Watch What Crappens - #2620 RHOSLC S05E09 Part Two: Get Off My Lawn!

Episode Date: November 14, 2024

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This is part two of the recap. If you missed part one, go check out your podcast feed. It's right there. And without further ado, let's get right back into the recap. So then she's like, we all know Lisa will never take accountability for the role that she played in the rumors about prism and Alibaba. So the fact that she was able to apologize to my husband is enough for me to put a button on that and be done with the Alibaba thing. I'm going to put a button.

Hello, ma'am. We found a prism button in the trash can at our hotel in Milwaukee. Did this belong to you? Oh my God, she threw away the button. Well, that was so nice. And it was nice to be sitting here in the audience for such a touching moment. Sean, maybe you should try because I appreciated the conversation that we had and I'm sorry that everything, oh, this in the flashback, we see her saying, I'm sorry, everything

that unfolded that way last year, but I did not start nor spread any of these rumors. And, you know, it was hurtful to me in all honesty, when you used my son and said that I was playing him as a pawn to deflect from something I didn't even do to begin when he's a toddler and just learned to eat mashed carrots. How dare you. Well to me it did look like you corroborated and had something to do with it if not perpetuated. Look I used corroborated and perpetuated the same sentence. I'm winning. Sean had, look, Sean has a gripe.

I think that Sean, I don't like Sean being like, I hate you, man. It like Sean's acting like a little wuss in this episode. I don't like it, but I do think that Sean has a gripe here. I mean, obviously that was so low. What they did last year. It was being like, we heard your husband was banging other men, but that was Monica who did that. Now did Mary did Meredith kind of cheer her on? Sure, so I can get why he's mad, but I don't know.

I'm still on Meredith's side, even though I think she's wrong. Well, Meredith does the whole, one of Meredith's like signature moves is that she says something big like, you wanna go to the real hospital, now we can talk about the hospital. You don't know what I've heard, I've heard heard things and then like she insinuates that she's sitting on top of

a nuclear bomb but she's not gonna set it off so then when someone else sets it off usually Whitney because she usually falls into the trap then it's somehow distinct comes back to Meredith because it seems like she maybe had this information and sent it through Whitney and then Meredith on the reunions always has say I don't know I'm just saying I've heard things. I heard he likes to go to Jamba Jus. That's it, and I don't know why I'm being persecuted, but I've got a toddler at home.

So that's what she's doing. I don't even know what my point is anymore. She's always kind of part of it. I mean, she was kind of part of it, you know, but they all were. I mean, I don't think anybody really escapes from this one. And still for the husband to be going around like on using and she, he didn't even technically say her son, like using her son, but saying like she's leveraging the LGBT community against

me to make a point. But you know, I don't know, I don't know. I don't, I do think, I think that we're all wrong in that situation, but I'm still anti Sean in this situation. Cause I don't like husbands doing interviews and complaining about the housewives, like staying away, you know. He was understandably annoyed

that there were rumors going around on the show that he was banging guys and Meredith was like, look, I have nothing to do with it. His frustration, like when he said that she was leveraging, his frustration, like, when he said that she was leveraging, you know, Brooks being gay, as part of the argument, I feel like that was a, I thought that's like not a strong point to make in the first place. It's like, I guess he's saying that

she's hiding behind the fact that her son is gay. So therefore she like, cannot she was like, I'm just saying, why would I do it? Do you blame? I think he was saying like, why would I do that? I have a gay son. And I know it was difficult when rumors are going around about your son, because that was her storyline was that people, Jen Shaw was outing her son when her son wasn't ready to come out of the closet yet. And that was really uncool. So she's saying I get the outing thing because I have

a gay son. I would never out somebody else. So I think it was kind of valid of her to say that because she does have a gay. So I think it was kind of valid of her to say that because she does. I think that was valid. Storyline. Now that I say it, I just won her case for her in my court of law. No, it is 100% valid for her to say it. And I think that maybe I think what Sean was trying to say, because I have to say sometimes the things that Sean says don't totally make sense. But I think what he was trying to say either. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, he's not great. You know, he's got a good view. He was got a good body. Just be quiet. You know? Yeah, that's like

where the emphasis in his life is. And so like, I think that like, maybe what he was saying is that she was getting out of jail for free because she was saying what I would never do this. My son is gay. And then Meredith though, at the just the mere mention of Brooks or the reference to Brooks is like, how could you mention my tablet? So then like, you know, so like Meredith is, is, I do also feel like Meredith is is is definitely what is it like, in for a penny in for a pound or whatever, like

she's like, Oh, I have a way. I'm gonna like really use this. Like, oh, how could you say this about the children have not to do it. And he's like, whoa. Cause you know what the truth is? That when Lisa, when Lisa said to Angie, like, oh, okay, fine. You're just gonna hang up and like talk to Electra again.

