Watch What Crappens - #2887 Crappy Hour 6/6/2025: Bravo Hellos, Goodbyes, and Give Me 20 Mils w Justinian Huang

Episode Date: June 11, 2025

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Who cares what happens when this What What Crap happens? What What Crap happens? Who cares what happens when this What What Crap happens? Well hello and welcome to watch what crappens crappie hour. I'm Ronnie right there is Ben. Hi, Ben. Hi, how are you? How's it going?

Good. What's going on this evening? What's not going on? This is like the biggest crappy hour of like the past six months. There's so much happening There's so many headlines so many things to talk about and we even we also have a guest tonight. It's just like it's all happening Yes, we have a lot to talk about our guest tonight is hot. So prepare yourselves You always like that also an extremely funny and talented writer He wrote the book the Emperor Emperor and the Endless Palace,

and his new book, Lucky Seed, comes out on November 11th. Please welcome Arthur and Hadi, Justinian Huang. Justinian. Oh my gosh. Hi, Justinian. This is so surreal. You know, I've been listening to you too since Housewives' Hoedown.

Like, I'm like, yes. I've been, yes, you have been my paranormal Bravo sisters for paranormal parasocial. Guys, we have been making cabinets open and closed in his house for all this time. It's you guys. I see. I actually do have a ghost in my house, but that's a different podcast. But yeah, I've been you know, I remember you had. I see. I actually do have a ghost in my house, but that's a different podcast. But yeah, I've been, you know, I remember you had a third person who was like the fact guy. I remember. Yes. And then he was, yes, Matt. That's right. And then, um, the fact guy, did you call him? Yeah. The fact guy. He was always the person with the

body. You two have always been the funny ones. You told those impersonators, but you've been making me laugh, like, on a weekly basis for 15 years, you know? I've never had a boyfriend. So you guys are like my funny boyfriends, I think. Oh my God. I never have a boyfriend either. It's good to meet another one of me in the wild.

I know, right? And when I was living in China for five years, you two and Wendy Williams were like my connection to to America. So I yeah, it's it's been yeah, it means a lot for me to be here. I've had to do I've been able to do a lot of fun stuff since becoming an author. Like I've gone to Bangkok and a lot of metal of interesting people. But this is like the giddy full circle moment for me. I'm really appreciate Wow, right before we

started the show, Justin was like, Oh yeah, well, I was in Norway and I was on this boat with a bunch of billionaires and we're like, wait, hold on, we have to start the show. So we didn't even get that in. That's the thing. But that's the thing about being like, it's so funny. So few things have a sheen on them anymore. But being a published author, people just tend to be like, Ooh, that's something that's still fancy for some reason. When really it's not, you know, it's even reading is considered fancy because people don't really read as much. So when I'm like, Oh, I'm in the middle of this book and it's so good.

They're like, Oh, really Ronnie? Meanwhile, it's like the dumbest piece of trash books that I'm reading. Brain rot, you know, I just want to say that being a podcaster, we, we are treated very fancy. Um, like for instance, um, sometimes, sometimes we'll get free stickers. Like I said, y'all were, when I was listening to y'all back when, back when we were both at LA fitness together, Ben, um, I like, like you guys were like, you were hustling and now you guys are bigger than the

ABBA. I guess it's, I'm so proud. So maybe, maybe ABBA tribute, but still you're like building, you're filling stadiums. I'm very, very, so yes. Now Justinian, you said you have a story about how we first met because my first thought was we ran into each other at LA fitness and like knows before then and then I was like, wait a second. There was an app that we talked on. Tell us the story. First of all, that LA fitness was also the one where, um, uh, Jack's worked out there. Sandoval worked out there. Um, Kristen worked out there. I,

I never, I'll never forget. Yes. S Sandival and Kristen would always stand at the front entrance and just wait for someone to recognize them. It was so cute. But OK, so then we met pretty sad. I mean, depending on how you look at it. I mean, it's OK. You know what is sad? Yeah. Ben, you and I matched on Tinder, I think literally the first week it was out.

Like, I really adopters of Tinder. And the reason why this story is relevant is because it's Miami week. And we had a lovely conversation where we were talking about Bravo. And then you ghosted me after I said something. Really? Yes. You asked what my favorite housewife was. And I said, Adriana de Mora. And then you know, you stopped talking.

I just ghosted you. That's crazy. For Adriana, we actually like her. Well, what season was it? I was worried that you were going to say it was Larsa Pippen. No, I would never say that. I would never say that. I was hoping the story would be that you said Larsa Pippen and I could be like, well, sorry, I have taste, but like Adriana, that's not really ghost worthy. I don't know. I think it's because y'all were best. I think you still are, but y'all were like besties with Leah, right? And then like they were going through a really rough time. And it was,

we love Leah, but we still always liked Adriana. I mean, listen, it's, it's a boxing, so you can like one boxer, but you still got it like the other one. Some of that chick's always been hilarious. Why don't y'all think they've promoted her to a full-time housewife? Like, why do they just keep her in the wings like that? Is it some sort of like to keep her on the edge? I think it's actually, because I think that like, she's not, she doesn't have enough

or she's not interesting enough on her own. And I think that there's some people who actually perform really well in like a mitigated role. I actually thought that Vicky, for instance, and think that Vicky has worked really well in like a mitigated role. I actually thought that Vicky, for instance, and think that Vicky has worked really well as a friend of as opposed to a full fledged housewife. And then there've been a few others that have like been downgraded in a really strong way. So I feel like Adriana coming in as this agent of chaos is really good because she can be chaotic and then she could go away and we don't have to pretend

like we actually care about what's going on in our personal life. That's fair. That is fair. Yeah, listen, we've already got a lady with a fucking goat in Martina. You know what I mean? How can you compete?

