Watch What Crappens - #2955 RHOC S19E04: Jo Way Out

Episode Date: August 1, 2025

The Real Housewives of Orange County celebrates Heather some more and Tamra brings Jo back to tile up Gretchen and Slade. It doesn’t really work, but it’s ok. Jen drags Tamra some more anyway. You can watch this recap on video, listen to our bonus episodes, and participate in live episode threads at patreon.com/watchwhatcrappens.  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Yeah, you know, ahead of this season, there was a lot of chatter, a lot of discussion about, well, mainly from the source itself, Tamara was, like, quit the show when they were in New Orleans, right? Something like, she left. She left. She couldn't take it anymore. She quit. She quit, bitch. And, you know. And, you know. That's my opinion. Jan, Jan, Yan, Jan. And it's like, I think at the time, I mean, she said a lot of things, which I didn't listen to. But, like, I think we all assumed, okay, she was stressed about Teddy, et cetera, which is obviously probably still a major factor. But it's also clear that her shit is just not working anymore.

Jen just does not fall for it. Jen has Tamara's number on this episode. And Gretchen has Tamara's number. There are two people that are just seeing through her. And Tamara's manipulations are falling flat. and she's losing her power and she just can't deal. So of course she left the New Orleans trip because Bravo has lined up basically two nuclear weapons against her.

Two nuclear kryptonite, poison, toxic, whatever it is. Two and a half because you've got Katie's husband as well who is not standing for one ounce of shit from Tamara or Ryan, which is actually pretty good. Now, normally I don't love when the husband's getting the mix, but I think he did it in a very, calm and collected away and just handed her ass to her very calmly and walked off. And I think that's allowed. Yes. And also, by the way, shout out to our friend Kiki, who managed to be

drawn into the mess of this show. Like, that is the dream. So great, great work, Kiki. Yeah, I was proud of her. It's like, you go, you go, Kiki. So we are still at Heather's terrible birthday party thrown in a televangelist compound. with an all-brown theme. And the, the Chiron, as soon as we enter, says Heather DeBrow's birthday party, and then underneath it said, secondary observance. So, yes, we're here with evil-eyed Heather, and Shannon has just lost her mind at Katie.

What? You are the worst person. You are worse than Alexis Bellino. Oh, Katie Janella, you illegally filmed me. Illegal? Illegal. It's illegal. I am through.

We are done. We are done. I am walking right out of here. Oh, are those kind of base? Well, I mean, I may just stop just to see what they've served. I mean, if Heather paid for all this, it'd be terrible if no one even sample the goods. Okay, I'll be right over here. Can I take two?

What do you mean? I can't take two. You are the most... You are more evil than Alexis Bolino! And there was articles we talked about in Crappy Hour that were coming out this week saying after this episode, Shannon had to be sat down by production for abusing the production staff. Shannon just came back because, you know, timeline-wise, this was right after Love Hotel. And so Love Hotel is when Joel Kim Booster did his whole tirade online against Shannon. And so she came back and I guess she's just keeping it going by just being abusive to everybody left and right.

so she's key when no one Shannon has a that evil ponytail that she's coming for somebody I would just hide in the bathroom if I saw her come in with that ponytail hide yeah that's she means business so Katie's like well I'm getting the blame for everything so I'm going to leave so she gets Matt well Matt's eating and she's like this is just a waste of a good dress so uh there meanwhile these are cheering with hot dogs and Heather does this whole like oh cheers I love a good hot dog and then she smiles and tears right into the camera this wacky fun heather she starts eating her hot dog like a corn on the cop because she has no idea what the sort of food is she's like look at me a lady of the people it's like uh heather that's not how you eat a hot dog of course it is

i studied this at syracuse acting the school yeah so she goes up to katie and she's like katie let's discuss this another time when i'm not getting good hot dog will from the audience all right This is what they call a ballpark wiener, and it's what people eat at games of balls of bass. So Gina's like, I genuinely like Katie, but like it's hard for us to be on the outs because like, I feel bad. Like, I want to hear her out and see if it's like repairable. She literally says it. I feel bad. When she's the one who gets the ball rolling on all of this shit.

So, Katie's like, you know, tells Matt what Shannon said. And Matt's like, well, it's stupid. It's not true. So just let her have her thing. So Katie feels bad because she knows that Shannon was trying to help her. And then she hurt Shannon. And she feels really bad about that. So they're walking out.

They're walking out now. So then we see a car and it's Tamara and a secret guest. Who could it be? She's like, thanks so much for coming with me. It's a hard path. So I'm just a nice. I don't want to be around Ryan. It's just scary.

Oh, and I know you must be nervous, too, because it's been decades for you. Decades. And we see, it's Joe. And Joe has not only found a ride with Tamara. She's found Jesus. Thank God. Jesus is here. Gretton and Joe have brought Jesus back to our television.

It's right in time for the Trump era. I, at first, it was Joe. For some reason, I mentally thought it was Lizzie. And I was like, oh, that's a surprise. I was like, wait, no, that's Joe. And they don't even really look alike, but, like, my mind was, like, inserted Lizzie in there at first. I love Tamara, who is so angry that Katie would allegedly, would, like, have some sort of, like, interference with, like, Bravo Babe or something, like, have a sympathetic phone call because Bravo Babe says that Tamara is, like, planting bad stories, whatever, like, that's, like, that's, like, that's Katie's biggest infraction is that she spoke to content creators. while Tamara is the content creator

and she's bringing like someone's like ex like Cat Tamara's being actively messy and then it's acting like why Katie did as the worst thing that ever happened to this cast Yeah And she's like, well have I said it was okay If I could bring Joe

She said oh Joe Yeah bring her bring Joe And if Gretchen's upset about it That's Gretchen's problem And then in the car Tamara's like Can we just pray Please let's pray

And Joe's like Let's pray that's me, Joe. Prayer. I don't know if anybody remembers me. I've become a big prayer since back then. So, dear God, I pray that our relationships can be mended, Lord. And that is my last line of the evening. Thank you, Jesus. Dear Jesus, you found me at a low point of my life when I was just sitting on counters in 2005 and in Coteau-de-Cazzo, waiting for Slate to come home. And I would just bounce around the kitchen. Opening and closing cabinet doors.

Remember when that's how they displayed That's how they portrayed how bored Joe was. Joe's like, I don't know if I can just sit here all day. And then they have a long shot of her just opening a cabinet door and closing it and opening it. That was in the pilot of this show because we rewatched it about a year ago. And it was

like filmed on like a Fisher Price camera as Joe opening cabinets and closing them like, okay, do something to show that you're lonely. Should I open up the cabinet? Yes, yes, do more of that. So they pray, inquire music. music is playing.

And then we go back inside. The ladies are talking. And Jen's like, so, Slade, you haven't been around Tamara, right? Or conditioner any anytime recently? And Slade's like, mm-mm. I don't talk now, but I'm just going to shake my head. And Greta's like, have you met, Slade?

