Watch What Crappens - #3060 RHOC S19E17 Part Two: And Just Like That…

Episode Date: October 31, 2025

This is part 2 of 2The Real Housewives of Orange County wraps up its season on a charged note as the women confront Gretchen about liking problematic, homophobic social media posts. Also, Gina feels really, really bad. You can watch this recap on video, listen to our bonus episodes, and participate in live episode threads at patreon.com/watchwhatcrappens.  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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That's R-A-K-U-T-E-N-C-A. Hi, crap, crap, crap, watch what happens, when there's so much that happens. Hi, everyone, welcome back. This is part two of a two-part recap. If you're wondering where part one was, we'll go check in the feed and be sure to subscribe. So that way you always get your episodes. But enough of that, let's get right back into the episode.

So now it's evening and everyone is getting ready for glam and and Shannon's like, so you guys travel to Paris and stuff and the glam people are like, yeah. She's like, oh,

well, I am taking a train there tomorrow to visit my daughter who tried to move across the world to get away from me, but guess what? Surprise, surprise, second in a row. I'm coming over.

So Gina and Emily are still in their shitty, messy room, and we see the decorated penis still in there, which I like that. Emily kept that. And Gina's like, oh, my God, now, Emily, I just burnt my hair. I just burnt. You can't put plastic into an iron. Your hair is made out of, like, pom-pom material. What are you putting it in there for? Yeah, don't do that. do not do not do that um then uh they're all getting into dinner and hether's like shannon are

you wearing slippers to dinner honey i i i am i well originally i called these my nice shoes but we can call them slippers too thanks thanks for that i just can't believe it's our last night guys i just can't oh it's our last night i accept it i accept it let's eat so they go in and um they start talking about crab like let's get crabbed and tamer's like we don't want to eat you crabs It's okay, waiter. Yeah, I've had granted you before. He's like, okay, okay. Well, would you like to order some names? It's real bad, right on my vagina. I've got my vagina. It was hilarious here. It's so bad.

This place was crazy, by the way. They had like hanging fish everywhere, which, you know, whatever fish plays. But in there, also in their, like, fish display, they had, like, several fish that they just, like, put citrus in their mouth. Like, the fish was just like, like, oh. Like, it was like a ball gag. And, like, I know, like, there's a. tradition of, you know, like a suckling pig, you put the apple in the pig's mouth and everything. But I think the difference is that the pig definitely looks dead and cooked. It's like, oh, here is a cooked pig with an apple in its mouth. But these fish still kind of look alive. They're not, but they just look alive because they're just sort of in the same

raw. They're like at their raw state. You just look at these fish and you're like, can we give the fish just just a shred more dignity before it's consumed by the likes of like Tamara and Shannon before we eat the lemon. It was just poor fish So they make a toast And Tamara's like Guys, it's been

Touching rough here for me What was Gritchin Coming after me For over a decade And then we start getting The Duna la na Our favorite song

So good Dina da Dina Key change Oh God Bridge That song. Okay, let's see what's going on.

Terry and Eddie have been spending lots of time in Big Bear, and Sophie is planning to move to New York City to pitch her music. She has no plan to record anything with her mother because she'll probably fuck somebody named Nelson. Okay, back to my speech. I just want to thank you guys for being there. And Heather, you help me through some really dark times, and I appreciate that.

my way of saying, why are you such a shitty friend to me always? I always such a bad friend to me, bitch. What? Heather and Terry sold their Beverly Hills house at a $5.8 million loss. No big deal. And she doesn't plan on buying a new place in Orange County. And that's no lie. Come on, Carl Richards.

We can be friends. Let me on to your show. Please. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, everybody saw. It was great. And I'm really looking forward to the future with you guys.

The gated group is still going strong as are Gina Trey at us. And Gina's still living without fear, unless she's critiquing Heather's improv. Excuse me, they also have an update, which is to say, Shannon has a new guy in her life, Troy, a golden retriever, and she's riding this emotional high, space cake free. Oh, okay. Can we get a new Alfredo in here for me, please? I don't like my pedumptious.

May our glam always be flawless. May our receipts always be accurate. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. While Ryan and Jen still do not have a wedding day planned, Dawson recently graduated for Marines boot camp

and passed out 20 minutes into the ceremony. So, go ahead. I just, I, I, I, I won't get, is it, is it really true that as a new girl I don't get a badumcha? There really, there's just, is there just no other badumcha that's around there for me to, to hear? No. Okay. Is that a pedumcha or is there an actual medical emergency happening right now? Okay, that's fine.

Um, so now Heather's like, okay, I'll do it again. So maybe our friendships, although sometimes complicated, always be worth the ride. What is she talking about? She's terrible at cheersing. Did you just make that up or read it at Chat, GPT? Well, actually, funny story. I had Christy McNickle write it for me. And then when she gave it to me, I said, well, I'm glad you finally got a gig after 20 years.

Here's $5. Emily continues to navigate Luke's evolving diagnoses. And she is learning to embrace life's. unpredictable ride, including the one at the abbey. Oh, okay. Wait a minute. Are those sharks hanging down off the ceiling? And they're like, maybe it's a tuna. I don't know. Is that a tuna or shark? Hey, everyone.

Hey, Gratjeet. Hey, Gina. They stopped playing the nice music at the end. So I think that means you have to start doing the dark stuff now. Okay. Oh, okay. Okay. Great. There's something that I have to address. with y'all when we were in orange county oh wait wait you're talking about the conversation we had together yeah yeah yeah yeah because it's been weighing on me yeah sit sit it's been weighing on me and i cannot i can't not bring this up gretchen it's been waiting on me too like weighing on me so hard that i had to have juna say it for me okay go on go do it jina do it well camera shared a lot of posts that you've liked that are like very disparaging towards the lgbcq community

community LGBTQ plus community. Oh my gosh. I would never do that. I mean, if I liked something, then I probably didn't know what it was about. I'm dumb. I don't have any issue with the LGBTQ lethargic community.

The lethargic GBTQ community. But wait a minute, then why are you on social media liking these things? And she's like, Um, well, unfortunately, sometimes I'm probably scrolling quickly and liking things. And so I don't know. Maybe I'm not paying enough attention. Oh, no, ma'am.

I'm sorry. Oh, really? You just happen to press like on accident on every single hateful fucking gay related posts that there is. Come on, like, Brettian. It's too much. Slipped into that one. You know, sometimes I go on to no homo talk and I just like things by accident. My bad.

