Watch What Crappens - #3033 RHOC S19E14: Cowpoking the Bear

Episode Date: October 10, 2025

Lie detector test loving Emily hosts another fundraiser for the Innocence Project on Real Housewives of Orange County, and Tamra skidattles out of a confrontation with the hairiest housewife of all time: Slade. You can watch this recap on video, listen to our bonus episodes, and participate in live episode threads at patreon.com/watchwhatcrappens.  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Ho-down Throwdown. And I just want to say, before we get into it, Wendy, and Eddie getting arrested. We are aware of it and we talk about it in depth on the Miami recap, which we actually released before this. So if you're wondering like, why are they addressing it? Then my question is, why are you not a Miami fan? But no, for real, uh, if you are wondering where that is, it's over on our Miami recap. There's actually a live stream going on right now about it. The cops are in the live stream, but we're not watching it because we're doing this instead. Wow. We care about you more than we care about Wendy. Damn it.

Wow. Well, this is going to be a good scandal. This is going to be a good one that unfolds. I think it's going to get worse as it unfolds. This will be, it's not a scandal of all, but it'll sort of have those elements where like it's, it's not going to, this is not just a open and shut case. There's going to be more to it, I believe. Well, we'll see. And hopefully we can have a crossover because here we are talking about the Innocence Project.

So what a day for that to come out, huh? Uh, so sweeping drone shot. Okay, here we are. Real Housewives of Orange County, Tamara is sitting in a bar at a restaurant called Verde. Which for those of you who aren't like bilingual, that means green. Yeah. And she's like, I think I might need a glass of chardonnay, even though I made a whole big speech about how I'm not drinking anymore because I've become crazy when I drink. And the last time I drank, I went crazy at dinner in New Orleans.

But I'm still going to have a glass of chardonnay, please. And here comes Katie Janella. in slow motion. Don, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, Katie, Janella. And then we see flashbacks of things that have been happening.

Nobody trusts Tamara, et cetera, et cetera. So here we go. Flashback, flashback. Lots of flashbacks. Tons of flashbacks. Yeah. Flashbacks. Because it's basically like previously on, right?

So Tamara and Katie are sitting there. And Katie's like, well, either Slate is her mouthpiece or Gretchen is really, really good. Yeah, she always to tell lies about me. I'll talk shit about you. I'm done double dipping. I don't understand the double dipping part,

but sure. There's nothing to do with tortilla chips. Let's go to Bluebird Mercantile Boutique. Man, this town has no shortage of shit boutiques to go to. They really, nothing about boutiques in this county. Nothing but shitty, shitty boutiques. They're just all lining up waiting to be filmed in. Yeah.

You know, everyone talks about like, well, you know, because of the internet and Amazon and all these things like the mom and pop stores are closing. Go to Orange County because they're there. Bluebird Mercantile Boutique. It's there. Before we do that, can we talk about Katie for a second? The seating chart for the reunion came out. And the day before, I think it was Andy or just Bravo had teased the seating. chart like who's going to sit where and uh i think a lot of people thought that katie might actually

get the first seat uh she actually wound up in the fourth seat how do you do you think that katy is what seat do you think katy should be in for the reunion i'm surprised she's not on the end because i would assume that they would only bring her out for part of the reunion right oh yeah yeah i'm guessing it that's correct because they're only going to bring her out for part she won't be out there the whole reunion right she won't just bring her on i don't think so I would think that they'd just be like, oh, she was in half the season, so she'll come out, you know, like Alexis. Wasn't Alexis only on part of the season? They'll probably give her a friend of treatment where they bring her out for a little bit.

I don't know, because she was, but she was a housewife. I'm trying to remember how they treated Tinsley because Tinsley left midway through her season, or Kim Zolciak. Like, were they, did they, were they there the whole reunion? So I personally thought Katie was going to be first or second seat. And it's not because I'm like, yeah, it's team Katie. It's because I feel like actually a huge part of the season and the discussion and the attention of this season of Orange County has been about Katie. So I thought based on that, I actually generally thought that Katie was going to be higher up. I mean, I get your your, your POV makes sense.

If she's only going to be out for part of it, they wouldn't they wouldn't have her in the first seat. But I don't know. I'm like, I have to say I'm a little surprised, a little surprised. Oh, yeah. I don't think they're going to have wrong much because they're just going to have that basic one fight with her. Like, did you lie to Kiki Monique or did you tell Kiki Monique? I mean, what seat is Kiki Monique in? That's a great question as well.

Where is she? Yeah, she needs to be on the other fourth seat. Fine, fine. We weren't for Kiki. We wouldn't have had this whole like, because it was it was the Kiki telling her friend and the friend gossping to so and so. and oh la la la like that's you know like we wouldn't have even had this entire massive fallout i'm like i mean katie was definitely on the ice as it was but like yeah i was gonna have to start adding they're gonna have to start adding like a messy blogger box where they just throw all the

whoever gets accused that season of of causing crap in the blogosphere the podcastosphere or radio sphere just thrown in there so they can have their say to you but just sit in a chair in the audience yeah yeah we're in the bluebird mercantile boutique and Gretchen and Emily are shopping for cowgirl attire. And Emily's like, what are you wearing? Listen, if anybody else asked that question, I would think it's a legit question. But Emily, you dressed like a crazy person as well. I don't know that anybody on Orange County is really in the place to judge fashion.

Yeah, we saw the previews for next week in Amsterdam. I really don't think you're in any place to talk about fashion. That being said, Gretchen looks crazy. And Gretchen's like, well, I'm, like, attracted to anything girly and colorful and a fun vibe. Gretchen, there's nothing about your fashion that says fun. There's nothing about your Megan Kelly hair that says, great times, like the super fun girl, like your trad wife, vintage, Stapford wife thing. Even if you're doing it ironically, it might be ironic. There's nothing fun about it.

