Watch What Crappens - #2881 Summer House S09E17: Front Paige News

Episode Date: June 5, 2025

FORMER Summer House cast member Paige Desorbo talks more about the split with her ex in what turns out to be her final episode of the series. Meanwhile, Lindsay gives deets on the Tanner situ...ation, and Kyle wants a baby.  You can watch this recap on video, listen to our Love Island bonus episodes, and participate in live episode threads at patreon.com/watchwhatcrappens.  Tickets for our final two tour dates in Seattle Jun 11 and LA Jun 19 on sale at watchwhatcrappens.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:03:12 during the episode, especially towards the end about who certain people look like. So I really recommend I really recommend you all listen to that at BigTrump.com slash Walter Krapitz. Okay. I'm sorry whatever I've done to that guy's sex life after that because. What's a rough one? Anyway, it is time to move on with our recap of Summer House and. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, news, news time.
Starting point is 00:03:42 Breaking news, breaking news. Did it, did it, did it, did it, did it, did it, did it. Somebody say it's a good friend page news. Did it, did it, did it, news time. Breaking news, breaking news. Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do. Friend page news, do do do do do do do do. Oh my goodness, someone's coming up to the podium to say something, is this Paige Disorbo from Summer House? Someone's crying, someone's crying. That's my ex-boyfriend. Please be quiet over there, drunk person.
Starting point is 00:04:03 I have a little update for you. I've made this decision not to return to Summer House. It's been a very difficult choice between staying on a reality show with Kyle Cook, having to drink Leverboy every weekend of my summer, or going and being successful and hanging out with real celebrities and enjoying a real summer for once in my life. I've spent seven years trying to pretend it is easy to have a conversation with people like Carl.
Starting point is 00:04:31 And I'm rich enough now that I no longer have to pretend. You people bought that I shopped at Old Navy for a summer. You're all idiots. So I don't know why I'm wasting time with you. You are the people that deserve Carl. I'm out of here. My stupid. I always told myself,
Starting point is 00:04:45 I'll leave the show whenever they fix that damn door in the front. Well, they fixed it, so my time here is over. I've decided to leave this show to the elderly. Lindsay, enjoy this with your geriatric baby. I would like to just say, Lindsay, I'm so proud of you for actually giving birth to Matlock. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:05:09 I have left you a six pack of Ovaltine in the fridge. Every time you drink one, think of me. From now on, just know, when you miss me, I'll be at home in my bed with my cat. Which is her, this is her, the real way she ends it. She's like, I'll be in bed with Daphne, goodbye. I love that Paige ended her relationship with Craig, which I always thought was kind of a branding deal anyway.
Starting point is 00:05:35 And then I know we disagreed on that, but I always kind of looked at it like, she looked at them like kind of the first couple type thing, like I'm going to protect his personality. And now she got rid of Craig and now she's doing the same thing with Daphne. She's like, I have a new line of pajamas called Daphne. Thank you very much.
Starting point is 00:05:52 Out with one brand in with the new brand. This one can't talk back or get drunk. I would also like to say that Daphne did not get kicked out of Kyle and Amanda's wedding. Any rumors that you heard were absolutely untrue. Cut to four years later when Daphne betrays Paige. Daphne absolutely did get kicked out of that wedding. I was protecting her.
Starting point is 00:06:11 A thousand percent. A thousand percent. A thousand percent. It was embarrassing. My ex-cat was removed from the wedding and I will never say her name again for the rest of my life. This is the end of an era, Paige leaving summer house. I'm bummed. I don't,
Starting point is 00:06:34 you know, I wish I had more faith in casting, but they brought us Lexi. I am seriously very scared for the show. I think this is, cannot this is Bravo. You fail. What? To me, this is, she would not have left if they gave her the right money. I'm gonna tell you that right now. She is commanding probably a hefty price tag because she has blown up as she's always deserved to. And Bravo was probably not willing to pay that money,
Starting point is 00:06:57 but Bravo, you should. Because you also have Lindsay who basically admits, as we'll see, that she's not gonna be probably a regular on Summer House. She'll pop in, but she won't be a regular. You have Carl who does nothing. Kyle and Amanda who have the same old fights and talks about whatever. Jesse and West pretty good. Sierra is all right you know but like there's not going to be a lot to carry the show. I mean Paige did a lot of heavy lifting and I think this is a bad time for this to happen because the youth oriented shows you know you've got Vanderpump rules coming back in whatever
Starting point is 00:07:28 form it's gonna come back and then you know the audience isn't going to accept it. You just know that right off the bat the audience is going to reject no matter how good it is the audience is going to reject it. Now summer house without Paige, I think this is tough. It's a tough time for Bravo. Bravo's going through it. That's for sure. Bravo's having a rough time of it. But you know, we're fans. So we hope for the best. You know what? Put me here for the worst.
Starting point is 00:07:48 We'll still watch. We hope for the best, that's it. You know, when they got rid of the Workus twins, we're like, how will the show go on? And look where we are now. It's one of the most popular shows on Bravo. There was that moment, because you know what? Say what you want about the Workus twins.
Starting point is 00:07:59 They were entertaining crazy people. Carl, Carl, Carl, Carl, Carl, Carl, Carl, Carl, Carl, Carl, they were the show. Yeah, we didn't know how all that, the first cast leaving, you know, Stephen, the work is twins, the, you know, when Lindsay broke up with Wes's buns, yeah, Christina, we never, you know, shows can go on. It's not like it's destined to die, but it's destined to die if they go in the direction of casting
Starting point is 00:08:21 that they have been, which is like, let's get like really, like silly influencers who only care about influencing, you know, even though that's kind of what page is, but pages more than that. I get that everybody they get now is going to be an influencer in some way, but I don't know. They need someone like really snarky and funny to fill these shoes. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:42 Because I think so much of the appeal of Summer House really started to come down to the fact that stuff would happen in the house. And then basically, Paige would go gossip about it with a friend. And that friend at first was Hannah, then it became Sierra. But now it's like, Sierra, it's not going to be Sierra and Lexi. Maybe they could center Gabby a little bit more,
Starting point is 00:09:04 because Gabby kind of does have that vibe and she's always been kind of like put off to the side that like, you know, Gabby could rise that challenge. Well, the other rumor is that Gabby's out too. So the rumor is that they're firing. She did so much this season though. No, she did a lot of hand holding literally through this reunion, but they did,
Starting point is 00:09:22 the rumors are getting rid of Lexi, Gabby, Emeril and I mean, they didn't even let him do the whole reunion. That was the most that was called on cast member. Yeah, we talked about it last week when you were gone. Welcome home, by the way, to summer house. Thank you. Those of you who only listen to summer house. But we talked about it last week how they're like, Emeril, I'm so sorry, only the only thing anybody ever talked about was your sexuality. Was that hurtful for you? And he's like, Oh, yeah, I got, you know, blacklisted for my family parties about my kids, my niece's party, my nephew's party, because they just looked at me as like, whore, Emeril, that whore never
Starting point is 00:10:03 invited me again. They're like, Oh, my God, poor Emeril. Okay, Emeril, that whore, never invited me again. They're like, oh my God, poor Emeril. Okay, Emeril, so what about the threesome? And did you stick your penis in Jesse's butt hole? Okay, thanks Emeril, thanks for coming, see you later. They never asked me about anything else. Yeah, I mean, he said, like, I think a mistake was for me was just like opening up with that sex party and that just like really set a tone.
Starting point is 00:10:23 I'm like, it was your choice to go to a sex party instead of the first week of filming on a TV show that you're so lucky to be on. And we've had a few messages from people who were like, I know Emeril. And he's like actually really nice. And he's like raising a charity to build a school in Bangladesh. I'm like, that's fine. But then, yeah, but it's built out of sperm. Well then don't spend your first week on a platform going to a sex party and
Starting point is 00:10:44 said, sorry. Well no one, no one on this show on a platform going to a sex party instead. Sorry. Well, no one on this show has ever said Emeril seems mean. I mean, Emeril's a very nice guy. And actually, I think the biggest shock to us that he was a nice guy because he came in on the motorcycle. He did like the full, he got the full douchebag treatment and he, you know, presented himself that way.
Starting point is 00:11:04 And I was shocked that he wasn't a douchebag. He was actually a fairly nice guy, just boring. Like a school in Bangladesh, great. That's great. I'm not even gonna be sarcastic about it. That's cool that he does that, but that's still not a storyline on the summer house. You need to have some messiness.
Starting point is 00:11:21 So I don't know. No hate for him, but you know, it just didn't work. Yeah, he just didn't bond with the rest of the cast and he can say, oh, they made me look like I was just like a man whore when I only brought back a few girls and like nothing out of, you know, crazy. I guarantee if Emeril was making real relationships
Starting point is 00:11:42 with people, Bravo would have showcased that because you know, they know they can only have Carl and Kyle for so much longer. They can keep Kyle for awhile. Carl is like, like I don't, Carl is kind of like running on fumes at this point. I think they are always interested in fostering new talent on this show because it's really hard. They would have done that if they could have. I don't think Emeril gave them anything to work with, to be honest. So I'm going to put that one on Emeril and not the editors.
Starting point is 00:12:08 But I also want to say something since I wasn't here to comment on it last week. I just want to say, I know it's old news. I fucking hate the set. This was the worst reading set they've ever done. The stupid like oversized bed party. Sorry. I'm, I hated every aspect of it. The white, the white bed frame. Like you could do a I hated every aspect of it. The white,
Starting point is 00:12:25 the white bed frame. Like you could do a slumber party thing, but not like this. This was a terrible, I was mortified for everyone involved. I thought the idea was cute, but you're called your, first of all, having a party called snooze fest, not good. And we were saying last week, like they couldn't exactly call it bed bugs. Cause it's like too soon. Like New York really had to go through that. So that's too soon. But snoozefest and then to name, like to theme your reunion that's actually really boring snoozefest is not,
Starting point is 00:12:54 maybe not the best marketing snooze. Yeah. Yeah, and then the pastels, they just look so silly. All the group pictures look pretty silly. It's like Easter's done, you know? I'm sad that this is how Paige had to go out on the stupid set with like comforters. And it was, I was very unhappy with that.
