Watch What Crappens - #2857 RHOA S16E12 Part One: Country Clubbed w/ Kempire

Episode Date: May 26, 2025

This is part one of a two-part recapThe incomparable Kempire (YouTube.com/Kempire insta: @thekempire joins Ronnie to recap The Real Housewives of Atlanta. Brit has a country club event to promote her insurance spanx, Shamea and Kelli plan the group vacay, and Phaedra returns to stir up some mess in the last inning. See KEMPIRE LIVE in Philly, Washington, D.C., Atlanta & NYC! Get Tickets: https://linktr.ee/thekempireTo watch this as a video recap, listen to our Trailer Trash and Road Trip bonus episodes, and participate in live episode threads, go to Patreon.com/watchwhatcrappens. Tickets for our final Mounting Hysteria Tour in Seattle June 12 and LA June 19 are now on sale at watchwhatcrappens.com See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Kempire. Hello Kempire. How are you? Well, how are you? Thank you for having me. Thank you so much for being here. As you guys know, Ben is in Norway right now, tasting all of the jams and tin fish.

Live it his best life. The best life, wow. So we're doing this Atlanta recap gladly. You guys go check out Kempire. He is on tour this summer. It's Kempire After Dark, The Villain Era. You can check it out in Philly, July 10th, Atlanta, August 5th, DC, August 22nd, New York City, September 12th.

You can go to Linktree slash The Kempire to find tickets. Are you psyched to go on tour? Usually preparing for a tour. I'm like, uh, but once I'm there and I'm with the audience and the vibes are good, I'm great. But it's the preparation. Literally, like, the booking and all that. And then the preparation for the actual show.

What's on your rider when you go on tour? I have none. Please. You gotta have a rider. Come on. You're not at that level yet. Well, we don't really have... You know, we call it a rider, but it's M&M's and hummus. That's all we have. I mean...

I mean... But you feel fancy being like, where's my M&M's? They're like, here it is. Sometimes we'll get like a five pounder. I didn't even know they had those. I'm gonna send a strongly worded letter come Monday. All right, so what have you been doing? So you cover all sorts of...

Anyone who's new to Campire, which I'm sure aren't many of you, go check out his YouTube channel. It's fantastic and keeps me up to date. Tell us what you have been up to. I know you've had a very busy Diddy life over there. Yeah, I've been engulfed in the Diddy trial. And that was part of the reason why I haven't been traveling the last couple of weeks.

Because normally for my birthday, I usually travel. But But okay, I was like, Diddy's starting, I can't leave. So I've been giving like a summary every single day, both on the YouTube channel and the podcast of the Diddy trial and just I'm entrenched all day. Oh my god. Well, that's fitting that you feel like you can't leave because that's kind of the crux of the trial, eh? You're very method. Exactly. So that trial is disturbing as fuck. How are you doing that every day? How are you like taking care of your mental health while that's going on?

Well, you know, people might find that to be funny, but no, you really have to because it's a lot. No, I'm not joking. Yeah, no, there's a lot of interesting and just really traumatic things, even if no matter how you feel about whether or not the defense is doing their job or the prosecution is doing their job and proving the charges, it's more so just, he's admitting that he was a terrible or is a terrible person. He was a terrible person, at least to Cassie Ventura and some of the people that he worked

with. But it's also really interesting, especially because, you know, I come from a background of working for a law firm for like 15-plus years. And sort of seeing this different dynamic, because I'm not an attorney, however, seeing it from this side of things and learning new things every day when it comes to how the prosecution's handling the case or the defense and seeing how witnesses are being questioned

and how journalists are handling these stories. So it's been a really educational, interesting, traumatic some days, covering some of the details of it, especially Cassie talking about this at the very, very beginning. And her bravery, eight and a half months pregnant, getting on the street. That is crazy, seeing an eight and a half month

pregnant lady getting up on the stand. And I heard that they wanted her to go up before the jury came in so that they could, you know, not get the sympathy from the jury and all. I mean, come on. So what's his basic defense that he was a horrible person, but it was within the law and everyone's just complaining? Well, no, not within the law,

within it being just domestic violence and not racketeering or s-trafficking or anything like that. Oh, okay. So, but if you really pay attention, and I've been speaking with a lot of different attorneys, you see that the prosecution is little by little putting a puzzle together and putting the story together of, no, it's not just DV.

He used his companies and his employees to fulfill his dark fantasies and abuses. So, it's interesting. It's only two weeks in, and I think it's too soon to say whether or not he walks free. Either way, even if he does walk free, he has a lot of civil lawsuits that he's facing too. And he's gonna be in it for a while. Yeah.

Well, I mean, I know that you're getting really deep into it, because when we started this, I had to have you get a towel. You were starting with the baby oil, the lathering yourself. I was like, come on now, this is what you're at a different job today, sir. Let me tell you something. After all of this coverage of the Diddy Trial, I do not want to see a bottle of baby oil, Astro Glide or applesauce. I don't want to see any of that. Applesauce? Yeah, he loves applesauce on everything.

Why has it got to come for applesauce, man? I used to like applesauce on everything. Why has he got to come for applesauce, man? I used to like applesauce, never again. Apple sauce is dead to you. All right, let's get into this season of Real Housewives of Atlanta. So we haven't really, I don't think we've talked since this season has started. What are your overall thoughts of this reboot, this re... Look, I tried. It's not really a full reboot, but whatever.

I mean, it's quite a few new people. And when you think about it, me and Portia hasn't been there in a long time. Shemea was never full time. And now we have three new housewives. So it's subsequently a reboot. It's not a New York City reboot, thankfully, because God, we saw what happened there.