Yeah, but I think it's to keep her thirsty. Candy in the comments said to keep her thirsty. And I think that's true. Because her and Mari Sol, two Mari Sols, kept their, and then look at all the shit they stir up to try and get more camera time to make sure they get those episode orders. So yeah, you gotta keep them on their toes, yeah.

Yep. The boat ride in Mexico was like, it was like, it met scary island proportions. It was just the funniest thing. I'm so excited for this season. Oh my God. I know. I feel like not in such a dirt, haven't we? There has been no housewives. Other than Atlanta has been on, which has been fine. It's been doing, you know, I feel like the season started stronger than it is now,

but it's still like, it's like perfectly fine season. But I know you're saying we have three of them on at the same time. Maybe this would be a good time to talk about all the stuff that's happening in the real housewives universe because shit's going down on multiple shows. People are leaving, people are coming and it's a wild, wild situation. They're going and they're coming and going and going and coming, but always too soon. Oh, little blazing saddles there for any dads in the audience, any dad jokes out there.

Yeah, a lot has been going on. One thing I read today, I didn't put it in the document, but just speaking of Miami, I think Todd's daughter is like, she came out with something that was like, that show is fake and everything's fake and stupid. I was like, shut up Todd's daughter. Okay. No one needs to hear from you.

And we know this shit is fake and we like it. Anyway, this show struggles enough with that. You're stupid ass on it. You go back to your room, go to your room. Excuse me. I would like to issue a formal apology for my daughter. She's a lovely woman. It was not up to her to say those things.

Everything here is absolutely authentic. And I apologize on behalf of me and the Todd family. Thank you very much. I will now put down my paper. Okay, so a lot of what's been going on has been hirings and firings, lot of, and pretend quitings. Today, Bryn Whitfield, which I've got this on my phone, so I've got to pull it out so I could read her statement. Bryn Whitfield claims that she quit

the Real Housewives of New York City. But earlier this week, she was on, I think the Page Six Boys show, Virtual Reality. And she was talking about how she was supposed to be on Love Hotel, but she just couldn't take it after New York because she was so traumatized by the scene. You were the traumatizer. What are you talking about?

So she couldn't go on that because she was too traumatized. And so they replaced her with Giselle, which we kind of already knew, but you know, in case anybody didn't. So then it seems like she's going to be going back to the show, but you know, in case anybody didn't. So then it seems like she's going to be going back to the show, but then today we get, I'm trying to turn this up so I can read it

because my ass is 90 years old. He's like, turn over. Hold on, do I have it on lock? Oh yeah, I already had it unlocked. Okay, making it big. Oh geez, that's real big. Okay, it's really long, okay. You should be narrating this in Bryn voice.

That's really big. okay? You should be narrating this in Bryn voice. That's a little life update. After a lot of thought, I made the decision to walk away from reality TV. For now, winky face. Last week, Hoppy is the dating app I co-founded and proudly serve as chief marketing officer, hit a massive download milestone. I can't even put into words how surreal it feels. All I wanna do now is pour every ounce of energy into building Hoppy into the number one

dating app in the world. I love that her dating app is named after Bethany's ex. Yeah, I was about to say. That's a bad sign. It's a bad sign. It's a crash and burn sign. I know, that's terrible. Cheetah Brand.

Cheetah Brand. Oh my God. I've been watching old- I hope you're not a Cheetah Brand. I've been watching old Roni episodes just to like commemorate the non-cancellation of new Roni. We had it so good. We had it, even this season with Cindy Barshop,

we had it so good, you guys. Oh, the, even this season with Cindy Barshop, we had it so good. You know, that was an amazing season. The bejazzler. Yeah, that was a good season. We don't appreciate what we have until it's gone. I think a better, I think a better, a better rephrasing of that is even the season with Barbara or actually let me update that again. Even the season with Elise Barbara was good. She's like, I'm bisexual. I'm a builder. Bisexual builder Barbara. I sell tool kits.

Tool kits and I'm running for mayor. Yeah, I remember when she ran for mayor and she was like, these liberal idiots ruling in the streets. It's like, oh God. So Brynn has a big long one. I won't read the whole thing, but I did like this part. And check out my podcast and prepare to laugh, cry, and possibly poop when you read my book

coming out later this year. Ha ha ha. And she's splitting her time between London and NYC offices. Hoppy, guys, she's very busy. As Sheryl Sandberg said, if you're offered a great seat on a rocket ship, don't ask what seat, just get on. So here we go, Rocket ship emojis.

