Watch What Crappens - #2856 Below Deck Bonus: Chef Tzarina Plates It Up

Episode Date: May 23, 2025

The talented and charming Chef Tzarina @cheftzarina from Below Deck Down Under joins us to talk backstage antics, therapy, and the pressure of making a successful TV show while cooped up in a stainless steel cage with no AC. We had a great time, and so will you. Enjoy! @bravotSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me today is the wonderful and glorious Ronnie Karam. Hey Ronnie, what's going on? Well, hello Ben. Hi, we have a very special episode today. And first, by the way, let me mention patreon.com slash watch what happens to watch us on video and catch our bonus episodes. All that great stuff, recaps of the white lotus traders, love Island starting in June, great stuff going on.

But for today, we're very excited because we've been super into below deck down under. And one of our favorites on that show is the chef, Zarina. And we are lucky enough to have her on the episode today. We have recorded an interview with her and without further ado, let's get right into it. Shall we? Let's do it. Everyone, please welcome to Watch Where Crap Ends the one and only the chef, the chef of Down Under, Zarina. Hi, Zarina. How are you? Hi, good. Thank you for having me.

Oh my goodness, we're so excited to have you on the show and we have so many questions. First of all, my first question is, do you know, are you gonna be able to, are you going to BravoCon this year? Okay, so I'm actually trying to look for the email to see where my invite is because it's obviously lost somewhere.

So I really thought that I would be going and I'm just every day like refreshing my email like maybe they got my email address wrong because my invite should be here somewhere but you never know who they're going to invite last minute and hopefully it will be me. Well just ask them. I think that's one of the things you don, because they're rambling on so many people. Literally, like, who do I call up? Like, hi, Mr. BravoCon. I don't know.

Yes. Mr. BravoCon is actually, he's actually a real person and is in control of all the invitations we've heard. Maybe Laura intercepted it. Well, if you can get that email for me from Mr. BravoCon. We don't get emails. Are you kidding? We'll be outside their window, like climbing up, like, are you having this?

I'm going to be joining you by the sounds of it. We're just outside their window like climbing up like, are you having fun? I'm going to be joining you by the sounds of it. We're just going to be there together like, oh. Just come anyway. I just go to that to gamble. So just come and we'll just play. We'll play for a whole time. Oh, there we go. We're just let's show an Airbnb and just turn up.

Yeah, exactly. We'll just get a hotel across the street and then you just come and say hi to fans anyway and then just go back to gambling. Exactly. Sorry, Asia. Sorry, Kate. Hi. So how has it been going with this second season of Below Deck Down Under? How's it been the second time around for you? Well, this is not just the second. It's just a complete, it was just a complete opposite of my first experience. You know, and I, it's like night and day, you know, and I just, I came out my first season just so happy and had these friendships and like, like no worries and like Asia and I still talk together, talk to Margot, talk to everyone, you know, like Harry was coming to visit me all the time.

To then this season, like, it was just this like whirlwind of mayhem of just I felt like it's just dicks are being chucked at my face every fucking day with everything from like the Weevils to the sous chef to, you know, Lara to everything to just, I was like, what the fuck is happening? I literally felt like I was pulling every single short straw this season and also the rocking on that boat. Like, I am miserable the whole time because I'm just seasick constantly. Yeah. Last episode, they're showing a lot of the rock, the rocking becomes actually part of

the storyline where people are barking and stuff. Finally! Yeah, but they hadn't shown that the whole season, right? I don't feel like that was a big part of the season. I mean, it's because there's so much drama, thank thank you to Enchanté. But I just, yeah, there was no space for the rocking, but it was like that almost constantly. And I was just, you know, and I think also as well, like something that I've, like out of this season, like, even though I had a sous chef, I actually had less time and I didn't actually, I was more focused on giving Alicia breaks,

