Watch What Crappens - #2933 RHOC S19E02 Part 1: Hot Pot, Meet Kettle

Episode Date: July 18, 2025

This is part one of a two-part recapGretchen returns to Real Housewives of Orange County to remind Tamra that she’s a monster and Katie tries to make things better at a Hot Pot event where she’s basically cooked. You can watch this recap on video, listen to our Love Island bonus episodes, and participate in live episode threads at patreon.com/watchwhatcrappens.  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Hello, welcome back, my sweet Rondala. How are you? Thank you. It's so good to see your little face. It's been so horrible spending a whole week speaking to people other than you. Can you see my face through those Angie K sunglasses? I can. Yes, I can see your face. I've got so much light on, flaring in my face. But yeah, I'm in Angie K sunglasses that a listener gave us because

I got my eyelids cut off. I had my eyelids ripped off. And when I tell you the doctor who did it was the hottest fucking guy, I think he messed up one of my eyes and I still could not stare at it. And then I went to like the checkup thing where they look at your eye and he was staring into my eyes while we talked and I was like, I'm in love. And then I was telling my sister and she's like,

I think he was staring into your eyes because he's an eye doctor. And I was like, oh yeah, yeah. So I think I'm crushed. Is he hotter than you with that sexy mustache you're rocking right now? Yeah, I've got a mustache too. You know, change it up a little bit. Is he hotter than you with that sexy mustache you're rocking right now? Yeah, I've got a mustache too. Change it up a little bit.

Why not? You're gonna have some ladies in the audience and some men as well. They are gonna be feeling things, Ronnie. I'm telling you, this is a very sexy look you've got going on. Cool sunglasses, mustache. It's like you went, you got your eyes.

It's like Urkel's other twin came eyes. It was like, it's like, uh, Urkel's, uh, other, like twin came by. What was his name? It was Raquel. Remember? Like Steve Urkel's. I just got back. You're already putting me in the Urkel pen. Can I have a minute? But yeah, it was, it was really fun. My first little dip into real house-wise plastic surgery, you know? Now I have a whole list of shit. Although it hurt a couple things. It hurt more than I thought, like the recovery hurt more than I thought. And the other thing was it didn't really do as much as I thought.

I really thought that I was going to come out looking like a different person and I look the same. I mean, I'm not showing you right now because I'm all bruised up, but I'm exactly the same. I mean, I don't know. It was an experience, I guess. I think you'll probably notice some differences once it heals up and maybe some swelling goes down. You're going to notice like some subtleties because even the smallest like millimeter

of change on someone's face, everyone you just notice you just see it, you know, think about all the times when you're so used to seeing yourself in the mirror. And then when you see yourself like with proper like through a camera, I mean, it really that's a big difference. But like, it shouldn't be that different, really. But it's like, I look like a monster. You know, I'm like, is this how people see me? I'm used to my mirror version. So like a few millimeters can change everything. So I think once that swelling goes down and everything, you know, you might see some slight changes there. Well, who knows? I hope it's not like when you're walking on the street and you pass a glass building, you know, like a reflective building, and then you see yourself

and you're like, oh my God! I know. You know, you're like horrified by yourself. I hope it's not like that. Like I wake up one day and that's happened. But anyway, thanks to everybody who came and filled in. You guys did such a good job. You know, we're really lucky doing what we do.

A, that we get to do what we do and just sit here and laugh with each other all day. You know, that's so great. And I really do, when I was away for a week, cause we had time off before this too, for the holiday. And so I've really become so much more appreciative of this gig, but also the friends that we've met along the way, you know?

And the people that we can ask to come pitch it in just like that, and they show up, and they do such a good job. I mean, everybody was great. And I've been reading the, you know, the comments to everybody, about everybody who showed up. And, you know, we're really lucky to have that. So thank you, everybody.

Yeah, thank you to our audience for being like a chill audience that is like, did not make our lives hell by being like, how could you do this? Everyone was very chill. And I want to give a shout out. I'm going to give a shout out to all our guests right now. Hunter Harris, Diallo Riddle, Amy Phillips, Diamond Cooper,

Andrew Puglisi, Eric Williams, Ash and Elena from Morbid, Dylan Hafer, Danny Murphy, and I think that was it actually. And Kiki Monique for Crappy Hour. So why am I sound like I'm giving an Academy Award acceptance speech? Because it feels like it. I don't know why it feels like it, but it does, you know? It was cool that all these people really like, kind of dropped everything and like joined us

and helped out. So I really appreciate that. Yeah, thanks team. Thanks friend team. And go listen to all their respective podcasts and follow them on social media because they're all really great people. And I know we tend to wander around in recaps anyway

and tell little stories in here and this and that this one's probably going to meander forever. I've missed so much. I can't believe how much I have to say. Oh, my God. I have to say your surgery came at a, at a, at a unique time because you missed the premiere of Orange County, the finale of Love Island, the premiere of, well, I don't know if it really counts. We did, but the, the, the Love Island Beyond the premiere of, well, I don't know if it really counts, but the, the Love Island Beyond the Villa, we didn't really even talk about that. But it was like, it was sort of hilarious. I was like, Oh no, I feel like Ronnie's going to like miss so many like big exciting things.

But the good news is that like the Orange County premiere was great, but this episode that we're about to recap, I think it's even better. The return of Gretchen. I mean, this episode was, this was a good one. Yeah, this was a good one. All right, let's jump into it. Let's get into it. Here we are. Real Housewives of Orange County, season 19, episode two, Old Faces, New Places. I cannot believe the housewives let them get away with a title called Old Faces. I know. That's a, it's a real shocker. It's a real shocker. But they did. They, they got away with it. Um, yeah, cause this is the big Gretchen returns episodes. You got,

you got a milestone in, you didn't miss this milestone. This is a big, I think this is probably the most important milestone of the week. I mean, yeah, love Island finale, whatever we get. Look, how about this? Why don't we give you, we'll do a quick bonus round with you. Flash judgments or snap judgments or you just bonus round. Okay. You answer this. Okay, thoughts on the OC premiere?

Decent, but too many old story lines. They need to come up with something fresh. And Tamara, nice try on the Tamara 18.0, but you're still a fucking monster, pops him on a trash can. Thoughts on Love Island finale? Loved the Huda breakup scene when he wouldn't carry her across the water.

I died, I watched it 30 times. And Ace still sucks, I don't care what anybody fucking says. Thoughts on Stephanie snapping at Lisa and also the Lisa narcissism, I mean the Alexia narcissism party that was also Greek God themed. Stephanie is a fucking pipsqueak monster who's fucking some old man for his money. I don't care how many different ways she tries to word it.

And I can't wait to make fun of her. She's humorless. So that might be a problem. But I do like her outfits. Narcissism party on brand. Loved it. Jax has, quote quote unquote quit the valley. Good, fuck you Jax, you fucking abusive piece of shit. I hope they send you on a fucking spaceship

with Aaron Fipers into the sun. Yeah, that's the news that I just read literally two minutes right before this. Aaron Fipers, what a piece of shit. What a fucking monster. So yeah, Jax and that guy send them into the Sun and also I don't care what anybody says Janet still sucks I don't care about her whole redemption thing this week of all poor Janet I have to look at comments that are like why is your husband with you?

You're such a monster and it's all because Kristen did it to me Kristen so mean to me. She's such a bully fuck off Janet We hate you because you're you. Okay, I don't need anybody on the internet to tell me you suck, you suck. Georgia's plan for opening a club on Next Gen New York City. Bowling, my mother Rhonda called this back in the day when we owned Skylane's bowling alley.

You know, she was the first person in El Paso to come up with Midnight Bowl, and she insisted it would be an amazing club. And now all these years later, George is gonna do it. Galena kills the chickens in the chicken coop or tries to... Galena's a fucking national hero. I love her.

