Watch What Crappens - #2945 RHOC S19E03: Setting the Recording Straight

Episode Date: July 25, 2025

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I'm Ben Mandelker, joining me today in his beautiful rose colored glasses. Ronnie Karam. Hi Ronnie, how are you? Hello, how are you? How is the healing going? How's the bruising? Pretty good, I mean, still pretty bruised up. Hopefully, I think next week, no matter what,

I'm gonna stop wearing these glasses. But for now, I look like I'm wearing bruise eye makeup. You're in character for a role. So today we are talking about the one and only Orange County, starring Katie Janela, who I think is supposed to be maybe a villain, but for some reason, well, not for too hard of a reason. We're all rooting for her. I'm rooting for her, I should say.

I won't speak for you, but I'm like, I'm totally team Katie on the show. I'm not really rooting for her. I'm just rooting against the people who are trying to persecute her. I think her crimes are no worse than anyone else's on this show and I stand by it. Yeah, yeah. So why don't we get right into it, shall we?

Oh, we should do a reminder. Our next Amazon Live is going to be this Monday where we have an Amazon Live this Monday and it'll be the following Monday. And then when we're gonna ultimately settle into a schedule of one Monday will be a crapens on demand. The next one, not crapens on demand, a crapens, crappy hour. And then the other Monday will be Amazon lives. We'll alternate between them,

but we're sort of working with a funky little schedule here for the time being. But please come join us because we had way too much fun playing around on that thing. So that was great. That's gonna be at four o'clock on Monday. And then after that, we're actually gonna have a crappy hour at 5.30. So I should say those are both West Coast timings, obviously adjust for whichever time zone you are in.

Join us for both and we'll have a great afternoon. We're gonna have fun. And it's gonna be like, we're gonna be so different by Monday, because this weekend I'm going to see Beyonce and we're going to see together the Backstreet Boys in Las Vegas. It's a Las Vegas subafia. I forgot you're going to Cowboy Carter tomorrow.

Yes, tomorrow I'm going to cowboy my cowboy stuff already. I've been trying to grow my mustache or what. I don't even know what I'm getting my cowboy stuff already. I've been trying to grow my mustache or what. I don't even know what I'm gonna do. I don't know, I'm so excited. It's gonna be the gayest weekend of all time. Beyonce followed by the Backstreet Boys. I mean, that's some gay shit. I wanna fly there on a penis, okay?

You're gonna be exhausted. Two concerts in a row. I don't know how you're gonna, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, It's very unlike me. I can't imagine. Yeah're gonna, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I can't imagine. It's very unlike me. It's very unlike me in public spaces and all, but I'm going, I can't wait. Okay, so for now we have Read The Housewives

of Olmst County. We got our taglines. I don't think we got them yet, right? So I didn't put any, well, I guess we could just read them. I was going to play a game and say like, try to guess who they are, but it's not like they're it's not like they're fun. But I like doing it in their voices.

So what do you want to start with? You want to start? You want me to start? I'll start. No, you start. Okay. You start. No, you start.

I don't care. Okay. I'll start. But I don't know who this one. Oh, I think I know this was Jen. Yeah. Yeah. Yes Your games great by the way Life can be Was this Jen I'm not who it is before we guess yeah Life can be hard but like sir my abs. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for once

The only dogs in my life are golden retrievers Thank you so much for once the only dogs in my life are golden retrievers Heather saying I may not be your cup of tea No, bring you oh no, sorry why this game is tricky. You already lost a point. Okay, Ben lost a point I lost that point well because Heather has been doing the espresso martini thing But so has been Emily's also been they both have decided to get really into espresso martini is this season, right? But I guess Emily more. Okay. Sorry Let me redo. I may not be your cup of tea, but I'll bring you an espresso martini Yes, you got that one, correct? And also in this game for this actual clue

We are deciding this is why this person needs to finally get kicked off the show When your entire line is about liking an espresso martini I'm done with you Emily get Emily off this show. Okay next is I love life in the hills. So I always take the high road I own the high road I just want to say well,, that's obviously Heather Dubrow. I just also want to say we need to, before we go on to the next one, life can be hard, but so are my abs. Okay.

I think that's an okay one from Jen. I don't love it. I think she could do better for once. The only dogs in my life are golden retrievers. I think that's a decent one from Shannon. I may not be your cup of tea, but I'll bring you an espresso martini. That's a fail on Emily's front. And I think I love life in the hills. So I always take the high road. I actually like that one. Not that it's true,

but I think that's good like wordplay. Like I love life in the hills. I always take the high road. That's clever. I give clever points to that one. Okay. I may work in real estate, but that doesn't mean I'm buying what to that one. Okay. I may work in real estate, but that doesn't mean I'm buying what you're selling.

I think that's a great line. Has anybody bought what you're selling? Cause I don't know. Has Gina sold any houses yet? Do we know? I think there's some way to find out. My guess is no. I'm gonna say no,

but I think this is a great line cause it's a good word play. And I also believe that Gina is not buying anything. She's like, I can't afford that. Gina literally says this every time in a Marshall's, I'm not buying what you're selling. They're like, we know, you've been denied the credit card again.

Yeah, so I'm not buying what you sell. Okay, please leave, get out of the line then. Can I just get these jelly beans? No, you didn't get credit here. I'll pay cash. No, you're not gonna pay cash either. Your kid is running out. There's six children running out with jelly beans.

Get them. I feel mad. So then we have Katie's, which is, I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but my truth. But I don't know if you know about this. The original one was, I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but my truth and then apologize for my truth because I lied a little bit about my truth. And I also lied about the lie and the apology was

actually a second apology because I didn't actually fully tell the truth the second time. I wish that Katie's tagline was how dare you, I will come for you. And that was Shannons yelling at people backstage. I wanted to, I wanted to recording of Shannon. I want Katie's tagline to be, she left her grilled cheese. Yeah. It's like back in the day when they were just recorded actual snippets from the show instead of. Yeah. I would like that audio.