Starting point is 00:13:15 She went out first seat in bed. She's fine, you know? And she, no one called her on anything because she didn't really do anything mean or shitty this year. And this was also one of Paige's best reunions, because I feel like Paige's biggest mistake, well, I don't know if I'd call it a mistake,
Starting point is 00:13:29 because it's probably the most entertaining she is, but it's also weird, is how she does this whiplash thing every year where she's one way during the season and has very few problems, and then she shows up at the reunion and just rips everybody to shreds. And it's like, who the hell, rips everybody to shreds and it's like
Starting point is 00:13:50 what the hell's happening and it's entertaining every time but it's also like where the fuck did that come from she always kind of overshoots the reunion and this time she didn't she just came in she was you know she had her own offline story line off-camera storyline for the most part offline and she did a good one so I think for her it was good. It just wasn't a great reunion in general. Yeah. Well, maybe, maybe she was unhappy with Craig all that time. It was just coming out at the reunion, projecting it. Oh, it's all Craig. Everything's Craig. Blame Craig for everything. Of course. Pterafs, Craig. 100%. I heard that Craig is the one who gave Trump the idea about the tariffs. So I will blame Craig.
Starting point is 00:14:29 That was me. I was in the mama's. No, but seriously, I think that she probably was, she did not overshoot. Like she was, because she was in bed. She wasn't in a, I think in the past, she was just in a chair and uncomfortable. She's like, why are we sitting in chairs
Starting point is 00:14:44 when these could all be beds? And now she's in a bed and think in the past she was just in a chair and uncomfortable. She's like, why are we sitting in chairs when these could all be beds? And now she's in a bed and she's like much more pleasant. Yeah. Um, but, uh, yeah, overall, I don't see Sierra really carrying this with anybody else. Um, but you never know. I mean, yeah, hopefully they'll figure it out, but it's going to be, um, they're really losing, God, I hope they don't bring back Danielle.
Starting point is 00:15:07 Please don't, please don't give us a Danielle Salvo. That's not what we need. They've had a hard time finding new women on the show for a while. Like they haven't had a good new female casting since, really since Paige and since Sierra was the last good female casting. And Sierra took a little while to warm up.
Starting point is 00:15:25 It took like three seasons for Sierra to become interesting. So yeah, I don't know. I think they did. I think maybe this was all the plan anyway. They knew the cast was going to age out and so they started prepping early. They got Jesse West in there and they've they're the elders now and they're just going to start building around them is what I think. Because Kyle and Amanda, I mean, you know, look, we like them and everything,
Starting point is 00:15:47 but there's just too much. They showed at the end of this, they were like, and coming up and they never before seen footage. And it's Kyle and Amanda like, Kyle, you're not ready to have a baby. Are we gonna have a baby? I don't know if we're gonna have a baby. I was like, no, no one needs this for another year.
Starting point is 00:16:04 So I think that the whole plan is to bring on the slightly younger, still douchey set. Which I'm fine with. I'm just saying like I get nervous because casting on Summer House is always so hit or miss because when it misses, it misses so hardcore. Like it's, they, they miss so, I mean, their duds are some of the biggest duds on Bravo. But when they hit, they hit so well.
Starting point is 00:16:26 So it's always, you never really know what's going to happen in a season. You never know. And they don't have time. And by the way, they don't and they don't have the luxury of other shows of saying like, we're going to take a little bit more time to figure out the cast of chemistry because they are on a truly seasonal schedule. Like they have to be in that house by July. So they only have so much time before they,
Starting point is 00:16:47 to figure out the cast chemistry before they start shooting, which is probably why they do have these hits and misses. Yeah. I think they've probably already figured it out because it starts shooting in a month. So they've probably already got everything set. Bailey, you're up again. Bailey's back. Okay. Well, let's pick up where we left off.
Starting point is 00:17:06 Just put all the people that have flopped on Summer House. Maybe if you give them all another chance, they'll all come back and do okay. Bring back Jules, bring back Alex, bring back Sam. Sam, Maya. Yeah, bring them all back. The guy from season two. Yeah, let's not even put that out there.
Starting point is 00:17:26 Okay, so. I would welcome back Christina Gibson. I've always loved reporter Christina Gibson reporting at large, but she's in Palm Beach now with the baby, so we'll never see her again on TV. Yeah, yeah, she's done. So let's see here. Where are we?
Starting point is 00:17:40 Waking up where we left off, Sierra confronting Lexi about her press tour. So she's like, yeah, like what you illustrated in the media, Lexi, like painting a picture that me and Jesse are like doing whatever like manipulative or whatever to like rub it in your face. Like, what the fuck? And she's like, but like Jesse orchestrates all this stuff and then he does it all summer to me. Like he specifically like pitted me against you three. Okay. But we didn't see that from the girls, and we didn't really see that from you.
Starting point is 00:18:08 We only saw you and Jesse interacting the whole summer. So whose fault is this? At some point, it's like, are you just a dumb ass that you're gonna believe everything that some guy tells you? Because you were nice to those girls, and they were nice to you. So... Yeah, I think, like, I 100% believe believe that I think that Jesse is sort of manipulative
Starting point is 00:18:27 in this like fuck boy away. And he, and he definitely says things that made her like maybe more suspicious of the girls, like, or, or suspect that there was more animosity than that was there. But what I don't like about Lexi is that she really takes herself out of the equation here. It's fine for her to say, you know, Jesse filled me with thoughts that you guys didn't like me. And, um, I was trying to push against that. And like, I really, it was my bad because I didn't actually do like, do the work with my own eyes to see how like our relationships I let with someone else and influence me. Like she never really said that.
Starting point is 00:18:58 She just was like, he pitted me against that. Like he pitted us against each other. And I'm like, I don't know. I don't even think that he pitted. I think that he just is, well, he did pit. I actually do think he pit. I take it back. He pitted. There was true pit happening, but I also think that he does it in a way where he,
Starting point is 00:19:19 I think he just likes to take himself out of responsibility for conversations he has, and therefore it turns into pitting, if that makes sense. Like if he's gossipy with the girls about Lexi, and if he has a conversation with the girls and says she's a little jealous, then they react, and he goes and brings the information back to her and then removes himself out of it.
Starting point is 00:19:43 So I don't think he's doing it to pit necessarily. You know what? Why am I even bothering trying to figure out why? I mean, I think he is. I think what you're saying is right. He's going to the girls and saying that girl's jealous. And then the girls are saying he's she's jealous. So watch out. And then he's going back to her and saying, oh, my God, the girls think you're just jealous, you know? So I the problem in all of this is that saying anything
Starting point is 00:20:05 that Lexi did wrong sounds like standing up for Jesse. Jesse's a douchebag, a liar, and a piece of shit. So I wanna just get that out. I think Jesse sucks. I ain't ever gonna listen to his music. I hate his stupid mouth. I hate everything, okay? Jesse sucks.
Starting point is 00:20:20 That said, Lexi also sucks. And I think Lexi gets away with a lot because Jesse sucks so much and she's just doing everything. The question in all of this is, why are you going to the press and making me look bad? When the season ended, you told me you don't trust me and Jesse broke up with you.
Starting point is 00:20:36 And now you're making it look like you had this birthday party that we ditched to go out together, which was a lie anyway. She had a birthday party on the 21st. They went to brunch on the 22nd. Jesse never even posted pictures of Sierra's face. He just posted pictures of food, but Lexi was like, oh my God, they went to lunch the day after my birthday.
Starting point is 00:20:53 But then when all these podcasts saying, oh my God, they both ditched my birthday party and went out together instead to make me feel bad. And that's shitty, that's shitty of Lexi to do it. So even now when she's being called out, she's playing this like, but it's because she manipulated me. It's like, oh my God, are you an idiot?
Starting point is 00:21:13 So now you wanna get off the hook because you're just too stupid. And also your lie is completely clear. That brunch was the next day and you broke up with him and you told her you didn't trust him. So why would she go? Lexi. Yeah, she really messed this one up because she did a great job with breaking up with him and you told her you didn't trust him. So why would she go? Lexi? Yeah, she really, she really messed this one up because she really,
Starting point is 00:21:27 she did a great job with breaking up with him on the show. Like I loved the way that she broke up with him. Um, but I don't think it was necessary for her afterwards to tell Sierra, I don't trust you because of what he said. I was like, well, this is the time when you actually want to like build up your alliances and your friendships. Like this is when you, you go towards the women that you feel like you were kind of held back from because of him, not like maybe she was trying to say, Hey,
Starting point is 00:21:52 like the reason why we're not close is because he made me feel like I shouldn't trust you. But the truth is like it was on him or whatever. She didn't really quite say that. And then like you said, she went on this press tour. It's like, you're really messing it up. You're really showing your ass to in this, unfortunately. And you could have actually emerged from it's like, you're really messing it up. You're really showing your ass too in this, unfortunately. And you could have actually emerged from this being like, you could have risen from this and we all would have actually rallied around you. And we'd have been like, oh my God, I want to see the side of Lexi that we didn't get to see yet. I'm ready for season two with her.
Starting point is 00:22:18 But instead it's like, oh no, you're just another influencer. You're just thirsty for, for clings. Trying to get attention. Yeah. You're trying thirsty for clicks. Trying to get attention. Yeah, you're trying to get headline clicks out there at someone else's expense. And do it to Jesse all you want. But Sierra was like, don't do it to me. I didn't do it. It's time for a commercial.
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Starting point is 00:24:25 And if this podcast lasts longer than 45 minutes, call your doctor. of the picture you paint, because I don't care about birthdays, okay? I didn't even go to Paige's 30th. And Paige is like, that's true. Well, that's rude. The fuck is wrong with you? All right, now let's stop on Sierra. How do you not go to your best friend's 30th birthday party? That's fucking rude.