I have to keep him away from her. You will eat her alive. And so Tamara. I'm steaming mad. So Tamara sees Katie leaving outside and she's like, oh wait, you got to leaving. Katie, Katie, come back, Katie. Matt's like, do not talk to her.

She's like, I don't want to talk about it. She's like, oh, I just want to make sure you're okay. Come on, don't you want to go back to the party so I can humiliate you? I didn't get my chance yet. That's like, oh, please, you started this. Now you want to pretend like you care. Ha! ha! Yeller at me, yeller.

So she's like, so it's my fault. Satsy's got abuse, my man. Abuse. Please. So it's my fault that I'm hot and that you recorded, Shannon. Katie's like, you brought it up at my lunch, where I was trying to move forward with these ladies. And then Tamara's just smiling in the confessional, that evil little Satan smile. She's like, oops, I thought that Gina I had a mirror about that.

I thought it was the comfort we had last year. Guess not. Whoops. Katie's like, she has blood on her hands. If she was so concerned, why hold on to that information for a year? And Tamara's like, well, you got caught and said it against your fault. She goes, yeah, but I owned it, Tamara. I already owned it.

She goes, I've done nothing but be nice to you and be supportive of you. And she goes, you called me a cup fitness last year. I've never called you names. Too soon. Too soon. Do you know what it's like to close the doors on your white floor gym? Too soon don't say cut fitness. I've never called you names.

And you called me the seward. She goes, oh, yeah, you just got blockers. He don't call games. She'll call bloggers. Tamara, I don't know how many more times I have to make this point, but I will make it over and over again. You are the blogger. You have a podcast. You're so mad at people planting stories.

You plant your own stories and your own podcast and put them out there for the world. So inside, Shannon has yelled at somebody. And so now she's doing the second part of her job, which is wackily eating food. She's like, oh, what is this? Well, is this a buffet? I'm just allowed to eat anything here. Whoa, is this a spring roll? Why don't they call these winter rolls?

Whoa, trying to get in my mouth. Look at me. I'm wearing a chaffer lid on top of my head. No one bang it like Kelly Dodd. Oh, no, someone just that. Who banged it? Who did that? That was not nice.

I actually, I was doing a bit. I was doing a bit. So Tamara comes, and she's like, I made it. Ha! And then it's like, hello. Ha! So. And Emily's like, oh, let me get my popcorn.

So her and Jean are like making a big theme out of like, oh, we're eating popcorn. We're hilarious. Emily did very little this episode and she drove me nuts every time she showed up on screen and talked. she's just like you're at an amusement park and you're tired and you're finally sitting down to have some shitty burger and then she sits down next to you at the next table and is loud and annoying and then leads all her garbage on the table for someone else to clean up like she's just like an annoying person on an amusement park who's walking slowly where you're just trying to get to the roller coaster I can't deal with her anymore yeah but I'm glad she found another food prop so it's pretty it's actually pretty impressive that she can do that every single time so Gretchen is like oh really showing up with Slade's actual she's not moving forward with me. She's trying to poke, poke, poke at me. Poe, poke, poke. Hey, by the way, stop poking on me, Slade. Jesus, get that, get that poke away from me. Why can't everyone just get along after I make everyone mad at each other?

I don't care about none of this bullshit, but it's entertaining, okay? Because, like, you know what? Like, I feel bad. And Jean is like, I mean, and just right after saying, why can't everyone get along? Can't we just be nice? Gina goes, I mean, Gretchen looks like a fake person. Like, look at a. And Emily's like, you know, she dips herself in formaldehyde every night. Yeah, she looks like an Instagram filter from 2003.

She looks like a Barbie filter from 2003. And they start cracking up. First of all, you guys are dicks. And second of all, Emily, you're talking about your dips their face in formaldehyde. Are you fucking kidding me? You look like you're going 80,000 miles an hour downhill. without a helmet on what are you talking you look like you're trying to escape a floby that's trying to consume your entire body you can't even close one of your eyes you've had different faces every

single season what the fuck are you talking about new hip we sat through and were empathetic towards an entire storyline about how you had to wear larger jeans than everyone else because it made you feel conscious about how the way you look and now you're sitting here you're just being so shitty right now. I mean, it's one thing for like us podcasts should do it, but this is actually supposed to be your girlfriend on on TV. No. Yeah, you guys, you guys suck.

So then, and I'm, and you've made me stand up for Gretchen of all people. How dare you. How dare you? So then we go to Wacky Terry who's stoned and he's like, hey, hey, babe, I was just congratulating Ryan

that his name is in Italia because then Jen's name when they got married would be genitalia that is very funny that is very funny i think that we should pitch this to nbc universal to get a spinoff on the hd network it still is out there god what was their tv show that hether and terry had for one second that pilot well they had a pilot it didn't get picked up what was that remember she had a big party yes it was like two years ago We already forgot about it. It wasn't the HGN.

Advice with Heather and Terry. I forget what it was. Oh, yeah. This is how, oh, it was about like, like, we were, we, we've been through it all. We're a, we're a couple. Like, we will give you advice because when there's cracks, we're going to uncrack the cracked marriage or something like that. Yeah, they were giving marriage advice. Let me see, they had a pilot for a show called the seven-year stitch.

That's right. That's what it was. Nothing crack, stitch. I don't know why, yeah. Help couples on the brink of divorce by providing them with internal and external makeovers. Look at that. Okay. The first make over, you want to make sure that you look better than the people who are walking into your service entrance.

Because if you look like the servants, your man will probably lose interest in you. Step one. Look bad. Don't be fat, bloated, or poor, or sober. Spice things up. Next time you have a casual lunch at Nobu, send all your flatware ahead and have them wash it for you. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial.

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Tamara comes up to the girls and say, You guys, I just got attacked by Katie outside. Drive me blood on me. Get the blood off of me. And Terry's like, Granchin, can't change the things, can things be better with an apology? And Gretchen's like, um, she just walked in with Slate's X. Look how she's still being petty. John's like, they went through something.

And Tamara went hard. And she showed up in an FBI hat when stuff was hard with Ryan. And she does things. And we all have to be sensitive all of a sudden. I don't think so. Homie, don't play that. And Heather's like, I don't get that reference. But I don't throw people away because they're damaged.

only if they're poor and refuse to work for me. But when do we just say, like, look in the mirror. Work on it, Tamara. Look in the mirror. Work on you. Okay, okay. But she is. She is working on herself.

But you're just too angry to see it. I'm not faulting you, but you can't see it possibly. Do you have any money in your account? Hold it up to your face and maybe you can see better because right now you're seeing like a poor person. You're seeing poorly. You have poor vision. Do you understand? And just to follow up on your question of when do we say look in the mirror and work on it, I do that every day to my maid.

