Watch What Crappens - #3075 RHOSLC S609 Part 2: Fight or Flight Response

Episode Date: November 12, 2025

This is part 2 of a 2-part recapThe Real Housewives of Salt Lake City wraps up its Below Deck crossover stint and dives right into a wild controversy involving Meredith, Britani, and one very... harrowing flight home. Plus, Bronwyn and Whitney swap surprising stories about their marriages.  To watch this recap on video, listen to our bonus episodes, and participate in live episode threads, go to Patreon.com/watchwhatcrappens. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:01:10 and mary's like you were wise beyond your years for not traveling back with us she's like was it awful pure chaos she's like um couldn't have been that bad she's like from the time we boarded the time we sat in our seats meredith started going in on brittney and you know i have my own things with brittany but i feel like you know at the end of the day right is right and wrong is wrong I mean, let's also not overlook this, Ronnie. Mary hates Britney, hates her. Think she's a waste of space. She doesn't like talking to this person.
Starting point is 00:01:40 And even she is taking up for Brittany in this situation. So that's a bad sign. Yeah. I mean, look, I don't doubt that Lisa and Meredith were monsters on that plane. I'm just, the thing I doubt is the level at which Heather and Whitney take it to. You know, they just take it to this level. It's like, she was screaming at the top of. her lungs for four hours straight and na na na na na and that's where i'm like but you can tell just how
Starting point is 00:02:05 meredith is reacting that she's guilty you know of some of this i guess my i guess my thing is i just don't understand meredith doing this on the boat and everybody being fine with it and heather running around screaming bitch at somebody and telling her she's guilty of all of this stuff that this lady's claiming she didn't do to the point where she's sobbing and heather's still going at her constantly. I don't understand how all of this stuff is so different. Like, they're all acting like they're on some moral high ground, but it's different because it's on a plane. It's different because it's off camera. On the boat, you're making content. You're making a TV show. But on the plane, it's like, okay, cameras are down, you know, like union rules. Oh, too, this is. I guess. Okay.
Starting point is 00:02:50 That makes sense. I actually genuinely think it's kind of like, okay, like, when people are being ridiculous on the boat there I think there's some element of because we're on camera this is our job our job is to be like brutally honest right now and we're going to be confrontational but it's all in purpose of providing a story for everyone even though it's our truth but it's also like we're we're going to communicate in a way that's different than our normal communications but now it's like we're we're recovering and I think also there I think the I think sitting behind someone on a plane and just talking shit about them for like four hours is there's a level of nastiness to that that is different than kind of like a confrontation
Starting point is 00:03:39 at a table, you know, where you can say, well, I was mad, but like really like, like, the word bullying gets thrown around a lot and almost too much, not almost, definitely too much on Bravo. But this situation, it does harken back to some classic, you know, middle school bullying. And I think people are reacting to that. Yeah. Agreed. So then we go to Whitney and Justin golfing. And Whitney is bending over touching her toes in her little skirt trying to get attention from Justin. And again, it doesn't work, which I felt kind of bad. So I was glad for that scene later where Whitney's going to go get some from somebody else because she's really trying with this guy. And he's just like, whatever. So then she starts telling him about what happened on the plane.
Starting point is 00:04:25 And she's like, that was the most unhinged, vulgar thing. Meredith lost her frickin' mind. And when she started going for Brittany, and then Lisa was just in her ear pouring fuel on the fire. And then she'd look over to Brittany and be like, you fucked up. You owe Meredith an apology. You fucked up.
Starting point is 00:04:43 Yeah. And then she'd look at me and be like, Whitney, give us your phone. Show us the proof. The TikTok doesn't exist. You guys are liars. Now, I do believe that there is a world where the tone, Lisa may have said those words,
Starting point is 00:04:58 but the tone could have been slightly different. Not to be a Lisa apologist, but this is more like, I take everything that Whitney says with a grain of salt. I can imagine Lisa being like, Brittany, you really fucked up on this one. You need to apologize. Yeah, you really need to.
Starting point is 00:05:09 Yeah, we're fucked up. Like, it could have, it could have gone both ways. And like, Whitney is really good at misinterpreting things. So in this case, I'm like, okay, I'm taking this one with a grain of salt. But that being said, I do think that Meredith and Lisa were again being dicks to Britney on this plane. Yeah, I think, look, I think my general stance is it's in the middle of what all these people are saying. I think it's somewhere in the middle.
Starting point is 00:05:33 It's certainly not as innocent as Meredith is making it sound, but it's not as violin, Heather and Whitney are going to make it sound because they're Heather and Whitney, you know. And I think that like, no matter, and no matter what Meredith says, Meredith frames it as I was just venting to Lisa about my feelings. It's like, well, Brittany's right there. Like, you're being mean. It doesn't matter. Like, Meredith Marks is one of my faves. But, like, this is a mean moment for her. This is a real mean moment for her.
Starting point is 00:06:03 So then we go to Lisa and John. And, of course, she's eating, like, Wendy's nuggets and dipping them in the sauces and stuff. And she's like, oh, my God. That was, like, so crazy. Yeah, like, Meredith lost our mind. You know, and she's my friend. Like, I love her so much. But, you know, she was.
Starting point is 00:06:19 was like crying she was so hurt and she didn't talk to bretney she was just saying all this mean stuff about brittany like to me but she was being so loud and he's like but you weren't saying anything right she goes no i would never i would never no i would never but you know like i don't know like i've never seen meredith that upset you know and i've seen meredith mad but i've never seen her that upset okay so now lisa so now i'm starting to change because lisa we've seen how Meredith has gone off on Lisa and it's been ugly and Lisa kind of deserved it too because that was after the
Starting point is 00:06:52 bathroom venting thing caught on Mike situation. Meredith's dad had died. Yes. And Meredith lost her shit on Lisa. So now this is where I start to change and I'm like, oh well if Lisa is saying that Meredith was that crazy
Starting point is 00:07:08 then now I don't know. Now I'm stumped. Now I'm like shit Meredith did it. Meredith is 100% guilty. Or Lisa's trying to create distance. because she knows it was a bad look and she's trying to be like, yeah, I'll throw her under the bus that way I don't get any dirt on me.
