so good. And when you look at like whatever strange like Monsters Inc. Disney ride they do for Salt Lake City. I like it's just such a step up for Orange County. Orange County. You know, I hate to start this disagreeing right off the bat. I don't like it. It's very Star Wars for me because that's how they shoot all the new Star Wars things. They just shoot them all on a big screen.

It's just weird. I don't like it. I mean, you've already got Tamra and Emily's faces at this point. We've got enough Star Wars bar going on. I don't need the whole set. You know what I was going to say? As long as as long as Tamra's face is as glossy as a stormtrooper helmet You might as well just make it all the way Star Wars By the way, I know it's so problematic to make fun of faces. It's just it's just the crafting of it

You know, I mean, it's not is ugly or anything like that. It's just I'm just saying it's like we're talking like hobby level Critic hobby lobby criticisms at this point. It's just like do better crafting, you know? So Andy is like, welcome back. I'm Andy Cohen. We're high atop the hills of Orange County, or at least pretending we are, and congratulations are in order. Kelly Dodd is leaning over the balcony, throwing water balloons

at people and calling them immigrants. So that's been fun. Your season marked the hundredth season of the Real Housewives franchise. So, Mossel, Shannon, what are you? I'm sorry, I'm just, I think that's John Jansen's son out there on the beach. Hi, hi.

Shannon, it's actually a projection. Oh, well, that explains why he's not responding to me, not that he ever did when I was in a healthy relationship with John. So, Tamara, last time I saw you, you looked like a crumpled up paper bag that had been covered in wax and then thrown in a fire again on Instagram. She's like, yeah, yeah, I'm going to have a little dip right now. Can we get an interpreter? And then we cut, for some reason, this was some really strange NBC universal synergy. Then we just started watching ET and I was like, why are they showing clips of ET right now?

I'm like, girl, the bike bike baskets are dangerous too. E Tamra phone Eddie. I found Eddie. She's like, ah. He said, well, what happened to you, Tamara? And are you happy with the results? As if he's not one of the people propping up impossible beauty standards to uphold on his network. He's like, what?

What are you doing over there? So she's like, well, I had the CO2 laser. I had a blue pill. I had a brow lift. I had a blue job. I had my elbows redone. I had a blue pill, I had a brow lift, I had a blue job, I had my elbows redone, I had my weakness moved up to my neck, I had my water moved to the back of my neck, and I had toenail transplants into my eyelashes, which is why your my eyelashes kind of clink every time I open the closet.

And then when all that was done, I just got trapped in a burning building. So turns out it's not a good idea to try to recreate backdraft. And he's like, girl, and she's like, whatever, it was just a week of healing or whatever. Yeah, but the healing may have been a week. The internet is forever. You know what I mean? I know. You're going to be Googling yourself in 20 years and that's what you're going to see. I hope it was worth the 20% off or whatever you got. I was shocked when she did this because we went on to 2Ts in a pod like five days later, and we just kept on leading up to our recording session. We just kept seeing all these videos

of Tamara looking like she literally just came out of a blazing inferno. And I'm like, how is she gonna record with us? And then like we got on zoom. And she just looked like regular old time. I was like, what witchcraft is happening over there? And we asked her flat out, I was like, how are you looking like this? She's like, I've got staples up here and I've got this bulletin.

Jesus, there is little literal puppetry happening over there. And you got, you know, I had a see the substance, but I feel like I'm watching it right with her. The substance. Um, I like when, you know, people are like, Andy, I noticed you don't get Botox. Which, by the way, is so rude to say to somebody.

Seriously, like, who says that? But, uh, they constantly ask him, like, how are the housewives, you know, he's like, oh, I don't believe in that. I don't get Botox. I don't get the privilege. You know what I mean? Yep. And saying that when you're the head of like, all the real housewives, speaking of God,

I really need to get in there. My face is moving so much, it's depressing. I feel like I'm crying. I have a line right here that I've had forever, but I'm just sort of like, I think I've decided it's my line. It's my line. I watch this show and I'm like, why think I've decided it's my line. It's my watch this show. And I'm like, why is my face moving? I'm a chamber can't move the bottom of her chin. I'm she can only move her chin. I want to be

that I'm like, I may make fun of it. But I want it. I want it. I want it. Samra has like, her face is so frozen right now. And I'm saying this because I know it will start to move again. But this is just what happens. Yeah, it is literally. But it is literally like senior Wences. Like, you know, when you do like a hand puppet, it's like the only thing that moves is the thumb. And like, that's literally what she looks like,

a little fist puppet. So much of it is timing because it really does take time to get your face moving again. So like, Emily's gonna look gorgeous once she's done, you know, she'll be back, because she is gorgeous. She'll be back looking gorgeous. It just takes time. You guys have to time these things. You don't do it right before the reunion. You're not new. Like, why are you...