Talk to Electra. Considering how angry Meredith is about like, Brooks being referenced, you would think that then she might also say something to Lisa about the fact that Lisa blatantly brought Electra into the situation on her terms. The point is this, any housewife is always gonna use their kids

for an excuse to get mad at someone else. Especially this season, it's the whole season. So Meredith is basically like, Any housewife is always going to use their kids for an excuse to get mad at someone. Especially this season. It's the whole season. So Meredith is basically like, look, you know, we walked away from that conversation, but I apologized to you and I didn't even do anything. And you didn't apologize to me. And I don't like that. Like I walked away. I was hurt. You said something about my toddler. And so he's like, but here's the thing. One of my biggest pet peeves is when I walked away from that conversation, I'm not a big guy, I'm not a big guy. I'm not a big guy, I'm not a big guy. I'm not a big guy, I'm not a big guy.

I'm not a big guy, I'm not a big guy. I'm not a big guy, I'm not a big guy. I'm not a big guy, I'm not a big guy. I'm not a big guy, I'm not a big guy. I'm not a big guy, I'm not a big guy. I'm not a big guy, I'm not a big guy. I'm not a big guy, I'm not a big guy. I'm not a big guy, I'm not a big guy.

I'm not a big guy, I'm not a big guy. I'm not a big guy, I'm not a big Exactly. And also, by the way, this point that you're making, Sean, is not an interesting or new point. Okay. Like it doesn't that has nothing to do with what she is bringing to you, by the way, regardless of what you feel about whether Meredith is exploiting this or maybe exploiting is the wrong word. But she is definitely very, very upset over what seems to be just like a passing reference to Brooks. But that being said, she's bringing it and she's brought it to Sean twice now,

actually quite calmly and maturely, believe it or not. And Sean is like, well, I thought we were good and now we're not good. Like what, you know, here I was all ready to rejoin the Meredith Marks Yas Queen Club. And now I find out I still have another page left in the application. Well, they're all trying to leverage each other's husbands against each other, right? Like if one husband's gonna be rude

or if one husband's gonna have to apologize, then every husband's gonna have to apologize. It's like a proxy war against Angie because Angie's being such a pain in the ass, you know what I mean? So she's like, okay, well now we'll make your husband apologize, it's like, oh my God, please just leave the husbands alone because they're all bad at this. So Sean's like, listen, you need to prove to me what I said, because I want to

know what you say, say I said about Brooks, because I didn't say it. And she's like, you said it in the press and I can pull it off if you like to. And she starts doing her like head, you know, like I will pull and he's like, okay. So then Whitney's like, yeah, just say it because we like proof Meredith. We like proof here. She goes, well, the gist of it. And these are not your words. But you said I was using my son's sexuality to deflect. And so we hear the audio and Sean's on a podcast and he's like, well, she took the opportunity to leverage her son and things like that, knowing this didn't land quite the way they wanted it to. So I don't think that's what she did though.

I don't think she was leveraging Brooks, by the way. So I think Sean is wrong on this one. I think she, well, we just talked about, I think she said like, look, I wouldn't do this. I wouldn't do this. And so Sean is like, Meredith, please. I didn't say anything about Brooks in the press, which is, I think also true. I think that's, I think Sean is right and also wrong at this exact same time on this. So he's like, I don't say anything about Brooks. Well, you said her son and she's like, you

did. And then Whitney's like, but think what did she say? What did he say? Meredith, give the proof. And so Seth whips out his phone and he's like, Sean, he accuses Meredith of using your son Brooks after gay rumors. Proof, b****. And everybody's just like, whoa, because he's like, you know, pointing his phone at Whitney. And she's like, did you just call me a b****? And he's like, yeah, because you lied and said, you just said, show me the proof. So I showed you the proof, like not getting it. Cause I think in his mind saying be arch is not saying you bitch. I think that he, I mean, I said be arch at the beginning of the three cap. So I think, I think he's joking out of his head.

I think this joke got away from him because when he was reading it, he was reading it like, okay guys, well, this is silly. I'll read it. He was like, well, Sean Trujillo uses Meredith Marx and that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, it's like, whoa, wait, wait, I thought we were in a jokey tone right now, Sean. I mean, Seth, but you suddenly got like,

you got kind of nasty there. So everyone's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Well, even if he is the same tone and just said, suck it, or like found it, eat, eat my, eat your words, suckers, or something like that, it would have been okay. But I think it's the biatch because now it can be like your husband called me a bitch. Yeah, I don't think he meant it that way. But even if you didn't mean it that

way, you just said it at least just say, Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to call you a biatch. I'm being a straight guy right now. Yeah, sorry. Seth is tired of his wife coming under fire with a bunch of lies. That is clickbait. What's the fucking comment? And Angie's like, no, a headline from a random blog proves nothing. Like she has way too much time on her hands. And she's just looking for a drama, which Greeks also actually did create. I wish when she said she's well, that could be true. Actually, that was my say that one. I was like that one. Actors all like, yeah, I think that was I think she's got that one.