Starting point is 00:07:22 But I agree with you. I keep on sort of playing out all the different scenarios. I like to voice out all the perspectives because I know there'll be people who would say, but what about this? And so I'm sort of trying to like hold room for all the perspectives,
Starting point is 00:07:34 but I do think ultimately, yeah, I think like Meredith was, at the very least, Meredith was talking shit about Brittany right there, right behind her back where Brittany could clearly hear it and it was not a nice thing to do. It was not, I mean,
Starting point is 00:07:45 even if see that changes. This is my opinion, though, because if she was just talking to Lisa, even if she was doing it loud enough that Brittany could hear, and she's like, fuck this girl. I don't mind that because Brittany just brought on the camera that her husband's cheating. So to me, it's like, well, you know, you bought the ticket, sit for the show. That's how I feel about that. But if Meredith was screaming and yelling and for four hours straight and wouldn't stop and was shaking her chair and throwing wine on her and pulling her hair and Lisa was behind her abusing her as well, yeah, that's totally different. That's bullying. So it's so hard to have an opinion because I don't know that I believe that it was that extreme. So I can't say they were bullies because Brittany kind of deserved it. But then on the other hand, you know, if they were that extreme, then they are bullies. So it's just hard to say. And I'm flip-flopping, not because I don't have an opinion, but because we don't have all the information. I think the most damning thing is Mary.
Starting point is 00:08:37 I think the fact that Mary is taking up for Brittany speaks volumes. And I think Mary's entire demeanor in the final scene of the episode, which we'll get to, I think that also spoke volumes. She seemed genuinely upset and scared. Like she seemed nervous almost, not nervous, but like she, she had this, her entire body language and her voice, everything about her seeing like, oh, I'm not telling you like you need to check yourself. She's like, are you okay? Because what I saw was alarming. She was rattled.
Starting point is 00:09:13 Like she'd seen a ghost. And I feel like that was most dangerous. I think that was because it was a drug. I think in Mary's mind that was a drug and alcohol conversation. And I think they're like, well, Mary is going to be the one to have this conversation because she's got the thing going on with her son. And so if anyone's going to have a drug and alcohol conversation, we're going to make it. We're going to make Mary do it.
Starting point is 00:09:32 And so I think Mary was kind of approaching him from that. But why would they need to have that conversation? Because she was fucked up on the plane. It's like if she was merely just like talking shit or merely just like whatever, but like it was obviously bad enough that on some level we believe that that people felt there was there was some other greater thing happening. So that's bad. So anyway, over at the Grand Hyatt, Britney joins Heather and Heather's like, I was so scared that you were going to cancel. I kept checking my phone and then I remembered you're just a friend of. You're desperate for any camera time you can get.
Starting point is 00:10:08 So welcome, sister. How are you? It feels just like a stupid question to ask. I'm so sorry. You know, it's an even stupider question? How about this one? You want to change seats? God, I hate stupid questions. Oh my gosh, Heather. I just feel like I've hardly slept. I haven't eaten.
Starting point is 00:10:27 She's like, oh, my gosh. That's not how trips should end. Sisterhood trips especially. And there's no sister stances that would even justify the way that you were treated. So, Brittany is like... The scene is also a battle of the teeth. This is a battle of the add-ons. What do you call the add-on teeth on? Where people put the add-on teeth on?
Starting point is 00:10:47 What are those called? Like ventures. Veneers? Vaniers, yeah. It's a veneer fight. They're both like, what do you think? I was very hurt. Really, you were hurt? Tell me about it, sister. I was hurt. It's like dueling pianos. So Brittany is like, you know, it's hard for me to even talk about it. You know, I just, I can feel the trauma in my body. I feel like I've been hit by a truck, a trauma truck. Does that make sense?
Starting point is 00:11:13 I wasn't listening. But when I saw that Lisa and Meredith were seated next to each other, there's something crazy, there's a crazy vortex of bullying that happens when they're together. They just feed off each other. And I saw it happened. And I assumed they would settle down. And then as you were shedding those first few tears, I went to sleep. Did anything else that happened while I was asleep?
Starting point is 00:11:35 But then this is where I start going the other way. It was so bad. It was so bad this vortex of bullying that you went to. to sleep? That just that doesn't make sense. So Britney's like, well, it just got so out of control, Heather, like four hours and they were still at it hair pulling. She goes, what happened
Starting point is 00:11:53 with Meredith when she got up to go to the bathroom? And she said, she grabbed my seat and just shook it like this. I'm not going to lie. Dick move, like kind of a hilarious image of Meredithick in airplane chair and be like, oh, you're taking it, bitch. Excuse me, just trying
Starting point is 00:12:11 to get up, you know? And so she was screaming this one, this one. And Heather's like, yeah, I think that's when I woke up in a haze. And I thought you were laughing because I saw your chair shake. And, okay, so if you saw her chair shake, wouldn't you see Meredith standing up and shaking the chair? I know. And I think Lisa said, you fucked up. You fucked up.
Starting point is 00:12:32 Show us the video. Give us the video. And she goes, oh, so you heard her say that? And she's like, yes, I heard her. And that's when I think I'd woken up. And I said, what are you doing? Leave her alone. And then they both came at me full force.
Starting point is 00:12:44 And Brittany doesn't say like, well, thanks for saying something. So she just says, I just felt like really vulnerable. And I think they were just trying to make me feel really small. And I'm just really disappointed myself that eventually I started crying. And I just didn't want them to know that they broke me. She says that the flight attendant kept on checking on her. And they were like, are you okay, Ms. Bateman? Is there anything we can get you, Ms. Bateman?
Starting point is 00:13:06 Are you okay, Ms. Bateman? Can I get your autograph? I loved you in Miss Saigon, Ms. Bateman. Yes, I saw the off, off, off Broadway, uh, Osaka version and you were wonderful in it, Miss Bateman. And I'm just like, yeah, I'm like, they, like, they gave me water. And I don't know, I just can't believe Lisa would turn on me like that. I was just, I've been so good to her. Yeah, I've just been so good for her. I've defended her when she, when she wasn't even there, like fiercely. And, um, she says, you know, she wasn't only egging it on. She was part of it.
Starting point is 00:13:35 And she was kicking my seat. And she told me to my face that I deserved it. And, um, she said, She says, you know, she's just as culpable as Meredith. And I don't know. I just keep saying that I'm the unsinkable rubber ducky, but I feel really broken. And Heather's like, you deserve support. You deserve dignity. You deserve. Roms with Mr. Hood.
Starting point is 00:13:56 Sisterhood. We are women. And so she starts doing the whole thing. And she's like, when there is a line between right and wrong, I choose the side of right. And I'm on your side. That's like, okay, bad weather. You're ganging up on people and bullying them is totally up your two's alley as well. But she's like, I'm here for you.
Starting point is 00:14:21 We are going against them together. So the lines are drawn in the sand. Yeah, she literally is like, if there was any like back and forth, there's any sort of like on the fence, don't worry. I am firmly on your team. And this is also just as great because now I can use this against Lisa. So now we go to Bronwyn and Whitney. So this was, this is this, they go to a place called Le Depot, which I thought was where we had performed at the depot, because there was like a fancy restaurant next to the depot. So I was like, oh, my God, they're at the restaurant next to where we went.
