Watch What Crappens - #2934 RHOC S19E02 Part 2: Hot Pot, Meet Kettle

Episode Date: July 18, 2025

This is part 2 of 2Gretchen returns to Real Housewives of Orange County to remind Tamra that she’s a monster and Katie tries to make things better at a Hot Pot event where she’s basically cooked. You can watch this recap on video, listen to our Love Island bonus episodes, and participate in live episode threads at patreon.com/watchwhatcrappens.  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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If you're like, hey, wait a minute, I didn't hear part one, guys, it's because we put out a lot of recaps. Go back and listen to part one. OK, it's before this one. Bye. Enjoy the show. So then speak of the speak of the devil. However, however, however, here comes Gretchen strolling up to Jen's house.

I bet you never thought you'd see me again, but here I am in all my glory. It's been 11 years since I've been sitting on this chair and I would say I look like I've been frozen in time, right? Ha ha ha ha. No plastic surgery, not even these suckers. Gretchen, nobody believes that. Do you? Do you believe it? Well, my first thought was she's definitely had plastic surgery,

but now I'm thinking that maybe she's not had plastic surgery, she's just had injections and things like that. Oh, maybe, she looks great, whatever you're doing, but I don't know, because they show a montage of her face, you know, it's like, new face, new face, and she does have the same exact face. So, I mean, she really does. You have to have plastic surgery, right? God doesn't love anybody that, I mean, don't tell me the prayer works that well, because I'll have to start going to church and it's still Revelations month. I think that she probably has had injections.

She probably got her teeth fixed a little bit or whatever. You know, when you change your teeth, it does actually change your face a bit. So I think that like- Oh, I know. I watched the McBee dynasty. I'm so sorry. So Jen is like, she's like, yeah, I met Gretchen when I'm still going through so much with Tamara.

So I slid into Gretchen's DMs and all I had to say was Tamara has SOS and I got a call right away. So, I mean, obviously by the way, everyone slides into everyone's DMs. That's, that's the lesson here. And as I pointed out last week on an episode for all this talk about like, I can't believe you're talking to the bloggers and the podcasters. Tamara is part of that ecosystem. She is part of it and she's contributing to it.

Let's not forget that. Yes. And yeah, didn't she just have like a thing where she was accused of running reality blurb or something like that. And then she had a big fit on, she had a big fit about it. I mean, I don't, she was threatening to sue people and then people were deleting stuff.

And she was getting in all sorts of blogger wars this past year. So Gretchen tells us, she's like, yeah, you know, whenever there's a new housewife on this show, they all call me. Talk about Tamara. Because Tamara's a monster. She's evil. She really, I mean, this really is like George R.R. Martin of some, this is some, this is simple. Like, I'm just imagining Gretchen as like the elder in like, she lives in a tree,

a giant tree and they have to come up to her like the bow down and like make an offering and like, please, please wise Gretchen goddess, please tell us how do we, how do we go up against him? It takes a special hero, a generational hero that can do it. May the blessings of Newport Beach be with you. They're escorted out of the tree. Oh, so they catch up on kids and Gretchen is like, Oh, yeah, Skylar has chickens at school.

She like loves chickens, you guys. They call her the chicken whisperer. And her daughter is five and a half and rides dirt bikes and they're gonna build a coop. So yeah, don't like lean onto the show because that could be bad news. So Gretchen is like, Slade and I never got married,

but like we are like more in love than we were like 18 years ago. We were, what was it like? We're like curtain goldie Hawn, right? The irony of these women saying, claiming that they have a fake, we have a fake relationship when all those women have gotten divorced since then.

So then we see flashbacks of Gretchen and Slade skeptics like Vicki and then we see the Vicki and Don lasted from 94 to 2014. Tamara, Shian Simon lasted from 98 to 2011. And Alexis, 2003 to 2018 with Jim. It's a fair point, it's a funny point. But I also want to point out Vicky and Brooke, Vicky and Don lasted 20 years.

Tamara and Simon lasted 13 years. Alexis lasted 15 years. I hate to break it to you, babe. You're at the 12 year mark. You're right in the danger zone. Like, yes, you have lasted. And I have to say that does take away some skepticism, but also, like, I don't know, you are you have you're not out of the clear just yet. Yeah, I agree with you. And also, this didn't really exonerate Gretchen, because she's like, Yeah, you know, like, Vicky even said stuff. really exonerate Gretchen because she's like, yeah, you know, like Vicki even said stuff.

And then they show Vicki and Vicki's like, well, you know, I'm just saying that, you know, your whole engagement, having a helicopter and a song, I mean, you just obviously did that for TV. And it's like Vicki divorced from Tom. Yeah, but Vicki was correct. They never got married. That was a fake engagement for TV. So I don't know what you think you're proving with this, but not much. Still fun to have you back.