Starting point is 00:24:56 Jeez. Yeah. And she's like, all right, I gotta move on. Okay, Lexi, I'm trying to get a sense of where you're at with Jesse. Are you mad at him? Really? And are you at your own reunion
Starting point is 00:25:05 She's like, yeah And guess who else is my entire family There was so much playing people against each other like he may seem like you three girls didn't even like me Thanks, just reaching under the seat where her mom is Hand comes up between the cushions. It's just Tiffany. Wait, did they even, did Andy even press Lexi on her relationship with her family last week?
Starting point is 00:25:30 I don't remember. How do we not talk about this? This is such a thing. How do you not ask about the creepiest fucking family on TV? Hey, why do you have a podcast with your mom called Six and Nine? That's fucking weird. And why do you talk about your sex tapes and shit?
Starting point is 00:25:45 And why are you sleeping with your mom? And why is your sister and your mom at a sex club with your boyfriend at four in the morning? We didn't need a segment of Kyle and Amanda talking about whether or not they're gonna have a baby. No one cared about that. It wasn't even really discussed that much on the show. Why are we doing that instead of asking
Starting point is 00:25:59 about this crazy family? That's what I wanna know. Yeah, I want the family on so we can ask the mom, the dad, and the sister why they're living off their baby. Yeah. How about that? So Lexi is basically saying like, yeah, you made me turn the girls against me or made me turn against the girls. And she's like, no, and then you like made me cling onto him. He like made me cling onto him like even more because like then I was like,
Starting point is 00:26:21 Oh shit, like you're the only person that actually feel like I have in this house. I'm like, I, again, I can see how he played those emotional cards to make her feel that way, but also why don't you go out there and try to talk with him, and then you can see for real whether or not what he said was true. She's using, I think what's kind of bugging me
Starting point is 00:26:41 is she's kind of using abusive, she's using abuser language like isolation, you know, she's like, you isolated me from all of my friends so that you could have more control over me in this way. And I think, you know, I think she's skating and Jesse's like, what the hell? Like you're making it sound like I'm this big manipulative mastermind. And Sierra goes, yeah, you're not smart. And so I think that's kind of what I need more of from Lexi.
Starting point is 00:27:09 Like we need the women to know that these men are douchebags and be able to handle them instead of being like in their own lifetime movie. It's Jesse. Okay. If Jesse is in a lifetime movie, I think the worst it's going to be about is his him killing our eardrums with his terrible music and bad dad jokes. Yes. I mean, look, I do think that Jesse was overbearing and I do think he's manipulative, et cetera. And I think there probably is some truth to that. I don't think he was like a, like an evil mastermind,
Starting point is 00:27:39 but I do think that he was, he does sort of get off in kind of like, you know, telling different people different things in the house, bring the information back in front of people. I think it like, it centers him in the drama. And I think that he does get off on that. But yeah, he's definitely not, he's definitely not like the husband
Starting point is 00:27:57 in Sleeping With The Enemy for sure. Well, I mean, I don't think, I just think that they both do that. They both wanna be with somebody who's all about them, who only talks to them, who's if he talks to anybody else, it's like, oh my God, how could you make me feel that way? He says he likes boobs. She's like, oh my God, that's my biggest insecurity.
Starting point is 00:28:14 He said, you know, they both do this thing where they're like, how could you be talking to the girls like that instead of talking to me? They both kind of do this thing where it's like, why aren't you with me? Why aren't you with me? And then of course it blows up in both of their faces. Oh my God, I'm so glad this couple is fucking over.
Starting point is 00:28:30 And she's probably also really mad because she's like, oh, like this show is about like girls hanging out in bed and gossiping. And I didn't get to do that because I spent all my time with this guy. And now I'm not like really the center of the show in that way. And I'm like mad at him about that. Yeah and now I'm not really the center of the show in that way, and I'm mad at him about that.
Starting point is 00:28:47 Yeah, because they weren't the center couple, because normally the main couple gets all the attention, and then the main breakup gets all the attention, and it just blew up in her face. I know that she watched the show before she came on it. Of course she did. And she knows that the girls already had that relationship, so she had the path to choose when she came in.
Starting point is 00:29:07 She could have been like one of the cool girls hung out with them, casually dated somebody. But instead she chose like, I'm gonna go straight for the center relationship and break up storyline of the season. And now she's in the middle of the couch. And it makes me laugh that Jessie and her both got stuck in the middle of the couch.
Starting point is 00:29:23 I'm never gonna get over it. I think it's one of the great Bravo wins of the season that they didn't give them first place. I know there was really no reason for Kyle and Amanda to be first notch on this reunion. I'm sorry, they did not deserve that spot. So Paige is like, Jesse, did you say to her, don't be friends with the girls?
Starting point is 00:29:40 Cause that would be hilarious. And Jesse is like, no, I've wanted you to be friends. I mean, why would I not want you to be friends with them? And I do believe that he did want that. I think that Jesse likes everyone to be friends, but the thing is he may believe that he wants her to be friends, but then I do believe that he wanted to spend
Starting point is 00:29:58 like every second with her. And so he didn't, he did kind of suffocate her. And so like to her that read as like, you don't want me to, you're not letting me spend time with people. So whatever. Whatever. I think they're mutual suffocators.
Starting point is 00:30:12 I think they're two little kids playing with dry cleaning bags over each other's heads. And you know, they're both gonna go at the end of the day. So Wes tries to stand up for him and he's like, wait, so did Jesse say to not be friends with them like Amanda, Paige and Sierra, but do be friends with Gabby and Lindsay because you did make friends so he didn't isolate you from everybody. And she's like, well, he said that they're trying
Starting point is 00:30:35 to break us up and they don't like us being together. And he goes, well, but those three and not these two. And I think what he's getting at is like, Gabby is actively trying to get you to break up. So what do you mean? Like, how are you saying you're isolated when you've got plenty of friends in the house? I think is what he means. And she's like, well, but like, he seems like he knew so much
Starting point is 00:30:58 and knew how to like move his way, you know? And like all you guys did love him so much. Oh yeah, he tried to big dog you because it was his second season, it was your first season. Pathetic, I'm on season seven, I'm gonna leave you bitches. So Lexi's like, yeah, and I was like completely alone
Starting point is 00:31:13 because like Emeril, you're in and like, I mean, you're just you, like, hoaring it up. She's like, you're supposed to be my ally, we're supposed to be newbies together and like you just were doing your thing. And Paige is like, well, he's a guy, so it's different to fit in. And he's like, yeah, I mean, obviously we didn't connect the same way, you know, and like you said, togate happened. And then it was like this whole big thing.
Starting point is 00:31:35 And she's like, yeah. So like, I definitely clung to Jesse 100%. And like he says it's miscommunication, but like, I was like very gaslit. And like I was very isolated and manipulated and like all of those things. Like it's been like heartbreaking. It's been like literally heartbreaking. Maybe she's just mad at herself because maybe she clings onto too many life rafts, you know, she's got her, she is still clinging onto her family. And in her mind, it's like, we love each other so much. We always want to be around each other,
Starting point is 00:32:02 but maybe that's actually more of a safety line than it is like really any more, more than just like, Oh my God, we love being with each other. I'm sure they love being with each other, but it is a safety net. It's something very comforting and secure. And so when she meets Jesse, and he's all about her, Jesse is something like comforting and secure. So she clings onto that and doesn't meet other people. But then I think on some level she may know that like, this is her pattern and she's like probably frustrated
Starting point is 00:32:28 that she fell into this pattern. I don't know, just saying someone else is suffocating. You literally ask for a commitment the first day and then introduce him to your family the second date. I mean, you're both suffocators. You're equal suffocators. You're equal suffocators. Yeah, stop, we'll just stop clinging. But when she says, I clung onto Jesse 100%,
Starting point is 00:32:50 we'll stop clinging onto people. Yes. That's your problem. Stop clinging. So then Paige is like, okay, but like nobody didn't like you though. Like I hope like you didn't feel like we didn't like you. Like we don't like you now, but like we did like you then.
Starting point is 00:33:01 Does that make sense? I know it's hard to follow the timelines, but like we did like you until you were terrible. We did like you. We were so impressed with the number of likes and subscribes that you had. We were like, this girl's gonna be great, but then you didn't really hang out. So it was like we were unliked and unsubscribed.
Starting point is 00:33:14 So I just want you to know that like we did like you for a small window of time. It's just so funny how I'm, sorry about that. Sorry, are you allergic? Are you allergic to this Lexi storyline? I think it's so funny how I'm, that's how I felt about that. It's not a people about this story. Sorry, are you allergic to this Lexi storyline? I think it's so funny how it was like team Lexi 100% until she started coming for Sierra.
Starting point is 00:33:32 And now I'm like, fuck Lexi and she's a suffocator. Like once I saw it turn to a girl I like, I'm like, that's not cool. That girl didn't do anything to you. So now I see you. But as far as the stuff she's saying about Jesse, I mean, I get it. I'm not going to stand up for Jesse. So then Amanda's like, Oh, my God, I wish that you like texted me or told me or something. Because I didn't know. That's like, Yeah, that was like really gassing like abused. So Jesse's
Starting point is 00:34:02 like, well, and you know, look, and the guys are such wusses too, cause the guys come on here and now all they do is their practiced Bravo apologies where they're like, well, I could have been better and now let me see how I was taken like I really gotta work on myself. And I would like him, whether he's right or wrong
Starting point is 00:34:23 to at least just say what he's really thinking and stop with these lie, these lie apologies and just be like, what are you talking about? You suffocated me too. You said this about the girls. You said this about him. Like, why is it all on me? I kind of need a little more fight back from Jesse.
Starting point is 00:34:39 And I feel like all he's doing is just saying, sorry, so the audience will stop leaving him mean tweets and stuff. And it's like grow a pair, dude. I'm not sure he even understands really what happened still. I think he was like just really head over heels for her, but his own garbage got in the way of his relationship. And he still was like, but why, why this even happened this way?
