Watch What Crappens - #3076 RHOC S19E19 Part One: Golf Clapback

Episode Date: November 14, 2025

This is part 1 of a two-part recap! The Real Housewives of Orange County reunion motors on with a surprisingly large amount of Jenn. Tamra avoids scrutiny for her role in the naked-wasted revival; Gretchen skates by for “misspeaking,” and finally Matt Ginella takes the stage and sasses off to the cast. Surely we can’t think she’s a bigot now! You can watch this recap on video, listen to our bonus episodes, and participate in live episode threads at patreon.com/watchwhatcrappens.  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me today is the one and only Ronnie Karam. Hey, Ronnie, how's it going? Hello, hello there. How are we? We are doing just great. And BravoCon is in full swing right now. Anyone who's watching us, the crap is on demand are like, wow, you really, your hotel rooms look just like your homes. That's because we're recording this ahead of time.

But I'm sure we're having a great time, a great Friday morning here in Vegas. Just a reminder, if you are at BravoCon, be sure to come. come by on Saturday because we are having a party. We're having a party at beer park and it's in the Paris Casino. It's at 10 p.m. So once all the scheduling is done for the day, all the official scheduling of the weekend of the Saturday is done, you got nothing to do.

Come on over and hang out with us. We're going to have a really fun time. So join us for that. And on Sunday, we are moderating the next-gen New York City panel. So come join us and just say hi. We love, we love meeting everyone. So really excited for that. And aside from that, I mean, it's another week of Bravo comes to a conclusion with a pretty intense Orange County reunion, Ronnie.

What say you? Hi. Hi. Oh, what do I say you about the reunion? Lots of bullshit. Did I not say hi to you at the top of the episode? You did. I'm not being sarcastic.

I just had that moment of like, uh-oh, I have to talk now. You know, whenever you do the intro, I get to zone out and check emails and, you know, see what, see what I'm doing over here. So when you're like, Ronnie, talk now. I'm like, uh, really. I was like, did I just, like, did I just like launch into the spiel without saying hi to you? I was like, oh, of course you said hi. Come on, that I called me handsome, all that good stuff. Yeah, I just, you know, I'll check some emails.

Okay, um, Orange County. Well, let's see, Emily's hair is still. and Emily still made me more for you. How can you have a show with Tamara, Gina, Gretchen, and I'm still the most annoyed with Emily. How is that? I know, like, shut up! No one's talking to you!

No one's talking to you! You're a dork! That's just Kelly Dodd from the grave. Well, yeah, I mean, that's basically Emily, right? It's just a lower Kelly Dodd. I don't know why, I don't know why you'd be a, annoyed with Emily. Is it because she was bragging about how she's doing reverse cowgirl on Shane Simpson? I think that as a bro. Oh my God. Just giddy out of here. Giddy out.

New pulls. So let's get into it. Reunion part two. Everyone is still as oranges ever, girl i mean these these people look crazy i just felt sorry for them all over again you know maybe they're doing that because by now the audience is kind of frustrated with the ladies especially with that finale where it's like all this transphobia and homophobia and we've got all this going on and the getting rid of katy and the audience is you know rightfully a little bit fed up and maybe they're just like let's just make them look as terrible as possible and maybe look make them all look like they have a fever just make a red set make them all look red or orange and make maybe they'll get some pity it is not working no it's really not um i everyone looks crazy

this is one of the most aesthetically discordant reunions they've ever had the color palette the lighting we said it last week but it really needs to be emphasized yet again this week just looks crazy but we start off with andy who's uh in the middle of tamara and gretchener are fighting still and andy's like hey but you know tamara don't you also bring dirt up on people. Well, what if I brought up recently? Aside for the fact that Gretchen's been a bitch ever since she's been two years old. Ha!

Yeah, but 15 years ago, Chan, where you brought up lines about me then, so there. And she's like, me, Vika, we both walked in. And Gina Keog saw you too. And then we're on blank slap. And we saw you make that with him. You're such a fucking liar. You're a nyer. You're a nyer.

You're a liar. You're a liar. You're a liar. You're a liar. You're a liar. For so long. You've been coming after me for so long. He's been going after my husband.

You've been going after me. You've been going after my kids. Even as the invincible one. I don't talk about you. I don't do nothing to you. Oh, you don't talk about me. He's saying you don't talk about her. You liar.

Andy's like... All right. And then Tamara is just like, she has this like tear on her cheek. She's like, have you to walk this away, genetically. because I've been, I've been victimized by Gretchen Rossi from four different presidential administrations on my history bookage sport. It ain't so bad.

Um, and Andy's like, well, we have more to get into with Tamara and Gretchen later on. And I want to move on. Okay, you know, I still do a wonky eye to Andy. Did you notice Andy's wonky eye is gone? What happened? Where to go? He got to do that. I have an awonky. How do I get rid of my? Actually, maybe mine is gone too. Let me look at mine. Do I still have a wonky eye? Maybe mine's gone too. Well, you had, well, you had like, you know, you had that star and maybe like getting rid of the star, got rid of the wonk.