Yep. So Jen, Jen saying, yeah, well, I mean, the other day they were just like coming for Katie. They're saying like, you're unsafe. You're coming for our families. You're dangerous. Which makes zero sense. And Jen saying that's just so frustrating that Katie's been held to this different standard than all the other girls. You know, I mean, it comes back to the fact that these girls are afraid of Katie. They're afraid of her. They are so scared of her. And I just want to tell those girls, thank you for having me to lunch. Thank you so much. It's just so nice to be here.

This was wonderful. Delicious food. Slade's like, the question is like, I don't really want to have a relationship with this woman. And Thay goes, I mean, you're talking about Captain Evil. OK. All Slade's still in comedy, I see. All right. Let's just have another coup d'etat and just keep mind your own business. So we go back to Heather and Tamara's like, well, you know, the real problem is Jen.

Because Jen's reaching out to people that don't like me because she's insecure. You know, when I met Jen, she wanted my boobs. Now she's got my boobs. And I met Jen, she wanted my boobs. Now she's got my boobs. And then she got a house two doors down from me. Then she wanted my nostrils. And boom, she's got two nostrils on her. And then she lived by Simon.

And then she started going to Dr. Ambe. And then we went to the same hair salon and she said, I want to look like a crazy, crazy lady with bleached, burnt hair. And now she looks a crazy, crazy lady with bleached, burnt hair. And now she looks like a crazy blonde lady with bleached, burnt hair. Stalker! She's stalking me. Everybody wants to be me. I went to Vons the other day and I was like, hey, where'd the lean cuisine go? They said Jen just bought the last one. She's stealing my lean cuisines. She said that she literally went to the hair salon and had her old hair extensions put in her head. Tamara, no one is gonna ask to get you sandpaper

put back on their head. I saw those. Don't pretend that those didn't just expire the second they were taken off your head. Those were things were taken off your head and they turned to dust and fell to the ground. Tamara thinks she's making a case for single white female when all she's doing is making

a case for how generic her life is that someone could copy it so easily. Well, especially in Orange County. I mean, we both spent quite a bit of time in Orange County over our lives. You all look like that. You literally all look like that. You can't say that someone comes and gets boobs and, you know, Botox and bleaches their hair more and they're trying to be you.

They're trying to fit in an Orange County for Christ's sake. Yeah. Tamara thinking that she somehow is like a beacon of individuality down there. Like, look at me. She wanted, I have blonde hair. Now someone else has blonde hair in Orange County. It's like, wow, congratulations.

You all go to St. Trojan. She's even doing workout videos with her husband. This is blonde hair in Orange County. It's like, wow, congratulations. You all go to the same region. She's even doing work out videos with her husband. Like literally every thin person does that. Every blonde thin married person does that, but okay. Yeah, we've been watching these rituals since 2005 when Lugana Beach first arrived. Okay, none of you are doing anything original down there.

Okay, they went back to the same BMW dealership that Kristin Cavallari got her car from in high school Yeah last week I mean if anything I would argue that Jen was the first one to work out in a parking lot and then you lost your Gym and now you're left working out in a parking lot. It seems like you might be stalking her Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So then Tam is like what's next? Let me guess, you and Ryan are gonna start doing fitness videos together. She's saying this as if it's like, no one has ever done that ever before on social media,

especially not two fitness minded people. Yeah, she's literally a fitness place owner. So yeah, she's gonna do fitness. I can't believe that two people you met at a gym are now going off and doing gym content. Yeah. Yeah. So then she pulls out her phone.

She's like, oh yeah, well look at her, cause this is her when I met her. And I was expecting it to look like, I don't know. Heather Day. Who's the, no, no. I was expecting it to look like Agatha from Agatha All Along. You know what I mean?

Like someone totally different. Or like Roseanne in that movie where she was, Meryl Streep stole her husband. She devil, yeah. I was expecting it to be that, but it just looks like her. And Heather's like, she doesn't look that different. She's, oh, come on, her lips look like hot dogs now. And Heather's like, oh, well, okay.

Well, good point, but that's okay. Everyone has hot dog lips. We live in Orange County. Tana was like, okay, well, guess, look at this. Here's a full body one when she was a few pounds heavier. And how does oh, my God, don't show that to me. Do not show a single soul that person ever again. That photo is cursed.

She had a few extra pounds on her and no one should see that ever again. Burn it. Burn it in the fireplace. I'm going to pour champagne on it. Iconically, don in the fireplace. I'm gonna pour champagne on it, iconically. Don't tell Eddie, I'm gonna spill, I'm gonna destroy it. It is such a Heather response though. She's like, oh my God. Well, I mean, what I meant was that's okay. She looks different.

