Watch What Crappens - #2836 RHOA S1610: Hampered by Porsha

Episode Date: May 12, 2025

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but I just wanna say I'm not excited about our Texas road trip videos. It was a good time. So those will be the next couple of weeks coming up. So join us over at Patreon for those. Happy Mother's Day, late to everybody. I got back yesterday morning. I got up early so I could drive back from Dallas and make Mother's Day. Wow. What a Mother's Day. Do you want to hear what happened

to me? I mean, I'm sensing something happened. It was a ventful. Okay. If you don't want to hear a personal story, fast forward five minutes because I have to I have to tell you guys what? Happened okay, so I go to see sinners right because my mom loves a good horror flick. So do I oh, yeah I want to say this has been getting you know crazy reviews. It's made all this money. Everybody's loving it So we go see sinners So I live in a lake town right and there is some the weekends people get shit-faced I mean, there's some lake trash up in the lake town. Let's just be honest.

So these two girls sit in the front row with us and they are shit-faced. I mean, wild. They've got short shorts, you know, cut up, you know, way past their butts. Their butt cheeks are hanging out, which my mother is like, what the hell? Who raised you? But she, you know, she didn't say that, but she's already perturbed. So these girls sit down, they're shit-faced. They're ordering drinks,

because it's one of those movie theaters where you can just order food and drinks. So they're getting wasted. So they start talking, and I'm like, you know what, Ronnie, don't be a Karen. There are just some girls out having fun. But then they just start having full-on, full-voice conversations in the movie.

And this is a very serious movie, you know? So I went, you know, girls, be quiet, come on. And they're like, sorry. He he he he. So then they keep talking. So then like another half an hour later, girls, come on now. They're like, sorry.

He he he he. Finally, an hour and a half into this movie, finally the vampires show up. Cause this is a vampire movie. The vampires don't even come out for an hour and a half. Okay? So I've got my mom on one side of me going, what kind of vampire movie is this?

There's no vampires in it. So she's pissed and she's like, tell those girls to shut up. So finally I just went, shut up, fuck. Like I yelled at them. And then they looked at me. Okay, so there's a lot of music in here as well. So she stands up with her beer and she starts dancing. She's like, yeah.

And singing. Standing up and dancing at the movie theater So she stands up with her beer and she starts dancing. She's like, yeah. No. Singing. Singing. Standing up and dancing at the movie theater like she's at a concert. No. Like sexy dancing, you know. She's like, yeah. Get out.

So finally the vampires are here in the movie and I'm like, I'm not missing this part. I've been waiting for an hour and a half through all of this drama. I wanna see some people fighting vampires, right? So I go out to get the people, whatever, that takes forever too, because there's a line to get to the manager,

and I'm like, here I am, a fucking Karen on Mother's Day. I hated the note, you know, this position. So I get them to finally come in. After taking like five to 10 minutes to get them to even come in, all he does is go over there and go, please be quiet, and then leaves. So of course, now they're glaring at me, because they know I tattled on them. After taking like five to 10 minutes to get them to even come in, all he does is go over there and go, please be quiet, and then leaves.

So of course, now they're glaring at me, because they know I tattled on them, because he followed me right back in there. And now they're, I've already yelled at them, by the way, and cursed them out. So now they're glaring at me. So the credits finally roll. I miss, by the way, everybody getting killed.

I miss the whole, because that happens in 10 minutes. Enough about the story. Let's not talk about what happened in the movie, since I'm planning to see it tonight, because that happens in 10 minutes. Enough about the story. Let's not talk about what happened in the movie since I'm planning to see it tonight, but let's go on. It's a vampire movie. So I missed all the death and destruction, okay? So I'm pissed. I'm already pissed.

I come back, everybody's dead. Everybody who dies is dead. So I'm already pissed. So then the credits start rolling, and I'm like, these girls are gonna videotape me. Because another thing I forgot to mention was after they got in trouble, she starts watching videos on her phone at full volume,

on the phone, with the speaker on the phone. Oh my God. So I'm like. Why didn't you take a video of them? You should have taken a video of them. So that's what I did. I started videotaping this girl because I saw her get up at the credits and she just walked like she was watching the credits.

I could tell she was kind of nervous, but I was like, this girl's nervous. She's gonna totally come over and try and make like some TikTok video of me being a Karen, right? So I start taping her and you can't really see cause it's got, it's on my leg and I'm just, you know, being subtle. So sure enough, she comes over. My mom gets up to go pee cause my mom's about to beat this girl up.

I said, mom, don't start a public confrontation. I'm already fighting with them. Just go to the bathroom. So she gets up and leaves. So she comes and sits down in my mom's seat and she starts posing and her friend comes over and starts videotaping us while she's posing. So I start posing with her and making kisses to the camera and so I turned the phone so that she could see that she was being recorded.

Well, first of all, I'm filming her friend and I was like, oh, hey, that's the asshole girl who was drunk in the movie, now she's wasted and filming me. And then I had to turn the camera around or whatever. So I pressed stop and re-record and the flash came on because so now I've got the flash in this girl's face. And she's like, she's like,

I just don't understand what I did to you to be such an asshole to me. And I said, oh, I'm the asshole. Do you know how much a movie costs? And I had to sit here and listen to your bullshit and watch you fucking porn dancing to the fucking movie. And then you were singing the hymnals along with the Nazi vampires.

Are you fucking kidding me? That's what you got. I was like, you're the asshole in this situation. I'm sorry. You seem very nice. Like you have every right to go get shit faced. And I said, and don't feel bad. I've been the drunk girl that's annoying everybody, okay?

I've been where you are many times. But people have told me to shut the fuck up too. And that's what you got. You got a good shut the fuck up. So she's like, yeah, but you didn't have to be so mean. I said, you didn't have to be so loud. Are you just gonna sit here? She goes, yeah.

So I'm still filming her and she's just pouting at me. She was like looking directly into the camera, like pouting. So then the movie comes back on because it's one of those fucking movies where the credits roll and then there's more movies. And it doesn't take, it's not like a quick little scene like a Marvel movie, it's a 10 minute scene. And this girl sat there and pouted at me for 10 minutes.

It was so awkward then. I couldn't even get to the end of the movie. Her friend was mortified. Cause I'm still filming them both. Because she's filming me. I hope you put this on, you should put this online. You have to put this video online. I'm sorry, I need to see this person.

She needs to be publicly shamed for talking in the theater like this. I know, so then the best part is, finally it ends and I'm not gonna get up cause I'm not gonna let her win, right? So I just sat there filming her and she was patting into the camera the whole time. I don't know if she wanted me to hug her or what.

Like she seemed actually kind of nice. So I get up and she's just staring at me. And I said, well, that was a weird fun movie, right? She went, oh, and I said, okay, well, I guess we're done. Peace. And like I gave her deuces and got up and walked off. My dad stays in the theater. Oh my God, with this girl.

And he's like, you need to dry out. Like lecturing. So I go out, my mom's waiting by the tickets. She's furious because she's been there now like 10, 15 minutes. So she's like, where have you been? I've been standing here, la la la la la. I don't feel good, my back hurts.