Your fashion, kids, I'm calling the police on people I don't recognize in my neighborhood. most likely minorities okay yes that is the look that's the look you've got you're giving very laura ingram like the other day aOC made some comment about all the shit that's going on and uh laura ingram was mocking her i just saw a clip of it i wasn't watching laura ingram don't worry but she's like oh my god what are we listening to a person in a hoodie i mean yeah that's real professional i'm just gonna sit around here my hoodie what is she in a hoodie i was like call the police laura that's like that's a reason for you to fucking call the police right there yeah so gretton i think is giving that vibe like what are we in a hoodie what are we in a hoodie so emily saying it's and how fun

emily's like she looks like she just got out of a covered wagon on the organ trail so emily's like well i no longer practice law but however i will definitely say that i'm a lawyer when it comes to prosecuting people like katy but the innocent center allows me to be involved in law in a human, humanitarian way. So I'm doing a fundraiser to pay for Anthony, a recent exonerie to go to mechanic school. Also, he's kind of hot. So we, we, we, he is kind of hot. He's pretty hot.

Yeah, he is kind of hot. He's hot. We only help hot people here. Hot innocence. For him to follow his dream and make something of himself. Um, you know, I also stand for lie detectors. I just wanted to get that out there. So Gretton's like, I stand for guilty.

I stand for guilty. you until a proven innocent when it comes to this friend group. But when it comes to incarceration, innocence first. How's the event last night? And we see Tamara's little cake party thing. It was a shit show. Okay, remember when we played that game in L.A.

where we asked a question who we trust the lease? Yeah, the game that you started and that you came up with and that you made everyone answer and now we're trying to make drama out of it. Yeah, Emily, I remember. Mm-hmm. And you guys, oh, lordy. So now we cut to Las Prysas. Didn't we eat there once, Ronnie?

Or am I in Laguna Beach? Las Brises. Is that where we had the buffet? No, that was like the Pelican something, another. Okay, well, never mind. Really uninteresting question on my end. So Tamara and Gina sit at a table. Gene's like, how are you?

And Tam's like, I'm so sick of this shit, Gina. Tamara is in the full tortured victim. uh state of mind this episode and society she really is she's like i'm conscious that's a hard goddamn difficult time of my life one of my best friends has had tanta and that sophia's after college and it just seems like nobody cares sophia's learning song structure and i'm all alone in the world that's you god isn't isn't that the worst when someone's going through the hardest time of their life and no one cares hey can we watch last season again god i loved last season and how tamra was so supportive of Shannon at her low point.

Jeez. And I love that she compares a friend having cancer and her daughter going to music school. I know. Come on, Tamara. Now we're away. So, Gina's like, well, last night when you were vocalizing your feelings in your kitchen. And we cut to the vocalizing. She said, God damn, I quit this show.

I hate all these stupid bastards, bastards. Yeah. It literally flashed me back to Vicki's engagement party. You remember that? Want to show that clip also at it does? And this was when Tamara was hiding in the bushes, fake sobbing, going like, I can't even come in a business again, bitch. Yeah, it hit me that, like, the last time you were having, like, a very incredible, like, heavily stressful.

Yeah. Like, I have to have compassion for you because I see that. And Gretchen was, like, like, wildly inappropriate with the thing she said in L.A. But, you know, like, you're just so reactive to it. But when is enough enough? When is it enough? Wait, when do people say, no? Stop being Tamara.

The sweetest, most innocent person in this grief. Yeah, but you could be mad at Shannon and Jen and Gretchen. But, like, Emily, like, she loves you. And when you're wrong, Heaven has your back. So, like, even, like, even when you're wrong, like, you gotta be nice to, like, the people that I like. But just yell at the other people. But for you to say that you can't trust me, I'm extremely hurt. Like, how could Heaven say she gets doesn't trust me after I just happened to take a comment that she made a BravoConwans and twist it into a whole thing and make the entire ass hit her for a whole season?

Why would she not trust me? And then we cut back to Gretchen and Gretchen's like, Every time Tamara's called out about something, she runs off and says she's not going to do this and she's not going to do that. Yeah, I think she only left the room like five times last night. Then we did see. Tamara trying to quit her own party, but since it was in her house, she had to keep coming downstairs. I quit. I've gone upstairs. Well, I'm downstairs again. But guess what? I quit again. I'm going back upstairs. This is the last time you ever see me film. Get a close up on my face because you're never going to see it again. Hey, I just came down to get some milk. How guys we're filming again? I'd never film it again after I get this glass of milk, bitch.

She's a kitty on the rest of development. Take a good look at the last time you'll see these. I'm done. I'm done. I was cracking up. Emily's like, yeah, just because I was honest with her. And even Heather agreed with me.

It wasn't just me. No one trusts her. So now here comes Heather, speaking of which, hello, television's Heather DeBrow as this has to join you at Las Bresas. So like, oh, you look beautiful. But then, like, Tamara doesn't say hi or anything. So Heather's like, okay, all right.

Let me, let's talk about this a little bit more. Okay. Like, I understand, okay, I love you, Tamara. I, you are my friend. It's like, well, you've made the gas academy. You didn't believe that you don't trust me. So why would you ever have your friends with me? Just some lowly, scary, untrustworthy person in the corner.

My turn. My turn. Okay. I explained it last night and I'll explain it again. Here we go. Can I please get some shamps over here? I've got to explain things to my friend. You see how need to be condescending?