Good for her, good for her. God, she's come a long way. Shouldn't we be celebrating this? What do I do in this situation? I'm disgusted. Do I bring onion rings over here? Please don't tell Jen there are onion rings here. Burst down the door.

I can't believe Jen was heavy at one point. And it's like, by the way, also like them being like, she was heavy and she's just, she had like 10 extra pounds on her. I was like, wow, wow, look at her back then. Godzilla, am I right? And also Tamara sitting here trying to diss this woman and then she goes, and now look at her back then. Godzilla, am I right? And also Tamara's sitting here trying to diss this woman

and then she goes, and now look at her. And then it shows Jen with a fucking Barbie body looking amazing in a bikini, like leaning up against the thing. I'm like, are you supposed to be dissing her right now? Because you're, I kind of want to vote for her for mayor right now. Well, she's implying that like Jen wanted to get in shape

because I was in shape. Like, she saw me and she realized she could be in shape someday. Yeah. As if everyone in Orange County didn't also look like that too or try to look like that. You're like the eating rainbow of implants and diets. OK, Tamara, you did it.

You changed the future for many children. Heather is like, I don't know if Jen is trying to become Tamara. I mean, I would think there's far more interesting people to emulate. And I thought she's like, oh, probably. Like, in my mind, I was thinking, like, we're going to do a bit now about Heather would think

that she'd be a good one to emulate. But then Heather literally goes, um, hello, um, moi. So there we go. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Tamara. But last time I checked, Jane Jane leaves was copying my hairstyle. I guess we're not going to talk about that. So then we go back to Jen's and Gretchen's like, well, is there a way forward with Tamara?

And Jen's like, well, you know, I've just I've just seen too much. I don't know. But you know what? Can I support a healthy relationship? Sure, I can support that." And Gretchen's like, Well, I still get messages about what she's saying about me on a podcast. It's not very nice. And so she tells us that two years ago, Slade's son passed away from brain cancer. And there are all these articles calling Slade a deadbeat dad because of Tamara. And now she's on her podcast calling him a deadbeat dad.

The second he died, Tamra's on, we hear a clip from the podcast of Tamra being like, oh yeah, well I heard that the wife still had to start a go fund me because Slade wouldn't even pay for the funeral. Slade has never been a deadbeat dad and he just lost his son. And if you can't have a soul in that moment,

then you don't have a soul, sorry. I'm like, did you just meet Tamara? That soul, that soul is gone. That soul is long gone. That is someone walking barefoot because there are no souls happening there. So Gretchen, she's like, Gretchen's saying that Heather said that you have that you have to have grace on Tamara because she's going through a lot because of what Teddy's going through. And I said both people in our lives have passed

from cancer. So my life fiance and her son. So she brings up Jeff from her season one, which by the way, Tamra definitely did not have grace on Gretchen season one of the show because that's where that famous reunion happened where it was like the where Tamra came in gangbusters on Gretchen. We'd never seen anything like that on a reunion yet. I think it's been fantastic, bitch. Yeah, why don't they ever bring on the person who called Tamara late at night to tell her about Gretchen? I would like to know why.

They really dropped the ball on that, those producers. Yeah, really. It just happened in the first place. I don't know. I don't know. One way to find out, we're dredging up old stuff. So you never know what we're gonna find out this season. So Tamara's telling Heather,

So by the way, does Gretchen remember contacting my daughter? And so then we see that like Sydney had posted something that said like, The reason I don't live with my mother is because it's not because of my dad, it's because she is mentally and verbally abusive and not a mother to me. And Tamara's saying that like Gretchen started communicating with her that that is one of the lowest, most disgusting things you can do is involve somebody else's child. Oh, really?

Meanwhile, isn't it funny? Wait, if I remember correctly, was it last season, Tamara telling Emily, by the way, Katie's daughter, she was saying this about your kids. Bye. Yeah. Or going to Brianna to talk shit about Brooks or whatever. I mean, she's done this for years. Give me a fucking break. And also she's like, so what we find out about what really happened later. But I remember that post that Sydney made, that Facebook post. It was like a page long. It was really long. And she read Tamra for filth on that post. It was like a page long. It was really long. And she read Tamra for filth on that post. I will never forget it. Like to

me, that's like my Mark Twain. Like I have it. I have it on a bookshelf. It's like, that's why I have the monologues from these shows in books somewhere. But that was a classic. So she's trying to make it sound like, oh, and so Gretchen tried to be friend her whatever. So Gretchen did like- Gretchen did leave a comment. Gretchen left a comment that said- Gretchen commented, you have no idea how your brave words are helping so many

who have been wronged by your mother's manipulation and lies as well. Dun, dun, dun. Now, I'm gonna say this. I don't think Gretchen should have left that comment. I think Gretchen should have just like, let that be, it's like, don't get involved with a kid's messy Facebook post. Just keep on living your life. So like for sure, Gretchen should have just like let that be. It's like don't don't get involved with the kids.