I have no. Maybe I think so. I've got one that's like a little, I got one that's like a little, hangs a little lower, you know. Really? A little wonk. Yeah, just a little bit lower. It's got like, you know, the tissue is a little bit bigger there. Well, his is gone.

And I think it's because he finally started getting Botox. And I recently got some boats, although you wouldn't know. Look how much my face moves. Look how much. I've never done it. I haven't done it. Well, you don't have to. You know, I just do it to make an effort.

Well, I got it is that way I can, like, join in on like the incessant conversations that happen all the time about Botox. Everyone talks about Botox. And really? I just sit there. Oh, yeah. All you Botox people do it, talk about it all the time. Well, it's like you and you're, it's like you and the fucking no carb people.

Oh, my God. I haven't eaten carbs. Oh my God. I miss carbs. I miss carbs too. I've had carbs in for presidential administration. He did. Yes.

Cabs been told that. Well, I'm back at my carbs. I had a bagel today. So the carbs are back. They're back, baby, just like Brett and Rossi. You can't even say carbs to a no carb person. Because look how you, like I say carbs. Yes, I had carbs.

I had bagels today. Here's what I had yesterday. Here's my food list. I haven't had some. I'm sorry that I spent. I'm sorry that I spent. Straight up sugar on carbs. I'm sorry I spent a month of our podcasting tenure

talking about carbs. Listen, no, we're both. We're both guilty of it. It's just at different times, you know. Yeah. And I had my keto era too. Remember my keto era? That went from June to October.

That was actually several months. That was, I was a monster during then. I hated keto. You know, was the worst thing of all time. But you remember that time? We were doing a live, we were doing a tour. We were on tour. And you were like so upset because you were doing keto.

It was ruining your life. I felt bad. It was like a ghost. It was like one of those, it was like insidious. But the thing that was insidious wasn't even like a little scary doll. It was the keto diet. And it was really tormenting you. You were having nightmares.

And then you showed up to one of our shows wearing a little suit that was ice cream, ice cream cones. And I was like, how can you do that when you're on keto? I would eat the suit. I would eat the suit. It was a shirt with ice cream cones. In my mind, you had shirt. No. It feels like it would have a matching pant.

I think I just wore white pants with it. I remember that I loved that shirt. And my instantly outgrew it once I finished keto. Keto is great until I got. got my first cholesterol test afterwards. And it like, you know, I don't even know how my arteries are alive after that key. I just remember I saw that shirt

and it was like my favorite thing. And I was like, Ben, I love your shirt. And I said, I did with you, I love my shirt. You don't know. I was like, damn, keto. That's been time. I think, me. It's been talking about me for 15 years.

Anyway, the point is, it's time for one of the most exciting segments. of the episode, Jen being a ding-dong and wanting to get married in a white bikini, everybody. Let's welcome the Jen segment. I like, you know, I like Jen okay, even though she's extremely problematic, I guess like all of them. But I mean, I still have hope in my heart that Jen's a nice person,

even though I don't believe one thing she says in this reunion. But I don't need to, I don't need a Jen segment. Some Housewives, it's okay to be like, you know what, Jen, you're great. You're fine. You're not as problematic as everybody else, but you don't get your own segment. Nobody cares. Yeah, there's a lot of Jen this episode. So rumors that she clipped in Tamas old hair extensions combined with the circulation of a so-called fatty photo left their friendship on ice.

But could these single white frenemies take solid steps towards rebuilding their friendship? I'm surprised they didn't get mad that they were actually neither of them are single. But yeah, Jen segment, here it is. I can't be the only one when he said fatty photo. who went, fatty photo, fatty photo. Fatty photo. Fatty photo. What I do.

Sorry. My bad. I just get so mad sometimes. So, by the way, I want to clarify also, when I said the thing about Botox, I have no problem with Botox. I'm just saying I feel left out because I don't get to talk about Botox. Are you offended that? Are you offended that frozen-faced people are going to come for you? Well, I feel like I started talking about Botox and then the conversation became about carbs and I wanted to just put a bow on that.

Because I felt like I came in hot. I felt like I came in hot on Botox and I was not, I was being facetious, but I just am left. I just am left out. So I'm just saying I just I stand there. I turned it on you because we're watching us seeing that line because well, but everyone's talking about Botox all over the place. I stand there and then I have to wait for my opening to be like guys, who likes board games? in my right and no one cares so hey guys you know what's worse than Botox not having any carbs okay should I bring a board game to Vegas you think no not being a

fucking board well we're not sharing your room you can do whatever you want I mean I'll come play it's like my dream has always been to play Catan with real housewives like that dare you who do you think do it I'll come to your room I would do Angie Angie would just collect sheep this is like old Greece I will trade you for your sheep I'm going to make feta cheese like angie i won i bought grease it's like that's not for sale and angie you cannot trade you just can't keep hoarding all those sheep i'm making feta though isn't at the point of catan okay so well it seems like you and tamer got along in amsterdam jane where do you stand now they're like hey the bitch yeah i don't like her i still don't like her andie yeah i don't know

i'm right here by the way what do you mean oh you said where do i stand i'm standing right here and I'm actually sitting. Okay, very literal. So you don't talk? You don't talk to her? No, we don't talk. It's hard for me to navigate you, Tamara. And I don't know what version I'm going to get of you.