I hope she runs for president. If we can vote this racist and all this other ass hole shit that this guy's done in here with his missing Epstein files and all this shit, we can have Galena. Bring Galena in to kill the chickens that deserve it. Like fucking ginger.

To whatever happened on Below Deck, which is probably not much. Below Deck was good. I'm really sad that I missed that awful guest Dawn because Dawn, she's like, hey Dawn, hey Rainbow, you're fucking with me, Rainbow. All the strip club owners. I was kind of sad that I missed that one, I'll be honest.

Atlanta Reunion. They're trying, I can't believe they're doing three hours with nothing, but they did a pretty good job. Shamia, you're only proving why your basic ass does not deserve that chair or that spot. I mean, boring. Nice girl. Boring as hell, though.

Beyond the Villa. Amazing. First, I wasn't sure because they barely wear mics. The recording is terrible. All you hear is echoing. But then they started fighting about spray cans and glam, and then I was back in. And also, shout out to them spending half the episode driving up and down San Monica Boulevard. Kings Court, which is the hottest of the three? Kings Court, I couldn't take. I'm sure it's good, but I just went through Love Island.

I can't take another dating. So I made it halfway through. I don't believe any of those men have trouble getting dates. I do believe they have trouble keeping them because they're douchebags. And that includes you, Tyson. I don't believe Tyson's not a douchebag. And just because he cried in the middle of the episode

about how traumatized he was, you know what? You were probably traumatized because you're a douchebag. You're a model. I don't believe that you're not a douchebag, Tyson. Okay. But good luck with your show, King. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Time's up while you got it in just in time.

Wow, I'm so impressed. We did it! Thank you. God, that was a whole week of pent up. It's like Joey Gorga not being able to, you know, pull his pud for a while. Release the poison. Wow, it just goes to show.

So basically the fact that we spend about, you know, 20 hours a week talking about like these shows, we could also just do it in about three minutes. Great, great to know. We can just show up once a week for three minutes. All right, so last week on Orange County, we had Shannon, of all people, bringing people to a golden door for hippie stuff

so they could restart. Shannon, you just yelled at your entire cast of Love Hotel to the point where the host went on a tirade against, a coked out tirade against you online a year after you crashed into your house and melted down about 10 times over Earl to Pearl. I don't know that you're the one to be hosting this event, but I love you for doing it anyway.

Yes, we definitely appreciate it. So we left off with them there, and now where we pick up, they're going to basically walk into one of those meditation reflective labyrinths that they actually did in Miraval as well, or some of them did. I remember Geno did the labyrinth. She's like, I feel bad,

because I'm lost in the labyrinth. I feel bad. Is that an I feel bad rinse? Because I feel bad. I feel bad, because I can't find David Bowie in the labyrinth. Wasn't the labyrinth on that one just like drawn lines in the sand?

I don't even think it was like walls or anything. It was just like, like drew like a maze from the back of a cereal box onto the sand. I think when people do these things, it's usually just like a, it's concentric circles. I'm not even sure if it's really a labyrinth. I think you just go around in circles until you sort of get to the center,

but it's called a labyrinth. I don't know, I haven't actually been part of it. I haven't done one but I do know that usually people cry by the time they get to the end of the labyrinth. So Fucking labyrinth. I've seen what happens in labyrinths and movies. Nothing ever good happens in a labyrinth. I literally nothing because like That's why I'd say these are grids because why would we have a labyrinth? I am looking forward to when they inevitably do this on, on the valley, and then Janet does it and cries,

and we can name the episode, Fans Labyrinth. So... BOTH LAUGH By the way, I have to say, the, I can hear the collective, like, sigh of relief for you being back because I don't think people were very happy with the, like the, the knots tearing Janice to shreds element while you were gone. Like the still talking negatively about her, but not like she's a fucking piece of shit, rotten hell die, die under a carpet that's being run over by a truck like if there wasn't that energy and people I can tell people

were like this is not right bring Ronnie back so I was like please let bring the bully back well I guess he's a Janice look she's fucking she is horrible like she is horrible but I I enjoy her horribleness but a lot of people are not people are like, no, she's horrible and she's not fun to watch. Yeah, she's like satanic. She's like satanic secretary, you know? Because she's not fun.

Like Satan is at least like fun and creative. I mean, at least in movies and stuff, the way he kills people and like tricks them and stuff like that. So I shouldn't call her Satan because Satan's more fun. But you know, just like that evil head secretary who never lets you have more than one of the candies because they're for guests. She's like one of those, you know?

Yes. Like who looks at your lunch and tells everybody what you ate, even though you're supposed to be on a diet. Yeah. By the way, I finally saw sinners. I've mentioned it on like about three podcasts this week. I just want to let you know that I did finally see it. Just when you mentioned the devil, I thought of, you know,

Janet and Sinners. How did you like Janet's musical number? When she was on that banjo, seducing Hailey Seinfeld, I was like, Janet's doing great. Honestly, like she may be the devil, but she has a beautiful voice. Might be worth it. Let her in.

So yeah, so anyway, they're doing this labyrinth thing and as they're doing it, we're hearing, we're hearing like flashbacks to last week because it's kind of like they're doing the labyrinth, but we're also recapping and we hear, we hear like, like, I want to start over and like that girl was attacking me on social media. I have never called her ever. And Katie doing her thing of like, I want to exonerate myself, but I don't have any service here. I'm terribly sorry.

Unfortunately, yeah, it's too bad. Can't exonerate myself. I don't have service. If you had any receipts in there, you would have them screenshotted just like the rest of us do, Katie. Now here's the thing. We all know Katie's a compulsive liar.

You know, Katie's lies, she lies a lot, but I'm still on Team Katie. These women are terrible. And I know that Katie was lying, but you all fucking deserved it. And I don't know how Emily can get off saying, oh, dare you bring my child into this? Oh, by the way, I have a piece of chicken in my purse.

I'm wacky. Like Emily, you know, you're saying don't bring your children into it, but you're bringing your child's eating disorder into it, using that for a storyline, and you brought her custody into it at the reunion, which was really fucking down low of you. That was so mean.

What Katie did to her was nothing compared to what she did to Katie. I wish Katie would just have the stones to be like, fuck you, what you did was way worse, and you owe me an apology, hatchet face, but you have lovely hair. Yeah, by the way, I have no objections to Emily bringing her son's eating disorder on screen because I think it's actually

very compelling and interesting. And I applaud her for it. But like, I do think though, you know, sometimes like if you're gonna like, if you are going to center your child in your storyline, you know, it's just, it feels like you can't call the shots necessarily on that sort of stuff. Like if you, if you want your child to stay out of harm's way, you really just shouldn't have them really be addressed on the show at all in the first place. It doesn't mean like, oh, well, she brought on herself. But I'm just saying there is like an element of hypocrisy in this as well. And I, I also agree 100% that I think, yeah Katie is lying. She's fibbing, but they all do. I mean, hello, look at Tamara. Look at Tamara who like, didn't she call the feds on Ryan last year or like, or like looking to that she did. Yes. Calling up a private investigator or like, or try or working with Shannon to do

that. Like they all do wretched wretched things. And I think they're just fully deflecting on their own bad behavior because they know that Katie is weak and she's a newbie and that Katie is sloppy. She's a sloppy liar and she's caught in all her lies. So they know they've got fresh blood and so they're just going after her. But also what she did is baby potatoes. Those were baby potatoes. What Katie did. She told some blogger about a story that your nanny retold about your kids saying that you didn't like Heather Dubrow. oh no, you know?