Starting point is 00:14:53 And then it wasn't at all. Because of course I looked it up and it was in Park City. I was like, oh, wamp, womp, so Whitney, she is like, oh my God, Bronwyn, you missed the flight from Hades. She's like, oh, my God, what happened? Okay. So the person of, tell me, tell me, it was a lot. So, well, I went and I had dinner with Mary, and she told me a little bit about it. Oh, really?
Starting point is 00:15:18 Why did she say? Well, she said that Meredith freaked out on the plane and went ham on Brittany for hours. No, they didn't serve him. No, it's an expression. Meredith was completely unhinged. She was taunting her and terrorizing her, and Brittany was a puddle. Yeah, it was, Lisa was yelling at her too and saying, you fucked up. It was ballistic.
Starting point is 00:15:42 I don't know if it was fueled by alcohol sleeping pills. I don't know. But it was pure rage. And so Bronwyn's like, yeah, I don't know if this is exaggerated because the TSA would have done something. So this is weird. And someone would have taken a video. So for once, I'm exactly on the same page as Bronwyn. Like, if it was that crazy, where's a video at?
Starting point is 00:16:02 Someone would have taken a damn video. Yeah, absolutely. So then we see. So then Bronwyn's like, well, apparently. Todd and Meredith have something in common need to be reminded of flight etiquette Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, now I don't know if you saw, if you saw, but it was on Twitter that people are accusing Todd
Starting point is 00:16:22 of getting caught on a plane cheating on me. Yeah, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, yeah, I'd land in Salt Lake to a mess on Twitter and Todd was on his flight to New York and someone's caught him looking at photos of women on his phone. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, it happened. It happened. She, and she, her mm-hmms are bigger than they've been all seasons. She's like, you know what?
Starting point is 00:16:42 I've decided I'm going to do the Watcher Crappin's impersonation of me right now. She was doing like a big old, mm-hmm, and shaking her head. Like, I'm surprised her forehead didn't knock over a glass of water. So then we see all these tweets from this scandal of Todd, Todd being caught on the plane. I mean, this is, I'm always amazed by people who do such brazen things like this. Like, why are you, you are now a public figure, sir? Why are you looking at pictures of women and why are you flirting with women on your phone? And a public space, you dingbat.
Starting point is 00:17:20 So, Whitney is like, sat behind Todd Bradley on a flight from SLC to JFK. Todd was looking at a photo and text of mysterious woman in lingerie. Tom Bradley, Todd Bradley was spotted on his flight looking at women who weren't his wife. I mean, that's a nothing burger to me. Someone sitting there looking at pictures of hot women on their phone. I mean, well, but I sound like he was corresponding.
Starting point is 00:17:46 And so, corresponding. And so either way, this is fuel for the fire. Can't even have an affair anymore. I mean, I swear to God, people are just everywhere with their fucking cameras.
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Starting point is 00:19:08 And in person, yeah, yeah, I do because they knew where Todd was sitting on the plane. And they said they were sitting behind him. And they knew what flight he was on. And when he came home, I was like, what, what, what's this shit on Twitter? And he goes, what's Twitter? And I said, it's actually a, it's a social media thing. And he goes, what's social media? I said, you know, it's that thing that's on your phone?
Starting point is 00:19:27 He says, my palm pilot doesn't have anything on its phone except for a calendar. And he says, isn't that great? And I said, no, Todd, we have to talk about the affair and goes, what affair? Because it's not on my calendar, which is on my palm pilot. Do you see my palm pilot as a calendar? isn't that amazing technology? I said, it's very nice, Todd, but I'm trying to talk about something important. He goes, what's more important than the fact that we finally got a calendar on a phone? This went on for hours.
Starting point is 00:19:48 Then he goes, well, ask your friends, because they love to dabble in this kind of gossip and nonsense. He said that. And it's probably them, he said, mm-hmm. And I was like, no, no, no, no, mm-mm. Head-shaking now. Head-shaking now. Absolutely not, Todd. Absolutely not. She was like, gotcha. You were going to make me feel bad about getting into a fight with Lisa of Barlow as Bridgett, but then you're the one who is sort of having a fair. So guess what? I get to be the winner. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:16 So then it changes over. Then everything changes. So she's like, well, yeah, she's like, well, when I got this screenshot tweet, I was furious with him, you know, because he had a business trip and blah, blah, blah. But, you know, we needed some space. So we got out of there. And I think they're just making, you know, I think what they're saying on Twitter is that he was talking to someone behind my back.
Starting point is 00:20:38 And they were sending him photos. And if it was someone sending him photos, and we talked about that ahead of time, it wouldn't even bother me. Yeah. What do you think of that? Because I don't know that I could say that to anybody else in this group of friends. But you are the one who is a swinger and got fired for putting chocolate all over your ass on camera with your husband. So I think you and I are on the same page. Huh?
Starting point is 00:20:59 What? I'm shocked. I'm shocked. Yeah. Because I think, yeah. You know, if Todd said to me, I'd like to sleep with other people or I'd like us to do it together, I would at least try it, you know? Look, I don't want to be done with Todd. I want to evolve with Todd.
Starting point is 00:21:11 And I need him to evolve with me. Okay. So, mm-hmm. And Whitney's like, Whitney's eyes are so wide. She's like, oh, my God. Does he understand that? Well, I don't, I don't think we're all the way there yet. I mean, he's just learning about text messaging.
Starting point is 00:21:28 But like, so we're working on it. So wait a minute. So what is the agreement? Well, that's what irritates me is that we don't actually have one. And I would rather when Lisa says, Oh, I heard Todd was making out with someone. I'm like, I bet he was. And I picked her out for him.
Starting point is 00:21:42 I mean, what else? I mean, theoretically. I mean, I didn't actually do that. Did I do that? Do you want to, would you want to say something before I say it more? Because I feel like I'm giving a lot. Yeah. So she gets saucy.
Starting point is 00:21:51 She's like, oh, yeah, I picked her out. So what do you think of that? Oh. And Whitney's like, whoa. Well, I understand that fully because I went through it with Justin because we got a lot of friends who do that. You know, they're like they swing and have arrangements and stuff. Well, we call it different lifestyles. and like, you know, obviously with our age difference, we talk about it because he's old and so is Todd.
Starting point is 00:22:15 She's like, yeah, they're disgusting. So, you know, it's like, yeah, so I need an escape hatch. So we talk about it, especially when we're on the outs, you know. But we don't do it, of course. She's like, oh, yeah, we don't do it either. Yeah, we don't do it. No, me neither. Absolutely not.
