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some other random patisserie there. I get it, I mean, it's all, that's been eating and drinking nonstop since we got here and you know, after we're done with this recording, it's Bagel Thursday and I'm in New York City so'm going to get a bagel from my favorite bagel shop after this, and I am so excited. Pete Slauson Well, let me show you what I got. I got this from Angelina. They didn't give it to me free, but whatever. Ben told me it's famous. Look at this thing. It looks like a little bald

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And you know, I think our number one question is have you guys been on watch what happens live? tonight as bartenders with Southern Charm people, Patricia and Austin. And you know, I think our number one question is, have you guys been on Watch What Happens Live? So now we can say we have been there in person. We did do some Zoom stuff with them during the pandemic, but this was our first time, which was super exciting and we're really, we had so much, we're going to have so much fun. But then in terms of another question people often ask us

is, have you guys ever been on Bitch Sesh? You know, it's hosted by Casey Wilson and Danielle Schneider. And now we can happily say the answer is yes. We did an episode with them, which I believe is coming out today. And it was so fun. Like, we just had the best time. So please go seek out that episode and listen and subscribe and all that fun stuff. We had the greatest time. It's been such a fun week.

What a fun couple of gals. I'll tell you that. Oh my goodness. Yeah. If someone says, describe those two, I'd say, what a fun couple of gals. Okay. We really like them. We really did. And so they said, I think the episode's coming out today. If it's not out today, it'll be out in a little bit. But wow, that was our 400th episode. And we just, like, we got on like a house on fire, as they say.

Yep. It was a house of fire, not on fire. Okay, it's a house of fire. I think it's like, they're getting like a house of fire. I mean, I don't know. Like white on rice. Yeah, that's another metaphor. Oh.

We got along like- Still recording. We got along like light bulbs in a lamp. They just work well. We just beat up against them. Just kept being like, nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you.

They're like, oh my God. Turn off my light. So here we are with Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. We pick off where we left off last time where Todd is all pissy about Lisa because as he says, well, bringing up issues about Gwendolyn, you know, that's sensitive and you asserting that Bronwyn had a miscarriage. Which she did not do.

She asserted that the parents asserted that she had a miscarriage. Get it straight Todd, okay, you double talker. And Lisa's like, Todd, Todd, I get where you're coming from. You asserted that Bronwyn had a miscarriage. And- Watch your tone. Watch your tone.

I'm not watching my tone. You watch your tone. Watch your tone. Watch your tone. No, I watch your tone. I want, by the way, you know what I'm turning on tonight? Your tone. I'm gonna watch it.

You better watch your tone too. This is a friendly environment. I mean, it's funny hearing John say watch your tone because if there is ever a lack of tone in the world, it's John. He has zero tone. John is almost transparent. I can basically see the veins and the muscles in you in John Barlow's body. He's toneless. Yeah. I think that's a very, like in so many ways, in so many ways. So Todd's like, really? Really? I need to watch my own. So John's like, where's security? Where should we get security? I'm afraid of the Todd father.

And Lisa's like, listen, I understand why that would be extremely hurtful and extremely offensive, but I think that sometimes you have to realize that when you're saying things on camera, then they live on camera and then they can be repeated. Yeah. And Brahman's like, but repeating something six months later, that's just despicable. That is dastardly and despicable, Lisa. No, it's not because the after show is filmed then. So if you're filming the after show and they're asking you if you shot a scene and they say, Hey, Lisa, you brought up that the grandparents asserted that they were told that Brahman had a miscarriage. And Lisa answers that question is because it was

on camera and Lisa doesn't know it's been cut. So stop trying to make it sound like she's doing some horrible dastardly thing. You're ridiculous. Yeah. So you know what? I already talked to you. I already apologized to you so you can like put on a show and pretend that I didn't because I'm not putting on a show, Lisa. It's just how I feel about it. And I will nod you into submission. I'm just very upset. So I'm just going to let my disappointed head shake.

Speak for me right now. Okay. I hope you're feeling very bad. You feel badly about yourself. You should. You should. Yes. Yes.

The fact of the matter is my intention was good and it was the hardest conversation I've ever had next to the time I had to tell Henry that McDonald's was no longer serving breakfast. The only other time I had a conversation this bad was when my son in Bogota told me that his roommate tried to cut his hair with just regular scissors in the room. The only time I had a conversation that was harder than this was when I had to tell Henry that Xbox Live was down. And Andy's like, well, I thought that your protectiveness over Gwen meeting the grandparents, whether she met them or not, was admirable.

And Todd's like, thank you. Thank you. That is a, that is a pilot of a palm. Palm Island. Watch your tongue. Watch your tongue. So, um... It was, it was sad though that Tom, Tom, Todd calmed down so quickly because I thought we were going to get some Todd anger and they, they were like, dun, dun, dun. We're leaving the reunion with angry Todd. And then we got back and he's like, we're leaving the reunion with angry Todd and then we got back. He's like, all right, you know, yeah, it's all good. What do you think?

He put his anger in a seatbelt and by seatbelt, I mean, he crossed his arms. They're like, all right, I'm just trapped in the anger. I will be over here squeezing my lips with my two fingers a little bit. Yeah, you know, corporate executives, they run hot and then they cool down right away, I feel like, because they're going to run hot about something new soon. Listen, why am I being apologetic to corporate executives? Never mind. Fuck that.

You'll expand it for the rich people. I was like, guys, listen who needs the most misunderstood group in America right now? Corporate executives. Yeah. They have no power in this country. It makes me sad. They're disenfranchised. Swizz from Miss wrote in, Angie, why are you holding Meredith accountable for the gay rumor when all she said was that there were rumors? You never held Whitney accountable

for getting Monica to spill the rumor. Now this question was just brushed over because Meredith starts having a cow about nothing in a minute. Why is Whitney getting no shit? Whitney is the one who started this. Whitney started it. She was the one who brought Monica over and was like, we have heard something about your marriage. Go ahead, Monica, tell her what I absolutely would never absolutely say by myself. And so Monica did it and Whitney is just sitting over there hiding behind Bronwyn's dress. Yeah, so Angie's like, well, I know that there were off camera conversations about me and you know what?

I'll never be able to prove it. So all I have to do at this point is just say, Meredith swore she didn't play a role in it and I have no choice but to move on with it. Which is actually like, it's like a little, it's begrudging, but it's her way of saying like, well, I have to take Meredith's word for it. And she could have said it nicer.

She could have said, you know what? Meredith and I have talked, I wanna move forward with Meredith, so I'm taking her word for it and I believe her. But Meredith is like, no, I want full examination. Yeah, and I don't blame her, you know, because that's a thing that's been following her around for a long time and Angie is just not gonna give her that.

And it's unfortunate because I think the only other person that thought that Sean was gay before all this came out was literally everybody who's ever watched his show. And so, you know, it's been rough. It's been a rough road. God, I can only wish. So Meredith is like, so cute. So Meredith is like, Please be the wagon over my rough road, you handsome Louis Vuitton wearing Baldy. Get over here.

So Meredith's like, well, it's not that simple, Angie, because you spent two years making false claims and you spent two years accusing me of something I didn't do. I'm relentlessly insisting that I did it and in turn have actually done all the things that to me as retaliation you've spoken poorly about my business, you've spoken poorly about my marriage, you've spoken poorly about blah blah blah. But the point is you've accused me of talking about your home and your business and you talk about my home and my business.

But you did talk about my home and she just kind of like, well, I'm just going to ignore that one because it's probably true. My horrible things. Horrible. I'm not doing any of that. She was like, you did. You were on film talking about how Monica could take her home. And I said, well, do you honestly think I'll be like, oh, go take her home.