Do what Shannon does. Shannon does it immediately after the reunion is filmed. Shannon goes into a crypt. I don't know what the fuck. No, Shannon had something happening also. Let's not let her like there were some there were some fillers that got like filled into those cheeks for this because she was she was looking like a pinata or something in the face i mean it was like i mean she looks great i'm just saying everything was like i was like i felt like if you just like touched her face like chitzy rolls

would come out it was just there was a lot going on in there. But you know, they all do it, they all do it for ahead of the reunion. But I think that every time this happens, where I was like, don't do it just before the reunion. But I think the timing is like, it's not great for the reunion. But then it settles in by the time the next season starts to film. And that's you want wanna make sure everything's good to go before filming, unless you're Vicky Gunn-Bolson, in which case you do it like two days before. Yeah, exactly. Or while it's going on, you know. Are you busy?

Kitty filler, be quiet, get a job, seriously. So then she goes over what she's got done, and then we move on to Emily, and he's like, you're still working out seven days a week. And she's like, um, well, you know what? I listened to a little, I'm not obsessed Andy. Okay.

I'm not going to calm down. And so then the big question is Shane in the gym too. And Shane is in a gym once a week because Emily hired a personal trainer. I'm assuming Perry's paying for it, that Shane is using to go to the gym. And then we see Shane running on a treadmill. You know, that once a week is gonna make a huge difference. Good for you.

So then, um, uh, uh, Andy's like, all right, Heather, what's happening? Construction was on the new home. She's like, oh, my God, it's a was on the new home. She's Oh my God. It's a disaster like Wendy Malick's career after 1997. So Andy's like, he's like, Really? Oh, yeah, you know, we're we're like, you know, you know, how we talk about our construction things, how it's like, twice the time, twice the budget, you know, sort of like also how they talked about how they renovated Tamra's face. Well, we're sort of in that land. Do you ever plan on having anything else going on in your life? I don't. I don't. Spending money. So then we go to Gina. Speaking of real estate, Gina,

you're based on any bus bus benches. I mean, we all know you're on a lot of buses. You're based on any bus bus benches? I mean, we all know you're on a lot of buses. Thanks, Andy. It's actually been wonderful. It's been so wonderful that I almost feel bad, but like I have to say, like we're really getting some traction. I just closed on a house last week.

It's basically, it's an outhouse. It's literally just like a porta potty, but I sold it and I have another deal closing on Monday. Great. No one cares. Katie, welcome to your first reunion. You're about to get eaten like a lunch, like a delicious meat lunch for non-OC cast members

anyway. And she's like, hi. Yeah, can something offer you any advice? No, we didn't talk in a couple of weeks. So no, I'm just last thing I saw from her was her just saying good luck, you're going to get destroyed. So we'll see what happens. You're about to die.

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And she's like, Oh, wow. Thank you. Thank you so much. That's amazing. Thank you, Andy. I am getting engaged. Thank you. It's so good to be here. Really is. And finally, hello, Shannon Storms-Bador! Hello, Andy. How are you? I'm good. Well, you're looking happy and healthy today. Thank you. I'm feeling very happy considering that my life has been turned upside down by Johnny

Jay. No, I'm okay. I just want to say I've been therap therapy and I'm ready to come into this reunion. Not an upset, Tamara Judge it all. How dare you? We're going to have a great time. I'm really excited to be. Like Tamara, I mean,

Shannon is just ready to start yelling and screaming. Yes. And, and she's so the thing that's funny is that like, so like I said, her face is popped up, which is, you know, it's fine. It's fillers and they go down, but there was like freshly popped said, her face is popped up, which is, you know, it's fine, it's fillers and they go down, but there was like freshly popped up, and her hair is down on her face and her dress is like up to like her clavicle. So there's something about her that's just like, like, it's just sort of like, everything is like tight around her bursting out at the same

time. And there's just like, you can tell this is a woman who just wants to scream her head off right now. She is ready to scream her damn head off for sure. So then he's like, Wow, okay. You might be dating I hear. It's like, Oh, I am. I'm dating a little. I am dating a little.

I'm being helped by my good friend, Joel Kim Booster. We are so close. We're just so close. It's been such a good couple of months, Andy. He's, you know, there's a reason why his last name is Booster because he makes you feel so good. He just boosts you right up. Yeah, I feel great.

Ever since he trashed my reputation, yet again, another man in my life trying to ruin me. I'm fine, I'm happy. I'm totally happy. I'm fine. I'm happy. I'm totally happy. I'm happy. I'm so happy. So Tamra, you mentioned going to a therapist.