so I would work harder because I just wanted to look after her so much. But I don't, I don't really think in the day or anything I had a break. I was just like 20 hours a day. Why did you have less time? I don't know. I think it's because the provisions, getting them to the Seychelles from France, like the amount of paperwork that I was having and then constant calls from the provisioners who do an incredible job that they have no control of what happens in France. So that you create this whole menu, you get all excited, you get your order in and then

like it's always like the day before, oh, we couldn't get this, we couldn't get that. And then, so, you're then suddenly recreating menus, and then every single night felt like ready, steady, cook, because you don't actually know what turns up because it's coming in from a flight from France. Pete Slauson Oh, my God. Jason Suellentrop I'm surprised they didn't show that, actually. I guess there was just so much interpersonal drama that they didn't want to focus on. Jennifer Pintillier Yeah, I just think there's so much personal drama that that is like boring, I guess. Your season started off with that douchebag sous chef who was like, I'm going to go work

somewhere else, be a star. And I heard that his next charter didn't last either that he went to. Do you know any gossip on that, dude? either that he went to. Do you know any gossip on that, dude? I... Did he ever reach out to you and be like, oh, sorry, I was a dick? None of that. Facebook friends, was he like, hey, I'm following you now? He's on his own path. And really, like, something I will give him credit for is that he is actually an incredible chef.

He just needs to drop some ego and in the future he could actually be something incredible. Oh, good for him. Like he really, really, he really was good. Even like, you know, I know he like messed up a few dishes and the octopus and stuff like that. But it's just a fact that every single chef makes mistakes and you don't have to exaggerate it and point fingers like he always did. Like, you know, he made a mistake and I was like, shit happens, you know? But it's like this craving for perfection. And a lot of people this season was really, it was very intense for this. I think it's new people on the screen as well with, you know, like, you know, that this

is how the world's going to see me so I have to be perfect when I think like more personalities like Asia and I are basically like, let's just get this shit done, you know, and cut as many corners as possible and just smile as much as we can. You know? Are there, do you feel like, are the rules for like, sous chefs kind of, are they just sort of subjective from chef to chef, kitchen to kitchen? Or are there certain things like industry standards, like if you're a sous chef, you're doing X, Y and Z. Like, was there like a disconnect or that he, because he seemed to think that he was basically going to be

essentially like a junior partner to you or something and you were very much like, yeah, no, you need to do some good stuff to help. You never really know what he's being prepared for coming on. You know, but if you and I did do this post, I actually googled what a sous chef's role is on that size boat. And it was everything that I was asking him to do. But the thing, the credit that I will give him for is the fact that he was used to huge boats, which I've been on also, where the head chef is basically in the office and the sous chef does all the cooking and all of this and the head chef just comes out to plate the food and go and gives it to the guests and takes all the credit. So I think because he's from these huge yachts that he was used to doing that, but also in those

huge boats, they have like three crew chefs and two guys washing up. And he'd never been on a boat this size before. So I think it was just maybe like the mix up. And that's also from my side as a boss, I should have read his CV more and actually come to him and shown him on Google and like kind of explained to him like on this boat, this is actually the role. So let's go with it. But also the boss. So if you say this is what we're doing, he should just be like, okay, this is what I'm doing. He can also just get in line. I'm doing. He can also just like get in line. Yeah, I think for me, like when he left, it was like, you know, it was, I feel like when he left and also when Vian left, it was almost like the season like started, you know, because

before that, it was just a lot of, you know, a lot of everything. A lot of male egos and a lot of toxic around. Then suddenly when all the boys left then it was just Harry and all the girls left on the beach on the day off together, you know. Pete Well, it was interesting to see once those guys left because the first part of the season was so full of like male toxicity and like the male ego thing. And then the second part of the season moved over to women ego, like battling, like with, it kind of moved to the women dynamic. And I was like, oh, this is different

because you don't often see that on the show where it's two heads of department or both women and just trying to navigate around those feelings and stuff. Cause a lot of the stuff that we saw this season on screen was feelings. It was like, well, this is what I felt like because of stuff that happened when I was younger. So it was,. It was like, well, this is what I felt like because of stuff that happened when I was younger. So it was, you know, like this episode, you're talking a lot about