I actually feel like you don't like me, and that's okay. No, that's not you. I actually really like you a lot. I'm actually really like you too much, which is why I make my life hell. And I'm with people, please, Randy. Yeah. So I just think that fighting for this friendship,

you know, I'm fighting and this friendship that never was. You know what I mean? And I'd just like to say, Tamara. Thank you so much for that friendship that never was. Thank you. Thank you so much. You would never find for a friendship. You want to find for a friendship. No, no. Well, I was. And I guess I wasn't. And at this point, I was just over it, you know, there are things I just don't understand, like how, how anyone would take a photo in their fatty state and then keep it around. I mean, why would you keep a photo like that around?

You're just really held out bent on making sure I'm, you know, people know, I'm not who I portraying myself to be. And you say, oh, you'll find out, she lies. She's not kind and that's so mean of you but also i appreciate that you communicate with people so thank you so much for for letting people know thank you you know it's because everything everything that we feel yeah i was poking at me broke broke broke and we were talking about she and i said i felt like you singled me up because you wanted to get on the show that just a second year jim never did anything to you what are you talking about the only thing jen ever did to you was stand up to you when you were fucking with her all last season. And you still can't get over it, Tamara.

Stop acting like Jen has been doing anything to you. Every time Jen shows up, she's like, hello, Tamara. Hi, are we friends man? Tamara, I just want to trust you. I'm want to trust this, Tamara. She's like, yeah, we're friends. And she's like, okay, thanks, Tamara. Hey, me a finger. Hey me finger. Look at this little, bozz-z-z. She's like, oh, Tamara, I'm electrocuted. She's like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, just you dad. Yeah, Tamara brought Jen onto the show. And then Jen's freshman season, Tamara made her life hell and try to keep get everyone talking about Ryan cheating and a dick pick and Heather Amin and all this bullshit.

And now she's like, why would you see me here? Why would she figure me out? Why wouldn't you do that 15 years minus 14 years? Jen's been tormenting me. Well, what's the crime with wanting to be on the show? I mean, come on. You know, when she was coming on the show, I remember asking you about her and you said she's great.

Well, we won our bad terms, said, Andy. That's back when I really like sing. the white females, okay? I mean, I remember, I used to like saying, Sandy, until I learned, until I learned how they can stalk you. And Gina's like, yeah, well, she never struck me as someone who was like, thirsty for the show. Yeah, okay. Someone's dapper. Come on, finish the show.

You're taking too long. Okay. It was just a... I got anxious. It was just a chain of events that happened. This is what I heard. Can you brought the house? You bought the house a couple tours time for me.

No, no, no. No, we never lived on the same street. Mm-mm. I never bought a house near you. No, I didn't. Oh, really? Yeah, your house? Well, okay, well, last time I checked your house was in America?

Was it not? Guess where I live in America? Stucker. Also, North America, too. You're in America and also North America and California, too. How many places you can follow me too? Oh, really? So you're just gonna live in the West Coast?

knowing that I live on the West Coast. Wow, thanks a lot. I guess I should be flattered. And I like that they're doxing each other. Because Tamara's like, well, you live by me in Simon's house. And Jen's like, well, where did you live? Point Circle.

I never lived on Point Circle. You were a Becker. You were 2, 2, 2, 3 to Dance Avenue. Well, just because I love the show doesn't mean I actually live on the show. That's so wrong. I moved to Sam Malone Street right after. Get off my ass.

I said, well, God, Becca, I had a condo on the naked truth. That's a cul-de-sac. She's out, fork you. Fork you, Tamara. Okay. So Tam is like, well, all of a sudden, you were going to my doctor. You were going to the same hair salon.

You were going to my local bar, and everyone was going, Norm. I was like, she's not even norm. What's wrong with you? Then, I went to your husband's home, and you gave everybody a lemon in their drink. When did you get that lemon? The grocery store? Exactly. Point proven.

Part proven. Consider Michelle Long here to follow your shit. Okay, bitch. Did you know that one time she found a baby? And she took care of the baby with Tom's hair like a Steve Goodberg. How disgusting is she? Cuddenberg. Cuddenberg out of all people.

So Tamara is, first Tamara tries the, you tried to buy a house right by me and Simon. You haven't been married to Simon in quite a long time, ma'am. She was like, she was talking about, you weren't even with Simon. You didn't even live there. She goes, yeah, I used to live there. Okay, so you think she's trying to buy, she lived close to where you once lived. So that's a stalker thing. And then she says, you were going to my doctor.