I mean, everyone knows you can't just take the house of someone who's in the Greek mafia. And he's like, well, you believed her in the moment, Heather, and so did Whitney. And Andy's like, wait, oh, I just I'm just out of curiosity. How did she speak negatively about your home? She's like, well, I mean, she says things all the time, like rented home, home that's rented, home that she rents. And Andy's like, but don't you live in a rented home? And she's like, ah, well, I mean, obviously,

it was made to be horrible and sound like I'm poor or something. I love Andy pretending he doesn't understand the insinuation of people saying, what a renter, as if that's not been the thing on The Housewives for two decades. She's calling her a renter, what do you think it means? I mean, it was said in a very negative light.

I mean, yes, I do a winter ski rental for the 10th time because I only live in Utah for half the year." And Andy's like, but if it's a rental, why is it negative? I mean, just because you're on a show that values material objects and wealth and possession, why is it negative to assume that you can't afford to own the house you live in, but you don't live in. Well, it's negative indeed the way that it's said and clearly it was meant to be a slam and slammer. And he's like, huh, I don't really get that. Yes, you do. That's calling someone a renter is like the F word in and I mean the gay effort, by the way. It's like saying the F word to a real housewife. You can't do that.

Mm, yeah. All right, well Reese's from pieces said, "'Meredith, why did you expect an apology from Sean "'when you did leverage Brooks' sexuality "'so you wouldn't receive further scrutiny "'for the false allegations you made about Sean?' "'Meredith is like, "'Well, that would be impossible

"'because I didn't make any allegations in the first place. I'm just someone who lives in a home that they own, but is also rented. And Angie is like, but why does half the world think that you did? Because you told everybody that she did. You guys have been accusing her of that for years. I mean, come on. But also at this point is so stupid because I personally do not think, well, like, okay, I don't think

that Meredith leveraged Brooks to get out of it, but I understand when people say, no, she did. I think it's fair to say like you're what Meredith said, she has complete rights to say it was such a simple, small thing. And the fact that that has been blown up into like an argument, like there's no argument to be had. I think it's Meredith, my son is part of this community. I understand what it means. I would never do that. I don't think that's

leveraging. It's not pulling some sort of, although I do see technically it is. I think you have a right to just say that and it's not a big deal. And the fact that it's become a huge fight is so ridiculous. Well, I could never be gay because I'm a gay toddler, I guess is what they're alleging. But the only people that should be offended by somebody doing that are gay people. Not non-gay husbands who've been accused of being gay. You know what I mean? Like if you're not gay, you don't get to pull the gay card.

You can't have it both ways. That's how I'm feeling. I feel like she's being accused of saying like, well, I have best friends who are black. You know, when people say something racist and like, what? I would never be racist. I have a friend who's black. That's what they're accusing her of. That's what they're accusing her of. But I actually don't really think it's the same thing here personally.

And I think that she has, I think she was totally fine to say that what she said. Well, she's like the premise was false to begin with. So I couldn't have been using something to excuse something that never happened. Does that make sense? And does anybody need a vocabulary thing? Because the word leverage, I'm gonna read it on my phone. I will read it on my phone. Does anyone know what the definition of leverage means? And then like Bronwyn nods and then Todd raises his hand. He's like, it's a very good show on TNT. Yes, of course I know it.

Todd raises his hand. He's like, it's a very good show on TNT. Yes, of course I know it. He's like, yes, that's actually what Bronwyn uses to get a five diamond ring from me. So, of course I do. And she's like, well, here it is in my phone, leverage to use to maximum advantage. Sean was asked by a gay podcaster about it and said, don't you feel like it appears that she is using her son as a defense? And she said, no, he didn't say it appears. I did listen to the whole podcast on like what you said. So she starts reaching for her phone. I have it on my phone too.

I have it on my phone too. Oh, I have it on mine. So I'm like, wow, I've got a phone as well. Well, we'll just all bring down our phones phones and I'm going to listen on Apple podcasts. I will listen on Spotify. Well, I'm going to listen on Amazon podcasts. Oh, okay. Well, we'll see who pulls up the podcast first. I'm going to check it out. Oh, stitcher. Wait a minute. Okay. So then, uh, oh, that's on YouTube. I got it on YouTube guys. So, um, she whips out the phone and Sean's just like, well, let me just jump in really

fast guys. And no, he said it looks like she's using her son and Meredith reads it from the phone. I think she tried to leverage that out of the way as a pivot for her. So he literally says leverage and pivot and all this. So after the episode aired there was a whole bunch of backpedaling and you know she's a smart woman and she took the opportunity to leverage her son and things like that, knowing it didn't quite land the way she wanted it to. And my thing is if I were a cheater, say that, but don't make it

about sexuality. No, there's a difference. There's a difference between gay cheating and straight cheating. Straight cheating is gross and horrible and should never happen. Gay cheating is fun. It's hot. Yeah. And it's swordplay. Yeah, we like to hear about it.

Everybody loves sports and it's basically swordplay. What do they call that? Fencing. It's skin fencing. Okay? Yeah. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappins commercial.

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So now they play audio from behind. Dare you try to make my cheating sound like your cheating. I've heard lie cheating. We got that a lot. Our cheating makes for great twists in soap operas. So now we hear from behind the velvet rope and he's like, Meredith said in the most or second most recent episode, you know, my son is gay and you know, I'm on the board of GLAAD, you know, and I would never out someone's sexuality. Like, is that like another like roundabout like not good at defense?

I mean, it's kind of like she's using that as a defense to say, why am I being blamed for this? I would never out someone's sexuality not that there's a sexuality even about you know, I'm saying like would you feel that way? It's so and he's like And Angie's like yes, okay he's so bored of this fight and Meredith is like, well, accusing me of using my son and his community for something I didn't do. Now, let me tell you something.

And he's like, wait, you know what? This is a huge waste of time. Excuse you, I'm about to watch Meredith's head pop off. I don't consider this a waste of time at all. Can you stop defusing the volcano, sir? Okay? It's got to get all worked up again. Well, I'll tell you who agrees with you.

Meredith, she's like, oh, okay, Andy, maybe you think it's a huge waste of time, but as far as I can tell, my toddler's being blinded by a podcaster somewhere. No, no, I'm just saying this interview just sounds like the guy led him into a thing. Oh, oh, oh, oh. And Meredith's like, well, but don't take the bait then.

Okay? Like don't be queer baited is what I'm just trying to say. Or just say, I shouldn't have said that. He gasped at me tonight seeing it. And Heather's like, you know what? There are things that you just shouldn't do in this world. You shouldn't cross crosswalks when it's a red light. Okay?

You shouldn't litter and you shouldn't go on podcasts because receipts. All right, all right. So you're in this together, we are in the trenches and when you go on to a podcast, you are violating a sisterhood, a covenant, a pact that comes between us because we are all doing this and you know what? You violated that, Sean. So thank you, Heather, for the monologue. And meanwhile, Brahma was just like,, God, I'm so exhausted with this.

Oh, really? Maybe we can spend another two hours of you crying that Lisa Barlow wasn't nice enough to you in the beginning of the show. Come on. Well, he said that I use my son, his sexuality and his community to my maximum advantage. And I believe what was cut out from the episode

is he also said my son's Banana Republic card and guess what? I have my own too. And Andy's like, well, Sean, what do you think? Do you think that she started this rumor? And he's like, look, first of all, it's not who started the rumor because the rumor has been around forever.

Okay, so that's not the right question. And it's not like I live there, but I mean, come on. It's a gorgeous, but I mean, come on. It's a gorgeous, perfectly manicured, hot guy that works out a ton and carries around Louis Vuitton bags and only cares about fashion. Of course. And his wife is Angie Kay. And his wife is Angie Kay.