how you're just triggered by Laura because of things that had happened when you were a kid. And then she's talking about like how she's triggered by you because of things that happened with her boyfriend and like how you acted maybe went to lunch with her boyfriend or whatever. After you were together, it was a totally different thing. Can I actually say something about that? Like egos and how they work together, you know? You gotta say it, yeah, say it for sure. I literally was at the stage that my therapist was like, drop it, Zarina, we're letting

go, it's almost at the end. Lara's saying that on screen that I went to go and have lunch with her cheating boyfriend a month after they broke up. She sent me to go and spy on him to meet the new girl. Oh, and then she used it against you later. Yeah, and now she used it against me. She was like, I need to know what this new girl's like, go, like, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go.

And I was like, yeah, well, you know, I don't mind him. I actually saw him at the boat show, you know, recently, you know, that's them, you know? And also when we worked on the boat together, he was actually the only person that was nice to me. So I will always take that. Jason Vale Yeah, it must be hard. I would imagine that being on a being a yadi is much like being a gay guy. Because we always talk about when we go out, whenever you meet somebody that you're dating, you have to be like, Okay, well, who did you bang in this friend circle, you know, because it's a smaller, smaller circle. We can't have that.

I think I think I'm gonna regret saying this, but it's just like, you know, she uses God. But yeah, it's just like, when I heard that it for me, I was just like, this guy, like, he wasn't nice to her. Like, I'm gonna 100% give her that like he cheated on her all the time. She'll come running to my apartment and cry all the time or always let her in always hug her every time he's cheated on me again, he's cheated on me again. I kept being like break up with him, break up with him. And now watching back this season because they were working together, I was just thinking, God, all he had to do is say that she was late for work. You found the trigger point. That's all he had to do.

That's all he had to do. And then it probably wouldn't. That's so bitchy. Oh my God, that is so completely bitchy. But it's also funny. You're at the right table for that. That one actually really catty. I'm a little bit shocked at myself. I think I'm just a bit tricky watching it back and being like,

is this girl still lying? Well, yeah, she brought it into evidence. You know what I mean? You didn't bring that up out of nowhere. It was in the show, so. So you obviously had like a really, a close relationship with Lara, enough that she would come to your place

and would be either crying or whatever, like she would be venting to you about her boyfriend. So watching this season, you know, obviously it seemed like a big turning point between the two of you as presented on screen was the mafia night where there was the issue with the plates. And it felt like these were the plates that destroyed a friendship. And how, why were you guys not able to like, given that you have like a friendship and everything, why were you not guys not able to sort of like,

cut this off at the pass and instead it really just got worse and worse and worse from that point on. I just, for me, I just realized, like, if I say no to this person, I, you know, it's going to make it worse for me, you know, I was having, so below deck are incredible for this by the way. After every single charter, I was allowed to take my microphone off and go and have two hours of therapy with my therapist. And so I think this is why I've kept a lot of my cool with certain situations and also not kept my cool in a lot of situations. But basically, like, my, it's just like this constant thing that goes around in my head is that you just, you can't say no to a narcissist. And so it's like this, like, with the plate, so I was like, well, if I if I say no to her, then that's when the war is going to start. You know, but then I felt like I really lost

something in me. And then in the end, I was like, she's just going to take everything from me and take my sous chef and take everything unless I actually start standing up for myself. And I can't believe that for the first time, I've ever like start standing up for myself. And I can't believe that for the first time I've ever like probably stood up for myself ended up being on TV. Wow. You know? Because it wasn't really about the plates, right? But it wasn't. This is the thing. And it wasn't about the crew mess. Like all the crew were

helping out with the crew area. You know, Adair every night was cleaning it. Harry would go down and clean it. Everyone would chip in and help. But it was just this like power trip of pokey, pokey, pokey. And I just always felt like I had to like almost stand in front of Alicia and be like, no to her. Yeah, it was wildly inappropriate. It feels like Alicia is supposed to be in the galley with you and

you're prepping meals. You guys are the smallest department and you have to service all these guests and all the crew. You guys have so much literally on your plate. And so it was just wild to us watching that. Why is she calling upon Alicia to clean this crew mess? There's literally three deckies, three stews and a swing. Yeah, and literally also like watching her like pow wows lying on the bed talking about boys in the morning. Like, so who's kissed who last night and all of this? Clean the fucking crew mess.