Ha ha ha. What if that rocket ship destroys like Western civilization? That's why they were rumored she was on ladies of London. Oh, I get it now because I was hearing people say that she might be on ladies of London. Oh, I because she's working part time. I don't think that Bravo wants to deal with Brynn. Brynn was like very detested. And honestly, like everything that happened at the end of the Rooney season where she was really setting Uba up,

she was really weaponizing, you know, her sexual assault in a way that was like really gross to a lot of people. I don't think Bravo wants to mess with that. And they don't, I don't think they want to mess with her. I think they see her as a liability. And for her to be like, I decided to quit Rooney. I think they see her as a liability. And for her to be like, I decided to quit, Rony.

I'm like, at best you were fired, but also like you were all fired. Why are you acting like you quit? They just put the show, they basically put the show on ice and you're acting like you quit. I'm like, you weren't asked back, none of you were. I get it. Obviously, Hoppy paid for that article, you know,

like that's what it was. Hoppy. I'm just blabbering. But, like that's not what it was. I'm just kidding. But I love that she quoted Sheryl Sandberg, American technology executive of Meta platforms. She's like, see, I have an app. So I'm quoting someone from Meta. Sheryl Sandberg ultimately, I could be wrong about this.

I would love to hear what people have to say, but wasn't it like Sheryl Sandberg? Originally, people were like, yes, we love Sheryl Sandberg, lean in all that. And then nowadays, like her advice, her sort of girl boss advice has actually been viewed as more toxic. I could be wrong. Please let me know in the comments. I don't think she's toxic.

Look, I don't know a lot about her, but I know that she believes in creating a bottom up culture. And listen, it's about time bottoms took over. I agree. It was poor things. They've gone through a lot. Give them the, give them the reigns for a while. Can it get worse?

Goodbye, Brian. Thanks for being back to pride month, Ronnie. I love that. So Brynn is out, but we have some people coming back to Beverly Hills or coming back to Bravo. First the big thing that people were talking about over the weekend was that Rachel Zoe, Bananas coming back to Bravo. I think this is, I don't know if this is great for Beverly Hills, but I think it's great for Watcher Crappins.

I'm excited for us. I don't know if it's really going to help the show. I feel like I can't imagine her getting into drama. I just see her being on the sidelines being like, this is like bananas. Like literally I die. I die. Can I make a case for her? Even though I am, I'm just trying to be, I'm trying to be optimistic, you know, but I love that we don't do that often. So bring it on. Um, my thing about Rachel was that she was in some pretty iconic, um, feuds. Like, do you remember when she,

and she was in a huge feud with the Paris Hilton's friend on simple Rachel? Oh no. Uh, uh, uh, the Paris Hilton, the simple life. Oh, Nicole Richie, Nicole Richie. She and Nicole Richie were like in an epic feud that went on for months. I remember her because she was her designer and then like, I don't know. Oh. Yeah.

So I feel like they're Rachel's though. I think she does have like a bitch flower that can bloom. Yes, love that. I'm sure we'll first get like a very manufactured. Is she still with Roger with a D? No, they broke up last year. Oh no, I feel like he would have been. It was the extra vowel.

She couldn't take it. But people are pointing out that her designer, Joey Maloof, from her makeup artist, Joey Maloof, also had beef, or also caused beef already on Beverly Hills between Sutton and Rinna. Remember that whole thing? That's where the, let the mouse go, let the mouse go. That was Joey Maluth, he was the mouse.

Yeah. He was the mouse. And don't forget that Rachel Zoe was part of the original, one of the original controversies of the 2000s of tabloid times with Lindsay Moulham. Exactly. So she has had some pretty epicutes. You know, Obviously this season,

it's gonna be one of the seasons where there's a specter of a former housewife, which is obviously going to be Garcelle, and everyone's just gonna turn on Sutton being like, you're such a terrible friend to Garcelle. I feel like this is gonna be sad. The people will be. The people will be.

I think the housewives will be too. Even though they, I don't think they liked Garcelle. Oh no, see. I don't think the housewives are gonna care about Sut, you know, like we, even though they, I don't think they liked Garcelle, but. Oh no. I don't think the housewives are gonna care about Sutton. You don't think so? No. In terms of like Sutton's stance on Garcelle. Yeah.

I think that Sutton is now gonna be definitely out to dry. And on top of that, Teddy Mellencamp is coming back to the house. Well, it's rumored. Yeah, it's rumored that she's coming back. I can't believe they're doing that. You can't give us one, Rachel, and then cancel it out with the teddy. Like I'm sorry, Teddy's going through medical stuff. And I

wish her nothing for the best on that. But please do it off of my TV. He'll off of my television medical stuff. She should stay home and rest. Seriously. This is very serious. I mean, yeah, yeah, she's just she was never great. Do you remember when she tried to take down Vanderpump and was just so painful to wait? Wait, that happened? I don't remember that at all. Oh my God. One of the worst seasons ever.

Yeah. But the rumors are finally one and got Teddy back. And so now we're going to have all of the final five or the Fox force. Here's the, here's the thing. If, if Teddy were not like super close with Kyle the way she is, she might actually be a good addition because Teddy has really kind of leaned into a like, I don't care anymore. She's got a lot of Tamra now rubbed off on her. And she sort of says it like it is,

honestly, when we went on to their show, like Teddy was, I thought she was very funny. And she was like, I did like how she sort of like gave shit to people. But it's like, it's all gonna be in service of defending Kyle all over again. That's going to be really unpleasant to go through. You know, like it's so, you know, I, I dislike Kyle as much as you do, Ronnie. But like, she's also my Capricorn sister.