But it's been OK. It has it's had its ups and its downs. And I see the potential in some of the newbies, like a Kelly or an Angela Oakley. Britt, like I... And I'm not like a team twirl or anything like that. And it has nothing to do with that. I just feel like even this week's episode, it's just sort of like, Britt, you're so boring.

You can't even throw an event. And it's not even funny. You know there's certain people that can't throw an event because Kenya's been called out for not being able to throw an event or feed her guests. However, it's funny. funny. You know, there's certain people that can't throw an event because Kenya's been called out for not being able to throw an event or feed her guests. However, it's funny. Especially now. Oh damn. The thing is, they make it funny.

And with Britt, it's not funny. There's nothing really interesting there. And so for me, she's sort of like the only one that's sort of like, okay, I could do without her. But it's been okay this season. It's been, you know, how the kids say, mid. Yeah, I'm trying to still figure Britt out because she makes a lot of comments on the,

which we'll get into obviously, but she makes comments like, well, back when my, you know, back when my insurance company was launching, I wanted to launch Bear Naked. I was like, really? Was that your first thought when you were launching an insurance company? Like, which is first?

I hope I can get this shapewear and insurance out at the same time. But she went on to say that, what was she saying about that Bear Naked? She's like, I want to get my thing, oh yeah. But now that my insurance license is put on hold. So, do you know any information on that? What is with that? Because it seems like it can't be on hold

because her OnlyFans pictures were shown or whatever that was. I don't, I think she was lying. I think she was being dramatic. I think she was using that as sort of her chest piece to stay on the show because everyone has said, why did Kenya get fired and Britt Edie didn't for the threats that we clearly saw on camera? And it's interesting that they even kept that in there,

but I guess maybe legally they had to. But I don't believe Britt when she says that her insurance license was under investigation. We've had quite a few people call into my channel that are in insurance and have had experience or know people in insurance and like that doesn't make sense. We even had Angela Oakley say, that doesn't make sense off of a rumor, a rumor that was on media takeout. This wasn't even everywhere yet. So for her to say that they were investigating her license, I don't believe

her. I think today she said it was suspended. I think today she said, now that my license is suspended, I'll get to it in my notes later. But I think she said, now that my license is suspended or on hold, or she said something like that. And I was like, well, what else did you do? Because there were rumors that it was, if it was suspended, it was because of shadier activities on her product. No, without a doubt. It had nothing to do with Kenya

calling her a hoe or showing old photos of her. Before you even get the license, they're doing a huge background check on you. So, I don't believe it had anything to do with what Kenya said or did. Yeah, because I feel like everybody, well, not everybody, a lot of people have an OnlyFans, I was gonna say, that's always been my dreams.

Yeah, I wish, oh my God, I wish, if I ever did a push-up in my life. I do, yeah. I mean, why not? You know, it's not like they can see you, but I don't have to see them. So, what do I care? I mean, I would do it if I had the... If I had the gifts, I would do it. But...

Okay, what are the gifts? Because anyone can do an OnlyFans. You have to be master abatable too. Uh... Everyone can be... Everyone has people that are interested in them. There's someone and something for everyone. Well, not enough people to run an empire.

You know what I mean? Oh, you want an empire. You need more than one. But yeah, one time I was at a gas station in Hollywood, and there was some creepy guy on his balcony. I kind of looked up there, and he was jerking, like he was jerking, I'm sorry, this is so gross, but he was jerking off, you know, Hollywood's a crazy place. And I was like, huh, you know, I was just filling up my gas,

like, huh, and then he saw me, and he was jerking off at some lady pumping her gas, he was mortified, of course, and then he saw me just looking at him, and then he covered up, and that's when I was like, you know what, I'm never gonna be able to have an OnlyFans. I can't even get the meth head in Hollywood to jerk off to me. And he's already got his dick out. Wow.

That was a rough day. Uh, so where do you stand on... So you said you really like Angela too? Um, at first, I was like, okay. Because I'm not, you know, some, you know, some fans, they see someone, they say something really clever. Icon mother, yes! I died for her! I literally died for her. New icon housewife.

No, and I feel like that's what they're doing with Angela. I like Angela though so far. I feel like Angela would have fit in with the Ninis and, you know, the Phaedras back when. So I like the energy that she's bringing so far. But I do kind of see her being a producer's pet. I do see her being sort of like trying to stir the pot. But at this particular point, they need someone to stir the pot.

Yeah, she'll definitely do the work if they ask her. But she's got enough of her own messy life that I really love to watch. You know, I think it's all so crazy. Like trying to figure out... I mean, Charles, I think it's the classic husband that hates you on these shows. That... You know what I mean? They've all... Every show has one that the husband's like,

"'Eugh, why am I here? Why are the cameras here?" He's like the grumpy husband. Usually, but do you see that with them? At first, I will say, at first, because I know everyone was like, "'Oh, I don't like the way he speaks to her or treats her, he hates her.'" At first, I was like, "'Mm, no, I don't see that.'"

Especially when you're in the black community, there are plenty of people, men and husbands like Charles. However, I felt like last week's episode, when they asked him whether he loved her or not, I felt like, no, that's, okay, this is cute. The little bitter and bickering between you, that's cute. But clearly, she wanted him in this particular moment to show up and at least say, like, of course I love her.

You know what I mean? Because we see that with Bronwyn and the Todd father. And I felt like he's grumpy and old too over there. I didn't mind that. I was like, it works for them. But there comes a time when you need that person to show up. It's like, of course I love my person. And I'm like, it works for them. But there comes a time when you need that person to show up. It's like, of course I love my person. And then you'll like... Yeah, and everyone, when I said that last week,

mind you, they must have missed all the other times. I was like, well, I get where he's coming from. He's just a grumpy old man. He loves her. But last week, I was like, no, these are the moments where you need to step up and say, of course I love her. Of course. Like, she shouldn't be begging. She's always uplifting him.