So Shannon's like, I mean, by the way, how did you see it, Tamara? Let's not forget Tamara over here because this would be fun. She's, well, it was something that was sent through I-Heart. And Emily's like, did you talk about it? No, I-Hart was like, no, that's why I-Hart sent it to me. Because they were like, don't talk about this. So Jen is like, but Tamara, do you have it up? She's like, yeah, here it is.

So they're looking at it. And Gina's like, oh my God, there's like a lot of it. And there's like one about Dylan Mulvaney. Jen's like, who's that? She is a friend of mine. And we have a flashback earlier in the season when Dylan was on Heather's podcast. And they talked about discrimination and the hate that Dylan receives as a trans woman. Here's the thing.

You know, they're saying like, oh, this was just sent to Tamara and Iheart. Iheart radio sent Tamara headlines, meaning they were things that were already out in the news. This was not something that was like, oh, Iheart's doing this deep cutting investigative journalism. All the ladies knew that this has been out. I mean, this is crazy. This stuff has been out for over a year, at least. It's been out a couple of years. I've known about it.

And I'm not like some magic person doing detective work here. They all know this. You're telling me that no one, no one texted Heather Dubrow and said, look at all these likes of Gretchen's. No one, really, in all of this time. Someone reminded me this morning. They added me, and there is a giant thread on X. that says it's a threat exposing Orange County alum, Gretchen Rossi's problematic views, including racism, homophobia, transphobia, COVID misinformation, et cetera.

And it's like, it's one thing. It's like one screenshot after another, after another, after another of like the things that Crudgeon is liked. And that was August 5th, 2003. So it has like, it's been out there. It's been out. So everybody pretending they've never heard of this and they can't believe it. And they're also shot, especially Heather, like, what are you talking about?

This stuff has been out there forever and someone sent this to you. And I don't believe for one second that the rest of us saw it, but you didn't. That's just absolute bullshit. I think the show told them, listen, we're going to bring Heather. We're going to bring Gretchen on here. And we don't want this to become, you know, some hate-filled, blah, blah, blah. We don't want you to go for her for that. Because you know, Tamara's had this in her back pocket for years to use anybody who doesn't like Gretchen has.

So I'm just not buying this. And it just seems crazy to me. I don't know if I'm going to say that Heather, like, new, new. I think, I sometimes I think, like, Heather could be like me where it's like, I hear from, like, you. Oh, Gretchen's been posting, like, really homophobic stuff. And I'm like, okay, I trust that you said it. I trust you. And I'm like, oh, I hear that she does homophobic stuff.

But, like, I don't really, like, go necessarily, like, go out and find the tweet and look at what she liked because I'm lazy. And I'm like, okay, I trust Ronnie on this one. And then, but by me not doing that, I just, I'm like, okay, whatever. Not whatever, like, that's okay, but it doesn't hit with the same potency as it does when you actually see what she has liked. And I would not be surprised if Heather is sort of in a similar place, because I do think that Heather is, she is a really strong advocate for these things. And I don't think that if Heather had seen it with her own eyes, I don't think she would, she would be chill. I really don't. I think maybe she'd known about it.

And I can imagine she did a mental workaround where she said, well, she's conservative. I'm liberal. We'll find a way to shoot together. Find a way. And I don't think she really knew. Or she was in denial or whatever until this moment. Maybe I'm being naive, but that's really how I read the situation.

I just don't see a world where someone in the audience didn't send her some of these screenshots. I mean, I'm going to go over them some of these right now because these are insane. And some of them, like in the one you sent where there's 20, some of that you can argue and say, well, these are just conservative views. These are what people are saying all the time on Twitter, okay? Some of them. We teach gender ideology in school, and so it's normal for half of preteen classrooms to be gender questioning. Kids admit the cool kids in their class are transgender, so they just want to be trans too. It's all too much.

Dems have gone too far. I'm out. So things like that, I read that. I'm extremely offended, but I read it all the time in conservative threads. So I'm also not shocked that someone who's really MAGA and conservative would say that, right? But then you get to posts like this one. Hold on a second. I've got these all over my phone.

This was by Tyson James, liked by Gretchen Rossi. When you opened the door to homosexuality, you open the door to pedophilia. You'll never win by normalizing perversion. Sin is a slippery slope. You think it's bad now? Give it a couple of years. If you want to save the kids, start by calling homosexuality what it is. That was July 14th.

So there's no world in which somebody like me or somebody in the audience doesn't send this to these people in the cast. I just don't believe it. So I don't know. I think it's a thing. I think other people in the cast may have known. I think they, I don't know. It's, I don't, do you think that Gina and do you think Gina had seen these before? Yes, they've all seen them.

These people are all on here all the time looking at Instagram and seeing what everybody's talking about. That's all they talk about on Housewives now is like what's going on on the blogs. Who's talking to the blogs? Who said what? They all know their certain bloggers are all caught talking to the bloggers. I just can't believe. And they're all on Instagram constantly. And their assistants and their social media people are on there constantly.

There's no world in which Heather doesn't have a million people telling her, Heather, this woman is crazy. And look at all the stuff she's liking on here. This is not some hidden thing that hasn't been out. This has been out for a long time. So do you think Gina acted very much like this is the first time she'd seen these.

Do you think it was a situation where by Tamara bringing it up on camera I think it was like do you think it was a situation where they were all looking the other way because it was like

this is the sort of thing that's like a little too serious for the real housewives. Do you think that when Tamara brought it up to Gina on camera, Gina realized that she had to

kind of like take a stand and say something rather than being accused of looking the other way do you think she was getting ahead of the story in that way which is why she confronted her similar to the advice she gave Katie regarding Heather Debrough last season

like you have to talk to Heather Debrough because if you don't I'm going to have to do it do you think that was what happened? I think she's like a producer plan and she and Emily do whatever the producers want is what I think like anytime something needs to move forward they're always the ones to come forward and do it but if Tamara told them two or three weeks ago

before this they've all just been sitting there on this not saying anything on camera which is bullshit. I don't believe that any of them would do that. I don't believe Tamara would sit on this for a whole year when she's going against Gretchen and fake quitting the show and doing all this stuff if she had this in her pocket. I think production was saying you're not going to be able to use it. And Tamara was like, well, I'm going to use it. And so for two weeks, they've been trying to figure out, how are we going to deal with this. Okay, let's put it in the last five seconds of the show. So, and then we'll, and then producers turn it back on Tamara by saying, okay, well, if Tamara's