Look at that spot. Work on that. Tamara had a life event. Give her a hot second. Just give her a hot second. That's me. You know, good old Heather, just trying to look out for everybody's feelings. By the way, fuck that lady who abandoned her children.

I hope she's gone from my party. So Emily is swinging around licorice. Emily does that thing where she thinks she's so funny when she's like, I think she almost thinks she's like a lady of the people. She's like, oh, look at me, Greek course, swinging around my licorice. Look at all this fancy shit. I'm like, go back to your amusement park, please. So then Emily's like, give me a Diet Coke.

Gaston, Diet Coke. I'm like, she just mortifies me. Why is she on Bravo? Yeah, she's terrible. So then Gretchen basically stymies Tamara's whole plan by coming right up to Joan going, Hi, Joe. Nice to see you. And giving her a kiss. And she's like, oh, my God, Gretchen. Hi, how have you been?

So, sorry, but that's already over. So Tamara lost that one. And then Jen takes Tamara to talk. And Tamara's like, or she comes to talk to her a little bit. And Tamara's like, well, we've already talked, but she can say what she wants. Like, why does your boyfriend keep going after me on social media? It's like, Tamara, again, I know this is getting annoying. But, like, you can't complain about a boyfriend coming up to you on social media when you have a podcast and you go after people on your podcast.

Including her and her boyfriend. So, yeah, people are allowed to respond to you, Tamara. But this is amazing watching Tamara lose just issue after issue today. I mean, she's already, this is only the first five minutes. She got her asshole handed to her by Matt and with just one very innocent little line. Then she got her asshole handed to her by Katie as well. then she walks in here with Joe nobody cares Gretchen makes up

with her I mean it's just one right after the other we've had three and it's not even five minutes yet and like the fact that Jen is going to be the one that really finishes her when Jen for two seasons was just such a sweet nice pushover like her whole Jen's whole thing was that like she's

so gullible and you're like come on Jen wake up and then like last season at the end like they she had her Neo moment she saw the matrix and she started doing like the slow motion kung fu and now it's like watch out tamra she is activated i want to go see that have you heard the matrix is at that new place the dome or what's it called it's like the it's kind of like the sphere but it's a movie theater in l. really in like englewood

i think englewood and they're playing the matrix you know i love yeah they made it like a big they made like a big um dome of some kind of our event space i'll go with you do you want to go to the matrix let's go i love the matrix oh you do i love the matrix oh you do i love too. I mean, I haven't seen it since it came out, but I loved it as a kid. Oh, my God. I'm obsessed. Okay. So, anyway, Gretchen's like, I'm going to be nice to Joe because it's not about Joe. It's, it's getting rusty, Tamara. It's getting rusty. So then there's Heather gets a speech. There's a lot of sparklers going on.

And Heather's like, okay. Yes, sorry. Go ahead. No, go ahead. No, I was going to say, because Heather's like, hello, everyone. Welcome to my birthday party presented by the memory of Richard Marks, who sadly is still trapped in a closet in my basement. We couldn't find the key. So she's giving, like, her own little spiel to welcome everyone. And the staff comes out with the sparklers prematurely. And she's like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Oh, it's some premature ejaculation.

You know, after this event was done, she walked back. There was like, who was the one who decided to walk out first? You get over here. Get over here. You think you're clever. You think you're smart. How many plates do you ever? No, boo. You will never.

If you think you can do this to me, if you ever mess with me and my birthday celebration ever again, it will cost you a lot. And I am not just saying that. That is a threat. Poor Alfredo walked out of there with his hair on fire. Now we'll see who's sparkling early. Bah!

So she's like, well, you know, I would like to welcome you all to my birthday party, premature ejaculation, you have just seen me not fire somebody. I just wanted to say, I appreciate all of you. You are all my favorite things. If Oprah ever told me to look under my seat, I would find you. I know, Oprah. Thank you. Now, all of you assembled here, I want you to look to your right and look up,

and you will see I have attached a nice little picture of Drake in the upper right corner of this room, and now you know what it's like to live in my house, just to see Drake out there. Hi, Drake. Hi, neighbor Drake. All right. So now they dance, and Shannon's like, well, I'm not going to say I drop it like it's hot. I drop it like it's 60.

I'm sorry. I don't know if I understand this reference. Why do we drop? What is the itch that we're dropping and like it's hot? Is this a song? Gina's like, well, I can drop it like it's luke warm because like I'm here for a good time. Not a long time. That was for you, Drake.

Because, like, I don't want to, like, take Advil when I get home, because otherwise, tomorrow morning I'll wake up and I'll feel bad. Yeah. So then the next day, we see a close-up of a sign that says, For sale by Gina and Travis. So Gina's chopping pillows. She's, this is her HGTV moment. She's going to be selling a house.

And she's like, Travis and I crushed in real estate. We did, like, $10 million. dollars in business. It's because you had like most of that was Elizabeth Vargas's estate that she gave to you in Palm Springs, I'm sure. Because as far as we can tell, you're now selling like a like a two-bedroom house at a retirement community on Bravo. Like we're running and rolling.

And so you know how some some real estate people will put out like cookies and some we'll put out, you know, key chains with their face on them or whatever. We're putting out stress balls because, like, like, it's like you got to get, you know, it's like a metaphor because like, you like got to cross stress balls because like it's stressful, but also like our thing on the show is that Travis has big balls, so. Yeah, I don't know if she really thought this one through. It's like, hi, welcome to our house before we give you a tour. Here's a stress ball to hold on to before you see everything else.

It's like, what, what's, what's gonna happen in this house? It's haunted. So if you see a ghost, just squeeze the ball and you'll be okay. What are you taking my blood pressure? The retirement home. What the fuck is this? Gotta squeeze the ball. What does happen here?

Just quite, where you can stick a hose up my ass and check my colon two? Cheese. So wrong, I can't go to a house without holding a ball. I mean, enough already. Enough. So meanwhile, she's in a New York retirement community, apparently. Meanwhile, Jen and Ryan go to a dental place. And the nurse lady is like, oh, doctor, they love their uppers so much.

They want to do their lowers in time for a wedding. They just bring out the judge model. Bring out the judge model. She wants to make sure she has a triangular row of possum teeth in case there are any predators in the crime yard. Thank you so much. We really just want tamar teeth. Ryan's like, yeah, we're addicted to our teeth now, which sounds kind of fucked up if you think about it.

So Jen's talking about her like, you know, it's like, what's the O.C. Milf List is boobs, tummy talk, gee wagon, and veneers. So this guy, this dentist comes out who is just like, he's like in a brown shirt with like a random bow tie. Like I think he was like trying to look like a certain sort of way for the camera.

And it just was, he looked like he should have been selling like popcorn somewhere. Yeah, he was very like, the, the backstory to Orville, for sure. But he comes in and he lets them try on their lowers. I guess they have to wear them for a week to see if they like them or something. So they have like a mold that they put on. And then they show a before and after of Jen's molar or Jen's bottom teeth.