Yeah. I love that. That would have been good. She left her grilled cheese. So then is I'm taking a hard look in the mirror and my reflection is still hot. Bitch. How does house life in the Harts County? Bitch. Old. The bird. I love that they showed that bird who called Tamra old. That shit was funny. It was a good call back. I know.

So Katie and Gina start at the nail tech. Gina is in a sad sweatsuit. And- Also known as a standard Gina outfit. And some things are like two fanny packs sewn together over her chest. I don't know. Yeah, she looks... I think they're going to get some sort of scalp treatment, whatever it is.

I actually... This is the first thing in a long time where I'm like, I kind of would like to do that. Not that I have like a big head of hair, but I think I just want a big old head massage and this place looks like a great place to do it. Well, they had the head massage thing, you know, the little, the little thing that looks like the metal things, like the claw machine. Yeah, I love that. It also looks like Tamara's hand. So they're there for a deep clean of the scalp and Gina's like,

well, I'll tell you what they're going to find in me. So romantic, you know, they're going gonna find like a lot of old shampoo. So look at this where we just made up and we're already going for it. Already going for the like deep sea skill. Gina stop trying to rebrand your dandruff as dry shampoo. We know it's not dry shampoo, it's dandruff, okay? We get it. So Katie's like, I'll try anything these girls want to get them back on my side, even a super expensive spa day.

And she needs it. Yeah, and Gina's like, you know, I've accepted Katie's apology, but trust has to be built up over time, and she has to buy me a lot of things. That's really all it is. She just does. She just needs some free shit and then she'll be on your side again.

Yeah, that's how she is. That's how she became friends with Heather. So Katie is saying that she's on an apology tour and she's just really glad that you didn't bring Emily to sneak up on me this time. She's like, Oh yeah, sorry about that. So then we cut to Emily who is talking to her dog who's named after a fast food sandwich place, Togo. And she's like, Togo, go upstairs.

Mama's got a Togo in her purse. Oh, I'm a classic. She may also, the dog may be named after a country in Western Africa. You never know. Emily is a very worldly person, but probably only named that after a damn sandwich shop and we all know it or her favorite, uh, her favorite form of eating dinner to go, please. So uh, so it has been begging producers for as far as Emily's concerned now, for six years. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha She's she's with the audience. Yeah. Otherwise known as an audience dog.

OK. Yeah. This is a Nielsen dog. Would you please read it? So Tamra's like, I'm just so tired, tired from life. Life is just so hard. Yesterday pushed me over the edge. Over the edge. Yeah. Oh, God.

Life is so hard when you have to go to a free hot pot meal and get talked to by an angry blonde lady. So Emily's like, yeah, what did you think when Gretchen came in? I mean, I wanted to say you look like an episode of toddlers and diaries. I'm like, you realize you all look like that, right? You realize you all go to the same hairdresser, you all have the same hair, okay? Gretchen really does though.

I mean, Tamara's not wrong on that. And Emily's like, she's just really upset about your podcast. So we see a clip of Tamara showing the ladies a clip of, or playing a clip of her podcast where she was saying, Yeah, yeah, of course they lost the son that sad and stuff, but Michelle lost everything. Then Gretchen got a chunk of money and Michelle went through GoFundMe to pay for services. How fair is that? How fair is that? I don't think that's true. If that's true, that is not, that is in fact not fair at fucking all

that Slade would get to, you know, get away with this if that's true. I don't know if I love the sentence by Tamara. Well, yes, Slade lost a son, but Michelle lost everything. Like we're going to act. We're not going to act like a son as a pillow or like a coupon that was discarded. Like that's a major fucking deal, but I don't know enough about this situation. And I also, by the way,'t you saying about Michelle lost his son too? And she also lost everything because oh, he's not paying his child. He's not paid for anything for the son was the allegation Yeah, I don't know. I don't care I don't think Tamra should butted into it and I don't think that Tamra is like

I don't think that Tamra can be like, oh my god Here comes Gretchen again, complaining about the same things for this past decade when Tamara's the one inserting herself into something that she really should not be inserting herself into, because it's like, it deals with like real shit and not like, you know, petty, you know, reality star shit.

Yeah. Yeah. Agreed. You know, it's like a kid dying. Let's just like stay away from that. Yeah, I agree. And it's Tamara. Yeah. Like even if the, even if what she's saying is completely true and Slade is gross and all of that, the messenger is Tamara. So, you know, look in your own backyard, madame. Let them fight that battle. Okay.

You don't have to bring that into your two tees in a pod. So we cut back to the other ladies and Jean's like, Yeah, that wasn't right. It's like a joyous Facebook. And that was like really, really hard. I'm really, really hurt. Oh, she went to my dad's Facebook. She's a miner. She went to a miner's Facebook page.

And he's like, I didn't to a miner's Facebook page. Emily's like, I didn't know she worked in the mines. I thought mining was over and dead. Yeah, she did. She got black lung now. She did that. She commented on, she was just down there trying to find some rare metals.

And she's, and Gretchen's writing comments at a Facebook page. What did she comment? Stop coughing. We're trying to read. Did she say something like, why are you bringing a bird down there anyway? It's not a good place for canaries. I mean, look, there's there's like moments, you know, oh, because cameras like, oh, can

you imagine Katie doing that to Annabelle? But if Katie was texting with comments and Annabelle does. Okay. She wasn't a five year old minor. She was a like the 16 year old. She wasn't a five year old minor. She was a like the 16 year old. She wasn't that much of a minor. What would you feel? How would you feel that if she was texting your newborn baby?