Even in this week's episode, she's always highlighting his career. She's always uplifting him. Even in this week's episode, she's always highlighting his career. She's like, that is Charles Oakley. Take a drink every time she says that is NBA NBA legend Charles Oakley. She's always hyping him up. And we just never see that from him. Even while she's $2 million in debt, though, too. If that's coming from the marital funds, you know, he's like, God damn it. But no, I see what you're saying. And I actually agree with you. And then this week, I actually was back team Charles because I thought it was romantic that he went to that

stupid country club event. And the only reason he went to that was because you know, she had a moment after the last one where she's like, Okay, like, I get that you're kidding, but it really hurts my fee fees when you're not, you know she had a moment after the last one where she's like, okay, like, I get that you're kidding, but it really hurts my fee-fees when you're not, you know, like enough, like these people are gonna think that you hate me, you know? So he's like, okay, what do you want me to do? Come to this event, show me your love.

And then he ends up across from Britt at this event. So she's never gonna get that again. But... And people have said, you know, at least of all the husbands that are currently on this show, he's actually showing up. He's actually being a partner and standing by her. That's all well and good, but I do need him when it really counts. You're a confessional, they ask if you love her.

You can make a joke. I'm okay with you making a joke. However, at least round it out and say, like, -"Of course I love her." Something. I need something else. Yeah, even with her torn paper blinds that she has in the remodels. Because I was like, Angela, no. Angela, no. Okay, so we open this episode. Wait, who did we miss there? Kelly out of the newbies. Oh, yeah.

I like Kelly for the show, but in real life, I would not want to be around Kelly. Kelly's like a little too much. I'm glad to hear you say that. Because for me, she's a little too much. She's very like, hi! Like everywhere she goes, it's this like... Hi! Like this one, she comes in dancing. And they're like, hey, bestie, hey, bestie. And her and Shamir are kind of dancing around.

And actually with Shamir too, I mean, not the loud part, but just the over... kind of overcompensating. I'm not really sure what it is. But in the past couple episodes, I've been a little like, all right, all right, Shamir. Reel it in. Reel it in, Shamir. I've been saying that about Shamir since episode one. I just feel like she's pretending to know

what a housewife is supposed to be. And I think that's part of the reason why people have called her Portia's pet, a lap dog and things like that, because I don't think she knows how to be the star. I think she's pretending. And I definitely think that she has the potential to be a great personality. It would be interesting to see maybe next season

if her and Portia aren't, you know, friends, if we will be able to see maybe next season if her and Portia aren't, you know, friends, if we will be able to see that. Yeah, I think sometimes people are okay being... I think they're better in certain roles. Like, I think it's okay for her to be in a supporting role. I don't mean she always has to be a friend of, because this Shemia, I don't even remember from the other seasons. I mean, I remember Shemia being on.

Of course, I've watched every episode, but I don't remember her being anything like this. So, I was like, where'd this... where'd this version come from? Yeah. I think she... I think production were in all of their ears. There were some, even especially in this week's episode, I felt like production was in their ear in regards to like, okay, this is where we need to go.

That's why we're getting Phaedra at the end of the season. We're on episode 12, and we're getting Phaedra at this very last hour, full-time housewife. And I have to say, that scene with Portia and Phaedra felt so produced. And I was just like, okay, let's see how the rest of the season goes when it comes to Phaedra and what she will potentially add.

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on Wondery Plus. Get started with your free trial at Wondery.com slash plus. I have to say, I'm gonna diverge a little bit there because I was, I was like, oh my God, the show came alive. And I don't know if it's because I'm just used to look, Phaedra and Portia, what they did was so bad. And I feel like every recap for the rest of my goddamn life, even if it's Beverly Hills, I've got to be like, guys, I know what Phaedra did was bad. Okay, let's move over to this scene with Kyle and Phae. But I know that that was wrong. There's no excusing that.

I wouldn't even try. But I still like... I still think she's funny. And I feel like she came back this time, and she's ready to fuck shit up too. She didn't come back this time pretending to be nice. Well, she knew she had to. She knew she had to.

Yeah, she's like, I'm gonna take them all down. Well, she knew she had to. She knew she had to. Yeah, she's like, I'm going to take them all down. And especially after the Married to Medicine stint, she didn't seem very happy with that one. And I'm not going to really blame her. Her stint there wasn't... It didn't really bring much of anything. That's why I'm sort of on the fence of her coming here. I thought she was brilliant on Traders.

But on Traders, you don't have to share your life. You don't have to have some sort of storyline. You can just be funny, witty, and play a game. But I felt like on Married to Medicine, it was sort of performative. And look, she's been performing for us since she showed up how many seasons ago on Real Housewives of Atlanta. So I feel like even in this one, we're going to get this fake phony relationship

that she had on Married to Medicine with Jake. Like, come on, at least make her a friend of. Don't make her full-time where there is that pressure to actually have some sort of storyline, because that's what it's going to feel like. She's pretending this entire time. And we found out this, what, last week, that Portia is pretending.

If we want to get the real Portia, Bravo has to pay her more. What do you think that meant when Shamiah said... Because you're referring to Shamiah saying, you told me, when we were together last, I said, I wish we could be like this every time we're together. And you said, Bravo doesn't pay me enough for that. What do you think that meant?

I think it just confirmed for us, for some of us, that I've already believed that Portia is not that honest. We have quite a few liars this season on Real Housewives of Atlanta. Yeah, I mean... Well, and Portia too, this whole time, like, I just can't believe, you know, you think you're gonna spend your life with someone.