going to do that, then we're going to blow it all back on her and expose all Tamara's shit and make Tamara the villain in all of this. It's just so crazy. And it's crazy that me of all people would stick up for Tamara in this situation. Because I do 100% believe that Tamara has relationships with bloggers and that she's shady and she's doing everything that they're accusing her of. But it doesn't change the fact that Gretchen like all these. There's tons of them. There's tons of them. There's tons of them. We're like, I got my Trump hat. And it's like there is a line of like, okay, we're watching TV and politics. And especially if you're doing something in Orange County where there's a lot of conservative people in orange county everybody knows it you know and so what how much of that do you

put on the show and how much of it do you want the audience fighting over political shit right and i can see how the producers wouldn't want that because it's going to piss everybody off and nobody wants to see that on tv however this is beyond just political shit she is posting nasty homophobic transphobic horrible horrible shit that they're just trying to sweep under the rug here and it's gross It's fucking gross. And I think the whole cast is complicit in agreeing to go along with it in the first place. And I think they do it a lot where they're just like, okay, we're going to let this person get away with bad behavior because we want our job on this TV show. Mm-hmm.

And they choose. I think that's, I think that's a fair point. And I mean, if Tamara saw these these headlines a year ago, the, what's hard to imagine, I guess I don't know if I'm walking back some of my words or not. But I'm just sort of thinking through it, like on the fly, it's hard to imagine that the moment that, Tamara here is that Gretchen's coming back on the show, her arch rival, that Tamara doesn't immediately call up Heather Debrough and say there are Gretchen's coming back and just so you know she's done this, this, this, these are all her tweets. It's hard to believe. And in fact, they ask her later on, like, why would you, why would you reach out to Gina and not Heather? And

that is a really weird thing. So I don't know why she wouldn't reach out to Heather. Maybe in that moment Tamara is actually protecting Heather. Maybe she had reached out to Heather. And she's not saying that she did that because she doesn't want to put Heather in a really tough situation. So she says she just only reached out to Gina. I'm not sure. There's really a lot to speculate on in this situation. But you're right. In the end, seeing really looking at those tweets today this morning, it's, it's pretty shocking what Gretchen liked.

And what's also what's even more shocking is her inability to, like her attempt to actually act like it wasn't her that she didn't do it. I'm like, you cannot come on to this show with that hair, praying in a family circle before you go up to Beverly Hills for sleepover, praying to Jesus, and then act like, and act shocked that anyone would even think there's any, like, that people would accuse you of liking these things. It's like, it's, it'd be one thing if like, you turn it on and then you see like Lisa Rina liking all this stuff. And you're like, whoa, that's Lisa Rinna was probably hacked. I don't know why Lisa Rinna is my choice, but like whatever. But I would still think Lisa Rin is hacked. But Gretchen, you come on here, dress like a Megan, like Megan Kelly meets like the 1950s, and you're very, very religious.

And then you're hot liking very sort of right wing hateful views on, on gays and trans people. And then you act like it's crazy that people would think that those are real likes. Like, you can't bamboozle us. Yeah, we're not that fucking stupid lady. My God, it's crazy. Well, some people are because I'm reading the comments. And I'm like, what? People are falling for this bullshit?

This is such crap. I can't believe it. But I just find it interesting that everybody's taking aside. It's like either I believe that there are a lot of people who believe Gretchen's innocent. And they're like, you guys need to leave conservatives alone. We're being bullied. And then there are a lot of people are like, no, fuck Gretchen get her off this show. But I don't, I don't see why everyone's not out.

raised at this whole thing because everybody fucking knew this was going on. Everybody, including Heather. And Heather refollowed Gretchen last week and all of this other shit. So I don't understand what's happening. And I guess maybe the reunion will explain it. But unless someone went seriously

Photoshop crazy, photoshopped all these, which seems like such a random way to get it. Somebody like, oh my God, look what post she liked. I don't think that would be something that you fake. You would fake actual posts that she made, right? No one's going to go fake a whole internet. history for years and years of this shit.

So I don't know what they're doing to explain it, that Heather would even forgive this at all, or any of them would forgive this shit at all. But for them to all act like they've just heard it is absolute hogwash. And I think this, this show owes everybody an apology because this is bullshit. This is bullshit. And we've got a lot more to go. That was, that's just a start. It's time for a commercial.

It's time for a crappence commercial. So there. They're confronting Gretchen, and she's like, oh, my God, they've got to be kidding me, right? Because, like, out of all the things you could say, this is what you're going to come up with? I mean, this is just ridiculous. Nothing's true. And Heather's like, do you understand that I just threw an event for the Trevor Project, LGBTQ plus youth, and so in danger right now every 40 seconds. She's like, yeah, somebody commits suicide, I know.

And so now they're like kind of chatting at each other. And Tamara's like, well, yeah, and you know what? And Heather goes, I am speaking. I was like, yes. This is a righteous, my turn, still me. I was like, yes, it's a righteous version of it. I love it. And so she says, like, every 45 seconds, a queer child tries to kill themselves.

And I'm just like, yeah, I know, I know, I know. It's like, do you understand what hate rhetoric like this does to our children? It's like, yes. Yes, I do. No, you don't. You obviously do not. No, you don't. And you don't care.

And she's just sitting there really calmly, like trying to figure out what to do. You know, so like her whole demeanor is really weird. She's like, um, but no, it's not true. I mean, what? I mean, it's just if I, unbelievable. If I am, honestly, if I am pro gay and I'm being accused on camera of being anti-gay or like, well, obviously I'm gay, let's say like racism. Okay. Someone says I'm a racist and I'm on camera.

And I believe my heart of hearts. I am not racist. And I said and I, and I, and someone accused me of that. on camera, I'm not going to be like, no. No, I'd be like, what? No, absolutely not. Like, what happened? Like, how can I clear this up?

Like, there must be some misunderstanding. Show me what happened. I need to, like, address this right away. Because, like, if I did something, if I put that out there, like, oh, I need to clear this up. And if I said something wrong, I need to apologize. Like, I need to, like, like, I, is, it's mandatory, mandatory that people know that that's not what's in my heart right now. And Gretchen's just sitting there like, huh? Because like you said, she's trying to figure out like, oh, shit, this is coming up.