I mean, I think whether she was a minor or not a minor, I actually don't think Gretchen should have written that comment either. I think it was just like Gretchen don't just don't be messy on the kids Facebook page. I just don't think Gretchen should have written that comment either. I think it was just like Gretchen, just don't be messy on the kids' Facebook page. Like just don't do that. Like you have so many better avenues for doing this. This is gonna be a losing battle no matter what. I think both of them, just Gretchen and Tamara are really out of control,

but I'm on Team Gretchen on this one, I have to say. Overall. Yeah, me too. So then Emily's like, well, you know, there's moments that can be fun and lighthearted. And she's like, yeah, but too. So then, um, Emily's like, well, you know, there's moments it can be fun and lighthearted. And she goes, yeah, but then I get teendops by Tim Witchen. That's Emily's way of saying like, well, to be fair, I have actually commented on several of my Facebook page. I just want to say, but I do it in the funny way. Gretchen didn't

do it in the funny way. I just want to say that in case anyone wants to drag out any comments that I've written. Yeah, true. So then we go back to the salon or whatever and or the spot and Jen's like, oh no, no, now we go to a restaurant. So Jen's going to go to a restaurant with Heather and I guess Shannon and Heather is dressed. It looks like they're in a pub and Heather comes dressed in like a glitter blazer. Like, are you going to the Oscars, ma'am?

Can you just have a casual lunch? I am wearing what the working people wear when they are off of their work and are no longer working and now are going to sit back and throw something back and they wear glitter to celebrate the end of a workday. Hard work it is. Feet are sore. Anyway, hello, barkeep. What does an espresso martini look like in these parts? Do you have gold leaf? Will there be diamonds on the side? A bump of caviar? Like wow, it's just Kahlua in the glass. Oh, and the waiters like, don't worry, there's no dairy in this one. It's purely dark. Oh, good, good, good. I will try the espresso martini in these parts.

I am such a Miranda, am I not? Oh God, I love being with my girlfriends. So Shannon walks in and she's, well everyone, I'm in leggings because I'm single. You wouldn't know it though, because I'm about to bring in a parade of Love Hotel alumni, ho! And then we find out that Katie has sent Shannon

an apology text. She's very, and she's hurting right now. She's hurting. And Gina's like, yeah, it's violating. I mean, it's bad, but she'll get over it, you know, with Shannon. Well everyone, here assembled at Ye Olde Benegans, well, she texted me Katie, that is, and it set me off. It set me straight off, because I told her not to say sorry.

But I said, just yesterday, I said, don't say sorry, but. Don't say sorry, but, unless, of course, you have sat in some gum and you say, sorry, but, I didn't mean to stick some gum on you. Anyway, but she said, no one heard the recording, and I don't even give a fuck. Can I say that in this pub? Yes, you may. Working people are here I don't even give a fuck. Can I see that in this pub? Yes, you may working people are here. I don't give a fuck cuz I know someone heard it

Well, I called Alexis. I called Alexis. I called Alexis Hold on hold on anger face because my friend interacts with Alexis Blino But retracted anger face because I realized you're on my side on this one. Okay continue Alexis Bellino, but retracted anger face. Cause I realized you're on my side on this one. Okay. Continue. She said that she played it at a lunch with Jen and Katie and that it was played. It was played and Jen's like, um, no, no, I, I don't remember that. I was at a lunch and I don't remember this text ever being played. I just,

it didn't happen. So Katie's like, Katie tells us, um, she's like, I've never been alone with Heather. I mean, Jen was definitely there, but what's just funny is that Katie suddenly is that Katie was saying I did have a lunch with Alexis and Jen and I did play it there. Cause I'm like, you're kind of in your, your, your, your, like that's what she was saying, but maybe she, she didn't technically say that. So maybe she just means she was there when I told her about it.

Told her. But you know, Katie does lie all the time, so I don't know. I think Katie got together with him and played this thing, thinking it was gonna be hilarious, and Jen doesn't wanna be any part of it, and Alexis decided not to use it so she doesn't get her ass sued

for illegal recordings or something. Yeah, and by the way, I'm sure it was hilarious. I'm sure it was a hilarious recording, and let's not lose sight of that. I would have loved to have heard that recording. Yeah. And by the way, I'm sure it was hilarious. I'm sure it was a hilarious recording and let's not lose sight of that. I would have loved to have heard that recording. Yeah, me too. She should. We have heard versions of it over the years because it's Shannon. So it was like Shannon does those five times a season at least. So including at the end of this episode. So we can, we can,

and her hair is always pulled back into a ponytail every single time too. Isn't that funny? She's got like a habit of like, you know Shannon's ready to go to battle when she pulls her hair back and she comes in like, Andy, you, you are the worst person. It's time for a commercial.

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So Heather's like, I believe Jen. She doesn't remember things. That's such. Jen is stupid. So I completely Jen, she doesn't remember things. Jen is stupid. So I completely, I completely believe that she didn't hear it. I mean, she goes into Neiman Marcus's and buys dresses she can't even afford. And then I watched her do it.

She's so dumb. So they're like, yeah, recording that audio of Shannon was nice. And Heather's like, oh, there is no coming back from that. There is a no coming back. And Shanna says, well, she said she didn't do it on video. Like, that matters. Oh, there's no coming back. Katie has crossed so many lines.

So many lines. She has crossed as many lines as I have read in auditions over the years, because I'm a working actress. Thank you very much. So Jen. So it says Tamra, Tamra's cross lines. Tamra's not an actress, how dare you say that? And she's like, well, I'm not Tamra's keeper.

Well, I'm not Katie's keeper, but do you just give her grace because you're in a safer space? Why do you give Tamra so much space? I don't know where this Jen came from. This is great, I love Jen doing this. I love Jen reminding everyone who the real villain is here. It's not Katie doing an audio recording of Shannon having one of her five million meltdowns.

It's Tamara and Heather's like, oh, Hold on. Let me do a big flop of my hand. Okay, my hand is to the right and let's flop it over to the left. I'm not scared. I'm not scared. Look, I just slam dunked a basketball into my espresso margini. and let's flop it over to the left. I'm not scared. I'm not scared. Camera. Look, I just slam dunked a basketball into my espresso margine. I'm not scared. I'm not scared. I'm not scared.

I'm not scared. So let me go back to the camera. I'm just after a different stand-in than everybody else. It's okay for Katie, but what I did last season, I'm the devil? I'm the devil? Oh, that bait me. Ryan Oh, they're baiting me. Ryan, Ryan posted a suit about suing me. And so if I say anything, he's going to sue me.