Who's your doctor? I don't know, whoever they are, I will not, I won't call them a miracle worker. I'll tell you that. And then you were at the same hair salon, which is terrifying. Who would go to Tamara's hair salon on purpose? She looks like she's there to scare crows away from corn. And then she's, oh, sorry. The number of hair people that circulate throughout these real housewives is like innumerable.

So it's like not crazy to have overlap with your hair people. Yes. So then her final thing is like, oh yeah, but then you came to my gym and he wanted to do a fitness competition. Just like I did. She goes, you invited me to do the fitness competition. What are you talking about? You were a normal girl who had a gym a mile away from my yoga studio. I was looking to train and I loved your husband.

That's it. It's like, oh, okay. Sometimes you do a gym, then you come to a gym, and that's not stalking me. Okay. Why don't you boil a bunny clean clothes? Just boil a bunny. Guess what, Andy? She goes to the same sandbox I got you.

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in how Tamara is jealous of Jim's looks compared to how she was jealous of you when you first came on the show? And Tamara's like, ha, ha, ha, ha, I've never been jealous if you're either one. You must look like John B'nai Mamsey. Who? Gretchen's like,

Um, it's not just me. It's me. It's Jen. It's Lizzie. Pause to so, so that way you can put Lizzie up on the screen. No? Okay. And I've heard her say a lot of times in the press. She just wants my life. She wants my life. That's all she says. She's like, well, why are you talking like me? You have the same voice with me today.

That can't help it. I'm around you too much. I can't modulate between my voice and your voice right now. I have to point out this Lizzie thing. So Lizzie is like Gretchen. Lizzie's one of those. I mean, Gretchen was on longer, but Lizzie's one of those who's always hanging around the sides. You'll always see Lizzie at the Housewives parties. Like she always finds a way to be friends with whoever is on Housewives. Gretchen that way. So Gretchen and Lizzie hanging out. And I know all of this is just from seeing Instagram posts. So they've been hanging out for years. They're old buddies. They've been trying to get back on this show for years. Now, the reason I bring this up is because recently Tamara had some posts and Lizzie was on there. And she's like, love you, Tamara. You look so beautiful.

You look great. Like, yeah, thanks, bitch. So I think Tamara has gone so far even to take Lizzie from Gretchen to like team up with her against Gretchen on the next. They're all trying. so hard to get back on this show. It's really funny. So good luck, Lizzie. I wouldn't mind another season of Lizzie actually, would you? Yeah, I thought Lizzie was okay. I think she just sort of had a boring final season, but like

she wasn't the worst. She was the worst. She stood up to remember. Yeah, I think there have been some pretty, like pretty good midpack, Orange County people who've come through. Well, thanks for match to me, band. That's me.

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um sally kirkland died did you know that i had to say no i love her brand of things at costco i used to see her all the time at the diner at the diner used to go to and sally kirkland was sally kirkland and robert forster were always there at the same diner and robert forster were always sitting in the corner and then sally kirkland would come in rip i was like i just haven't announced a celebrity death in so long like and they keep on dying during her show and i said you know what that's it sally kirkland she's getting on to the show So you say, that's fun. You're like, you know what, Ronnie be damned.

I will bring up a death in the middle of a fun hour. We didn't do Sally Kell, but we sure as hell are going to do Sally Kirkland. Yeah, and I actually know Sally Kellerman personally, and that was very upsetting to me, that the one celebrity that you don't admit that dies during our podcast is one of my dear, dear friends. We were in Maine together at the Jupiter Theater in Florida. It's where she introduced me to a friend John Travolto, took a private plane to see us.

That's right. John Travolta right there in the front seat. Oh, Johnny, how far we fall in, eh? Wow. I'm sure Greshon's friends in Orange County have a lot to say about that guy, huh? I remember back then, 18 years old. I remember going under John Travolta. I said, nice to meet you, Johnny.

Have you ever heard of Eddie, Eddie Judge? You know each other? You know what I was like? We had any sword fights, Johnny, John Trowold? You really met John Travolta back then? Yeah, he was her friend. So he came to see her in Maine. And everybody was all freaking out that John Travolta was coming to the Jupiter Theater.

And they had asked him what he wanted to eat because it's a dinner theater. And, you know, he would have had the salmon like everybody else. But unfortunately, they gave him the offer. And he chose a hamburger, which they didn't serve. And the whole place freaked out trying to get this man a hamburger. I've never seen so many service workers go crazy. They were a hamburger. How are we going to get him a hamburger?

What are we going to do? The whole theater went nuts and he got his hamburger and never knew. I always thought, you know, this guy's probably just picking the easiest thing because he doesn't want to seem to be a burger. It's just like, just going to be a burger. Like, I don't care. Like, a burger. We're only two blocks from our public's. Whatever will we do?