I'm a Capricorn. I totally get why she is the way she is. We Capricorns are like manipulative and Machiavellian and we're like petty and we're gaslighters. This is the worst version of myself. So I used to really hate on her until I realized if I was on a reality show, I would be like that. But at the same time, the problem is that like Capricorns are too emotionally constipated for you to build an entire cast around them, which is why I think Real House of Beverly Hills has not been as interesting as it's Hay Day.

Yeah, I think you're right. It's still riveting, isn't it? It's still riveting. Listen, my Kyle hatred, like I used to like Kyle. I thought she was really funny. I think fame makes a lot of them just cuckoo, and she's too sensitive, and you know, I've shared my feelings a million times. I don't need to do it. It's not like a real hate, it's just like a stop fucking crying and being a victim. That just makes me crazy. But everything else is fine.

And she, you know, like this season, she made me laugh a lot. It's just whenever it comes back to anything on her, it's like, you can't do this. She literally was like, you can't do this to the LGBTQ, like the LGBTQ plus community, you're not allowed to question people's sexuality.

I'm like, well, you are when you're banging a country star on TV. Like you don't get to make up the rules, you just fucking got here. Yeah, I think the thing with Kyle that's so frustrating is that like when she's being real, she is actually like very compelling, I think. And remember the first season, she was real,

and maybe the second season too, but eventually she sort of just like went into fakery to protect herself. You know, I understand that as a human instinct, but I don't love it as a reality star instinct. And she has- And stop building the cast around her. Simple as that.

Yes, I agree. Don't give her teddy. It was decent this year because more and more people had been chipped away from Kyle. And so she had a lot of crying moments. That's what I knew. I think what was so sad was watching how like Sudden has always been kind of someone who's liked Kyle,

but has the Sudden and Garcelle alliance and anyone who was previously in their alliance, like Crystal, they always sort of saw the, like what bullshit Kyle was. Like they saw through the bullshit and you sort of felt like given the right tools, they were ready to just take her down and take over the show and seeing the sudden ultimately sort of capitulate to just her,

her need to be part of like the cool girls at this, at the expense of Garcelle was actually such a sad moment. She's got Jennifer Tilly to help her out, but like, it's gonna be hard. My hope is just that Dorit continues to be mad at Kyle and then Dorit and Boz can sort of start a like a rebel alliance, but I am I am very concerned that Kyle Erica and Teddy are gonna be too much and gonna drag it into the doldrums of like the of like the post van der pump seasons there that were There's like post van der pump pre-sutton moment that was like really kind of dull. Yes.

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to be a big flop? From Wondry and Atwill Media, I'm Misha Brown, and this is the big flop. Every week, comedians join me to chronicle the biggest flubs, fails, and blunders of all time, like Quibi. It's kind of like when you give yourself your own nickname and you try to get other people to do it. And the 2019 movie adaptation of Cats.

Like, if I'm watching the dancing and I'm noticing the feet aren't touching the ground, there's something wrong with the movie. Find out what happens when massive hype turns into major fiasco. Enjoy the Big Flop on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to The Big Flop early and ad free on Wondery Plus. Get started with your free trial at Wondery.com slash plus. Other headlines is that, or are that, wait, what are they? I was just gonna say, oh, Monique Samuels, other,

yeah, thank you, I got blocked on my own miseducation. What's our buns? Monique Samuels returning to Potomac as a friend of why only a friend? I need some full time Monique. I don't need to see Monique at a couple of parties. I need Monique. I don't know if I need full time Monique. I actually don't feel like full time Monique was always that interesting and especially I don't know she was she was okay. I think this'll be good. People were ragging on Giselle on Twitter

because they were like, Giselle was so proud to get rid of Mia only to have Monique come back into her life. And I was like, that is kind of a hilarious. I never let you just win on this show, you know? It's like you kill all the zombies and then you're like, we're fine, we got all the zombies. Now we can move past that wall.

And then you get past the wall and there's five times as many zombies. You never win, watch the walking dead. So I guess this also means that Candace is not necessarily coming back because there were rumors that Candace was coming back. And then she had that thing where she was like, I'm at NBCU taking a picture.

So everyone's like, Candace is coming back. But maybe is she still, I'm assuming she's not coming back. Monique is the one coming back. If you could only choose one, if you were in charge, would you want Candice or Monique? Unpopular opinion, but I would take Monique. Candice was too much for me.

I actually think I would take Candice. Over Monique, believe it or not. Oh, tiebreaker situation. This is so weird. What about, who would you pick? I would choose Monique only because it's been a second since we've seen her. And by the way, I have a theory about why she's only a friend of,

I think it's because she crossed over and went to another network and they tend to be a little bit like, Oh, we're going to, you know, Oh, like they're going to make her earn it now. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. She's also divorced now. I think people keep forgetting that like she's, she's divorced. And in fact, Chris is, Chris was like romantically linked with someone really random, but like I forget who it was I need to look it up. But yeah, she may not have any I don't know what her financial status is either and Bravo Does not like does not like poor unless this could be Monica Garcia not anymore. I mean they

Threw those rules out the window. We've got Brett Eady on Atlanta and she's not poor for long after she sees for 20 million dollars We have to we have to get into this. This is the big one. This is the big one. This is the big one. This is the big one. This is the big one. This is the big one.