Still me. Still me. I'm not being condescending. And if you had any sort of education, you would realize that. But I explained it. Debbie, you said that in front of question. And Gretchen claps on to any information. It makes it worse.

That makes it worse, Heather. Well, I'm sorry if that hurt you in your small three-celled brain. But if you think I'm brushing over things that she does, I am not. I'm encouraging them. I even told her she's using Slade very conveniently to do her dirty work, much like how I use Alfredo to take out the garbage, which is also true dirty work. I think you're too just trust each other. That's like the answer.

Everybody needs to just trust each other. Oh, well, I appreciate you apologizing. I just have to work through it. This is the last time you'll ever see me order. Tune to start talking, bidsit. Whoa, back to Bercadol! Well, apparently Tamara reached out to Katie to talk, and it has to do with you, Gretchen,

because all of a sudden, Katie, a known pathological liar has credibility? That's ridiculous. Why even hear her through? Why even hear Katie's full side of the story without yelling at her? Anyway, Innocence Project Party later tonight. Yeah, Tamara, like all of a sudden,

you're going to believe Katie because it fits your narrative. Yeah, well, I told her, if you meet with her, we're going to have a real fucking problem. I said that to her. And that's why she's pissed at me. And then this morning when I was mowing her lawn, I said, don't forget. And then I was filling up her car with gas. I was like, do not meet with Katie. I like Gretchen thinking that she really had like this smart observation about how like Tamara's

going to believe, is going to believe Katie because it fits her narrative now. It's like, yeah, that's what people do when something fits their narrative. they're going to believe the things that support their view on life. Like, not saying it's going to be wrong, but like, yeah, Gretchen. Right, which is why you were befriending Katie when Katie was fitting your narrative of coming for Tamara and everybody else. And then you dumped her the second that she wasn't towing the party line anymore. Gretchen. Gretchen really, Gretchen has really botched her return.

I mean, we said it before, but like, I feel like we were all on Gretchen's side of the beginning of the season. and now Gretchen is the villain and somehow like I'm on Tamara's side like this is so warped I don't get it So she's like Emily's like yeah that's why she's pissed to me because I told her and Gretchen jokes Like see you're the problem

You're the shitster She was like making a lighthearted joke at Emily And Emily's like oh but that is not fair I'm not talking crap about people She goes yeah but like even like Slate said that rumor about Tamara but I said you know like I'm not even sure I believe that Wait you brought up something

defamatory. Emily can't help it. Like, she's just going to fight with everybody. Like, you're supposed to be having... But she's right here. She is right, but it's like, oh my God, you can't fight the whole world. Also, you're starting all of this stuff, Emily, by taking it back to everybody and then getting mad when shit hits the fan. And also, like, notice the grace that Emily gives Gretchen over and over again when Gretchen's either lying or being slippery with the truth or like, well, well, make coming up with workarounds. And yet with Katie, it's She has to be kicked out of the group. Like, to me, this is a double standard, and I think it's a problematic double standard.

So Gretchen is like, no, nothing's defamatory here. Let me show you something. What? Are you going to pull up a podcast or an article? This is what you and Tamara both do. You get out your phones, you pull out a podcast, you pull out an article. And if it were Katie doing it, I'd have you kicked off the show. But since it's you, go ahead.

You need to take accountability. For what? For participating and encouraging it. I wasn't encouraging anything. Uh-huh, you were saying play the song. Yeah, the song. No, you were saying you wanted to hear the sex thing too. That's why you called Slade.

Emily, this is all on camera, ma'am. But honestly, I don't even think Emily is at fault for saying that because Gretchen drops this bomb. Like, she's got tea. Yeah, like Tamara was having a fair. She's singing the song. She's having a fair. And then she did. And like, yeah, let's hear it.

You know? I mean, Heather was the only one who was like, I don't care about the sex stuff. Yeah, but I can't pick sides because they're just all so terrible. Like, yes, Gretchen brought it up on camera. Emily was telling her we want to hear it. But also, you're right. Gretchen brought it up on camera. So they're going to have to talk about it.

It's like Gretchen. And I think that they wanted to get this off. Yeah. But wasn't it Slade who said, Slade was the one who said that the micro salon when they were having sex, right? Yeah. Yeah. I don't remember the exact sequence of events.

She fucked, um, that she fucked, um, that she fucked Nelson. and then they called Slade and Slade said that the recording kept going or something and they heard them boning in the background or whatever. I don't remember the specific sequence of like play the song

find or whatever. But what we do know is that Emily and Heather were both like you got to play that song in the beginning before Slade came on. You got to play that song of like Tamara trying to sing. And I think that's honestly that is totally a reasonable thing.

Like if there's some recording of Tamara trying to sing that's out there and Gretchen is like, yeah, we have this recording, then I don't think Emily should be, like, accused of, like, egging on trying to defame Tamara. Like, no, you drop the tea and you said it happened while she's having an affair. And Emily's like, okay, like, tell me more. That's on you, Gretchen. Emily can get some, you can give some percentage to Emily, but, like, the lion's share is on Gretchen. Yeah, I mean, even if you pawned off on Slade for doing it, for saying it, you called Slade knowing that he was going to say it.

I mean, you know Slade, you know if you bring up this subject what he's going to say. But Emily does also completely laugh and love it and then goes in tattletails like the next second. I mean, they're both a thousand percent. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappence commercial. So then we go to Jen's house and Shannon's house. and Shannon's house. Well, Shannon is cleaning.