Messy Facebook post. Just keep on living your life. So like for sure Gretchen was being messy in that moment. But maybe she thought that also like, well, I'm done with the show. Who cares? Let me be petty. Good for Gretchen being petty. Tamara's the worst. Tamara is the worst who ever been on any of these shows.

She is like the blueprint for the worst. So I support it. So Heather's like, well, when I joined this group, you guys were friends and Wendy Malek had a career. But aside from that, what would be cool is if you guys can put some shit aside and just have some fun. And Tamara's like, well, you'll see. But if you want to dwell on something for 12 years,

yeah, I ain't doing it, bitch. I'm like, you literally just did it. And you, I mean, you were just harping on Jen copying your bangs for crying out loud. You're a dweller, okay? You're a dweller. Yeah, and Heather's like, yeah, we shouldn't dwell on things from the past, you know?

I certainly don't want to remember the time when people were calling Wendy Malik, Wendy Bollock. Ha ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha ha. I hope she and Nancy Travis are having fun somewhere doing the things that out of work actresses do. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha So Gretchen's like, oh yeah, I hear rumbling. She's trying to be a new person and she's going to therapy. Well, I hope she changes. I knew, but she's a known liar and manipulator. And Brian's like, facts.

When's it gonna stop? Stop. Gretchen's here to get retribution and I love it. She's like ready. When? Gather, gather my people. We shall make our signs. We shall stop traffic.

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I can't keep my mouth shut. Travis is like, Oh, did you just learn this about yourself? So then Tamara's getting glam. They're basically like stuccoing her face, giving her a paint job. Like they're caulking her. They're caulking her. And Tamara's like, well, Gretchen's coming to everybody, but I'm at your energy.

If she wants to be nice, I'll be nice. She wants to apologize, I apologize. She wants to mess with some of these children. I'll tear her child limb from fucking limb. Bring it on, bitch. So then we see Jen and Gretchen in their SUV heading to lunch and Jen's like, well, there's always this like looming feeling of Tamra.

Like, do you think she'll, do you think you want to talk today? And Gretchen's like, well, there's actually a Bible verse about this, this is my favorite Bible verse. It goes like this, the Lord will fight for you, you need only to be still. Girl, that's how people get run over. Shut up with that favorite. No one's being so on this show either, by the way. Let's be honest.

Yeah. No one's being still except for their faces. Yeah. So then we go to a restaurant called Nice To Meet You for Hot Pot. And Emily is the first store And Emily is the last time this is the last day that restaurant was called that it changed his name promptly after a call to please stay away. Please don't return. So Emily gets her first so she's stuck with Katie. She's like, Oh, well, this is awkward. Oh, I want

to sit at the end. So I'm not going to be by you. I am at the end though. So you can sit opposite me and you'd still be at the end. No, the other, I just want to be at the other end. I don't want to be by you. No. Gina walks in and she's excited because this is a hot pot place.

So they have like hot pots embedded into the tables. It's like, you know, you can have like hot bubbling water in the table and she's like, Oh my God, I actually love this. You have a swimming pool in the table. Like that's awesome. Like a little private jacuzzi. We can cook our food in. You know what? This really, really improved the purchase price of this table. Well, everyone had like to announce that Sophie is home. She's lost five pounds and she is going to a bachelor party

because her generation still believes in love. But they did break up. Her and her boyfriend did break up. So that's too bad. And if you want to laugh, I'm not gonna tell her. Yeah, so then they do some cheers with Saki and Jen and Gretchen arrive hand in hand arm in arm. They're like, we're a team now. We're a team now. Me and you against the world. So Gretchen comes in and she's like, hi, damn right. Oh my

god. Hi, how are you? Maybe I should reintroduce myself. Hi Gretchen, I'm your worst fucking nightmare bitch. This definitely feels like a Tammer tactic. Pretend everything is great and then like make everyone laugh and then right before she strikes. Which is true. So Emily is saying how she met Gretchen at her 40th birthday back in 2016 and my friendship with Tammer did suffer when I was friendly with Gretchen because I didn't know that there

was a beef between the two of them. Well, we worked through it though, and I'm not gonna make that mistake again. You're such an ass kisser, Emily. Everybody knew there was a beef between them, and you're such an ass kisser that you're still gonna kiss Tamara's ass all these years later instead of thinking for yourself.