I'm sitting here waiting for you. And I said, well, that girl tried it with me. So I had to talk to her. And she said, where's your father? He's probably in there telling this girl she needs to meet Jesus. Well, sure enough, five minutes later, he comes out holding this girl's hand, and she's giggling like her boyfriend and girlfriend. Okay. She's like, hee hee hee. And he's like, listen, it's a quick introduction. You know, all you need to do is invite him into your life and you can come with me. You know, we have a great church and it's not stuffy like normal churches,

they have a band and you know, it's great. Just call me and I'll take you. You can come with me and my wife, come to church." I said, Mom, I told you he was introducing this girl to fucking Jesus and that's what he was doing. He was proselytizing to a drunk girl in the movie centers. I can't with these people. Like you can't make this shit up. Wow. That is like I'm so full of rage against this girl. We literally just talked on our little road trip

about like why I don't go to the movies that much anymore. It's because people don't know how to behave in them. And this is a perfect example. And when confronted, it's like, why do you go to the movies that much anymore. It's because people don't know how to behave in them. And this is a perfect example. And when confronted, it's like, why do you have to be so mean? It's like, you're the one who's talking during a movie. Like there are repercussions of these things.

I'm begging you, you don't have to post the whole thing. I am begging you put a little bit up so people can see who this idiot was because it's time. Okay, you know what? I don't care about the movie sinners anymore. I care about the movie shamers because it is time for people in movie theaters to be publicly shamed for talking,

especially for being drunk, especially for standing up and dancing. Like, no, I've had enough. This has to, like, the movie industry has to get behind this because this is making people not wanna go to the movies as these fucking idiots watching videos during movies and talking It's enough too much. Stop it. It starts with you Ronnie of shaving this girl on the internet Of course, my father is proselytizing. I was done

He was literally telling her all you need to meet Jesus is just invite a man Just come on over to our church. I was was like, Ted, we just watched sinners. Like really, you're gonna proselytize after that. Oh my God. Oh, so then the movie theater was like, you were actually really nice about that. So here's some free passes. And I was thinking you don't have to do that.

And they were like, no, no, no, take them, whatever. I'm sorry you had a bad experience. So I leave and I get home and I'm like, I'm gonna put these passes somewhere safe so I can actually use them. They're from 2024, they expired in 2024. So that was that. Those fuckers, those fuck faces.

That was the cherry on top. I would, okay, now it's time for you to publicly shame that movie theater. No, I won't do that. Nothing but shame happening today. I am furious. I was in such a happy mood I was like sitting down. I was like a lot of nice day. I'm ready. I'm recharged

I'm ready to podcast and now I am full of so much venom. I am so angry right now I mean by the time I left I was cracking up but the whole movie I was filled with this rage You know because it wasn't just normal talking it was like Like having conversations and they just kept bringing them more and more beers and you could hear all the beers clinking because it wasn't just normal talking. It was like, blah, blah, blah, blah, like having full conversations. And they just kept bringing them more and more beers. And you could hear all the beers clinking. I was like, I'm gonna kill these girls. So it's a good movie, but I was like

stressing out the whole movie. Yeah, of course. So Sinners was marred by these girls. You can't enjoy a movie like that. Like I would actually, honestly, I wouldn't even go back to that theater because if they're not even gonna willing to really like take Care of people who are disrupting for everyone else for people who paid money just that way they can like sell more beers

I'd be like fuck you. You don't care about me as a patron So I'm not coming back here and you're also gonna like modify the situation with expired movie passes No, thank you. You should shut down and this is why people are not going to movies Yeah, well, I just died that my dad was trying to turn her to Jesus' side. I was like, seriously. I like we have two totally different takeaways. You're like, isn't that crazy? My dad tried to convert her to candy.

Well, just like, just so my dad. I'm like, I can't believe the movie industry. It was just so my dad, like, you know what? Look at this as an opportunity to get somebody else to Jesus. And I was like, oh, come on. All right, so anyway, here we are with some real housewives of Atlanta. All right. All right. Well, we begin with some shots of around Atlanta and we're Kelly's townhouse and she's in there and she's got all her daughters in there and

her daughters are like, they're like arranging a meal and like one of her daughters is like serving very formally and her other daughter does not appreciate it and that was very unfortunate. But Chloe is saying that she got some B's and she's talking about her grades and Kelly is saying like, yeah, well, you know, I know, like go tell your dad, which she starts talking about how she and she co-parents with Chloe's dad, because her dad is a different dad than everyone else's.

And everyone else's dad is a monster, but Chloe's dad is actually, he's actually pretty okay. Yeah, so they're besties, her and the first dad. And then the kids are serving each other food. One of her, she's serving food, and they're talking about the new house that they're moving and their new dog. And Kelly's like, our house is like a sorority house. You know, we get the whole thing.

Like we're just girls, girls living together. Like this might be a good time to sit them down and tell them how to behave in centers. So then we see that she's getting a new house cause this has been very difficult. They normally have 7,000 square feet. Okay. So it's been very difficult to live in a townhouse. So I'm trying to muster up some tears for them, but they don't come.

Well, and then especially since half that townhouse is filled with waffles. So they're just like, there's just no room for anyone. She's like, you know what? My ex-husband thought it was inappropriate to be giving my girls round beds, but they're made out of waffles. So yeah, we see a little flashback of her talking

to a realtor about what she wants. And they're just all, it's just kind of like a me and my girls kind of scene. It's really, really like nothing happens. So now we go over to Verdure and Shamia, slow motion exit out of her car and walks into the restaurant. Verdure and lo and behold, guess who was there who has crawled out of the basement. It's Ralph. Ralph Pittman is sitting there having a shooting,

a shooting a scene with Shamiah. This is gross and I don't know why Portia gets all the shit online and Shamiah doesn't get the shit online when Shamiah is going out with Ralph. That's a pretty gross move, I think. And don't worry, Portia comes too. So she deserves some of it too, but Portia is doing a tit for tat. I don't And don't worry, Portia comes too. So she deserves some of it too. But Portia's doing a tit for tat. I don't know what the fuck Shemeah's doing. She says it's okay for her to do it.

It's like fine for her to go out with some like, emotionally abusive stalker ex, because in her case, she's done a podcast with him. But they weren't like doing a podcast. She was guesting on a podcast with him or I don't know. And she even admits that she met Ralph through Drew. Like this is definitely, I think, a violation of girl code. I mean, Portia obviously gets shit because Portia has made such a fuss about filming. And then he or she shows up and Ralph was there and she can say, Oh, I didn't know

Ralph was going to be there. But Portia is not like some passive person on this experience. If she didn't want to film with Ralph, she would have walked out that restaurant. And Portia is totally the type that would do that. So the fact that she sat down there was like, oh, I didn't even know that Ralph was here. It's like, OK, we know what you're doing, Portia. We know. I do not believe you. But Ralph's like, yeah, you know, since we do this podcast, you know, we did that podcast, you know, with me, Todd,

Ross, I thought of an idea for another podcast I wanted to run by you. It's called Dank. It takes place in basements across the cities. Yeah. Well, I was also thinking maybe calling it like Kings and Queens podcast as like Family Feud meets Battle of the Sexes. I was like Family Feud as a podcast about Battle of the Sexes. OK, how about you have a game show where you go places and people try to figure out

what it means. For example, you say, I just went to the beach and we have to figure out where you really went. You fucking weird stalker asshole. So she's like, well, you know, here's the thing about podcasts. I'm a very rich person. So you really need to think about sponsorship. Like, wow, glad we've got Shemia here. I explain economics of podcasting to Ralph.