His wife looks like Cher. He's married to Cher lookalike. Of course the allegations have been out there. So it's not about who made the accusation. It's about who brought it on camera. I think that that's the big thing. The person who brought it on camera is Whitney, period. I mean, it was Monica too,

but Whitney was in cahoots with Monica and Whitney was the first one, Whitney had the first line. So I say go for Whitney. This is stupid for Meredith and Angie to be fighting over this like crazy. It is. I agree.

And so he's like, you know, this was in a different context. You know, the way I saw it looking from the outside, it was her and Monica had something to do with it. And during that time, you know, you must be able to understand how we could have thought or I could have thought that like, you know, that was maybe a backpedal. And that was like my perception of the time. And, you know, look, at the end of the day, I didn't know you well enough to take your word for it at the time I just knew you were just someone who seemed instantly iconic and who I would love to see perform at a club some night you know maybe doing some show tunes that's all I could think of when I saw you that's it look as somebody who doesn't do crossword puzzles and instead just draws your face over every single

one of them I get and mutters things to myself while I eat cereal like, icon, mother, icon. I would never want to upset you, Meredith. Okay? It's like, okay, well, maybe we just need to clarify things that, Sean. And he's like, well, it's about earning each other's trust and developing trust. It's about a circle, a circle where we stand together and we just try not to be jerks with each other. But if jerks do happen upon the circle, wait a minute. So, it's like, why are my pants unzipped? All right, well, Merrimuth, what do you think about what Sean just said? Well, my reaction

to that is that his wife was told at Apres Ski and again at Greek Easter that I didn't do this. So, the podcast that was six to eight months after that and the only person who brought this up was Monica. And Monica flat out said the day she brought it up and then again at Greek Easter that I didn't do it. So, I don't know why I keep believing that why they keep believing that I did. Pete And Heather's like, here's the question. Why isn't she just absolved? When are we going to forgive? When do we as human beings learn that forgiveness is what we're going for? Does Jesus need to come back down, die on the cross again? What needs to happen?

Pete I love when Heather monologues, she puts her finger up and sends it on like a model train like a virtual like model train track. She goes around in a circle. She's like, we are all guilty of talking at Greek Easter. We are all guilty of rumors and we cannot let this come between us. We are a sisterhood and we are in the trenches together. And you know why you have to remember that in prime data, we were like ready to throw her over the boat. And Meredith is like, well, let me just say, I'm going to go through my phone again. So she starts scrolling. And Angie goes, but at Opryski she leaned in and said when Meredith

was flying off the handle, she said she was saying this, meaning you Meredith. And a week later she backpedaled and said it wasn't Meredith it was a great belief. No, at Apres Ski she said it was never Meredith. At Apres Ski I was sitting there and I heard it with my own that you have only ears you have to pull the audio on that. Okay, this is not fair to me you have to pull the audio on that. By the way they've mentioned Apres Ski so many times I thought that Bravo was going to literally reboot their show Oprechski. I can't even respond to that because it just depressed me. I was like, please don't do this to us. It's like, please don't do this to us.

Actually, that was a decent show. So Lisa's like, well, she said it was never Meredith, you know, because I went to Meredith and I clocked her. Okay. I was like, you shouldn't have said this, Meredith. You know, I literally like scald like Meredith and Andrew's like, go back. I screenshot the text caption and it said she is saying, and that's what she led me to believe. Yeah, but it's just said she, it doesn't, I don't know the evidence. This is exhausting. I can see why they're talking.

It is. It's because it's so, it's really is so stupid. And he's like, all right, well, Angie, guess what? Not only did you get sin or snowflake, not only did you get first aid at the reunion, guess what? Control room is backing you up and saying that Angie is correct. Congratulations, the trifecta, you got production behind you. And Heather's like, wait, so Monica told you

it came from Meredith? And Andy's like, okay, but then Monica also said that it didn't come from her.'s like, wait, so Monica told you it came from Meredith. And then he's like, okay. But then Monica also said that it didn't come from her. So we, do we believe Monica or don't we believe Monica? But that, yeah, I just, I don't know. And Meredith is like, Monica at opera ski. I looked at Monica. I said, why are you saying this?

And she said, you did not say it was that scene on the shop. It was on the show. Am I the only person? And I'm kind of glad, like I'm exhausted by the whole thing, but I'm kind of glad that she's not letting it go because she's like, it's on camera that I didn't say it. Why are you still insinuating that I'm saying it? You saying like, well, if she did, I can't prove it either way, so I'll just forgive her anyway. That does her no favors. Just say you didn't say it. Or that you know that she didn't say it.

I do also think it's wild that that Angie and Sean are still on this because I think no one who watched the show ever believed that Meredith said this, that Meredith started this rumor. Meredith, when they asked her like, what'd you hear? She said, this is what people are saying. But she wasn't saying it in a way of like, well, guess what, everyone, I want to tell everyone here's what I hear. It wasn't like a here's what I hear. It's like, well, you want to hear like the shit that people are saying. This is what people have said. It wasn't not in like a I did not take it as a vicious rumor mongering kind of way.

And I am like shocked that watching the season back that Angie and Sean are still feeling that way. Yeah. And it's, well, it's frustrating because it's one of the Real Housewives tropes of like, you just stay mad at the first thing that you were ever mad at with somebody, right? So they're not even really fighting about this. They're fighting about just in general why they don't like each other.

And I think also it's a thing on this show where there's so many lies. I mean, we see it right now with Real Housewives of New York where you've got two cast members who all they do is fucking lie, Aaron and Brion. All they do is lie, but they lie about each other and try and start fights. So we see it there. But before that, you would get maybe one or two lies a year. But now it's like a cook off. It's a normie story. They're lying. They're all lying. Like Whitney is bringing out her phone with this rumor

that that one fucked that person. Then Whitney's also bringing up the rumor of the gay thing. And then Whitney's, you know, Whitney also brought up the rumor of the jizz for jazz thing. You know, this is all fucking Whitney, by the way, now that I go over it. Every single one of these is Whitney. Yeah, I think that you are onto something there. Look, the lies that I'm okay with,

that I think are fun on the housewives, is when someone tells a little fib to improve their reputation, to sort of like like maybe like, you know, they want to, they're kind of lying to kind of like, you know, make it sound like their business is doing better than it is, their marriage is doing a little bit better because those lies always come out and then they get, they dig deeper and deeper and the stupid little fib becomes a giant snowball and it goes wild and becomes a mess. The lies I don't like are when Brynn like blatantly lies about what someone said because now you're being,

you're being an unreliable narrator to your castmates and to the audience. And that's not cool. But if you are going to like, if the lie comes from your own vanity, I am all for it because that's hilarious. And it always gets totally blown up in their faces. Yes, agreed. But here we go. We're still on about it. So they're kind of snapping over each other, Meredith and Angie, just incessantly and over stupid shit.

And Sean's like, Andy, this is why it's really hard to trust anything. I know, but it's also your wife that's doing it. I love Angie, but it's not like Angie is so innocent in this. So Angie's also still snapping and he's, but he says it more in a way of just like, I don't know how you fucking do this every day. This is exhausting. You know, Sean looks like he wants to cry. He's just like, this is so much.

I just want to go back to this lawn and do a blowout. So then Meredith is like, I mean, and this is never going to end until you actually play the audio. I'm not Andy. I'm getting angry. I'm Andy, I'm getting angry. I'm like, you're getting angry. I thought, I think we've been there for the past 10 minutes on this show.

You've given yourself a concussion, lady. Your neck is swinging, your head is swinging around so much. She's like, in fact, in fact, in fact, I think I am finished. If you won't play the audio from the clip, then I am absolutely. I was like, are you in a washing machine? She looks like she's on spin cycles.