Maybe some drama. Whoever did Gilgamesh. So god damn it. I wish when she said she's just looking for drama, they put in quote, they put in clips of last time they were in Palm Springs when Angie was trying to make a mark by fighting with Meredith and just chasing her around that bar. And every time Meredith turned away from her and they were in like those crazy Marilyn Monroe wigs or whatever. And every time she turned away from her, she would just run around her to the other side and be like, and another thing we are fighting. We are fighting. We are fighting.

Chasing her around that bar. She was funny. So Sean's saying you're taking it out of context. I didn't say that Meredith's like, whatever. So you're saying you never said it. And he's like, I already told you twice. And so she's like, I'm not being a victim. He's like, Yes, you are. And so we you're not gonna apologize. No, I'm not going to. It's not about being sorry. I just don't remember doing this. And she's like, Well, it was just a strange response. And he's like, Well, let me tell you something. If I said something demeaning towards Brooks, I'll certainly apologize. But I haven't and I've done that a bit. And I'll stand on that and I'll double down on it.

Still love you. Will you sign my poster? Before you stand on it, here's a box that way you can actually stand up on it. I'm sorry. I don't even know why she fought you this long because you were not tall enough to ride this ride. You know, I was not offended at you, Sean, until I realized you were trying to stand above Meredith in that moment. That's just sad.

So Meredith is like, I mean, this isn't a a real apology but we're beating a dead horse Lisa do you want to make a horse joke that's so mean why would you kill the horse anyway you know Sean and Angie clearly don't see any wrongdoing and they think that's fine to talk about someone else child toddler baby boy that way so noted noted thanks for letting me know I'm moving on noted noted thanks for letting me know I'm moving on so time to change the subject um Angie's like okay we should change the subject in other news like I love Todd he's one of the funner ones at the table tonight ha ha ha ha ha look at Todd he is not having fun Todd let us hear about how Gwen is reconnecting with her grandparents and so I was like Gwen is not we're not going there missy that's ity that's it you slap that horse on the ass and tell him to turn around

before I haven't turned into glue Angie stepping on that landmine by accident oh my god cuz you know we know when the housewives are stirring shit and we know what they banjo like oops my bad cuz Angie is not gonna try to stir shit up with Todd because Todd's wealthy. She's like, and you got to taste of a private plane just there. She's not going to mess that up. Right? So she's like, oh, I am sorry.

Greeks invented landmines by the way. So Bronwyn's like, well, that is not a happier topic, Ange. Okay. It's not happier. It's like, oh, sorry. I didn't, I did not mean to.. It's like, Oh, sorry, I didn't I did not mean to. Brawn was like, go, go back to the fight. You guys keep laughing. Would Lisa maybe like to apologize? That would be fine. Right? Right? Let's just roll that one back, Lava. So Brawn was like, Yeah, let's just get back to the

fight. It's like, it's like, you know, it's okay. It was a surprise when it came up with Lisa and, you know, not all surprises are happy. What is a happy surprise would be an apology from Lisa. That would be a very happy, lovely surprise, you know? And Tom's like, well, look, it was well-intentioned. Like if one of you guys had brought me a Werther, that would be very well-intentioned, but apparently no one's doing that right now. So let me just rumble into my arms right now.

Oh, Lisa's being really great. She went and talked to them, and she's in a hard position being friends with me, being friends with them, and where it just weren't our feeling is that they have not been involved in our child's life since she was born. So I was like, well, it's not our feeling, it's a fact. Well, that's fair. And Lisa didn't mean to step on a minefield. She didn't. I'm the one that showed her the picture. And it was an accidental coincidence that came up, which is funny

because it would be kind of an accidental coincidence if Lisa would apologize right now, what she's not going to do. So, yeah. So Todd's like, we're done here. It's not a field we're walking into. This ain't going to happen. This is all far. This is like the Carter presidency done. And she's like, well, when Gwen's like done. So then it's awkward. And he probably shuts her down and he's an asshole. He's a grumpy asshole at this point. and the problem like shuts her down and he's an asshole. He's a grumpy asshole at this point. And so everybody's like, no, cringing. And problem was like, wow, I was just worried that the ladies were going to embarrass me and it ended up being Todd. And I do love him, but there's a dynamic

around anger and frustration that Todd and I handle very differently. And he has a very specific stopping point and there's just no going past that stopping point. So, and he's like, you know, it's just going to piss me off. So let's just stay away from it. You know, I'm not going to have this discussion and dinner table to celebrate our anniversary. It's a personal issue for Gwen and Bronwyn and me as a support of both of them. It's no one's business to discuss it at dinner table. Frankly, it wasn't Lisa's business to bring it up to begin with.