Also concepts and why anyone would want to listen to Ralph talk about battle of the sexes in a family feud format. Okay, now I love family feud, but I have to say that the battle of the sexes thing, I think it's just like tired and old. I think that really Jerry O'Connell killed the battle of the sexes format for eternity because he tried to get that going. For like 20 years, Jerry O'Connell killed the battle of the sexes format for eternity because he tried to get that going.

For like 20 years, Jerry O'Connell has been like, guys, guys are like this, and girls are like this, and like, right guys, isn't that crazy? And it's just like now I'm like, I never wanna compare men and women again ever again, thanks to Jerry O'Connell. It is over. Ralph, you missed your window.

This ain't King of Queens, okay, we don't need this. So, Shamiah is defending herself because she's been on a podcast, so this is business, and she's like, I'm a concerned citizen and the people of the United States of Atlanta want to know if Ralph's wife and Dennis are making hot dogs. So, I'm doing it. So then she's- It's business. Sorry, what'd you say? My wife and Dennis are making hot dogs, so I'm doing it.

So then she's- It's business. Sorry, what'd you say? I said, it's business. Yeah, well, she did say marketing, or she did say sponsorships, so a huge business meeting. So she's like, let's address the elephant in the room. I met you through your wife and what's happening now?

It's just heartbreaking, Rob, it's heartbreaking. And he's like, you know, I just proposed to Drew at three months and then we got married at five months and she's pregnant at eight months. So, you know, I didn't really have the opportunity to know her, now that's the problem. Like who is this woman?

Who is she? Who is she? I've been hoodwinked. Who's fault is that? You're the one who popped the question. You can't like pop the question at five months and then be like I don't even I didn't even know who she was That was your choice You were so eager to love bomb her and probably to brag that you got drew Sidora

from the step-up movies or it was a step up or or Whatever the yard. I don't remember but she's like like, has some degree of fame, and you're probably excited about that, you're gonna lock it down, without actually getting to know her, without learning the fact that she's a pathological liar, much like you are in fact, so in many ways you guys are perfect for each other, but like, I'm not gonna feel bad for you

that you rushed the situation and then found out later that you guys didn't really understand each other, like that's on you, that's why you have to date and wait. Yeah, I don't like him and Sydney waiting that she rushed him when he's the one who was writing a parenting a stepchild book when he'd been co-parenting that child for five minutes

and then ended up like dropping the ball on that too. So you're the rusher, sir, okay? So, um. I'm really channeling a lot of that movie theater rage onto Ralph right now, it feels great. Ralph sucks, Ralph just sucks. It feels great. Ralph sucks. Ralph just sucks. I mean, from everything we've seen of Ralph on this show, I mean, Drew's a dingbat.

You know, Drew gets hers too. But I mean, Ralph is just a piece of crap. So for them to be like, oh, you know what, let's bring someone's somewhat abusive ex onto the show. That'll be fun. It's not. It's just shitty. It's just a shitty move.

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and completely ad free on Wondry Plus. So she's like, well, you know, oh, he says, you know who she's becoming, like the situation with Dennis and Portia, like that's huge. And she goes, I just didn't understand it, you know, it's just so inappropriate. Is it really? She wants to make songs on GarageBand?

So does Dennis. They did it, you know? They did it. They strung some loops together, sang about hot dogs and relish, and now they got signed to an internet service where they'll get a rev share. So, you know, they're living the dream.

And Ralph's like, yeah, by the way, isn't Drew still working for Portia with like the hair, you know, the go naked hair, whatever. And Shemeah's like, well, I don't know that she works for Portia anymore. And in walks Portia to clarify it all. By the way, he should know this because you know, Ralph, it came out in these divorce papers.

And I guess I should say allegedly, just cause that's like invisible protection. But I was just reading on Reddit, the unsealing of these papers, someone was kind of putting together what was in these papers. And basically, he had, he was taking Drew Sidor LLC, which is where all of her money from the shows, all her movies, everything goes into this LLC, and he owned half of this LLC. So his money is all Drew's money.

It's all money that Drew's making that he's living off of. And Drew took him off of the LLC. She like kicked him off of it. And so he's suing her because he still wants to get, be taking like half of her money from everything, which he's not earning, she's earning. So if anybody out there is doubting what a piece of her money from everything, which he's not earning, she's earning. So if anybody is out there is doubting what a piece of shit this guy is,

and now he's like, wait, wasn't she working with Go Naked Hair? You should know, you fucking furnished your basement with that money. Yeah, exactly. And then we saw in the trailer for the rest of the season that this is gonna be an issue that he locks her out of the house

and claims that he actually runs a Drew Sidora LLC. So even more proof that he is bullshitting right now. So, uh, Porsche is like, okay, so let me give some context. Okay. I am not hanging out with Ralph. Okay. I didn't call him and ask him to come to dinner tonight. I said, Shamiah, you should call Ralph and invite him to dinner. That'd be hilarious, but it was not me. Okay. this is not a tit for tat. It's a tit for a tat, okay?

Cause he's got a tat and we got a bunch of tits. So that's what it is. So he's like, oh, disclaimer, I did not know Portia was gonna be arriving at all. And Shamia's like, well, look, I need to have a witness because I'm not gonna be the person that Ralph went off with when he disappeared. I'm not that girl, you know?

You are that girl. Neither one of you is looking great right now. And Shemia, just to add a little spoiler context through the rest of this episode, Shemia kind of falls down in this episode. It is not a great Shemia episode in general. And it looks like it's not gonna, it looks like that's gonna continue.

Not Team Shemia, not Team Shemia. Yes, so Portia is saying how she sever ties with Drew. And Shemia is saying like, you know what? I'm happy to help out however I can with this podcast. I got you, Ralph, you're paying the bill tonight. And he's like, ah, ah, he's like laughing. And then he's like, realizes that she's serious even though she has an elevator in her house and like a brand new Bentley that's sitting on

top of a Maybach. So that makes me more mad because I know that ultimately Drew's paying for the bill. That's true. He doesn't make any money. So this is all Drew's money that he's spending on these two. So he's like, let's get these ladies a shot. And she's like, Portia goes, well, just to warn you, I don't really like husbands right now,

so you might be catching some strays. And then she starts talking about Dennis and how Dennis had to text message. And then we're getting these fragments of text messages that are like, basically Dennis saying, oh, Drew is interested in some, like I said, I told Drew I wouldn't fuck her. And I told her, just run me my money,

I'm not gonna fuck you. So, and by the way, let's not act like Dennis is the most reliable narrator either. It's like a whole bunch of idiots going on here, creating scandal for themselves. So now, Portia shows this to Ralph. And she's basically, she's under the guise of like, Ralph should know that like, everything's okay. She's like, I wanted to say on the good side of poor, uh, uh, uh, what's up, what's

of Drew and the good deeds. I was probably also showing the texts to Ralph to really show him that Drew and Dennis had not had sex because he was basically telling her, I don't wanna have sex, just give me my money. But this is Portia's way of showing Ralph that Drew was making advances towards Dennis. So as much as that Portia was saying, oh, I wanna show them that they never had sex,

she was actually being shady and outing Drew. Yes. So she's, but the text she shows says, don't run me that ass, run me my money. But it never says, it never shows her offering ass. Right. But it doesn't. But it's the implication.