This one, is she standing now? Cause at some point she stands up and is not pointing. I don't remember when she stands up. Yeah, it's right here. Cause he's like, wait a minute, look at me. Do not go away. She's like, the whole reason I came here was for me. He's like, we've established that you didn't start this. Are you saying that I started this? Are you saying that I have an eating disorder Andy with my disability? He's like I literally said nothing. Oh really you think that I'm now using Brooks's gayness to get an advantage. Thanks a lot Andy. I did not. I did not come here for this. And Andy's like Meredith they just said in the control this. And then she's like, Meredith,

they just said in the control room that you said she's, that Monica said, she said this, how am I supposed to feel? And she's like, and Andy's like, no, but then she also said, I mean, come on, we're dealing with Monica. Why do we have to keep showing Monica? And I, you have to have to Monica for a one season wonder, she is still in this show.

Like she's still, she's, She caused so much mayhem that she's still in the reunion a year later. Trey Lockerbie And how is it that they, and also given that, how do they not realize, why do they never have a moment where they say, wow, Monica said this to me and she said this to you? Wow, she really was messing with us. How did these two women not realize this? Pete Slauson Yeah, because it's not about her. It's just about hating each other, you know? And like trying to make it look like the other person's a liar. So Andy's like, but, but you know,

I mean, you're dealing with an unreliable person. I mean, tell me about it. But Andy's, Andy's the best one to speak on that because you are the like ringleader of the housewives. He's like, if even I'm saying it, that's pretty bad. By the way, stay tuned for Rooney, another amazing episode guys, trust me. So Meredith is like, she's like, well, unless I know that you're going to play that audio and apres school ski when Monica very clearly says, Meredith didn't say it. I did. I did. So Sean's like, hey, Meredith, Meredith Meredith don't leave don't leave let's resolve this also can I get an autograph real quick before you go

thanks so much he's like Meredith Meredith turn around every now and then I get a little hey Meredith Meredith Meredith I need a hero I need a lady who comes in with a robe she likes to take take baths and she has a cute son. And also she's just really cool in everything she does. I need a hero. Oh God, please stop the non-gay person from trying to sing gay covers. I can't. And by the way, Angie has an unwarranted mingle vendetta against me. I don't know why. And she goes, oh, I do. And Meredith's like, Meredith, please don't leave. Please, please don't leave. This is exhausting. Can we just finish this? And then Sean's like,

well, I think there's a little bit in forth with these two. And she's like, no, if I'm a liar, I will not stay. But Meredith is doing that thing where she's walking off, but not really walking off. And she's wearing a Pajamina with a fur lining. And she says, she keeps like turning around and flipping the Pashmina like she's going to storm off, but she doesn't. So she just looks crazy. She's just like flipping it around and then flipping her head back around and then flipping it back around. It's so funny. I just want to put like some champagne glasses to get dusted, you know? Yeah. Just wait for it. Whip back around. I think it's time for Meredith to be cast on next season of the traders. I'm just gonna put that out there. I think she would be very, very funny on it. Assuming they don't vote her off first. So Andy goes, okay, hold on. There was one moment where

Monica said to Angie, she's saying this, meaning you, and we see it. And then Angie's like, and then there's another moment where Monica said, Meredith is not saying this. And then we see that. So Angie's like, how do you know what Meredith is even talking about? She's like, well, I didn't hear it from Meri- oh, Monica, oh, sorry, I'm reading the flashback. But basically what happens is they show the footage and Meredith is like, that's correct. And Angie's like, well, the story changed. Okay.

So the story changed. She said both on camera and Meredith is like, well, she never said Meredith said it. And she said, she said it. Oh my God. I'm absolutely fucking exhausted. So then we see the clip of Monica saying, well, she's saying that his boyfriends need to be quiet because they're out here in the streets of Salt Lake City talking about fucking your husband. Okay. So yeah. Oh my gosh. So then,

then Andy's basically like, but the most important thing is no, she told her on camera, this is what Meredith is saying. But the most important thing is she's the one who brought it up. You never brought it up I'm agreeing with you Meredith. Thank you. Thank you So she's like finally got what she wanted she has been vindicated she got the clips played and Monica's also excited because she got to be on TV again. So good for her and now he's like, alright I'm going to move forward. Watch your tone. Excuse me? Watch your tone. Excuse. You can stop that now, John. You can stop it. You did good though. Okay. We'll give him a new line later, Andy.

Okay. Go ahead. All right. So, um, John, uh, John and Justin, the night of the mob wives party, the fight between you two escalated pretty quickly. When you watched it back, did it play the way you remembered it? And Justin, do you regret not having any upper skin above your lips, above your teeth? How does that feel? John's like, yeah, I'm pretty embarrassed

for the second reaction when I like flopped myself right in front of Justin and it was like really embarrassing. And everyone in America laughed at my strange, my strange motions. It wasn't to start a fight or anything. It was mainly to kind of diffuse the situation. And obviously I didn't. And Justin's like, I didn't raise my voice. I just like leaned forward and I was like, what's she lying about? So, you know, I mean, the second time was more aggressive, but I really mean it that way. You know, I just, it was a question, you know, and it just threw me off. You know, it was actually worse in my mind than it was on TV. And no, it was bad on TV too, but I liked that the

guys are just like, nah, we're guys. We're done. And also the guys are so kind of, I don't want to say gaslit because that's not the right way to put it, but it's just like, you better stand up for me tonight, as we know, because later in this episode, Justin does not stand up for Whitney. He was confronted about it and she just gives stink eye the rest of the time. But, you know, they just want you to stand up for them. And so they try and do it. And then they just look like idiots because they don't even know what's going on.

It's so confusing, especially on this show. It's such chaos. You don't even know who to stand up for. So just stand back. You know? Yeah. All right, John. In Mexico, Whitney revealed that you and Lisa allegedly participated in a threesome.

Are there any videos? Can you share them with me? I won't show anyone. And she's like, it was a rumor. It was a rumor. And Andy's like, well, had you heard that rumor before? He's like, uh, no, I mean, no. Okay, well Lisa, you associated Sean's name with circle jerks while in Mexico. Yes, I did. Yes, I did. He's like, God, I'm never gonna get rid of this, Sean. He just looks so bewildered, like, I'm never going to get rid of this.

There were things to be accused of. Yeah, exactly. So Lisa's like, okay, here's what happened for real, for real, guys, for real, for real, for real. Okay, I can't even articulate a sentence because I'm so upset, but I was like, how would you feel if someone said this about Sean? How would you feel if someone said this about Sean? How would you feel if someone said this about you? He was like, yeah, but like she already knows how that feels because people keep accusing me of being part of circle jerks.

And he's like, well, it wasn't an analogy. It's just, yeah, it was an analogy, like 100 percent. Like I don't think that, you know, and I know you don't participate in circle jerks. I know you don't. I mean, I think you don't. Maybe you do. It would be fun if you did. I mean, you know what? Could someone pass these, could someone pass this handsome desert over to Sean just in case because they care about you. You know what? I didn't even know what a circle truck was until two weeks ago. It's something about Caribbean food, right? So Andy's like, um, Whitney wants to say something to John. Yeah, I'm sorry for bringing you into that, John. I know based on this last year, the meanest thing that I've done to Lisa is talk about your marriage and I wanted to burn that

with you. I apologize. And the thing that I regret most about our friendship is lying. Whitney, you're so full of shit. So, you want, the worst thing you ever did was talk about her marriage. So, you wanted to apologize by bringing a brand new rumor up about her marriage and putting it out there. She's so full of shit and she gets away with it again, because John's just like, I mean, I forgive you. It would be easier for both of us to forgive you together because then we'd be three in a forgiveness circle. We could all be, Sean's like, stop, I'm getting a heart on. Okay. So then Whitney's like, yeah, I'm really sorry about it. So Lisa just goes, I appreciate that. And also, John, I didn't get the opportunity to apologize to you. He's like, thanks. She goes, and I'm sorry. And just kind

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when Seth called her a biatch? And then we see a clip of, proof, biatch. Justin's like, okay, cause I had just committed to myself that I was not gonna get involved in the drama. Like that morning it happened Andy. And like, I had my own little meditation of like, okay, I'm just going to enjoy this moment. And honestly, when he did it, it was kind of funny. I did enjoy the moment. So

until I say it, like I didn't, you know, I didn't, I didn't, I saw, I didn't realize how aggressive it was. So I do regret not having a voice in that moment in time, but also kind of hilarious. Seth, what do you think? And Seth's like, well, I thought it was aggressive, but I think that's a fair assessment, you know, but we started getting wasted at Todd's, you know, on the bow. You know, he had a really good $500 on Yeho, so, you know, I was a bit impaired. It was a limited batch of Werther's original on Yeho, so it was very special to share it with the men.