Oh, God, there must be someone in this in this burg who can make a burger. Hey, that was wordplay. Well, that's, I never knew that. That's amazing. Or maybe you said, I don't know, I'm sure someone's listening to podcast. I guess, I was like, Ronnie mentioned that on April 13th of 2012, but I had forgotten. So that's cool. Well, anyway.

Very handsome man back in the day. Good Lord. Was that before Pulp Fiction? Was that before? Yeah, it was right after that. We had all gone to see Pulp Fiction together. So that was out that year. And that's also when Prediporte was on.

That had just come out, too, which was Sally Kellerman's kind of big return. So it was a big time for them. It was a huge year from that. a good year for those two okay ben take it away i won't tell any more sally kellerman's story i could have fallen in love with johnny though although that went out no quickly let's just pretend it's the johns revolt of the past excuse me this is a sally kirkland moment and we're sorry kirkland we're still just getting over we're still just getting over the diane ladd moment that we just asked okay yeah well sally kirkland and i always think ian lad didn't know yeah okay do more dinner theater if you want any attention on this

podcast the sally kirkland diane lad diane keaton uh sally kellerman thing is a real it's a real doozy two to two diane's two sallies don't like it um but we you know what i do like orange county so uh gretchen is say my eye camera of yeah i'm sorry gretchen's accusing tamara of all the pretty girls and she destroys everyone's life who is pretty and time it's like i don't do that i don't talk about you and she's like well you go on you go on your podcast and you have things to say she's like but i don't talk about you Gretchen, what part of my episode dedicated to you in Slade said I was actually

talking about you? I wasn't talking about you. I was just talking about how Slate doesn't like to pay child for his cancer child. And Andy's like, well, by the way, I would also argue with the two of you. I feel like you're both asked about the other person in interviews and stuff.

I mean, come on. That's what we do. And Tamer's like, I do not get asked about, Richard. Yes, you do. I'm, excuse me, I have to go to the bathroom. soon. So is this going to be wrapping up any time soon? No. Okay, that's fine. Well, over

from the... Oh, sorry, I wasn't finished. Please say that again. I'd like to hear it. I said I was doing something wacky on the sofa. Woo-hoo! Holding in the pee. Well, little orphan, Shannie, we think you're going to like it here. Okay? Now,

over from the bolder holder says, Heather, how did you think Tamara had no a little tent in showing off Jen's photo? It seems obvious it was a fatty photo. Come on. Oh, Andy, if you had been there, it was a long evening where many things were talked about, including Teddy and what was going on with her and Wendy Malick being a forever bitch,

things like that. And there were traumatic conversations that were had. And in the middle of it, she just was like, oh, Jen wants to be me. And oh, God, there was a litany, Andy, just a litany. And then just like cuts to like the Gretchen couch. And you just see Jen, Emily, and Gretchen just staring like. What the fuck is she saying? Litney.

Is that, is that a new cast member? Litany. Letney. Heather's like, I didn't mean anything by it. You had to be there. Look, I saw that photo of Jen and I thought now there's a woman who will wear Emily's jeans. She could win an Oscar with how big she got for that photo. So Jen is like, Tamers like, well, you use my hair extensions.

And Jen's like, I didn't use your hair extensions. And then goes, I think it was established. That's lawyer speak, that it was a joke. And she put them in there temporarily case dismissed. Now who wants to do a reverse cowgirl, Shane? And his camera's so full of it. She knew that. They already, they already did this.

And she's still like, he stole my hair. You stole my hair. Oh, my God. Tamara, you move your hair too much. Corn stops starts popping out of it. No one wants her hair, Tamara. She was like the velociraptors. You know how like they had to keep like the the cage electrified at all moments because the velociraptors are always testing it to see if there's like a weakness.

And then because, you know, it was based on real science, guess. And that's what Tamara's doing. She's just going to always like test that electric fence to see is today the day the power went out. Can I escape today? So she'd be like, you take my, you put my hair. She's like, I have for the 10th time, I did not. She's like, damn, didn't work today. Try again tomorrow.

Oh, yeah. You won't lie to me. Hey, Steeler. Everybody wants my hair, Andy. You're like, no one stole your hair, Tamara. Calm down, okay. Well, in the realm of this conversation, I wasn't gonna say, Tamara, that's not okay.

Because that, that conversation was not germane to what the bigger conversation was. And you cut to the other couch, it's like, who's germane is germane jackson on the show i meet him uh emma's like is germain jackson on the show and um i'm sorry um what was uh oh sorry i thought there was another big word in there what did you say germane oh i think the other big word was conversation um so emily is like okay lawyer speaking what your honor what was your real intent with the photo just that Jen had changed. I mean, we have all changed for growing out loud.

Yeah, you've all changed. You have all changed. I love seeing what Bravo does to people. Look at you guys. I could bounce you off a garage door and have a great after-school game. I'll tell you what Bravo doesn't do for people is provide a toilet because I have to pee very badly. And I just want to say before I just make an accident that's in front of everyone, that Tamara, when we were in Temecula, you said it was shady to bring up the photo. You did say that. Yeah, what I was. It was shady.