How do I spend this? How do I get out of this? Like, she knew what do I do. I thought I already put this fire out. Yeah. She knew. She knew it was going to come up. So she's like, wait a minute.

Didn't we already delete all these likes? Like, how am I getting, how am I getting pummeled for this? Like you can see her so confused about it. And also one little thing that's missing here, which is I think the smoking gun is if somebody comes at you and says there's all these posts that you like and Tamara has the screenshots, when are you going to say show me the screenshots show me the accounts

go online right now and why aren't they saying where's your phone show us who you follow on your phone show us that you didn't like these things go ahead show us nobody's doing that so I just this whole thing is so gross

so then Heather's saying this doesn't seem like Gretchen because Gretchen's always had a lot of friends in the community and if it's true she has no words I mean people that that doesn't mean your hair aren't really friends in the community and hire somebody to come be a clown at your fucking drag queen tupperware party in 2012 doesn't prove anything either well it's also like saying well i like a lot of i have like a lot of i have someone best friends are black you know people yes there are a lot of we've see it all the time where people kind of like to visit a marginalized community um in a sense and yet not actually support them you know it's like sometimes you people like to come and get the perks of it And love the association of it. But when it comes down to actually what you're voting for, what you care about, what you advocate for, it's like crickets.

So Gretchen's saying that she had a drag Tupperware party in, like, if that's the best you can do is, like, cite a party you had in 2009. Okay. I'm on-camera party with drag queens. Like, oh, okay. Okay, Gretchen. So she's saying, it's not like me, Heather. And she goes, why are you not horrified? like can someone at least show her that because she still hasn't even asked to see them so gretchen's like well it just makes me really sad guys and she goes it makes you sad and Tamara's like yeah well if you feel that way just say you feel that way and at least stand up for what you believe you know because you're representing us when you're on this show basically so gina does show gretchen the phone and gretchen doesn't really look at it you know and Heather's like this is about human decency and then jen tries to jump in and help her and she's like well maybe

did you feel biblically like this is something because I know you're very strong in your faith and Heather's like biblical you know like don't even start this shit yeah don't even try it and Jen's like I'm just asking her I'm just trying to find out why she would do this and Tamara's like

Jesus asks people and she's like whoa no I'm sorry I'm just trying to figure it out and Heather Jesus does not like hey she's not saying that Heather Jen this is Heather is Heather is angry right now just just step back let because heather i mean heather was livid i mean she was i mean the rage was in her

eyes and justifiably so so um she you know they're like jesus doesn't i and jane's like listen i'm not trying to stand up for gretchen i'm just trying to give her an escape an escape hat to leave out of and get out of here so jen friend to no one jem's like well i'm just trying to understand where would her fucking mind be i mean it doesn't add up you know i know, Gretchen, I know her soul and I know her heart and something's a miss here. And I don't think it is. I mean, if you've looked at her Instagram one time, you pretty much know where she stands. I don't know how this is shocking to you, Jen, but okay.

Well, also the nose is a mess because it's really been face tuned out. So Heather says, you are intentionally liking hate rhetoric. She's like, I don't know what you're talking about. So that's why I'm asking. You did that. It's, and so she's like, look, it's here, right? You see that? Like, she's going to need an explanation.

You see like that hot, you see your name on there? That means you like something, okay? And Gretchen's, Gretchen is just stalling out. She's just trying to figure out what her game plan is. She's like, oh, I understand. She's like, all I know is I'm seeing a screenshot or something I supposedly liked, and I've never seen it in my life. And I'm completely blinded with this information that is not my truth.

I don't have the answers for you right now because it's just not who I am. I mean, how do you say you don't have the answers for you because it's not who I am? I don't like it's wild like the thing is we're all the whole like the spoof spoof text spoof phone calls this comes up on bravo every now and then it's always a losing argument like you liked it if anything just say I you know what I like these things two or three years ago I uh is something that I believed in at that time I've since done a lot of work and I've learned from people and I realize it was a really closed minded like just attempt to do something like

that. And she just can't even do that. I mean, she's just, and also as we find out later, she still follows all these accounts, these same accounts. These are not just like random posts that never come up on these, the Matt Welsh blog, et cetera. This is like rhetoric you don't, or rhetoric, sorry, that you don't, you don't just see once in a while on these accounts. The shit is on those accounts all the time. Fucking, I mean, it's just ridiculous. So she's like, well, I never even seen those screenshots. And that's, listen, I'm telling you, that's how I fell. And how There's like, um, Gretchen, why would you do that?

And she's like, I don't know. And they're like, I don't know. It's not a good answer. She goes, I don't know, though. So then, of course, she runs off and calls Slade. And Shannon's like upset and she's crying. And she's like, some of my best friends are in that community and I can't believe this. And so now that Gretchen has run off, Jen's like, so wait, Tamara, you knew about this for how long?

And she goes, about a year. And Shannon's like, well, why wouldn't you say anything before? And she's like, because no matter. what I say, I'm the bad guy. And it sounds like, what if it's, that's not the point. Don't try to deflect by it. Why didn't you say something sooner? Are you defending her? She's like, no,

but it's a legitimate question. If something heinous happened, why wouldn't you let us know? She's like, because it's so gross. It was too dark. And if it was something, something this dark and this gross, she'd only be brought up on a cast trip by Gina. Yeah. It's so gross. It's so dark. I mean, if it was something fun and light

like cheating on your boyfriend with cancer, that would have been fun. But, but, you know, this is too dark. Too dark. You know, and I was doing this whole, like, you guys are trying to blame me for not telling. Yeah, but the point of this is you're making them look bad if they didn't know, which obviously I don't believe at all. But if they didn't know and you did know, you're making that, you're putting them in a

position where they're supporting this person all year long. And then, boom, at the end of the year, you're like, ha, ha, you've been supporting a hateful big of this whole time, you know, so you are putting them in a bad situation. It's, I think it is. She's telling the truth. It's shitty of Tamara because she's like, well, I'm always the bad guy. But, like, that has never ever stopped Tamara before. Like, she'll say things.

Like, fine, don't believe me. I'm always the bad guy. But, like, she willingly does things like this before. And if this is something that she was like, she actually was, you know, truly upset about. I mean, I'm not saying that she's not upset about it. But I'm saying, like, she's obviously like, this is so bothersome to me. But you've held on to it for a year and you didn't ever say anything. Like, that's true.