And my lawyer said that's baiting and I shouldn't be around him. So I'm not going to be around him. No, just maybe don't slander him. You fucking crazy person. Is this when she is like, when she says I'm held to a different standard or whatever, at one point they like move the screen good. I'm just saying that it's not good. I'm just saying that it's not good. I'm not saying that it's not good. I'm just saying that it's not good. I'm just saying that it's not good. I'm just saying

that it's not good. I'm just saying that it's not good. I'm just saying that it's not good. I'm just saying that it's not good. I'm just saying that it's not good. I'm just saying that it's not good. I'm just saying that it's not good. I'm just saying that it's not good. I'm just saying that it's not good. I'm just saying that it's not good. I'm just saying he's implicated in this scandal that's going on in the sports world versus Katie recording a voice memo. I'm not saying that what Katie did was good. I'm not saying it's not violating, but you cannot, but you can't act like Tamra was like, Oh, it was just some small thing. She rear ended a Jamba Juice truck. Like it's not like, it's like Tamra you, you did was, was a significant, significant thing. There's a villainous act. Yeah. Well, she does it all the time where she just kind of minimizes a significant thing. This is a villainous act.

Yeah, well, she does it all the time where she just kind of minimizes her own thing. You know, it's how she rolls. It's like, well, what'd I do? What'd I do? So then we go back to the other ladies and Heather's like, announcement, announcement. Ding, ding, ding.

I would like to ding on this very dark espresso martini that barkeep has made me ding ding ding I'm having a birthday party for myself Like oh, well, that's not really surprising soon was like wow that was a month ago your birthday So well, I don't like celebrating after the holidays because everyone's fat and gross and poor So I decided to have it Disgusting looking So I decided to have it in a month where people are less disgusting looking. You know, in January, you know, that's when Wendy Malick's back on the sidewalk with her

Pam be like, give me some dollars. I spent everything on a toy for my child. No one wants to see that. So I told Tamara I'm inviting Jen, but then she said her attorney said not to be around Ryan. So I'm not telling you I don't want you to uninvite Ryan, but maybe talk to Ryan and see if he has other things to do instead. And she's like, Oh, oh, well, then you chose Tamra because that is my husband. And I had to sit there and argue that my kids

are in a safe house and that I wasn't raided by the FBI. And I had to pay for lawyers that I couldn't afford because your friend, your friend said we were raided by the FBI and I had to pay for lawyers that I couldn't afford because your friend, your friend said we were raided by the FBI. That woman has caused a who is Jen right now. This was amazing. It was so amazing that this even come from, I even gave her the amount of way those to go against Heather like that. I loved it. It was so good. I even gave her a pass about saying that Ryan was her husband, because that's not true. But like when she's like, this woman has got to be so much pain and she doesn't want to come around by Ryan.

Fuck her. And there's like, oh, okay. All right. You're making the espresso martini mad. Special martinis are kind of my thing. Wait, hold on one second. What was that? Emily has a tagline about espresso martinis.

I will not stand for this. That woman caused so much pain and so she doesn't want to come to be around Ryan. Well, fuck her. And then someone next to them is like, oh, you go girl. And she's like, sorry, sorry. She's like, I'm sorry, but you know what? Uninvite me, uninvite me. Why do you side with her?

Why do you lower yourself? I thought you took the high road. Oh, well, you were not supposed to know that was my line, but that's fine. That's bullshit. Are you not lowering yourself by being with someone who videotaped a friend? It's like you cannot, you cannot make this equivalency. That's not the same. You are the company you keep. Well, yes. And I suppose if that's true, I guess I keep the company with Drake. He does live around the corner from me. So thank you for that. I have so many Grammys. Thank you. And you know what, Jen, if you judge me for my

friendships, what does that say about you and yours? And she goes, that's not fair. She goes, then I'll invite everyone and may the chips fall where they may. Where they fall where they may. Let them fall where they may. I don't care. So because we have maids that can pick up all the chips. Don't you worry if it's a Pringles, if it's a ruffles, let it fall on the floor. That's what the working people are for. Yeah. So Katie is at home with her sons and dads and she is kind of an odd mom because she says things like this. Honey, do you want to come into the kitchen? We're eating dip. That's it. Like a fucking forest weight watchers dip.

I'm getting dip. Kids, it's dip time. Last year, Gavin split the year with me and his dad and now he's here and I never see him. He's always gone. I knew it. So they said, this is kind of a boring scene with me and his dad and now he's here. And I never see him, he's always gone. Anyway, I'm such a grids. So they said, this is kind of a boring scene

because it's a Katie Holmes scene, like who needs that? Nobody. So she's basically talking about how one of her sons still doesn't live with her, but one of her sons decided to come back and live. So now the other son wants to come live back here and she's gonna feel like her family's

all back together again. And she talks about the custody battle starting 11 years ago and how she had to give up custody because she had nothing after her divorce. She was cut off from everything. And so it made sense for her to let the kids stay in their home and go to school in their district because their life is basically more important than hers,

which, you know, the way she explains it is like, I basically made sacrifices for my kid's sake. And she's like, and for that to be used against me is shit. And I feel like a woman should uplift fellow women for what they survived, you know, and not tear them down for their mistakes or whatever. Yeah, I think that's a fair point. I think it's a very fair point.

Yeah. And there was something else, I was confused. She said her son, the one who's there, the older son, he'd spend his time in San Diego. It's Matt's house because they had a house in San Diego, but then they also had a house in this OC. I know this was an issue on the reunion. I just don't remember the details. I think that's where the husband has house. Right. So the kids had the choice and so the kid chose to be in one place for the

summers and one place for the school year. But now he's choosing to come back to her for the school year. But that leaves the other sign in that leaves them separated. So that's what we find out. Now we go to Emily and Shane and they're having a date. They're going to go to, as far as I can tell, is this the West Coast opening of club club? It's a bowling alley and there's beverages and the lighting is cool. Is it club club? Did someone to George and McCann, you are onto something. Well, this isn't a bowling alley in a club. This is a bowling alley and a tavern.

It's called tavern plus bowl. plus bowl. Tavern. Tavern. Tavern. Bowler. Was it really called tavern plus bowl? Yeah, tavern plus bowl. Tavern plus bowl.