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So it's like, well, you know, extra time. There's actually a different reason why she got upset over that. She basically, it's just, she wanted to say that Alicia was allowed to go swimming, not me, because before she had basically let her go swimming in the middle of other things that I've done, but they only showed it that time.

Jason basically said to me as well like that your girl needs something nice and I was like yeah she does and Elisa gets very tired and she's not a morning person and her brain just needed to wake up you know so it's just like I'm just the best way to do it's like it's either get in a cold shower or jump in the water and there's an opportunity for her to actually do something fun and get some dopamine and some oxytocin, but it was just, Lara was upset because she wasn't the one who said, you may go and do this. And I, and I, and I made this. It's a control thing. It's a control thing kind of like the rest. I mean, a lot of the questions I think viewers have after watching it is so many of the below decks operate differently as I imagine different yachts do. I mean, in some of them, you see

the chief stew and the chef go over what dishes are going to be used at the very beginning, like here we go, these are the dishes we're going to use tonight. And they kind of go over the theme and everything, where it seems like the dishes were something that happened in the very end, or, you know, where she noticed at the very end, like, I don't want to use these dishes or the crew mess. Like, if the crew mess, if we're not deciding how the crew mess is going to be handled, who decides that? I mean, is that ultimately something that the captain needs to come in and say, okay, well today I'm going to come in and I'm going to delineate these, you know, I'm going to give every, I'm going to make lines in the sand of who does what? Yeah, I think I do feel like I needed personally like a bit more from Jason and the fact that

like, again, if you Google it, like the chef, like outranks a chief stewardess, right, you know, and also like, I think one of my favorite comments was her being like, she doesn't even call me cheese stewardess. I'm not here demanding being like, please call me head chef. It's head chef Zarina to you. Like, I just need to get out food and do it in peace. And I actually have communication. And I'm so sorry that the radio doesn't match your sexy outfit tonight, but I'm going to need that communication from you.

Yeah. You know? I said, what do you say? We definitely noted a new microaggression there. I was like, okay, Chief Stewardess noted. Yeah. What you said, when you made that comment, I've never had a stewardess like, you know, you know, change me on plates, whatever it was. Were you trying to get under her skin in that moment?

Or was it just like, you just were tired. I'm working 20 hour days. I'm on a night out, you know, like, I'm so sorry that I didn't say chief, you know, it's but when you when you watched it back, were you kind of like, ha, you know, I'm like I didn't even say that but it was kind of funny that it got under his Reading I didn't really know like I Didn't see it in a I didn't see it any of it in a malicious way at all Just because for me watching back is that she being really emotional It's seeing a friendship that I thought was really strong and I'm just

watching it collapse more and more and more. And also I feel like it's brought out a, like, it's almost like she just knows how to poke me and try and get, you know, a reaction in these certain things out of me so she can go, Oh, see, I told you, I told you, it's her. You know, she's very good at antagonizing, that's the word. Pete Slauson So, we saw in this episode that you guys had made up, you know, Jason told her, look, all you have to do is apologize. And she was like, what? And so she did it and it worked. Anna-Maria Yeah, and thankfully, like, Jason is just a hero at this point, but still she thinks like, you know, I'm favored in some way and it couldn't possibly be that she's done something wrong. It's because Captain

Jason favors me. It's like, why can't you just, you know, just really reflect and just realize that like, it wasn't about favoritism. You know, like you, you actually have to take some accountability and if the captain is telling you just go and do it because he's not telling me, you know, like captain notices everything. That man is like, fuck it's like a sneaky little cat that just he's in every single department. He knows everything that's going on that man.