But she didn't, Bronwyn did. Lisa could have just said, I know them. They made like the mutual decision to bring it onto the camera, because no one had to. All of this happened off of the camera. So I don't know if it's really fair. I mean, look, I know Lisa's an asshole and I think it's funny that people are calling her out,

but Jesus, they're like jumping on her for every little thing. She did not bring this on camera, your wife did. So that's your issue. The true WASPy way to handle it would have been to say, yes, we are going to support Gwen on her journey, but we're not gonna talk about it on here because it's between her and her grandparents.

And then it just ends there. Right, and she said, sorry, she didn't't know and you're the one blustering and going crazy about it making this a huge deal and now insulting your wife you look like a fucking idiot dude just shut your mouth it's time for a commercial it's time for a crap ens commercial in a quiet suburb a community is shattered by the death of a beloved wife and mother. But this tragic loss of life quickly turns into something even darker. Her husband had tried to hire a hitman on the dark web to kill her.

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And so, you know, he just he's he's protective. It's also after eight thirty. So he's a little grumpy. So now it's the next morning and everyone is heading to cars because they're going to go to thermal first, watch some racing. And they're all excited. And Whitney tells us after after dinner I don't know if it was just pure exhaustion but we ended up having a really good time and then this is one of those housewives phenomenons where they fight like crazy at dinner and then they all get drunk afterwards and have the best time ever which has happened to this group multiple times. Yeah, this group is really like, okay, let's clock out and then they go have

fun together. And Whitney, especially, is just like, okay, I won't start shit with anybody today. Let's just go have fun. Because most of the times are fighting is because Whitney's starting shit, you know, so it's like Whitney decides to take a break and they can all have a good time. But it's nice to watch. It's like Whitney decides to take a break and they can all have a good time, but it's nice to watch and So then Bronwyn now it's race time to go to the race and Bronwyn's like wow bringing the girls to a race would be amazing of us in the first place, but this is a VIP I mean, this is crazy. We're so rich We know a famous race car driver the girls girls are going to get to meet the famous race car driver. Their lives are about to change. You're welcome, girls. You're welcome.

Hopefully, around the track, we've paid somebody. I don't know if they're going to have time to paint it, but it's going to say, apologize to Bronwyn, Lisa. Just apologize to Bronwyn. That's really what I'm hoping to get out of this race. Yeah. And then they meet this guy named Joseph, who's like a hot race car driver. So like, Oh, and Seth is like, I gotta ask, I gotta ask, asking for a friend. Are you single? And Joseph's like, No, I'm married. And I have a have a young young daughter. And it's like, All right, well, I guess we'll have to tell Heather that she's out of luck. Okay, Seth, I really just rain that in a kind of work on that.

Um, so they're like, wow, you're so hot. Lisa's like, you're gonna burn. So, um, Meredith is being cuddled by during the race. Meredith is kind of being cuddled by Justin, and they're just like doing kind of an artist pose. Like she was like looking off into the distance, being very serious. And Whitney's like, why does Meredith always look pissed off? And Justin goes, that's just her resting face. Justin goes, yeah, my ex-wife had that.

Wow. So you cheated on her and left your family. That's a good excuse. Justin's really not coming off great. Let's see. No, no. So then Bronwyn is, she's like, wait, hold on one second. Sorry.

Bronwyn's like, okay, Lisa, I think that like, maybe we should have a talk and maybe I can listen and apology from you. And by the way, so they're trying to they're trying to settle the score. But the cars are so loud. And these Indy cards are zooming by. This is actually the perfect time for Lisa to apologize because that way she doesn't have to actually say it. She can just mouth it. And then afterwards afterwards she'd be like, no, I totally said it. Yeah, I apologize. It is, you know, you just didn't hear it,

but I apologize. So yeah. And so Bronwyn's like, well, I just, I can't. Blah, blah, blah, blah. The cars are so loud. And she's like, well, I can't talk to you when there's cars here. Let's talk at the house. Okay, I just don't want

to have a scene in front of everyone. So maybe when we get back to the house, you can make some time for me. Mm hmm. We can chat. Mm hmm. That sound okay. Does that like you're gonna go ahead and cut these extra leaves off today like you agreed to do last time you forgot to do before you left because I would hate to have to dock your pay. So you are going to take care of those front bushes. Okay, don't forget only use a green trash cans. Okay. So now they they get back they go back to the house after this

exciting excursion to thermal and Angie and Seth are in the back. Angie and Sean are in the backyard and Seth walks out and he's like, well, guys, just wanna say goodbye. It was fun. Hope you have a good flight back home. Beeyotch! I was like, okay, Seth, that was really aggressive. Please work on that. I'm headed back to Ohio, the great Columbus, Ohio 1492 Columbus, South, the ocean blue.