Oh, no, Shannon is coming to Jen's house. So Archie decides to take a big number two everywhere, number two over and over again. It's like two squared, lots of booze. And so Shan's like, Archie, oh, my God. I mean another plastic bag. This is absolutely ridiculous, Archie. Huh, ha, this is what, Wacky Shannon. Wacky Archie is going to try to outshine Wacky Shannon.

this is crazy I just literally love Shannon she's just so funny and she doesn't have to say anything I can just look at her as she walks into her room and think oh my God how come her glasses only have one lens she's just so thank you Shannon

thank you so much for coming over Shannon I love you I love you I love you so much thank you so much so there is a animal psychic who has arrived Kow and she is going to help them commune with all

their furry friends because there are a lot in Jen's household plus Archie. Yeah, so they're going to ask these dogs questions, I guess, or ask questions about the dogs and this fucking fraud is going to take their money. So Jen's like, I run a small

farm, basically. So if you pick up on a vibe, just go for it. Please tell Willow to eat less. That would be great. So then they gather all the animals in one room, which is impressive. And I have to say the breakout star for me was crew jen's dog i feel like we've not spent any time with crew and like i literally love crew and crew was so funny to me i took a screenshot and for people

the crap is on demand hopefully we'll be able to see this the way that crew sat on that sofa and looked at the psychic like i am ready like very patiently like i i know you can hear me for this like this was the funniest image i like and just like crew was just like there like really close to the psychic like knows the psychic wants to talk to her and like you're having a conversation he's looking right into her eyes like hi i'm sitting here i'm ready to go i've been waiting for this all day please don't be another fucking you know criminal just tell me what i need to hear kiki monique told me that gretchen has been saying that she was drug did you hear this chaos um so jen's like like, well, my fiance and I have recently combined families. And so when we got crew, she was truly the missing piece that brought us all together as one family. And Cal's like, oh, wow, wow, great. But Willow is a spoiled one. And Cal's like, does she want a stroller?

Does she want a stroller? And she's like, oh, my God, does she want a stroller? She's too chubby for a stroller. Yeah, if this dog psychic was real, Willow would say, tell this bitch to stop fat shaming me. Like, she is the one who's feeding me and then fat shaming me. What the hell? Get me out of this house. Well, I would like to have a moment with the dog, psychic therapist. Okay. Kiao, this is Archie, and he doesn't bark.

We actually talk. We have full conversations with each other. Probably more communication with him than I've had in certain romantic relationships. Burn. Anyway, I have so many questions. So here we go. Yeah, that's really sad, actually. What do you mean?

It's sad. Archie said it sad. Oh, no, I'm sorry. That was, that was me who said that. Okay, let's get to Archie questions. Does he get annoyed when we kiss and cuddle him? Does he like going to the park or going, running? Does he like a walk on the leash?

I don't know. I just, I need these men to communicate with me. Do you move a lot? Because he keeps thinking, move, move, move, move from that you have these long, drawn-out goodbyes. He'd really just appreciate you just letting him go sometimes. She's like, he doesn't like the long drawn out goodbye. He doesn't like when I say goodbye to him for 15 minutes.

He doesn't like that. I think he senses that you're worried when you leave. Well, I am worried. I mean, what if I'm gone and Archie's looking at the window and see some blonde slut on the beach and decides to follow her down and become her dog? What the hell? Archie, don't do this to me. That is it.

I am leaving. Shannon just hit the house next door. Shannon, come back. The dog. but the fact it's not done yet. I have another question for Archie. Can you ask Archie if it's totally necessary that we take walks at one in the morning

in Newport Beach? I really resent that I had to do that for him. So she decides, she kind of leads Cal. By the way, Cal's not even really trying that hard to scam these people because Shannon just keeps giving her everything.

She's like, well, Archie, you know, had some insecurities. I think because of when I left him at school, too young, He was probably too young to be left at school. Now he keeps biting out their dog. I think that you may have left Archie at school too young. Exactly, Keow. God, you are so good at this.

Yeah, shoot. Keog really does not have to work hard for her grift. But basically, Shannon is, she clearly wants to get another dog. And she's just looking for validation that it's an okay thing to do. So, Kay, I was like, yeah, I get another dog. More clients for me. I'm all for it. Yeah.

So now we go to Katie Janella, coming to meet Tamara at Verde. Katie Janella, fancy meeting you here. Well, I got to tell you, as I've taken a step back from the situation, what makes me sad the most, it's about Jen. Oh, yeah, the way she betrayed you? No, just her choices in life, that she's with Ryan. She's okay with paint splatter on denim. It just makes me so sad.

I mean, I was just so hurt. She called me once or twice, but I didn't even pick up. I've just been super emotional over all of it. Oh, yeah, well, I've been the odd man at so many times. And I'm the odd man right now. I'm the odd man right now. Do you feel bad for me after I helped everybody kick you out of this group? Me.

Yeah, well, it was the iron man out. You were fine being part of the group when they were kicking somebody out a couple of weeks ago, ma'am. Yeah, it's not been that long. Well, you know, I do feel bad about what I did, and I did not mean to hurt you. you Tamara and I tried to apologize with Shannon and Tamara's like I don't think it is some sociopathic liar she apologized and being honest so I'm gonna take that for what it is someone I could use against Gretchen so I'm gonna use her for the batting ram that she is so when when Katie says I feel bad about what I did I did not mean to hurt you is that her

confessing to telling Kiki Yeah, I think that's her. Yeah, I think she's saying, yeah. I did tell Kiki Monique that Gretchen said that she was drugged or whatever. Well, Katie said as much, she said it earlier in the season. Like, I told Kiki because Gretchen said, oh, no, I don't remember. No, she didn't. She still was maintaining that she didn't tell Kiki Monique that Kiki Monique must have heard it from Shina or whoever.