You look, I didn't even look great in that picture. I was being shady to myself, but I was mainly being shit. But when I said I was being shady to myself, I'm also saying I'm being shady to Jen, because she basically is me, copycat. Yeah, basically, I didn't look in that photo either, but it was mostly because I was standing in front of the shadow that big fatty gin was casting all over me. That was the point. She was showing me the photo in that context, Andy, there.

I knew I could get to it. So the point was, overall, Tamara was babbling so much. I zoned out and she mentioned it at that point. And I just wasn't listening or paying attention because I was trying to get ready for my caperet with Richard Marks. Did you all watch? Did you see me singing with Richard Marks, anyone? Did you?

You watched that, of course. Of course I did. She sounded great, actually, for a real housewife? for a sex wife yeah um that what was it like i've got money no would she say i ain't got no money she's like that's a joke what what's that was she singing i don't know it was my mind it was was lady the tramp yeah no it was lady at tramp da da da da da da da da den ready i think when it comes to bravo cabaret you know we started countess luan and then from there we go to ashley um um, Ashley Darby. So like when Heather comes around and she hits 75% of her notes, I'm like,

wow, I mean, you hand her the Grammy now. Yeah, that's true. And I even sing a song like that with like musicality, you know, from a time where that mattered. But, um, yeah, back in the day when I was in the Rat Pack. Oh, Johnny, Johnny Trull to get over here on my lap. Let's tell some rapack stories. I'm just a jiggleau. And everywhere. I go, people have something to say about me. That's why the lady is germane.

Humala baby litany babelie babelie. Hummelababily litany. Bop. Thank you, Alfreda. Welcome back. Been waiting all day. Savannah from Never Smile says why do you think Tamara can't

stop talking shit about you even after Ryan's cease and desist. Oh yeah, she's talked about me more than I talked about him. That's for sure. That's for sure. Well, outside of the photo, was there more issues between the two of you? Well, I mean, she, I mean, Tamara said that she had an affair. It was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was terrible. I need the toilet.

And Tamara's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, it happened to all the yoga studio, we think distracted. with an instructor. No, Tamara, that's not true. That's why I can't do this with you. Just be honest. Be honest, Tamara. It was a rumor.

I heard about it. I'm not proud of it. I had an affair on Will with Ryan, but I didn't have an affair with any man at my yoga studio. It was just Ryan. And I mean, well, I mean, to be fair, we had sex in the parking lot. And I guess technically that was my yoga studio. But like, really, at that point, it's a little bit of a gray area. Well, okay, I got no proof that you had any fair with somebody on Ryan.

buddy on Ryan outside the yoga studio, whatever, so I shouldn't set that. I regret saying that Jen is a big slufface who has to fares all the time. Tamara, Tamara, I think your go-to is if you're going to say something, like, I'm going to throw something and see if it sticks. And it just gets scary when you do that, because then we don't delve into deep things with you, because, like, what if you get mad and take some bullshit and throw it at us? Like, what if you're, like, you know, truths about us? Oh, come on.

You're just saying that because you once arrived at the bank when you're 18 and you're out of Record sealed. See, that's what exactly what I'm telling you about talking about. Okay, you're right. I shouldn't have said that. I shouldn't set the chance of bank, rather. That reminds me. I need to have you have a meal with Wendy Malick. So that way, you out her secrets. See what I'm doing. Everyone, that was a, it was a callback. It was a callback, but it was a reference to it was, I'm really dying out here, Alfred. I'm going to, I'm going to need you to, but I'm going to need you to pay it. Well, he's unfortunately in the bathroom, and it's exactly the worst timing that I could ever imagine for myself. I actually said I have to go to the bathroom, so Alfredo offered to go for me. He should be back any moment.

Hopefully, he's wiping. Oh, he just flushed. He just flushed. Oh, yeah, well, you're okay with Gretchen. How come you're okay with Gretchen? But you're not with me. But Gretchen's never done anything like that to me. Yet.

Yet. Okay, Tamara. So, are you admitting? that if Gretchen did that, it would also be terrible. You're terrible. Why don't you just admit it? Tamara's so ridiculous. Just stop with the tears. My God. So does Jen have a wedding date yet? And no, she doesn't. What's the rush? She doesn't really care. She's just doing this for the cameras. You ain't got, you all ain't going to pay for it. And so then Gretchen's like, yeah, I mean, there's no rush to get married. I've been engaged 16 years. You've been avoiding paying child support for a cancer victim for 16

years is what your lame ass has been doing, Gretchen. Stop acting like you're living some love story. I think Jed is being really smart. I'm proud of it. They have a great relationship and the fact that she's taking it slow and thinking about things about wanting her children to be there and not rushing it is really smart. Which is Emily's way of saying this is really good because the longer she waits, the sooner Ryan's true colors will come out and she'll realize she never should have gotten married to this guy in the first place. And just hearing it from Emily, like Emily's so kind. I was so happy that they showed the clips because it was so good because Andy's like, well, that's a big deal because you were so hard on her. And the way she was handling her finances.