I am Greek and Seth leaves. We invented that. Greeks invented the Columbus rhyme actually. We didn't understand it for so many centuries. So Seth leaves and Andy is like, wow, he's in a hurry to get to the airport. It sounds like, well, I mean, that was interesting. Like last night when we were talking and he brought up like click bait and then calling you guys be arches and you know, like calling you be arches.

He means bitches. Stop it, Sean. He's really connecting a lot of dots. Sean fucking detective Sean over there. Well, the thing is, you know, they were quiet today at the race and I don't know if there is something else going on. Dot, dot, dot, dot, dot. He's like, you're right.

You know what I think is going on? I think they didn't want to talk to each other. Okay. Let's work on those dots, Sean and Sean. So then, um, Whitney comes over and Angie's like, Yeah, we're just talking about when he said be hot. So when he's like, that was so unnecessary and rude and like uncalled. Don't you mean uncalled for what? So then Justin is like, yeah, when did men start getting involved in everything? I mean, you

would have thought that we learned our lesson on Angie's. Oh yeah, Seth wasn't at Angie's. Shocking. I was like, well, what was that all about? Because all the guys I guess were like, let's stay out of women's business. And Seth wasn't there for that meeting. So Whitney was like, didn't you already work this out and then they brought it back again is another problem. That's exactly what you did at that dinner.

Be quiet. And so she's like, well, that's when I'm so sick of like, like you work it out and then when you turn around, like you didn't work it out. Like it's still a problem. Like Lisa, do you regret calling Justin? Fuck Like how many times has Whitney been the person?

where like things have been like locked in and fine moving forward and then she's like But I'm still angry about it. My job Exploited like literally the ad you explored my vagina thing was like, Heather had said, this is what it says. Are you okay with what it says? Yeah. Six months later, you exploited my vagina. I mean, Whitney is the queen of this. So that's it for credit. So yeah, this guy is like asking for a review. No, I'm not going to give you a review.

Stop texting me. Spamming me for reviews. You know what? I'm going to say, here's my review. Stop spamming me. Okay. He's like, he's like, I don't know. Last time I thought when I finished the job, I thought that we were on good terms and now

you won't give me a review. This is what I hate. I find out afterwards. We still have an issue. Uh, so then, uh, yeah. Give me a review. This is what I find out afterwards. We still have an issue. So then, uh, yeah. So Angie, Whitney is like, yeah, she always has a problem with you and I and Angie's like, yeah, I'm always extending the olive branch. I'm going to have to start slapping her with the olive branch. Ha ha ha ha ha.

She is not taking the olive branch. It's like, do you want the olive branch or not? What if it's olive and a hummus? What if it's olive hummus? I'll throw in a Zorba, a Zorba for, I'm going to slap her with a Zorba. So, um, it's actually funny cause she mentioned olive branch several times without actually making a joke about Greeks. I was like, this is your setup. It's like, it's like, Hey, my wife likes to do reverse cowgirl. That's Greek. It's like olives. Nothing. Okay, sure. So now we have Meredith and Seth in the room and sounds like, so I gotta get out of here, honey. I know I

delayed the flight. So we cool. Like this traveling. Is it okay? like this traveling, is it okay? Well, it's a war and I'm not whelping it, but you know, it's what you have to do, that's what you have to know. Is that what you think? Why does he gotta fly in the mini-at what? Do you hear my chair squeaking a lot? I got a brand new chair.

I feel like it's nothing but creaking. No? Oh yeah, I hear it. Yeah, I hear it. But I think we talked so much that I don't hear it. I've got a creaky chair too. There's, I hear it. Yeah, I hear. But I think we talked so much. I don't hear. I've got a creaky chair too. There's like no escaping it. I've tried so many chairs. They all creek. I'm just a big person, a big person who likes to tilt and swing and swing. Well, it's just that when I, when I do Meredith voice, I really throw my whole body into it.

Like I'm just doing everything on here, my hand and I noticed that my chair Yeah, you can get tricked up doing a little Meredith action happens happens to the boss love off so um Angie's like oh, yeah, so now we're with Seth and Meredith. Yeah, and so he's like Why did I fly to Minneapolis and then Columbus we fixed my college goes? Oh, well, he did decide to stay longer and he's leaving before me. Now he has to go to a horrible place, Minneapolis. And then this has got much longer a tram. I don't care. None of this makes any sense to me. I don't understand the problem in their marriage. I don't get it. She wants more Seth because if you remember season one, he was always traveling, leaving her to raise a toddler by herself.

But you want to hear what I learned in a comment on the Reddit that Seth's job is to kind of go into companies and help them prepare for bankruptcy so that they can make as much profit as possible from the bankruptcy. And his most recent one was big lots. And that actually really not like him because like where's big lots has gone now and Seth had something to do with that, you know, and at the end of the day, Seth can seem like he's fun, seem like he's nice, be a little creepy, but you know, overall decent person. But you took big lots for me, Seth.