Like, oh no. I mean, what you did in retaliation was so much fucking worse. And Katie's not even playing on like a master manipulation level. She's just like, my kid really did hear the other kid saying that Emily doesn't like Heather Dubrow. Like really, you're gonna rip the woman apart for that?

That's what she did. That's her sin. I mean, they're crazy. So. And then meanwhile, you've got Tamra running around like still doing her thing of like Which we find out is a lie again another Tamra lie and She's bringing her child into it Her child's been begging her to stop bringing her up on TV and Tamra's still doing it So all of you complaining about bringing children into it

when you're the ones bringing your children into it constantly, quiet down over there. Quiet down. I'm so glad to have this show back. And I'll tell you one thing, Gretchen came back and she came back strong. I'm gonna say this right now. I think Gretchen came back very strongly.

I think we were all kind of expecting Gretchen to be kind of a waste of space because she just sort of has become this like spectral Like Instagram presence with like a face tuned face like a smudge. She's like a smudge She's like that painting that that lady did in that church who tried to fix Jesus's face and turn him into a smudge That's basically what Gretchen has turned into. So we sort of imagine that. Have you ever seen those clouds where people are like, Jesus, he came back, he's coming out of the clouds. And it's just kind of a smudge of a cloud with like the sun shining through it.

That's what, that's what she is. She's yeah. It's like, and I think that Gretchen came back with her first season energy because she, when her Gretchen's first season was her best, she was really, really so good. And then I think that like as Slade got his claws into her, that she did sort of become more and more generic and less interesting. And they even said that on the show when they had one of those behind the seasons specials, they said that she was sort of produce herself and protect herself. And I think that she's now like, she's been in time out for a long time. She doesn't care anymore. I think she's also older and wiser. And she just came back and

she's like, I have Tamra's number. I am not fooled by any of this bullshit the way people like I don't know, Gina and Emily are. And I'm not gonna I'm I am not gonna let off and I thought it was refreshing. And I thought she was strident. And like a great it was a great debut for Gretchen coming back after all these years. Does her face remind me of a marshmallow in a microwave? Yes. But I loved her coming back with that personality. I was cracking up the whole time and you know who else she has on her side now? Jesus. She's got, she's coming in with her full,

like she's, she's come back with her full on, like this is my Trump era. I'm going say Fox News. She's come back. She has Fox News hair. She's come back with her full on, like this is my Trump era, I'm gonna say Jesus every other sentence, and I'm just gonna go for it. I'm gonna make everybody pray at every meal. I mean, you've never met a more self-righteous person than a person like that. But then one of the, and I don't mean a Christian,

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I think Gretchen was great. And in fact, I felt like, you know, Slade really has made my skin crawl for so many years. But I felt like she was like, I feel like every time in the past where Slade and has made my skin crawl for so many years. But I felt like she was, like, I feel like every time in the past where Slade and Gretchen appeared on screen, he always does so much tap dancing and like, look at me, camera, that she also would get lost

in those scenes. And I think that she actually, she outshone Slade. Like at long last, Slade was just a little, he had as much energy and as much attention as Ryan and Matt in the scene that he was in. And that was like very wonderful for me because Slade is, he's too much. He just tries too much and maybe he's just exhausted

and he's realized that he just, you know, like he's given up maybe, but I felt like the dynamic between them was better for me as a viewer and she was great and... Well, he's got like that aging beach boy hair now where he like poofs it up really big. He's got like big hair. And so I liked that. And I think the reason his attitude has slightly changed is because for the first time ever Gretchen and Slade have an army. It's not just them.

It used to be them coming for Tamra and standing up to Tamra, but now they've got all these, all these ancillary characters who everybody kind of wrote off, like Jen Pedranti, no one gave her, no one paid her any mind, they just thought, let's just abuse this blonde idiot, you know? And then they've got this Katie girl who they think they could just abuse.

And I think that Gretchen's like, listen, bring me a couple of B levels and we'll take this shit over, you know? I'm not gonna stand for Tamra's bullshit and guess Jesus won't either. Tamra. It feels, if this feels like some sort of young adult novel or whatever, or maybe like a Game of Thrones thing where it's like they had to resurrect their messianic leader of some sorts to go against the big bad.

And they were like, they like did their ritual and they resurrected Gretchen, they brought her back and now she's like's like their undead hero that's gonna go after the undead villain of Tamra, and it's gonna be a great clash. And Tamra knows what's coming, because she started the season off with, oh, I can't believe that everybody's so mean to me. I'm going to stay with me now, because I got autisticness, and I'm gonna do some of it. It's like, shut up. I mean, it's just so, it's so textbook Tamra.

It just fucking cracked me up that that's what she came in with. And it's already crumbled by episode two. It's already good. Yeah. No, this season's already just like firing on all cylinders. Because there's so many interesting relationships happening because you have Tamara and Shannon are still just trying to like, they're just trying

to take swipes with each other. They're trying to gain some sort of like upper hand with each other. And then they just use some sort of like upper hand with each other. And then they just use everyone else as pawns. And then Heather is somewhere in the mix. I don't know where Heather, where Heather stays in this, but like those two Tamara and Shannon are like the central like underpinning relationship. And anything that Tamara does against Katie is ultimately it's just in service of unraveling

Shannon in some way. And that's what we see on this episode as well. So anyway, they all set some bullshit intentions on how they wanna be better about things, which they don't do at all. And then after all that, it's never gonna happen. No intention on any Housewife show during any one of these like foofy New Age resorts

has ever come true. attention on any Housewife show during any one of these like foofy new age resorts has ever come true. Not even not maybe maybe Gina's did when she went to Bali and felt the wind and now I don't want to live in fear anymore. No, I'm not scared. By the way, Gina's accent. Now you've got 10 accents. Like what is Gina even doing? Like she she's like the Brittany of this show where Brittany is just like doing her accent more and more. She's to the point I don't even know what is Gina even doing? Like she's like the Brittany of this show where Brittany is just like doing her accent more and more.

She's to the point, I don't even know what accent Gina's got anymore. It's not even Long Island anymore. Like she says her A's like E's. She's like, yeah, well it was really scary. Why are you talking like that? Are you from Minnesota and Long Island? Like what are you mixing together now?

Gina is looking more and more like she's in some TNT TV show about the mob. I swear to God. Not even like, not even HBO, not even, not even now, just TNT. Not even Paramount, because I just watched Mobland on my break and it was so good. And I'm like, yeah, Gina wouldn't even make that one. She's not on a streamer.

No. No. She's not on Paramount Plus, she's on TNT. Yeah. So then Emily is like, why is the only positive things in my life? And Shannon's like, well, I choose to continue on the healthiest path possible right after this Milky Way. I will take a moment. Well, I mean, it might not be the healthiest path,

but it is a path and it's called the Milky Way. And I choose the Milky Way, I choose that way. My way or the Milky Way. Jen is like, I am strong. And Katie's like, I am bringing health and positivity. It's like, nope, none of this is happening. So now, after their Golden Door experience comes to a close, we see Shannon driving.

She's heading to LAX to pick up Sophie. So she's talking to her on the phone. And she's like, Sophie, how was the flight? Oh, crap. I went the wrong way. Looks like I'm going the wrong her on the phone and she's like, so, Sophie, how was the flight? Oh crap, I went the wrong way. It looks like I'm going the wrong way on the highway. Whoops, sorry about that everyone. I'm talking to my daughter. She's having a rough day, that's it.