They're perfect. They were perfect before. Like, why does she? And they look exactly the same with the veneers. I'm confused. Are they just like, are veneers better because you don't have to take care of the porcelain as much? or is it easier? I'm not sure.

I just was really distracted by that hair clip that she'd put in right in front of her lower right tooth, just hanging out Tamara's hair just right there. It's like, really, girl. I just want to get one of Tamara's breast implants put in to my teeth. Is that possible? Single white dentures. So back over at Gina,

as Gina's like, oh, Tamara might stop by. I don't know if she qualified. So she shows the house and a guy's like, what, what I'm supposed to squeeze it? Ah, come over here. I mean, no, not me. Okay. All right. What is it supposed to be you?

Where's the lady from the picture? I just want to see the lady from the picture. That's me. No, no, the hot one. That's me. No, no, this one, right here. It doesn't look like you. What are you, her mother?

Get her out of school, tell her to come say hi to daddy. Okay, so I'm just going to ask you to tell her. take a seat on this chair here, and I was gonna lift you up to the second floor. Okay, goodbye. So then my grandma used to have one of those, and I loved it, and for some reason, like, we weren't allowed to ever, like, sit on it

and ride it up the staircase. I was like, but it was the most fun thing ever, the few times that we got to sit on it and, like, ride the chair up the staircase, ugh, it's my dream. There was a movie where, there was a horror movie where one of the ladies had one of those chairs. It was like poltergeist.

one of those extra i think polter guys and then she made the chair like fly up the stairs and out the roof or forget that and i think it was i love i love a slapstick haunting yeah i think it was like the lady who played flow on alice who is the one stuck in that chair and they just like yeah oh yeah it went around it was like a circular staircase right it was a it was a famous scene was like yeah it was polter guys too i don't i only saw i only saw the first poltergeist oh my god There's, I'm sorry, speaking as well, it's a big ass spider just, there's a spider crawling around my camera. Get out of them everywhere in this place. They just crawling everywhere.

Fucking California, there's spiders everywhere. Speaking of, Tamara comes into this scene and saying, Hi, everybody, it's me, it's just paid. So, tell me about you say, what do you have, like a group of something? Yeah, it's good. You got a lot of old people. I guess I could live here now. I'm old enough.

That would be fun. Everyone probably got a, you. UTI in here some. Hey, you got herpes? What you got over there? Where's Sandy? Where's Sandy? Where's my mom? No, really, where is she? I'm so distracted by this. Spider, get the fuck off my camera. Kill it. It's like, I don't want to, it's like, it's not really in a position to be. It's like, it's a weird. It's being very erratic. Okay, let me try to like, like let me try to use one you can do it I believe in you no the thing is this I'm

okay okay we were doing it I'm trying to brush it off of this that way I can get onto it okay oh now it's oh it's going crazy I just want to get it to the floor and then I can just go off but like don't get into my podcast and go up when I'm recording while I'm discussing Tamara judge I need this to be a spider-free environment so did it escape now it's on my desk scurring about it. Hit it. Hit it. I don't know where it is. Oh, there it is. Okay, now it's, oh, God, it went under the recording equipment. Okay, you know what? It's just going to live there. It's fine. Just don't be on my camera, sir. So a camera's like, yeah, everybody's got an CT in here for that spider's walking around with the big dick, looking there, put it in.

What's it now, lady? I feel in bad because that spider didn't even get to have a stress ball. So, Gina's like, I don't even understand how, like, you and Katie, like, even got into this pains. So then we go back to Ryan and Jen, and Ryan's like, yeah, I saw Katie and Shannon had a desktop, and Matt said we're leaving, and then Tamara made her thirsty entrance. God, thirsty Tamara. And Jen's like, well, I'm going to meet up with her because, you know, everyone says she's going through therapy. I just want to see if that helps, you know? Maybe it will.

Maybe it will. If it does, I'm going to set a huge bouquet of that doctor and say, you know, I'm going to set a huge bouquet of that doctor. say, thank you. Thank you so much for doing that. Thank you. Thank you so much. And he's like, well, I hope you're surprised, but you'll probably be disappointed. So then go back to Gina and she's like, you know, I've been trying to communicate to Jen, but she has anger from last year. And Tamara's like, yeah, I'm sorry. That's stupid. My reaction at that party was to Ryan. Even after Eddie said, let's move on, Ryan blasted him on social media. I mean, she's that girl who, wax out kind, but she talks shit.

When people tell you that they're kind, like, that they're kind, they're not kind, okay? So, ha, all you kind people, hey, ever try to have a kind bar? Guess what? They should call it a not kind bar, because kind things are not kind. Yeah, it's a mean bar. That's what that is. Hey, enjoy your mean bar. It's got lots of sugar in it, stupid.

But I love Tamara saying that people who tell you their kind are lying. Tamara, you spent a whole season trying to convince us that you're Christian. now so you went through it back you're actively going to therapy now to convince people that you're actually kind just damaged she's so foolish shit she goes oh yeah she can say stuff to me but then i did not do one little thing and I'm the devil you did not do one little thing first of all and yes you were the devil so then we go back to Ryan and he goes what did you even do to Tamara I don't get it she's like um I don't know but she's telling everyone I'm obsessed with her.

So then we see a clip. And of course, this was all started by Gina. Shocker. So Gina's like, oh, Jen, by the way, like, Tamara said, like, you wanted, like, to be Tamara. And, like, she said that you, like, put her in an actual old, you put it in her actual old hair extensions. Like, I mean, what the heck? We all look the same. And Jen's like, oh, my God.

Why would I want to be a woman like Tamara? I mean, I mean, look, Ryan, you said that there's a smit's jealousy there. He goes, yeah, there's jealousy. Have you seen Tamara? It's like a broom looking out. It's like a broom looking out over at a fleet of cars, you know? Yeah, poor riches. They're like, if only we can make cars levitate too.

Why do we get stuck with brooms? This thing doesn't even have a radio. These cars can be polished and plushed and vacuumed and waxed. We're just brooms. It's just like waiting for some bony ass to. squeeze us into flight. We should be sweeping things up, not flying across the countryside.

Jen's like, I mean, who is the one who asked for an inspo pick when you were getting a tummy tuck? That was you, honey. And we see a picture of that. You know, we have to get down to what happened. She's like, hey there, Jen, I'm trying to get a belly button,

put on. So I was wondering if I could use your belly button as an inspo pick. I love the placement. Love the placement of your belly button. Of course. So, Jen is like, we just have to get down to what happened. And she has to take ownership, you know?

She goes, you know, the lies just escalate. Like, I'm a stalker. I'm obsessed. She loves Ryan. I mean, now he's a cheater and has the FBI chasing him. And he steals money. Like, I just don't get it anymore. So now we go to Heather, who's wacky.