He just walks around really quietly. Yeah, that guy's hiding behind the damn door every, every scene. Yeah, literally. Kind of lurking there hearing what's going on that man. He just walks around really quietly. Yeah, that guy's hiding behind the damn door every scene. He's kind of lurking there, hearing what's going on. Jason knows what's going on. He knows the deal. He's got a stealth kimono. I thought it was interesting when you brought up mental health stuff that Boulodek is really good about making sure that there's a couple of hours to talk to your therapist. Because you see on some shows like The Bachelor where they have mental health people there as part of the crew. Is that how Below Deck works? Or do you guys have your own people that you

can talk to? So I've had my own therapist for ages, but I've also used the Below Deck ones. Whenever at any point while filming, if we say to anyone that's around us or even point into a camera and say, you know I need to talk to the therapist or something They they jump straight on it Dave and they it's obviously all for free through Bravo as well. Like they That the mental health side of it with Bravo is actually compared to any other reality TV show is incredible.

And I've had sessions with their therapist before as well, you know, and it's different to how my therapist is because she's obviously known me for years and knows how my neurodivergent brain works and my ADHD and my patterns and stuff. So it was easier for me to personally, at the end of every chart, I have my own personal therapist, because she, because I would be like, you know, I just fucking screened at Lara and she'd be like, Okay, well, where was that from? You know, so she could help me navigate it. I'm a therapy whore. I mean, one thing that when I watched the season at this point of the season when things are so tense, it's remarkable to me that then you two both have to share a bedroom together.

And when you're talking about therapy, I have to imagine sitting there in that room with the person who's driving you nuts. I mean, how do you, how did you even deal with that? I don't know. She actually tried to kick me out a few times and move Brian. But I kept saying like, if you want to move, you have to do it. Like I'm too busy. Like if you need to move all your stuff and do your thing, then you do it. But yeah, no, she she constantly just wanted to bunk with Brie. Like I think that's literally from like charter to. Wow. Wow. Yeah. You know, and were there things, you know, going back to what you talked about with the

plates, you said, like, you know, you don't want to say no to a narcissist. So that implies that leading up to that plate moment, there were things that were happening between you two that clearly brought you to a place like, oh God, like, like, this, this lady's a narcissist or at least she's a pain in my ass. And we saw hints of it. But was there, was there more than, than was portrayed in the show that was maybe sidelined because of all the beyond drama? Mm hmm. It was a lot of comments, mocking, putting me down from day one, which I just wasn't even expecting. It was like night and day from the phone call we had before stepping on board of,

we're gonna be girls, we're gonna lift each other up, I love you so much. To as soon as I go up to her like, you're a sexy mama, she looks at me like I'm an absolute freak and weirdo. And I was like, fuck. Like something just... Yeah.

The TV effect take place. Yeah. To be honest, actually, I didn't think of that. It could be about cameras and having to look and act a certain way, you know? You know, it's part, a lot of it is from watching so many Housewives shows, because we cover so much Bravo. And a lot of that happens on Housewives

where someone will bring, they'll recommend their friend for a show. Did you recommend her for the show? Yeah. Well, so no. So, well, yes, I did. So she, she's still in denial about this, but again, like I had the receipts. Um, so, um, it makes sense. You were on the same boat and then she ended up on TV.

So, I mean, yeah. So basically they wanted her for other franchises and she kept being like, oh, I don't know. Then she called me up. I think about six months before being like, Oh, I don't know. Then she called me up, I think about six months before being like, Are you doing Down Under because I will only do Below Deck if I'm with you. And I was like, and I do that there was someone else that was going to be the chief stewardess and I, I, she denies this, that I literally basically convinced them and begged them that Lara would

be the better option. And I've never regretted anything more. But actually, my therapist will hate me for saying that because you never know who the other person would have been. Right, that's true. It could have been a monster. So, you know, the world works in its certain ways and what I've gotten realized out of this season is so much learning, you know, and so I think with, you know, the therapy