Then, you know, you've got Sean, it seemed like he was being dishonest and you got Meredith telling me he was calling my son you know but look when I say what's up beotch I mean when I see John I say what's up beotch it's like saying what's up dog you know so what's up beotch and hey Chloe Chloe, it's like Brooks. Hey, dad's on TV doing the biatch. Oh my God. Oh, I told him to stop it. I'm like so cringe.

Like the other day he went into like Dick's boarding house. Gross, ew. Like, biatch. Like, double gross. Like seriously. Why would you go in there and then why would you say, hey biatch? Remember when they thought that my,

when I was born and they put biatch on my birth certificate cause dad went, you did it biatch. And we had to get it changed. It like took till I was five. My first memory was coming out of mother's mother room and hearing the words biatch. They told me I was the first baby that ever tried to crawl back in. So awkward. I'm so embarrassed.

Cringe. Gross. But why did you feel like you needed to say that to me and be so aggressive in my face? He was not in your face. He was like down the table from you. And he did say biatch and not bitch. And I think those are two big differences. Could he have used better words? Yes. But here we go again of the men trying to stand up for their wives and failing miserably and then getting victim shit thrown on top of them because now he said the B word to a lady. So it's like, Oh my God, Seth, I can't stand up for you on this one. Yeah. I can't stand up for, I mean, it was such a cringy moment. I'm not going to stand

up for Seth, but what I will say is the way it really read to me was he like, you like as someone that this happens to a lot where sometimes you don't stick the landing to like your joke or your moment and you just accidentally, nothing about that. You know, sometimes like you overshoot and I think that he kind of like overshot, Sean knows a lot about that. Gotten a lot on other people's shoes. Oh man, I'm never going to live this down. So I'm not there to defend Seth, but I also can empathize because I've definitely been there.

We've had that biatch moment where like, Oh, that came out so much harder and I was trying to be funny and it just landed like awfully. So I get it. Yeah. So Whitney is like, yeah, but like I felt like you were aggressive in my face and he goes, no excuse for name calling. No excuse. Okay.

Because you jumped in. That's why stupid. Because you jumped in. If you don't want to catch straight biatches, don't jump in, dummy. And Meredith is like, well, he can answer too. And so it's like, well, it was not intended the way that Angie just called my wife a bitch. Or yeah. Wait, he didn't say that, didn't.

No, he did. He said, well, it wasn't intended like the way that Angie, the way Angie just called my wife a bitch twice in fact, yeah, bitch, bitch. He's basically saying like, you call my wife a bitch. So like that was much worse than me saying biatch. Right. And she's like, oh, wait a minute, Angie called me a bitch. Well, I will, unless we roll that footage, I am leaving. He's like, yeah, she called you a bitch twice while I was sitting right here. Well, that's abusive, according to your husband, so I guess you're an abuser.

Case closed. So Seth, you're not sorry then? He just said he was sorry with me, for fuck's sake. Get with the program. She's just poking up behind Bronwyn's dress like, wait a minute, you're not sorry. Okay, Todd, I've been really wanting to ask you your reaction to seeing Bronwyn share with the ladies

in Mexico the story of your emotional affair. He's like, well, I have to apologize because I haven't seen it, Andy. Oh, bullshit. He's watching. You really haven't watched the scene of your wife accusing you of infidelity on national TV? Really?

Okay. Yeah, but we talked about it, Andy. It's just, it's hard to watch. Literally, it's hard to watch. We've tried all sorts of plugins on that Palm pilot. We just cannot watch it on his device. I've tried drawing it out for him a few times because really the only form of communication he accepts is Palm pilots or just cave drawings. So,

we attached a rabbit ears to the Palm pilot didn't work. So Todd is like, he's like, well, anything that Bronwyn had shared would be more than I would have wanted her to share. Now I'm just going to cross my arms and sit here very seriously for the next 10 minutes. I'm going to bite my bottom lip and stare at the floor if anybody needs me. So Seth goes, so is only emotional biatch. See, I say it to everybody. Do it to everybody, guys. And Brahma was like, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. You know, yeah, I wouldn't even say it's an emotional affair, right? Which I never said. I mean, it's not even an emotional affair. I said that from the beginning. Am I right? Right. Exactly. Exactly.

You know, so, you know, there's a lot of people that Todd has different conversations with. You know, one time he asked the Starbucks lady for extra cream and I got very upset. I would not talk to a Starbucks person like that. I did not like that. And you know, it was something like that. Something like that. You know, one of my issues is I just feel like I'm not good enough. So when I see him take a latte from a barista, yeah, it does. It does trigger feelings that I'm not good enough and I'm not proud of it. I'm not saying I'm proud of it, but it's something I do. It's something I feel something I'm working through something I'm working through with Gwen Gwendolyn Yes, and I am just you know going through it

But that is my truth and I have to be honest my truth right now. How did they not play a clip of her going? What about? Well, nobody's asking about me and all them fidelities I've gone through in my marriage out of nowhere." When the conversation was like, hey, you know, what do you think of Dux? Oh my God, I love Dux. What about my infidelities in my marriage? It's like, whoa, that came out of fucking nowhere.

And she's like sobbing and throwing this big fit about it. How did we not get a clip of that? Come on, man. Maybe we will when Brittany comes out because if if you remember, it was Ron Wynn stealing Brittany's moment, which is like, guys, I have an announcement. My daughter, she woke up this morning and had Cheerios and like, well, let me tell you something, Todd cheated on me. Yeah. It's just like, and she was volunteering that information out of nowhere,

which was bizarre. I guess she wanted to talk about it, but also like get people on her side. I don't know what she was doing in that moment, but this kind of did change my opinion of it because before I was, well, I don't know, my opinions changed 20 times just every time they show a different editor of it. But this is making me feel like, Oh, so he a hundred percent had an affair then. Like a full on fledged, probably has another wife somewhere because it's too much of a, it's too much of a back battle. It's too much. And just the way that he's freaking out about it. Like he's very nervous. He's looking at the floor. She totally got in trouble about bringing it up and yeah,

it looks like he's actually about to cry about it. And she just keeps turning behind him going, you're okay. You're okay, God, you can do this. I love that. So then we see a flashback of the scene and then we come back and Heather's like, I rallied hard for you. In this sisterhood, we rallied for each other. People don't understand what happens here

in this room between us, but we all understand we are in the trenches together and we are rallying. I'm like, okay, settle down Heather. You rallied for her. She's like, you rallied for her because you knew you were just collecting information to use against her at the reunion. So then she's like, you know, come on, babe.