I was like, Portia, you were with that man for seven minutes. I could bake a potato in the microwave in the amount of time you were with that man. Yeah. Well, I think that's eight minutes. Damn it, I'm getting my potato micro-to-microid. Get it right, Ronnie. Get it right. I really fucked that one up.

Sorry, any potatoes I want. Now it's all messed up. I'm like, Ronnie told me it was seven minutes and it's actually longer. The thing is a little hard. It's fucking up people's potato lives. Love a good potato. But I didn't know what that meant. I was like, was she being mean about somebody off camera?

Were you guys just like, laughing? Like, were you stoned? Like... You know what I mean? I think the fact that Shamia is the one, her closest ally, her friend, her real friend outside of the show, said that on camera, told us exactly who Portia is. And the real Portia, we have not seen.

Maybe her first season, but we have not seen the real Portia. But I felt that way. I think I've just met so many housewives that I'm just like, they're all like that. I don't think I've met one that is not just like they are on TV. Because even if you're talking to them on the phone or something, they're still like that.

They're still obsessing over what this lady said about them. It could be 10 years ago. And they're still like, that's their thing, you know? So I just can't imagine that Portia is like, what is she like sitting down and reading like a really long book? I mean, I just don't see what... You know what I mean? Like, what would be so different about Portia that would be so fake?

I just don't... I don't know, I couldn't figure that out. I mean, maybe they're... Again, this is her best friend saying that on camera, which says to me, what really is the... But that was her best friend who was ready to rip shit up and not be best friends in that scene too. Don't you feel like Shemeah was kind of coming at that as like, okay, here's our housewives break up?

Well, when you look at the amount of years... When you look at the amount of years that Shemeah has rode for Portia and really has been her support, I wouldn't blame her that in this 20th year, she's finally woken up and said, -"Oh, you're not really my friend." -"Enough." Enough. I've had Jennifer Lopez movie enough.

I've had enough. Okay, so sorry, we're going back to the first scene here. So we get the Shemeah and Kelly dancing around like, -♪ Hey best friend, hey, best friend." -"Working." And, yeah, I don't buy it. But Shemeah was saying, yeah, you know, I just coined myself on saying, hey, best friend, because, you know,

you never know where you're gonna meet a best friend. And Kelly's really opened up to me. You know, she's gonna show all those layers she's always gonna have her titties at. And then sure enough, Kelly is like, bouncing her boobs up and down. Um, and then there was a lot of yelling and jumping around. Um...

And planning a trip, they're going to Grenada. Not the Maldives. Yes. Or Brazil. Or Brazil. Or Disneyland. I thought that went on a little too long. I was like, let me just get to it.

Just let her know we're going to Grenada. Why are we going down the list of countries right now? Yeah, when she said we're going to the Caribbean and then made her guess and Portia Mia was like, I'm too rich to guess. I mean, she should have just said that. I'm too rich to guess, okay? Other people point on maps, okay? I don't need a map.

But she tried to guess. I didn't know any of those places either. I didn't know where any of them were. Did you? I'm really stupid. (*LAUGHTER*) It's okay. It's not that you're stupid. You just have to start traveling to those places. I still don't think I would know.

I went to Italy last year. I wouldn't be able to pick it out on a map. (*LAUGHTER*) I wouldn't know. I'm not proud of it. I'm just saying, you know, I felt for her in that moment. But then when they find out where they're gonna go, Shimi is like, Oh my God, they were just affected by a hurricane. We should be providing some aid and relief while she's wearing her. They called the relief, the aid and relief guy with her like DJ or DG hat or something. I forget what it was. I was like, yes. Gucci. Yes. I love passing out. They called the aid and relief guy with her like DJ hat or DJ hat or something.

I forget what hat it was. But I was like, yes. Yes, I love passing out aid and relief in my balance of yoga. So that sounds fun. And so they're gonna do a group trip. So the noobs are doing the group trip. Are you excited? No.

But I'm hopeful because usually this is what will save a season. And based on what Cynthia Bailey has said in recent interviews, this trip has a lot of dynamic shifts when it comes to friendships. People that weren't friends before are friends. People that were friends are not friends. So, and also, I wonder if this is where we see the breakdown of Portia and Shemeah's friendship again. Again, and also Kelly and Britt, right?

Because they break up at some point this season. Yeah, but we don't care about that. We're not that invested in that friendship. I want to know what turns Kelly to that point because Kelly has been writing pretty hard for that one too. And that can't be the easiest to fight for. I already believe it's Britt's fault because the way that Kelly has been so supportive of Britt, more than anyone, and for that to be the one

that you've fallen out with, it's like, hmm, I bet it was your fault. Yeah, Britt hasn't showed a lot of loyalty so far to whoever is her friend. She'll turn on you for a scene, and they're not even that good. No. Which is the shame. So then we go, uh, Porsche house hunting with Miss Diane

and Lauren and some other girl. I don't know who it was. I didn't write it. Oh, the real estate agent. Oh, no, that was a guy. Wasn't that a guy? Or was it a co-list? It was the listing agent, and then it was Porsche's real estate agent. Oh, I see, I see. So I had to keep rewinding, I was like, who's what?

How much is this place? And I love property, so I really. I see. Because I wrote down the rules. How much is this place? I love property, so I really love this scene. This was a good property. Yeah. This was a good one, right? I feel like a lot of the houses we see on Housewives are over the top, like, mansion-y, and this one was good. I thought this one was good.

Yeah. 4.2 million. And there's also a wig room. 4.2. God damn, in Atlanta. That's a lot of money. So they go check out this house and, um, of course, the doofy real estate guy's like, oh, wig room, I could use one of them wigs. He's like, please leave, sir.