I don't remember. But it's sort of as a confession, but it's also. kind of like, I wasn't trying to be mad. Maybe she's saying like I wasn't trying to be messy. Who knows? Who knows? I'm so convoluted at this point. Yeah. She's like, I'm just trying to get it straight. Slade called Matt and said, don't talk about this.

And she's like, yeah. Gretchen lied and said you drugged her. Then Slade said, tell Katie to stick to the story. Tell her not to waver. That's the nail on her coffin. Also, Tamara had sex with Nelson. What? His exact words were, tell her to stick to the story because it's a legal issue.

And I thought, oh my God, am I going to get in trouble legally? And I thought if it's a legal issue, I don't want to talk about it. So I was like, oh, shit, I was being lied to again by Slade. He is the eye of the storm for sure. So, Katie's like, so I text her. Sorry, I did my entire representation for a moment. It's not inappropriate for this conversation. I texted her and I literally tell her, I won't share that.

Like, why would I say that? When she said that, like she's a liar. See, now I can show, I can show receipts. Because in the beginning of the season, Katie, it was like, oh, yeah, those Instagram messages, I just don't have reception right now. I don't show you anything. Yeah. So you was trying to shut you, Dan, Dan. Yes.

And I'm trying to cover for my friend, quote, unquote, when she was really using me to cover her lies. Oh, yeah. He does out the dirty work and the talking. And then she's like, yeah, that, day, that, that's there, I can do it. She's like, yes. So, um, she says that Slate. was constantly calling Matt and then once he was done with him it was utter

silence. Oh, a dream. No more Slate's smiley calling up. First time I've ever heard anybody complained that Slate is not calling them enough. Well, finally Matt is like, I just want to talk to him man to man to man to child. Man's dishbag.

Sure, that was pretty good. Everything they said they're doing it to me. That's what's happening here. I'm brother in your clue. would say something bad and you're ugly and smell like pooh-boos. They did. This is going on you, you did. So then we see, now we see a sequence of Gina and Jen in their homes going through clothing and organizing things.

I have to, I'm going to say this. You know, it's one of those random days where I say something nice about Gina. To her credit, her home decor has really come up since when we first met. at her like she had like a nice little kind of beige on beige living room it wasn't anything mind-blowing but it was definitely a step up from all the marshals chotchkes she used to gather in her youth so i'm going to give her credit that was my takeaway from that little scene with her in the living room oh that's nice um it's um i just kind of avoid looking when it comes to a gina home scene it's like when you're passing something really sad like under the freeway and you're

Like, nothing's happening. Everything's fine, you know, and you just keep driving. That's how I feel. All right. Let's go to junior cookies, which is also what I call child chefs. We are here to talk about the Trevor Project. Everyone, it's a Trevor Project scene. So Heather is doing like a cookie fundraiser.

And it's for the Trevor Project. It's all very, very good. and she was been active with this charity for 10 years, which we love. And she was, it was her kids that kind of like connected the dots for her, et cetera. And she is really anti-bullying. So one of the Trevor Project people is like, are you going to allow me to have one of the cookies you brought? She's like, oh, would I stop you from having a cookie? No, but I would tell you, you probably shouldn't.

You'll get bullied. we're here to stop bullying so she tells a very scary stat which is that every 45 seconds in LGBTQ plus youth tries to commit suicide which is terrible terrible and so I'm really glad this organization is here to help and it was a short scene but it was a nice scene and I think it was an important scene so now we go to Emily's house where she's going to be doing talking more about the Innocence Project.

So she has the director of the Innocence Project there. And she's talking about how, she's talking about the importance of the organization. And she has two exoneries who are there who now tell their stories. Yeah. So she's like, before we even start, one of you stole the sandwich. One of you sold a turkey sandwich.

Wait a minute. That was me. It's in my purse. Sorry, too soon. Bad joke. That joke. Stephen, tell us your story. So he talks about how he was convicted of a shooting in Los Angeles and he was in Rancho Cucamonga.

So he didn't do that shit. He was in Rancho Cucamonga. And I just loved the specificity of Rancho Cucamonga. Because then the next guy was like, yeah, I was also accused of shooting someone and I wasn't in town either. And I was like, were you in Rancho Cucamonga too? And what is going on in Rancho Cucamanga? Because I only hear it on like radio ads, but I've never been out there. Well, when you drive to Vegas, if you take the 10 to the 15, when you go, when you get on to the 15 and start heading north, you are in Rancho Cucamonga.

I think I stopped there once to go to a, Fudruckers. Is that a Rancho Cucamonga? Fudrackers. Hell yeah. Delicious. It's just such a silly name for a place. It is. When someone was telling a very serious story, they're like, I couldn't have done it. I was in Rancho Cucamonga. like okay come on you make I know I feel like Rancho Cucumanga wants to have like the romantic

rhythm of a San Juan Capistrano like ooh San Juan yeah that that is like class sounds like a soap opera yeah it is you know it's like that's which is by the way San Juan Capistrano is a place in Orange County but like it's like ooh from the Sandy shores of San Juan Capistrano to Capistrano to Rancho Cicamango it's like mm yeah just doesn't have that same yeah it's hard to It's hard to get into a serious story when they say ranto kookamonga. It's just a funny word. So she basically, they talk about being fairly imprisoned forever. And this is really fucked up because then they're like, okay, well, sorry you were in jail for 20 years.

We were wrong. Okay, enjoy your life. And they don't give them anything. Yeah, they're just like, okay, well, good luck. Okay. We're giving your old shoes back. Okay, good luck with that. Emily recites some stat.