She's like, yeah, yeah, mm-hmm, yeah, that's true, Andy. Well, that's interesting. So what are your goals with this therapist? Is it to ruin their life? And she's like, no, Andy, it's the part that where the anger stems from, where it's coming from, deep inside me. Here's what I know, Andy. Someone drops toothpicks and I start counting them very rapidly over and over. And then I call Tom Cruise and I say, you're my brother, where the fuck are you supposed to pick

me up in the convertible? Take me to Las Vegas, bitch. So by the way, Tamara is setting up her next season, which is Tamarind therapy, which will be hilarious. It'll be like, all right, Tamara, I want you to close your eyes. Okay. All right. Take us back. Take us back to where the pain began. He's 1987. I walked into a black buster. I thought I saw John Bon Jovi, but it was just a brew. And I got so sad. The hurt began to begin there. When I thought it was all going to be okay. I went to rip my video. I said I'll take pretty and pink please. And they said that's only available in future. I said why? Why have you been a max? I said I want I want a red movie called some kind of wonderfulness and

you're some kind of slow. I, Hey, they ran out. I like that they actually gave her a real reason. They just bashed her for no reason. She's just like a teenager trying to rent a video of Blackbuster and someone was awful. And that's like what caused Tamra to be this monster. Yeah, like actually she does have a reason. So I just can't wait till Tamra is on the't wait till Tamara's on the spectrum episode. You know her on the spectrum season, cause that sits so low even for Tamara. But for those of you who haven't heard, Tamara announced that she went to therapy one time

and then announced that she is now on the spectrum. So Andy is like... Funny because it's obviously bullshit, but God, I can't wait to see her commit to that for a season. It will be pretty hilarious. So Andy then turns to Shannon. It's like, well, how do you take what Tamar just said? She's like, well, I mean, the way I was treated by you, Tamar, this season is unacceptable. You attacked me and I really don't have an interest in being friends with you because what I am doing in my therapy is I'm creating a healthy boundary with healthy choices, Therapy is I'm creating a healthy boundary with healthy choices with some smart balance mixed in It's a delicious spread. It's butter like without being butter olive oil based

It is healthy and a boundary and a healthy boundary is not being in a toxic relationship with you Tamra toxic toxic She said our entire friendship is toxic. Is that what what she said? No, she didn't say that. I love that, Tamara, like she can't even have a slight disagreement without twisting your words against you, you know. Oh, so you're saying everything was toxic. No, she didn't say that, Tamara. Well, absolutely.

I am saying that because you said I'm saying it, so I will double down on it. Especially when you came back on the show. We never, we never got back to the point of friendship that we were before never we never did i thought we did so oh oh well so you keep on exaggerating how close and how often we spend time together because we weren't that close well let me tell you something tamra uh shannon what are you doing I'm trying to sing the song Toxic. I'm not sure if I really landed that or not, but this must be a funny moment on Shannon. Ah! By my favorite artist, Britney Schmier, so I left her on bagels.

Okay. Well, I think we are pretty close. You caught me every day, Shannon. Every single day. What she's saying, she wants to try today to take toxicity out of your relationship. So we'll see. Lot of open wounds here. Lot of open wounds, Andy. I'm just saying, lot of open wounds. And she's doing the full like stirring tube pools with, with whatever. A lot of open wounds, Andy. Um, hold on. Um, excuse me. Um, Gina, do you know, does, does Britney's Smears have a song

about open wounds as well? I don't think so. Okay, well. Open wounds. Well, here's what I would like. An open bagel. Have you ever tried to eat one of those things not open? Very difficult.

I feel me, Ollie. So... Janice Billy Choi and you means... You know what? You know why I like a bagel? Because it's like you're eating a whole slice of bread, but there's a hole in it, which represents the pain in my life. Okay. Great. Sounds like therapy is going really well. Jen, what's your intention for today? Thank you so

much. So I hope an intention that I have really is for Emily and I to set forward a better path because she's sitting in front of me, which means that we're, I guess we're having a feud. So I hope our intention, my intention is that we get through it. Well, I don't think that anything happened. So, you know, you're really, you don't think anything happened. You spent the whole season calling her poor and stupid and screaming at her, Emily, what are you talking about? And now you're about to spend the rest of the reunion doing the same thing. She's shut up Emily. So she's like, Emily, what are you talking about? And now you're about to spend the rest of the reunion doing the same thing.

She said, shut up, Emily. So she's like, no, nothing happened, but you're just reserved with me and I don't understand that. I mean, I just don't know if it's you or if it's Ryan telling you that you should not be friendly with me, maybe because I'm an attorney.