I can't unset Earl the Pearl's house in Georgia off of my maps. Can't reset it. And then we get to Jen and she's working out in her backyard, which is a step up from the parking lot she's usually working out in. So that's good. And you know, Shanna's having her wacky like,

well, I can't find the airport. Where do I go? I'm wacky, I'm driving around LAX. I'll tell you what's lax, the signage around here. wacky. I'm driving around LAX. I'll tell you what's lax. The signage around here. So then we see Gina at home with her kid and her kid's like, Mommy, the dog poop, but at least it's not diarrhea and it's time to you know what we're sitting a really low bing. We're sitting a really low bing. And then we go back to now, Sophie has gotten into Shannon's car

because this is like it's punctuated. All these things are happening while Shannon's literally picking up Sophie. And so Sophie gets in and she has a look at you. Nice to see you. We're not we know where to go. Well, oh, oh, oh, no. Oh, my God. I'm driving into the ocean. Oh, Sophie, help us all. She's on the tarmac. Yeah. She's like her be fully loaded. She's on the tarmac. Yeah. She's like her be fully loaded.

She's under a southwest flame. Like, wait a minute. This is this overpass is moving. Mother, you just parked on a wing. Well, I guess we're getting a free flight to somewhere. The way we're in the world is Matt Lauer. Except it's Shannon. We don't talk about Matt Lauer anymore.

OK, no idea how I got lost and how I have some of these delicious Where in the world is Matt Lauer? Except it's Shannon. We don't talk about Matt Lauer anymore. Okay. I have no idea how I got lost and how I have some of these delicious Dijon mustard twisty pretzels. Ha ha! Thank you, Southwest. Boarding group C, kiss my cracker. Excuse me.

Excuse me, you were there in the airplane. Do you happen to have an Abysscar cookie you can pass through the window over to our car? Sorry, ma'am, this is Southwest. We don't do that shit here. You can have some dry-ass ginger snaps. It tastes like chemicals. Also, if we open up the window, the whole plane goes down.

Oh, OK. It's already on the tarmac, but whatever. I thought this was my front yard. Oh, OK. We won't have any Biscoffs. How about this? How about we have some Biscons, as in turn on your good attitude? What happened to the customer is always right.

So then we go over to Omelie, a shape shop. Who opened a place called the shape shop? Fuck off with that. Gina. That sounds like such a Gina place. Oh my god, I'm going to go buy a trapezoid. It's like, no, you don't buy shapes there. And you just wanna...

You guys wanna go work at a shape shop? We can go to Shake Shack after the shape shop. Shape shop, shape shop, shape shop, shape shop, shape shop, shop, shape shop. Do you guys wanna go to Chop Stop or Shake Shack after the shape shop? Do you guys know? Do you wanna go to Stop and Shoppy afterwards?

So we go over to Shape Shop, which is basically a place with these big roller things guys know? Do you want to go stop and shop afterwards? So we go over to Shape Shop, which is basically a place with these big roller things with like, I don't know bumps on them. And then supposedly they roll all over you and then they are they confused about that? Are they confusing your fat? What are they doing? I think it's supposed to be that that stuff is supposed to like dissolve your fascia. That's like the thing. It looks like it's you know what that place is like?

It's like, have you ever seen a documentary, how things are made, and you ever see a factory, and you see a conveyor belt, and have you ever said to yourself, you know what I want to do? I want to put my leg at the end of that conveyor belt and see how that feels. That's what the Shape Shop is. It's like, get all the fun of cuddling up on a conveyor belt

without having to go to a factory. Well, I don't really have money now to go to a shape shop because I spent it all on my eye. But I will tell you, I do live on a very steep incline with asphalt. So I'm just going to start rolling down that every morning. I mean, if that's all you need is some bumps to undo your fat, I'll do it.

But then how does your fat know what to do once it's been dislodged from the, I just don't understand it. I don't believe it's true. Otherwise, everybody would be thin. Everyone would be. Well, they walk in and the girl who works there, they're like, what is this?

She goes, it's a full body, lumbatic drainage massage. I'm like, okay, what happened to the good old days of just shopping at Zensations, you know? Do you just, anybody really need to be in the room while I'm getting a full body lymphatic drainage massage? Am I massaging the lymphatic drainage? It's like, oh, look at this one just drained out of you. Let's touch it and massage it.

Could you imagine going to that with me? I don't even know. It was like 20 year old dominoes seeping out of my poor. I don't even know what the fuck would come out of me toxic waste. Nobody needs to be around when that's happening. Yeah, I know. Listen, I've got some reese sticks. I don't know why I don't want to see what they look like. Oh, I had Reese's. I had Reese's minis. Oh, they were so good. I had Reese's minis. Oh, they were so good.

What a delight. So, um, and was like, Oh, they get all the gummy bear float. Oh, wacky. So they do all this stuff. They're like rubbing up on these, like rolling pins, bumpy rolling pins. And then they go to a different room where they do like infrared light therapy and stuff. And they got like their legs wrapped up in those things and stuff. And he was like, to be honest, I thought we were gonna be doing this kind of stuff at the Golden Door.

So kudos to you, Tmra, because I see that you're really trying with Shannon, by the way. First of all, save your Yelp reviews for when you actually pay to go to that place next time. Because you got to go there for free. So no complaints Gina from the Golden Door. And also, you got to go there for free. So no complaints, Gina from the golden door. And also you got to go on the

labyrinth. Okay, just it's just just say thank you next time. Okay. The first time the golden door, the first time someone's ever been put into a labyrinth and the labyrinth was the one that was confused. It's like the labyrinth the upper view is like, what the fuck was that? Were those hair extensions? Was it tape? What was that? And what was that accent?

Where's that person even from? Don't ever let that person back in. They're like, the golden door has shut down. The labyrinth has shut itself down. The labyrinth went to like a labyrinth cocktail party and told the other labyrinth guys, I'm thinking about just being a straight line. I don't know.

It's like, I've always heard that expression about- It's gonna become a freeway. You know, I always heard that expression about like the living the straight and going the straight and narrow, but I didn't really realize how it applied to me until until Gina. So also, while we're at this line, Gina kudos to you, Tamara, because I see that you're really trying. What have you seen Tamara do that's an effort at all? Tamara has done nothing. Tamra did nothing but torture Shannon the entire year last year. And this year she's like,

I don't even understand why Shannon's so mad at me. I know. This is classic Gina. Started the season turning on your allies because last season Gina was on Shannon's side. Shannon had a DUI last season, and Gina was like, I'm going to stand by you. I'm realizing you're in a lot of pain. I've been there too. They were sitting on the same sofa together at the reunion.

There was everything. And now Gina's like, you know what? The way you stood up to Shannon, I see you like really trying with that wall. I'm like, yeah. You're really trying to shane. Yeah, you're really trying to shane. Just such a shane. Yeah, you know, and you're not letting people

deactivate you the way that you were last year. You're so different now. Gina doing that thing where she has nothing, so she's just going to come start shit with everybody else, which I kind of support. So Gina's like, do you believe that Katie didn't talk to the blogger? And Emily's like, fuck that, she did.

But you know what? I didn't like Shannon standing up for Katie. I mean, what the hell? We're not allowed to bully people anymore. We're changing the whole show. Yeah. Yeah. She was trying to make it seem like a gang up, but all it was was all of us just gang

up on her. It's not a gang up, right? That's and he was like, yeah, it wasn't a gang up. I mean, you were hurting everybody and now we wanna address it with you and you wanna sit there and victimize yourself. Says Gina, who's always, first of all, this is exactly what she said about Jen last year.

She's like, oh, so you can't bet your rats you're gonna victimize yourself? And who did she hurt? Who did Katie hurt? She's like, she hurt all of us. She literally like all she did was she just told the nanny, oh yeah, there's this podcast you can talk to like who the fuck cares and you're bringing more attention to it now on your show. No one listen. Tell me who listened to a nanny on a random podcast, even if it's not a random podcast. I don't remember what podcast it was. But tell me who really even remembered. if it's not a random I don't remember what podcast it was. But tell me who really even remembered.