And I don't know if we're okay frankly. He took big lots from all of us. We used to have quite a big lot. And now we have a small lot. That's the thing for lot or not. I can say that because I have a gay son. Wait a minute. Shut up, Sean.

I'm not talking to you. You're leveraging the LGBTQ community. That's big lots. I'm sorry, Sean. I'm not leveraging the LGBTQ community. I'm sorry, Sean gets triggered by the phrase big lots. God. So now Bronwyn is so Bronwyn finally pulls Lisa aside and Lisa's trying to be, you know, as cheery and chipper as possible. And so they're laughing at first. Ron was like, how did I get so beat up on this trip? What did we do last night that I don't remember? It's so much fun. It must have been volleyball. Am I right? Well, I love it. So we've got to finish our talk.

Okay. Now listen, if I didn't care about you, I would just put a wall up, right? Wouldn't I just put a wall up? I'm not doing that because I care about you. So the walls down. So go ahead and apologize. That's great. Yeah, okay. Um, fine. Because you know, I think me being friends with your friends has changed things between us. And I don't really know why I'm like, well, actually, you could just end the sentence. You can just end it there. The first rule of friends is that when your friend meets your other friends, drama always happens. Like that's like the first rule of friend groups. Right. So at least it's like, yeah, but like, how do you feel like it's changing?

Dying is because like, can I tell you how I feel? Okay. So I had a conversation with Heather because I felt like other was like upset. Okay. Well, here's my thing. I don't know what Heather did other than come and talk to you. But I sat in my house in tears. Can we roll footage of me crying amongst the dog shit? Anyone please? And we just see Brahman be like, so cut back and Brahman's like, and I know that you're saying that Heather was emotional and Heather was explaining you're saying that Heather was emotional and Heather was explaining her side,

but Heather also dropped some bombs in there. I'm two-faced, I'm conniving, I'm mean, and that's nasty, Lisa. That's nasty thinking. Well, you were kind of two-faced when you were mocking Whitney openly when you barely knew her. You were, okay.

Even though you told Whitney you were doing it, you said it in a much nicer tone than you were openly laughing at her it in a much nicer tone than you were openly laughing at her and stuff in the car with it wasn't really cool for Heather to take that back either but for you to pretend like you did nothing is a little silly and she's like and I'm conniving and I'm mean and that's the end you excluded someone from the trip on their own goddamn show which is kind of mean so you're kind of I don't think that was mean I don't think that was mean of Brahma to that I think Brahma was like this woman's talking shit. Like I had a shady moment

and Heather then went around and told everyone that I was being too faced and mean and nasty. And like that's fucked up. But you know what though, like maybe we can move forward. So I'm going to talk to her and I'm going to be like, you know, sorry sorry I was I was messing with you with this shit But also I want you to acknowledge that you were exaggerating Like my intentions with my shady comment and how there's like I don't have to sing for my supper So it's like fun Well, then you don't get to come on the trip because I'm not gonna have someone on the trip who's actively talking shit about me So I don't think it was mean. I just think it was Yeah, I think it was here. Although I don't, I think that Heather was wrong in the situation overall.

I mean, I think Heather went way overboard and Heather's doing it because it's just some newbie coming into the group and she's not going to take her shit basically, but she's losing this one badly. I think Bronwyn won that one. I think Bronwyn was just her response is too big. It's too much. I think like going to the, I think she should have been like, Hey Heather, we started off on the wrong foot. I'm having a trip. I'd like

you to come. I hope we can start over. And that's it. But this like constant demanding an apology, because that's what it was then too. It was Bronwyn like, I need an apology from you for this specific thing. It's, it's again, it's the same pattern with Lisa. I need an apology from you right now for this specific thing. And if you don't use the right code words to give me this apology, you're gonna pay for it. And I just think that's the wrong way to go about it. It's like someone, it just gives me the air of somebody

who's constantly getting what they want and they're not getting it exactly the way they want. And so she's throwing a hissy fit and being like, fine, I'll come onto your show and not let you come on the cast trip, that bitch. And- But to be fair, I mean, like, this is the show where everyone in the cast does that exact thing.

Everyone is always demanding apologies all the time. And you also saw this intensely. It's just just did it. Meredith just did it. And Meredith does it all the time. And we love Mary. I mean, I love Meredith. You know, I think, I think Bronwyn was a problem.

Bronwyn's no Meredith. I, They're all saying that's fair. She doesn't have that. She just got here. You know, I don't think I don't think what Bronwyn did is any meaner than anything that that Heather did. I think what Heather did. I think what Heather did was what was meaner. And I just I don't know. I don't think I don't think what Bronwyn did was mean. I think what Heather did was meaner. And I just thought, I don't know, I don't think what Bronwyn did was mean. I think that she basically was like, why would I spend money on this person who is actually talking shit about me

and won't even like apologize the way I like. Like I apologize because I was messy, but she won't apologize because she was being messy and that's fucked up. So why would I invite her to my thing? Okay. Okay. So then, um, Bronwyn's like, well, so Lisa's like, well, I get why you feel that way. What I'm just, what I'm trying to tell you. And she's like, well, wherever it came from, I just feel like either of you don't want to say to Heather in that moment. Like I don't know that Bronwyn would never, Bronwyn's never been that way, but or frankly, if you don't say that,

you do believe that I'm two-faced. She repeats the whole thing, like why she's mad at Lisa. Then Lisa's like, well, I felt like I was in the hard place, because I'm like in some situations, like it was confusing. She's like, oh wow, Lisa.