Starting point is 00:22:31 We don't even think about it. We don't even think about it. So when we talk about it, we're like, what's the rules? too. I actually couldn't follow it that much. I was like trying to follow it. I was like, are we talking theoretically? Or we're talking about this is the rule. Did you, like, were there extracurriculars? Are there not extracurriculars? She's like, I just always want him to get home safe. And I always communicate with him. And I just think like, life is meant to be lived and marriage is sacred. So that's why I'm getting back on the poll. Okay. Yeah. So she says,
Starting point is 00:23:03 she says basically the friends, she's like, Justin and I talk about it. all the time, especially when we were about to break up. We talked about opening the relationship. And, you know, when my friends do it, they have to have all these rules. So, you know, you have to have rules. And the minute you break the rules, then you're going against the marriage. But like, just doing stuff and having rules, that's not really breaking the marriage. Like, I mean, I always tell Justin, you know, don't worry. I'm going to go out and I'm going to be safe and I'm going to get home fine. And then we communicate the whole time. And that's what makes it okay. Not that I do it. But, you know, if I did, it. It would be that way. I would text him and say, I'm going to be okay. And I'm, it's this whole big
Starting point is 00:23:44 long monologue where basically she's saying, we don't do it, but we do it. And when we do it, it is good because we keep in contact with each other if we did it, which we don't do it. It's like the O.J. Simpson book that almost came to be. If I did it, this is how I would have done it by OJ Simpson. So Brom is that. And Bronwyn's like, well, you know what? I'm happy. And I know you're happy with Justin and I'm happy with Todd but you know it also has to work and frankly you know most of the time it doesn't okay it's I have you tried to do a helicopter on Walter Mathau okay it's not easy yeah and we need to be evolving the same place in the same direction at least and Todd can do what he wants to do and I can do what I want to do but we need
Starting point is 00:24:28 to still be in a partnership when we get to where we want to go a hundred percent Dauphin outfits are not the only thing I've been inflating in that household. Okay. You know, I knew you'd understand because it's not that I, it's not that I want something so different, but like a little change, of course, like, you know, you correct a bit. You course, correct a little bit, and it goes really far off, and we need to be going the same place. And I'm just to keep speaking vagaries until your eyes glaze over, because I think you're losing
Starting point is 00:24:53 the thread now. Yeah, well, there's just been times where I thought, like, I wanted something different and Justin thought he wanted something different, but then we wanted. wanted the same thing, but it was different, and then I wanted something different. And then I was like, Prism. And he was like, what? And I was like communicating through it. Like, we went to therapy and like, we got to the brute of why we were feeling that way. Uh, the brute. Yeah. I mean, the brunt? Huh? Who's that? Yeah. But you know what? So like, you know, we fucked other people and stuff. But then we went to therapy. But then we realized we're our partners.
Starting point is 00:25:28 So we didn't never do it. You're so full of it. And she says, but when my kids are out of the house, you know I'm going to do whatever the fuck I want. And she says, I'll invite you to my parties. And Brom was like, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, yeah. By then we'll be deep in our own arrangements to all come. Mm-hmm. So I thought this whole scene was pretty fascinating.
Starting point is 00:25:47 I can't believe that they did it. And it seemed kind of impromptu, and I loved it. I loved every second of it. And, you know, I think, you know, I'm not like you just, they're not like my favorites, but I was proud of them for this scene. I thought it was good. It's nice to hear some real honest-ish discussion about modern times and what a relationship in modern times is. So it's like, you go, girls, drinking my wine.
Starting point is 00:26:11 There's no shame. I wonder if Chris is what we need. That Applegate has a problem with this. So then we go to, by the way, buried in this was this scene, which I also thought was quite compelling. And it's Angie. And so she is wearing a Greek flag, of course, because it's Angie. I can't. And Angie is helping Electra pack for a trip. And by the way, this whole scene takes place,
Starting point is 00:26:33 Electra's cute little bedroom. And it's so funny because she has all these ribbons up on the wall, which is like, it's, I don't know why the ribbons crack me up. But my favorite part is that there's like this little, there's a picture of what's the name of the dog, Celia or something like that? Or Ciliac or something. Siliac. That dog.
Starting point is 00:26:52 Like, did you prepare this dog food on the same counter as gluten? But there's a picture. of the dog, it's like a photo of the dog and the dog's just sitting there with like pink ears and it's just like on the shelf on the side. I just thought it was so funny. There's just a giant photo of the dog right there. And it's in the background of the entire scene.
Starting point is 00:27:09 Electra's having this whole like, ugh, mom's scene and the dog, the picture of the dog is like, hey. Yeah, so she's helping her pack and she's going to her next horse show and she's trying to be nice to her daughter, but her daughter is in that age where she clearly hates her.
Starting point is 00:27:24 And she's like, well, you need sun tan lotion. And, you know, that is why I get so many compliments on my skin. Do you think I have nice skin? Okay, well, for an older lady, I do. So, Sunbuck, and don't forget to reply a midday, why, hello, would you look at me? And she's like, oh, leave me alone, mother. Do you like my sweater? Did you notice it?
Starting point is 00:27:44 She's like, yes, I noticed it. How can I not fucking notice it? It's a gigantic Greek flag, mother. I see it. I know. By the way, I mean, let's also apply. Angie for some brutal honesty because we just had a scene where Whitney and Brahmin were saying some truths that we never thought we'd hear on the show. And now here comes Angie. She said the
Starting point is 00:28:06 words older woman on a housewife show. I don't think you're even allowed to say that. Like what? What are you talking about? Older woman. Ha ha ha ha. I know. I'm surprised it wasn't bleeped out. I know. So Angie's like, do you see the Greek flag? I don't like it, mother. Well, I was thinking a lot of sports are Olympic sports and your sport is one of the most beautiful sports in the Imagine if you continue on, you could actually compete in the Olympics for Greece. What do you think of that? Angie just putting Electra on an Olympic track out of nowhere for Greece. For Greece.
Starting point is 00:28:40 And she's like, why, I'm American, why would I be on an Olympic team for Greece? Like, that doesn't even make sense. And she's like, but your grandfather is from Greece. And, you know, isn't that great? She's like, I mean, I don't really. care? And she goes, well, Electra's like, yeah, like, Papua didn't immigrate for me
Starting point is 00:29:02 to represent Greece. And she's like, well, I'm sure that wasn't on his radar at 17. Being a Greek is in your roots. And that's when your ancestors are from and I can relate. Because when I was 13 years old, I thought about being Greek or being American. And none of this stuff
Starting point is 00:29:18 even crossed my mind. But the fact is, you are Greek. I'm aware. I am Greek. I'm aware. We are Greek. I know. mother. Stop saying Greek. I have to say, when she said, when she said Papu didn't immigrate for me to represent Greece, I was like, damn, that was cold. That was so cold. Pappu was like, I literally did that. He's like, when I was 13 and I moved to America, I thought someday I'll have a
Starting point is 00:29:43 granddaughter who'll do a question and represent Greece in the Olympics. So, and you know, but it is true. It is true. I think what, I think that she has a point. I think the kid has a point. I mean, my family immigrated here. My grandparents immigrated here. And it was very important for them for their children to be American. You know, they were full blood Lebanese, but they wanted them to be American. So they didn't teach them the language. They didn't teach them. You know, they grew up only being American. And it was very important for them. They're like, we escaped that for this. So we want you to be proud of this. And all my cousins, all of us have a lot of pride in being Lebanese. We know the food. We, you know, we try to get into the culture and stuff like that.