Are we ready for the Britt Eadie, the house of Atlanta second? Because it's starting up right now. Oh my God. So it started with Britt coming on with this big long post about not going to the reunion. I'm not going to the reunion. I'm in traumatized. Da da da da da. So this big long post,

please stop writing such long posts on your Instagram. My eyes are bad. All of you. Bryn, Bryn. It was just a narrow font. Just everybody with it. Bronwyn from Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Stop with the shit.

You need to put it in three lines that are like 15 font. Okay, because I cannot be enlarging your shit and taking off the lock on my phone just to reorient everything so I can read your 20 page post. Okay, but she had one of those, but basically she's out of there. She's not going to go because she's been traumatized by the season.

The show has done nothing but traumatize her. And she looks forward to, I don't done nothing but traumatize her. And she looks forward to, I don't know how she worded it. What did I say? I will tell you, I have it up. So she says, well, there's a few things that she says in this post. She's like, not only she's not going to the reunion, she's like, the events in this season have devastated me. And while I cannot say much right now because State Farm has me country in Mar-a-Go, I do want to set the record straight about one thing. The graphic sexual photos surrounding the events in episode 5, that photo was not me. However, as the

episode makes clear I did not see the photo at the time, rather was made aware of the photo being presented at the event, and based on what I was told, assumed that it was somehow a photo of me, which is why I reacted the way I did. By the way, this is not, this is bad case for making. I do not know who was in the photo, but upon seeing it for the first time recently, I now know it was not me. I look forward to seeking accountability and moving past this dark part of my life." Okay, so she says moving forward

with seeking accountability. So I was like, she's gonna sue. And then the next day she's like, and I'm suing for $20 million. Yeah. I'm so confused about this because, okay, let's say that picture wasn't her. I'll just believe that that picture wasn't her.

It was somebody else. So she never saw the picture. How come they're saying production didn't show her? I mean, this is just all online speculation now. Some people are saying, well, production didn't show her. They refused to show her the pictures. Why would they refuse to show her the pictures? And then she said on the show, she's like, Well, I do have pictures floating around out there. But

how would she get them? And then she said she had cam stuff. So how is it defamation if if somebody just said that there's dirty photos of you? I don't understand. I need to explain defamation. What is the defamation? I don't understand. Is it defamation if somebody says I have nude photos of you and I showed them, but then they didn't really show them? And she believed that they were her, so there must be something out.

It's unlike where they're accusing her of, you know, being in adult media and it's never happened because she believed that those pictures were her, right? So it's- Yeah, she said they were out there. I think it's purposely convoluted on, I think, I actually think she's working with a pretty smart lawyer because she just wants a quick payday.

She just wants to be paid and she can leave. And the amount they're gonna pay her is gonna be many times more than she would have made, like how she stayed on the show for a long time. She knows the audience doesn't like her. So she was like, this is the my best way to cash out this situation. As a Bravo watcher, I'm sad the way it's panned out.

I'd rather have to have everything happen on camera. Why didn't they have her? Why didn't they invite, why didn't they invite, why didn't they invite her and also have, I'm having a blank, the person who showed her photos, Kenya. Why didn't they have, but why did they not invite Kenya to the reunion? And why didn't they chain Brit to a sofa and make her stay there and we get that confrontation? Where was that?

Because they put themselves, by airing it in the first place, by airing that whole thing, they put themselves in the situation where they can't bring Kenya back because they're like, we're punishing Kenya. So they can't bring Kenya back because they're like we're punishing Kenya so they can't bring Kenya back because they put themselves all they had to do was cut that episode like they never needed to show if it was this bad that everybody needs to get fired why are you showing it in the first place you know and then it turns out that was really all they had for the season so that's why they showed it but then there was another scene as somebody just brought this up in comments that on the show, she was insinuating that those were pictures from when she was a teenager.

So she's insinuating that that was child porn, basically, that can you put out there. So- Well, she was 19. 18 or 19 is okay. Well, that's true. That's true. But she's kind of making people think

this could have been like an underage situation. So Bravo by airing that in the first place. Um, they're idiots. I mean, they're gonna have to pay something. I don't know. I think that like, uh, I'm not, I'm not a lawyer lawyer, but I think the moment that she makes a public declaration that she was not in those photos, I think she probably undermined a huge amount of her case, right? Because I'm not, again, not as a legal expert, but like, by even just saying that, I mean, I guarantee she will go back on it. And she's like, I said that because I was embarrassed

because I didn't want people to think it was me, but it was me in the photo. But I think that she is gonna be unreliable because it's like, you're being defamed, but like, I don't know, I don't see where the defamation is beyond the typical sort of like rumors and whatever that happened on these shows. And like, I think as a public figure, my understanding is

that like, in order to, in order for the defamation case to like to win a defamation case, you sort of have to go like there's much higher standards for someone who is public. You know, as a Bravo watcher, I'm sad the way this is panned out. I think it's a big mess. I think there's been way too many lawsuits. I think that Bravo legal needs to be fricking restructured. What the hell? What's going on with the handling over there? Why are there endless lawsuits going on?