Wow, Lisa. She's just, okay, now you're not going to listen to me. She goes, well, I mean, I'm taking that weird Lisa. I'm taking that weird, Lisa. I'm taking that weird what you just said. Why are you so mad? I will say that I do think that Bronwyn is taking Lisa's stance a little bit extremely

because Bronwyn's basically like, the fact that she did not stand up for me means that she herself thinks I'm two-faced. And I'm like, well, I don't think it means that necessarily. I think she may just be like, I like both of you. And this is an awkward position for me to be in. So Lisa's like, listen, you'll have to listen to me. I feel like it was a confusing thing. And that's why it was like interpreted as like two-faced for her. And I feel like that like perceived in that way, because of like, you're aware of communicating and her way of communicating 100%. Am I out of jail

yet? Do I get like another gift? Come on, Broward's like, you know what those words say to me right now? I'm in a place with Heather where I'm more concerned about Heather's feelings than your feelings. And that's fine. You guys are in that place. And she's like, no, that's not. And she goes, well, I don't need you to be worried about my feelings, but I'm trying to tell them to you that I was crying that day. And I'm about on the verge of tears right now.

Cause I think you and I are in a place where you just can't say you're not two faced. And Lisa's like, Oh God. Oh God. She's like, but your experience with me is that is not that I'm two faced. That's kind of wild that you can't even agree to that. And Lisa's like, Oh, I didn't agree to it. It is kind of funny because Bronwyn has Lisa like sort of like Lisa does not know which way to which way to go in this.

Bronwyn's making up rules on what things mean. Like if you don't fight with Heather, then you're agreeing with Heather that I'm two-faced. And she's like, but I never said you were two-faced. That's not what it is. She goes, yes, the argument is you're calling me two-faced now. And it's like, well, what are you even talking about? She's like, see, you can't even deny it.

What are you even talking about? Why are you so mad? You're just making up random rules to an argument and then getting mad when people don't follow them. But then it actually turns out Bronwyn's actually correct. Cause Lisa says, you know, it's hard for me to answer that question because, because she's telling us, cause I do think you are too faced sometimes. So it's like, ah, Bronwyn sucked it out. And she's like,

and I just feel like I can't trust you a hundred percent. And like, I hate that I'm in a position like, oh my God, get me out of this pool. Yeah. And so Lisa's like, well, okay. It was so shitty that she came to your house. This is how I feel. And that she left and you were crying. And I felt badly that you were upset.

She goes, okay, thank you, Lisa. Just like the bottom line is, I do think there's a huge misunderstanding and 100%. And she goes, oh no, no, no, no, no. Don't end, no, end it at that. I feel badly for you. Don't go back to the misunderstanding. No more, Lisa. We don't go, we don't baby Heather's feelings when she's not here. I will baby Heather's feelings myself when she and I work it out, Lisa. I just want to be a good friend to both of you. And Brawn's like, and I appreciate that,

but it's got to feel a little bit more balanced. She was like, Okay, and I feel like I'm I feel like I'm being needy with you. And I'm like, like, it's like I'm begging you to feel for me. And she's like, No, what the no, no, no, no, no, the bottom line is, I'm here, because I wanted to be here with you. Can I hug you? Can I touch can touch with both my arms? Because the thing is this, you guys are really rich. And I'm like really excited to go back on that private jet on the way back, right? Because we're

definitely taking a private jet jet jet back to Salt Lake City, right? Right? Right? So she's like, Can I hug you even though I know you hate hugs? And she was Oh my god, I don't hate hugs. Everyone's acting like I'm a terrorist. You're terrible. Terrorists are like, wait a second. This is an emotional terrorist. I cannot wait to see her bloom because I have a feeling she's going to get 20 times as bad. Because you know what I've noticed on these shows over all these years, and this is one thing

that's held true, nobody gets more chill. Like maybe 98% of people do not get more chill on me. They only become more intense. The only people I could say maybe that have gotten more chill over the years, well, I guess there are some, right? There's like Luanne, she's totally different. Anyway, we don't have to go through a history lesson. But for the most part, people really go nuts on this show on these shows. I do predict I mean, I think Bronwyn is a fantastic,

fantastic casting. And I think I really love her. But I do suspect she may have she may have like a Leah, Leah, what's her face arc, you know, we're great first season swan dive second season on Roni. But we'll see. We'll see. Yeah. I overall you know, she's like, she's poking at my nerves for sure. And she's making me like annoyed. But I like that. You know, I like that about these shows. And I do think she's good casting overall. Yeah. And I see where she's going to fall apart. Like everything that you, that you don't like about her.