But Portia is making it sound like she's saying she's not gonna pay you, she just wants to fuck you instead. Like she's hoeing, she's basically accusing her of hoeing and saying, okay, I'll pay you for all these hot dog tracks with my ass, which never happened. That never happened in here, no matter how much they're gonna try to make that sound. And if it did happen, we don't have the receipts yet.

So the producer's actually laughing on camera and like, God damn, you're shady, Portia, you know, saying, I'm being a good person. So then Ralph's like, well, I heard Drew was sleeping around, you know, maybe it's not with Dennis, but I heard that. And she goes, well, but there's been rumors about you. So are those all true? And he's like, he just pauses for a long time. And he's like, ugh, yeah, they're fucking true. Course they're true with Ralph. And he's like, no. Then she goes, okay, well, because you heard rumors,

that doesn't make it true. And he's like, well, but she has someone else she was with. So. Yeah, so Portia's like, don't use my divorce to say that we're going through the same thing. You got her talking about my child. She was like, I'll make enough money

to send Pilar to college. And Ralph is like, that's what she said? And she's like, yeah, that's what Shemeah said that Drew said. And so Shemeah's like, well, she said it jokingly, I think, just so you know. And Ralph's like, that's very disrespectful. The only thing I care about is my kids. I just want my kids healthy so I could capitalize off of them

a little bit more with my book that three people read. At least I want their knees healthy, because I want them to be bringing me food up and downstairs a lot. So knee strength is important. Uh, and she's like, so you never cheated. Have you ever sniffed another woman? And he's like, yeah, of course. Of course I've sniffed. One man doesn't sniff. They just nipper. He's like, uh, uh, so then, um, then just for me, I's like, ah, ah, ah. So then, then Shemeah's like, did you ever cheat on Drew Ralph?

And he's like, classic Ralph, first he's like, well, I mean, what, are you serious? What, how, uh, uh. And then finally he's like, no, I didn't cheat. He just never is able to answer that question cleanly. Like, that's all we've needed all these years is for him to be like, no, of course not. But he always is like, I mean, you already know the answer.

You already know what I'm talking about. This is one of the cleanest versions. He only gave a little bit of misdirection before he then mumbles that he didn't cheat. Right. So then Shomia talks about how she's always in trouble for defending Portia because she's such a good person, you know, but she's always in trouble for defending Portia because she's such a good person, you know?

But she's gonna do it anyway because that's the kind of friend she is, a good friend. You're the kind of friend to be nice to somebody who's on TV until you get your ass a full peach on TV and then you immediately turn on said friend to stay head peach on a show. I see you. I see what kind of friend you are.

Shamia, I've turned. I've turned on Shamia, I don't care. Okay, so Shamia then is saying how she, she eats shit every time she defends Portia to the other women, especially with Angela. And Angela gives Shamia pushback for even just laughing at jokes. So Portia's, And Angela gives Shemeah pushback for even just laughing at jokes. So,

Portia's just there and she's like, okay, well, whatever. Shemeah's like, okay, well, thank you so much for dinner, Ralph. Because basically the two of them just start talking and ignoring Ralph. And Ralph's like, hey, I'm still here. I'm still here, guys.

Do you remember me? And they're like, oh yeah, we forgot. Oh, thanks, you can pay for this, bye. Yeah, they're like, we're gonna get dessert before we leave. So then we go over to Angela's investment property in Riverside. And she's like, well, you know,

I own five investment properties and they're ready for sale mostly, but I'm hearing that the listing prices haven't been the most welcoming. And I'm in debt $2 million, so I'm a deep shit, basically. I mean, lower the price. Yeah, lower the price. Lower the price.

I think we're charging a little too much. Nobody's paying $3 million for the house you're in right now. I'm telling you that much, because we see it. And it's not bad, but it's not $3 million. I'm sorry, it's just not. And I like that Kelly comes over and she's like, cozy. When someone walks in and says, this is cozy, that's not a $3 million house.

Yeah, that's her way of saying, oh, well, this is cute that you put this on the market, okay. Yeah, that house was not 3 million, okay. Especially because everything we hear about Atlanta real estate is that you get these giant McMansions and they cost like 1.1 million, $750,000. So the fact that there actually was a house that was three million and it looked just kind of

like a ranch home, not a ranch home. Yeah, maybe a ranch home, like a single storey ranch. I was like, hmm, this feels like it might be overpriced, Angela. Yeah, so Kelly's looking at the house and she's like, I feel bad about what I said about their secret baby. I hope she's not gonna tie me up in the basement. So then they're looking around and Kelly's like,

there's no water in that pool. And they go into a bedroom and she goes, oh, this isn't okay bedroom. So there's no closet in the bedroom. And she's like, don't come from me like that, please. Trying to solve this. Nothing's finished. There's like sticky notes where they're supposed to be

like an oven or a fridge. And she's like $3 billion. Yeah, she's like, oh, don't pay attention to those. Those are my sticky notes, my stickies. And so then this is where Kelly's like, well, this is cozy, so fresh and very cozy. Let me just say cozy again. Oh, you look very pretty today, Angela. And so now they're having the talk.

So Kelly is talking about her family, but then we move on to Angela's marriage and she's been together with Charles almost 10 years to Angela's marriage. And she's been together with Charles almost 10 years. He's the best friend she's ever had. And that's why she's surprised when it came when it came across that Kelly acted like she knows something about her marriage. So what do you know, Kelly? Kelly is like, Well, no, I'm sorry if it came off a certain kind of way. You know, I just, I don't know how we'd talk to you and ask that and be like well

I mean, he's got a baby right and she's like, well, okay. This is okay. Here's how it all happened We were at an event. He was hosting with Wendy Williams and you know Wendy's husband was in the news for having a baby. So I went up to when you know, it's like it's only a baby You know what even if it's true, it's just a baby. It's just another living soul who someone will have to take care of for the rest of their lives. That's it, nothing major. It's like just having a stick of gum.

Forgive him, it's just a baby. Just a baby. And Wendy said, what has that ever happened to you? And she said, yes, it has. And then Wendy took that to mean as it happened with Charles, but she was saying it happened with her other guy, with her first guy. So she met her daughter's father.

So then Angela is like, yeah, you know, there's an article about it and Charles doesn't even care about that. But I'm like, well, wait a minute, people really think this now. So it would be nice if you cared. And then we see a headline from The Sun that says, it's just a baby.