If any- Oh, Ryan. That's so rude and such a rude thing to say when somebody is trying to be nice to you and start something else to be like, oh, I guess, you know, everybody's afraid of me because I'm an attorney. Give me a fucking break. You are. What is wrong with you? What is wrong with the person? Yeah. I mean, Emily was vicious to Jen all season until she realized that like she had to be nice to Jen because there are bigger fish to fry and she needed

to gain allies. So Jen- Also, I don't believe that, no, I don't think she was lying about working for the Innocence Project, but I just think she's such a faker because normally people like Emily would be looking for the defense.

Like if I was somebody who was having trouble with the law, I would actually be looking towards Emily. Like I would wanna know Emily. So why would I be afraid that you're an attorney? You're an attorney that works with the California Innocence Project. I'd actually, my first response would be like, can we call Emily? Maybe she can help get me off of this shit, you know? But you know. I mean, I think her implication is that like Ryan's in trouble with the law. So he doesn't

want to deal with any like lawyers or a trigger point for him. It is. And that's just Emily. She's been wanting to go after uh fucking Jen this whole season and now the first second she gets something to chew on there she is a chewing. Yeah so Jen's like you know what Ryan will give me his opinion and also you know a monthly allowance but Ryan never tells me how to act not or not to react to somebody even if he did I would still do what I want to do. And I felt the same way you feel. If I felt the same way you feel that there is something going on and I was like, but

there is not. I think that, okay, all right. Well, I'm already bored by whatever feud this is that like we were sort of tracking, but not really. So let's, how about we do something else? Anyone else have anything to say besides these two dummies? It's pretty amazing that after all these seasons, Emily still doesn't know how a reunion works. Pretty good. All right. Uh, Heather, she's like, I have to walk out of, oh, no, first he starts with Katie. He's like, so Katie and Katie is like, oh, gosh, I just, uh, I want to like own a couple of things here that I did that I

regret. And I want to move forward with that. Okay, Heather. And Heather goes, I have to walk a couple of things here that I did that I regret, and I want to move forward with that. Okay, Heather." And Heather goes, I hope to walk out of here with almost everyone as friends. Yeah. Everyone that I don't hatey. All right. Well, after making headlines for her DUI arrest

just 10 days after last year's reunion, Shannon started the season under a microscope. And as she vowed to work on herself, most of the friends were rooting for the Shannon reboot, but her ex-amiga, Tamara, felt like she was watching reruns of the same old show. Okay, let's watch this friendship fall apart. And then it's just drinking.

Yeah. Just drinking stuff, you know. And it's out of the shot. It crashes into a house. Do we ever hear from the owner of that house? Did that ever happen or no? No, I don't think they did. They did do some kind of like little interview or something, but I don't think they put it

on the show. They're like, Ouch, my house. So then Shannon, you know, we just see the Shannon drinking all over here and ordering drinks and then Tamra giving her dirty looks and then Tamra calling her an alcoholic and then Tamra having lunch and talking about Shannon's drinking and then drinking, drinking, drinking. So then Tamra's, uh, Tamra's last line was, I'm not going to enable Shannon cause I'm not that type of friend. Stop fucking drinking, get out,

or else I'm done with this relationship. She says before she loses her mind because she's drunk half of the other half of the season. All right, well, I guess it's probably safe to say you two have not spoken since finale night. And Shannon's like, well, what's going to be difficult about today is that I am at a place where I don't feel

I have to keep defending myself. And that place is called Joanne Fabrics. It's a lovely place. No judgment. You can walk and walk and walk and find new things to look at. I do not use alcohol to cope. I use it to hope. Is that so bad? All right. So what is your drinking like now versus what it was before? Well, before I would just keep going. And that was before but I would just drink because it just I didn't feel good on the inside. And it would make me forget that sort of thing. Okay, and now

you drink as you don't drink as much. I still feel terrible about myself. And I still drink a lot. But now in the morning, I say no, I stopped on my own. So it's great. So Shannon is so saddened. I do not drink to cope. Why do you drink? To cope because things are really different. I just drink when I can't take it anymore. He's like, oh, okay. But much better answer, much better. Dr. Justin Marchegiani I don't self-medicate. I actually ask a doctor if I can medicate, so it's not self. And he says, go ahead. I mean, is it Dr. Martin's? Is it a pair of shoes? Perhaps, but that's okay. So, a doctor. Dr. Justin Marchegiani I don't medicate myself. Don Julio

medicates me just fine. Thank you very much. Dr. Justin Marchegiani So, uh, Andy's like, So Heather, you seem to agree with jammer. Heather, are you okay? You've got a huge frown on your face. I can smell farts for the past 20 years. Say, it's my face, Andy. No frown here. Only a smile. I mean, when we heard about the DUI, my turn to talk. I don't think it was interrupting you. My turn when we heard about what your number was. And it was so high. My turn. Like Terry was saying as a doctor, it's me. How

high was that? That was very concerning. Oh, we caught out of control. She was saying that they got out of control. So she admitted that. My turn. Someone that can be awake at that blood alcohol level is someone me, me, my turn that drinks a far. Someone that can be awake at that blood alcohol level is someone, me, me, my turn, that drinks a lot. And that's where I was coming from. Yeah, it's called the high tolerance. I don't really understand what that is.