I see how that is going to be. Those are going to be issues that are not going to go away. And, and I think you will be ultimately vindicated because I see her, her like, like all those things are good. But for right now, she's still in the pocket for me. Like she does like, oh, she's still on the good side for me. Okay. So now it's time to pack and go home.

And your problem was packing with Todd. She's like, honey, do you have your breathing machine? Oh God, Todd, what would you do without me? And he just doesn't answer her. She goes, I noticed you're not responding. So and he just ignores her and then producers like, so Todd, would you ever do this again? He's like, no, I won't ever do this again. Jesus Christ. So, they're all, they're all gathering out front group photo and everything. And then they're just like, okay, fun. Okay. So

however you can get homes, everyone's like looking at their flights, you know, and, and everyone's checking it that stuff out. And, you know, just like milling about nothing can go wrong. Everything's lovely. And she's looking and she's like, Oh, she's like, let's see Sean sitting in 19a and then Lisa's like, Hey, just like, what's what's wrong? Like, where are you sitting? Cause I don't know. I don't know. Oh my god. Oh my god. What's happening? The world is swallowing me up right now. I don't carry coach. I don't fly coach. No one wants to be the last one to get off the plane. Oh my god. Oh my god. She says, Oh my god, I gotta go. I gotta go to the airport so I

can fix my taco. And he's like, you're not going to be able to fix your ticket. It's a small plane. You're never going to get to first class. At this point, I am Greek." And Angie's like, whatever, you know? It's like, it's okay. She says, I'm on 19A, Angie. Hopefully I'm sitting by you.

And Bronwyn's like, no, she said, Angie says- Bronwyn's like, guys, honestly, there were just, it's a small plane. There were only four seats in first class. So I put Todd and I, skanky asses up there and I put you guys next to your husbands and the best seats that there were it's like a 65 minute flight. Let's go.

What none of the accoutrements. Oh, and by the way, first class on those small planes, you just get like an orange juice that take off like that's it. It's like slightly wider seats. It's really not that big of a difference. So, but Lisa's yeah, those are a rip off on those planes anyway. Yeah, she's like, we're not gonna be basic. Do you guys want to step up? We're not gonna do this. We're not gonna do this. So she is losing her

mind. She's looking at ways to like change her flight. She's like, Oh my god, I'm in 17. See, look, I'm in 17. I can't remember the last time I flew in the back of the plane. I am literally in 17. See. So Lisa's like, Oh my god, you know what, I'm in 17. I can't remember the last time I flew in the back of the plane. I am literally in 17. So Lisa's like, Oh my God, you know what? I want to get home to Henry, but I like, hate this. I like, hate this. John is so uncomfortable. He's like, so you want to make it longer and get home later just so

you can sit in a bigger seat. Yeah. I know you don't, but listen, I haven't flown couch since I was in college. We'll get a flight and we'll see if there's any first class ones available. And we're like, I can't do it. I can't do it. I can't do it.

The larger context of this is that there was a little scene earlier when they're packing and she's like, oh my God, I cannot wait to get home and just see Henry. I don't want to do anything but see Henry. I just miss our little boy. I hope he's doing well. God, I want to get home to Henry. And now she's like, all right, how about this? You route through Miami and then back to Salt Lake City as long as it's all first class.

It's so funny. He's like, okay. So everything sold out, Lisa. She's like, oh my God, you're cutting. He goes, just close your eyes and imagine you're in first class. And she goes, He goes, just close your eyes and imagine you're in first class. And you think she's thinking of that. And she goes, all right, well, worst case we fly to LA and then we fly back to see Henry. It's not like there's an issue. She got some loose, I mean, he's just playing video games anyway. He's just stuck at home with no friends because they're all in

someone else's butt body. Oh, I would like never normally travel like that. Like everything else amazing. I would never ever fly. Go. And this is why no matter what, no matter how right everyone is going anti-Lisa in this entire episode, I don't care if they're even right. She is so fucking funny to me that I will always be on her side. That shit's hilarious.

She is no I mean Lisa she means it magnificent. Lisa Meredith I mean this whole cast any anytime I'm like I they're just all great. Every single one. It's just a perfect cast there. It doesn't matter like at the end of the day regardless of like where we stand on any side of any of our stupid arguments about these people, I really love everyone on this cast. It is so good and they just crack me up. Right, it's a good show. Alright everybody, well thanks so much for being here. We will be back tomorrow, probably enraged because it is Real Housewives of Orange County Day, so we'll be here for that. Yeah, check that out and thanks for being here here for the special two part recap. These are always

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