Starting point is 00:34:59 He's like, I don't know. So then he's like, can I honestly just say like both of you like really liked each other? And like, even though you would would break up and get back together, it was like so clear and the fun and the fun and the moment when you were really into this thing and for a myriad of reasons. And I'm like, wow, she used myriad.
Starting point is 00:35:13 I'm surprised everyone on the stage was like, myriad? What's that? I know, I was waiting for them to just pause everything and just put on Jeopardy music while we watched everybody try and figure that out. Lindsay Dale Hubbard, will you marry me for a myriad of reasons? Lindsay Dale Hubbard, you just got the myriad contract.
Starting point is 00:35:35 Oh, congratulations. So she's like, yeah, you know, I think, and Lindsay's like, well, I think that you were like worried that he was making you look stupid, and he was worried that you were making him look stupid and in the end you were just worried about what other people thought and you were just worried about metrics, basically,
Starting point is 00:35:53 which Lindsay gets. Lindsay almost married Carl for the fucking influence of Andy. For a Marshall's paycheck. So Andy, everyone's like clapping. Everyone's like, wow, Lindsey, Lindsey with the, the therapy is finally kicking in. It's like, wow, hey, and even girls clapping for you. Cause like, y'all was actually like,
Starting point is 00:36:14 really good. It was a really good, really good read. I was, what I liked about it was that you, it was, it was nice, but it was also soft. It was a soft read. I liked it. Actually, I was just saying the same thing last week. I'm like, shut up, Kyle. Shut up, Kyle. And then how come she can say it, but I can't say it. I said it first.
Starting point is 00:36:31 And they're like, Kyle, when you said it, it was ma'am's pleaning. So shut up. I wasn't running to see your thunder. I was just saying, I did your thunder better. So Annie's like, all right, well, do the two of you see a possibility of a friendship in the future?
Starting point is 00:36:47 Well, I tried to create a friendship with Lexi. So, um, I feel like we never really got the opportunity to do that over the summer. So it's not really my decision. It's okay. What about you, Lexi? No, I'm good. She's like, yeah, I'm good. So he's like, okay, well your storyline's over. Okay, bye Emerald. Don't know why you're still here. Thank you. Round of applause for Emerald on his penis.
Starting point is 00:37:09 Goodbye Emerald. Bye. Apparently we have someone here named Emerald who is gonna, we're gonna say goodbye to him. Is that a PA who worked for us? Thank you for your three months of service, PA. No, it's not. Oh, it's a cast member.
Starting point is 00:37:22 Emerald, are you sure? He's not a PA, but he probably is a PA. Okay. Let's take a break everybody. So they go on break and then Lexi reaches over to Sierra and she's like, I am truly sorry. Like I really didn't mean for you to get caught in the crossfire. Like he just like did so many things that made me feel like you were into him. And she keeps doing this thing. But then she goes on Nick Vile in like a week or two to say all the same shit against Sierra that she was saying before. So bye Lexi. Yeah. So then Kyle is talking to Jesse backstage.
Starting point is 00:37:56 And Jesse's like, Oh no dude, she's projecting what she's feeling. That shit. And I just never did that. Yeah, it sucks. You want a lover boy. So then meanwhile, Lexi's talking to girls, and she's like, yeah, I'm just like, really, really sorry, Sierra. Sierra's like, yeah, okay, I appreciate that. I just hate press and I hate media. Probably never gonna talk to you again.
Starting point is 00:38:16 Yeah, I just wanna reassert all summer, like 1000%. We were like, we like Lexi. She's so interesting. We probably will never talk to her, but she's a cool thought experiment. All summer long is what we felt. And Lexi's like, yeah, but because it was like pitting us against each other,
Starting point is 00:38:33 like off camera, like I really did think that you didn't like me. Lexi, if you sense that they didn't like you, let me tell you something. They didn't like you. They didn't. I don't care what they say on the show that they're like, we didn't like you, Lexi. And I don't think they were ever mean to Lexi, but I don't think they
Starting point is 00:38:49 liked Lexi. I think they looked at Lexi like a dumb twit who just came and made her whole life about some man. And they were like, okay, just be nice to the new girl. You know, I think they look at her as like kind of a young dummy. And they're like, okay, here comes this new girl on our show. Let's be nice to her. Like, let's not mean girl her. And just watched her dig a hole with this douche bag. They told her he's a douche bag, but they let her do it. And they're just all kind of watching. But I don't think they really liked her either.
Starting point is 00:39:14 I think they had the same impression that the audience had, which is like, who is this child who is in this house now? Because Lexi's only like two or three years younger than some of the other cast members, but she reads as like that little teenager. And I think it's not just that she's small in stature. I think it's truly the energy she puts out, the way she talks, the way she handles herself.
Starting point is 00:39:37 And it just is not a culture fit with a house. And I think that was the big issue. And I think you're right. I think they made a conscious effort to not be a mean girl to her because they don't wanna be that't want to be that way, but you could tell no one really connected with Lexi and it's not really Jesse's fault.
Starting point is 00:39:50 Yeah, agreed. So I don't think they did like her, but they were as nice to you as they had to be. And so now she's upset because she's kind of failed on all levels here. And so Gabby, you know, who doesn't really do great with this cast either, just sits there and holds her hand now for the next hour. And she's like, you did great. You did great. Like he's not even worth one single tear.
Starting point is 00:40:11 Don't you worry about it. You cow that. It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And Gabby's holding her hand. And like, you're not even joking. Every time they're not even talking about Lexi or anything pertaining to Lexi, and they'll cut to Lexi and you see Gabby still holding her hand. Like, you got this, you got this. I wanna have the baby. You got talking about Lexi or anything pertaining to Lexi and they'll cut to Lexi and you see Gabby still holding her hand
Starting point is 00:40:25 Like you got this you got this. I want to have a baby. You got this Lexi. You got this You got this like Lexi just went through war Okay, like they're acting like Lexi just came back from a six-year tour and it's like girl you had a bad relationship with the douchebag Why are we acting like this is gonna traumatize you for life? She's like, oh my god, I need all the support I can get. Jesse's not even saying anything. You are overplaying. It did traumatize her for life.
Starting point is 00:40:52 It did traumatize her. Remember when they broke up and she was like, I can't trust people anymore because of you. This morning I thought someone stole my lip liner. Oh, I did take it honey, but it was no harm. No foul. Here you go. Oh, thanks mom You got this Lexi. You got your lip liner back. You can do the rest So and you got a lip liner You should be called line Lipper. You're so supportive of that goddamn lip liner
Starting point is 00:41:22 Got this got it You got this. You got it. All right. Well, we're back with the gag from Summer House. Okay, we're not even gonna do it fun and games to kick off our second episode. All right. History has proven that you don't ever wanna see Lindsay Hubbard activated. We will not show a clip of that because we have to cram everything else into the next
Starting point is 00:41:38 45 minutes. So after showing up, yeah, she's pregnant. She's pregnant. So, hey, Mouse from Massachusetts says, okay, Jesse, care to explain your stink face reaction to Lindsay being pregnant? And he's like, oh, I mean, I think Lexi knows, like we were super happy. I was just surprised.
Starting point is 00:42:02 Like, I mean, a minute ago, she's ready to marry Carl and next summer she shows up and she's pregnant by another guy. I was just like surprised. You got this Lexi. You got it Lexi. It's okay. You got it Lexi. Jesse's like, Yeah, but also it's like your story. It was like four score and eight years ago, we did this and this I was like, where the fuck is this going? Okay, person releasing a new useless song every day on Instagram. I don't think you're the one to get to criticize
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Starting point is 00:43:29 You can listen to the big flop early and ad free on Wondery Plus. Get started with your free trial at Wondery.com slash plus. Wow, Carl, when you heard about Lindsey's announcement, you thought what? I mean, I was happy for her. I was surprised. I mean, I'm taking one day at a time. It was a lot for me. But yeah, I was like legitimately happy for her, especially as you can see when I was
Starting point is 00:43:58 like, you know, basically questioning like her and seeing how she was really humiliated is like a baby of humiliations. It's a, it's a. It's an embarrassed baby. But I heard about the rumors and the things, and I'm just praying for her. I'm praying for her. I'm so happy for her that I pray for her every day. Oh.
Starting point is 00:44:14 I'm genuinely happy for her and her embarrassment baby. So. All right. Battery, Duracell battery from Best Buy says, you were nice to Carl's face, but Gabby, that first we get, but then you have to say it about him behind his back, were you trying to make Lindsay feel better,
Starting point is 00:44:40 do you really feel Carl contributes nothing to the house? And we- I forgot this. This is horrible, oh my God, this flashback was horrible. They show Gabby talking to Lindsay and she's like, stupid fucking Carl, those stupid hair, those big stupid teeth. What even are those?
Starting point is 00:44:54 What is he, a beaver? What is he building a dam? Hate his stupid teeth. And his eyes, what are they made out of? Buttons, buttons that are made out of poop? Ooh, I hate him. And he smells, ew. He's like a broken down van missing a wheel.
Starting point is 00:45:06 Gross, he wants to be with Carl. Disgusting. He wakes up at 7 a.m. to go to Barry's boot camp, more like Barry's stupid camp, okay? Because he's only getting stupid every time he comes back. Gross. So we come back and Gabby's like,
Starting point is 00:45:19 I was just trying to gasp at my girlfriends because that's what, you got this Lexi, don't worry about it. it, you got this. And I'm like, where I'm from, like you stand up for your girlfriends by dissing the guy. But you know, I do call Carl, you know, I like him. Like he's, I feel bad about it. I apologize to his teeth.