Any true ally would have said something, period. And that's my problem with all of these ladies. You know, you choose something like a television. You're on a fucking gay network. And I'm sure that that's why the network, I'm sure it was like, we're not bringing this shit up on the network. Like, hell no. This is like a very big, like, gays love this network.

You know, we're not going to touch this. But you brought her back knowing that this shit was going on. And then you were just going to try and sweep it under the rug and be quiet. No, you all, you fucking all suck. You all suck. Like, I don't think there's any standing up for any of them. in this for me like they're all fucking gross yeah so Tamara Tamara's basically saying if I were accused of being a homophobic bitch I'd be crying my eyes out and Gretchen's like but I know I'm not I'm not

I'm I'm upset like about something but that I'm not upset about something that I know who that I know who I am and what my heart feels Gretchen's saying she's not going to get upset because she knows her truth I'm like I think that's the most time that's exactly when you get upset But when you know exactly who you are and what you believe in and you are being misrepresented in a massive and hurtful way on TV, you get very upset. She got an upset over less. This is where she's like, oh, this is crazy. I mean, I had a drag queen Tupper party in 2009, which we see.

And she's like, I've never been judgmental or had anything negative to say. You know, like I don't care of, but people live their life. and we see Heather, she's moved off to the bar to call Terry and she's crying and saying, oh my God, Gretchen has been liking all these anti-gay, anti-transposts. And then back at the table, Gretchen is still saying she's shocked and she doesn't remember liking any of this. She's like, what? I don't even know the account that you just showed me that I follow. And Tamara's like, I'm not buying your bullshit.

And she's like, well, you guys are trying me to make me out to be a homophobic person. It's like, oh, my God. And Emily's like, you're just sitting there going, I don't know, I don't know. And they're basically, she sounds like, go talk to Heather. Okay, she's obviously upset. They're like, yeah, Emily says the burden's on you to make her feel better. So Gretchen leaves the table. And Emily is like, if I was being accused of something I absolutely did not do,

I'd be crawling across the table beating the fucking shit out of tempered judge. I mean, I'll do that anyway. And the fact is that she's angry, she doesn't make it, that she's not angry, doesn't make any sense to me. So Gretchen goes up to Heather, and Heather is like, I don't know what to say. I'm horrified, horrified. And Gretchen's like, but do you think I have hate towards your children? And it's like, it's, it's frustrating, it's frustrating at Lisa Barlow would say because, like, people underestimate their ability to compartmentalize.

And that like Gretchen can be sweet and lovely to Heather's children in one space, but then like an Instagram post and another. And it's like, you know, people don't realize how like you, that they do that. And then they're like, what? But like, just because I like this. one thing over here. Look how I'm nice. So these people over here. I'm like, yeah, because you're kind of like, I don't know, is this the definition of exceptionalism or whatever, but you're sort of viewing those like, oh, well, I like Heather's kids. They're, they're like the good ones or whatever. So, like she doesn't realize. I think it's typical in extreme religious. I grew up in a

very extreme religious environment. And I cannot tell you how many times I was told. Like, oh, you're, you know, Ronnie, we'd love you so much. But, you know, it's just hate to center, don't hate to sin or hate to sin don't hate to sinner you know what you're doing is wrong i don't agree with your lifestyle no of course you shouldn't have the right to get married of course you shouldn't because that's just not god's will but it doesn't mean i have to hate you it's almost like look at what a good person i am by being nice to somebody that's an absolute garbage sinner you know which is the attitude you get a lot and you will get it straight to your face and people telling you you don't deserve your equal rights and you don't deserve shit and you should have the right they

should have the right to discriminate against you. And if we gave you the right to get married, we'd be given the same right to people to marry their goat. I mean, I've been told this shit to my face by my own family. Like this is not some new thing, this new phenomenon that's just happening with people like Gretchen. And it's a pretty interesting reckoning right now in our country where this stuff is happening. And now we're seeing these people take over the laws. And we're seeing what they're doing with the laws to turn them against gay people, my minorities, what they're doing with ice, what they're doing. I mean, it's just a fucking cluster fuck right now in this country.

And now we have to listen to these people being like, oh, my God, you guys are bigots. Who are the real biggest? It's you guys who are calling us out on your podcast and you're calling us out in comments and you're calling us out online and you're crying to cancel us. And we're just trying to have an opinion. Fuck you. Your opinion is that nobody else should have rights except you. So go fuck yourself, Gretchen.

I'm not going to sit here and listen to you fucking cry. and I'm not going to sit here and listen to these other ladies act like they're fucking heroes for calling her on Instagram posts that have been out for years and they did nothing about so they can make their fucking paycheck sitting on this show and pretending that they like her for money. Fuck all you guys. Yeah, well said. So the back at the table, you know, Shannon and Tamara, Shannon's talking about how the damage is really deep and everything and Tamara saying it's disgusting and it's a horrible situation. And then naturally Tamara goes, I mean, she's a horrible fucking person. she's been going after me for 12 years. I'm like, okay, Tamara, no, you can't.

This is not your moment. Yeah, you're a real fucking stonewall, Tamara. Tamara once again, trying to like push her going after me for 12 years agenda. So Gretchen calls up Slade. And she's like, they're accusing me on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, I'm home of phobic. And he's like, what? Yeah. You have no idea.

He's like, well, that's crazy. I mean, that's like, that's like, that's so. not like you i'm confused yeah they're accusing me of being homophobic wow that's the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard and you know that they're planning this because they automatically have uh they automatically have their backup right so it's like oh really tamara the lady who made a homophobic slur on camera at me in 2008 when she said i look like a homo for wearing white thong sandals okay yes that was terrible too i'm not letting tamer off on anything that was 2008 this was last year this is right now slade like come on yeah

yes exactly so um so then slade's like i mean she made a gay slur when you search tamera and gay slur she comes up on the internet well of course she comes up because you typed in her name you idiot so gretchen's like i agree so she goes back to the table and it's awkward tamera's like did slade give you any good advice like well he just said he knows it's absolutely to bullshit and he said you don't have to defend anything like you literally have to defend so much right now like please do not go to slate smiley for uh our advice right now yeah slate also said you didn't have to pay your fucking child support and that's still why you can't marry him you idiot so heather's like well that's where he's wrong though that's where he's wrong and greta's

okay and then there goes yeah you do have to explain if you want your friendship to last you do need to explain. And she's like, but you guys got to understand. This is brand new information to me. No, it's not. And you must have known that this was going to come in some shape or form. You need to be better prepared, you know. No, I think the issue is that she knows she has this in the past, but she thought it was never something that was going to wind up on the show. And so that's why it's new information. So Tamara's like, I don't think Heather wants to hear what you have to say. Twelve years. I've been tormented 12 years. So Heather is really bad. And

Gina's like, I think she wants to hear something else from you, you know? And they're like, we're going to go. We're going to go. So they're all going to go. And Jen's like, you need to defend yourself, Gretchen. That's the fucking problem. I tried to give you the biblical thing. You didn't even take that. Defend yourself. She's like, but I did defend myself. She's like, no, you didn't. I mean, this is sad.