When we were on the boat, you wept and you said he'd been disloyal and you'd caught him in an affair. So what are you talking about now? And then we do see that clip of Bronwyn telling the girls that Gwen was the one who found it because she was looking over at the iPad, at his iPad and saw that he'd been texting another woman.

Right. So Heather says after that, that I rallied hard for you and she's like, so did he do it or did he not do it? And Bronwyn's like, okay, I want to be very clear about this by talking about something else and not being clear about it. Okay. So when I said this to you on the boat, it was not happening in real time.

What I was trying to explain to you is that I have an issue where I don't feel good enough. And there is a significant amount of things in my life that have not made me feel good enough being a single parent, being ostracized from the church, being terrorized by Heather Gay. And when I felt like everything I said in this group of women was misconstrued or misunderstood or looked at negatively, it does trigger this narrative that I'm not good enough. And that brings me back to a time when I didn't feel good enough when Todd, when he said a passing word to a stranger and had an emotional affair in that moment.

And I just wanted to clarify that, that's all. And she ends it by going, well, I said to you very clearly, no, stop nodding at me. You said to me very clearly that your husband was cheating on you and your daughter was the one who found out about it, period. People can start going over the semantics of, well, she only said it was emotional, that's also cheating. Or it was only text, that's also cheating, whatever it is. You were the one who brought your husband's infidelity on camera and now are pretending

that it didn't happen or everybody misconst on camera and now we're pretending that it didn't happen or everybody misconstrued you or we're just all too stupid to hear it. It doesn't matter the semantics of whether it was emotional or whether his FUPA was around somebody else's FUPA. Okay, you cheated. So Lisa has a good point because she goes, well, this is where it's confusing because you helped me very accountable for not being like, fuck Todd.

And then you guys, then now you're saying that like, you know, you not like you just had like a conversation because well, I didn't want you to say fuck Todd. And she's like, but where did it, but at least it's like, but like where you said, maybe Lisa can relate to Todd because maybe she's cheated. And she's, and basically she's like, you basically were mad at me and Meredith for like, quote unquote, taking Todd's side and then implying that we cheated. When it turns out this was all over,

like an emotional affair that wasn't even that much of an emotional affair. And by the way, she wasn't the one who said you cheated. Guess who, guess who said it? You guys are gonna be shocked. Whitney was the one who said it. Fucking Whitney again. Who was also getting off the concrete.

It was all always. This is the revelation who was also getting off scot-free. It was all- This is the revelation. Everything is Whitney. It's always Whitney. Monica got to take the heat last year for all of Whitney's bullshit because she was horrible. But Whitney was starting all that shit with Monica last year and Whitney totally got off scot-free.

So Meredith, thank God, was like, well, you all co-signed it. That was not a cute conversation. And Lisa's like, I saw it with my own two eyes you all co-signed it. That was not a cute conversation. And Lisa's like, I saw it with my own two eyes. You co-signed, you know what? And I wouldn't say anything bad. And in fact, I said, Todd's gonna be upset when he watches us. And I helped Bronwyn to let you know

that I was here for you, but I'm not gonna talk badly about your husband. And Meredith is like, well, I have a bad problem here. Bad, bad, well, I have a bad problem here. Bang, bang, pull back the clip. So Bronwyn is like, well, when Todd and I talked this through, Todd gave me a fifth anniversary gift and it was a ring with five diamonds and also five new promises. I'm like Bronwyn, like, if there's an emotional there. Yeah.

So we fucking cheated. He's not going to, he's not going to give you a ring with five promises because you feel like Luigi in the Mario world. You know what I mean? Like, he stuck his dick in somebody. So just stop. And I don't like, I don't understand that mentality. Like, Oh, I'm, I cheated. So here I'm going to give you something that you can put on your ring. So whenever you look at it, you can remember the time that I cheated on you. You know what I would want? I would want not five promises.

How about five sessions of therapy? How about that instead? So how about five zaps on your dick from like a zap, you know, a police zapper. That's what I want. You little fucker. Five zaps. And also you don't understand the gift. I mean, listen, if anybody is curious about how often men cheat on their women, all you

really need to do is look at how many flower shops there are in the world. Because they're so prevalent that you can even get that shit at the grocery store. Okay? All the times. There's only so many dead people, you know what I mean? Yeah. Andy's like, so what were the five promises?

Oh, well, support, love, fidelity, and matlock. Matlock on Tuesdays. And transparency, transparency, that was one Todd, and Todd forgot that one, that's great. Well, guess what? I have a new delivery on the way, so it'll be fun. And get a new ring over this one. Well, Meredith was upset because Whitney, in that conversation, you basically inferred

that Lisa and Meredith had affairs. So we see that flashback and Meredith, we come out of it and Meredith is like, well, my intentions were very clearly to be supportive of you. And it was not even questionable. And then the next thing I know, you're having a pow wow with three other women and it results in me and Lisa being accused of cheating. And now I'm just hearing that this wasn't really that big of a deal. It wasn't that big of an affair. Wasn't this and that and the other. Well,

don't hold me accountable, man." And that's what's so frustrating about it because you have the scene where she's literally just telling the other girls Bronwyn, she's like, well, it seems like they were on Todd's side. I mean, they're taking up for Todd. Well, what's the problem with that if he didn't do anything? Like if he did anything? If he just talks funny to somebody at the Starbucks, I mean, come on lady. So yeah, she's like, well, if it's not a big deal, then why is it a big deal? How I reacted to it, which I think is a good point. But I think that actually Bronwyn does a really good job here. She saves it, I think. She

does a full head nodding. Well, she's very good at this. Yeah. She did a full head nodding culpability moment. She goes, you know, when we got off the boat, I was very upset and I'd just been very vulnerable and it didn't seem like it went super well. And I came to both of you that night and I said, I don't feel good about it. And then you and I also had another conversation

on the beach the next day after it. And you know, it was after horse riding and I specifically said, and I really appreciate that. And you gave me your point of view and it was very vulnerable of you to share and something that I need to take into consideration. So she was kind of like, yes, but also I know I messed up. I already told you I messed up and it's not my fault

the editors didn't even include the scene that we're about to see until right now. Well, now we're starting to see why Meredith is having a fit about the editing too. Because she's like, you guys have made me look stupid over and over again and you're not going to fucking do it again. Roll the tape.

You know? And so I'm starting to see what she's talking about because now we see the scene of Bronwyn apologizing there, you know, just like she said. Meredith is saying, well, when you're saying I wasn't supportive, I was like, what could I have done? And Bronwyn was saying, no, what you said was not wrong in any way, Meredith. I'm so sorry. I should have just been quiet and listened to you because it was good advice. It was good advice, Meredith, and I should have listened to you. It was actually a nice scene because Brahma was like, I was in my feelings. You were right.

I was not in a place to hear it, but now I hear it now and everything. So it was actually, I actually thought it was, it made me happy because I feel like nothing's getting resolved in this reunion. And this was a moment where it seemed like there was resolve because Meredith was like, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you for that. I was like, Oh my goodness, we finally got somewhere. Yeah. And then so Andy, and then Heather goes, but that's not what happened. Like, am I taking crazy pills here? Because this is not what happened. But I'm not sure exactly what she's saying about it.