She's like, I am working with both Josh's from a million dollar listing LA, which has now been canceled. But they hired my son. So we're getting them back on TV. That's just, it's, it's a cycle. It's a, it's a TV star cycle. There are no better agents than Josh Altman and Flagg. I mean, they had a bit of a falling out, which you all remember from million dollar listing LA, right? We all, we all watch that show.

No. Can you roll the flashback? Anyone? Okay. Let's see footage of them having a scripted lunch together. Okay. Not even the people who watch Bravo for a living. Not even you.

Okay. No. Okay. Actually, I tried, you know, because usually I do stick with the million dollar listing, L.A.'s especially, but I just, I was like enough. I used to. Enough. I used to, but I made it halfway through. And I was like, I think selling sunset kind of killed it for me.

Because after selling sunset, million dollar listing just felt kind of stale, you know? And honestly, I just, I could not get on board with Josh Flag and Josh Altman. That was just too much. And like, honestly, I still, I just, I don't know. It's just so, you don't take on so much. it's dead it's dead it's so um they she walks through this house that she gutted and then left for dead because they didn't want to put any more money into it which i can't really blame them and um they put in floors and already the house is livable so boom you're done like it changed

it looks good yeah that was really fast too by the way yeah she's like well it's difficult to put a dime to it you know when you know like when it's a when's a failure but you have to do the numbers and I win. I win. Did you know that Heather was taking, first of all, Heather did like a community theater show or something and she's all, she also took classes at groundlings. Did you know that? I hope they put that on the air because I want to see Heather doing improv of groundlings. I have to see it. Okay, here's a sketch. It's called you're poor. Okay. So this lady, she's gorgeous and everyone wants to be just like her and she goes into a store, but everyone there is Poor.

Okay, and freeze. No, freeze. You were about to go in the wrong entrance. The service entrance is around the corner. So, let's see. So they talk about how they put in $45 grand. They do like a wacky scene. The guys are like, oh, I could sell it better than him.

Oldman's better than flag. Okay, so that was it. So then we go to the next scene, which is Tamara's house. Yes. By the way, I did like Altman saying that Heather was wedged, but sandwiched between LeBron and Drake. Oh, yeah. Because you know that she has no idea who LeBron is.

Oh, yes. LeBron, LeBron. As we all know, famous shoe designer or textiles. He does textiles. He's a... I love his paper towels. Love his favorite house. LeBron, as we all know,

president of Lebanon, right? Help me out here, someone. Commercials. Here comes one right now. So now we go to Tamara's house. So Tamara's going to check in with Sophia. So she's going to community college right now to get her general ED.

And from there, she wants to get, like I should say General Ed. general edie's said that eddie gives me i'm gonna say what is what are we doing here not another emily's storyline she wants to get the music in jesus she's also an entrepreneur and she buys her clothes online she's actually setting my clothes at well as well how isn't she amazing guys wow you're selling camera dresses online someone save this child this girl's too smart for this so sophia has her dress and she's like uh mom We need to get rid of this one.

I think Elmo wants his skin back. You're funny. Do another one. Oh, my God. It's like a gaudy funeral, mom. That's funny. Do you want to look like a worm? You're funny.

You're really funny. She buys her clothes at Goodwill. I don't know what that is, but she goes to it. And she does have a good sense of style. Like she's helping me like from my age, but I'm like not going to Goodwill. it's not going to happen. Don't have it, not going to it. So they want to do a tour of the Music Institute,

and Sophia doesn't want to, because she doesn't want to move out. She's like, Mom, I don't want to, like, spend $30 on eggs, okay? Like, and I have a cat. Like, I need a place that excess pets. And she's like, I feel like you're making excuses because you're afraid to go because you'd rather stay here and this

and your mom get banged by that guy from Costco in the dance area of the apartment. Yeah, and she's basically saying, like, I know it's scary, but you've got to do it because they basically become, like, codependent. And stopping Sophia from living her life. And so then we see two weeks earlier in therapy, Tamara would be like, when she decided she was going to L.A., cry, cry, cry. I couldn't even think about it. I would just break out in tears.

And I thought of not having her there every single day. Ha, ha, sad. I'm sympathetic America. And the therapist is like, wow, look at you. But you're going to help her out so much by all of this therapy you're doing. It's pronounced therapy. Don't fuck it up. The Robby.

Therapy, can't even pronounce it, it's the worst actor ever. I never should have had to take you from that groundlingy's class. You are doing the twerk. It's called doing the work. Doing the work, not the twerk. Yeah, therapy gets me tools,

and it makes me able to get up with things better. And that's right now. I got a potter's not to say, You're stupid bitch, you should have done it to me. I don't express myself. Yeah, Tamara is getting tools the way I buy tools, which is like usually an impulse buy on Amazon, and I put them in my closet,

and then it takes me about three years before every year. You know what? I really need to really buy a roto leveler. I'm going to get that right now. It's like, yes, you can have tools, but do you use your tools? That's a whole other question. I do not.

So this whole thing about her leaving, and then she starts crying because she's like, I have to go to be. I've never gone this song before, but, you know, my parents got divorced. That was so sad, remember? And then, you know, me and your dad, we're in a bad place. Remember him? Yeah, that's been real bad.

Maybe Sydney leaving, Sydney leaving. You need to come up with some new shit. Your parents got divorced, really. You're going to cry over your Simon divorce when you cheated on that man with someone who worked at his office and fucking, no, Tamara. Sorry. I couldn't even watch the White Lotus season one. there's a girl named Sweetie who is in it. I mean, Sidney, you know what I'm trying to say.

It's just flash back to therapy, please. Cry, cry, cry. Okay, is she so painful to not have your child around you? I can't wrap my brain around it. Whoa, whoa, wow. Yeah, you know, because I get triggered and stuff. I learned that in therapy, that word triggered. By the other thing, which is calling people dumb bitch.

And so she talks about Sidney moving out when she was 14 and never coming back. And when Sophia moves out, she's not leaving. but because she was traumatized by Sidney, now she still worries that Sophie is going to leave her. And she's worried that she'll never talk to her again. I don't know, just maybe be less horrible to her. And also, stop bringing up the daughter who doesn't want you bringing her up on TV. I mean, that's like a very simple way to not piss her off. Honestly, at this point, though, I have to say that daughter has to get over it.

Sorry. Listen, do you, where do you think your money's coming, young lady? Where do you think your money is coming from? It's from your mom going on to the television show. Is it? It's over. You're not a teenager anymore. You can have a relationship with your mom.

When someone's that toxic, I say cut the cold. Cut the cold. I felt like it was like very moody teenager. And now it's like, okay, you're in your 20s now. You can probably like, you know, it's time to move on. Because like until she moves on, we have to deal with it. So then we go to Pilates class. And Emily and Gretchen are there.