Starting point is 00:30:28 But the wishes of our grandparents were to be Americans, you know. So I can kind of see what she's saying where it's like, okay, well, this is all kind of latent. Like, we're also American, you know, and Angie found pride later in life. And a lot of people do. I think especially Greek people, you know, because I've known a lot of Greek people. And there is no taking that away. You know, they love being Greek. They're very into being Greek, as they should be.
Starting point is 00:30:53 Um, but you know, I can see how the kids are like, what the fuck? Leave me alone with this. You're like, you didn't even start this until you were on the show. And now you're on this show. You got popular for talking about being Greek. And now everything about you is a Greek flag. I think it's probably how Electra feels. I think, I think actually, I mean, honestly, Angie,
Starting point is 00:31:12 Angie basically sitting her daughter down and being like, I've been thinking about it. And I think I want you to be an Olympian and you have to represent Greece is like a wild thing to drop on your daughter. who's just like, I'm just trying to get back onto TikTok. It's like, guess what? You will now be doing this on an international stage for Athens. So, Angie, though, I have to say as crazy as the request is, Angie is like, she's, I think this is an
Starting point is 00:31:39 incredibly sweet scene and it's like very moving. She's like, Electra, it's an honor. Do have roots in a country that started civilization? I'm like, well, it didn't start civilization, but like democracy maybe, but let's relax here a little. bit. It's like, every time we go there, you've gotten to see where Papu is from and all the hardships he went through and you're sitting in this beautiful house with a roof over your head, with food, with hot water, with shoes, with a mattress that's three counties wide, all the
Starting point is 00:32:05 things that Papu never had. Do you know why you're riding that horse that cost as much as my Porsche? She's like, what? It does? I'm selling this shit the second I get a chance. Yes. And I think just the thought of having all of this because he didn't makes me even more grateful for the country that he came from. That is why I'm considering becoming a dual citizen and I am going to be joining the Olympics in, I'll be joining the Olympics in doing Olympic level perms. That's why I've been practicing. So, Elektra, just standing there ready to twist the knife is like, yeah, well, I think I
Starting point is 00:32:47 resonate more with dad's side of the family history because Papa's a trainer and Papa's grandpa was a trainer. I'm into horses. And she's like, I was not raised around horses, so it hurts to know she's more connected to something I didn't even know about. But I want her to embrace being Greek and the heritage and the culture. And I'm hoping that it's just a phase end,
Starting point is 00:33:10 that she comes back around. And Electra's like, I mean, like your... Does she even know about Pegasus? We literally have flying horses in Greece. I mean, come on. One time I said knock knock and she said who's there and I said Olympia Dukakis And she said Olympia Dukakis who and it broke my heart It broke my heart like a plate on so many floors
Starting point is 00:33:36 So electric was like you're forcing the Greekness upon me and also America quite frankly And like you won't let me go anywhere with that do you let me you let me wear anything but Greek Okay? And you don't let me wear anything. Everything I have to have wear is Greek. And you have Greek mugs. You have Greek sweaters. You make me take Greek lessons. You make me go to Greek church. I have to go to Greek Starbucks once a year. She's like, but guess what? I had to do those things too. And do you know at your age I didn't want to go to Sunday school? I didn't want to go to Greek dance. I didn't want to have to go to Greek school. But now I'm glad I did it. So do you know how many people wish they were Greek? They do. And I spent my whole life saying my dad was an immigrant and I didn't say my mom was an immigrant because I didn't go to my mom's village.
Starting point is 00:34:30 And so she's talking about how she wasn't really, you know, knowledgeable about her mom's history. And she doesn't want Alexa, Alexa, Alexa, Elector to feel the same way. And she's like, okay, I got your point. It's not like I like dad's side more. It's just like I do what they do. It's like, you know, I'm dad. and you're just like over there, you know? It's not bad.
Starting point is 00:34:51 I mean, you can be over there, but like, I'm over here. And she's, heart's heartbreaking. She's like, yeah, and you just see Angie's heartbreaking. And I saw a Reddit post, and I didn't read the whole thing, but it said, I just realized that Angie named her daughter after a Greek character that hated and then murdered her own mother. It is kind of funny. That's a crazy. choice. I go about like
Starting point is 00:35:16 Persephone well Persephone gets dragged down to hell but you know Hera Athena really something
Starting point is 00:35:25 Neovardolas anything but Angie Mia This is my daughter She made your baby the whole name Neovardolus
Starting point is 00:35:33 That's her whole name Neovardolus Katsanevas So Angie is like I support that I just want to share with you why this is really special to me
Starting point is 00:35:41 And I think it's gonna mean a lot to Papu And I think One day, it's going to mean a lot to you. And Elektra's like, okay, maybe in the future. Maybe in the future. Maybe one day I'll give a shit about you, mother. Okay, come here.
Starting point is 00:35:55 Give me a Greek cut. God damn that, mother. But poor Angie, she looks like she's going to, she is, when she's talking about wanting to, like she says, like, you know, she's just, when she's saying that she hopes that Elektra comes around to it, like you can, she's literally choking up. And actually, I thought was, I actually thought was a pretty beautiful scene. Yeah, it was nice. Look at that little dolma. Bueller was very upset by it. My little grape leaf.
Starting point is 00:36:21 So now we go to Heather at Marmalade, Cafe Mamalad. Lady Mama. So she gets a table and we see the time passing. It's 1110. Then it's 1135. Then it's 1157. Then it's 1215. Now it's 1226.
Starting point is 00:36:38 And then enter Dorit Kemsley. I know, right? so it's Lisa Lisa meets Heather hi how's it going yeah that was a lot it was a lot because Heather's just giving her this look like really because she doesn't even come in like oh my god I'm so sorry I'm late there was so much traffic from temple or whatever like it was nuts like there were so many wagons on the road you wouldn't even believe it but I'm here now she doesn't even do that she's just like hi okay what are you doing Heather's like you fuck you seriously just made me wait for you for an hour and a half.
Starting point is 00:37:18 Seriously. So Lisa's like, Samarith was like upset and I just wanted to soothe her. It just didn't work. It was a lot. I mean, I just wanted to talk about the whole thing because like from where it started to where we're at now because Brittany doesn't want to be around you.