Wendy Williams claims NBA legend Charles Oakley's wife told her to stay with her ex after love child scandal. Yeah, so Kelly's like, oh, I'm so glad you cleared that up. Bitch, marriage is hard. And just like, yeah. And then there's also the groupies. And she says there was infidelity. And after that whole Mass at Square Garden issue that

happened, the scandal, he went through a hard time. And she's like, I'm not making excuses for him, but I feel like he needed to feel validated. And so we took a break. And I'm very transparent about the growing pains in our relationship, the good, the bad, the in between, the waffles. No, no waffles for us. But marriages work and you have to both put in the work and yada, yada, yada. So she's, she is pretty transparent. So I kind of do feel like if there was a baby,

she'd be like, I think she would say it. Cause her whole, her, everything in her life is actually pretty messy to the point where like, I don't think she would cover up a baby. Yeah, I don't either. So Angela's saying, okay, well now let's talk about Shemia. So I was becoming friends with Shemia, but then, you know, I don't think it went right recently,

but we were having private conversations with regards to Portia. And you know, after we got done listening to Shamia's single, we decided to go out to dinner. And Shamia said she was starting to have issues with Portia. So Angela is basically coming into this episode swinging. She's like, okay, here's what I could do. Everybody's coming for me on this show.

So I could either lie down and be a victim and just take it, or I can fuck every one of these women up and that's what I'm gonna do so she comes back and she's like uh Shemeah's important uh Shemeah and Porsche's friendship is fake and Shemeah secretly hates Porsche run with that be gone also mentioned that this three million dollars house is ready to go I know she is in full bone collector mode and she's she is she is ready collector mode and she is ready. I love when she said, you know,

after we got done listening to Shamiah's single, which was her way of saying, that was the worst three minutes of my life, I sat down and listened to this single that's going nowhere because she's aged out of popular music. So I don't know how she even thinks that she's gonna have a hit on the radio, but I sat there and I listened to it.

Then we went to dinner and then on top of that, she laughs along with Portia's jokes in Nashville. Can you believe that? After I listened to her single. That's kind of what she's saying. Yeah, so she's like, well, Shamia doesn't wanna just be Portia's sidekick, but now they have to put on her big girl pants

to fight with Portia. So then we go to Grattles. my mommy's moving and I'm so excited. Yeah, and she's like, I don't know what to do because normally, like, Mike always walks around half-pacan and now my mom's moving in. So, you know, Mike's asking how everything's going with the girls and she's saying she's not seeing eye to eye with anyone or even Angela. And then we get a flashback to last week where Angela's like, you have the mouth of a whore.

Well, Britt, I like that Britt how Britt makes herself the hero of every story. She's like, well, we weren't getting along and moving forward. I just don't know what happened with Angela. Maybe that you started talking shit to her in front of everybody else, like for no reason, when you weren't even part of the conversation. Maybe that's why, I don't know. So we see clips of that with the stretch marks

around your mouth. You're a whore, Britt, you're a whore. So Mike explains that he's gonna be having having lunch with Britt's sister, Cher. And then Britt's talking about how, like, when Mike came around, put a wedge in the family because Cher saw Mike as taking her away. And literally no one cares. No one cares about Britt and her sister drama. They're just three increasingly uninteresting people.

Yeah, I mean, it's enough to be talking about Britt's drama with her sister, but now we have to watch the husband and the sister makeup? No. No. So she's like, finish your matcha. And he says, it's just green milk. Wow.

So then we go to another investment property. Drinking that. Yeah. Green. It's just green milk. Also, why does he like, I also love like why he feels the need to protest the matcha in that moment. Just be like, okay, but whatever. It's just green milk. Yeah. It's milk with matcha. It's green milk. Drink it. At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me, and the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours.

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We go to another investment property from Angela. This time she's meeting up with Portia to do the age old Bravo tradition of bad tennis on TV. Yes, and she says, well, I'm excited at Portia to my investment property, because under no circumstances do I want someone who says they're gonna fuck my husband in my home. She's only getting the rental.

Which is so fucking funny. She's only gonna be able to go to the investment property. She hasn't earned the right to come to the real house. Like she's not gonna get to smell those freshly frying Brussels sprouts. Yes, so which by the way, like Charles is cooking so much food, let people come over, even if they said they want to sleep with him.

Otherwise it's just gonna go to waste. So they go, they start playing tennis and everything, and they're having fun back and forth, and Porsche is like, Angela's a bad bitch. As soon as I met her, I liked her. As long as her and I come to some sort of understanding, maybe we can form a friendship. That way she doesn't have to be just friends with Drew.

Yeah, so they play tennis crazily, and then they sit down to have a talk. John, John, John. They start with talking about how her daughter got married without telling Angela, and she's like, she just did it because I'm a helicopter mom. So I guess it's my fault really in the end.

And she's like, well, that reminds me of my Porsche, my pampered by Porsche party. She's like, okay, I guess we'll move to that now. Yeah, exactly. And Angela's like, oh, by the way, is there a conversation with the Drew that can be had? She's like, well, the opportunity kind of fell in my lap

because I went to dinner with Shemeah and Ralph was there totally unexpectedly. Yeah, you know, I got a text from Dennis and it looked like Drew saying she was trying to sleep with Dennis and Dennis told her, no, just run me my money. And Angela's like, oh my God, what are you doing? Then she goes, and this is why I won't have Porsche in my actual home.

She needs to learn cooth. I won't have Porsche in my actual home. She needs to learn cooth. Yeah. So she, and she's saying she wants to get Drew's out of the story because she doesn't want to believe that Drew would actually do something like that. So Angela's like, well, I've learned so much from talking to Drew.

And Porsche's like, yeah, but I think it's important and only fair for me to talk to her too and hear it for her to hear my side. Then it comes, you know, then come to your own conclusion. So Angela's like, okay, you wanna hear my conclusion? I can fix this. That's what I think. She's like, no, no, no,

that's not the conclusion I was looking for, okay? What did she talk to you guys about? And she said, she said the money that Dennis earns can be contributed to a college fund for Pilar. And she's like, well, that's not how Shamia said it. Shamia said, she said, I'm about to make so much money I can even send Pilar to college. So what, it's the same thing.

I don't understand what- Well, one way sounds like it's altruistic. Even though it's the same thing, the tone of one way is like, I can help. This is actually like a really good thing. And the other way is like, who needs Portia when I could be the new mama? So, Portia is mad about this.

And so now Angela's like, no, it wasn't said like that. Okay, no, it was much more like chill. And we see a flashback and it was actually, I mean, it was an overstep by Drew, but it wasn't like super flagrant. But when she said it, it was enough that we all flagged it like, oh, this isn't gonna get back to Portia and she won't be happy.