Maybe it was later in the episode that like 46% of people in jail have been accused of crimes they didn't commit. Like, that is wild. Lots of scary stats on this show. Yeah, seriously. So now we go to Jen's house where Ryan is planning on wearing some jorts to the Innocence Project fundraiser tonight. So, I mean, you know, I love we're talking about these people who were like lost.

14 to 20 years of their lives in jail for something that they didn't do. And it's like, and now I'm going to put on jorts, jorts to save them. What we're celebrating in his sense while also committing fashion crimes. It's just like so, Ryan, you know, it's like the privilege, the privilege. So then Shannon's getting ready and she's on the phone with Adeline. And she's like, oh, I think I'm going to wear this jacket full of jewels. What do you think of that? She's like, Mom, it's a lot.

No one's ever, ever going to have sex with you. Well, that is got kind of rude, Adeline. Are you going to rave? Yeah. Adeline's just doing a line off of a go-go boy's ass. I'll tell you what's not a rave. My thoughts on that jacket. Adeline.

That was cruel. So Gretchen and Slade. Getting dressed like cowboys. You know, I haven't talked to Tamara since things. went off at the tactical day. So I'm wondering if Eddie's going to be there. And he's like, well, from the guy's perspective, the problem is with Eddie. We don't respect Eddie because he allows Tamara to say and do whatever she wants.

And it's men's responsibility to like, you know, control what their wife does. Hey, put a lock on your wife's mouth, man. Come on. What do you allow your wife to spit? Shut the fuck up, Slade, man who hasn't worked a fucking day in his marriage, talking about what you would allow a woman to do. Are you fucking kidding me? get a job, sir, you fucking deadbeat. So Slade's issue is that Eddie does not put a muzzle on Tamara.

That's his issue. Okay. And then, yeah. It's so shitty. Like, he doesn't, he doesn't, he allows Tamara to, no, it doesn't work that way. People are free thinkers and say what you want to say. I think Eddie, actually, I'm never going to defend Eddie. But in this case, I think Eddie's just exhausted.

Look at the guy. he looks he looks 25 years older than he is he's had to deal with tamar for so many years you're like the poor man is carrying the weight of those teeth around just leave him alone do you think that's easy teeth and and corny motorcycle jackets okay like leave the i'm not because i leave the poor guy alone but seriously slayed i think he's got it's a pig they keep slayed at kind of a minimum on this show which thank god it's like they brought they brought back Gretchen, but it's like, okay, but we're only going to show a little tiny bit of Slade this time. But even in the tiny bit they show him, he's just a fucking pig every time he's on

screen. And look at the way he ruins Gretchen all over again. Just to circle back to what I said before, like, Gretchen started off the season really well. She had like really all the moral high ground coming into it. She was, she was coming in. She was taking Tamara down a peg. We're rooting for Gretchen. It was great. And the moment that Slade starts hatching a scheme about don't say this. Hold the line. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Gretchen stock tanks. And now she's like, you know,

now the audience is like, whatever. Gretchen has forever sucked terribly. And she's, it shows how fake she is when every time she's around Slade, she turns into this completely different person. He's like, run, bitch. We're in front of the other lady. She's like, I just don't understand why Tamara's just so

upset. I just don't understand why I can't make up with Tamara. And then the second Slade's around, she's just screaming trash commercials here comes one right now so now now we're back at Emily's event

and people are showing up Elizabeth Farkas is there unbelievable, undeniable time for the Innocent Project so let's see oh guess who else is here Gretures oh God

well she's not here yet, but it's going to be terrible having grudgers and Tamara the same room. Do you remember I got pissed at Tamara sitting down with Katie? Well, she fucking met with her. That's what happened. I'm going to have something to say about it. So, Emily tells everyone about, she's talking about what she tells us about, like, the stats that I recited before about people who were incarcerated.

And then more and more people are arriving. And we are, we actually also see that like, that like, Tamara and Emily had like a meeting. They, they like sat down after the cake party to discuss like their fight. And then, and Emily's like, you have to understand that like, I just don't know if things go down with us. Like, if you're just going to like dig up stuff on me, that's what I'm thinking. And I'm like, you could always trust me. By the way, I met with Katie, your hash nemesis. See, there you are.

Like, you just said you're upset with me for not dressing you. And now you're proving my point. So Jen is asking Tamara how the meeting with Katie went. She's like, it went well. I feel validated. And she told me some things, but I don't feel comfortable telling you because you're friends with them. You're going to go tell them everything I said. She's like, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

So no. Okay, I'll just tell them this stuff then. Okay. Thanks. But I like that Tamara calls it. And then she immediately goes running right over to Tattletail. So why would Tamara suddenly think that Katie is credible? Ask a producer.

And she's like, well, the more time that went on, I was like, well, she was set up by Chin and Gretchen because they were mean to me. And now that they've shown that Katie, that they're not on their side, Katie's not sticking up for him anymore. So she's telling me what's truly happening. So Tamara's just going around and be like, I just don't want to be face to face with Gretchen's lead. I don't. Eddie's like, I don't either. So, you know, he's just as, he's so charismatic that Eddie. And then so guess what?

Gretchen Slate arrived and she's, they look kind of crazy. And they're all mixing and mingling. And so Emily's like, guess what? Tamara met with Katie. Oh, really? So she went from this girl as dead to me to I'm going to be friends with her because she's going to get me intel on Gretchen. Yep. She is just, she is so obsessed with you, Gretchen.