You know? Well, one thing I'm noticing too is that they're not settling these lawsuits. So I'm, Britt could have a longer, a longer fight than she thinks, because they're not just handing out money over there They're like, nope, we're not giving you shit. Okay, we will fight you I mean it's taking years and Leah's is going crazy to Leah's is like you didn't let me go to an AA meeting and you Didn't support my disability, which is alcoholism. I'm like, what come on now So I mean he's going crazy for years and it's getting bigger and bigger and bigger and they're still not settling

So but I mean part of the also the issue is that these these shows they do kind of you know So she's going crazy for years and it's getting bigger and bigger and bigger and they're still not settling. So, but I mean, part of the also the issue is that these shows, they do kind of, you know, they, they cast lunatics, you know, sorry, they are a lot of them are lunatics and a lot of them are have narcissistic tendencies or at least are very self involved. And you just see already on this season that Brit, they're like, she turns everything into a crime against her. And I'm not saying that like, therefore she should be okay with, if her photos were bandied about on a poster, you know, when she was like,

nude that we all agree that that if that, if those were her photos that it's like horrifying and it's embarrassing. But if it's someone else, I understand also if she was, if she was led to believe that and then she's like mortified, but then it turns out it's not even her. I'm kind of like, you know, we're talking about like what's wrong with Bravo legal. I'm like, part of it unfortunately comes down to the casting that like you, you sort of like are on this razor's edge of like,

you want to cast someone who's just like off kilter enough to make good TV, but it can blow up in your face because these are people who like when things don't work out the way they want, they will turn it into something. And so you saw that happen with Leah and now you see it happening with Brit. Brit's wildly unpopular. She probably got fired from the show and she fell out with all her cast. And like, is anyone really surprised that she would,

she would do this and she would sue Bravo like as like one final swan song? No, of course not. I had high hopes for Britt. I don't know, just something aesthetically about her for me as a gay man. She just is just like, there's something so camp about her that I just really loved like the way she turns at her side. Like I was like, Oh, she's so, she has like a face card. I was really, really excited about her. I love Kelly. I think Kelly is so cute. I think we think we got one out of two of these two new friends, right?

CB 0 We got two out of three because Angela is excellent. JG Of course. How can I forget Angela? Yes, totally. I love her. I'm worried about her marriage, but I love her. I thought it was iconic that she was like filming the girls from the upstairs. And yes, I think yes, but it's it's I think it's a good transitional season. I agree too. I actually agree too. I think it's for transitional season. It's very strong. I think Kelly has some upside, but like she does not fulfill the promise of what she seemed like she would be at the top of the season. She went from being someone who's like a bit of an instigator to just someone who's like a cheerleader.

And that's like not quite as fun for me. It's giving me like the Roni transitional vibes. Do you remember? Like, you know, like Aviva, Britt is Aviva, right? Oh yeah, New Jersey, right? Like there were, there were a couple that would fall off, but then the cast would start gelling. I have really high hopes.

Britt's like- There was Aviva, Heather, Carol. I mean, that one people bitched when that happened cause they axed half the cast. Jarring. But I mean, still looking back, that was a great season. It was.

It was spectacular. I think like maybe a good comparison might be New Jersey coming out of the Teresa Doldrums of like round season five. Like this is a little bit like Brits kind of in that Siggy Flicker role. Um, although I would argue that Sigi Flicker was way more entertaining before she lost the thread. Um, but I agree. I think it's a good transition. I, I, I think that Brit is, um, this is just her big flame out. And the question is,

does Kenya more come back after this? Because they had to Bravo had to sideline Kenya after all, after everything. And Kenya wrote a tweet during the reunion where she was like, I take full accountability for everything I did. And I wholeheartedly apologize to Brittany and her family and friends and the viewers.

And I look forward to seeing you all on Bravo again soon. It was like, Kenya was, I think Kenya realized like, there's an opening for me and I have to stop. I have to play ball right now. And yeah, still sorry. But then, you know, also Kenya has been doing her YouTube, you know, stuff, you know, Kenya has also been doing other stuff and there's rumors. The streets are telling us that Kenya was the one who took Brit to lunch and showed her the pictures. Now who knows if that's true, but those are the online rumors is that Kenya met up with her, showed her the pictures and she's like, wait, those aren't even me. You know, so who knows if that's true, but that would be so funny of Kenya to do, you know, just shamed a stranger instead.