You don't have to be a doctor to do that. I love that every chance she gets, she's like, well, you know, Terry's a doctor. Yeah, we know. We've seen his face. Okay. So Andy's like, Christine from the car that tried to kill people in the Stephen King movie said, Gina.

Wow, Christine from Christine. So close. It's an awkward one. Twitter names are crazy. Gina, why do you have sympathy for Shannon after all the crap she's done about your DIY I'm not a fan of the All right, people, keep your questions to 115 characters. So Gina's like, well, I don't think that's all she said. I think she was actually pretty transparent about what she did and her remorse for what she did. And at some point, you know, I made the same mistake. Look, I'll put it simply.

She was just so pathetic. I felt bad for her. I feel bad. Like if I can feel bad for someone, I'm going to feel bad. And that's what happened. And then I was like, I witnessed it. It was genuine. She was truly her and she was sobbing. Why are you so mad? Why is Emily yelling through this entire...

Why are you yelling? Why are you acting like you're in Inherit the Wind? Like, oh, I saw it all. Relax. I mean, even though you probably literally will inherit the wind. God damn it, I need to find a parry in my life. I don't know why that was the courtroom drama I went to. So Heather is like...

I used that matlock and I think that's the only thing like on our current nines. I was like, it's that or like, liar, liar. So Heather is saying like, sometimes it takes a thing like that for you to realize. And Gina's like, yeah, I think it's just like a horn for Tia, because she wasn't seeing that. No, I wasn't. But I see it like, you know, I saw Shannon saw your bravo con after you had a DUI and we had a holiday luncheon and that had to put together and she didn't apologize to you

then, but she did apologize to you on camera. So... Oh, you mean like you're doing right now, I'm like you're gonna be doing exactly So Gina's like yeah Well, maybe I wasn't there yet either because I wasn't even looking in her direction at that lunch, you know I was pretty pissed off. So it's not like I'm some angel. Okay Yeah, actually you actually posted a picture with Oh, yeah, you posted a picture without me in it. You may remember that you cut me out of out of your picture. I think someone

told me that you put a filter into your Canva that's an anti Shannon filter and just replaces me with a large bag of Frito Lay's. Thank you for that. How many times has David downloaded that? I'd like to know. So, Gene is like, yeah, you know, sorry. And I'm like, could I just say something? I felt like the call, constant calling her an alcoholic was so counterproductive. I mean, you don't bully someone into not drinking. Okay. You know, when you, Shannon has to determine she's a mess. And so... Listen, you don't bully someone into not drinking. You bully someone into acknowledging that they are a criminal and should go away to jail

for 15 years. That's all. Yeah. So then, um, everyone kind of agrees on that. And then we see, uh, Tamra and Gina talking over each other. And because Shannon's like, look at me, look at where I am today. Dressed like a first lady. So, I don't know. I love this, Shannon, keep saying that.

Look at where I am today, where are you? You're still near tears and erratic. Just like you are every season. I mean, it's reunion season. Where are you supposed to be today? I guess that's my question. What are we supposed to be seeing, Shannon? All right, we got another question. This is Tamara. Christine, that's another Christine. But this one is from the Paris Opera House. She says, help, I'm stuck in a river with a guy with

a mask. Okay, good luck. And then she also says, why do you feel like mocking and berating Shad and is going to make her stop drinking. Also, please save me and does anyone have a spare chandelier? She has a lot of questions. You know, looking back, I thought, God, why does my face look so different in my right? And, you know, that stuff, that was just coming from anger, you know, because I was just, I just knew that would upset her in the argument and I was just angry because she's an alcoholic, you know? The anger's me. I said, you know, Tamra, do you know what you did, Tamra?

I said, I was there every single day. You said you were there every single day after her accident and you know what? You were not, you were not, Tamra. You know what? I'm gonna plug this in. I was on the phone with you. She said, Tamra, you were in Scotland.

You left the day after my DUI. And then they put like Tamara's picture from the Traders in the middle of the screen. Like we don't really need to know the context of why she was in Scotland, but she was like, don't forget, Traders coming back January 9th. So like, wait a minute, how long did it last on that show for about two hours?

What are you talking about? And then, and then, and then I did get help. I went to a place for 30 days. And you have the audacity, the audacity, at Gina's dinner to say, lie, lie, lie. La, la, la, flashback. Hey, by the way, where is your phone call after I was murdered?