She is obsessed with you. Oh, my God, Archie just pooped over there. Excuse me. By the way, this is why Gretchen will never excel with these feuds. Because you've got to keep, like, you've got to keep your wild cards in line. Because the moment that you kick them to the curb, Tamara's going to go pick it up and use it for herself. It's like a loaded gun. It's like those movies where there's two people fighting over a gun and someone drops the gun,

the other person is going to get it and turn around and they're the one in the power. You let Katie go. Lady, Katie was your ally and you should have just, you didn't handle it right. You got to keep your allies on your side when you're going up against Tamara. Well, I mean, she was her ally except for the whole telling Tamara that Gretchen accused her of date rape drugging her. But I'm saying she should have been like, you know what? Like, I didn't like that you said that. I understand that, you know, maybe it was a slip up or whatever. But like, you know, I love you. Like, let's not make this be the end of her. But like she basically, by kicking her to the curb,

you got to know that Tamara eventually is going to take it. Take what she can get. Yeah. So Anthony talks about being unfairly incarcerated and not being educated in prison. So he's excited to go learn mechanic stuff. And so they raise 15 grand. And then there's some line dancing. and Shannon is typical.

What? I'm bumping it to people. This is... I'm going to put this in the Trace of Nica show. What? It's crazy. Oh, I can't do it. So then Emily gets up there and announces that Gina and Travis, with the gated group, L.O.L, have donated $5,000. And Terry's like, wait, wait, wait, way, way, way.

And she's like, oh, my God, like, can a bitch have a moment? Like, they're going to outdo bromine. What the hell? And, yeah, because, like, this is Gina's moment for the first time ever. She has displayed some elements of wealth by donating $5,000 to a cause. And Terry interrupts like, hold on, hold on, hold on. Well, it's a wonderful event. He actually gets on stage.

And it's like, it's a wonderful event. And I just want to say, we're going to match with. $5,000. I was like, you can't, don't, don't step on Gina's literal poor moment and not even, like, if you're going to do that, like, you've got to say $15,000. But if you're just going to be the same level as Gina, like, you got to be so, right? Like if he, like, up her, I think it was, I think he probably was going to give more, but maybe that was his way of not one-upping Gina, but like not giving more. But yeah, I think you're, I think he should have just done it silently. Like, why do you need a fucking applause for it? You're a zillionaire. This is a lot more minutes of Gina than it is to you, you know, just give the check. Gina is selling two bedroom houses to the elderly in senior living right now. Okay. Let her have her rich moments. Okay.

Like you can't like don't cock block her just to say you're giving the same amount. Like you only cock block. If you're going to cock block, that means you got to give above and beyond. But if you're cock blocking to be like I'm giving the same amount, that's just like, that's, I think that's actually worse than cock blocking and saying I'm giving $500,000. Yeah. Terry Dubro is always a douchebag. So he's sticking with that

But right when I thought he wasn't going to one up Gina, he's like, but I'd also like to add in a box of these cookies because Heather doesn't want any of the gay kids being bullied for being fat. So please take these. Please take these as well. Damn it. So then now

we're clicking, everybody's talking, and Tamara's talking with Elizabeth Vargas and she's like, I can't be around slay, she's so gross, and then Gretchen I can't stand Gretchen, she's so fake. And Elizabeth's like, no share, and see Tell me everything, girlfriend. Tell me everything.

Do you want to talk about my cult? We were on the same season, so I feel like I got to catch you up on being in a cult. It was great. So Jen and Ryan, Jen and Gretchen are talking with Slade and Ryan.

And Gretchen's like, I'm going to go over to Tamara and ask what information she got about us with Slade. Wait, what, no, I think you should go alone. I don't think you should take. Slade. You should just go.

Go by yourself. Just go by yourself. She's like, nah, because he's bringing, she's bringing Slade into it, so I'm bringing Slade into it, too. That doesn't quite make sense, but okay. So now Tamara and Emily are chatting, and Tamara's like, I don't know. I know you're all over there, but like, I just can't be around Slade. So I'm just going to tell everyone here I can't be around Slade. Well, how could we move on from this? We can't.

So then, Jen, I just need to point out that Tamara did not bring Slade into this. Slade brought Slade into this. Yes. This is another Gretchen lie. Okay, go on. Yeah, you're absolutely right. So Jan's talking to Heather and she's like, Well, Gretchen and Slate are going to have to have a talk with Tamara.

Oh, I just saw them zoom right past me. It's kind of like when I said to Alfredo, why are these balls not at Nobu yet? And out he went very fast. It's like someone dropped a dollar over there. Those two were just on it. Crazy. This is very intense.

I feel bad watching, but I can't look away. Which is not something people say about Wendy Malick and any of her projects. So then Gina is like, this shit's like so uncomfortable. So now Slade and Gretchen, they walk in together up to Tamara. And Gretchen's like, hi. Tamara's like, no, bitch. She starts to run out of there. Look, there she is.

Running. There she goes. Gonna go grab Eddie. Yeah, run. going to grab Eddie, look at that. Run, bitch. Run, run for your life. Yeah, I don't know what,

she's trashy. Like, I'm not going to. She doesn't need to sit there and be confronted by your fucking husband. You're disgusting. And so is your husband. Get out of here. Enjoy your one year back on the show,

loser. You guys brought up a whole rumor. A whole ass rumor about Tamara that you, like, you, like, what was Slade trying to get to the bottom of. I don't even remember at this point. I guess the child support stuff, but that was a long time ago. Is she supposed to apologize to that

stuff? Because it sounds like they're coming at her for this stuff, which they started. And she hasn't said anything to them about. Yeah. So, well, Well, Gretchen's like, Man, bitch. And Tamith, leave me alone. The trash.