He just wants you to buy it. Yeah. Your scene is done here, sir. Uh, so they start talking about her relationship to buy it. You're seeing this done here, sir. So they start talking about her relationship with Simon and how she really thought this was a forever one, guys. What do you feel when you first saw the Simon and Portia relationship? To this day, I don't believe it.

I've said countless times, even if they were having sex in front of me, I said, I don't believe it. You would do anything for a storyline. I don't believe it. I've said countless times, even if they were having sex in front of me, I said, like, I don't believe it. You would do anything for a storyline. I don't believe it. To this day, I was saying, how are you attracted to Simon, Portia? But maybe she was attracted to the lifestyle. Everyone gets married for different reasons. And I think she really wanted a lifestyle. Like she's even almost this season convincing me that she is interested in Simon sexually. But, oh, God, even... I'm gonna go up a little bit. I don't know. But my tolerance has been lowered

because I've been watching Love Hotel. Oh. Oh, God. I can imagine a lot grosser things. Have you been watching that one? Here and there. I haven't seen the last two episodes. Ashley's picker is something else. She just got this hot, young guy, and she's like, but I really want that old white guy.

I was like, that man is five steps away from pooping his pants. That guy has five months left. Mind you, literally, she's with Josh Harlow now filming. So, I feel like, I think that's my problem with Love Hotel. I feel like all of them are there, except Shannon, are there just for the check and for the moment to be on television. I don't think any of them are interested in these guys like that. Maybe Luann. Luann, well, not interested in them.

Luann just wants to screw them all. Yeah. Luann will fuck them all. Yeah, I'm fine with that. She's actually very interesting on it. Luann just thinks like, so, why haven't you made out with me yet? What's your problem? They brought you back, you got kicked off because you never made out with me. What about that? And he's like, really?

She goes, all right, so I'm here right now. What are you going to do? He's like, really? She goes, oh, God, I'm going to the bathroom. This guy won't even make out with me. And just leaves the guy. Luan knows, Luan stands on business. She's the best part of that show. And I have to say, I enjoy Gisele's commentary,

but Gisele's not really there to find love. Gisele's not on this earth to find love. Some of us just weren't put here for that. Gisele was here. Gisele was put on this earth to judge your love. I'm a Virgo, so I'm speaking as a... She went on her Virgo. Yes, I've never understood Gisele better than this season. Mmm. You burgos.

Or myself. I didn't get burgo from you. Really? No. The hotel's giving me so much. Really? Yeah, it really is. I'm like, wow, Gisele just read me. It's a nice easy watch. I will say that.

I don't hate it, but it's a nice easy watch. I do think that casting Ashley with these group of women feels a little awkward. I know she likes casting Ashley with these group of women felt, it feels a little awkward. I know she likes an older man, but it feels like, eh, Ashley shouldn't be on this cast. It could have used someone else. Yeah, Ashley, Ashley's been, I think Ashley's pretty cute on the show for sure, but she's, I mean, she's Ashley.

You know, she's just gonna make wrong decisions. And then she keeps saying things like, well, you know, I like a daddy. And then they'll put a side by side of old man Ralph next to Gollum Michael. And it's like, oh, no. Gosh. No, Ashley, no, don't do it.

Doesn't Beavis have a job? The guy she's dating now? Yeah. Okay, so they go look at the house, and Portia goes on about her and Simon, and she just can't believe it. But she's more set up this time than she was with Cordell. And then we see her relationship with Cordell,

at least from her end, where she's like... I can't believe Cordell really let me come on this trip. I'm so proud of him. I'm so proud of him for letting me come. What ever happened with Cordell? He's still around? Around town? Did he remarry or... I don't think so. I don't know. I need an update remarry or? I don't think so. I don't know.

I need an update on Cordell. I don't think he's remarried. What's his last name? Stewart, Cordell Stewart. I interviewed Portia years ago when she was still Portia Stewart and likable. You don't like Portia now? No, I like Portia.

She blocked me so we're briefing right now. She blocked you? She blocked me and unblocked me. What do you say? You're so sweet. I don't know. I don't know what I said. She doesn't like to be held accountable. Oh, yeah. Well, they don't listen to this, so that's good. Must've been what they don't say.

We're too long for people to listen to you, so we don't get blocked as much as we should, for sure. Cordell, co-host of the Daily Program, No Huddle, on TuneIn with Brian Webber. Okay, I'm gonna put Cordell co-hosts the Daily Program No Huddle on TuneIn with Brian Weber. Okay, I'm gonna put Cordell Stewart wife. Let's see. Portia Williams, last wife. Wow.

So, Portia ruined that man for other women. She was just too good. And then... And then... She cooked too well, because she's like, I told them I would cook for him, and the flashbacks. I'm actually surprised he didn't get remarried. You're right. It's been so long.

Yeah. And I think Portia will get married again after she divorces Simon. Yeah. So she says she's taking care of herself now, which I think means she's got some money coming to her through this guy, because they're like, well, you know, Portia, even though you might not need this house, it's still good to look.

And she's like, yeah, but I got myself set up better. How much could you have set yourself up with if you're only with somebody for a couple of years? People have it so easy. Well, she did, you know what? I will agree with her in this episode. She was smarter this time around because based off, and this is why Simon's trying to fight the prenup,

based off her prenup, she's trying to fight the prenup based off her prenup. She's got some cash coming to her and half of the equity of this $7 million home. So she did do the right thing in regards to setting herself up when it comes to Simon, but he's fighting it. Now he's detained by ICE. Yeah, now it's detained. And then wasn't that house in foreclosure or something? She mentioned that the house was in foreclosure.