OK, you're bringing good good podcasts. I think I mean, I think she has like a big thing, you know. Oh, you're right. It was Bravo, babe. I didn't mean to say Bravo, babe. But I meant like it's a good job. But but I meant just like you're bringing attention to it. Like it's this private entity that nobody can get a hold of. You know how you can get a hold of Julia Roberts going to fucking Instagram and be like, hey, bitch, I didn't like you and pretty woman.

And she'll write you back, go fuck yourself. I know, cause I don't- Not just kidding. But they're acting like, oh my God, how did you get the number to this blogger? You go on to fucking Instagram. How else do you think Nicki Minaj is telling SZA off right now?

That's exactly what I was gonna say. She doesn't have her home number. Yeah. I was like, this is just like Nicki Minajash and SZA, but I, um, I. You can tell them in a lot of times scrolling through news on, on. I'm like, you've been at home. So, you know, but like thirsty ancillary hangers on thirsty people are always, they know where the outlets are. Like honestly,

she could have never spoken to Katie and she would have found her way to someone like Bravo, babe. And I'm not saying like someone like, I mean, like just anyone, any podcast that's going to talk about this sort of stuff. But also, but like, OK, so this nanny, first of all, no one really cares about what the nanny has to say. We might maybe we would have repeated a few lines like, oh, we heard this from a nanny on on crappy hour.

We would have talked about it and laughed, but no one would have really cared. And then was acting like the nanny spread news that like changed America. And it's like, no, like maybe we heard it. Maybe we laughed. Maybe whatever. But by the way, we didn't need a nanny to tell us that you probably talked shit about Heather Dubrow in front of your kids, because we all know that you did. And we don't even blame you for it. We actually support you for doing that. Yeah, Heather is an asshole. And whatever you said in front of your kids, Heather probably deserved it.

OK? I don't know what we're all acting like. Oh my god. Someone said Heather Dubrow's an asshole? Heather Dubrow is an asshole. We all fucking know Heather Dubrow's an asshole. Heather Dubrow knows Heather Dubrow's an asshole. She does.

So then, OK, so anyway, I'm going back to my original point, which is like Gina saying she had all of us. Like, who did she hear? OK, so a nanny went on and talked that said that Emily has like talks about Heather in front of her kids the other point was that Someone said that Tamara someone alleged that Tamara was

Coming up with like fake accounts to talk shit about people or whatever and then coming up with like fake accounts to talk shit about people or whatever. And then Tamra's like, what she does to every housewife does that, you know, they do. Jam, it's not the only one out there with 40, you know, fake accounts. Yeah. But either way, the point is that, so like the, the other issue there was that Katie called whoever was, who was like being attacked by Tamra over this situation and like was conciliatory to this person and not conciliatory, but like was,

was what consoled them or something like that. Or something. I had a conversation. Leaking with that word. I was like, Oh, that, that was too big. I don't want to adjudicate this point, but, uh, but like, okay. So there was that, like, is that really the biggest crime against humanity? It's like shady and you could be like Katie. Please don't do that. Don't get involved in my mess or whatever Okay, so that's two people. How did this become she's heard everyone first of all

I don't see how anyone is hurt by any of these situations. Maybe they were annoyed Maybe it was a nuisance, but who was actually hurt I don't know and as far as people are hurt so, I count two people and we're a cast of like seven. So you guys on national TV and supported Emily going up there and saying you got your you're a bad mother and your kids were taken away from you because you're quick. You're insane and unstable and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That is the worst thing anybody can do to another mother. And I cannot believe you all are sitting up here defending that fucking taco in her purse carrying motherfucker over here. I can't believe it. I can't believe, well, I can't believe it because it's Gina and she's mindless,

but still no one hurt you. Especially, you know, it's so Gina doesn't like, Gina does not like that Katie is victimizing herself says Gina, who's always like, I can't believe that like Jen wasn't paying a rent. You know how that made me look bad as a real estate agent? Like a queen of victimization is Gina. So now we go to Shannon and Katie meeting on a bench. And Shannon's like, Oh, I'm sorry, I just hit you on the chin. I didn't mean to I can't really feel my face. I got laser

and I have to wear a hat. I got laser and I was on my face and I got a facial and I got a massage and I got Botox. I mean, Shannon is barely moving. She's, no way. I decided to treat myself because after everything with the world of Pearl, I was like, I deserve a facial and a laser and then-

And I got an air filter and oil change. I switched out my kidney and I've got one eyeball that's electric. Runs on watch batteries. Wiggy, wiggy, wiggy, wiggy. Huh? Yeah. You can do it. It's electric is what the song always said. I didn't realize that you really could do it.

So Shannon's like, I it's, you know, it's not fun to have things sag. I mean, so if there's a laser that can snap it up, I am going to do it as long as it's perfectly an organic laser and not made with any toxins. But so, you know, it's just neck up because down below, nope, nope, I'm not opening, I'm not. That is not up for business or open for business until I'm in a relationship.

So Earl the Pearl, you can just wait on that one. Ah. So Katie's like, thank you so much for standing up for me and telling the girls to stop bullying me the other day. She's like, oh, I get it. You know, you feel this, oh, exhaustion. It's just so hard. And there's so many people coming after you

and there's just so many people. And I just, someone needed to help you. Someone like me, Shannon Bedore, the most giving person and most understanding person in the world. Shannon Bedor, don't ever forget that. Especially by the end of this episode. I, um, I, I, I, I, I just want, I want, when you get ganged up on, I don't like that,

but this is also my way of saying, when I get ganged up on, which will probably happen very soon, you better be there for me, bitch. It would be nice if you made an effort towards me next time. That's all I'm saying. Okay. And Katie is like, well, it's a trauma response because I was married to a psycho,

and, you know, if I ever fought back with him, it became worse, and Shannon's just like, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh. Oh, my God, I wonder if I plugged in my left eye. Why does it use lightning cables instead of USB-C? I just don't understand the technology. Well, I just, you know, Stephanie, I just think that they're worried that you're calculated

or you plan what you're going to say. My name's Katie. Huh, I'm pretty sure Stephanie. And you're new this season. No, I was here for a whole season prior. Okay. No need to gaslight me. I already had enough of that from Jack Jansom. Stop ganging up on me. Where's my friend Gaty? Help me. Well, I wish I were smart enough to play chess. I mean, I can barely even play checkers. Oh. Um, well, I...

I... I can't... I thought we were here to play chess, actually. Are we not playing chess today? Please do not play chubby checker. I cannot... It's traumatizing to me. Now, if you want to trigger me, oh, God! Her fat's domino. I won't stand for that either.

I'll tell you who played checkers is my ex-husband, David Bedor, because he would often go down to the beach and he would check her out all the sluts. Checkers. David Bedore who only gave a cashier at the grocery store the checker. Attention on my birthday. Thank you very much. Sorry that took me a little while to get out.

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sorry if, not sorry that. So, you know, you need to say sorry that I'm not sorry if I, because no one likes a sorry if I. No one likes, I forgot what we were talking about. Please do not talk about trauma again. Thank you. J.D.'s like, well, I mean, so, okay. I know, here, let me try it from the top then.

Here's the thing, Shannon, you're about to say butt. No, okay, I am regretful of everything I did, but why would I go? Mouth, there you go. Mouth. Okay, how about this? I am regretful of that, however, however, however, and the however carries across the wind, across the ocean.

An animatronic mannequin starts coming to life. It's like, Jesus Christ, in the power of Jesus Christ, please raise me up. Leaves are swirling. They're swirling around. Slade gets out of bed. You see him dusting off a mannequin and suddenly the mannequin's head pops up and it's scratching. However! I have Wanda!