And Shannon shows up late. And they're like, we do this in Arizona. So then Shannon's like, oh, what? How do I do this? Oh, look at me. I'm losing my balance. This is, for those who wanted a sequel to Wacky Shannon eating wacky horses, here's Wacky Shannon doing wacky Pilates.

Oh, wow. Oh, look at me hanging upside down on a rope thing. Whoa! Oh, can I have a spring roll while I do this? Is that what they're called? Why don't they call them winter rolls? Blah! Wow.

I feel like. a winter spring roll right now because I'm wrapped in cloth. I'm so confused. It's kind of like a sexual position. Ah, Earl the Pearl wishes. So they're being wacky and then instructors like, loosen your grip ladies slither like a snake. And she goes, oh, that would be Katie.

So then we go to a coffee bar where Katie is joining Gina and Heather. And what sort of trap is this? I don't understand why Gina and Heather are being nice to Katie because Heather hated Katie all of last year. and was like the main person who hated katie and now this year she's the one who's like trying to later on she says i just want you to have a win like what is happening like what is the what is the end game here for for heather she must have there must be a bigger fish to fry that she's she's angling for what is the what is what sort of pawn is she that's what hither

does she shows she'll pretend to be nice to you listen to you say some stuff twist it take it back to tamara and watch Tamara tear her limb from limb okay well that that works so katy joins and uh jean's like oh my god you like match this place oh my god because they serve matcha here that's so hilarious for me so katy asked him how the rest of the night was and um heather you know has just two eggs did you notice that eggs yeah i did well she had like a little salad an avocado salad on the side in a little bowl. But I noticed how they eat. And I was like, this is why,

whenever you really pay attention to how the super thin ones eat, this is why they're thin. I mean, Katie comes and she's like, I'll have a tea and a cucumber salad. I mean, that's just like a little tiny side of cucumbers, you know? Tiny, that's all she eats.

So Heather's like, can I ask, what happened when you guys left my wonderful party? Gina's like, yeah, because Tamara said that your husband yelled, huh? And Katie's like, Matt yelled. her um and then we see like flashbacks right like and kitty's like that's hilarious and we see that absolutely he's not yelling at her at yeah going he literally goes you started it you're gonna pretend like you care yeah that was it screaming abuse so um katy's like yeah tamera puts out a half

truth so when you come back and argue you look like the liar and then we go back to pilates and they're all getting affirmation cards oh god so um Did you brand me an affirmation card at Pilates? I will shove it up your ass. I don't want a card after I've worked out. Gretchen's card had like an image of like three cacti. One was winking at her. One was yawning.

And then it said, I forgive myself for past mistakes and failures. Well, thank you to this tribunal of like bored and winky cacti for giving you this affirmation. You hand me a card after Pilates. It better be a gift certificate. It's like a gift card to Baskin Robbins. or I will fucking murder you with the card. Affirmation card.

Well, have you had, Gretchen, have you had a conversation with Tamara? Tamara Judge? Gord's like, no, I don't have this desire to be friends with Tamara Judge. It's like, but if you can have some sort of resolution, don't you want to do that? She's like, well, why would I even set myself up? Because maybe there's a chance that she would surprise you. I mean, Emily, you're the one who's in like a stupid ass feud with kids. Katie over this nanny

situation, like the same thing could have been said to you. But I mean, Tamara literally just walked in with Joe and they're like, well, won't you give Tamara another chance? Okay, guys. And these infractions are so much worse than anything that Emily is accusing Katie of doing.

Yes, and so Gratson's like, even if she said, I'm sorry, I still wouldn't believe her because it's been 15 years. Shannon's like, well, there is a repeated history of patterns. I mean, how many times do you have to put yourself in a position to get hurt. Although, based on this class, apparently it's 25 times.

Thanks a lot, instructor. So, Emily's like, well, what about Katie? Well, I said, I said what I needed to say to Katie, and I'm not going to talk to her anymore. I'm not going to open it up again and be stupid. I absolutely will not. Well, speaking of feeling stupid, I was trying to defend Katie,

and I went to bed, and I was struggling with that, because I really like her a lot. Well, if she videotaped me, I guarantee you, She has recorded each and every other of you. She's recorded everything. So you've seen the clip that's been going around all week of Ireland when Shannon and Heather were recording Kelly having a meltdown in that hallway, right? Not only did I see that clip when you were on vacation. I think I mentioned it or maybe we even talk.

No, no, I think it was before you were here. No, maybe I don't remember. But we brought it up on, it was brought up on this show. Like you're all, you guys are all in a tizzy about Katie. but it was Heather Debrough who videotaped Kelly Dodd in Ireland Yeah, hypocrites And of course the whole

I guess people would argue, well, she didn't take it to Alexis, who cares? They videotaped it to put it on TV And that was also the episode where they were trying to make her Get drunk and look stupid and all this They're such hypocrites on this show Yeah, I agree So back over the coffee shop, Heather's like Well, I have to ask you another thing, Kitty.

Did you meet up with Kiki? Monique. And Katie's like, yeah, I mean, we had lunch. I mean, I met her when we went to that event in L.A. You know, that event? No, I don't. But she was, you know, she's really funny. She's what a hilarious young lady. And I heard you were asking Kiki to put out stories to hurt us. And Katie's like, I did not. Who did you hear that from? Tamara. Of course. What a shocker. It's Tamara. So then two days earlier, Tamara was saying, Katie, contact to somebody that has a radio show and she's got a podcast and she asks this girl to repeat something

that I'm not going to repeat. It is so bad. It is so, so, so bad. I'm all repeated. I'm not repeat. Stop making me daddy repeat. I'm repeating. Prove it. Never did I do that. Never. You know, I have listened to Kiki Monique for years. I mean, it's got to be 10, 15, 25 years she's been on the radio. I listen to her all the time. And I thought she was a cool, down-home journalists. And the producer's like, well, did anything about the other ladies come up? No. I mean, why, if I went to lunch with someone who's on Radio Andy,

why would we ever talk about Bravo? Okay, so are they going to play a clip of this Kiki Monique show where Kiki has all this inside scoop that she heard from an anonymous source? Because otherwise, shut up. I mean, I don't doubt she sat there and talked shit with Kiki. Like, her name is Kiki. Of course you talk shit with Piki. It's literally her name.

The instructions are in the name, okay? Yeah. But Piki also has relationships with a lot of those people, so I doubt that she's going to be going around getting messy like that. No. And I think that, like, all of these Real Housewives go around and talk to everyone about everyone. And now they're going to just make it seem like Katie is like some vile mole or whatever. Like, I don't care.

I don't care if she did bring up anything. I don't care if she said anything to Kiki to get her to repeat it. It's still so funny to me that they're angrier at Katie for allegedly trying to get Kiki to say something on the air versus Tamara, who just does say things on the air. Yeah. So Heather's like, I mean, look, Katie, no one knows what to believe anymore. Some of us, including myself, we sit back and we say, hmm, what's next? It's hard to know. Like, are you poor?