Starting point is 00:37:33 Isn't that terrible? Britney doesn't want to be around you. But why may? Why may though? But why may? But why? Because you were like, you were, you were terrible to her.
Starting point is 00:37:44 You were horrifying. No, no, I didn't do anything to her. I didn't do anything to Brittany. You know what? I just kept saying, send her the fucking TikTok. That's all I said. Like, I didn't do anything to her. Lisa, you kept telling her she fucked up.
Starting point is 00:37:58 You said you fucked up, Brittany. Show us the TikTok. Show us the TikTok. No, no, all I said was send her the TikTok, okay? Because it started when we got to the airport and Meredith started like freaking out. Like when we were going through Barbados, like we had to get our bags and she was like freaking out about it. Well, you know, first of all, you'll forgive me if I wasn't paying attention in Barbados because I was trying to find my internet friend Rihanna, one of my favorite DMers and I was distracted. But from what I could tell, you were gagging up on Brittany during the sisterhood time.
Starting point is 00:38:32 No, I didn't gank up on her. I don't do that. I don't do that. It felt like we were trapped in a plane and you guys wouldn't stop and you guys were egging her on. you were antagonizing Lisa. No, no, she did not say that. No, she didn't. She didn't.
Starting point is 00:38:44 She didn't say that. Horrifying. Horrifying. It was like, you know what? Heather's trying to let me into this. Like, what the fuck? You know what? You're not my God.
Starting point is 00:38:52 Okay? And you're not my judge. Okay? So who the fuck do you think you are? Like, who are you? Meredith wasn't even talking to her. You know what, first of all? Meredith was yelling at me about her, the whole plane ride.
Starting point is 00:39:04 So she was, like, just getting, like, so upset. And she started, like, screaming at Whitney. Like, where's the text? where's it TikTok? So I just leaned over my chair. And then, you know, like she was in front of me. So I was like, Brittany, where's the fucking TikTok? Just give her the TikTok. And then you guys had a problem with it. You know, somebody else should have stepped in if you had a problem. Where was everybody else else? Where was everybody else? I did step in. I stepped in by looking over and then going to take a nice long, not long nap. And I was down to sleep until the very end. And you guys were yelling at me is what woke everybody else up. You were yelling at me. No, I did not yell at yo. I did not yell at you one time. Okay. And I did nothing to Bretonet. He says, stop it. You know, but you can't order me.
Starting point is 00:39:44 You can't order me Benet baskets and then accuse me of stuff like that. What? Well, at first of all, I think we all agree. These are the best Benets we have here in Salt Lake City and there's no other establishment. These are Beny booze. How dare you? There's no other establishment in the city that does a Benet that's even close to this one. I'll just say that right now.
Starting point is 00:40:03 Whatever. I didn't do anything. Okay, then. Why did four women have to gather around her then? and physically help her off the plane. We had to get her a wheelchair, Lisa. We had to get her one of those electronic wheelchairs that took her all the way back to her car.
Starting point is 00:40:18 Well, maybe if she'd had some of the bignets at the Vita Premier Lounge, she would have been in the better mood because they're the best banyers in the city, okay? And I was preserving my peace. I don't know why that's so complicated for everybody. Well, I don't know why someone should be punished because they don't do what you tell them to do. Excuse me, weren't you just chasing her around a boat,
Starting point is 00:40:36 screaming at her and calling her a bitch because she wouldn't confess to something that you wanted her to confess to. I mean, I don't know that you're the right messenger for this man. Yeah, I don't think so. Commercials. Here comes one right now.
Starting point is 00:40:55 So Lisa's like, I'm talking to you as a friend, a friend who doesn't appreciate a good Ben, yay. Well, I'm talking to you as a friend. If Britney is upset. No, but I'm talking to you. No, because I'm talking to you as a friend.
Starting point is 00:41:07 Yo. No, you're not. No, I don't feel. Talk to me as a sisterhood. Talk to me as stupid. Then I feel horrible for Britney being upset. But can she take responsibility for anything, though? Can she?
Starting point is 00:41:19 Can she take responsibility? So it feels like you're saying she deserved it. You're saying she deserved it. No. You're saying she's a terrible person. Are you saying that she's a murderer? You literally are accusing her of murder. That's terrible, Lisa.
Starting point is 00:41:28 No, I'm not saying she did that. You know, like the only murder here is happening to that bignet that you're murdering right now, okay? You know what? I don't appreciate that. Yeah. Yeah, and she felt wine being splashed on her, Lisa, and her chair being moved and felt hassled and bullied by you guys for the entire fucking flight. No, we did not hustle and bully her. Don't put me in that statement how there.
Starting point is 00:41:52 Yeah, but I'm telling you how Brittany felt. And that's all that matters, not facts, feelings. That's what matters in the court of law. So why would she think her chair was being jostled? Marith said when she got up to go to the bathroom she grabbed her chair as Lavraj to like got herself up. It was just lairage. Spilling wine. Spilling wine on her. La Raj. La Raj. It was La Raj. And the wine went on me. It went on me, by the way. She was like talking with her hans
Starting point is 00:42:18 and like facing me and like this and like that. And her hon was like this and that. And like the wine was on me. If anything, like I think we all saw the way that she can control water in the air. And she forced all of it, all the liquid. It went on to me. I was the victim. I got hurt. well it went on brittany she was no it didn't it didn't get on brittany no it didn't no it didn't no it didn't I was on the fucking plane Lisa why are you telling me a different version than what I saw on the plane you were asleep at the time just entering that yeah but you know what I didn't yell at you at all
Starting point is 00:42:47 like I was like she's really upset you know and then you were basically telling me to control Meredith but I can't control Meredith I mean you were three feet away from her why couldn't you do it well the second I woke up I did I woke up and then I ordered a Diet of Coke and I went back to sleep. I really controlled it. And you know what? And guess what? Meredith was not happy about that.
Starting point is 00:43:09 And she was like, but nobody said anything. I got into a huge fight with Meredith. What are you talking about? And so Lisa's like, yeah. Well, like you got into a huge fight with Meredith? I don't believe that. Like, what are you talking about? And she says, you did it after the plane.
Starting point is 00:43:27 You didn't say anything on the plane. And Heather's like, no, it happened in the seat. And she goes, no, because I was diffusing her in the seat. And I was the one keeping her away from Brittany. And I don't agree with what she said. And I'm not going to be. And so now she's like, I'm not taking blame for Meredith. She's like, I'm not taking, you know, I'm not going to be held responsible for what Meredith said.
Starting point is 00:43:46 Yeah. So Lisa's just like, she's like, I'm not going to be part of this. And Heather's like, I'm trying to have an honest conversation and you're just refusing to engage. Like, no, this isn't an honest conversation. this is an accusatory conversation over subpar Benyaz. Yeah, so she's like, okay, you know, basically she's telling her, this is the same thing as usual. It's like, you did this, Lisa, and she's like, no, I didn't.