And then we cut to the clip of Emily being like, you are so dumb. You don't even tell I to walk around without carrying diamonds everywhere. When you owe people money, pay money back, you dumb bitch. Like, Emily was rotten to the core to this woman. Just fucking terrible. And it just reminded me, you know, every season I'm like, when are they going to get rid of Emily?

She is so rotten to whoever she's being rotten to. She's been rotten to everybody. She's just a nasty, nasty person. But, you know, unlike Tamara, Emily knows how to rain it in when it's important so she can try and get on back on people's good sides again. Yeah. I think Emily has some upside, but, um, yeah. I've, this was that she sucks. Emily sucks. No, I agree she sucks. No, I'm saying that like there's moments when when she like you said, she can rain it in for like a second and like they're

there's always these flashes where I'm like, I could see a world. someday where I could like Emily, but it's tough. It's real tough. So she's like, yeah, I just, I'm like so proud of her. And he's like, well, you were pretty tough on her last year. Yeah, and thank you so much for calling me very stupid and shaming me when I was at my lowest point when I had no money. That meant like a lot to me.

Yeah, I think she's taking some of that to heart. And I think that she just thinks more about things now. I'm just so proud of her that she does pushups on her Instagram and just her doing pushups. Gosh, they could have me just. fix everyone's social media at this point. Mommy, make a little bit more. I really liked how she, they showed this clip of Emily being absolutely

fucking vile. She's like, yeah, I think she learned from that. So I'm really, I just helped her, you know, that's me. Good old helpful Emily, calling you dumb bitch until you get it in an order. Jen then goes, and guys, I just want to announce that if something happens to me, me and my kids are going to be just

fine. And they're all clapped. They're like, yay, Jen. I've saved $35 in my account. Oh. They're already used to sleeping in parking lots. How worse can it be? They're going to be. She's like, we'll be fine. You know, we will be fine.

We have learned to take, we've learned how to take salt out of ocean water. The kids are going to be fine. Don't worry, everybody. I figured out cold fusion, so we're going to be okay. All right, Jen and Amsterdam, you worried if you would be enough for Ryan. As you get older, did you really say cold fusion? you really should publicize that more yeah i did if i figured it out have you told have you told the government no i don't trust them okay well gina you mentioned that ryan over sexualizes jen

do you feel like the way ryan sexy talks about jen is the reason jen may feel like she's not enough oh yeah i just think that like jen was like in her marriage and like jen spent like a lot of time serving others and like jen is like having a moment where she's like truly trying to figure out who she is and I think that like Jen, when it comes down to a lot of insecurities, I do think that, like, Ryan is like going to, do I think that he's going to, like, leave you like when you don't look that way? No, I don't think so. He'll leave you before then. So I think it's like, has nothing to do with that. yeah well i'll tell you this i've never had a best friend as a partner i mean this is just so great you know i've never had someone spend so much time with me and touch me and love me and i think wow does this end are we going to be able to do this forever will we will you always be able to touch me and love me oh oh and i've been with shame for 17 years and his hands are all over me all the

time. Me too. 29 years, which I guess is significantly longer than you. So I guess if you're going to one-up, Jen, I'll just one-up you. I'll pretend I'm in the penthouse and I'm saying one floor up from Emily Simpson, which is a joke because it would be probably about 34 floors up. Anyway, reverse cowgirl with Terry DeBrow. Talk about a hot time, right, America?

Oh, thanks a lot because now Shane asks for that all the time. Sorry, but you know what? You do at least get to turn around and face the. television well glad to see you made it back from the bathroom alfredo keep your finger on the button you guys don't understand what the joy is to do reverse cowgirl on terry de bro while watching old episodes of suits talk about a hot time right that wasn't a joke i was sharing i was sharing my experience this is important to

to me. This is important. Seats is important. I need to see the television show that I was not cast in. You know, I'm trying to do comedy now, and I'm going to get it. Fine. Fine. I'll just go back to missionary. Back to missionary with Terry Debrough.

Oh, now I say something funny and you stop laughing. Great. Great. That was really salient, you guys. That was really salient. Commercials. Here comes one right now. So while everyone purges the vision of Heather Dubrow doing reverse cowgirl on Terry Debrough, while she also watches TV. And he's like, my remember before Christmas porn.

I know. She's like watching. you know my lottery dream home do me i was watching house hunters the other day for dwell hello and on the bottom of the screen because it was on youtube tv that my lottery dream home guy came on and he was just like the pop up on the screen you know that comes up and he's wearing like a bright pink fluffy thing with pink sunglasses being pulled down and he's going like i was like please why do i need this on my fucking dwell hello leave me alone he is really turning into like the flash version of the abyss monster

So Jen is like, Jen is, he's like the T-2,000 or whatever it is. Jen is like, you know, Ryan and I met with Will and it was weird. Just in case someone wants to know how things are going with Will, it was weird, but Will sat there and he owned everything, which is funny because he owns nothing. But can you imagine doing that in front of Ryan having to say apologies to a guy who has paint on his denim?