Tavern plus bowl. So party of six, this dork brought his own bowling shoes. And Shane's like, yes, yes I did. I am a bowler, as I will prove to you. So it's gonna be a three couple date with Gina and Travis, Emily and Shane and Shannon and dun dun dun. Adam.

Adam, the man who will. Jim was Adam from Love Hotel. A man who will love to wear a scarf at the least least expected moments. So Shannon's like, well, he was on the Love Hotel will love to wear a scarf at the least least expected moments. So Shannon's like, well, he was on the love hotel and I eliminated him. Oh, but he's six years younger than me and he wants kids again. So that's not happening here. That is not happening here.

Well, I don't know why she broke up with Earl. Something I heard about that there was a storm system heading towards Georgia, but this one is a matching bowling shirt and so they're both equally nuts. Now, call me crazy. I don't think it's that crazy to wear a bowling shirt to bowling. Matching bowling shirts is a little weird. I feel like that's what like middle-aged couples do all the time. I would do it. I'd wear a matching bowling shirt.

I'm like, I'm middle-aged. I'm a couple. This is also Emily who anything that happens, she's like, isn't this insane? We're on TV right now. And then Gina's like, oh, I'm going to prove what a good friend I am to Shannon. So I'm going to like really grill this guy.

So like, when was your last serious relationship? You a big drinker? You got a temper? You even killed? You even killed? Because I'm not gonna tolerate another John Jansen situation. Like I don't even care if I have to stay all night in Grellum.

Like I'm gonna do it. You early bird, you late night. Youum. Like, I'm gonna do it. You hardly burned your late night. You got a schedule, you got a retirement plan. You believe we landed on the moon? We didn't land on the moon. After you make fun of someone, do you feel bad? So then Travis's, he was like, or Trevor, Travis, I always forget his name.

He's like, honey, you're acting like our dog. Sorry, I feel bad. So she pulls off and everything. And Shannon's like, look, okay, I intend to make it clear that I have nothing to say to Katie ever, ever again, except for later in this episode when I will actually yell at her for a minute. But anyway, oh wow, I'm gonna crash.

I'm gonna crash when I get home. That's, oh no, Shane. Sorry, that was Shane, that was my bad. Shane goes up to Shanna and goes, God, you're really gonna crash when you get home. Too soon, Shane. Too soon. Shane, think about the words.

Think about the words. Shanna's like, oh, this is just our first stop. We're going from here to the quiet lady, the quiet woman. And we've got lots of places to go. Oh, so when we go to Jen, a Jen home scene, talking to her kid about sports and he got in trouble because he's talking too much in PE and Ryan loved that.

Is that good for you? I didn't know you had to be silent and be like, maybe it's like, OK, kids, this is how you climb the rope. And he gets he was talking through that part. But I was like, I feel like he is actually one of the louder classes where you can talk and whatnot. And it's also like run by people. Is this called jumping yaks?

No, it's not jumping yaks. It's jumping jacks. So Ryan's like, being a stepdad is hard. It's, you know, like, you know, cause they already have a dad who doesn't even wear paint splatter on his denim jackets. And I just wish he was more hands-on and he's not. And they live on a roof, but everything's cool.

Everything's totally cool. You can see Ryan biting his tongue to be like this fucking guy's a douchebag. I hate him. And this is for me, Ryan, is calling someone a douchebag. Yeah, Ryan's like, well, he's a terrible father, so I try to fill in when I can, but it sucks. So Dawson comes home and he's met a recruiter

and he's joining the Marines. And Jen's like, no, he didn't even ask me. The conversation was, I'm joining the Marines. So that's great. And so she's talking to him, she's like, so this is the path you want, honey? You're really sure? And he's like, yup.

And he's like, yeah, you know, like the only thing is like they say like the hardest part is like the mental part. I just want like the training to hurry up. I mean, isn't this kid always like in trouble and stuff? He's got another thing coming to him if he thinks this is the easy road. Dumb. Yeah, if you think that like, uh, the train, he's like, I just want the train to hurry up. I'm like,

I don't know much about being a soldier. I applaud the people who have gone down this path. My feeling is that after the training is over, it's still going to be hard. I've never met a soldier or a family member of a soldier who's like, Oh my God, thank God he took the easy route and became a soldier. Oh God, it's a cakewalk. God, so, so pleasant being deployed. So, um, so, but then here's what gets crazy.

So it's just like a standard scene is going's going to Marines like, okay, okay, okay. And then Jen goes, oh, by the way, did you sign Harrison's school loan with your dad? And he's like, yeah, I don't know. You're like, what? And then she says, cause I don't feel comfortable co-signing with your dad, but you did.

And it turns out that Harrison, who was an older son, who was like 21 or something needed like a school loan and so the dad had Dawson who's 18 cosine on a school loan. I was like I wasn't even sure if I was really even hearing this or seeing this correctly at first I was like is that possible like someone you're having the younger son who's still in high school first of all you're allowed to do that and then you're gonna have the younger son who's still in high school. First of all, you're allowed to do that. And then you're going to have the younger son who's still in high school, co-sign on it, sign on it,

I guess on spec that this kid was going into the Marines is going to be earning a salary. That is shitty. That is so shitty and terrible. And so they didn't co-sign at all. He just made the son do it. I'm so confused. I don't, I don't know. Did the dad and the son both co-sign? I don't understand why there'd be two. Cause I thought I took it at first that the dad had the son co-signing.

Cause she said, I don't feel comfortable co-signing with your dad. But so he made you do it, meaning that the dad co-signed and the son co-signed for the other son's loan. So does that mean now there's three people on the loan? Did the dad just have enough credit to do it himself so he needed somebody? Like, I don't know. I don't understand. It must have been. All I know is I would just never like, never like make your son cosign

the loan for your other son. And then now, now Dawson is basically on the, he's on the hook for all this stuff. And they, you know, Ryan lays it all out, like you have more debt than you have income coming in. That's going to show on this whenever you want to buy stuff. And Dawson's like, yeah, that's cool. I was like, oh, that's, this is so shitty. And Ryan is basically at the end of the scene when Dawson leaves, Ryan's like, yeah, I would never do that.