Yeah, I, you know, I don't know that we need Kenya back necessarily because everything was, I think bringing back all the old people doesn't necessarily help anything. That's why the show was tanking in the first place. Kenya was at the helm of that show as it tanked for the last four years. Like three or four years, the seasons have been terrible. So I don't know that we need Kenya to fix something

that was broken when she was there. She helped break it. We need new people, but I don't know how. It's easier for me to just complain. I don't know what the real answers are, you know? But I just figure there can't only be one NeNe, like, I mean, there's only one NeNe, but there can only be one hilarious fucking lady out there

who's not afraid and who's only doing shit for Instagram likes. Yeah. Yeah, well, I think that we're, I think like Angela was a great find. Everyone has connected with Angela. Everyone likes Angela. And what I like is that she's like kind of flawed too. And I, I, it's almost good when someone is like not like white hot popular, but just like solidly popular. Cause that way there,

there won't be as much of a backlash. I think. So slow burn. Yeah. Everyone's starting to realize, oh, she's super funny. She's super quick. She's fascinating to look at. I could stare at her nose all day. I don't care what it is. The current cast is kind of like when they started putting

electric checkout machines and everybody had to start bagging their own groceries at the grocery store. There's no carriers. I need carriers. Remember when they used to carry your groceries to the car? There needs to be a carrier. Otherwise, what are we doing here? You know? Angela's good. Angela's great. I think Kelly's fine. Like she's okay. Shemeah's not carrying. Like she's no. Portia's fun, but she's not carrying. There's no carriers. There has to be like a couple of anchors here to carry this show. Sh So I just did like the number one cliche, which is turn on your best friend.

The very first season, your cast like that. That's just for me, just so basic textbook. I don't care if it's actually justified. Like it would have been more interesting to have simmering tension between them. You know, sort of giving me a little bit of like Anne Hathaway vibes a little bit, you know, like she sort of gives that kind of drama club. She's going to sing songs where she can and she's going to cry about her children. I mean, justifiably often.

It's what the children call pick me energy. She has intense pick me energy. Yes. Yeah. I like Shamiah, but maybe she's not quite a peach holder status, you know? Yeah. But okay, so let's move on. So the conclusion is that Atlanta is,

we're gonna see what happens in this quagmire of the- Just keep working on it, you know? It's like I tell the Botox lady, just keep working. Just keep working at it. We'll try again in another few months. Let's see what happens, you know? Let's see if we want to see some other, uh, uh, housewives headlines. Cause you, you shamefully don't really watch summer house, which I know,

how are we going to fix this? I mean, could you give me like the elevator pitch about why a housewives girly like me should be watching summer house? Um, vapid people doing vapid things in a house for summer. That doesn't do it for you. Nothing will you know, I started watching. Oh, go ahead, please. I was just gonna say it's not the same vibe at all as housewives.

I don't know that I would have stuck with it. Had we not been doing this. It's one of those that I would select this is stupid. What a stupid fucking show. But then just watching it all the time doing this, it's one of those that I was like, this is stupid, what a stupid fucking show. But then just watching it all the time doing this, I got really addicted to it. Yeah. I watched the children's show of Next Jeff, the children's show.

Yeah, the children's show, yeah. That's it. I need to stop hoping it's gonna be Gallery Girls, and then I think I'm gonna like it. Like I know- It's pretty kibble, actually. It's good, think I'm going to like it. Like I know it's pretty close actually. It's good though. It's pretty close. It's good.

It's pretty close. Nobody complained about Oregon wine. Oh, they will. Red wines from Oregon. Oh, they will. That's because they don't know about Oregon yet. But when they find out, they don't know that that place exists.

They'll just talk it endlessly. By the way, so Justinian and I were both in Norway at the same time on dueling trips. And I just got my haircut this afternoon and I told my barber, I was like, yeah, I just got back from Norway. She goes, oh yeah, Norway, where's that again? I was like, it's in the North.

Surprisingly North, way more North than you think. I was like, she could be on next gen New York city. All right, Dustin, well, we're going to move on with some non-Bravo stuff. So, wait, tell everyone about your book. We're going to get rid of the work before we, before you go away, tell everyone about your book and why they should buy it. I'm an author. I've completely forgotten that I've written books. My God, this was very, okay. So these are are this is my book is this is the hard cover. And it came out as a soft cover. I'm a paperback, which is

a huge honor. Yes. And then I want that's great. So I'm really, really proud. This book is the very first shout out of this book was on watch what crap ends you to shout it out before it came out. So it means so much to me. I really appreciate it. Now. Now, baby, it's now been optioned. It's I what crap ends you to shout it out before it came out so it means so much to me I really appreciate it now it's now been optioned it's I just that is so cool I remember we first talked I remember when you were first talking about this thank you um so the the book is really pretty but don't be fooled it's very erotic it's about two soulmates who keep reincarnating as doomed lovers over

2000 years. And it's got it's got real housewives references in it. But it also has ancient Chinese courts where there are like, you know, Emperor empresses who poison the who poison their guards, etc. So it's got a little bit of everything. It's got a little bit of everything. But that's wonderful. It's just what a cool cover by the ride month. Thank you. Added to your pride month reading list. And yeah, in November, my second book comes out, Lucky Seed. And that also has been optioned to, which is crazy.

Oh, my God. Are they related or they're two separate books? There are two completely separate books. The second book is very real housewives. It's about a wealthy family in West LA who are, who all the cousins compete over, who gives birth to like the male heir, the baby boy that inherits everything.

And that's just like, I just wanted to create like a crazy, like, oh, it's like a pre-succession succession. I love it. It's totally succession meets crazy rich Asians and that's called lucky seeds. So love it. We'll kill it. Go, go find those books, everybody and follow Justin on Instagram at Justinian Hwang.

Love you, buddy. Thank you so much for coming on. You're great. Congratulations. We'll talk to you later. Bye. All right, everybody. I love that guy. He's so good at this too. He can sit to you later. Bye. All right, everybody. I love that guy.