Hi, I've been summoned! So basically Shannon's like, just stop saying but, just apologize. And Tamara, she's like, you know, it's important for me to have compassion for Katie right now, because I've been in her situation with multiple people coming at me multiple times, and maybe I just wish that when it happened to me, multiple people coming at me multiple times, and maybe I just wish that when it happened to me, someone had come to me and said, I know how it feels. It would have been nice for someone to have stood up for me one of the million times. So, Katie was like...

And also, I really don't have a choice because Tamra still hates me and Heather still does what Tamra says and Emily and Gina are still following whatever those two idiots do so I basically need a friend. All right, Jennifer, we're friends. We're officially friends. So then we go back. So then we go back to Tamra who Tamra at one point was like, here's the thing with Katie batch. She's a silent assassin. I'm like, we have to stop saying silent assassin. Have you heard of many loud assassins?

Loud assassins are not known for like walking with a boombox like, hey everyone, I'm going to come kill someone right now. I think the silent is implied. Extremely accomplished assassin. It's like you're complimenting her, you know? So Tamara's like, so you guys going to go to the cat's now kitty party? I mean, yeah, I mean, you know? So Tamara's like,

so you guys gonna go to the cat's now kitty party? I mean, yeah, I mean, you gotta prove yourself to yourself that you're not gonna let her get to you. Like, that's... What happened to the Bali and the wind and whatever? Like, aren't you supposed to be on a spiritual journey, Gina? Like, shouldn't you be going to be like, we had this coffee, we settled things at the coffee, allegedly,

so you should be going, hoping to turn over had this coffee, we settled things at the coffee allegedly. So you should be going hoping to turn over a new leaf not to prove to yourself that you could like hang out with Katie and not get mad because by the way, you're going to get mad because that's who you are, Gina. Well, and I also love that they're just like, wow, Katie, diabolical Katie, inviting everybody to hot pot. What a bitch. They're just upset it's not hot beers. They like don't they really have no idea what to do with hot pot. They a bitch. They're just upset it's not hot beers.

They like don't, they really have no idea what to do with hot pot. They're like so confused. They don't. And Katie's like, guys, I'm giving you all chances to make your culturally inappropriate boomer jokes. And I'm not even getting points for this. Hot pocket, I want to know my birth.

Here's what drives me nuts. First of all, hot pot is not a foreign concept in terms of like, it's not a hard thing to conceptualize. It's not also saying pot is hot pot is not a hard thing to say or remember. So the more they are like hot pocket, am I right? The more they're just like really showing their asshole. Like it's just like, so look at that silly concept over there. Hot pot, hot pot.

Sounds like a hot pot kid, am I right? Yeah. So Emily's like, wow, can you imagine the things she's done that we don't even know about? Can you imagine? Emily's still getting herself all worked up over there. So then Tamra goes,

okay, everybody, here's the thing. Last year, Katie was filming Shannon having a full-blown meltdown at our gallery shop and they were sharing a dressing room. And then, okay, let me explain to you audience, a gallery shoot is what we do at the end of the season. That's where we take our pictures and some of the hairbrushes and stuff.

And then Shannon was being a terrible person and then Katie got it all on film and then she sent it to Alexis Belinda. You heard her here first, bitch. Man, you know, Tamara is so outraged. Hey, remember when we were on tour, when we recapped the Ireland episode and Heather DeBros secretly filmed Kelly Dodd having a meltdown and they all laughed about it. Ugh.

Anyway. Oh yeah. So it's totally, this is terrible what Katie did. I totally agree. And Tamar, you're just jealous you weren't holding the phone. Yeah, exactly. Cause they're also always trying to prove that Shannon's a monster, which at this point I believe,

I mean, how many accounts do we need of Shannon just losing her shit backstage and telling everybody off and acting like a diva? I mean, we've had them filmed. My favorite was when she was in Mexico and she was trying to run away and take off her mic, and they're like, Shannon, no, you have to stay. It's like, no, there you go.

She's like screaming at the whole cast and crew and everybody. I mean, we know that she's a monster, but you know, Tamara, I would think that you'd be more loving of that videotape, because it just gave you evidence. Here's the thing. I don't think any of us are really questioning like a lot of the veracity of these allegations that everyone's saying. Um, it's more like.

Making us care because I think at this point we've accepted Shannon is a mess. She becomes very activated. She loses her mind. She's a diva. We accept. Katie is messy. She's clunky with her mess too. She leaves a paper trail that's like easily traceable. She's not good with it. She talked to bloggers, quote unquote bloggers. Um, we get it all, but like you have to actually make us want to feel like those are bad things before we just accept them. Okay, that's fine. It's just who they are. Okay. Yeah, that's kind of why we love you guys.

Like you can't, you can't try, it's like you're mad at Superman for flying, you know? Yeah. I am a little mad at Superman for flying though. Like walk with the rest of us. Yeah, it's kind of unfair. Like you're already hot. Isn't that your superpower?

You already get everything. You're like a hot, like you're a hot white man who's like well worked out, like you don't even have to diet or exercise, whatever. And you can fly, fuck off. I need ugly people to be able to fly. Like we need to run fast. We need to get away faster, you know?

I think we all agree with the exception of Georgia from next gen New York City, that Superman is very privileged. So, she's like, Superman has worked for everything from next-gen New York City that Superman is very privileged. So... LAUGHS She's like, Superman has worked for everything that he's gone through. LAUGHS So, Katie...

Superman's really into bowling, you guys. So, basically, Katie, like, they're saying, yeah, like, Shannon comes in crazy and whatnot, and no one in the audience is surprised. So, Tamara goes, Shannon was pissed off that Alexis was there the same time she was. And Shannon started screaming and cussing. And Kitty was on her phone with her husband and she hung up without saying anything.

And pressed record and showed it to Alexis. And Gina's like, She showed it to Alexis. Oh my god. So Katie tells her version and she goes, yeah, Shannon comes in like holding her phone with 600 bags of her hair of hair or 600 bags and her hair up here. It's all out and she's half asleep and she's like screaming into the phone because that's what Shannon does all the time. So you know what?

You know, I know I love Shannon and I love Shannon's emotional breakdowns but Shannon's a fucking monster. And at some point, someone at your job is gonna be making fun of you and taking videos of you acting crazy. I mean, there's a whole subculture, you know, devoted to Karen videos

and I watch them all, I love them. So if you're gonna act like that, then be prepared to get videotaped, Shannon. That's my favorite thing is when someone is a total nightmare, no matter what the context is, but they're a nightmare, and then they're horrified that someone would film them. Like there is a line that was crossed.

Now you crossed the line when you started treating people like garbage. So, Emily- Yeah, so Shannon, I love you, but I'm not gonna take the Karen side, okay? Cause in those videos, whenever there's like someone, I was just watching a really good one. What's wrong? What's wrong?

No, no, I was gonna say, I love Shannon. I'm not gonna take the Karen side. However, I'm not gonna stand for this Karen behavior if it's not gonna be put on the TV show. Like, if you're gonna do this, put it on the show. That's true. But I was watching a really good Karen video the other day and there were actually a few comments that were like,

this isn't cool to tape people like this, you know, in public. We need to all stop taping each other. And that's absolutely ridiculous that someone is taping. That's unfair to this lady. Like she's allowed to have a bad day. No, this lady was not just having a bad day. She was abusing workers at a place, you know, whatever.

We've all seen these videos. And I'm not gonna take that side. And even for you, Shannon, if you're acting like that and somebody is sitting there, they have the right to videotape your ass. That's it. Don't act like a jackass if you don't want it on the internet, okay?