I was literally murdered. I'm a murdered person. I'm a ghost right now. You never called me and I was murdered. I was literally murdered. I'm a person. I'm a ghost right now. You never called me and I was murdered. So then can you get it someone who can't even turn the door knob anymore. I'm a ghost. I tried to go join the cast of ghost and they said,

no, we can't take it because you're too bitchy. So then it's like, well, camera, I went to I went, oh, she goes, Oh, it's because you called me drunk several times. That's why. And one time you call me drunk and you went off like a crazy woman. And then you called me 10 minutes later. And I had to have the exact same conversation with me. And she was like, I went I went to a place where they did random drug and alcohol. Yeah, but Shannon, you're kind of losing it. I don't think then

here's the thing. I mean, we love Shannon. I don't think anyone in the audience doubts all this. Shannon calls people 24 hours drunk out of her mind acting like a crazy person. It's just how you confront it, Tamara. That's wrong. I don't know. Because you know, it's all true. because Shannon's like, well, wait a minute, because it was random dress. Yeah, but that was before. She's saying when you got out of there, you were still calling everybody wasted all the

time, Shannon. Shannon, they found you wasted in the eyes of Joanne Fabric, so stop acting like you went to rehab. That was a very rehabilitating experience for me to be around all that yarn. Okay, well well shut up. She goes, Tamra, Tamra, you know what? You don't know anything about me. All right, all right, let me ask you this.

Tamra, what you're saying is, I think she's got a real problem and she needs to deal with it and she feels like she's dealt with it and she's got it under control. And at what point do you just say, Tamra, go with God? I think that was like season 11 when I got my baptism. I think that's what I did.

Number one, he goes with God. God's my friend. Stupid. No, I understand that, but we're like not close right now. So I don't know where she's at. And this is the 10th reunion that we are talking about her drinking batch. She's like, well, excuse me,

but it's not that we're talking, it's because you have brought it up every single year, Tamra. And then we see the most amazing montage. This is so funny. Flashback from multiple reunions and they just start popping up all over the screen. 2014. You tell everyone I have a drinking problem. You did drink a lot, Shannon.

2016. I didn't have too much to drink or I was slipped something. 2018. She self-medicated to tell us I'm not an alcoholic. 2019. Are you drunk? You're drunk? I am sick and tired of people trying to paint me out to be a drunk. Could you please, uh, do we have any tequila and, uh, soda? Thank you. 2020. 2020. You called me completely lit up, Sheenie. Oh, okay, Miss Holier than thou. 2023. You tend to drink and call some of us. Oh, that's a fucking dumb thing to say to me. That was being nice to her because they could have played many more. They skipped 2015, they skipped 2017, they skipped 2021 and 2022. I mean, they could have really gone to town, but I mean, I guess, you know, we only have

so much time. They ran out of space on the screen. They were trying to make a little mosaic. So Andy is like, well, my recollection last reunion was that it wasn't just Tamra who was talking about your relationship with alcohol. But because I, yes, yes, that's exactly right. And I got a DUI 10 days later because I was freaking miserable when we filmed that reunion last year.

So thanks a lot, Gina, for putting me in a dark place. Oh, wow, Gina won the reunion. Well, guess what you won? Not having a DUI again, because that was me. And he's like, Okay, well, Christine from Baranski wants to know, Shannon, you and Heather met at the beginning of the season and talked about rebuilding trust in your friendship. Where are you at now? Do you trust each other? Yeah, she totally trusts Heather, Abby. Good question. Who doesn't trust Heather? Heather, trustworthy old Heather over there. So she's like, well, I, someone slap Shannon on the back of the back, please. I have a real problem. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Although now my, my breath shelf is out of alignment, but I have a real problem with what happened at the end of the season, because when I told you the story, Heather, in Sonoma, you were like, oh, Shannon. And then we see the clip and Heather literally goes, oh, Shannon.

And then you tell me in London, oh, I already knew that story. Oh, wow. It was like, well, bravo then for the acting. You acted like you'd never heard the story before. That's what you said to me. And it's like, well, it's different having someone tell you a story third hand. And then the person that was involved in it tell you. I knew that Tamra told me that she'd seen that photo before.