Starting point is 00:45:38 Like I call this teeth, they have their own burner phone, which is crazy, but I did call them and I apologize to them. Yeah, you know, the best part about his teeth is that I always know if my hair looks good because I can always just check it out in the reflection. And so Carl's like, yeah, she actually texted me about that moment,
Starting point is 00:45:53 which I really appreciated. She sent me an emoji of a tooth and then an emoji of an up arrow, which I think meant big teeth. And I think that was an apology. I'm not really sure actually. Yeah, she sent me a teeth emoji followed by a lady that was cleaning, like teeth made.
Starting point is 00:46:10 So I was like, wow, my teeth are really made now. Like she likes my teeth now. She's like, I meant your teeth need the cleaning, but you're welcome. Did you ever think about that if you line up like a bunch of iPhones and have them all take like a flash photo together, it sort of looks like Carl's teeth.
Starting point is 00:46:24 No. So Carl is like, yeah, she's like cool. photo together. It sort of looks like Carl's teeth. So Carl is like, yeah, she's like cool. And like, I mean, definitely like, I was like a little disappointed to hear a lot. Like, you know, more about the teeth thing. Cause it's, you know, it's probably on me. Cause like, I don't think you're all fully aware. My teeth are, well, I've had dental issues
Starting point is 00:46:42 since I was eight years old. I got hit in the face with a turner in the shape of a hockey stick from my brother. My brother hit me in the face with a hockey stick and I took a baseball to the face after that. After that, a frisbee to the face, football to the face, a tree to the face, another baseball, another hockey stick,
Starting point is 00:47:00 an ice skate, went to the zoo, a koala fell on my face. A lot of things in my face. Broke my teeth. I love the Carl, Carl's sad monologue. My like, cue up the violin. He's like, I've always been insecure about my teeth. Once I ate an apple and I bit right into the seed. Ow, ow, oh, oh.
Starting point is 00:47:20 Once, one time, I got popcorn kernels stuck in my teeth. One time I was like, hey, Bob, look, before you add that butter to the popcorn, let's put on my teeth instead. And then my teeth have yellowed ever since then. It's a lot, I'm really insecure about it. But he talks about how much it sucks because his whole first season he was made fun of
Starting point is 00:47:38 for his yellow teeth. Okay, guilty, we're guilty, okay, I'm gonna just confess. I know that was us. But our joke was that you were selling dental equipment and you had like brown teeth. Like our only point was brush your teeth. And he's like, come on guys. I mean, back in season one,
Starting point is 00:47:55 I was brushing my teeth with a comb. And then they showed a clip of him brushing his teeth with a comb. I didn't even remember that. Yeah, really we did, I think, lay a lot of trauma for this cast because we were the only ones recapping the show slash watching it. So they heard everything that we said. And like there was, I made some really catty comment once about Lindsay's boobs.
Starting point is 00:48:15 And then she like mentioned it like someone said that my boobs like this. And I was like, Oh, that was me. Um, but, uh, but the truth is this, we never made fun of the shape of Carl's teeth or the fact, like we just made fun of the fact that they were yellow, which is by the way, something you can do something about it with the supplies that you're selling. Okay? Because guess what?
Starting point is 00:48:34 I have like yellow teeth too. And then I brush my teeth and then it's fixed. You know? Well, that was kind of the joke was it's like, he's not a good salesman, right? Because that was Carl's storyline the whole first, until really now, it's probably still the storyline that he keeps getting these jobs or he's not really doing a good job.
Starting point is 00:48:51 He's a salesman, but he's not selling it. And we're like, well, this is one of the reasons you can't be selling like yellow teeth. You know, anyway, that was really rude. But I think the deeper point is to anybody on these shows, don't listen to this or anybody. Like you shouldn't be listening. The internet is so fucking horrible and mean
Starting point is 00:49:07 and I would never talk like this to somebody's face. I do it because I'm talking to my best friend on the phone basically, but. Listen, you were not saying it to someone's face, you were saying it to someone's charter, okay? Right. And I know I'm not arrogant enough to really think he's talking about us.
Starting point is 00:49:22 I just mean that I was one of those people who had those conversations. But stop being traumatized by the audience. Like, how are you still on this show and listening to the audience? I think the only people who can last on shows like this are the people who are like, I don't listen to that shit. Like someone said, Stevie Nicks, this is so random. But Stevie Nicks was talking about how she had a conversation with Katy Perry. And Katy Perry was like, Oh my god, but like, how do you deal with people being mean to you on the internet? And she's like, I don't have the fucking internet. What do I care?
Starting point is 00:49:53 I'm not on Twitter. And then she's like, yeah, but like, who are your rivals? Because you know, like if so and so says something bad about me, and then I say something back, it'll get like all this engagement. And she's like, I don't have rivals. That's an internet thing, girl. Get off the internet and live your life. Like get over yourself, you know? And I fucking love Stevie Nicks anyway,
Starting point is 00:50:11 but I hope anybody on these shows listens to Stevie Nicks because don't put yourself in the line of fire like that. People are monsters, you know? Yeah, so girl, be more like Stevie Nicks. Be more like Stevie Nicks. Listen to Stevie Nicks. I do advise. Get to Stevie Nicks. I do advise.
Starting point is 00:50:26 Get rid of your Twitter. But also, if you do take one thing from it, like, you know, it was good. He had very yellow teeth, so yellow that it read on TV, and he fixed it. No, but here's the thing. It led to this path of destruction because first he got his teeth fixed, then he got veneers, but then the veneers were too big for his teeth. So then everybody made fun of his chiclet teeth. So then he got the veneers fixed a little,
Starting point is 00:50:50 but then they were way too bright. So they were making fun of him, like putting pictures of Ross's teeth from friends when he got a bleaching. And now, you know, he got his teeth fixed again, but now his face looks weird because he's sober and he just looks different and his face got skinnier. And so now everyone's like, he looks like a meth-
Starting point is 00:51:05 like a meth-y zombie now. It's like the guy just can't win. You try and fix one thing. In other words, no matter what you do to please other people, they'll find something else to bitch about. So don't try to please other people. Just live in your yellow teeth glory, okay? Just be, just be yellow.
Starting point is 00:51:26 There's nothing wrong with yellow. It's a great color. If you like yellow, then do yellow. But if you wanna fix it, fix it. But don't do it for other people because you just can never win that way. Honestly, I'm not gonna give Carl a pep talk about his teeth.
Starting point is 00:51:38 I think like, of course it's never nice to receive a pep talk. Well, that was a general talk to anybody who cares about what they say online, including- Yeah, no, it's never nice to hear. I mean, that's why I've never done reality TV. Not that I really had too many choices. I don't wanna hear people- I know, I've been keeping them off with the bat over here.
Starting point is 00:51:53 Like, Ronnie, please, please, Ronnie. That's why I've turned up so many invitations. We need to walk around our home goods. I don't need people talking about like my bad posture or like my skinny fat body. Like I just, I know that's what would happen and I know I would feel really bad about it. And you know, we are monsters. Um, but I think that in the case of her car, Carl, it's like actually very like fixable stuff. So, you know,
Starting point is 00:52:16 you just fix it and move on. Yeah. I just love that Carl's, uh, mini breakdown turned into mine. I was like, Oh my God, what is my karma? What have I done in this life? What am I doing today? What am I doing right now? But also by the way, let's not get away from what this is really about, which is that Carl was being, was being really passive aggressive at a fucker. And Gabby is like, you know what? Fuck this guy. This guy is so like whatever. And she gases up Lindsay as she should. And then of course, Carl's like, yeah, I should like really hurt
Starting point is 00:52:45 because like teeth is like my trauma. And like you really, like, you don't understand. Well, I had a nerf boomerang and it hit me in the face. And it's like, I'm really self-conscious about my teeth ever since then. So he turned it into yet another like Carl, woe is me Carl moment. And I'm actually kind of shocked
Starting point is 00:53:03 that that was not one of your takeaways, Ronnie. Well, it was one of my takeaways. Cause of course I groaned when he did it. So I was like, of course, now we're going to go into a Carl trauma, which makes you way worse because Carl was traumatized. And that's Carl's thing. We all know he's been doing it for years.
Starting point is 00:53:20 He just did it for multiple seasons with Lindsay. It's like anything time Carl is called out on anything, he's like, oh, by the, here's my trauma of addiction. It's like, oh, for fuck's sake. Could just do the dishes, you know what I mean? One time a fly landed on my upper lip and my mom swatted on it and didn't see me there and took a fly swatter right to the teeth.
Starting point is 00:53:42 So there's a lot of trauma on those teeth. You're doing great, Lexi. You're doing great. The teeth of trauma. I've got a mouth of trauma. That's why it hurts. She's like, okay, sorry. So then Carl is still going on about his teeth.
Starting point is 00:53:53 And Andy almost goes, well, you know, like what I'm looking at now is definitely an improvement, which is probably not the thing to say. But everyone's like, yeah, we love your teeth now Carl great job Carl They look great. They look great Carl cuz everyone's always afraid with Carl. He's always like He's always like so delicate like they always need to prop them up with every single thing. Yeah, poor Carl It's always poor Carl. So then it gets to Lindsay was nice to you about your brother's death So what about that the anniversary of your brother's death.
Starting point is 00:54:25 And he's like, I mean, oh yeah, I was with Lindsay. So like, I mean, the situation sucks, but like that was touching, that was touching. Which brings me to a trauma of the time I hit my ankle on the subway platform, that really hurt. And so it reminded me of that. It was a really beautiful moment that Lindsay pulled me aside and we all appreciate that. It's just really beautiful moment that Lindsay pulled me aside and we all appreciate that. Um, it's just unfortunate that at that very moment I was so distracted by Lindsay's
Starting point is 00:54:49 uh, kind words that a ping pong ball hit me right in the face and which is why I broke up with it. So, uh, so Andy's like, so why'd you go up and be nice to him in the club Lindsay? And she's like, um, cause I'm not a monster and his brother died." And Andy's like, "'Oh, wow, Carl, what did you think?' And Carl's like, "'I've met a lot, Lindsay, met so much.'" So he's like, "'So are you gonna be friends again, Lindsay?' And Lindsay's like, "'Oh, no, no, not there yet, sorry.'"