You were such a follower. How are these people still on the show? At least Gina's being entertaining. Yeah, so Emily basically ditched her friendship with Gretchen so that way she could get in with Tamara instead and is not to go back, which is real kind. So then Tamara is like, oh my God, you want to hear a funny story? Heather did something totally relatable. Oh, yes. Everyone gather around. Televisions, picture it. Televisions Heather Dubrow walks into the servants quarters somewhere in Orange County. Is it Tustin? Is it San Clemente? Who knows? It's not the rich part. She walks in with an expensive bottle of champagne.

And to show that she's relatable, she opens it up too fast, which is understandable because normally there are people that she employs to do this for her. And it gets all over an Ikea tabletop. It is hilarious. End of scene. We all remember what happened with the espresso martinis, am I right? Ah! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Drake, did you see that scene? No?

Zing. So they have to get sauces and stuff. So some people start getting up from the table. It's like Jen and Katie, that group. And so others like, do we all have to get up? Can I just stay with the people with money still? Okay, I'm gonna stay here. Excuse me, where is the bell?

So that way a poor person can bring me items from that bookcase over there. Thank you. I'm sorry, is there an Alfredo who works here? Could you just send him over to my table? That would be great. Did they receive the flatware that I sent over to the restaurant ahead of time?

No? That would be great. Did they receive the flatware that I sent over to the restaurant ahead of time? So Shannon is with, Shannon's, you know, looking at the food and she goes, Oh, Gina, there's a ball combination. Oh, oh, did I make a ball joke? I just did everybody. It's funny. It's funny. You know, being on being on love hotel, I, you know, I just, I'm a funny, It's funny. You know being on Being on love hotel. I you know, I just I'm a funny funny person now

People sometimes call me Shania papaya You can use that if you want so Katie's like she's like well everyone I appreciate you all coming and I want to start fresh I think a lot of things happen last year that I'm regretful for I just want to be better You know what? I do appreciate the fact that you say you have a regret because now everything you do, I'm just questioning it. Like this thing between you and Tamara and this blogger, I mean, it's not.

Oh, well, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I'm the good person again, if you'll believe it. I got a therapy now. So Katie came to my house and she explained everything and she owned up to it. And Katie's like, okay, everybody, I did call her Instagram. So I was kind of lying, but technically I wasn't

because I didn't call her through a phone number. I called her through her Instagram. So it's very different. Yeah, yeah. And you know what? I said to this person, I said, Tamra's, you know, this person was saying, Tamra's running to sue me. And I said, this is, I said, Tamra's, you know, she, this person was saying Tamra's running to sue me.

And I said, this is not good because Tamra is emotional. She's a monster. She'll take you down if she wants to. My words, not hers. And you know, you've got to take down that post. You have to do this. I was trying to save her, you know, and thank you for being honest with me. Thank you, patch.

Yeah, but it's still upsetting to me because you don't even remember an entire conversation with this person that created a huge problem here. Like how does that even happen? And also for you Shannon, honestly, Shannon, sorry, I'm really upset with you too because like at the Golden Door, you were totally making it like we're ganging up on Keity. And you know, I was just trying to get to the bottom of all of these, so. It's not about the subject matter.

It's about every single person at the table going after one person, okay? One person. You can't do that. Yeah, I mean, you're making it like we're bullying her and we're not bullying her. She's done things to all of us, including you, including me.

Like she ruined my life. Does anybody remember? She like ruined it. It was hard, it was really bad. I felt really bad. You know what, Tamara just told me last year that she recorded you at a gallery shoot and then sent the video to Alexis.

Yeah. So here goes Gina. First of all, Gina distorted the story. Tamara said that she recorded it and then she showed Alexis, I'm assuming a man like right there. I don't know. I don't know what it was, but she says she showed Alexis, but now she's saying that she sent it to Alexis and also you don't know the details and you're spreading gossip that wasn't yours to spread in the first place and you're being messy and you don't have all your facts right and Chad's like wait what

what what what there is no video that I recorded of Shannon outside of Instagram so Tamra's like you actually told me and Gina's like yeah this is coming from Tamra and we all trust Tamra I mean Tamra's always honest you, me and Alexis and Katie were coming back from a Mother's Day lunch, and we happened to talk about Shannon being nasty to people, and Katie brought it up and she told me the whole story. Alexis had already heard it, and it was left there. Never thought about it again until recently. And then she smirks.

She's so crafty. It's so funny, you're so crafty. It's so funny. And it works so well. I mean, why isn't Shannon like, OK, well, that was an embarrassing moment for me when I lost my shit. Instead, it's just Shannon falls right for it. You know, she's like, OK, I hate Katie now.

So, Tamara's like, well, evidently you were on the phone with somebody, Katie. And she goes, yeah, I was on the phone with my business partners. And Shannon, you came in and you were screaming and I recorded on a voice note and I sent it to Matt, my husband, and she goes, oh, Katie, why would you speak to Alexis when I'm in active litigation with her fiance? How can, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how?