Well, just cause you mentioned the kid at all. Cause once you mentioned the kid, then it's like, how dare you speak about my child. But she didn't say anything bad about the kid. She said, oh really? Well, Portia's mad. Well, this could make so much money. It could fund her college or at least contribute

to some snacks, which we see her say. So then Angela's like- And by the way, it will not contribute even to a snack. This is not contributing to a Nutter Butter or a Malamar. This music is not generating many pennies. I don't know, it was in the top five on the R&B chart. So I don't know, I don't know how much money you get from that, but it did pretty well from what we saw

when we looked it up last week. So Angela's like, well, you know, I did talk to Kelly from that, but it did pretty well from what we saw when we looked it up last week. So Angela's like, well, you know, I did talk to Kelly and she said there was a time when Shemeah thought you didn't want her in this group. And she's like, but what, what? I vouch for her. And like I showed her a list of the wives

that I would want as a dream cast and she was on it. But I just told her, your husband doesn't want to film. And I explained to her that that might be a problem. So she's like, well, but I just told her, your husband doesn't wanna film, and I explained to her that that might be a problem. So she's like, well, but I talked to her, and it seems like she thinks this is a lopsided friendship, and she doesn't wanna be seen as Portia's lap dog, which you can tell by the last scene in which she orchestrated a scene

to make Portia's enemy look bad, so that Portia can look good. It's like, you're doing a great job, Shemeo. Yeah, so Porsche gets overwhelmed with emotion and she sort of hides behind a fan that she's holding. And she's crying and Angela's like, there, there, sort of attempts to be comforting. And Porsche's like, me and Shemeo have had way more

one-on-one time than she's ever spent with these girls, so I thought if we ever had an issue, that we would just band together and nothing could come between us. I'm like, yes, nothing will come between you, except Bravo, the great destroyer of friendships, marriages, and really everything sacred. So congratulations on your former friendship.

So then we go over to Drew's house. She's feeding the kids and stuff, and then she has not told the kids about divorce yet because they're court ordered by the judge not to tell the kids. I don't think the judge can court order you what you tell your kids. I've never heard of that, but whatever.

So her kids are in therapy because they don't want to damage the kids. Are they in ear therapy? Because I've heard your songs. You're damaging them. Okay, at the very least, they're gonna have like hot dog tinnitus. Get them some help. We are the hot dog.

We are the hot dog. We are the relish. So speaking of therapy, Drew is going to meet with her therapist who has now been downgraded to life coach. It's Bravo's Bravo's great self help guru, Dr. Ken, who is now FaceTiming in to give some more questionable assistance to Drew.

She's like, Oh, my god, I know I haven't seen you for a long time. And he goes, That means that you're doing better. No, it doesn't. So it's, when does just skipping therapy all the time mean you're doing better? It means you're not making an effort, right? Like me. So Drew is like, I'm happy with my mental disabilities. Leave me alone. I already have medicine for this. It's called food. Okay. Now please leave while I eat my emotions. It's called yelling at bitches at sinners.

That's how you get it out, okay? I think if everyone... That's the real therapy right there. So Drew is like, you know, I was told yesterday that Ralph was out with Shamia and Portia and we see a flashback. And Drew has now met with Angela and Kelly, because Angela's meeting with everyone

and telling everyone what everyone just said at the last scene. It's like, I'm getting whiplash from this. Like, I had to like, sometimes, I had to like mentally be like, okay, so Angela met with this person, and then off camera, and now just told Portia this on camera, and then she met with more people off camera to talk about what she told Portia about what happened off camera and now just told Portia this on camera and then she met with more people off camera

to talk about what she told Portia about what happened off camera somewhere else and now we're back on camera talking about what Angela said. I'm like, okay, I think I got this straight. You can say whatever you want about Angela but you can't say that she doesn't work because she works. She's like, all right, I'm taking a paycheck.

I will fuck everybody up. So Drew's like, it used to be that I had no tears to cry but now I'm at a point where I'm taking a paycheck, I will fuck everybody up. So Drew's like, it used to be that I had no tears to cry, but now I'm at a point where I'm just, I'm having tears throughout this process over Ralph. And Dr. Ken's like, that's progress. Why do people go to Dr. Ken? Has Dr. Ken ever given anybody good advice? You went to Dr. Ken for marriage counseling,

how'd that work out? You're getting divorced, okay? Everybody who's gone to Dr. Ken has gone through pure misery. It's never worked. It's like going to celebrity rehab. Has that ever worked for literally anybody? No.

Yeah, I think Dr. Ken is one of the least effective Bravo therapists out there, and there are a lot of ineffective Bravo therapists. Actually, they're pretty much all ineffective, except for maybe the one who got Erica to get a little bit closer to the idea of empathy. I would say that Erica's is probably the best that we've seen on Bravo.

Yeah. She's one of the only honest ones. I mean, that's not pizza party behavior. Erica is one of the best pieces of therapy we've ever heard on this show, on these shows. Yeah. And you know, I'm gonna give some extra credit to one of Jack's therapists who wasn't helpful,

because no one can really fix Jack's, but she was honest in showing her utter dismay and disgust for him on camera, when he was like talking, spewing bullshit, and she just sat there on Vanderpump Rules, just scowling like, this piece of garbage, why am I wasting my professional degree on him? Well, also who did that was Craig's therapist

on Southern Charms. She was really good. When he's like, I'm an amazing liar. I just lie all the time and it's so good nobody ever catches me. And she's like, um, why? Why do you? Then we never saw her again.

But Dr. Ken, Dr. Ken actually believes he's making an impact when all he does is very little. So. The other ones were just disgusted, you know what I mean? But Dr. Ken thinks he's helping. He really does. So he's like, so you don't have anything going on with Dennis?

And she's like, right. And he's like, so you can't control what anyone else says. You can only stand on what you know. And what do you know? Nothing, great. All right, that'll be $500. So now we go to elsewhere, moving elsewhere in Atlanta, upbeat music, et cetera, and we're finally at

the Pampered by Porsche event. It's an event that apparently only people from this cast have been invited to, and Lauren, of course. So it turns out, oh sorry, go ahead. No, I was gonna say, this felt like a pretty, like this event was mentioned late in the episode and I feel like it was just, I think this event was only whipped up

in the past 24 hours, because this is just like the cast going to a rented space, right? Yeah, and this is the typical, like I said I'm gonna have an event, but I'm really just like the cast going to a rented space, right? Yeah, and this is the typical, like I said I'm gonna have an event, but I'm really suckering the cast into doing promo for my line, and not paying them.

It's one of those events. Yes. So they're all, and I was excited when I saw it because everybody's in lingerie and stuff, and I was like, oh my God, that was one of the best Atlanta episodes of all time, the pajama party, you know? That was a good one, but this was not that.

This was just like pampered by Portia. They were all dressed in lingerie to do a photo shoot. So they come and then what even makes it worse is you're gonna try and have a meditation session with Lauren as the person who's, I want Lauren. Lauren needs her own meditation. What do you think it's like working for Portia? Heal thyself.

I think it's time for Lauren and Mal to have their own spinoff. Just the sisters of, and they could just do boring things together. So Portia's like, I wanna be taken seriously as a brand, which is why I invited no one to this event, except for my castmates. I mean, she had rented this cavernous space,

well, not cavernous, but well not cavernous, but it feels cavernous because it's a whole big-ass space and there's like six people here and it's empty and echoey and awkward. So, but she wants to be taken seriously as a brand and she's like, for a long time I was identified solely as a wife and that really held me back, but now I put, I put that title down and picked up the one that's gonna pay the bills, pampered by Porsche Sheets. I mean, listen, I love to lie down, but I don't get it. I still don't really get it.

So then Drew's like- Did we see Sheets? Did we see Sheets at this event, by the way? I don't know, were they posing on a bed or something? I forget what they were posing on. There's a lot of lingerie. I mean, if you're selling lingerie, that's good, because everybody looked great.