Starting point is 00:55:20 So now we talk about Turner. And Turner's the new guy and it's Ted Turner we all know it and Ted Turner learned from being with Marlowe on Real Housewives of Atlanta that he does not want to have to buy more reality stars townhomes So he's not coming on this show Yeah, so how's how's Turner adjusting the father like he's like so much better than I could have expected And he's like so the three of you do not live together. No.
Starting point is 00:55:48 What is that? Well, we put a romantic relationship on pause. And then everyone has to be like, oh my God. Even though no one, I don't think anyone even believed that there was a romantic relationship, but they just had to pretend like they were all shocked. Yeah, so she says that they're just focused on being the best parents to Gemma ever. And, you know, she's extremely famous and he's not, and it's very difficult because
Starting point is 00:56:10 he doesn't want to be public. And she doesn't want to be public. She's got she's like, I just got a fix it and add and my teeth all stay in. Sorry, Carl. But it's true. And Turner does not want me gluing teeth into my baby. And that's a problem. Like when am I allowed to profit on the baby? Hmm. Mommy is public, daddy is private. What does that make baby?
Starting point is 00:56:38 So we decided baby's public and private. So you'll see baby's face, but you'll never see her left arm. Sorry. I think this fight is about Lindsay trying to sell, I suspect to this fight is about Lindsay trying to sell, you know, ad space for the baby, like, you know, sponsorships and like, you know, babies are us or whatever. On the baby itself. Like, little like a sign.
Starting point is 00:57:01 She's like trying to sell little tattoos on the baby that are like forward. It's like when people sign. She's, like, trying to sell little tattoos on the baby. They're like, Ford. It's like when people wrap their cars with an ad. Like, Adriana's insurance. She's going to have, like, the baby, like, a little, like, Bjorn, baby Bjorn. That's going to have, like, branding all over it. Yeah, it's like the bike riders in Austin,
Starting point is 00:57:19 like, people who ride bikes in Austin, like, dress professionally. And then they ride around with sponsors all over themselves. Like, girl, you're on the shoulder of the freeway. Can you stop? It's not the Autobot or whatever. So yeah, but anyway, they're having problems with that. So they're still just friends, but basically couples,
Starting point is 00:57:37 because he still sleeps there half the week, but they don't have sex. But everyone's like, yeah, we see them all the time and they act like a couple. And she's like, well, we kind of are, we're parents, but we're not together. Yeah. So Andy's like, so what would, what would you say to the Lindsay Hubbard of nine years ago? Like, what do you wish that she knew then that, you know, well, I would say you just have to trust the universe and that there's gonna be a lot of sandwiches without mail and it's not gonna go the way you plan or think it's gonna go because you're gonna
Starting point is 00:58:07 go into a world of reps and you're gonna be okay with that because you'll get a baby out of it. Mm-hmm. Yeah, so that's hers, you know, she's like trust the universe. So while Lindsay bounce back last year lightning speed, Carl was a different animal when he wasn't giving lemur energy. I don't know what that energy, I don't know what that means because I don't watch his show, but that's funny. Madagascar. God, I love that show.
Starting point is 00:58:31 You really do look like the lemur from Madagascar. All right. Well, unfortunately I was tripped by Madagascar on my way into a Whole Foods and I've never forgotten it. That's why I only drive electric cars, no more gas cars, because I'm mad at gas cars. So he asked about Liv. And let's talk about everyone's favorite amateur magician, Lil. Sorry, I've been calling her Liv. Lil.
Starting point is 00:58:58 I really appreciate that, because she does make me want to live. We've got life, more life, but she's Lil. So I was like, yeah, well honestly, I just thought she had a hot body and a cute face. Which is funny because- He's still so Carl. Like what attracted you to live? She was hot.
Starting point is 00:59:13 Also I fucked her parents at a soccer game and that was pretty hot. So I figured she would be pretty good. Oh, she wasn't. She gave me 11. Well, I think this also speaks so much about Carl. I mean, it's not wrong to be attracted to someone because they're hot, you know,
Starting point is 00:59:28 and you're attracted to their body and everything. But I feel like, and I would have to go back to confirm this, but I feel like the story that was peddled to us was, she seemed really cool, and she really understood my journey, and she's like, really into magic, and she's just like someone who likes me for me. And then when asked about it again at the reunion,
Starting point is 00:59:42 yeah, she's hot. I'm like, so that just shows Carl still Carl, but he likes to present like, I'm deeper now. I care about the person on the inside. No, you just care about her body, which is fine. But like stop trying to act like you're deeper than you are. Yeah. Yeah. I thought he was mean to live. I mean, live as a little fruit. Lil.
Starting point is 01:00:01 Lil. You bring Lil on and then you just make her look, I mean she kind of made herself look stupid too, but I didn't like how he was like, oh, she's just like, oh, she gave me a lemon. Oh, gross. She's dead to me now. Wait, hold on a second, Ronnie. Hold on, hold on. You're doing great, Lexi. Come on, stay in there.
Starting point is 01:00:17 You're doing great. I'm just like so traumatized. Jesse manipulated Lil. I wanted to get to know Lil and I couldn't even sure. I'm not even sure. I'm not even sure. I'm not even sure. I'm not even sure. I'm not even sure. I'm not even sure. I'm not even sure.
Starting point is 01:00:29 I'm not even sure. I'm not even sure. I'm not even sure. I'm not even sure. I'm not even sure. I'm not even sure. I'm not even sure. I'm not even sure.
Starting point is 01:00:37 I'm not even sure. I'm not even sure. I'm not even sure. I'm not even sure. I'm not even sure. I'm not even sure. I'm not even sure. I'm not even sure. I'm not even sure. I'm not even sure. I'm not even sure. I'm not even sure. But it didn't want me watching it because he said, where I conceived my daughter.
Starting point is 01:00:47 His car was like, Oh, she conceived her daughter in the bed I paid for her. And she's like, I did not conceive my daughter in a bed. I conceived her on a taco. It was a hammock and a chip of a taco. Turner didn't get a taco. So Amanda's like, so you're pulling pulling a Turner and keeping it private? Yeah, because I don't need to tell you guys why I can see my baby. That's exclusive for
Starting point is 01:01:11 People magazine. Yeah. So he's like, oh, I'm responsible for my words. And I'm very sorry for that. I'm so so sorry. So now Kyle, um, what's different about Lindsay now than when you started? And he's like, yeah, you know, oh no, sorry, it's about Carl. And Carl's like, yeah, you know, like going back to like when I first knew Carl, like everything with Carl was disguised, but you know, like he would like pretend to be somebody who's not because he's on like, you know, uh, substances, but now Carl's just pretending who to be someone he's not based on like Instagram likes. So I'm just really proud of him. I'm really proud of him.
Starting point is 01:01:54 I mean, I just like, yeah, it's really cool to see how happy you are. I'm really happy. Carl does not seem happy at all. He seems like a shell of some, he seems like he's gone. He's, he's just like sitting there trembling on the sofa now, especially that he's like remembering all his teeth trauma of childhood. So yeah, but I've been like, you guys have both been like really supportive and kind of pushing me in the right way.
Starting point is 01:02:16 So I appreciate it. But next time like try not to push me on the tooth because a lot of dental trauma. So Sarah's like, yeah, we love you. Don't ever change. Even with your stupid jokes, just stay dead eyed, pony boy. Stay dead eyed. Hey guys, I know we need to talk about Kyle and Amanda some more.
Starting point is 01:02:37 Let's talk about that. Do they want to have a baby? Should they have a baby? When are they going to have a baby? Why are they going to have a baby guys? are they gonna have a baby? When are they gonna have a baby guys? So they go through their hole. You got the sexy. So Kyle works too much.
Starting point is 01:02:52 Amanda doesn't want to have a baby with the guy who works too much. But Kyle doesn't want to stop working because he needs to work. They want to sell Loverboy but they can't sell it. So he's stuck there. And I don't think it's real what, I mean, I think the real issue probably for me would be, if I was Amanda, the guy works all day and then he's decided to be a DJ
Starting point is 01:03:14 to give him in itself an excuse to go be wasted in bars, flirting with chicks and fans of the show, blubbering all over him until four in the morning, every single night. And that's not cool. I'm not having a baby with some fucking douche bag that's possibly out fucking fans all night. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:31 And he knows they have a baby, they're moving to New Jersey. So they're really trying to like push off the inevitable there. Yeah, so they don't say it, they both go through it. Like it's this work, it's work, work, but he's not ready to change his ways. And he held Lindsay's baby. And this, by the way, took 20 minutes of the reunion,
Starting point is 01:03:49 20 minutes that we could have been spent, could have spent been asking, it's not even speaking English, could have been asking Lexie about her family, which honestly, like I do not care about Kyle and Amanda's baby journey right now, because there is no journey. So he has sperm.
Starting point is 01:04:05 That's it. There's no journey. It's kind of the same thing with Amanda and Kyle for years and years. Amanda is willing to put up with this and that's what she's gonna get. Kyle, I mean, I still can't believe that she married Kyle. I really thought she was gonna,
Starting point is 01:04:18 I thought her parents were gonna like throw her in a van and get her out of there. But here we go. Yeah, and they applaud Amanda for her mental health journey and all that stuff. And Lindsay talks about how postpartum is actually like, it was like really was hard. And it was like a lot to deal with.
Starting point is 01:04:34 And she's like, I'm strong. So- But here's, this is gonna be controversial, but I don't care. Amanda's mental health, here's what Amanda's mental health journey is. I'm not happy. This man is not giving me what I want.