And that lady was named Nicole Kidman. There, we said internet. Okay. And that lady was named Nicole Kidman. There we said it. So I know Spanish. I don't know Spanish. This is an Australian accent. Hello. I've been sitting here for five hours and no one's even brought me a prosthetic nose yet. So Tamra's like, yeah, Shannon was just pissed off because Alexis, like, you know, Alexis

could use that video against her. And she was like, oh my God, active lawsuit? Like that wasn't the active lawsuit. She got a Honda legally. She got a Honda. John and Alexis were making accusations that they had videos of Shannon displaying behavior that was not the best. So the last thing you want is someone videotaping you and sending it to the person you're in lawsuit with. I mean, God forbid there's any sort of video evidence of Shannon being irrational or acting a bit deranged.

Thank goodness there's no footage of that whatsoever. And thank God there's not a treasure trove of it going back, I don't know, 10 or 11 years. God, that would be terrible. It'd be terrible if this is the first, they finally found the footage from Katie's phone. Finally found the footage of Shannon Madore. The secret footage of Shannon acting like a fucking nutcase.

So Tamera pulls her like, Oh my God, what's Shannon gonna do once she finds this information out that I've been sitting on until we were filming again? If it's something that I need to tell her, it's a good person. I've been going to therapy, you guys. 77 toothpicks, 77 toothpicks. So Emily's like, no, don't bring it up because it's gonna, the content of the video is gonna get bogged down by saying that you're trying to divide someone's soul, so don't bring it up because it's gonna, the content of the video is gonna get bogged down by saying that you're trying to divide someone's soul,

so don't bring it up whatsoever. And you know, Gina's like, got it. I bring it up on behalf of Tamara and then I catch all this shit and then I wonder in the midway through the season why Tamara always gets away with things. Got it. What have you got?

So she's like, you know, I just feel bad because like I'm the one who brought Keity to the group What are you? So she's like, you know, I just feel bad. Cause like I'm the one who brought Katie to the groove and now she's acting like this and always feel bad. Yeah. So Gina, she just feels so embarrassed. Gina, this was, this was already last season. You, you can't play this card for two seasons in a row. Gina Katie's not the newbie anymore. You can't like,

you can't use this as the excuse for why you're going to go after this girl anymore. Like that was all of last year's bullshit. New storyline, please, from you. Thank you. So then we go to Shannon's house and she's going to have a wacky scene with Sophie, who's back from New York City. So Sophie's going through the fridge. She's like, Mom, why does it smell like this? Did someone die? What did someone die? Oh, what? Did someone die?

No, only the embers of my relationship with John Jansen. Oh God, thank you, Alexis Bellino. Give me that pineapple juice. I can smell it. Is it the pineapple juice? Is it? Teresa Tudai said it would do something to my hoo-ha. She's like, oh my God, you were supposed to drink this before December 2024.

I'm on a simp. I can't tell time anymore. I don't know why. I'm trying to lose weight. Oh, well, you. And did you notice this is such a mother, mother daughter thing that she does. She goes, I'm just trying to lose weight, Sophie. Oh, by the way, you've lost weight, Sophie.

Mm. She gives us like really tight smile. Mothers who are constantly telling you to lose weight and then the second you do, they're like, oh, wow. Thank you for trying to compete with me by losing weight. Good luck with that. I'm bigger, I'm stronger, I always win. I'm not gonna lose.

I brought you into this world and I'll take you out. Losing five pounds without my permission. I guess that's what you get because I guess now you're a New Yorker. You're fancy. You're a New Yorker. Right? No, mom, you have to be there for 10 years before you're a New Yorker. Oh, thank God. There's still hope. So we find out that Sophie has graduated and she works in sports and she works out every day and she eats healthy in case you couldn't tell from her healthy lifestyle. But she also broke up with her boyfriend, which I'm so happy about because I was really nervous

that she was just gonna settle down after college and live like a boring life, you know, somewhere. Well, Sophie was looking like the one that she was like gonna get real religious, go settle down on a farm somewhere and just start popping out kids immediately, right? Like, I think that was the fear, at least for me. I was like, wow, Sophie, and she did.

But she went to New York City instead. I mean, like, all her kids have fled Orange County and gone to liberal centers. Yes. I don't know if Shannon knows what to do. I, uh, wow, I don't know how I knows what to do. I, uh, wow. I, I don't know how I feel about this. Okay.

Well, Sophie's, uh, Sophie's new hobbies include, um, paying a lot of taxes, okay. Voting for insane things. And um, I don't even know, I don't even know what they do in New York. I'm flummoxed. I'm flummoxed. Rats and sodomy. Well, Sophie's choice. I guess she made it.

I guess she had to choose between two things that she loves. And I guess I wasn't part of that equation. She chose between a city of liberal idiots and her mother. And the liberal idiots won. Is that fine with you? Well, I thought Sophie's choice was supposed to be hard and you were supposed to not choose the thing that you hated, but that's fine. You did hate that at one point, didn't you?

So Shannon talks about how she hasn't gone on a date in a year, I guess she's not including any of Love Island or Love Hotel, because she went on some dates. I got a text. People don't realize that I actually had a relationship with a young man named Nicholas and they called us Nicola Shannon. And people were really obsessed with us. I only dated him because I thought he was Captain Sandy.

So awkward. He made me many pancakes, which of course I could not eat because too many carbs. But I appreciated the sentiment and I just would throw them down at the beach and hope it would hit a slut. I'm not sure if they did. But anyway, I loved being on Love Island. Then I went to my hotel. I think they did a slight, but they did so. Okay, so she's like, I have made myself very, very vulnerable.

I even had a anniversary drink for myself to celebrate how strong I became one year after my DUI. So, that's nice. That's still the weirdest shit that's happened this year. Shannon toasting herself for her DUI a year before. It's so weird. And, you know, Love Hotel is coming out. So, you know, I've made a lot of male friends.

So if I have an event to go to, I've asked a few of them, will you go with me? And they all said, sorry, I live in Maryland. I said, well, that's just a small detail. If you really liked me, you would come out here. And then they said no. And so what I did was I painted a little rock and I named it Ace. And now I pretend like I'm in a relationship with someone and we're in a relationship called Charlize. So it's fun. in a relationship called Shalice. So it's fun. It's fun.

So her kid's like, oh, what does that mean, mom? Like you're dating a mailman now? Well, gotta work. So then we go to Shane sitting in a car and he's picking up Emily and Emily's like, oh my God, Shane, at least you didn't drive away this time when I was trying to get in like you usually do. That is so same.

I go up, press the gas. Oh, okay. Just walk up a little more, honey. I'm just like, ah, just kidding. Just hit the gas again. Listen, you can't spell snark has them without car. Am I right? So she's like,

sarcasm. Honk honk. It's like, oh my God, it's, it's so hot in here. I can't believe it. It might be the burrito you're, you're wearing as a purse. Well, that too, but geez, how do I make the thing work? It's like honey, it's an air vent. They've worked the same for 50 years. Are you sure about that? Can I put a taco in it?

You know, look, this guy's still an asshole. Okay. I don't care what anybody says. He's still an asshole, but I kind of get his point. I mean, Emily is just too much. It's like, Oh my God, how do you even make the air work? How does the air work in here? I can't even get these things open. I know, it's a bit much.

Oh, I have an update, which is that on the last Orange County episode, I said something like I thought Kelly Dodd had said, like, I look funny, more like funny looking. And Kelly Dodd never said that. That was Princesses Long Island. And I just conflated Kelly Dodd saying that, because it just seems like something Kelly Dodd would say. But it was actually a quote from Princess Love Island.

Princess Long Island. So thank you. I'm actually shocked that Kelly Dodd didn't say that, because I would guess that in a trivia that I would attribute that to Kelly Dodd. Yeah, you're funny. Funny looking. That makes sense.