Are you really poor? I can't even tell anymore. It's so hard. All I know is that when I see you on my ring cam, I hide in one of my very large closets. That's all I know. Poor people are coming for us all. So Katie is like, look, I owned all the stuff

that I'm being accused of doing because I did them. I'm not denying anything, but I'm denying this geeky thing. This did not happen. And she's like, I mean, it's like a game of telephone. Everything's twisted, and that's not what happened. And Genuans, Gina's like, I genuinely, like, want to want Katie to, like, have a triumphant moment. But, like, the problem is she's only told consistent lines. Like, it's a bad.

It's bad. It's so bad. It's so bad. Listen, I've tried to be in your corner, Katie, starting three seconds ago and ending now. But I don't know if I could do this anymore. That was a very tough three seconds. And he's like, I appreciate that. I mean, I even told Gina that, that I appreciated those three seconds you're in my corner.

And I would love, oh, I would love for you to score just like, what's his name, Bon Leroy? What's my neighbor's name? Marriott boy. The bond bond person, you know, the guy who came up with the little ice creams in the chocolate. God, I love those. I'm so proud of him every time he scores. So, by the way, Heather, since when have you been in Katie's corner and why would you, why would you love her to score? I swear she has, I'm just trying to parse it out.

Because like, I know the reason why Tamara's going hard at Katie, because Tamara's going hard at Katie because she can tear apart one of Shannon's new allies. Because ultimately, it always comes down to Tamara versus Shannon, right? So Tamara has one on that front. She has now, Shannon doesn't really have anyone on this show at this point. She's just sort of like alone. She has no buddies. Not teen and Emily. They're on team Tamara.

Heather's a, it's always up and down with Heather and Shannon. There's no one left for Shannon. So Tamara has won that one. But Heather, I'm just, I think is Heather now going to try to go after Tamara? Because Heather can't go after Tamara on her own. Do you think that's what's happening here? She wants some bolden Katie to go after Tamara. No, she's not being nice to Katie.

Or you think it's just that you want set up Katie for failure. Is it a trap? No, she is, she's having a scene with Katie to confront her about the blog, things. She's only, she's only being nice for this one scene so she can make Katie look stupid by accusing her a blogger stuff and now she's going to disappear. I just like to like go hang out with this narrative. I like to make it seem like it's much more exciting than it is. I think that Gina was just like, I'm not going there alone with her guys. And Emily's like, oh, I'm not going. Are you kidding? I'm cooking an egg in my purse. So Heather's like, I'll do it. I'll add that little

snitch for all the bloggery blogger lies. Yeah, she's just therapy cameras dirty work. So now we have some clips of things going on around the county. So at Shannon's house, she's with Archie, and she's like, well, I'm going to bring Archie to the beach. But Archie, I'm bringing bread because you're going to get diarrhea. We all know it. So have some healthy bread. You're going to get some nice, delicious Ezekiel bread, just like every dog loves.

Then we go over to Gretchen's, and she's cooking with Slade and her little twin daughter. And she's like, oh, my God, Slead, we already had all of her tools. Why did you buy her more cooking tools? And it's like, that's like me saying, what? You bought a dress? You already have a dress. What I'm trying to say is women, no matter what the age, are basically like children, am I right? So then we go to Katie's house.

Hey, where did her nose go? You have that removed last week, Gretchen. Oh, right. Well, it looks good. Yeah. I like, by the way. It's a toast wedding. I can't smell.

the toast has been ready it just got we we face tuned the toast as well so it's just that bluer i like her mad at jean and emily for saying that gretchen looks so face tuned but like we're all like she's so face tuned well so katie is katie's house we sort of settle in on katie's house and katie is telling matt she's like well i met with gina and heather and gina was actually great uh because she didn't really talk very much oh what a relief She was like, I can see from both sides how you feel. And she's like, I'm in a middle spot. I'm like, I get that.

They also dropped this bomb on me. Tamara apparently told Heather that I'm using this girl Kiki to plan stories about them. And I said, prove it. Show me. Matt's like, whatever. You're perfect in this house. Like, seriously? Like, Tamara judges in this friend group and you're the untrustworthy one.

Okay. Okay. Can we just go to bed? Please. Let's just go to bed. So then we go to Tamara and Jen's big meetup, don't And Tamara's like, there's so many other things I could be doing right now. I could be praying.

I could be praying to Satan. I could be praying to Jesus. I could tell, I could tell Jesus all the mean shit Satan said. I could tell Satan that Jesus calling fat. I don't know what Jen wants to say to me, but I'm hopeful we can move forward. Because if it's something, because if I said something I shouldn't have, I already apologize for what else do you want for me? That's therapy talking. That's how you know you're healed.

so Jen Jen comes up She's like hi And Tamara goes Oh hi I have that belt Stocking Which is

Yeah That's what she's trying to say But Jen's like Oh my God I'm obsessed Yeah Obsessed With me bitch

Well thanks so much For meeting me Yeah well What do you want to talk about Well hi A lot actually I know that you're You know you're going through a lot

And I know there's a lot And I know there's a lot Going on with Teddy And all the girls are telling me How heavy that is on you How could you use the H word Okay you're not allowed to say that this cast. Sorry, sorry, sorry. I can only imagine. I'm telling you called the heavy. I'm telling

it. I just want to ask you so many questions and I want to know that you're going to answer me honestly. Oh yeah? Why wouldn't I answer you honestly? Come on. Charmy. Try me stupid. I'm always honest. I'm always. Always me. I'm always honest. She goes, okay. So where did it all go wrong for you? Where did our friendship fall apart, Tamara? I just don't understand. She's like, Well, we went south, which we went to dinner at Katie's house, and I admitted I was an asshole, okay? And I went off on Ryan, and then Ryan called Eddie a baby bitch, so it's not so innocent. No, you started it, and people stood up for themselves, Tamara. That's not the same thing.

Like, you went way hard. You came with machine guns to a balloon fight. You went on TV and brought this FBI thing onto the TV show. You know, that's the thing on these shows. people are upset get upset when people bring sort of stuff that's lurking the background onto camera people don't like that you know and so jen's like yeah well you run around about the fbii then you make allegations that my home with my children was raided yeah and you say can say whatever you want because if anybody says anything back they're the bad ones i'm like that's

she didn't say it it's you it's you who's saying it's you it's you oh oh oh oh God. So you're going to say that to my husband that say that my husband doesn't have a job and doesn't make any money. I had built up anger about that. Okay. Does your husband have a job and does your husband have any money? Because it looks like he's following you around, sucking off your teeth. Wasn't that the storyline last year?

It's like, yeah, and he's not really doing anything with himself ever since cut fitness clothes. So I just want him to do something because he's getting really upset because he doesn't have a job. Yeah. I'd say, say my husband doesn't have a job and didn't do anything. So, Jen's like, let's go this way, okay? Because this maybe will work better for you. And she goes, Don't bit fucking condescending to me, okay?