has helped so much, I understand and understanding what toxic behaviors are and actually this whole season watching it back now, I'm studying therapy, I'm watching it almost like a documentary, you know? And are you seeing any stuff that makes you look at her differently? Like when you see how she's talking about her feelings being hurt or whatever and her confessionals, or I saw she did a, I think it was a TikTok or an Instagram Live or something where she was saying, you know, I know you guys have just watched this episode and all the haters are out in full force and she didn't really say sorry or anything. I guess it was just a bad episode for her and she was coming out basically saying like, it hurts, you know, when you guys are coming after me and stuff.

And I would imagine that would be hard watching having the whole world reacting to you or calling you an asshole. I mean, I feel absolutely terrible for her and the hate that she's getting. Like there's no person in the world that should ever get death threats. And this is why I went on my social media and was literally like, people need to calm the fuck down. It's a TV show. Like we can laugh about it, we can make jokes and stuff.

But the difference is, is at the beginning of everything of Anthony and everyone saying that I was a shit chef, I was getting death threats and all of this, but I wasn't going on my social media and crying about it. You know, and all she was doing is putting more fire like on the flame on her social media like, yeah, the siren has always been like this, you know, and, you know, but when it's the other way around, no, you stop it. You stop the body. It feels like you've always been like that, then why would you?

Why do you think that she would want to come on the same season as you? Do you think that she felt like she would have a built in? I don't know. I don't know. I yeah, I, when I really don't know, to be honest, like I, it for me, it's really tricky because I feel like I am so proud of myself for being neurodivergent, dyslexic, ADHD and all of this, and I managed to do something as incredible as Below Deck and support those people and get myself out there and build myself a platform where I'm at a stage where I can actually begin to help other people to then introduce her into my world, which took me so much in my career to get to that stage to have the honor of being invited to Below Deck, to then be treated like that. I think that for me was just like the biggest stab in the back for me. It's like I let you in my world and I put you on a platform from

day one. I put you right up there on that platform and told everyone how incredible you were. You know, no messaging Captain Jason got an incredible cheese stew this like season or the production. Like, you know, this season, all the production. This is going to be great. This is going to be great to turn around and get that. Yeah, what I was going to say earlier, speaking of ADD, is when we watch Housewives shows, a lot of times you'll see women bring their friends in and get them on the show. And then the first thing they do, like within two or three weeks, is turn on the friend, get them on the show and then the first thing they do like within two or three weeks is turn on the friend, you know, on camera. And it's a weird phenomenon that happens when the camera turns on where I think people, it seems like people feel the need for that drama and just go for the most

comfortable way to get the drama. Yeah, I think if it's the same. I have no idea. I think that maybe the boat was really difficult. The lift didn't work. I think the pressure of all the cameras and everything, I think it must have been really, really hard for Lara and her personality type to be around that and not be able to show how perfect she was and actually have control. Her last captain literally let her have control of the whole boat and she's always been queen bee and suddenly there's two people in the way which is Jason and I and she's never had that. Yeah. You know, it must have been really difficult on those stairs every day, the heat,

you know. Oh, the stairs. Oh my god. I actually have a pressing question about this, about the air conditioning. Did you guys have air conditioning on that boat? No, I had no air conditioning in the galley. Because it's like all season long, we're seeing you guys sweat, but it's like not just outside, it's inside. It was just the air conditioning on the guests? And the shit I've got for people being like, Oh my god, you're not wearing shoes. You're in shorts in the kitchen. It's like, I have no air conditioning and I'm in a stainless steel fucking prison. Like my feet were so swollen. I couldn't get them in to my shoes. Like I'm you think I want to wear shorts and be barefoot in a kitchen. Like, it was horrendous. Horrendous.

Pete Slauson Do they not have air conditioning for the guests as well? Or is it just like the staff that didn't? Jai Radha Some of the guest cabins, I think actually, I don't know if it's this episode or the one before, Dan makes a funny comment about being in a guest cabin. And she's like, oh my god, there's actually air conditioning in here and my nipples are hard. You know, because I think it's a shock that there was a place on the boat that was actually cool.