Starting point is 01:04:48 So I'm gonna start taking things that will help me be okay with it. So now she's been drugged up enough that she's taking up, I don't mean drugged up, but you know what I mean. She's gotten herself medicated and she's talked to a therapist and now she's gotten herself to the place
Starting point is 01:05:02 where she's just gonna be okay, just be like, whatever, he can do whatever he wants, if it works out, it works out. I don't think ultimately that's taking care of her mental health. I know she's feeling better, but I think she's gonna need to get what she wants. She deserves to have a family and if he's not ready, she needs to get the fuck out of there. I think this is just all temporary mental health fix. I think ultimately she's got to fix her situation and it's not gonna be just like sitting there putting up with whatever Kyle wants for another 10 years. Yeah, I mean, that is an interesting, that's a, yeah, I mean, I think she should fix her situation because I think that
Starting point is 01:05:34 ultimately she and Kyle, it appears that they have different wants and that is ultimately something that will continue to haunt their relationship from what it seems like seeing them on TV outside in. But I also think that like, I think that it's like both, it could be both things that she is on a mental health journey and she has to deal with that stuff. I think she is on a mental health journey and I think she is feeling better. I'm not denying any of that. I'm just saying she's feeling better because she's learned to kind of take what she's been
Starting point is 01:06:03 given instead of being like, I think it's like sunken cost fallacy. We've had this discussion for a decade now about Amanda and Kyle. It's like she's already put in this time, so she's going to just stay with them and hope that once the show's over and once the Loverboy is sold, it's all going to be different. But then she says even in this, what I'm thinking, which is, but then I'm worried that even when all of this is done and you sell Loverboy, you're just going to get involved in something else, which is going to keep you out all night in clubs, getting shit faced. You're going to find some other reason to do it.
Starting point is 01:06:33 And that's true. And I think he's nice. Like, I mean, I like Kyle and I like Amanda, but I just, she's, if she's going to ever truly fix that mental health, she's going to have to fix this and get out of it unless he does what she needs. Yeah. Well, it's more like not so much fix the mental health. If she wants to, I think, find true happiness, that's what it is. And yeah, I do.
Starting point is 01:06:57 I'm with you in this. I like actually both as much shit as we give both of them. I really actually enjoy Kyle and Amanda quite a bit. And, but I do, I am very concerned that there are fundamental issues with their relationship that I think they're hoping will just sort of get fixed and resolved and like we've seen it happen too many times where those things never quite come together. And yeah, it's gonna be, I think it's still
Starting point is 01:07:23 it's funny we're like, we don't wanna talk about Kyle and Amanda anymore, and welcome to the next half hour. So then we see all the guys at break meeting the baby, and they're like, so Carl, you met the baby, and he's like, oh yeah, briefly, just like a little hello for afar. I said, hello, you sleep in the crib, I bought you. Hope you enjoyed that.
Starting point is 01:07:41 Because yeah, Jemma said, fuck off. Yeah, I picked up on that energy when Gemma threw a rattle at my teeth. And long story short, I'll be seeing the oral surgeon tomorrow. So then we now it's time to, let's get to the main event, which is like Paige talking about Craig.
Starting point is 01:08:00 So Andy's like, ah, Craig, this season, alpha males, Kyle and Craig face off over the madness topic, you can imagine, spritz cocktails. So we saw that again. And Andy's like, do you think you fought too hard for Craig in that page? She's like, no, because it was hilarious to me. And I do anything that's funny, but he was my boyfriend.
Starting point is 01:08:20 And I thought, I always fought very hard for him. And I always tried to protect him. Someone said something bad about him. So I'm like, yeah, I would go at them Like he was my focus one thousand percent So I'd be like, oh like I know like I would always defend him and then like in private I'd be like, you know, like what you did was wrong and I had to defend you because you were my boyfriend Oh gross disgusting. Yeah, so she's saying she defended him but told him in private He was wrong and she doesn't even know if he was lying about the business stuff,
Starting point is 01:08:46 because every time he talked to her about it, it was different. And Kyle's like, yeah, I mean, like, I mean, I was trying to take the high road, but I have like literally text after text of him just lie after lie, receipt score. And I like that Amanda's like, yeah, Kyle was like upset. He would wake up in the middle of the night and just start freaking out and rocking back and forth. Really worried. Spritz really, really brings stress into Kyle's life.
Starting point is 01:09:15 Kyle, she said that he would sit on the edge of the bed and be like, huh, huh, huh, which is so funny. Cause I think we can all imagine Kyle doing that. I also, I have to say, I think that's like, he needs to go rinse out his nose. I think what's more refreshing than a spritz is this return to the narrative that Craig is a liar, which has been obviously like throughout this season. But this was like a big part of Craig's story on Southern Charm for many seasons. And then it kind of like went away.
Starting point is 01:09:40 And then Craig is like, I'm reformed. I don't drink anymore. I like went away. And then Craig is like, I'm reformed. I don't drink anymore. I like planting flowers. And people really forgot that Craig is just like a pathological liar, especially because really the emphasis has been on Shep and Austin being the disasters lately. And this was really a great reminder that Craig spent so much of our time watching him on Bravo, blatantly lying to us and the people on his show
Starting point is 01:10:07 So it's just so wonderful to like have a full 100% commitment back to the idea like Craig is a liar We've caught him in lies. We have the receipts. It's so it's so big We don't have to bring out the receipts because it's just a known fact amongst us that he is a liar I thought that was fun Well, and it's also when did Craig, when did Craig start to repair his reputation when he started dating Paige immediately? Like she started doing that clean up. And that's always kind of been my annoyance with her on this, in this couple.
Starting point is 01:10:37 It's like, stop presenting Craig like he's this thing. Like he changed his whole, all that reputation you just mentioned was Paige working behind the scenes. Like, here's what you do now. Here's the planter you buy. Here's the this. I think that was a big part of Paige doing it. And so my question was always like, but isn't that Paige lying?
Starting point is 01:10:55 Because everybody's like, no, Paige would never lie. And I've always looked at it as Paige lying. Even if it's like, I think it's normal to lie about your partner and deal with things privately. But the whole Amanda and Kyle wedding thing, I always thought it was kind of shitty, the way that that handled, they blamed Lindsay for leaking that story.
Starting point is 01:11:12 And did she ever get an apology for that? I'm still waiting for that. But, and she says it now, she's like, well, I was in a couple with a guy. And so I was glad this was being addressed because she's like, I was in a couple with a guy. And so of course I'm gonna try to protect him and make him look better and take care of it in private.
Starting point is 01:11:29 I think I, my take is a little different than yours, which is that I, I don't think that like Paige was, and maybe I'm misinterpreting what you're saying. I don't think Paige was like, this is what you have to do to look good. Like you have to do this and this and this. I think it was more like, why are you acting like that? Like being an adult. Like it's more like she, like I think she in that relationship was presenting her standards of what she expects
Starting point is 01:11:52 out of a boyfriend. And like, and especially as he was trying to probably be more professional, she probably was like, if you want to be professional, you can't be doing this stuff. You have to like, you have to like go and like, Yeah, I agree with that. Like a human. So I don't think it was like a Lady Macbeth,
Starting point is 01:12:06 but I think she probably was like, you need to get with the program either with me or with your audience if you're trying to do X, Y and Z. And so I do think that she cleaned them up. She's very good at curating the personality that she shows. And I just think that's smart. I don't really think it's malicious, but I think she's good at that.
Starting point is 01:12:23 And I think if she's with Craig, like you said, she's helping him with his too. But yeah, I think his whole reputation is her, cleaning him up and being like, you can't act like this. Yeah, I interpreted what you said, and maybe this was an error on my part. I'm responsible for my own words. I took it as like, there was a Lady Macbeth quality to it.
Starting point is 01:12:42 And I see her doing that stuff, but not from some sort like some sort of like, unless she has a more sneaky way. Well, Lady Macbeth was like trying to control, control him for her own good. And I don't think she was trying to control Craig for her own good. I'm not, it's nothing like that.
Starting point is 01:12:56 I just think she's very aware of personality. She's like a politician to me. Like she's very good at controlling image, I think. And so I think that she did that for him. That's all. It's a politician to me. Like she's very good at controlling image, I think. And so I think that she did that for him, that's all. It's a compliment really. I was saying she's wonderful. But there's been a lot of moments where I'm like, come on, you're just fucking lying about
Starting point is 01:13:14 Craig. Craig obviously was coked up at this wedding. I believed all those rumors that were coming out at the time. And when Paige was yelling at everybody else about being a liar, I'm like, but you're lying because you're with Craig. And so you're lying about all this stuff with Craig. So you know what sucks though is that that wedding was a while ago. It's nice to see her be able to be honest about it now. In other words. Yes, I agree. And what sucks is that that wedding was a while ago. And so that was relatively, I would say that's relatively early on in
Starting point is 01:13:42 their relationship that she was already having to lie and cover for him. I mean, we saw it in Winterhouse too. And like, that sucks. That's a lot of time to be put in that situation. I'm surprised she actually didn't bail earlier. Um, and that's, that's gotta be, gotta take a toll on you. Like to, to, to have someone that's, you're constantly having to like cringe when they start to drink or cringe in public situations and having to like have it, especially when I do think that like her brand is authenticity. Like that's like the
Starting point is 01:14:10 vibe is like we go and I sit in the bed and I talk and like say it how it is and to know that you have to like actually lie for someone. And like that's gotta be like, that's gotta be really, that's gotta be sucky and had to weigh on her for a few years. But why do you have to do that? You don't have to, but you wind up in these, sometimes with people, you wind up in situations where you feel like you like the person a lot, so you're like, oh, and then, you know, so I can see how she got kind of like roped into that.
Starting point is 01:14:35 And it just sucks, it sucks that she got roped into that path. And I believe, if we're really gonna go back, I believe the same thing happened with her and Perry, or Perry, whatever his name was from her second season on the show. Yeah, where she's trying to protect Perry and stuff and like keep him off TV and he didn't want to be on TV and then trying to like protect his controlling ways and all
Starting point is 01:14:56 of that stuff. And we never even saw Perry. He sucked. He tried to, she basically was like nowhere that season. And like that could have totally derailed her entire life because like she could have maybe not gotten invited back. Yeah. Fucking paranoid.