Are you kidding? I'm really, why am I drowning breathing into this paper bag? That's a hot pot. It's very hot. It's very, very hot. Are you fucking kidding me? Katie was sitting right next to me in Sonoma.

She's sitting hot just like I was. Now she's recording me. And then we see footage of her in that bathrobe at that spa place being like, I, I, I, John Jansen, I, I, I, I, I, I, I. So Katie's like, she's like, no one has listened to what to that except my husband. And then I was like, but why would Alexis know about it? And Katie's like, well, we discussed it with Alexis. I mean, uh, Emily,

were you not listening to the story that Tamara just said that three of them are talking about it together after coming back from some dinner or whatever? Like that's, I don't know. Honestly, I don't even think it's a big deal that Alexis already knew about it. Like, I mean it's shitty if Katie sent her the video, but also don't act crazy. Don't act crazy in a group setting and then be surprised when someone has taken a video of you. Well, but it's also another thing they're all mad at that never came to

fruition. You know, it's like last year, oh, well Shannon dug up all this dirt about Gina throwing her husband down the stairs or whatever that, that was the big like last year. Oh, well, Shannon dug up all this dirt about Gina throwing her husband down the stairs or whatever that, that was the big thing last year. Yeah, but Shannon never used that information. So why are you guys using it against her? Like if she'd gotten that information and used it against you, that would be one thing. So like if Katie took this information,

she gave it to Alexis, Alexis showed up to court with these videos of you acting erratic. Okay, you can be mad, but this wasn't even you. So if she did videotape it and she had bad intent, she decided not to go through with her bad intent. So doesn't that make her a good person? Mm hmm. I don't know. I don't know. I think it's just I think it's ridiculous. I think Tamara has played everyone like a fiddle

here and they don't realize it. Yeah, so Tam is like, but now he's dragging now Katie's dragging Jen into it. So Katie goes, well, we discussed it with Alexis and pointed Jen and Jen goes, wait, we? She goes, yeah, you know, remember when we sat at that drink things? And Jen's like, no, I mean, I've never, I don't know. I've never heard any of this.

And Gina's like, yes, you did. You did know about it. She goes, no, I didn't. And Heather's like, she just said you were there, Jen. She just said you were there. Are you this stupid? Jen, thank you so much. Thank you so much for highlighting that for me. I just don't know why Katie's doing this. It's just not fair. And I really wish my friend would start answering for herself. So I'll answer for her. So Katie's like, look, we were talking to an investor and I was upset that I had to jump off the call. And I was telling Matt,

this is what's going on right now. No, you weren't calling Matt to say what's going on. You were saying, you could listen verbatim. It's like, yeah. Yeah, but you were also acting like an asshole when she's on a business call at work. So that's on you. Yeah, and that's being late. And you know what?

So Katie tells us, at the time I was pissed, it was supposed to be a fun day for all of us. And instead we had to hear Shannon yelling. I'm like, I kind of wish Katie just actually said that. Like, it was supposed to be a fun day for all of us. And instead we had to hear Shannon yelling. I'm like, I kind of wish Katie just actually said that. Like, it was supposed to be a fun day and you ruined it. And I recorded it to show Matt, to show you melting down. And we were laughing. She needs to stop being so weak in these situations and kowtowing to everybody and saying, yeah, I recorded it because you were acting so fucking ridiculous. I had to show my husband how ridiculous you get because he never believed me. And

you were acting like a psycho and I showed it to him. I'm sorry, but I'm acting like a psycho. I never gave this to Alexis. This was never used against you in court. What are you being so dramatic about? If anything, you should apologize to all of us for ruining our day again. I actually feel like this is a moment where she could have learned something from someone who's similarly new, like Bronwyn, because I think Bronwyn would have actually said all those things. She would have been like, actually, I was listening and I was making fun of you. Because you were acting like an idiot.

And my husband and I have a relationship where we make fun of people who act like idiots. Anything else? Yeah. So, um, Katie, but instead to Shanna, she just said, apologize us, right? And then, um, Gretchen's like, wait a minute, how did you know Emily? And Emily's like, Tamara told me. So Gretchen's just like, oh my God. Of course, Tamara's always the one holding the information. Like, of course it's Tamara again. So she goes, okay, so Tamara, you talked with Alexis, then why did that even get brought up?

And she's like, because obviously Alexis and Shannon don't get along. And she said, I heard she was freaking out at the green screen. And she was like, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I need to step away. I need to step away. There are sauces over there. There are sauces. I need to process. I just learned that some of these celery pieces are not organic. So I'm going to go now. So then, well, she steps away.