Like that's, I can't imagine. I would put my kid in that spot. Yeah. That's, yeah.'t imagine. I would put my kid in that spot. Yeah. Yeah. That's so shitty. Yep. So then Heather goes out with Tamara, and they go to this place with parrots all over the place, for whatever reason.

It's called Madagascar. There's a restaurant called Madagascar. It's a very global spot in Orange County. So Tamara comes in, she's like, oh, such a good, hey, buddy. Oh, you're the mean one, I remember you. You called me old one year. And I laughed. But then they actually show a clip from 2017

where she's coming in and you just hear, old. She's like, did you just call me old? Stupid mother-of-a-bitch. Call it like I see it, bop, bop. Call it like I see it, bop. Bop, I'm Richard Rossi, nice to meet you, b Papa. Oh my God, everywhere. She's everywhere. So Heather's like, can I, can I, I want some champagne, but, but Barkeep, can we please have some regular wine glasses instead of champagne glasses? Thank you.

That's how we're doing it now. That's how we're doing it now. Tell the other boys, tell the other boys. Oh my goodness. God. Wow. Tamara, you've been so calm lately. What's your secret? So she's like, life is so sad. So she talks about therapy, but she talks about Teddy and she's looking at videos with Teddy and she's like, I'm in so many of those videos, so many videos with Teddy. There was a feeling, I was like, are you Loki trying to jockey for position with Kyle?

You're competing with Kyle Richards right now, aren't you? I feel like, I kind of feel like there's like an element where like Kyle gets all the credit for being Teddy's best friend. Like they just had a glamor, I think it was Glamor magazine. They had a whole spread about like with the two of them and everything for what Teddy's

going through. And I feel like Tamara, I get the sense that Tamara's like, uh, hello, I'm also her best friend and I talk with her and work with her every single day of the week and I'm getting no credit for this. And Kyle Richards is stealing all their friend credit in this situation. You know, I still had everything going on with Teddy. I was going through the Instagram and thinking how I'm the friend who's on every single post. And I scrolled and I scrolled and I scrolled

and I scrolled and finally on page 18, I got to Kyle Richards. And I thought, wow, Teddy could use more phone calls from her probably. She happened to be doing it at my childhood, Sydney. I'm crying all the time. Oh, when did you go to Sydney? No, that's my daughter bitch Oh, yes. I definitely paid attention But I can see you

Sorry hard to see you over all my hotline bling I am the company that I keep Drake hard to see you over all my hotline bling. I am the company that I keep, Drake." So she's like, you are doing the work on yourself. It's like every time I see a maid vacuuming herself in my basement, I'm like, you are doing the work on yourself. I love the image of a maid vacuuming herself.

Good for you, putting in the work. Terry's like, why is there a maid vacuuming herself? I told her putting in the work. There was like, why is there a maid vacuuming herself? I told her to do the work on herself. She took it literally. So Heather's really trying to sell this newfound version of Tamra to us. She's like, I have never seen Tamra go through so much emotionality. She's so balanced. She's so thoughtful. And listen, Tamara, I'm talking to you now. I'm not the audience. I told Jen, when are you

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No, I think her name is. my dead body over my dead body. Oh, that two cat has met Grace Butler. Was that her name? No. I think her name is, I was gonna say Rhett Butler, but that's the God of the Wind. Maybe that's Grace Butler. Butler. Damn it, what was her name?

I don't know who she is. She didn't survive the 90s the way I did. But I'm sure she's had great fun auditioning for Brett Butler. Yeah. Brett Butler. She played Grace Kelly. Under fire. It was Grace Kelly.

Grace Kelly. Was her name Grace Kelly? I guess so. Yeah. God, I really fucked myself up. OK, the recap's over. I need time for my brain to heal from all the information I just learned about this early 90s sitcom.

Anyway, as I was telling my dear friend, the lady with the blue eyeshadow on that Drew show, it's hard, it's very hard, and we need to give Tamara some grace. Drew. Oh, my. Ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha.

Ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha.

Ha ha ha ha. Well, I started by telling her about not drinking champagne glasses out of flutes. I wanted to make that mistake. God bless her heart. She's got it hard enough over there. Drinking a lot of cream out of that espresso margine. Anyway, I don't like it. I brought up the party and I mentioned Ryan to Jen and Tamara's like, oh, yeah, just telling not to bring him.

My lawyer said so. Well, I told everyone to bring their significant others. So, you know, it's starting a war. I told this person can bring someone, that person can bring someone. Slam dunk into the table. You know, you know. Heather is playing with fire here.

And of course she started it up. Like, Tamara, I just want to say how proud I am of you. You've grown so much. Jen's boyfriend's coming to the party. And wait, did they get married? Oh no, maybe they, did they have a small ceremony? I don't remember. No, there's, maybe they want to have a small ceremony.

Did they get a, I don't think they eloped. I think that like, remember that she was trying on wedding bikinis recently? Oh, right, right, right. Yeah, yeah, they eloped. I think that like, remember that she was trying on wedding bikinis recently. Oh, right, right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So Tamara's like, it's his friendship better than mine?

This is my feelings. And we all know what happens when my feelings get hurt. Dun, dun, dun. Listen, listen, it's gonna be a big party. You don't have to see her. It's gonna be a lot of people. My friends, the Turlades who own the winery will be there. Richard Marx, we're letting him out of the

basement. He'll sing some songs. It'll be a chill dancing vibe. I mean, there'll be some upbeat jams by Michael Buble, sure. But if you see Ryan, just ignore him. Easy as pie. Oh yeah? Well, I know for a fact that Eddie won't go to your party because Eddie's not concerned for that. Oh no, what are we gonna do at a party without your protein fart fucking charisma bundled husband? Who cares at all, what does Eddie have to do with anything?

The life of the party, Eddie. God, it'll be so sad without him there. Eddie Judge. So we go to Terry and Heather. She is just where they're getting ready for the party, I think. So they're getting ready. And Terry's like, so how much is this party compared to the Nobu party?