I don't know what she means because I don't make it clear. But they just, Andy's like, please, let's move on, please. And Brahman goes, but you know what, Heather, it's what happened for me. It's what happened for me. That's my truth. And that's the problem with my truth people right there. That's what happened to me. It's what happened for me. That's my truth. And that's the problem with my truth people right there. It's what happened to me. That's how I felt it happened. So I don't think that's the problem with them, but that's just my truth. Just kidding. So

Andy is like, all right, Todd, Ron would reveal that Gwen was the one who caught you messaging another woman. Ha ha ha. That must have been hard." And he's like, Lisa's like, I'm going to look at the floor here. And she reaches back and grabs his leg and slaps Whitney in the face with her dress. She's like, You're okay. Do you want to put her scotch? Yes, I do. So then Andy's like, Okay. Well, Angie, you said in Mexico, you learned more about Bronwyn's marriage on the yacht than you knew about Lisa's entire life. Do you think that Lisa only opens up about safe topics and

not about what's really going on? You know, watching that and watching her cry, I felt really bad. It was like leaving the moosaka in the oven too long. And what I was trying to say, Bronwyn barely knew any of us and she divulged a lot of information. I mean, like she put her whole life out there and that's a risk as a couple to do that. Well, to be fair,

Lisa put a lot of Bronwyn's life out there too. If that counts for anything. Well, to be fair, Lisa put a lot of Brahman's life out there too. If that counts for anything. Fair point. Mary's like, Mary's like barely said anything because well, she's has a big moment coming up soon, but she's like, well, that's why everyone loves her. That's why people love Brahman. She's a fan favorite.

And Angie is like, basically Angie is saying like, you know, she put herself out there. It was like a lot more. But she also like, she does apologize to Lisa and like didn't mean to be a dick about it. But then they start talking over each other. Yeah. And she's like, you know, I felt bad for her. But when I walked away, you know, I guess I talked to Lisa every day,

but we don't complain about our husbands. We're not like that. And Lisa's day, but we don't complain about our husbands. We're not like that." And Lisa's like, what was it, Doug? So then they start snapping over each other. And then it's like, be so so pa, be so so pa, be so so pa. Okay, we got a lot of tweets wanting to know, what is the status of Seth and Meredith's relationship? We saw you in Ohio a lot, are you two living separate lives? How often are you together? What's happening? Does anyone know more information about Shawn's circle jerk?

Well, contrary to what Angie and Whitney and Heather to an extent do, Heather, I'm cool with you, but still, disappointingly, Seth and I are monogamous. We do not cheat. We have a beautiful marriage that sometimes has bumps in the road or one being short of a fine bean salad if you know what I mean. And if everyone, if someone tells you their marriage is perfect 100% of the time, they are lying. Well when I kind of do an annual review of our marriage you know it's as long as it's above an average of 51 percent of the time I'm staying in the game Andy. That's a pretty low bar honey. Well it kind of helps that we're like not you're not well not physically together

right? Yeah Andy the fact that we're not together a lot often I highly recommend communicating so it feels like a first date on the weekends for me so I see her every weekend and sometimes more than that well look you know I saw people online accused Brian when and I had the same thing so what you know what give me a break already you know he doesn't stay at home I don't stay at home what I don't stay at home. What are you going to do? Here's what you do. Go up to Starbucks and tell the lady you like her dress. Then give her your number. Maybe she'll text you a free coffee or something.

Todd? Todd? No, no, bad. The necklace. The lady, Emma comes in with a brand new necklace. She's like, here you go. So, Seth, got Twitter questions. Do you have a side chicken in Ohio? Oh, my God, I got Levi Asta. He's like, No, I

definitely don't. A side chicken. I don't understand that some sort of chicken is eating chicken in Ohio. I don't understand the question Andy. Chicken is actually an entree Andy. And so Seth just raises both his hand and goes, this is the side jig Andy, this is the side jig, this is my be-aught right here in my hand, chew, I got chew.

And they're like, wow, classy, that's real classy Seth, jeez. Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe He's like, okay, Sean, how do you feel about seeing Seth hold his hands up like that? Does that give you any memories of any experiences? I'm never going to live this down. Meredith, Brom was like, Meredith, you should turn your hearing aids off for this. I'm surprised Meredith was like, oh, really? Well, if we're going to go after my disability. All right. I want to thank the husbands for being here. Special shout out for Todd. You Well, if we're going to go after mine, just, you know,

all right. I want to thank the husbands for being here. Special shout out for Todd. You did it. You almost cried. I almost broke you. It didn't quite get there, but next year looking forward to it. And John, I hope to see you again. And hopefully next time we can come together. Okay. Uh, see you guys. So they all stand up to leave and the Brahms was like, hey, Todd, we might just want to hold on a sec. Let John walk off because you guys have a little spiciness. I mean, that was unnecessary for him to tell you to watch your mouth. He's the one who needs to watch his and he needs to watch his wife's. He's like, you see what she does?

This is her. She's like, bye. You're not going to go backstage and make friends with the guys now. Don't forget why you're mad at him and also tell him to tell his wife to shut the fuck up too. Okay, you're excused, goodbye. Yes. So now we move into the Mary Cosby section,

which was really, we talked about this at the top of the episode. It's like a beautiful, moving, emotional section that honestly, probably not so easy for us to make fun of. it's like a beautiful, moving, emotional section that, honestly, probably not so easy for us to make fun of. So we can just do a high level recap of basically what happened at, which is that essentially Robert, they talked about, you know, Robert going to rehab, doing really, really well now,

Mary being a great role model for people. And it was, I mean, like everyone was crying, like Andy's crying. I was crying watching it, you know, it was like, it was a hard watch. Yeah. Basically it was a talk about addiction and addiction with family members. And they were saying the fact that she was having those discussions on TV was good because it was de-stigmatizing, because that's something that people just don't want to talk about. You either excuse it to the point where the person, they weren't saying this, but I was thinking it. When you see it on reality TV, it's like either someone's an addict and they're excused from everything because it's

like a blanket, like they're a victim kind of mentality, or it's kind of like an attack and a judgment and this and that, but there's never just honest conversations about it and how it does happen to people that you love that you would never think it's going to happen to, that you can't understand how it happened to or why. And there's a change in people when it happens. And it's just really fascinating to watch them talk about it so openly and also to remember how much addiction has affected this cast. Angie lost her parent to addiction when she was very young. And then you've got Whitney, who hasn't talked to her dad since season one, so Whitney sobbing

because she's like, I'm trying to explain it to my children. And so having them be able to watch this kind of gives them a window into what addiction looks like to other family members and how it affects. So it was all really, really nice, really well done. And I'm actually glad, not for the recap sake, but I'm glad for the show's sake that it went on for a good 15 minutes. I mean, it was a long segment. Pete It was a long one. It was really a beautiful moment. Like, it was really very compelling to watch. Angie broke down because she, because Mary told Mary told Angie, like if your mom could do it all again,

she would have done it differently. And that really affected Angie. I don't, it was something that Angie, I think really needed to hear. And so that was like a very raw moment for her. And then Whitney obviously breaking down about her dad. I mean, that must be really tough. And I liked hearing the stories about how Heather watched the scene with her daughters. Whitney watched it with her kids, and the scene inspired them to have conversations with their kids about it, which I think is actually so incredibly important.

And I hope, and I imagine a lot of parents watching it also maybe watch that scene with their kids because it was really powerful. But it's like, you know, we used to have after school specials and not like after school specials fix anything, but there were like a we used to have afterschool specials and not like afterschool specials fix anything, but there was like a lot of attention to these moments, I feel like growing up. And I don't know if they really exist anymore. And it was kind of, I think it was important

for a good like parent child gather around the TV moment that hopefully can help kids and like give them that moment. Help pause. Guys, let's all gather around the TV to watch Real Housewives of Salt Lake City call each other's husbands, gay circle jerkers before we get to a good drug addiction part. All right. Go for it. It's the thing that causes someone to just have a moment of doubt or pause before they do something reckless. Bobby really understands now. Bobby, let's show a clip of Bobby understanding. Yeah, I just had a mountain doing a Dr. Pepper

mix with some whipped cream on top. That was real good talking about it. Hey mom, what's a circle jerk? Now let me pour some coffee mate into my mountain dew and some Italian syrup. No, but it was really, it was beautiful. It was also interesting to hear how Robert senior reacted, which was that he commended Mary, which was also great. Like I didn't know what his reaction would be. Well, yeah, you're waiting for granddaddy over there to see what he says.