Starting point is 00:44:13 And she says that Brittany's been a good friend to her in the past, and she's been a good friend to her, but she did come from Meredith in her marriage. So, like, is she going to take any accountability for that? I mean, because that's crazy. She's like, I mean, she's trying to hurt Meredith and her family. It's like mental to me. Like, am I in Willie? Wonka's like whatever. Like what is that? Is it a land that he's in? Like the Willy Wonka land. Like I'm like an oompa lupa. Like it's like an oompa lupa gonna come out. Like this is mess to me. Like I at least want some chocolate. Like this is crazy. It's like cuckoo town. This is like cuckoo town. By the way, I love Upa Lumpus ray dams. They, you know, I will credit them for that. But like otherwise, this is terrible. I, um, I loved watching her workshop through through that. It's like,
Starting point is 00:44:59 Willy Wonka's, it's like the elevator, it's like a glass elevator, but like the elevator's like not made a glass, like you're trying to look out of it, you can't see anything. And then you're like, where'd that girl go? Where'd the blueberry girl go? But she's like a blueberry now. So you're like, there's nope. Why is there blueberries in like a chocolate factory? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like it doesn't make sense. If you, if you think about it and like cocoa puffs, because like cocoa puffs are like not actually a Wonka property, but like I think that they could like really merge their brands. They could do like a collab for like Sundance. I don't know. I'm just like thinking out loud. What are we talking about?
Starting point is 00:45:29 Yeah, so Lisa's like, okay, here I am with Heather again. Like, every time I'm with Heather, she's accused me of some shit, right? So she's like, I'm done. So she gets up. And Heather's like, you can fucking leave then. I'm just a fucking bitch. You call me a fucking bitch. You can fucking leave.
Starting point is 00:45:43 And she's like, yeah, you know what? You fucking bitch. You can't do this to me. So I'm drinking my juice. You know what? I'm not even going to leave then. I'm not going to leave. I'm going to drink my juice.
Starting point is 00:45:54 Yeah, I'm going to leave my juice. Okay, well, you know what? I waited an hour for you. No, no. You're trying to put that on me. Like, no, I was in a different time zone. So it was actually on time in a different time zone. So don't even put that on me.
Starting point is 00:46:05 So Heather's doing this whole, Britney is destroyed. How could you? And, you know, all I want you to do is be a good friend. I'm just trying to talk to you. And she's very upset. And Lisa's like, well, she's upset with the wrong person. So then I thought it was over because this has been like an episode.
Starting point is 00:46:23 A lot of sad. We're at two hours right now in this recap. This is crazy. We're like an hour of 55. So this has been. very long but no but then another scene and guess what plot twist you probably were wondering why did ben give that stupid anecdote about thinking that they went to the restaurant next to the depot and i got all excited and now meredith and mary meet up at a place called ashra adams and guess what this
Starting point is 00:46:47 was the restaurant the fancy restaurant next to the place that we performed what are the odds oh my god i was so excited and i was like this is the most stupid thing to get excited about but i was like i was just thinking about that restaurant and then they're actually in it in the same episode Isn't this crazy? And I was like, all the listeners are going to be so on my side with this, and they're going to be so happy. I took them on this journey. And so you're welcome, everyone.
Starting point is 00:47:07 Well, I'm glad that worked out for you. Yeah, it was fun. So Mary meets up with Meredith. Mary is all smiles. I was like, hi. Look at this. We're at Asher Adams right next to the depot. I was once there with Bannon Roddy.
Starting point is 00:47:21 And Mary's like, um, yeah. So, how are you doing? And she's like, well, you know what? I mean, fine, great. And she just stares at her. She gives her that look like, go ahead. Bring up what you're going to bring up. Mary, you know, she's just looking at her like, I dare you.
Starting point is 00:47:38 So Mary's like, okay, well, I feel like the last time I saw you, you weren't happy. And you know what? I've seen you go off and do the whole enough. But this was different than that. Yeah. Well, what is it that you think happened? Because I think there's a lot of stuff that's floating. going around out there.
Starting point is 00:48:01 And she's like, well, I don't think that anything happened. I was there. So I saw it happen. Well, the reality is I was set. I invented to a friend. Brittany had headphones on. I don't think I even, I don't think she could even hear anything I was saying. Even when I took the headphone off her ear and I said, you dumb bitch.
Starting point is 00:48:19 I don't think she heard that. And she's like, well, I think you wanted her to hear you. So that's a new thing, too, that she was sitting there with headphones the whole time. Not that it makes that big of a difference. But if you see someone wearing like an iPhone pro with noise canceling, I would assume that they couldn't hear me talking shit either. I wonder how much shit I've talked on planes that people can't hear. But anyway, I'm not going to excuse Meredith because I know that she's guilty.
Starting point is 00:48:43 At this point, I'm like, you're guilty. Okay, just say you're guilty. Mary, so. Mary looks shaken. Mary looks shaken. And she looks like she's like, I don't want to have to have this conversation, but I have to. She's like giving intervention energy right now.
Starting point is 00:48:56 So she's like, well, I was just going to say it went on, it went on for a minute. It's like, well, it was about 15 minutes. So yeah, it was more than a minute, it was 15, 15 and 15 is fine. She's like, no, no, I feel a little concerned because I feel like it was a little bit longer than you remember. It's like, wow, okay, well, well, look, all I know is I was sleeping and I watched two movies, how to race in the rain with the dog. You know, it was a beautiful movie about a dog and a man to see free. It was beautiful.
Starting point is 00:49:24 And I slept for over an hour afterwards. It was a very peaceful flight. I barely even said a peep. You know, it was like her. Okay, fine. I watched Mamma Mia, too. But, I mean, I watched the sequel. I watched both Mamma Mia's.
Starting point is 00:49:38 I watched two Mamma Mia's in the dog movie. There, I said it. I watched three movies. Okay, I lied. And she's like, yeah. I mean, it was definitely longer. She goes, okay, so it was 30 minutes then. I mean, there's only so much time on a flight.
Starting point is 00:49:53 So how long got it about? I mean, geez. And so she, Mary's like, yeah, I heard this. Maybe Meredith is in Mars and we're in Venus. I don't know. And so Meredith is like, you know what? If anyone's telling you different, that's just not the case. And she says, I was there.
Starting point is 00:50:10 And she goes, you were sleeping. So please. And she's like, well, but every time I woke up, I heard you. And she's like, well, that's impossible. You were across the plane. She was like, no, I wasn't. I was in the window seat, a row in front of you. And she's like, you were still on the other side of the plane, Mary.