He's so good at this too. He can sit here and talk all day. We just need to get him to watch more shows. We need to get him to watch summer house. Sometimes it's really hard to get people to cross out of real housewives into summer house, especially because summer house is so like, so much of it is kind of like security cam footage and it can be weird to just even watch that, but we'll get them. We'll get them. Well, now let's talk about the summer house stuff now that he's gone. Um, well, we, all last week we talked obviously about page the story about leaving RIP. Very sad about that. Um, but the latest news,

maybe not surprisingly, but a little surprisingly cause I thought maybe she would get another shot. Lexi would she's out. Lexi would out of here. She's like, she's out. Lexi Wood out of here. She's like, oh my God, like I was really like great. It wasn't the summer that I expected, but I'm glad I came out here and stood up for women everywhere.

Okay. Okay, Lexi, you're overselling it a little bit, but you know, bye. I did think she would get another shot as well. Yeah, I thought so, especially with Paige leaving, I feel like they don't wanna have too much of a, too much of like a bloodbath over there, and they can still sit in like the post-Jessie and Lexi

breakup and mind that, but there, I think that Lexi is just not the brand. She is just too young. Like she really should be like next gen New York City to be honest. I think that Lexi is just not the brand. She is just too young. Like she really should be like next gen New York City to be honest. Yes and then did you see the Carl stuff? The Carl Rathke, yeah.

Somebody posted an Instagram story of him being like, oh I love Summer House, it's been like really hard but you know it's gotten soft and it's time for me to go. I've got to go sell soft, soft, soft, soft, soft. And then he came out immediately later and denied that he ever posted that. And he told somebody who emailed him about it. He was like, oh, this is an absolute lie.

Can you please report this post? Because Carl needs that funding for soft. He's not going anywhere. He needs to come on the TV and beg people for his go fund, his 1.2 million to go fund me account to make that business happen. So he's not going anywhere unless they make him. Yeah. You know what?

I mean, but the good news is that even if they do get rid of Carl Radke, he's got a good guard clause. Good guard clause. Good guard clause. You gotta get rid of a good guy. Yeah. I don't know. They definitely need to like boost their female casting for summer house because I mean, Amanda and Sierra are just not

going to be enough to, to anchor that show. I know Sierra's coming more into her own, but we they're going to need support. And it's got to feel authentic to like, we please don't bring back Danielle. Obviously Lindsay will be in and out, but we're going to need, we're going to need some, some big, some big, um, good choices for the summer house casting people.

And I know that they can do it because they found Hannah and Paige and now they're like massively popular. So we just have to find the next Hannah and Paige or just something, something, but like, yeah, it's time to call them the big guns. Yeah, time to call them the big guns. So how are they gonna do it? Are they gonna find like actual people from the city

who are friends who are working or are they gonna find like Love Island people? Cause I feel like they're gonna go more like Lexi. I think they're gonna do a lot of Lexi casting. Yes. The problem is that a lot of those Love Island USA people seem to live in like Texas or like, remember like half the cast last year was like from Houston. I don't know. I don't see, you know,

so I don't see Love Island USA people necessarily being a culture mash for the house either because they're very much like in their Love Island USA bubble. And like one of the things that's, one of the things that's been very interesting with summer house as it's evolved over the years is that it does kind of represent this young group of people who are part of like the New York city media and tech scene to a certain degree. Like, like Kyle is kind of like tech bro adjacent, even though he's an entrepreneur and you have like Hannah and Paige and all them.

They're kind of like, you know, they come from the world of betches. Like they sort of are, they're media savvy people. They're people who I imagine read, not Vulture, but the one like they would have read Gawker if Gawker were still around. I forget what the one like the cut, they might read the cut. I don't know.

I just, I don't see anyone from Love Island USA being that type of person. I think one of the things that made that show so funny was that it was people who looked up to the Hamptons as the ideal. It was like that kind of New Yorker who's like, oh my God, oh, we're in the Hamptons and we're amazing. And I just dumped a girl with a private plan.

So yeah, like their whole lives were like based on being cool enough and rich enough to be in the Hamptons. Whereas I feel a lot of the people that they brought on the last few years, like whatever, the Hamptons is gross. It's far away. I'm just doing it for TV. They don't, it's not that specific kind of New York douchebag who really craves the Hamptons

Lifestyle. Yeah, that's a very specific person and I think they're out there But the show being on for ten years most people are too smart to do it They know they'll just they know that doing it will make them the opposite of what they're trying to be, you know, yeah, so Temi and Lauren in the comments both said or you think of Jezebel? I wasn't thinking of Jezebel, but that's exactly the right, that's exactly right. Um, comparison, which is that like people who be, I don't see anyone from love Island be ever interested in reading things like that. No one from love Island knows how to read. That's the first problem.

Ponies anyone that is from CSPS in the comments. That is correct. Not other people are suggesting nylon or paper busts, a hundred percent, all these things like no one from love Island USA is reading in the comments. That is correct. Other people are suggesting nylon or paper busts, 100%. All these things, like no one from Lovebound USA is reading these at all. Yeah. All right, it is time to turn it over to you, the audience, to come up here and talk with us on Vidya.

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