And he was like, good job. And I'm proud of you. And she says that he never says that kind of stuff to her. So it was nice. Okay, curtains closed. So then Andy's like, so one thing I was noticing while watching this is Meredith seemed to be giving really dirty looks during this whole thing. And it's just because it's Meredith's face, which is very hard to read. But everyone else is crying and nodding and everything being said, and Meredith is just kind of sitting there giving a dirty look. But I think it's because Angie and kept talking the whole time about like how close she is

with Mary and their best friends and Mary is like, I've never had a friend like Angie. And it becomes this thing about their love for each other and like how bonded they are. And I was like, oh, that's why Meredith is pissed because now we get into the Meredith part and she's just sitting there like, I was friends with us, but for how long and now, you know? Well, that's what, because Mary was like, yeah, I've never had a friend like Angie and because Andy's like, wow, you know, Mary, you really were, you were like dialed in and like you were so much more present. And Mary's like, well, because for the first time I finally

had a friend and finally someone who would listen to me and finally someone who understood me. And they just kept on cutting to Meredith. Like, I want to get mad at her, but she just had her whole scene with her about her son. So I'm just going to figure this one out. And Andy's like, well, I don't want to start anything. Just kidding. I do. I mean, we even Meredith had a nice friendship. What about her? So we go to commercial break, but Mary saves it. Mary's like, well, you know, you know, my relationship with Meredith is different and Meredith is beautiful and she's

a beautiful friend and I love Meredith, but she's a busy woman and she's traveling and travels the world, does all these things. But she basically is like, no, I love Meredith, but just not as much as Angie. Yeah. She was like, I love Meredith, but it's different. She doesn't have as much time for me and stuff, but it's also because, you know, they both got so immature. She's like, you want to leave my house if you keep talking. And then she's like, oh, well now I'm being kicked out. And we saw the interaction with Mary and Angie when Angie made Mary mad. And Mary was like, I'm done with her. Like, fuck off then. We're not friends because you went and talked to Brittany instead of staying at the table with me.

It's something so stupid. But we saw how Angie had to talk Mary back and nobody knew that code yet of just being like, Mary, I love you and you need to just come back and you really hurt me and we need to work this out. And that's how she kind of got Mary back and cemented that. And Mary explained why later

because of all her trauma, et cetera. But Meredith didn't know that. She didn't know how to do it at the time. So she's just like, well, I guess I just didn't know the trick. But it was nice, you know, but it was basically like, you're nice, but I've moved on. I now need a lot of pita bread. Really into tzatziki now. Well, Colin on Twitter thinks Meredith is clearly jealous of Mary and Andy's new friendship. Well Colin on Twitter can believe whatever he wants but it's not true. I'm not jealous at all.

So Andy's like, well Mary and Meredith, your friendship really fell apart over Mary's brunch. So we see all that. And Andy's like, when did you start noticing the breakdown in your relationship? Well, you know, I don't know if it was a breakdown so to speak. So we see all that and he's like, when did you start noticing the breakdown in your relationship? Well, you know, I don't know if it was a breakdown so to speak I think it was more that we just both weren't like Mary had a lot going on She was hanging out with Angie Kay a lot. I'm not jealous and I felt very much under attack at that lunch

So I just think it was a clashing moment Well Aqua from four says Meredith I think that Mary hates you because of the bangs you order her parties. Oh, really? Well, you can think it's the bangs, but let me tell you something, okay? It's all the other stuff that's nasty that the other women say about me that's the problem. Let me pull out my phone. Oh, God.

I love Mary goes, oh, those bangs were a little, a little bit of a type of suffering. So she whips out the phone and she goes, so we got a list of all the lovely things and they're like, oh Jesus. And Whitney's like, do you like after every episode, take notes? No, these are notes in preparation for today. I've been called a drug addict, a bulimic, a cheater, homeless, mentally unstable, next level psychotic, disassociation, mother, thank you Sean for that one, multiple personality disorder, a snitch, a liar, my appearance has been made of, my hearing aids have been

made fun of, and I've been insulted as a mother, I'm a garage holder, a whore, and I blame the victim, and those are the ones that I can remember." I got, thank you Sean, that was another, I'll write that on the list too. That's on the good column. All right, thank you Sean. Sean, Sean, Sean, move forward. But I didn't have time to watch back five years and get the other ones, and Angie's like, so should we address each one by one? years and get the other ones." And Angie's like, so should we address each one by one?

Pete Slauson Like, then Angie's like, well, I can prove half of those at least, you know? Pete Slauson Yeah. So, then we see like flashbacks of people, what would, actually, I'm sorry. Angie's like, but what about the things that you have said to other people? She's like, I have not said a lot. Then we have a montage, like, you are a monster. Get out of my face. Angie has a pit bull. Yeah, Angie has like a pit bull coming after me

and then telling Angie, you are an ugly human being. And to Brittany, Brittany, I have had enough of you. You are vile. But I can say to everything, except the Angie, you are an ugly human being, every single one of those was reactions from people coming after her and her staying home for the most part until they wouldn't stop. So I say self-defense, court dismissed.

I agree. I totally agree. So Andy's like, all right, well, Ruda from Vegas says, how exactly did Mary use you for three years when she was the one who didn't talk about your marriage or your son? Well, I will say, this was obviously a heated moment and I'm not coming for Mary because she's the most popular person on the show. I just don't like feeling disposable. Okay?

And that's how I felt at the time. And Mary was like, but how did I use you? And she goes, because I was the only one around you during that time who you were interacting with. But I used you? Yes, Mary, nobody would shoot with anybody and you wouldn't shoot with anybody. And Meredith came to your house to be, you know,

to like be your only friend. So it was kind of, I don't think she used her necessarily, but I can see how somebody would feel like, oh, now that she doesn't need somebody to shoot with anymore because she has somebody else, she's just going to dump me. Right. Mary's like, well, I mean, I don't use anybody. I've never used anyone in my life.

And to say that kind of, that my character, that about my character, I'd appreciate it if you just say it wasn't true. Martha's like, well, I just said, that's how I felt in the moment. I don't think it's true. I just felt that way in the moment. Mary needs so much explaining. They just have to explain things to her so much. She says, so I'm using you? No, Mary, what I'm telling you is, which was a different moment than this moment. I thought you did, but no, I do not. Well, could you apologize?

I did apologize and I meant it. Okay. Well thank you for the apology. I'm sorry. About saying I used to you. I didn't really like that. Don't get us started with a who's on first moment. I want to give me a hug. So they hug, it's really nice. And Mary's like, your boobs, are they smaller? Yes, do you not remember?

I actually didn't remember either that she had a reduction. I didn't either. Or maybe she just took the breastplate off. Remember that one that she wore in like season two? People were like, is that a drag queen breastplate? What is she wearing? So Mary basically is like, she kind of has like a wish, which is like,

you and Angie need to work it out. You need to work it out, guys. Yeah, I think Mary has not got better at conflict. She still doesn't seem to know what's going on in a conflict, but she's gotten a lot better at resolution. Like she'll just give a resolution now and be like, okay, is this worth it? No, let's just hug, you know, which I think is good. So they hug and that's how we end the

episode. And then next week, Brittany comes. Don't don't don't don't don't. It will be fun. And we are going to do next week's Salt Lake City in Salt Lake City, which will be a real treat. It'll be our first ever Salt Lake and Salt Lake moment. So if you are in that area, please come, come to our show and enjoy it because I think it's gonna be really wild recapping Salt Lake City in the city itself. So that's-

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