I'd never seen, you know, it was very different. So you know what? No Bravo. You don't have to add that to my IMDB. I was feeling horrible for you. I just didn't discuss it with anyone until I saw Jeff Lewis when I found out you were a liar. Well, if you watch those clips on Jeff Lewis,

I was exhausted. And I had been dreaming for hours at that point. And in my head, I was saying I hadn't thought about it because Jeff is that person. He called me two weeks after my DUI and said, did you hear it? And I'm the one that said hadn't versus haven't. There, there, there's a smoking gun. I said hadn't versus haven't. And I never thought about John possibly hearing my accident until Jeff pointed it out to me. I'm like, I don't follow any of this. Shannon better never murder anybody because she's going to jail. Like she is so bad at this. All she has to say is I didn't want to talk about

it with Jeff. So I was just trying to brush it off. Okay. Yeah. What she's like trying to mince words like why I said had and not haven't. I said hadn't and not haven't. You understand the difference? Why are you talking to me? All you had to say is it's nobody's fucking business. And I didn't want to talk to Jeff Lewis's nosy ass about it. So I was waiting until my own time and my own time I chose the scene with you and you chose to fuck me over to make fun of me with Tamra. Like always do so that you're left out your bony Hagrid ass is left out of Tamra's line of fire because that's the only reason Heather is ganging up with Tamra. She's just being

that. I mean, Heather is vile to her core anyway, so she did kind of find a sister there, but I think she's doing it to keep Tamra from attacking her. You know, you know what? Let me make my point and to help me make my help you understand my point. I'm going to take my hands, make two little claws and then make understand my point. I'm going to take my hands, make two little claws and then make them kiss and then I'm going to push them towards you. Okay. When we talk and this was weeks later, I really want to point out I didn't talk to anyone about it until you went on Jeff Lewis. And to me that was like, okay, we're talking about it much like, I don't know, people want to talk about how

my neighbor is Drake. I don't know, just putting that out there. And he's like, so Shannon, and he's got that look on his face. Like, why, by the way, why did I call Heather Hagrid? I don't know what I meant by that. I love Hagrid. Come here, Harry, sit on me. I don't know why I called her that. I gave her too much credit. But anyway, Andy is like, so sadly, Shannon, do you understand what you're trying to say? And Shannon's like, well, I, I, my, well, I will say this much. I did not have fun in London. But first, it was terrible.

It turned into you're a liar. And then it turned into you're using me. And then, oh my God. And then it was like, well, I understand why you're upset with me and I apologize. If you don't trust me to tell me information for the love of God, don't tell me. Let's just rebuild that way. We'll rebuild with you not talking to me

about things or calling me ever. I think that would be a great way to rebuild. That's kind of funny. Like stop telling me shit. That's how she cloaks it in. That's how we should rebuild. Just stop calling me. She's like, okay, Tamara, what do you think, what do you think Shannon's in Denner was in wanting to bring the Travis and Gina story to the reunion last year? And then we see that whole thing. And she's like, because, because they've been fighting. Gina's like, she wants to hurt me and I will

be and Tim is like, and then there was the wiener thing and Katie on the end on her end of the couch site. Weiner. What's that? Jen's like, Oh, Travis is wiener. Oh, big penis. We're small, they said. Okay, he's like, Oh, oh, small one. So then this really bothers me because they don't point out again that Shannon did not bring this information up. Why did why do you think Shannon was digging into the business because she wanted to hurt her? She didn't bring it up. Tamara yet again is the one who brought it on camera yet a fucking again. But let's hear and talk about why why Shannon's evil for it. So Andy's like, well, were you more hurt that Shannon was going to use the information at the reunion or that Tamara brought it up?

And she's like, well, in the moment, I was more upset that Tamara brought it up. Okay. And Shannon's like, well, you know how I heard that there was a story out there. Let me guess, Tamara sent it to you. Yeah, I know. You, Tamara, told it to me. It's like, you know what, though? We send each other everything that comes up. So Tamara's like, by the way, that story came out four months before, bitch.

No, no. You said that Travis's ex-wife had reached out to you or someone. She's like, I had not reached out to her. I don't even know her name. Matilda. Her name's Matilda. And Shannon's just fixing her makeup. She's like, oh, God, someone's always reaching out to you,

Tamara, give me a break. Which is so true. Since Gretchen season, it's always been someone called Tamara late at night and had something to say. And Tamara's not digging around at all. Remember when she had one of her gays show up and pretend to be a psychic that or he was a psychic, but it was like one of her gays and to release the Brooks information about Brooks faking cancer. Yes. Do you remember? I mean, it is funny thinking back

to that season, that reunion with Gretchen, I think that was season four, where Tamara was like, this guy called me up and had all this stuff to say. And it was like this rampage at the reunion. And it was like shocking. It was like, I can't believe this. This is so scandalous. It's like, who do you believe Gretchen or Tamra? But the fact that someone called Tamra or she's so vile. And now that is so like, just basic entry level reunion discussion. I'm like, well, someone called me up and said that you're a bitch. Just like, okay, do? That give the information that somebody just gave me anything? Come on, babe. So, Andy's like, well, Tamara admitted that she came at you too hard, Shannon. Is there anything else you want to explain, Tamara? She's like, well, I think for me, he was witnessing her drinking and she was calling me intoxicated

and then going and being drunk. I was like no no no no she called you intoxicated one time after you spent the entire season calling her a drunk, Tamara. Okay, Twisty. I you know what I need you to stop doing that because I didn't I know what the truth is and if someone is going to believe your lies then I'm sorry I'm sorry that that that they. I'm sorry that they do that Sorry seems to be the hardest word Andes and it turns the camera is this the part where I think the entire screen starts splitting into all these panels And he's like Tamra. She's talking to you. Oh Yeah, Tamra say sorry these panels and he's like, uh, Tamara, she's talking to you. Oh, really? Yeah. Tamara, I'm sorry. Why don't you do it?