Starting point is 01:15:11 So Andy's like, so you know, were you wrong about him being a liar, Kyle? And Kyle's like, no, I was just trying to take the high road, you know, cause we see the clip of Craig. I love Craig in the pirate hat, just lying his ass off. I mean, like, really, you can't do this to me. I'm going to like not serve your alcohol in all of my 37, I mean, two stores of pillows, my pillow stores.
Starting point is 01:15:37 We'll see when I, we'll see how you feel when I take your lover boy out of my pillow stores. Yeah. And Kyle's basically like, he's like, yeah, well he would always say one thing, he would be like, okay, yeah, like, okay, I'm doing this but I want to run by you. Oh wait, I already ran this by my,
Starting point is 01:15:55 I've got to run it by my business partner. Oh wait, they are already doing this, we're gonna do this because they're not doing tea. And then it turns out that they are doing tea. So it was just like a line of, it's like a stream of bullshit from Craig to Kyle. And he just was over it the entire time. And Craig unfollowed anybody who doesn't support him
Starting point is 01:16:11 or anybody who's not team lover spritz or whatever he's doing, spritz social or whatever his thing is. So Kyle's like, yeah. And once they broke up, Paige commented team lover boy on something. And like, that really touched me. And she was like, oh my God, please don't cry.
Starting point is 01:16:26 God, your tears, your tears are flammable. Okay, please. You, you literally cry ever clear. Please don't cry. So now this, so, well, Paige, for the past couple of years, you've been adamant that rumors of the Craig getting kicked out of college and Amanda's wedding were untrue,
Starting point is 01:16:42 but you want to change that story now? And she's like, okay. So what I was fighting about last year at the reunion get a get a call and Amanda's wedding were untrue, but you want to change that story now?" And she's like, okay, so what I was fighting about last year at the reunion was that Danielle sent the story to a blogger. And like, I just was fighting because I was just so mad that I had to even talk to Danielle. So I was just angry at her. And we see a clip to Danielle talking about how she sent the thing to the blogger or whatever. But she's like, now was he asked not to return to the backyard?
Starting point is 01:17:03 Absolutely. Absolutely. Lexi, are you okay over there? I see you're really clenching on to Gabby's hand. She's like, now was he asked not to return to the backyard? Absolutely, absolutely. Lexi, are you okay over there? I see you're really clenching on to Gabby's hand. Are you okay with the story? It's just that I was manipulated. Okay, so anyway, so the next morning I woke up and I said, you better apologize to the Batulas.
Starting point is 01:17:19 And he refused. And I was mortified. And he was belligerently drunk. He was causing a scene. He was kicking tables. He was yelling at people break up with him. Like I can't. Why did she not break up with him right then and there? I mean, how do you stay with that?
Starting point is 01:17:32 That's I'm sorry. I stand by what I said then. Like it's hard to respect staying with that. Sorry. I do wonder like that's crazy that she didn't dump him right then and there. Like I wonder, I do wonder what was holding her back at that moment. Ugh, gross.
Starting point is 01:17:48 So she's like, yeah, you know, I never had a lot my entire life, but then all of a sudden with Craig, I had to be like, oh, he wasn't that drunk or he didn't mean it. And you know, it's overwhelming and tiring. And so Sierra of course knew there were problems. And so then we get the breakup story.
Starting point is 01:18:07 So Andy's like, well, he told me the reunion for Southern Charm that it was Thanksgiving break, but he didn't think that you were actually broken up. And she's like, oh, no, let me tell you, he was at my house on Thanksgiving Thursday. He left Friday. I broke up with him that Sunday, December 10th. The day he was on Watch What Happens Live, he came over that night and we had an in-person discussion and it's not like I just called him up and said, see ya. Like we had a phone call and then we saw each other
Starting point is 01:18:36 and then in a timely fashion at the end of January, I mailed just things back. I do have a question about that. How is that like a timely fashion end of January, this all happened like over Thanksgiving. Why do you even want Craig's stuff in your apartment for that long? Because that's when she announced it.
Starting point is 01:18:51 Because I think that they were keeping it, I think they were keeping it like copacetic until it wasn't. Cause he was like, I need time and I won't wanna announce it like this. I don't wanna have to go on press and have all these discussions about the breakup. And she's like, okay, fine, I'll announce it when you're ready.
Starting point is 01:19:07 And then he's out doing whatever he wants. And she's like, oh no, fuck this guy. I'm getting rid of him at the new year. And she sent all his shit back. At the end of January, she's like, yeah, I'm getting the cricket machine out of here. It's haunting me. So she's-
Starting point is 01:19:22 Well, it could take me as long as it takes me if I have to ship all your shit to you. You know what I know? That's actually true. I especially in New York. Oh my God. I hate mailing shit. I'm really bad with mail. I'm really bad with opening mail and sending it. And we have cars and stuff. I mean in New York, you're lugging all the, all those boxes down and like having to get them wherever. No, thank you. Ew, disgusting. So, uh, she what you said, that there were like she was getting all these pictures of Craig out at a bar and she was afraid that people were going to accuse
Starting point is 01:19:52 him of cheating on her. And she didn't want him to have to go through that. So she reached out to him and said, I'm going to put the statement out. And then he didn't say anything. So she went ahead and did it anyway. And, and then and he's like, well, Carl, did it surprise you that Craig didn't defend page when the cheating rumors started to swirl in the press? And Carl's like, yeah, maybe never because I knew exactly. Okay, whatever that meant. Sure. I think he's supporting you got a page. Yeah, because for those who don't remember, that's what Craig did right when she made that announcement. He was like, oh my God, I was so blindsided.
Starting point is 01:20:27 I had no idea she was gonna break up with me. And how could she do this right now at the holidays? Poor Craig, when he knew already for a month and he was already out partying with other girls and shit, that's fucking high. Yeah, and then just like, it's just so interesting because you never know what's going on inside a couple. It's just so true.
Starting point is 01:20:47 Paige, we really saw an emotional and vulnerable side to you this summer and I don't think we've ever seen it before. That's right. Which is why I've decided to leave the show because I saw myself crying in that bed and I said, never again, absolutely not. It was like watching The Fear Factor. I might as well have been swallowing worms
Starting point is 01:21:02 and making cake out of my own vomit. No, thank you. Disgusting, gross. Never coming back to NBCU. You brought the worst side of me. Oh, and she says that, you know, being in the public eye, like she doesn't feel like exes owe each other anything, but they're in the public eye
Starting point is 01:21:20 and their reputation means a lot. So when he's out there insinuating that she's cheating and he's leaning into like, oh, she wanted other people, which she's like, I didn't dump Craig because of other people, I dumped Craig because of Craig. So let's get back straight. And we saw that this season. And what was great about this season in the summer house
Starting point is 01:21:36 is we saw her really kind of like getting the ick or at least letting the ick come out to light and crying in that bed with Sierra. Like it was not just like she met a guy in November and decided to move on. So Andy's like, all right, well, you guys, you said you thought you and your ex-boyfriend that the two of you would remain friends.
Starting point is 01:21:56 I did think that, yes. Oh, sorry, before that she goes, he's like, you know, I've noticed that you keep on saying ex-boyfriend, you're not really saying his name. She's like, you know, I've noticed that you keep on saying ex boyfriend. You're not really saying his name. She's like, absolutely. And you will never hear me say his name again. Unless he changes his name to stupid, in which case I'll say that many times. So he's like, wow, you just never know what's going on with people.
Starting point is 01:22:21 BravoCon is going to be interesting. Oh, you're so cute thinking I'm going to BravoCon. Oh, that's, that's adorable. Did you know that I've already been speaking to human resources, right? I'm leaving this damn show. I've already started calling it Bravo Non. No. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:22:37 I don't know if you know this, but I was at the Oscars Vanity Fair party. So yeah, BravoCon not gonna happen. No, sorry. No. Sorry. So Jesse, any plans to pursue Paige? Like, of course, come on, you know it. Fly me to the goon. And let me go among the stars.
Starting point is 01:22:56 All right, please stop singing. Thank you. You got this, Lexi. There's a lot for me right now. It's a lot. It's a lot right now. You got this, Lexi. You got this.
Starting point is 01:23:04 That was our song. It's a lot. It's a lot right now. You got the sexy. You got this. That was our song. I love the moon. You took that from me. So Andy's like, Paige, your growth over the last year has been insane to watch. Amanda, you said the things that Paige achieved this year are the goals she told you about when you first met.
Starting point is 01:23:21 It must make you feel really proud to see her. Amanda's like, "'Yeah, I get emotional thinking about it, but to be fair, I also reached my goals, which was to make guacamole 16 times this summer. So where's my flowers?' I learned how to make guacamole into bikinis. So let's not just go- Let's spread the love around.
Starting point is 01:23:47 All right. Do you plan on going to the Hamptons, Lindsay? Are you done with this show? And she's like, I have a baby now, so I don't know. Maybe I'll be a friend of it. I'm like, I have a baby. So, okay, let's end it. That's it.
Starting point is 01:24:04 It's over. So everybody but Carl gets a russian. Carl's gonna get some breast milk. Just kidding Andy really teased this joke out. He's like everyone in honor of the season being over You're all gonna shot of breast milk and they're like, oh yeah, we're so excited for that. Just kidding It's a white russian except for carl. It's a double white white Russian. What just kidding. It's Lindsey's breast milk What just kidding? It's toothpaste. What just kidding is just oat milk. Oh my god filled with milk May denied that Lindsey drank a white Russian So they do shots and they're served in tiny bottles and Kyle gives a toast. He's like, I got to wing this one.
Starting point is 01:24:49 Okay. The friends, the family, I just want to tell you this. If you can't still pee your name into a blanket, is this even your name? All right, Kyle, put your penis away. And that brings an end to not just this episode, but the Paige Disarbo era on Summer House. So thank you everyone for listening. I know I'm so sad.
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