They were all wearing like crazy lingerie, but yeah, I don't know. So Drew's like, wait, this is a photo shoot? Like, is this for our personal Instagram? Or are we ambassadors for Pampered by Portia? Because I never signed a contract for that and I know she made good money with me on Go Naked. I knew this was a setup.

Yeah, it is a setup. It truly is. So Portia's saying, you know, at some point you just need to stop arguing and moving forward and she's decided that she's gonna move forward, which is called growth. I'm like, okay, well, I will look forward to seeing the footage of you moving forward

with any of your feuds. I'm sure that will happen someday. I will be nice to everybody today so I can tag them in this Instagram post and get more views. And then I will go back to shit later. So she's saying she wants to confront Shamiah, but she doesn't wanna do it today.

And she needs to set it aside because she doesn't want to fight with Shemeah here or have any strife with her. So meanwhile, Kelly and Shemeah sit in a separate room and Kelly's like, well, I was a bit disturbed about what Drew said about you. Shemeah. And then we see a flashback to Drew saying,

well, Shemeah said I need to put on my pink girl panties and bark up the right tree because she's been Portia's lap dog for a long time. And Angela clutches her pearls and laughs. So then Shemeah is like, she's like, okay, well, carry on with that narrative. And Kelly's like, I can understand why she said that, but I can also understand why that came about

just from like, you know, Portia and Angela having a conversation, Angela and Portia, Angela said Portia was in tears, and Shamia's like, about what? She's like, about you, and about how you always run and tell certain sides of stories,

and basically you're up Portia's ass. So then Shamia's like, I love Portia, she's like a sister, and I can't believe she allowed a conversation about me to be had, and then not even mention it to me That really hurts. We've seen many seasons of People talking shit about Portia and Shamiah just laughing and kind of joining in with them We not I mean, I think we have but she's doing the whole you have let them have a conversation about me

Didn't say anything. Oh, dear. You had a conversation about Portia about me didn't say anything? How dare you? You had a conversation about Porsche. You were literally venting about Porsche, you know? And you vented to people you didn't know very well, so it was inevitable that that was going to go back to Porsche, you know? And I understand what-

She's like, I'm so mad that Porsche had a conversation with people about me venting about Porsche to those people. Like, are you listening to yourself? It's the classic sidekick wants to get main character energy and it always creates huge ripples because the main character, the one that the sidekick is attached to never wants to lose their sidekick. And then the sidekick always looks then kind of like they're like, like a social climber or something.

So then they get a lot of flack and then they're just trying to get their way. And it usually leaves the best drama, but neither of them can understand why there is drama in the first place because the sidekick's like, I'm just being mistreated and the main character person's like, I always treat my sidekick well, why does she wanna stop being my sidekick?

So that's what they're going through, the classic reality show sidekick main character breakup. So now Lauren leads them through meditation, which sounds painful. Lauren, stay away from my brain. You've numbed it enough by being on this show for 10 years. Leave me alone. So Shamia will not meditate. She's just sitting up.

Everybody else is lying down and going through the thing, but she's refusing to do it because she's upset. She's very hurt. So Kelly's like, are you going to meditate? She goes, you're messing it up. And she's like, well, but you're not meditating. And she goes, well, I was told if I felt comfortable to lie back and close my eyes,

but I do not feel comfortable and I do not feel peace because somebody is hurting my peace. And she's right over there pampered my Porsche. is hurting my peace and she's right over there, pampered my Portia. Yeah, and so she's doing this very dramatic anti-meditation thing and Portia keeps going, shh, shh, shh. She's literally shushing her,

which is also not helping the meditation, but it felt not unlike what I imagine your experience at centers was like. So Shumia's like, well, she might not feel peace either now, might be choking her. And Kelly's like, release your feelings, that's what you're supposed to do. So now Shumia's like, well, was she talking shit?

And Kelly says, well, basically everything that you told Angela, Angela went and told Portia. I'm sorry to be the one to have to tell you this at this very important meditation center done by some girl who doesn't know what she's doing. And Lauren's like, let's let loving kindness linger as much as possible. Peace never comes as close as it does

when you're wrapped in a pampered by Porsche seat. Am I right? So she's basically like, okay, so I told you guys how to talk to each other. So talk to each other in therapy speaks and just like, Miss Porsche, may I speak with you? Porsche like, sure. Um, I just want to say that I appreciate your apology the other day. And you know, we're not gonna get along all the time, but I hope that we can do more. Do you receive that? And Portia's like, I receive that. And I'm glad that we're both hopefully moving forward

towards a future friendship because I think that's possible. So everyone's like, yay. And something Kelly's like, well, I wanna talk about a woman I admire. I admire both Shumah and Portia. You have such a good friendship. And I want Portia and Shemeah to have a conversation about Shemeah talking about Portia

and then Portia finding out and talking about Shemeah and then Shemeah getting mad. Now Portia's mad and everybody should fight. Okay, let's do that. Let's do that instead. So Portia's like, I received that. And Shemeah's like, wait, who said that I said something? Because I haven't even talked to you at Portia's like, um, I received that and she means like wait who said that I said something because I haven't even talked yet

Portia, so let me talk about my feelings and she's like well Angela and I spoke yesterday about Shamia and Apparently Shamia is a best friend and I'm a bad friend and that was a conversation and Lawrence like how did that make you feel? How did hearing that make Lauren whoever gave Lauren a talking stick, take it back. Portia's like, it makes me feel like shit. It saddens me. And Shemeah's like, I've never been the one to talk about my quote unquote friends behind their back, even though I did in this case.

So anything that was brought back to her, that allegedly brought her to tears yesterday, has not been communicated to me. So no one has communicated to me about what I communicated to them first, that they have one has communicated to me about what I communicated to them first that they have not communicated back to me about what I said the first place. That's what you're talking about.

You said it. Why does anyone have to go back to you to say, hey, just so you know, you said this thing? It's like, no, you said it. It got back to Portia as you should have known it would. And so now we're down to the real meat of the issue, which is that Portia didn't go to Shami's wedding in Kenya.

So Portia's like, well, you said that I didn't come to your wedding and that Shamia said I also didn't want her to come on the show and I didn't say that. And Shamia's like, well, yeah. And I asked you about that and you showed me your receipts of how you did not say you wanted me to only be a friend of but how you wanted me to be a housewife, okay? So I did bring it up to you and you proved it wrong.

So anything that these girls have said that I've said about you, I've said it to you to your face. And Brink goes, let it out Shemeah, let it out. Shemeah's like, I'm not an angel for sure, for sure, but if you come to me and try to have a conversation about Portia, I shut it down. Have I not, unless the conversation was started by me and try to have a conversation about Portia, I shut it down. Have I not? Unless the conversation was started by me

and was behind Portia's back. But other than that, I shut the conversations down. And Kelly's like, you definitely tell him. Portia's like, well, how is that not reciprocated? No one has said anything about you in this room. My energy that is supposed to be a safe space to have a conversation, so when it comes to what Angela said, what would make you question your friendship and or attack it?