She's like, yeah, I mean, like she's, Gina's just like laughing cause Tamara has no idea. And Shannon's like, well, she, Tamara thinks that I owe her an apology. You know what I say to that? I'll say it again. So they're all saying, Tamara, do it. Apologize. Apologize, Tamra. She goes, okay. Well, I was struggling with the fact after that when I was with you talking with you after the DIY stupid that I knew you were still drinking.

She goes, well, that is not an I'm sorry, Tamra. Okay. Here we go. Let me try it again. I'm so sorry that you're an alcoholic. I wish there was something else I could do to help you not be a dirty alcoholic. Is that good? That is not good.

Okay. I'm so sorry. you're an alcoholic. I wish there was something else I could do to help you not be a dirty alcoholic. Is that good? That's not good. OK, I'm so sorry. Let me try again. I'm so sorry that your breath smells like the scent of cheers and that you sometimes wake up with peanuts in your hair. Sorry. So damn it, Tamara. Tamara, you know full well I do not keep peanuts under my roof. They are a biotoxin.

All right, all right, all right. I'm sorry that you are such a disappointment to everyone here in this room. Tamera, that's the worst thing, that's the worst apology of all of them. You know what? You know what? You get on a show and I felt like you were in the same spot as you were after your DUI. I was like, well, I'm sorry you felt that way because you were wrong. You were incorrect. Okay, I was wrong then. You were incorrect. Okay. Well, I didn't think that you got the help

that you needed. Well, I, you know what? I know that I got the help that I needed, except regarding my brush shelf, which is now in the wrong position. So could someone help my breast shelf? Thank you very much. Listen, I was completely shaker it up and I was stirred and I was pouring out my emotions. And, you know, it is I'm helped. Am I talking like you're my teeny Shannon? Why? God damn it, Timra. Shannon, Shannon.

OK, lawyer speaking. Sorry, Tamara. Shannon. Shannon. OK. A lawyer speaking. Sorry, Jen. Gina forgave you when you apologized and you were harsh. And you said really terrible things to her. And then we see flashbacks of her saying, call CPS. So then Emily is like, oh, please, no, no. Pause on this as well.

Because yes, she did do that. And she was like, I've saved you from your children being whatever. She did do all that. That was really shitty bringing that into it and bringing the kids and rubbing her. You know, all that was shitty. I'm not gonna take that away.

But she did that because Gina was on her neck the entire season for literally no reason. Shannon was friends with Gina and Emily and they totally turned on her the second that Heather Dubrow came in the picture, came back on the scene to get Heather Dubrow's ass. And they were total assholes to Shannon, literally for no reason.

And that's all Shannon had, so she used it. And I don't think it was right, but to just pretend that that came out of nowhere is silly. Right. So, Emily's like, well, you know, she forgave you when you apologized. Yes, yes, okay, I'm still trying to see where this is gonna go. And like, you know, I think that toxicity has gone between you two. And that's great. So I'm just saying,

maybe you can apply the same here. Oh, okay. All right. Tamara, I accept your apology. I understand that your possum brain doesn't allow you to understand more critical analysis. So I understand here, let me speak rodent to you. Tickle tickle tickle tickle tickle tickle tickle tickle. Thank you, I actually understood that. Thank you, bitch. Although possums are not rodents, they're whatever. I was, by the way, I opened the door last night. Guess what was on my stoop?

A possum. Really? And it was scampering away. Yeah, they're actually kind of cute, I heard. Yeah, they're cute. They just have a bad smile. They just, you know what they need? They need to go to Homeless Not Toothless because they have just an ugly smile, but they're

otherwise very cute. Yeah, just reformulate that smile. They need to go to Dr. Heavenly. Just fix that smile. You'll be fine. So, yeah, she's like, well, I accept your apology. I relish in your apology, but I do not want to be your friend anymore. She's, stay in love.

You guys need a break. You just need a break. Speaking of two and two, am I right, Andy? Two and two. Why are you acting like Chuck Woolery? It's my job, Andy. It's not your job. I'm television's Heather Dubrow, Andy.

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