So how much equity is in there? That's the part I was wondering. I was like, okay, so how much money are you gonna actually get? But at least she won't be... Because remember, she never sold her other house, the house that she moved in after Cordell. Oh, she didn't sell that place? She gave it to her mom. That's where they've been selling it.

Miss Diane. Yeah, so she could always go back there. God, no wonder Miss Diane's always so happy. Mm-hmm. God damn. Miss Diane's always so happy. Mm-hmm. God damn. Always happy with a pepperoni pizza. Oh, my God. He's like, that woman ate a pepperoni pizza in my bed.

Was it in his bed or her ear's couch? Somewhere, something that was white and he was just like, you're gonna get grease on my... Or Miss Diane. Pepperoni pizza that broke him up. I need to know what happened between Miss Diane and Shemeah's mother, Mama Warren. I read some stuff on Reddit.

You want me to tell you some... Yeah, there's some rumors about... ...unfounded gossip? Yeah, like daycare drama. But everyone in my community says, no, they think it's a man. I was like, y'all just want the mess. It might be just about business.

It's not about a man. Everybody wants it to be a man, you know? I find that's, like, every argument is like, she's jealous of a man. Everybody wants it to be a man, you know? I find that's like every argument, it's like, she's jealous of his man. You know what? I would be more jealous of the money. So apparently they... Well, you've heard this, but for whoever hasn't heard this, by the way, this is not news. I just read it on Reddit.

So who knows if it's true. But apparently they both were daycare owners, and they were both friends with each other. And then Miss Diane had a problem with one of her daycares where she couldn't pay for it or something. Financial trouble. Yeah, and so she said, well, they're probably gonna foreclose.

I just hope that whoever gets this won't turn this into a daycare because it's gonna compete with my other daycares. And then sure enough, they foreclosed and she bought it. She went, Shemeah's mom went and bought it and turned it into a daycare. Chum, chon-chon. I hope that we get the truth in regards.

I hope Andy and when they go to the reunion, because Shamiah, when they brought it up, Shamiah refused to talk about it. But if that's true, let's say it is true, whose side are you on based off of that? If that is the fact, that's what Shamiah's mom did. Well, I mean, it's legal to go by the... It's, you know...

That's your best friend. Well, yeah, it's legal, but yeah, you shouldn't do that to your best friend. Didn't Shemia by Kim Zolciak's... foreclosed on house? I mean, I know they're not friends. I would assume they're not friends. But wasn't that the rumor that Shemia's husband bought Kim Zolciak's house? This current house?

The one that she got foreclosed on. Oh, I don't know. By Kim Zolciak. I mean, if you're trying to buy property, they're not close. So if you're buying property and you're getting a good deal, I mean, it's actually good smart sense because they got a steal if he bought it.

Oh, okay, well, no, it's not confirmed whether Shamiah actually bought Kim Zolciak's house. While there was a rumor circulating on Instagram that her husband, Gerald, bought Kim's auction house for 2.7, an Instagram post suggests this is not confirmed. Nothing tonight is confirmed. Nothing. This is a non-news show. This is a show if you just don't give a crap about the truth.

Just come. We'll help. Rumors, mess. Yes just don't give a crap about the truth, just come. We'll help. Rumors, mess. Yes, rumors and mess. We're going to believe it's true. She bought the house and she kicked them out. Wouldn't that be amazing though? I would love it. Now that I could get behind. But a daycare? But that's a hard job anyway. Get rid of all

those rats. Like buy a nail salon or something. Oh, oh my gosh. Oh Lord. I have a story about, it's so funny that you brought up nail salon or something. Oh, oh my gosh. Oh, Lord. I have a story about... It's so funny that you brought up nail salon and rats because literally a nail salon that I go to here in New York City for years, I won't be going anymore because literally my last experience of getting a manicure pedicure, luckily I was almost completely done. And I hear my guy, because he's giving me a little massage at the end, and he makes a funny sound. I was like, did he hurt himself on my back?

What's going on right now? Wow, those push-ups have really been working. Yeah, I was like, what's going on? And then I open my eyes, and there's a big old rat running around the snail salon. Aw. Well, you just need to watch rat tattooing. Suddenly, they're very cute. No, this is the first time I've been talking about this story.

I mean, as soon as you said nail salon and rat, I said, trauma. -♪ C'mon, shoes, here comes one right now. -♪ At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather, it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.

So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names, about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.

Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple podcasts. But you got the massage finished, didn't you? Of course. That's a New Yorker right there. You're like, this is disgusting and you will finish my massage. We were like too early.

Those rats are getting bigger in the city. I swear ever since I moved away from there, every time I go back and see a rat, they're like little dogs now. Yeah, no, they're big. That's like, they're big enough for's like a big two. They're big enough for, um, Kelly to be dazzled. Okay, so let's go. Speaking of, Kelly is getting her little rat dog. It's not a rat dog. That's not nice to say.

She has a cute dog. It's true though. No, it's not. Well, it could be, you know, it's like nature versus nurture. She's done this to that dog. The dog was cute before, because you saw the old picture. The dog was cute before. She made that dog look mangy. BOWEN LAUGHS

That dog does look kind of mangy. It looks like it's got clips. It should be abusive because, like, what if it gets too close to an electrical outlet or something? You know, like dogs rub their butts on the... everything. ...you know, the wall or whatever. Like, what if it's scratching its butt

and it gets electrocuted on one of those little bedazzled things on it? You can't do that to a dog. Or the eyelashes gets in its eye. Yeah, and the hairdresser for the dog, the dog's hairdresser, well, the facial massage therapist for the dog. Girl, don't you... Go pay your rent. Go pay your waffle rent. Do you know she's thrown like five events already this season?