That's bullshit, dude. Whatever. Their voices are turning to the same for me. So Gretchen tells us, you know i'm not just going to disengage people that run are normally like trying to hide from the truth so it proves that tamara's guilty and she's talking about the shit that she doesn't know about and if you're talking about shit something supposedly slates said then take it up with slid this guy right here he did say it we were we were there he said it on camera what are you talking about why are you making it sound like everybody's coming up with something gretchen you fucking compulsive liar

go follow some other queer positive accounts right after you get called out for being a transphobic little asshole. I don't believe her. I don't want her on this show. I'm sick of having to watch her in her stupid Slay's ass. Nobody has to sit here and fight with somebody's husband. Get the fuck out of here, Gretchen and take your slime ball with you. Gross. So Tamra and Eddie are outside. She's like, you know, she's always trying to, she's always trying to like, you know, try to antagonize me. Uh, which is funny because, I mean, Gretchen and Slate are antagonizing Tamara right now, but like, let's be honest. Tamara. Yeah, this is Tamara. Let's not get to, let's not totally forget

the giant context of their relationship. Yeah. Yeah, none of this, none of this invalidates Tamara being awful as well. But in this situation, I mean, this is how bad it's gotten. Like, you get Gretchen and Slade on the show and now I'm rooting for Tamara. Like, what the hell kind of upside down world is this? What is the show trying to do to me? Yeah.

So Emily's like comes outside. Like, that was aggressive. I don't get why Slade gets so involved. Shane wouldn't do that. I'm like, Shane doesn't do anything. He proposed you on G-Chap. So then- He learned his lesson with Kelly Dodd.

You're a torp is what you are, you dork, you little dork. So Tamara's telling us, if she was coming up to apologize for what she did, then go for it. But it was all for attention. So then Tamara's like, when you have someone that makes Ryan look good,

that's an issue. Which I was like, whoa, Ryan gets astray and all of this. And then they cut to Ryan, just like cackling up by the bar. Yeah. So then Slade is, so Emily's like, oh, y'all, well, I just want you to know, I appreciate you. Okay, appreciate you. Okay, weren't you going to tell Tamara off for going to lynch with Katie? What the hell? So then we come back to the event and Slade's like, well, I didn't mean to drop a bomb fellas. And the guys were laughing. Consider the bomb dropped. Ha, ha, ha. So Gretchen's like, why can, why can Tamara say whatever she wants about Slade? And then he can't address it. It's like because because the reason why he can't address it in this situation is, first of all, the two of you just walking up to Tamara.

And second of all, it's like what she said was off camera and it was a while ago and you're still like it's been like addressed many times since then. And you guys even addressed it on the beach. And Tamara actually did apologize for it. And the truth is you guys brought in a new thing that blew up your whole peace treaty. and now you're going to act like Tamara did something wrong, and that's just not the way it is. Don't make us stand up for Tamara, but we will. We will do that.

Yeah, and if you don't like that she's calling, that she called Slade Deadbeat Dad 13 years ago, just Google it because I just put Slade Smiley Child Support, and it says, following the death of his son, Grayson, in February 20203, Slade Smiley's ex-partner, Michelle Oroyo, alleged that Smiley had not paid child support since 2019 and owed over $152,000.

She also claimed that Smiley and his fiancée, Gretchen Rossi had a non-existent relationship with Grayson and were using his death for self-promotion. So you know what? Maybe you should like corner Google. Corner Google at a party. lame ass. So Jen's like, well, I was trying to tell her why, why can't he address it? And if it is what Katie was saying to Tamara about with Slade being on the phone. So the producer's like, well, producer tells Gretchen, you know, Slate does love to get involved. He goes, no, he really doesn't. I know everyone thinks this, but he gets involved because all the women talk about Slade and yet, so we're the bad guys. You are the bad guys. Did you not see the, did you

not see the, uh, his like bit at the improv? Okay, it's not just that like, oh, he's defending himself. He's an aggressor. Yeah, he's gross. So you guys came in aggressively and it makes me uncomfortable and I'm fucking aggressive, especially when you come up with a man. It's not about slave for the love of God. Wonder when you come on with your six foot tall husband, that's aggressive. And Gretchen's like, I'm done. So now she walks off. So I wish

somebody had been like, walk away, bitch. Run. I know. So then, yeah, Gretchen slayed leave and Gretchen's complaining that Emily accused her of being aggressive. She's like, she's over it. But at least they raised $41,000 for the Innocence Project.

So there's that. But yep, this is a no. This is a real, like, scorched earth season. They're all just taking each other down in every way. It's a shit show. Yeah. They need to, like, freshen up. They need some storyline to pull them through to the end because this is the shortest

Orange County recap. I think we've done in years. It's only 50 minutes, which for us is, like, really light. Well, it's because they also have, like, nice moving scenes in the episode of, like, oh, well, that's true. They had, like, they had two different charity scenes. That's true. I think three different charity scenes.

I'm really like, oh, anyway, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. That's true. But they do need to freshen up some plots here. I mean, they just filmed a reunion, what, yesterday or today or yesterday, I think? So that means there's probably, what episode was this? Did I say? Should I close one? This is, I think, 12 or 13.

14. 14. They probably only have like three episodes. I'm going to assume the season's going to end in Amsterdam. Because, you know, sometimes there's more to. the show, then the trip. But I'm going to say this ends at 16 or 17. Yeah.

Okay. Well, let's see what happens, everybody. Have a great weekend over there. Thanks for being with us. We will be back Monday for Real Housewives of Potomac and then Crappy Hour at 4 p.m. Pacific Time. Find links in Lincoln Bio. Amazon Live, that is.

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