Even I, Jen, Padranti, can see that you're not defending yourself. I even gave you a Bible as a weapon to swing at people and you still wouldn't do it. I'm like, I handed you the weapon. Yeah. And she's like, and then you called Slade. That's the worst thing you could have done is call Slade. So then they basically get a different car for Gretchen. She's not coming in this car. So Jen's like, you know, she needs to tell everybody I did not do this, which she did do.

But they're not going to believe it. So Tamara's, Gretchen comes to get in the car. And Tamara's like, no, no, no. And Emily's like, Gretchen, you need a separate car, honey. And now Gretchen finally gets some fire. Now that Gretchen realizes that she's being iced out by the cast, she's not going to be in the sprinter van. Now suddenly she's able to summon the emotion that she should have had, the outrage that she should have had if she were truly innocent. Yeah, she's like, okay, well, that's fine. I understand, but you guys, you don't, you know, it's not what I believe in. You're doing this to me.

And Heather's like, doing this to you. And she's like, she starts having a fit, a tearless fit, screaming. Like, you guys, why are you doing this to me? I don't know where this is coming from. I've never seen it. I mean, you know, this isn't who I am, Heather. Why would I have all these people in my life? And she's like, I don't know.

And then they're basically like leave. And then those tears, there's no tears. Hershey just dropped her whole act. Yeah, dry face. Yeah, it's like, fuck these people and walks off to her own car. And I mean, I think we pretty much see the fakery right there. Oh, loser. So then Tamas, like, do you guys understand why this entire year I've been so fucking, you're not a good person?

Oh, yes. This sounds like these homophobic, uh, likes have. really been weighing heavily on you, Tamara, which is why you didn't mention them at all at any moment. You didn't even allude to things. Tamara didn't even do her class. They're like, I know things. I've seen things. It's not good. She didn't even do that. Yeah. And saying like, you see what I've been saying this whole year? This whole year, we've seen you trying to make up with Gretchen and make a truce with Gretchen. And just today in this episode, you made a friendship pack with Gretchen. So stop. Please get off the ally hill. You're not like the queen of the

allies here. Okay. The only reason you give a shit is because you can hurt Gretchen with it. you don't win any awards you ain't gonna be glad speaking so much truth today like you are people are such fucking hypocrites i can't especially with tamra it's like congratulations it's like you called the fire department when the house was already burnt down mm-hmm commercials here comes one right now so now it's the next day and everyone's in the car going to the airport and And Gina kicks off the scene with a variation on her trademark. I felt awful about the way that dinner went. I felt awful.

And that's like, I didn't sleep until 3.45. But I went in the actual. Oh, God, this really, this is when I started losing my. I know I've already lost my mind today. I'm trying to stay calm. I know I'm not really staying calm. But I told myself going into this, I wouldn't go too crazy today. I'm trying, okay?

But watching the show, everything you're saying is so, everything you're saying is so true and it's so real. And I think you just, I think you're doing. But I'm just like, okay, veins don't pop out. But this, when I'm watching the show, this is what really killed me when we saw what they were going to do. I was like, you've got to be fucking kidding me, Bravo. So Gina's like, well, I went to the actual pages of the people and she does follow these accounts. Okay. case closed then because honestly

some of these accounts are so fucking disgusting that even that is enough for me to convict but she's like but then I went to the post that she supposedly liked and I can't find one really maybe it's because this was all in the press recently and Slade went back to and unliked every single post yes duh exactly yeah I don't know I mean they're like what over year old

and he was like yeah but like you can't find the actual proof so what sort of proof did you get when you ran in Katie the show just just wondering so tamera's like exactly did she just go and i like these accounts so emily's like well i don't know that's the question you can't just sit across from someone and accuse them of doing something without knowing for sure and then here we are judging her reply and maybe she was just in shock and didn't know what to do and basically like like emily says that question's response did bother her but like we have to decipher what happened in real time without a lot of information i mean I mean, this was not like one post that someone, this, it's like an enormous, an enormous amount of screenshots that are out there.

Also, this argument doesn't work that you're processing this in real time because you've had these posts for two to three weeks by your own admission. Tamara gave you this information two to three weeks ago. So if you really wanted to do all this proof and you really wanted to do all this, why weren't you looking this shit up then? Why are you only looking it up now? You're acting like you're, you're acting like you never had time to do this. You've had these posts for over a year. So Emily is like, I'm just going to go sleep and wake up the naked. You just can't like just wake up smiling happy about this.

So Heather feels, you know, she's like, feels bad. Like she feels terrible because it's a triggering conversation. And she obviously like saw red when it all happened. And Heather's like, you know, but she's also a friend for a long time. So I don't know. Gretchen's always been really kind to me and my family. I would hate to ever accuse someone of something that's not true. true.

Yeah. I have to know what they, what they've talked. I have to know what they talked about in the offseason that made Heather follow Gretchen again. And I'm sure it's going to come out of the reunion. Yeah, who knows? Because I saw a preview for the reunion and it doesn't look like Gretchen's like, okay,

I did say those things and I'm different. I've learned. It's nothing like that. She's blaming everybody else and saying it's all faked like somebody hacked her or something. So I don't know what happened either, but it's crazy that that happened. So it'll be interesting to see. But Heather's like,

I said, I hope this isn't true. And Gretchen said it isn't, so I guess we'll find out. And Gina's like, but guys, okay, it's my finale. I feel really, really, really, really, yeah, and I want to bring something based on information that I thought was true, but now I'm not sure it's true. So I don't know. I'm just not sure. Take a look at the account she stills follow and then tell me it's not true.