Oh my God, she called me funny looking. Ah, help me. So Emily starts talking, talking, starts talking about Luke and she's saying that Luke has really declined over the past week because they went to the movies and then he like took out the, like the phone flashlight and was inspecting every fry before he ate it. And then he didn't want to go to school and he was being like really, really difficult and she had to like get him dressed and she had to do everything.

Um, and she's just saying like, you know, it's a struggle and as a mother, the decline really breaks my heart and she's like, well, I don't know why you keep saying as a mother, I'm a parent too, you know? She's like, yeah, but like it's easy for you to say it cause it's a nice little man. He'll be fine. So she's fine. Then as a, as a goblin, how do you feel? I mean, Jesus, Shane, as a king of snark hasm, how do you feel about it? And basically he's like, you know, my approach is I just want to make him feel like all of this is normal. And he's not like standing out or being weird in any kind of way, you know? And then she just doesn't work like that, you know?

And, you know, I'm not here to like mom shame someone and tell someone what they can and how to deal with it. I don't know. I mean, I would imagine that's what she's describing sounds like it would freak me out as a parent too. You know, you're throwing all these hurdles and I don't know the best way to deal with it. So I'm not gonna judge what she's doing.

I don't love that eating disorder stuff, bringing it up on TV, because that kid's gotta go to school. Like these people, you know, it's like you're just giving kids ammunition. And I don't know, I don't know where the line is, like what you're allowed to bring up with your kids and what you're not allowed to bring up. But it seems like something like eating disordered stuff should be something that the kids should be able to bring up in their own time if they want to. I don't know that that's, it just makes me uncomfortable with Emily doing that. I don't like it. But of course, I don't really like that's, it just makes me uncomfortable with Emily doing that. I don't like it.

But of course, I don't really like Emily either. So this just adds kind of onto that. I think it's a fair point. It's a fair point. Like for me, I was responding to the idea that there are probably other parents out there that probably are taking great comfort in seeing a similar story on TV. But I also think for the child, yeah,

they do have to go to school. And like children are terrible. And they often have terrible parents. And so their parents will probably be like, well, you know, he has an armpit. And then the kids are going to go taunt him. I don't know. I don't know what's right.

Yeah. Like, it's already feeling weird, you know? And so to like, put this out there and put this on TV, it just feels gross to me. So I mean, I kind of get where Shane's coming from as the dad, where he's like, well, like if your kid is going through this extreme emotional stuff, maybe the best thing to do

is not to overreact in front of the kid constantly. Like maybe, but again, I'm not a parent, so I don't really know, but it's making me feel a little queasy with Emily's choice. Yeah, so then we go to Jen's house, and Kitty and Matt come over. And Kitty says, last year, Matt was really hesitant to get to know Ryan because of all the allegations surrounding the FBI and just seemed so salacious.

But now having gone to know Ryan, there's really nothing to hate about him, except maybe his fashion. That's really rough, even to this day. I mean, now basically what we know about Ryan is that he knows how to get away with crimes. And that made me at Matt much more comfortable. So, so, um, so there, Jen's telling everyone about how they're sitting outside and she's like saying

how everyone piled on Katie at the golden door. And Matt's like, I mean, who are these people that think they can just sit on a moral tower of judgment? Let's roll the clip again of Matt steering clear of Ryan because of the association with the crime. I think that was too soon to the clip we just saw of you, Matt, okay? Yeah, let's create some separation. Listen, I totally support him trying to steer clear of Ryan.

I'd be like, look, this guy's involved in some, yeah, there's like an organized criminal over here. I'm gonna stay clear. I'm a public person on a very important golf channel. So I don't wanna be in the mix with this. I support that 100%. But it is funny because he was sort of morally indignant and now he's like,

who are all these morally indignant people? Yeah. So then we go to Tamara's house and she's getting renovations done. We had a problem with the sink overflowing. I'm not sure what the hell happened in that house, but it doesn't look like an overflowing sink. I mean, what the hell? The whole place is being excavated.

It's like a housewife second season. It's like, do my whole thing. Do everything. I don't want you to rock my thing. Is this Lynn Curtin's face? So I was like, I'm stepping on Lynn's nose right now. So Heather comes over. She's like, oh, are you doing construction again?

She says that in this judgy way, as if we didn't just sit and watch Heather just like tear a mansion down to its studs, almost for fun. And now is planning on abandoning it. Oh really, construction again. How interesting. Is Drake next door? Are you trying to show off for him?

No, that's just me. I see. Drake. So they go sit up in Tamara's bedroom to Kiki. Oh, and Heather also reminds us that she's super cool, Heather. Now I've brought onion rings. Do you remember when people were upset because I wouldn't let Terry eat onion rings at his own barbecue. Well, here they are. Onion rings. They're my thing now. Shamps and onion rings isn't this hilarious America. I'm like, Heather, you need a new prop. Those are from like your first go around on Orange County. Like just,

I, at this point, I don't care. Just find an object, do mad libs, find an object and talk about it a lot and make that your new thing. Because the onion rings and the shamps has been played out. She tries so hard to be iconic every season and it cracks me up. She's like, Oh, and you know, now I have shamps, but I can't leave it on. I can't leave a ring here because you remember last year I spilled espresso martinis. Hold on. Do you remember when I broke the worldwide web? That's what they call it. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha need a plate. Ha ha ha ha ha. I am cool. I am down with the people.

So there is a coaster that's there that says, Don't stay in my table, dish bag. Oh, my God. That is so funny. I love how sincere I am right now saying that this coaster is funny. This is a very funny, because it's it. Tacky piece of shit. So she goes, that's a lot in your mouth. And Tamra's like, that's a lot in your mouth. Yeah, that's what she said.

Ha ha ha ha. It's a good one. Anyways, I hung out with Gretchen the other day. Oh God. And then here we go, a flashback of Heather and Gretchen hugging and Heather saying, Oh my God, we match. Oh my God, I have the same dress I die. And I just want to remind you that you did not get that role on Hot in Cleveland. That was me. Okay. Just wonder, or was it Malibu country? Either way, you are not booked and blessed.

Look at us. We have the same looking dress except except the double C's on mine don't wash off. It's that fun. Oh, we were just laughing, me and Gretchen, about, you know, stuff we used to do. You know, all that stuff I used to do with Gretchen. Do you remember? I don't either. Did it involve onion rings? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha I'm going to go and hang out with Reba McIntyre on her hit show Malibu Country while Gretchen would sit there and listen to me and wait and say things like, Oh, Aunt Heather, tell me another story about that superstar Reba McIntyre that I did not get to work with because

I did not land that role. Wow. We knew each other at one time when she tried to steal my career. And then it had been what, 12, 14 years? I don't know, something like that. And since then we've kept in touch. Way to sell it, Heather.

We have seen each other socially. For instance, when I have run into her as she is buying things at Goodwill and I am donating things. So it's been really wonderful seeing her again. You know that she'll come get things out of your car. You don't need to take it out yourself. Just open the trunk and she'll get it out herself.

She apparently has been serving the country as part of the Salvation Army, so I'm so proud of her. I always thought she would be good in the Army because she basically blends into anything. She's just two eyes. You could just put her up against a wall. She looks like a forest owl, and I mean that in the... in the kindest way. Or an owl, specifically. And so Tamra's the kindest way. Or an owl specifically.

And so Tam is like, does she even have a nose? She says, yes, she has a nose. Because on Instagram it looks like a nose. It knows her nose is blurred. And then we see pictures of Gretchen on Instagram. And they are those pictures are hilarious. I mean, she does take off her entire nose. She even does it for her daughter. Her daughter is just like a little marshmallow with curly hair on top. She really needs to lay off the face tune. If there's anything she takes away

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