Like five events. Yeah, she's... That's one thing I have to appreciate about it. Like, she's very festive, she's very lively. I think she has potential. But I do think there's something a little funny when it comes to like, okay, like, where's this money coming from? And I can't believe she's doing waffles.

Yeah, she's not paying the waffle rent. Well, she was saying earlier that she had to pay her lawyers $100. Well, was it her lawyer? Who's Bobby? Is that her lawyer? Or is... What's her ex's name? Yeah, her husband's name's Mark. Oh, okay. Because she said I had to pay Bobby $150 grand. And I was like, who has to pay their... Okay, so it was her lawyer. But yeah, she does throw a lot of events, but she also does a lot to that dog. So I'm not really sure how I feel.

She said it was all like vegan and cruelty-free, but I'm not like a big... It looks ugly though. Oh, damn, I feel bad. It's just a poor dog. Yeah, a poor dog. And also it has to stand on that mat all the time. Like it can't go into the grass. And my thing is, she said the reason was because they try to steal the dog.

Then chip the dog. Yeah, chip the dog. Don't make it so ugly that no one will steal it. (*JEREMY LAUGHS*) What are you doing? Okay. It don't make it so ugly that no one will steal it. What are you doing? Okay. It doesn't make any sense. Uh, so then we go, oh, and so yeah, the face technician messed up the dog's eyelashes.

He's like, well, one of them's missing. They're repositioned, he said. So, fired. So then we go on... He probably did that for free. So... Oh, you think he threw in the dog face massage? I think the dog was just there. I don't think that was a part of the services.

Do they provide services like that at the same place you get your massage? I don't know. I'm in LA and weren't they, maybe it was like a traveling service or something. There were like three people. There's a lot of people to service you anyway. Yeah. Okay. Sorry. I have a shoulder. We're talking about massage. You guys are talking about the be down. Looking at the mangy dog. You're going to itch anyway. Yeah. Hmm. OK. Sorry, I have a shoulder. We're talking about massages. We're talking about the bedazzles.

Looking at the mangy dog. You're going to itch. I understand. All right. All right, so now we go to Shamia going onto the radio. Shamia comes twerking into the radio. Always. And she's like, yeah, so oh my god, guys,

to be here now as an artist is amazing. And Big Tigger is like, yeah, so, oh my God, guys, to be here now as an artist is amazing. And Big Tigger is like, yeah, well, another housewife came in here with her single. And then Shamia spends the rest of what we see of this interview dissing on Drew. What did you think? A couple of things. First of all, there was drama between Big Tiga and Shamia

at one particular point. At least that's what the streets were saying, because Shamia used to be on that same radio station. They were supposed to have this whole radio show. And there was drama when they decided to get rid of Shamia, and I believe it was Miss Pat at the time. I could be making this up, but I'm pretty sure. Shamia Morton and Miss Pat, aka Shamia, were both hosts on G103. So I'm not making this up.

So I thought it was interesting to see that dynamic between Big Tiga and Shamia, because the word on the street is that he was the one that got them fired. But anyway... Oh, it says they were part of the morning show for two years before being replaced by Jazzy McBee. Ms. Pat and Shamemeah were reportedly fired, which they claim was unexpected and due to jealousy

and male ego. See? Look at you. This is real journalism right here. This is some Barbara Walters shit. Yes, yes. Big Tigger, RIP. Big Tigger seemingly responded by highlighting improved ratings since Jazzy McBee joined the show.

Oh, wow. So, Shemeah went in there and had to deal with Jazzy McBee joined the show. Oh, wow. So, Shamia went in there and had to deal with Jazzy McBee. Yep. And him at the same time. Your replacement. Hmm. Well, so she went in and, um, she started going off on Drew and saying, you know, I've never heard that song on this station.

I've never heard somebody like me on this station. And then she sings a parody of the song, -♪ You've never had somebody like me on this station. And then she sings a parody of the song, -♪ You've never had boobs like me. -♪-WILLEM LAUGHS I don't get it. Look, I get it because there's that scene that they keep showing the last couple of episodes where Kelly and Drew and Angela are talking about Shemia being a lap dog. But this is not the first time this season that Shemia has made some digs about Drew singing.

And I'm just like, if Drew was like a Luan, Countess Luan, then I'd be like, okay, I get it. But Drew can sing. Yeah, Drew's pretty good. Drew's decent. Her album did well. Yeah, it's a good project. I just don't get the constant digs from Shemia. It's giving press, it's giving jealous. I'm like, why? I think Shemia is also really talented and sounds good, but... Well, her best song so far has been... The itsy bitsy spider...

-♪ When the floor... I'm a spider... -♪ She's in a country parody for the Nashville trip. Yeah. Has her music come out? Well, she has a single out, never had. You know, she sings it every time she can on the show. Okay. So it came out. How did it do? I don't know. I mean, a lot of times, these Housewives singles don't necessarily do tremendously well.

Um... Well, that's why I was kind of curious. Not curious, but I was kind of surprised that she was going so hard for Drew on a radio show because, like, I get that that's... If you're a real Housewife, right? So you're supposed to go on there and be shady or whatever. Everybody does that. So, that was nothing crazy. But the fact that you're there to talk about your art

and to start with, I'm an artist, and then go into housewives so fast, I thought wasn't a good move. No. No. It feels desperate. It feels desperate. I mean, do whatever I can do to promote this music. But she's always wanted to be an artist, and she's very talented.