That's true. It's true. So, Jim's like, well, I mean, she's saying she didn't do it, you know, so she seemed like very confused by it. Um, it's funny. I wonder if Gretchen thinks that, uh, I wonder if Gretchen feels like she deserves a second chance and for people to understand her. And I wonder if she feels like, um, she's banging her head against the wall because the group has already made a decision about her. And now she's been, you know, kicked out. I wonder. And I wonder if she feels those things. And then she has any sort of reflection about Katie because of course she doesn't. Of course she doesn't. Not to make it all about Katie. But I love, I love going. I love fighting. They're all hypocrites. Yeah. It's just so, yeah, they're hypocrites. So Emily's like, yeah, she should have said, fuck you for Tamber for bringing this up. You guys brought it up, actually. And Gina's like, this just goes back to the root of the problem.

You know, like you and Gretchen go tip for tat all the time. I'm removing myself. And Timmer's like, oh, so now it's my fault. And they're all like, oh, yeah, Gina totally got played. Gina declaring that she's removing herself from the tip for tap between two people is now becoming a tradition on Orange County. Like every, at the end of every season, I'm going to remove myself. Because you're such a fucking idiot. You get played so easily.

You were such an obvious chess piece for everyone on this show. And like every time she announces that she's going to no longer, no longer be part of the manipulation, she just falls into someone else's trap. And it's always right after she does the thing that she was being tricked into doing. It's like you walked in there with a bomb vest. And now you exploded it. And you're like, well, I'm not doing that anymore.

It's like, oh, idiot. So Tamara's like, oh, God, fuck you. You're going to make it seem like it's my fault. And Emily's like, no, or just say that you guys keep coming after each other about stuff you see on mine. And she's like, oh, my God, I don't want to be around her. Like, I don't fight with her. She's a terrible person. And Gina's like, you know, they go on about this.

And Tamara's like, you know, how much shit am I supposed to take from this girl? Like all these things she can say about me and I just sit back. No, fuck checkmate, bitch. Yeah. So now she's like, I'm not destroying my fucking life. And Gretchen Rossi will never fucking destroy my life because I have a good life. And I'm not asking. back in things.

So Gina's like, well, she feels the same. Well, that was a really good speech, Tamara. She feels the same way. And now look at the position she's in. Well, maybe she did it to the South because maybe calm as a bitch. So now we go to one week later at Gretcher's house. So Slate's like, how are you holding up, honey? And she's like, oh, I'm trying to pretend I'm okay.

And she's so depressed because her friends are questioning her. And, you know, she should have thought. to say at the time show me the post not a screenshot like I wouldn't ever like something like this you did Gretchen you liked hundreds of things like that and then you went back and deleted all the likes and she's like yeah

the only reason I said I don't think so is because I'm seeing what everybody else is seeing so I mean I thought it must be true fucking stupid so now Tamara is over talking to Eddie she's like my biggest concern right now is there retaliation against me and you

12 years 12 years we've had to endure this high trip. I can't. I'm scared. Hold me, Eddie. Hold me. I don't want to go down like this. They're going to attack when the lights go out.

Hold a turn on a candle because otherwise we're dead. After production wraps, some of the women received DMs from a person with information about the show, which was not yet known to the public. Let's get him on the phone. So, Gina's like, oh my God, the account is back and now it has a different name. Yeah, Emily just sent me a screen. shot and they said, I know you don't know who I am. I'm just someone who wants to expose the truth. And Tamara's been leaking details about the entire season throughout filming the bloggers and fan pages. Okay, then why didn't we know about this season? No one knew anything about this

season before it came out. So where were these leaks? No, we, no, we knew that we knew that Katie wasn't filming. We knew, I think we knew someone not until the season was going. No, we knew, oh, before the season, we knew that Katie wasn't on the cast trip. We knew that there was a big fight. We knew that there was like that maybe Katie wasn't filming anymore. So we knew certain things for sure. Oh, I thought stuff like that just came out after. Okay. Okay.

Yeah, rescind it was out. So if you want to test my knowledge, feel free. I can prove everything I'm saying. So then we hear the infamous disguised voice on the phone. Like the Jerry Springer. He's probably Matt Janella and like a mustache. So everyone's online. It's like, that's slayed.

It's totally slayed. So, yeah, the voice basically is like, I know this, I know that. I think you guys went to Costa Mesa. There is a detail about Costa Mesa. It was like, oh, yeah, you filmed at a restaurant in Costa Mesa. They're like, Costa Mesa. He knows everything now. But, yeah, this person did no details, specific details about the shooting.

And then the producers are like cross-cutting between what this person's saying and actual scenes that happened. It was like the end of the usual suspects. It's like, I'm expecting, you know, Tamara to like lose a limp and go walking off into the sunset after this scene. They're all just like shocked and it's like, oh my God. Like Tamara is getting away with leaking info, get holding Katie accountable for doing the exact same thing. So the first thing I'm going to do is not call Katie and apologize to her. So one thing I want to point out that we didn't mention is in Slade and Gretchen's thing,

one of the last things he said in that scene is I'm going to get to the bottom of where they came from and I'm going to find out who's the owner of this freaking page. So I think Slade has a lot to do with this what's going on here at the end. Because this totally seems like revenge because Slade could have called whoever this person is and told them all of those details too, you know? But that said, I 100% believe that Tamara was doing this. So I believe that Tamara does it. I think a lot of them do it.

I think Tamara's been guilty of this for years and everybody knows it. She got caught in that, she got caught in one of these things with that blonde hair, blue, black heart Twitter guy who, you know, she was fighting with him over stuff that she had told him and then he turned against her. I mean, she's been having this problem with bloggers and stuff for years. So I 100% believe this about Tamara. However, none of this matters. It's not what we're talking about. The point is Gretchen. The point is Gretchen's posts.

And now they're all making it that Tamara has been talked. Who cares? We know that Tamara talks to bloggers. We've known it for years. It's a well-known out-of-the-claw. It's not a secret. Gretchen still like those posts. So now what are you guys saying?

Are you saying that Gretchen faked all of this? I want to hear you say it. No, I don't. I actually, to me, I didn't see this as, like, anything that, like, negates what Gretchen did. I think it's just showing that, like, it's saying, you know, Tamara is fucking messy also and that they, I feel like it's a weird, like a weird resolution for Katie, honestly.

I think it was their way of saying like, look at what Tamara does too. Now, tune in next week for the reunion. I think that's kind of what it was. It was like a little something to queue up the reunion. Be like, let's give it. Let's get it to her girls. Okay. But I actually really like to do with getting Gretchen and Slade off.