Yeah, this is like one of the sweatiest seasons we've ever seen. So I guess, I guess my my my one of my last questions here for you is, for you and Laura, is this kind of the end of the road for you? Or is it a situation where it's like, oh, we don't work well together, but we can be friends out of the boat. But it's not our sir sounds like this is this is it a situation where it's like, oh, we don't work well together, but we can be friends out of the boat. But it's sour, it sounds like this is, this is it. Well, to tell the truth, when things started going sour for her, after I took all the hits at the first half of the season, I actually sent her a message and reached out with an

olive branch. And you know, like you, we don't need to go head to head. We can show that, you know, the public that, you know, we can, you know like you we don't need to go head to head we can show that you know the public that you know we can you know do this like well that was my audit branch. It's interesting because I'm always wondering what happens while you guys are waiting for the season to air because it takes a while and then as it airs it's all brought up again. Everyone's scared of her she's it's if we had it on our old boats, even when Adair did her

post a few days ago, she said something bad about, something about the crew mess and Adair was like, I actually clean that crew mess all the time. And she's like, I'm sorry, Lara, at the end. Whoa. Wow. Wow. So that's why it's interesting that that control would last so long after the season even wraps. What are you doing to people? That is wild. Yeah, that's wild. I don't like that. Wow.

Well, I'm glad that you've managed to emerge from this boat without being totally traumatized. To be honest, like I said, like we're studying therapy and you know, understanding limits and boundaries. It's been a huge learning curve and you know, I really thought I was going to regret this season but now I've got to such a good stage with all these last few episodes. I've actually been howling with laughter through them. You know, just how ridiculous it is to full grown-grown ass women at it over fucking plates and shit. Like, who fucking does that? Who gives a shit?

We love it. We love it. It's great for us. We love the below deck classic though. I mean, below deck is so popular because people like to watch people argue about like who mopped. It's my favorite thing ever. Like, we'll get really upset about it. It's like, she didn't clean that room right. I know. Go open arms. But no, I will say that like, everything of Laura and

everything like that boat was difficult and she did do the best that she could. It was a hard boat. It really, really was. And that's going to cause extra stress and tension in all of that. But yeah, I guess like when it comes to people from the past on Below Deck, so far we've had Joao and Lara and it's been, has not, so far we haven't had a great resolve with either of them. But my question to you is, as we wrap this up, since you are a chef and we both love

to cook, I would love to know what your favorite stuff is to cook on a yacht. On a yacht? Yes, or actually off a yacht. Like what do you like to cook on a yacht. On a yacht? Yes, or actually off a yacht. Like what do you like to cook? Yeah, I'd like to know. I mean, like everything at home and everything with my private clients is all gut health. I'm known as like the gut health queen.

I clear people's guts out. So that's what I specialize on. A lot of kimchi. Oh my God, my parents have banned me from making kimchi. But no, on boats, I actually really do enjoy making sushi because it's something that I feel like you can make really, really beautiful. Yeah. Cool. Well, this has been great chatting with you.

Yeah, I hope it wasn't too bitchy. I feel like- You're hitting your own watch what crappens. Yeah, I know, but I don't want to crappens on too many people and upset me. No, it's not being bitchy. You're just talking about the whole show is about your personalities in the season and how you work together and how it's all linked up and it's extended past the season.

So why not? It's not bitchy. Yeah, I hope not. It's just, you know, you're always so worried that you're going to, you know, be accused of bullying and all of that, but it's just like, well, this is my version of how it happened and this is how I feel. Yeah, well being accused of something and it being the truth are two different things, my friend. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah, it's great seeing you. The 8-H open book.

I can't help it. We love it. I hope you get to hang out at the slot machine in Vegas. We'll meet you somewhere. Chachachachach. Absolutely. Thank you. Thank you so much.

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