But what I've discovered over this last season is that I understand now exactly why Shemeah never made it as a solo artist or in that group. And she just doesn't in... I think because she's sort of played the side position for so long, she doesn't give star. Even though when she first came on episode one, everyone was like, oh, she's sort of played the side position for so long, she doesn't give star. Even though when she first came on episode one, everyone was like, oh, she's the girl, we should have,

she should have, and now everyone's shifted. I feel like right now you're Simon Cowell on the season when Melinda Doolittle was on. Oh! Is that her name? Was on American Idol. And she was like a famous backup singer, and he's like, I'm sorry, but back to the tambourine. He'd be like, you're not holding a tambourine right now,

Ms. Doolittle. This is a spotlight on you. You're really taking it. Only people of a particular age remember Melinda Doolittle, that season of American Idol. You're really taking this back. And I'm like, oh, yeah, I remember Melinda. Where is Melinda?

I think it was Melinda D. Little. No, you're right. I think that's the name. That is definitely the name. As soon as you say it, it's like... I always felt so bad for her, because she would come out and sing her ass off and just be amazing, and they'd be like, -"Nope. Back to the chorus, loser." -"And she was such a cute person." Ooh!

Simon, because that was back when American Idol was mean. Now they're really nice on American Idol. They're like, oh, my God. Let's talk about your trauma.'re really nice on American Idol. They're like, oh my God, let's talk about your trauma. And then they have five minutes. They're like, well, I was run over by a dog on a train. And then I discovered my passion for singing when I was in a box in front of a Ralphs. I'm like, oh, for Christ's sake, sing your song.

for Christ's sake, sing your song. Okay. Ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha. This is back when they were still evil. Actually, they just had their first black male winner. I was like, really? That's crazy, is that true? Well, no.

Didn't Ruben win? Ruben stuttered one. Wait a second, Clay Aiken won. Oh wait, no, did Ruben? No one knows that season. Wasn't it Ruben that won? Ruben stuttered. So where were Ruben's American Idol Ruben Studdard wins American Idol.

No facts here, y'all. No facts. I told you, don't ever come here for facts. He did win. Clay Aiken came in second. Someone said that he was the first male performer to win. Black male performer to win. Maybe this new era of American Idol? That's what they were referring to. Immediately, I thought to myself, wait, but no, Ruben Studdard won.

Yeah, Ruben Studdard was the first. Jamal Roberts becomes the second black man to an American Idol, MSN. So, yeah, maybe it's like the Katy Perry era. The Katy Perry era of am I'd, as no one calls it. Okay, so, Shemeah does her radio thing, and she's like, I sing about authentic things that happen in my life. Ear infections. This is about my...

trip to the doctor about my ear. She's talking about, um, how Drew's fake, and I guess she has a lyric, when someone says I got, uh, five languages I can speak, you don't speak five languages. I'm authentic. I remember when she said that in... I guess when she did the interview, it was all around town, so it was sort of promoting the new season

before the new season even happened. Like, oh, what happened between Drew and Shemia? But I felt like, again, I get it. At this particular point, she's mad about being called a lap dog, but don't come for Drew's music, because it'd be understandable if Drew's music and her voice were bad. Then it would land. It's just giving desperate. It's definitely giving lapdog.

Yeah, and I agree with you, and I think that what bugs me about it, because here's what's bugging me about Shemeah in general, is Shemeah doesn't bug me. Like, I like Shemeah. So I'm rooting for Shemeah. So when she came on, I was like, yeah, Shemeah, and she was so funny. And she has this huge house and she's rich as hell. And so when she stoops low, I just in that, and like when she's talking about music and stoops low and doesn't concentrate on our music, it's not defending Drew. I'm just like, you need to be better this for your, you need to be better than this for

yourself. You know what I mean? It's not that I care about Drew's lying ass. Because I really like Drew on the show, but everyone's obviously right about what they're saying about Drew. Do you think? Okay, here's the thing. She definitely lies a lot, but we have a lot of liars this season again, on this show. A lot of liars. Um, but a lot of people compare what Drew lies about versus what Mia Thornton might lie about

to be two different things. And I agree. She lies about the simplest, funniest things. But I have to say, outside of her marriage storyline, I've actually enjoyed Drew this season. I mean, I like, I think part of Drew's charm is that she's a liar and she's completely delusional. I think that's what's funny about her in a way.

Whereas Mia just... Mia just went crazy with that. And she's still trying so hard to get on Atlanta too, which is so embarrassing. I'm so embarrassed for her. Because they're not gonna do it, right? I don't think so. And I think... they, that... Mia, I think she just came out,

maybe apparently they're talking about her during the filming of Ralph's Wise Potomac. And she had to put out that statement. I was like, okay, man, no one cares. Go somewhere and stay there, quiet for a hot second. She can't do it. And she's like, hashtagging things R-H-O-A. She's like, oh, maybe.

Maybe I'll see you in Atlanta. Like, no, you're not gonna see them in Atlanta. Stop acting like that. And please make your Instagram post shorter. She's like Bronwyn from Salt Lake City. I don't have 10 minutes to read your tiny print on your picture, ma'am. And the funny thing is, is that luckily for Mia, the network will never come out and say,

we did not renew her contract. She was fired. They will never come out and say that. So these housewives can go on social media and pretend like they could potentially be on another show within the network when clearly the network's like, yeah, we're not working with Mia. We'll never again. Yeah, no, no.

Oh, Mia. She had, she burned so brightly, so fast. Yeah. She's a candle in the wind. That's a perfect way of describing Mia. Because there was a point where Mia was actually interesting and fun, and she was a great addition, and then it just went left really quickly. Yeah, that whole ink and her husband's story was...

Yeah, and using your kids like that. Ugh, yeah. No. Congratulations, you've reached the end of part one of a two-part recap. For part two, go look for the recap that says, PART TWO! Mmm! See you over there, suckas.

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