Off the hook, I mean, not off. Although it did probably get them off, watching Chama finally got hurt at the end. I really liked your theory that you said earlier because, of course, I didn't think of it. I didn't even occur to me. but I like your conspiracy theory that the producers were angry that Tamara brought this onto the show so the revenge is that they're going to expose Tamara

for leaking to the press. I think that's like a pretty good conspiracy theory BTS, but I didn't, but it did not, the scene regardless of that theory, regardless I don't think the scene read to me

as a, you know what, like we shouldn't we shouldn't be let me start over again this the scene did not read to me like it was exonerating gretchen it just read to me like you know what tamara is acting high and mighty but she's also down there in the dirt okay well they sure get tamara at the end at the end of this although i will point out just to be fair there is no proof except this one person's word where's the screenshots where's the text Where's the DMs? So I don't know.

I believe the time. Heather gets so mad at you. Heather gets so mad at you that you messed up her line. Well, Heather doesn't even bring them. Heather's the one who made up the whole receipts proof timeline. And she has none of that in Salt Lake City. But we'll get to that. We'll get to that next time.

I think I would like going forward. And I said this at the end of the Salt Lake City recap. I think that Bravo needs to rein in some of this, like, who leaked what? to the press. I just don't think this is the most compelling content. And I think it's actually a little toxic for these shows. Salt Lake City is fine because Salt Lake City is so funny. They can argue about anything. But I think it gets away from the central premise of what watching a real housewife show is about. We want it to be about dynamics amongst the women. And yes, of course, arguing about who leaked what does bring out those dynamics. But I just

think it's a it's too much stuff about stuff that happens in between seasons and off camera and I don't think it's a good move I think it was bad when it happened on beverly hills I think it's bad when it's happening now I think it puts salt lake city in a risky position so I think going forward I would love it if bravo kind of when these things happen bravo says we're not talking we're not fighting about that it's it's too abstract or have like a zero tolerance you know have like a zero tolerance thing where if you're caught doing it you're fired And that's it, you know? Like do something to put a stop to it instead of leaning into it

and making it a plotline on every single show. Because I think you're right. It's like enough. Yeah, it's too much. Like the best parts of the show is when we see someone say something or do something about their life or whatever. And then people react to it. And it becomes a thing.

Like the most compelling seasons are when a friend stops being friends with someone else. It starts being friends with someone else. And we weigh in on why did that friendship fall apart? Or, oh, this person's not treating this person well. But like, kind of like every week have to weigh in on who leaked what? Did they leak? Are we on their side? It's actually a bit tiresome for me.

Like, it's not a debate that I fundamentally care about. I actually don't care who leaked what because ultimately I think they all leak. I think they all say things. And I don't, like, I'm sort of sick of having to guess whether or not did maybe Katie said it as like she didn't think it was a big deal. or maybe she said it like this, then was misheard this. Like, how many times I've got to talk about a game of telephone? Like, I think it's time for Bravo to definitely, like, tighten up this ship across the board on all their shows. I agree.

Just to play devil's advocate, though, the social media, social media has been another character on this show for years. I mean, we even have a character on this show named Social Media, because before they could say Twitter and all of that, they would say, you know, we heard this from somewhere. someone and so we would always say and now the bitchiest housewife of all time so shaw madea comes to the stage because it was always a character on the show like what you got caught saying about on whatever they didn't even allow them to say twitter or whatever forever and then once they started allowing it it was kind of cool at first because it was like oh now they're calling it's like behind the scene stuff where it's like okay now they're calling themselves out about the tv show stuff which is interesting i think that brought a really interesting

dynamic but it's yeah i think it's gotten to the point where it's just like it's the whole show now it's every plot on every show is like who's talking to some fucking loser on twitter you know yeah and like i don't mind if there's drama that no offense people from twitter not calling you losers but you know what i mean yeah but like you know if someone if whitney rose goes and writes a tweet that's obnoxious let's say and then lisa barlo sees it and gets annoyed at her that's fair like because that's you know social we we live in a world with social media we participate in social media and that's you know because but we can see tangibly that Whitney wrote something. Lisa read it. She was upset and she reacted and that like that is a dramatic stake that makes sense to us. But if it's all like you spoke to someone and then

they said this thing about a thing and I can't believe you said that, it's just it's too in the shadows and it's also too much about the show itself. And I just don't, I don't, it's just not compelling to me anymore. I'm a little over it. said, by the way, I love this season. Everyone hates this season. I love this season. Even with this dark ass finale, I thought this season was great. I was actually very much into it. I thought it lost steam after Katie left, but I still really enjoyed it. And I'm hopeful that it is our swan song for Emily and Orgina. I think it's going to have to be a swan song for a lot of these people. I don't see how Gretchen is going to come back from this. I don't see a camera is going to come back

from this. You know, I don't see them getting rid of Tamara, but I also don't see how they're going to keep her after this. I think Emily, Emily and Gina are just done. Heather didn't even bother pretending to live in Orange County. And her end card said she's not even going to try. It's like she ain't looking back to Orange County. So she, that's two hours away. I mean, that's not like so close drive. It's not like just being in a, in a borough, you know, in a suburb. That's another city. It's, it's far away. So I think, I think, I think we start with Emily and Gina. And then we see how the rest of the show bears with them. That's what I'm, that's, those are my notes. I understand that Heather lives in Beverly Hills, but she, look, she attended. She showed up. Tamara, I think is

our villain. I think we keep Tamara. We don't get rid of our villains. Otherwise, you wind up with a Heather and Gina situation again. Shannon, I would like to see less wackiness season. But like Shannon, you know, I always keep Shannon. She's always going to have something going on and I think they bring back Katie. I think they will bring it back. Katie is such a fan favorite that they bring back Katie. Gretchen not coming back for sure. I don't think they can bring back Gretchen.

And I don't know, maybe they'll give Lydia another shot. Lydia. Oh, God. That's all we fucking need. Maybe Peggy Tannis. Oh, God. That's all we need is more, more of that. But, yeah, well, I mean, I guess, look, I just have to finish this season by just giving a

nice solid. But fuck you to Gretchen. Fuck off, Gretchen. All right. Thanks, everybody, for being with us this season of Real Housewives of Orange County. We will, of course, be back for the three-part reunion extravaganza to see what bullshit they're going to try and make stick to the wall this time. We will talk to you next week, everybody. Thanks for being here.

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