I don't know who the hell you think you are, but you're not. You're not whoever you think you are. It's somebody else. Maybe it's something who doesn't remember who she is. She just woke up. She doesn't need you. She's going to realize her husband was doing it the whole time.

No, I'm Jen. I'm Jen. I remember who I am. Jen Petrante. Yeah, I do. You're not amazing. I do remember. Thank you so much for reminding.

me to remember. Oh, yeah. You think you're somebody that's so above like you told Heather to bro. So last week, we go back to that pub and Jen goes, Heather, why do you lower yourself? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, to be someone who will videotape one of our friends?

And so Tamara's like, oh, yeah, well, I'm not the one of it's evicted. What about that? And she goes, okay, does it make you feel better that I got evicted? No, but you can't say that I'm lower because you're lower than me because you got evicted. She's like, and she's like, yeah, you got caught. Caught what?

Cheating? Yeah. You've never cheated before, Tamara? Maybe. I do hear stories. Oh, now you didn't cheat. Suddenly you didn't cheat. No, I left Simon for Eddie.

And I was no, no, no cross ever. She goes, well, I did the same as Will. I happen to find one of Simon's best friends that he worked with in the same office, but there was no overlapping at all. And I said the same thing with Will, and I never said that I didn't cheat on Will. Okay, so it was the first time or the second time? Because now Tamara's run out because everything that she's trying to get to Jen at, like, Jen's like, yeah, okay, what else? And so she's like, okay, well, there was a, um, um, um, um, second time. Now I'll just make stuff up.

Yeah, now I'll just, now I'll just straight up make stuff up. So she's like, what are you talking about? And she goes, you don't want to bring it up. And she goes, well, I don't know what you're talking about. Oh, come on, Jen. You don't know. So the producer asked Tamara what she knows. And she's like, um, is there any question?

Is there any difference between going to someone who's on Radio Andy and saying, I heard something. And like, maybe you can put it on your show versus going to a producer and saying, I heard something, maybe you can put it on our show. I don't think there is a big difference. I guess our argument would be that they will fight for themselves and use themselves as, you know, their weapons. But when you go use the media as your weapon,

that is super, super low. Fair. So Jen's like, I don't have any clue what you're talking about. But to be fair, I also rarely have any clue about what anyone's talking about. Deny, deny, deny, deny, deny. What is this allegation that you're pulling out of your rabbit hat. She says, well, there are some rumors that there was another guy at a yoga

studio that she got in vows with. Oh, God. Like, seriously, okay, then who is it? Where is it? Who told you, Tamara? But of course, she's not. It's just a rumor. It could be wrong. She can't get in trouble for it. And Jen's like, I don't even know who you are. She goes, oh, yeah, well, I don't care if you know who I am. Then that is me, okay? Like, if you're going to keep poking at me, then yeah, I'm going to tell you. I'm going to tell you. We're going to tell you. There she is. She's back. There she is. She's back. And now I'm obsessed with you. Like, what am I, a single white female? I mean, do you tell people I'm obsessed with you? And she goes, oh, well, that was weird shit. Back in the day, like putting my old hair extensions, putting your head. What about that? How do you know about that? Because you told me.

Yes. What's weird is how you twist shit, because you want to make other people look so beneath you. Ha-ha. You're the one who's trying to make someone lower now. And it's. It's mind blowing. So Jen explains that, yes, she put Tamara's hair in her head, but for like a second because she was playing and she didn't leave the salon with it. She just was like there and like someone was like, hey, that's Tamara judge's hair. So she put it in as a gag and had fun with it. So it's hilarious how Tamara does twist it to make her seem like a lunatic when it's actually was a benign joke.

Like Tamara, I don't know if you've ever seen your hair, but nobody's clamoring to get it put on their head. Yeah, okay, Jesus Christ, unless it's like a scarecrow trying to scare off some crows. Girl, nobody is looking for that on purpose. This is like when Ashley put on Karen Huger's wig, you know, like, like, and start walking around. They'd have to distress the, they'd have to distress the fake hair to even look correct on your head. No one can reuse that. You know, if I die in the middle of the night of stab wounds, it's her.

She's going to stand over my bed and stab. It's going to happen one day. I swear to God. So Jen's like, they said Tamara was in the chair next to you and she just came in and we're all laughing. She just tells, she explains it all. And she was like, but you want to twist it like I sewed your hair in my head like it gave me some sort of joy. She goes, yeah, but you go to my doctor and get your face redone. You go to my gym because you saw I did a fitness competition.

Tamara, you literally advertised. You did the fitness competition to advertise your gym. And now you're mad that people actually came in from your marketing. that's such a good point and Jen's like your gym was one mile from my yoga studio how dare you how dare you put yourself on that much of a pedestal and say I came looking for you

you did you did come looking for me he did she goes oh you're so special you're so sick how's your therapy listen I didn't come to your gym I didn't know shit about you you're a fucking sick Tamara Tamara and I'll say it again she goes don't call me sick you can't call me sick

I got stuff You're fucking sick You can't do that You can't use my sickness against me I'll catch you She's using my mental disabilities against me She's calling me all type is sick I can't

That's unfortunate I wish you all the luck in the world But that's not cool 127 toothpicks One hundred and 27 toothpicks Tamara Step one is admitting you have a problem Step two is actually fixing it

So Tamara's like You know what The old Tamara would have laid into her. But you know what? What she thinks about me is her problem so she can fuck off. I don't want anything to do with her. I don't want to see. I just don't see where Jen and I can move on.

I like how she's like, the old Tamara would have laid into her. I'm like, was that not what we just? You did. Here's what the old Tamara would have done. She would have laid into her, denied everything. And then when she couldn't win the argument, run away like a little wuss like you just did. You're the same old Tamara girl. You're the same one.

And so meanwhile, Jen sees a therapy dog. She goes, oh, my gosh, is that a therapy dog? Can I hug it? Oh, my God. Get over here, therapy dog. Get over here. She's just hugging the dog. She's hugging the tamra storming out.

Jen, like the definition of villain edit versus hero edit is like Tamara storming off, Jen cuddling a random adorable dog. And the dog starts chewing on her hair. And she goes, well, at least it's not Tamara's hair. I mean, you keep chewing on this hair. It's going to look like Tamara's clip hands again. so save me the argument dog thank you so much thank you so much for eating my hair so next week the new orleans trip happens and we're going to see what this shit show is all about but um wow like

it's it's really astounding to see that jen's so composed and so so so easily dismantling tamera it's it's shocking i didn't know she would be the one it was lovely loved every second of it So, yeah, we're one step closer to Tamara, being like, Ah, queer, you never see me. Loved it. All right, everybody. Thanks so much for being with us this weekend. We'll be back Monday night, or Monday afternoon, 4 p.m. Pacific time for Amazon Live.

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