Starting point is 00:50:26 And she goes, yeah, and I still heard you. So I shouldn't hear you if I'm across the plane and I shouldn't have heard it, but I did hear it. Well, I can't speak to what you could hear or couldn't hear. That's going to be on you. And Mary, what's interesting is that the tenor of Mary's confrontation is not your lying, you're lying, you're lying. The tenor is like, I am concerned for you, right? So she's like, well, do you remember Whitney saying, Meredith, please be quiet? People are complaining.
Starting point is 00:50:51 Well, she never said people were complaining. She asked me to be quiet and no one complains. And if I was yelling and screaming, I would have had an air marshaled error to arrest me. So thank you very much. As this is being spun into something, it's not, and I was in my feelings, and I vented to a friend. And that's all there is to one. She's like, no, yeah, no. And she's like, it's not being spun into something, Meredith.
Starting point is 00:51:15 It's just, like, we were all there, okay? We were there. And it concerns me because I want you to remember what happened. And she's like, I do remember me. I feel like you don't. I feel like you don't. She's like, well, I do. Well, I really feel like you don't.
Starting point is 00:51:30 And I'm not saying that in a tactic kind of way. She's like, I know. It's like, well, I was tuned in to you because I was concerned. You're Meredith Marks and you care how you are projected and you have an image. But I also think it's important to take accountability and move forward from it. Meredith, maybe. So Meredith is basically, Meredith says, look, Mary did not see her hear anything because she couldn't see me from where. she was sitting unless she literally stood up and turned around.
Starting point is 00:51:56 She even had headphones on when I got up and walked by her. And I don't know what she thinks happened, but it doesn't line up with what I know happened. And Lisa was sitting next to me and she knows what happened. And I think Whitney got into Mary's ear and told Mary these things happened. And Mary believed her. But it's a big nothing sandwich and there's nothing else to it. Let me tell you something. The headphones is a weak excuse because I've heard so many people over my headphones.
Starting point is 00:52:22 noise cancelling included and the headphones don't they don't push everything away especially if you are fixating on what someone's saying you really can hear things so headphones not a great not a great defense so merrith says oh i have no interest in trying to like hurt somebody but she wants to hurt me it's just like but would you be willing to be like brittany the situation was bad and i apologize i mean is that one you think i should do uh yeah and she says yeah for your wellness i think it would be healthy and um she's like yeah you can't move forward and this group without apologizing and Meredith says I don't know I have to think it through and that's the end so I was left kind of like yeah okay I believe that Meredith and Lisa were acting like assholes
Starting point is 00:53:04 but it's like within the housewise behavior handbook and so that's why they don't think anything is wrong I think they're both thinking of it like well we we were just fighting on a boat for three days why would this be any different like I just was doing the same thing to her all morning so I was doing that to her on the boat so why is this such a huge deal And I think the point that you made was correct, that they weren't filming, and so it's different. But I think that's probably how she's thinking of it. It's like, why is this behavior sometimes okay? Now you guys are acting like on the Antichrist.
Starting point is 00:53:35 And especially, not coming from Mary, but coming from people like Whitney and Heather. I do believe that Whitney and Heather are probably exaggerating this a lot because they're the ones making, you know, Mary said she heard stuff and it wasn't great right at the beginning. But the ones who were saying she was screaming and going ballistic and blah, blah, blah, blah. were Whitney and Heather. And I never believe Whitney and Heather because they just lie too much. So bad weather. Yeah, bad weather. So I believe it's somewhere in the middle.
Starting point is 00:54:00 I think Meredith and Lisa were assholes and Whitney and Heather are just blowing it up to make them look as bad as possible. What's going to, but either way, it was mean and it wasn't cool of them to do it. And she should apologize and be like, okay, I went too far. You know,
Starting point is 00:54:13 if everybody tells you you're dead, lay down. What's going to really suck for Meredith is, a having to go step right into BravoCon and this is the biggest thing that just happened right before the weekend. So now she's going to have to answer all these questions and people would be like what happened and people like that was mean. She'll probably deal with questions from the audience. But what also we see that the midseason trailer. We see that Mary arranges an apology lunch at Valtors and she's basically saying no one knows how to apologize. So if in fact at this
Starting point is 00:54:46 luncheon Meredith gives a heartfelt apology to Brittany, It sucks for Meredith because she knows there's this heartfelt apology coming up and she's going to have to sit through all of this shit all weekend from people being like, what the fuck is wrong with you? And you know, she's like, I am about to apologize, just wait for it, you know. But either way, it's still, it's not a great look for Meredith, I think, at the end of the day. No. And, but it was, I thought it was a fantastic episode. I thought it was like everything that I was the best episode of the season for me. It was a great.
Starting point is 00:55:16 I mean, I think they've all been so good this year. It's been a great season, a great episode. Yeah, I was some comment somewhere. That's all I do is read fucking internet. But somebody was like, you know, these shows are past their date. All these Housewives shows are just over. This just needs to end and blah, blah, blah. They are not over.
Starting point is 00:55:35 They're not. I'm sorry, some of them suck right now. You know, Potomac's not great. I wouldn't say it sucks, but it's like got a lot of new people. You know, it's struggling. Atlanta's still kind of struggling. O.C. has kind of hit some stumbling blocks. this year, even though it's been an okay season for the most part.
Starting point is 00:55:52 Some of them are okay and some of them are just great. I mean, this one in Miami both have been fucking killer this season. And I just don't think these shows are over. I just don't see it. I think they're so good. People need to shut the fuck up. I'm going to say this right now. Even the ones that aren't great, I still love.
Starting point is 00:56:06 You know, like Potomac, I feel like it's struggling, but I still love watching it and I still laugh every single time I watch it. I think, I think Petomac is excellent this season. Honestly, we disagree on that. But I think that people need to like hush up because what happens, this is what I always happens. People are not happy with something or another. And then they complain and they say, all everything should be thrown out. And then what happens is that like network executives are like, oh, no, is something wrong? And then they retool everything. And then we get served like garbage.
Starting point is 00:56:33 And then we have to wait for that to retool again until it's like, right. It's like, sometimes you're not going to like you might not like certain things. And I say this is someone who complained a lot about, about various shows. And, you know, I get it. but don't make a don't say broadly that all these shows are over and they they just need to be taken off the air because you're just reacting because there was something you didn't like and like you can know you can not like something you can not like a character you can be bored with the storyline but to say that all these shows are done no no you're done these shows are still here and they're vital and they're excellent forking yourself you are done don't listen be careful what you for okay because the moment like you network executives do some do some fuckery sometimes and if you if you get them touching things that aren't really that broken you will be ruining the day okay you'll be a light like electra you're not appreciating her great ancestry that you said that all right well this has been a super fun one thanks everybody for being with us join us in
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