And Shannon's talking to Heather. And she's like, I am floored. We have to cook for ourselves. Did you know this? I am also upset. This is what servants are for. Do you understand what it feels like to video you when I don't remember what I said?

Do you know what it's like? Well, here's what I'll say what it is, unconscionable that someone would video me and it wouldn't go into my IMDB. I mean, what's even the point? Oh my God, Shannon, you were unconscionable? It's not what you think it means. Just be quiet, Gina.

So Gina's like, Katie, we're not trying to hurt you. So there's no need to try and hurt us in that wing. You know what? I did some fucked up shit and I regret doing that. You know what I miss the most? Talking and laughing and hanging with Gina. Gina's like, Oh my God, thank you for saying that. You know, cause like, you know what, Katie, that's why I hold on to because I genuinely liked you, which is why I threw you under the bus last year. And again today. So she's like, yeah, okay. Thank you for the apology. I like you, which is why I threw you under the bus last year. And again today. So she's like, yeah, okay, thank you for the apology.

I like you again. We're friends. And Shannon's like, I have, I've reached my limit. And I think the best thing for me to do is to remove myself and scream at some producers in the parking lots. Excuse me. I will be processing. Do not videotape this. And furthermore, restaurant, it was not nice to meet you. Oh, I gave Katie a gift, giving her advice to get to a different place with the women in this group. And this is what she does to me.

It is pure evil betrayal. I'm like, literally the amount of times that Tamara has been so evil to you, Shannon, and like over 10 years and you just took her back over and over and over again. And now here's something that you're finding out through your nemesis, Tamara, who you know is actively trying to hurt you. And you take it on face value, and then you're gonna be like,

oh, Katie's the evil one here. I'm not following. You can't use this like, oh, you just helped Katie this episode and stood up for her, but this happened a long time ago. So you can't use the thing you did recently to negate the thing that happened a long time ago. You know what I mean?

She didn't take what you just did for her and betray you. That happened a lot. There are two different timelines, Shannon. So Jen's like, oh, I thought we were moving forward, but you guys have her ass over the fire. And Emily's like, Jen, oh, she's done things to us. Nobody at this table is done to each other. Like gave my information about my kids to a blogger, unlike me, who just went and dug up court documents and anything else I could use to publicly humiliate a woman in an abusive relationship

for how she lost her children. I can't believe you gave information to a podcaster who has a platform that's nicely sized versus me who dug up stuff on a national level where everyone was watching. Millions of viewers. Yes. So then Heather, Katie's like, I did not give them information.

Heather starts doing this thing with her finger. She starts like circling her finger, like she's gonna conjure up like a little tornado in front of her. And she goes, Everyone has done things that other people are agree are not okay. For instance, Jean Triple Horn don't like her choices. And Tamera's like, Oh, move on Gretchen. I don't even talk about you. She was a few years ago. You were talking about me. And she goes, Oh, God, what did I even say? She says, you said Slade was a piece of shit

and he was a deadbeat dad. And Tamara's like, well, was he? Because I mean, listen, Gretchen, you can stand up for Slade all you want to and you can get all self-righteous about Slade, but I don't remember any of that news back then about Slade and his kid being good, okay? Now, was it right for Tamara to go get on Slade

the second after his son died? No, that was gross. But the stuff leading up to it, I don't know. I mean, I think that was kind of like backed up by the wife, right? I mean, it's not like that was coming out of, I mean, I'm just saying get off your soap box Gretchen. Like, get on, Slade is kind of a douche bag. So come on.

Slade is a douche bag. He always has been. So Gretchen's like, what's the one, what's one of the first things that comes up on Google when you, when you search Slade Smiley? Yeah, it's that. And I of course then went to Google and that was actually, did not even show up on any of the results that, uh, that was not a suggestion at all. Um, I, I don't remember what did show up. I'm just assuming douchebag, um, lame. Why is he back with us? But Tamara's like, well, why is she still concerned with Slade's death, whether Slade's a deadbeat dad or not? It's been 15 years.

Here's what comes up. Who are you trying to, who are you trying to convince, Cratchen? Slade Smiley Networth, Slade Smiley Kids, Son and Joe, Networth 2025, Son Grayson, Wikipedia, Age, and Slade Smiley. Bless you, Ben. Thank you. Thank you. I also like Tamara saying like, why is she concerned with whether or not Slade's a deadbeat dad after she's just like,

well, is he a deadbeat bad dad? And then when Gretchen's like wants to defend Slade, she's like, wow, why are you so concerned? It's because you always bring it up, Tamara. That's why. But I like that Gretchen hasn't even been on this show for years and has been rehabbing her image or doing whatever she's doing. And the first thing she does is come back on the show