She's like, more. And he's like, well, how much more? Two times, three times? I'll say four times. He's like, that was $45,000 Heather. Yeah, well, Richard Marks breathing stem cells into Richard Mark Marx doesn't come cheap.

Luckily Daisy Fuentes says she's going to chip in. So then we go to Jen and Ryan and Jen's like, I mean, if we see the camera, just like no allocations talk. He's like, I'm not going to talk to her. Okay, good. So Ryan had knee surgery, so he's gonna be hobbling around. This is someone who is desperate to be on camera, is that he got knee surgery the day before, but he's still like, uh-uh, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna hobble around. I might permanently ruin my knee

because I should be resting right now, but it'll be worth it to be on camera. Yeah. With a hoodie and a blazer at the same time. Yeah, so Katie's telling her hair person she wants to talk to Shannon, and Shannon's telling her the same time. Yeah, so Katie's telling her hair person she wants to talk to Shannon and Shannon's telling her person, her hair person,

she's absolutely not talking to Katie. But I am bringing Phil from the dating show, Love Island. I keep in contact with all of them. I have a bench of friends, a bench. Ha ha ha ha. Tomorrow I'm going to be bringing my new sweet adorable friend. His name is Ace Green and he is very small and he fits in my pocket and he will be a

great addition to whatever event we go to. I cannot wait. So Heather walks through her party and she's like, oh, do I feel an obligation to throw a good party? Yes. I have a champagne girl in a glass. I have people rolling joints because I'm Heather Dubrow. Cool, mom.

I've got two guys writing poetry, sushi caviar bombs. And yes, I also hired a pro photographers to capture the event, not to be confused with paparazzi. Ah, God, isn't it great to be a cool person having rolled marijuana joints and poetry? God, I love being me. So Emily and Shane arrive, life of the party, part two, and Emily's like, the point of a birthday party is that you were birthed on this earth on a day. This just feels so random.

Yeah, and some people celebrate Christmas in June and have to celebrate their birthday whenever the fuck she wants I feel bad for anyone's birthday really is today Well, I heard that Ryan had me surgery girls. I thought maybe he got a lesson Doesn't want to come Love it. She's like maybe some heavy showed up and like banged him in the knees like that little hoodlum. He is like maybe some heavies showed up and like banged him in the knees like the little hoodlum he is. So Emily's like, is Tamara coming? You don't know. It's like, I don't know, but we'll check every dumpster to see if she's hiding out. So then Ryan shows up. Jen come and Ryan's in a hoodie, which is super classy. This is a classy party, sir. Okay. Your knee was hurt, not your arms, put on a decent shirt, okay?

Okay. Yeah. And then Shannon shows up with none other than Bella! Phil from Bella! Hello Phil, hello, I'm Phil, I'm from Bella! Phil is horrified. He's like, I didn't know there was a place south of Santa Monica Boulevard. What is this land down here?

Orange County. What do I do? So Shannon's like, well, that, Katie better not talk to me. I'll tell you that. Don't you want to talk to Katie? You never make a new friend? She's like, no, absolutely not. Don't you even start.

So Heather is making everyone do caviar bombs, which apparently is where they come and they put caviar on your hand like Coke, and then instead of snorting at you, lick it off, which sounds disgusting. Yes, I- I don't need my retinae that is probably leftover on my hand mixing with my caviar.

Absolutely not, and I have done many of these. I'm like, I will do it, I will do it. Just give me a fucking cracker. I'm not even in it for the fish eggs I'm here for the crackers. I agree. I like it. I prefer a cracker over over it being on my hand I don't love it being in my hand, but I do wash my hands first before I do it. So it's delicious You know public restroom soap scent as you eat your caviar. I just, it's gross. Humans are gross. So Shannon's telling everyone about Phil.

She's like, well, everyone, so Phil, we met on the Love Hotel and he got to know all the girls and he is one of our favorites. He's also the one who has more than six figures in his bank account. So we enjoy Phil. Emily's like, Hey, I love your teeth. Wow. You got really good teeth.

So when do you celebrate your birthday? Months later? Probably like this wacko. Right? Now I just want to tell everyone that Phil is not a friend with benefits. He's just a friend. Although there is a benefit to being a friend with him, which is that he will bail you out if something should happen on the road,

if you know what I'm saying. Oh goodness, Phil, you're not recording this, are you? So, Gene is like, well, the drive by Caviar's a bit moist, but just another day in the life at DuPont. So then Shannon, let's see, Shannon is trying to hit the gong with a glass. Like they give you a shot and you have to hit the gong.

And if you don't hit the gong, you have to take another shot and then keep hitting the gong. So of course Shannon just keeps missing it to get more shots. But they finally move her over to some, some version. They're like, we'll give you a non-alcoholic shot so we can hit the gong without getting wasted. Emily and Gina walk through a hall of mirrors, which is like watching the show. And Gina's like, she's like, whoa, this venue used to be like a massive like Christian television

compound and it's like giving those vibes. Like I also feel like weird cult shit. Like it's weird to think that they used to be like a TV network here and now it's gone. I feel bad that they got canceled. It's weird because Miami was in a church and this one's in a Christian compound. Very Jesusy week over on Robs. So then Terry Dubrow is like, Whoa, guys, there's a marijuana bar here. Okay.

They roll the whole thing. Look, let me show you where to go. It's not in the glass thing Where did it go? Oh my god, Terry probably been hitting the marriage Juana. We are cool. We are a cool couple Suck on this Wendy Malik so then Katie is Katie's there and she's like well, I never thought I'd be at Heather's birthday, but seeing Shannon makes me sad No, I think what you're supposed to say is, I feel bad.