And I was like, well, you didn't shut down Angela saying stuff, so you can't act like you shut it down. I mean, they're both a mess. Well, but Angela wasn't talking shit about Shemia. She was just saying what Shemia said about Portia, right? Oh, OK. All right, I see what you're saying, yeah. So then Angela's like, well, Shemia,

I feel like you're afraid to say things that are bothering you. And I never would have, like, I would have never known Portia didn't come to your wedding, you know? And Portia's like, well, for the record, I didn't go to her wedding in Kenya because a couple of months prior to that, we weren't speaking. Okay, but before you said you didn't go

because you got a doctor's note because you couldn't sit and coach. Something like that. Yeah, she's like because you couldn't sit and coach. Something like that. Yeah, she's like, I can't sit and coach. The doctor gave me a note that said I would be too squished. I think by the way, it's fully reasonable to be like, yeah, I can't go to your wedding in Kenya. I think that when a wedding is out of the country in general,

it's always, if someone says like, I'm sorry, I just can't make it, I think that when a wedding is out of the country in general, if someone says like, I'm sorry, I just can't make it, I think that's okay. I really do. Even if it's your best friend, it's just a schlep. You have to go to a whole other country, especially Kenya's far, okay? I got invited to a wedding in Pakistan once. I was like, have a great time.

I can't make it. It's just too much work. I'm sorry. Yeah, that's too far. I'm trying to look, I'm gonna say flight time. Especially if you weren't make it. It's just too much work, I'm sorry. Yeah, that's too far. I'm trying to look, I'm gonna say flight. Especially if you weren't talking beforehand. I understand if it's like, but you're my best, best, best, best friend,

you gotta come to Kenya, fine. But if you guys weren't talking in the months leading up to the wedding, then you really can't expect someone to show up all the way to Kenya for you. It's a day, it takes a whole day just to get out there. It takes 19 hours to get there. Also, Portia hates Kenya.

They've had a rivalry for many seasons. They only just buried the hatchet and now Kenya's not even on the show. Why would she even go to a country that reminds her of her biggest rival? I'm not going to that house down in a gutter. It's too far down a hill. So, but now we find out the real reason in a gutter, it's too far down a hill.

But now we find out the real reason is that she and Shemeah were on shaky ground anyway and hadn't been talking, so why would she go? And Shemeah's like, but you didn't tell me that. She goes, I did, I told you I couldn't sit in the front seat, which I think she means private class or something. And Shemeah's like, well, I didn't know, we even had an issue.

And she goes, but then when we started speaking, it was too close to the flight leaving. And by the time we started speaking, I was in your traditional wedding that was here in Atlanta. Okay, so you had two weddings and you know they were both giant because she's rich as fuck. So I think that's okay.

You just go to the local one. Now it's not okay to keep lying about why you're not going, I guess. Just say, can you as far? I don't want to know Now all this being said I do want to say I I actually I think the wedding thing is not a strong point for Shamiah but I think Shamiah probably has a Pretty good list of stuff where she has been kind of either overshadowed by

Portia or portions sort of like shadow on her like for instance Shemia at the beginning of the season had this whole big party, Portia shows up super late and not only that walks in right when, during like Shemia's big moment and like Portia also shat on Shemia doing her single. So like there is a pattern of Portia being like, you're my sidekick and I'm always gonna remind you that even when you have a big moment to shine,

I'm gonna somehow like undermine it. So I do feel like Shemia probably has a strong case here, but I don't feel like the wedding is the strongest point for her to make here. Even though I don't think she actually was. I think the stuff you said is a strong case, but she's not bringing that stuff up, you know? Yeah, yeah.

This is why she's actually kind of messing up. But I do think if she brings it into evidence, I'll agree. Yes, we have decided, like if, in fact, I think that's what was frustrating is that this would be the time to bring that up, to say, look, I love you, but there are times when I feel like

when I'm trying to shine, you undermine me. And then bring these pieces of evidence in. And I think it's like a case closed. Well, she gets a better argument as we come, but this whole like, I've never allowed anyone to talk about my friendships and apparently that's not reciprocated. Well, she gets a better argument as we come, but this whole like, I've never allowed anyone to talk about my friendships and apparently that's not reciprocated.

I think that's stupid. That's a weak point. That's weak. And that's also not true because you've been talking about your relationship to everybody. That's the point. So it doesn't make any sense.

And Angela's like, and you don't feel like Portia hears you. And she goes, well, she heard you loud and clear, but she won't listen to me. So now she's mad. It just doesn't, I don't like this. So she goes, well, how'd you all become so close where now our friendship can be discussed?

And you were at odds with her, but now you can discuss our friendship. And so Portia's like, well, wait, why were you all attacking our friendship in the first place? And Angela goes, because it's laid out on a silver platter. Cynthia's like, oh, I really hate when the circle breaks up friendships. It's really sad to see. You're the one who came back to the show. Okay, settle down. So Cynthia says that their friendship is deep. They've known each other since they were children. And you know, somewhere Andy Cohen's

like, yeah, can't wait to destroy it. So Shamiah is like, there's a lot of hurt. And it's okay. I don't expect to have resolve right now. I've just always chosen to give grace. Oh, come on. You were being messy. You were complaining about Portia. And now it's come back. You like stop trying to take the high road here. Yeah, and Portia says, Well, thank you for your grace. And she goes, Oh, so you're gonna be sarcastic now.

She goes, no, I'm a piece of shit. I'm a piece of shit. That's cool. So it's like a passive aggressive off, dun, dun, dun. But as we know, they're not friends after the season. So I guess this gets worse. But if this is what this entire fight is built on,

it's kind of weak. I mean, I guess we'll just have to see. It looks like they have a sit down next week. Yeah, I was gonna say, I actually don't think it's weak. I just think that the wedding thing is not so strong, but it sounds like, I think that really what it is is that Shamiah is coming into her own and Portia doesn't like it.

Shamiah is also has built up resentment and is torn between wanting to confront Portia about it and wanting to be the person who's bigger than it. And I think it's just just a shit show that's brewing. And I'm surprised they waited so lightly in the season to start to start kind of like emphasizing this storyline, because we're shockingly enough. We're like 10 or 11 episodes already into the season. I keep thinking we're like an episode six, but we're really pretty deep in it.

Yeah, here we are. Yeah. Deep thoughts by Ben. Oh. Atlanta. That's it everyone. Well next week we get a scene of their, we get their sit down and it doesn't look like it goes very well, Shemia versus. I don't know, I just think with this whole thing,

we've never really seen Portia talk shit about Shemia. We've seen the stuff like you said about her being shitty or shady about the song and the wedding stuff was years ago. But then the other stuff that happened this season, like her showing up late and being a diva during the car reveal or whatever. We've seen stuff like that, but we haven't really seen Portia talking shit about Shemia. And we haven't seen Shemia say anything really mean about Portia, but we have seen her say over and over that she doesn't like being called Portia's lap dog

and this and this and that. So it'll be interesting to see where it goes. It's just sad that a relationship can go that far off the rails based on this. Like, I don't like that you talk to somebody about our relationship. I think that's weak. I don't know.

But we'll see. We'll see where it goes. I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying, Ronnie. They need to get Phaedra in here already. Jesus Christ, how long does it take to sign her? Just get her over here. I know, it's taken a very long time. Well, anyway, we'll see what happens with that relationship. And thanks everyone for being here. And we'll catch you on the next episode. Bye everybody! Bye! Watch what crappins would like to thank its premium sponsors!

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