and remind us that Slade's a deadbeat dad 20 times in a row. Yeah. Gretchen's like, You're the one who's been proven to be a liar. You were sued for being a liar. And you almost got sued again by Ryan. She's like, okay, well, you know, I did, I misspoke and I apologize for that batch. John's like, well,

thank you so much for that. But a lot of this pain that all of us have felt was hard. You're going to roll your eyes. You're going to roll your eyes without Tamra. Thank you so much for rolling your eyes. It shows that you were listening to me. Yeah. Cause by the way, her apology was, I misspoke, but then she's like, okay, everybody. But I said that Ryan had a lawsuit. I just meant that Ryan maybe business wasn't it? Am I doing this right, everybody? So I don't get sued. Yeah, we all saw that Tamara.

Tamara was so ridiculous. So Tamara's like, oh yeah, you think Gretchen's crystal clean? She contacted my fucking daughter. I want the rings, I got the rings. Gretchen leans forward with like a half smile on her face and she's so calm and she goes, I did not contact your daughter, Tamara. I commented.

It's the same thing. No, it's not. It's not the same thing. And it was just, there was something about her like not falling for the bait, not getting activated, not just being like, I know what you're trying to do and you're not gonna to do it. And Tamara starts to lose her mind. She's like, okay, evil, you're evil. She's like, you really want to play this game? Because it's not the same thing. I made a comment on the public Facebook post that your daughter made. My ex has been made that post.

No, this is what you always do. You blame it on someone else. Your daughter even came out after you said that and said, my mother's lying. This is my account. I made the post. I mean, Gretchen was like ready. I was just taking her down. She was so ready. They even put the whole quote up there that the daughter said and Tamera goes, that's not true. Which, uh, sorry, but the editors hate you. And yes, it is true. And Gretchen's like, yeah, well that's what she did.

And I have all the proof so you can spend your little lives and do your manipulation things like you always do. Cause you're a, you're liar beyond liars. So I liked that Gretchen came back with proof, but Gretchen did not come back with a better command of language, which also makes it fun. It was, it was good enough for me because I felt like Gretchen just had Tamara, just like she just had her there.

She just had the tractor beam on her and was just destroying her in this moment. And Jen's like, yeah, you feel like you want to take accountability for any of this? Do you want to take any of this? Do you want any accountability for this, Tamara? Thank you so much for listening to my requests. I was like, yeah, I would take accountability for whatever I've done. Yeah. So Tamara's like, I thought we were listening to my requests. I was like, how would I take accountability for whatever I've done? Yeah. So Tamara's like, I thought we were going to move forward.

And Gretchen's like, why would you think that? And she's like, okay, then we're not moving forward. And she's like, well, I didn't say we couldn't move forward. I just said, why would you think that we couldn't move forward? And Tamara's like, okay, then I don't have to be around to them. That's on me, bitch. This bitch has been going after me for years. 12 years, you've been going after me for years. 12 years he's been going after me.

Well, who started it? You. And you've been coming after her for all these years. She hasn't been coming after you. She doesn't have a platform to come after you. You're the one still on your platform talking shit about her all these years. It's just so funny,

because Tamara is really, really masterful at twisting and turning. And like this whole, like you whole like you were you were communicating with my daughter the way she made it sound was like oh she called my daughter up became friends with her try to know she commented on a post but that's so Tamra and so that she had all of her evidence and she's just shooting Tamra down it's very good I mean it's good that we're finally seeing a worthy adversary and I can't believe it's Gretchen of all people yeah because Gretchen's all people. Yeah, because Gretchen's been practicing, she's been waiting.

Gretchen's like, it's the same old camera, same old pony dance, what's it called again? They're like dog and pony show. Yeah, same dog and pony show, there you go, I knew there was a bitch involved, ha! So Heather's like, you need to talk. Yeah, it seems like there's like a lot of her on both sides and like maybe there's a way to move forward Yeah, I'm the great equalizer Wait everybody not all is lost. I've got a hard-boiled egg in my purse Wait, it's not hard-boiled it's leaking. Oh my gosh

Yeah, the episode ends with Gretchen and Tamara agreeing that they're gonna meet and they're gonna try to both take accountability and move forward. And Emily has cracked an egg in her purse because she thought it was a hard boiled egg that she was gonna take for later. She thought she was being funny, plucking the hot pot egg she thought was a hard boiled egg

and putting it in her purse like, like the animal that she is. Food in her purse. That's what makes her relatable to the people. So she's got to keep it. She hit gold with that burrito and her or that subway sandwich in her purse in the steam room. And she's just going to do it now every five minutes. I was so happy for that egg. It's her Heather Dubrow onion ring. It is. So that was that. That was the big Gretchen return and the big Ronnie return.

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