I won't do that. I won't say that, Gina. So Shannon is already steaming because Shannon's had some shots now at the gong thing and her hair is pulled back. So we know what's about to happen. So she's like, Oh, that girl recorded me in a gallery shoot. And Katie and Gina back to them. Katie's like, yeah, and I'm not really happy with Tamara. I mean, listen, I

fell on the sword. I went over to Tamara's house. I apologized to her. And then she tattled on me and took everything I told her. And, you know, look, every problem I've had in this group has been Tamara telling on me. Yeah, so maybe learn your fucking lesson. Yeah, exactly. No one ever learns their lesson. Like how is Tamra to these people off screen that they're so loyal to Tamra once the cameras start rolling? Because the

second they start rolling about shits all out the window. You guys need to learn. Yeah, I know. Seriously. So meanwhile, Emily says hi to Gretchen and Slade and Gretchen's like, however, by the way, I we should get more testosterone for our love life because I broke Slade's penis for real. It's a medical thing. You can't get a boner anymore. Yeah. I was like, no, when it breaks, it costs our tissues and how it bends cause he doesn't want to get hired in that section. So I call him captain hook now. Cause it's like that. And you really can see how this has affected Slade because I was like, wow, Slade is much, he's much more withdrawn this time around.

It's like, oh, he can't get a full boner. And like that's in his head. It's in his head in many, many ways, more ways than one. So then Heather and Katie are talking about Shannon and Katie's like, I sent her a text and Heather's like, yep, she showed me, she showed me your text, which is okay somehow. Like recording's not bad,

but showing people private texts are okay. So Shannon is like, oh, oh, well, look over there. Heather is chatting with Katie, like nothing happened. Are you fucking kidding me? I was like, oh, you know what, Katie, you have to fix this. You have to fix this. Can you go fix this? Okay. Katie's like, okay, I know what, Katie, you have to fix this. You have to fix this. Can you go fix this? Okay.

Katie's like, okay, I'll ask her to a chat. So they go and they basically, they go up, Jen and Katie go up to Phil and Shannon and Katie's like, hi, hi, I'm Katie. And you are sir with the teeth. What's your name? Hello, I'm Phil from Belle hair. Oh, wow. That's very interesting. I feel scared right now. I don't know why. Can we have a talk Shannon? Okay. Okay. Okay.

Well, I am very, very, very, very, very sorry. I didn't mean to hurt you in any way. I have no excuse except that I just wanted to bring laughter into the lives of many people by recording you. That's all. Oh, well, you know, you sent me a text and you were giving me excuses and that is not an apology. What you did is illegal. Illegal.

And I expect my privacy. That day, when you videotaped me, I was upset. That was illegal. Well, I don't even remember what it was. I don't even remember what it was about. Well, it's none of your business. It's none of your business what that call was about. Well, you came in to the gallery shoot

and you were on your speakerphone. It was outside. I was outside. No, no, it was right next to our station. Oh, is that your business? Is that your business? Is that your business where I took the call? You made it my business when you did it. I was on, in fact, I was on a business call

with an investor investing in tiny shot glasses. Well, isn't there a thing, tiny shot glasses, golf, golf, I forgot the little golf buzz balls. I was in, I was getting an investor who was going to invest in shot glasses that were the shape of golf balls. I was in, I was getting an investor who was going to invest in shot glasses that were the shape of golf balls. Unfortunately, I was told on that call that I was being sued for stealing his

ID in the first place. Yeah, that didn't really happen. So I was one heartbeat away from shark tank. And then you walked in and disrupted everything. I mean, Barbara Corcoran basically hung up on me at that moment. I went from shark tank to shark tank. Okay. And Shannon's like, well, you're on an important business call and get you hung up to record me. Hmm.

Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Which was a decent point, actually. It is a very strong point. That you are sitting here trying to defend yourself. I am apologizing. No, you're not.

No, you're not. That's not an apology. That is not an apology. That is not an apology. There's not one carbon site. Emily's like watching it. She goes, Heather, it's your party. So I don't know if you want to intervene.

Should we do it? You would intervene. And Shane's like, we should record it. Get it? Get it? Because it's about recording. And Emily's like, what is hilarious, Shane? That is hilarious.

You're getting anal tonight. So Shane is like, nothing you say ever adds up ever, KB. And I'm going, I've gone to the bathroom. I'm going to the bathroom. I'm going to the bathroom. I'm going to the bathroom. I'm going to the bathroom. I'm going to the bathroom. I'm going to the bathroom. I'm going to the bathroom. I'm going, what is hilarious Shane? That is hilarious, you're getting anal tonight. So Shannon's like, nothing you say ever has ever KB and I'm going, I've gone to the bottom

of the barrel with these women and not once has anyone recorded me. And her fingers going in full like she buzzes around, she points it in her face and buzzes it in a circle. And then she starts doing the conducting thing where she's like, not once. I'm gonna say that you know about Shannon because I guaranteed Tamara and all of them have recorded you many times and they laugh about it to themselves.

So Katie's like, well, it just, it went to my husband. Alexis never heard it. Which we know is a lie because we know at the very least she sat and told Alexis all about it. So Katie does this thing where she like plays on technicalities, you know? And Shannon's like, Oh, Katie, I act, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,

I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I's like, she's the one screaming and yelling, you know. You were the one, you were the one in Sonoma sitting with me talking about the videos against me and you decided after all that I've been through to video record me. Yes, I know what the technical term is video record. That's what she did. And no apology will ever make up for how you have violated me.

I put you in the same category as John Jansen video recorders. That's what you both are. It's like, Oh really? So I sued you for 75 grand. Well, you were you were you you you recorded me and you're in their category. You're like a category five hurricane storm. Sorry, Earl. That was for you. I was trying to do a little makeup makeup session for you. There you go. She's like, No, I'm not. Can I talk I talk can I talk you're the one talking over me? So she Shannon to give her full ponytail drunken anger gets up. She's like, let me make this clear. I can't eat you now

Ma, I will never ever speak to you again. You are the most evil evil person I've met she's trying to defend herself Insanity, I'm not gonna let rile me up. Not you. This girl worse than Alexis Bellino, worse than Tamara Judge. We're done. We're done. I will not let you rile me up while I scream at this party and storm out. You will not rile me up!" And then she storms out and Kitty goes, she left her grilled cheese. Great episode. So great Housewives week. Very good week for the Housewives. Everybody, thanks so much for being here. We sure love you guys. We'll talk to you next week. Bye.

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