It's humbling. Well, does he appreciate the role that we're on? and stay again. She's like, yeah, he thanked him for taking care of the kids. He really did. He thanked him. Oh, wow. So, Gina, why did you express in Amsterdam that you felt that Jen and Shannon have a fake friendship? She's like, okay, maybe that was a little hoarse, but I was getting mixed messaging. Like, when I was with John, you'd say, like, I don't want that. But then you tipped all around Shannon. And then I think, ah, Gina, I wish she knew, Gina, Gina, Gina, sheena, Gina. I wish Gina would just show up with the backbone instead of showing up and pretending everything she said was nothing and she never meant anything and she's just so sorry

it's like to show up with a pair you know, grow some heels everything she's in trouble for this season instead of standing behind it and just having an argument she's like yeah that was harsh I shouldn't have done that because like I support all women

and that's what this is about well I said I don't want any traditional bridal stuff and it just makes me nervous So, but when I learned that it was already planned, there's no way I'm going to go to my friend and say, like, undo everything you did. And then when I watched it back and Shannon, what you did and what she said, oh, what? Me? I barely, it was, it was nothing. It was just, you know, $5,000, but like, you know, when you're unlimited. It was nothing. I, listen, I mean, I mean, would it have hurt maybe a little bit less if I hadn't paid $75,000 of John Jans? Yes, but let's not talk about the $5,000.

i spent on my friendship i was just so so embarrassed that they even included me talking about money i mean that was disgusting that five thousand dollars i spent 20 times that is a hundred thousand dollars i spent oh it was all embarrassing i wish i hadn't mentioned that who oh who i and and and and to think that they got the wrong flowers and the wrong the wrong the wrong type of glassware it's just it's just mortifying when you spent five thousand dollars and a friend like that. Oh, no, you don't. Don't look at me.

I didn't, you're not supposed to know how much I spent at the $5,000 that I spent. But I don't deserve that, Shannon. I don't. Of course you do. Of course you deserve someone who's single and on their own and has no children anymore to spend all of their life savings on your party. Of course you do. Let's not talk about the price.

It was expensive. I'm just a friend who does things out of the kindness of my own heart. Does anyone need Sloan Kettering? Anyone? That's like my, that's a card. really love to play. Sloan Kettering, everyone. Sloan Kettering.

And do you feel like your friendship with Shannon is one-sided? And Jim is like, no, no, I really do. Like, even though I got salty, like I feel like I can say things to Shannon. And then, like, I do think say things to Shanna. Yeah, we know you can, because you're fucking rude to her every time.

And she's like, well, when you said, I worry about you, that really hurt my feelings. You know, if you're so worried, you would call me or check in. I mean, who knows someone who's an alcoholic and just leaves them there to rot. No offense, Dad. Did I say that?

Well, anyway. Tamara, how? It's just like you just cannot stop, but ring her him up. You said that, bitch, because she's drunk again. She's drunk. Drunky, say what? What? What?

Drunkie now. Drunky now. Look around the room alarms. What? What? What? Yeah, drunky. Well, I will tell you who I'm accountable for.

Myself. And that's what's important. And I'm continuing to improve my martini, said myself. That's all that matters. Yeah, that's a, that's fair. I apologize for them. No, it's not that Gina. Oh, oh, Gina.

Oh, do I hold any grudges? No. Heather, in regards to your friendship with Gina, do you think Gina has a double standard by accusing you of not always supporting her and then making light of your work to get back at the Comdeck and answer that for you? Yes, hell, yes, it's a big double standard,

but feel for the answer in your own words. Well, what bothered me was we're both putting ourselves back in the world in some capacity in our careers she's selling one bedrooms to seniors i'm i don't know taking over television beaming myself into living rooms far and wide uh reminding people that there are better options than just wendy malick uh but you know jena thank you i was i was telling nancy travis the other day i was saying it's so great to work in comedy again what are you working on nancy and then I let the silence linger for a while while she tried to remember what it was like to work.

Wow, a lot of Travis heads here today. Well, you know what? I have to speak my truth. The truth is she, she's no Andy McDowell, that's for sure. No Andy McDowell. Okay. Why did the Nancy Travis cross the road? To get to the curly hair that Andy McDowell has,

that's the real stalker, Tamara. That's the real stalker. Alfredo, get in here right out. Alfredo. Thank you. Okay, well, Heather, by the way, Heather, I just wanted to say, it's not like everybody criticized you. I didn't say, oh, Heather, they're criticizing your career. I just said they were surprised you were doing comedy.

Shannon, that is not true, ma'am. You sat down, you're like, well, so all the other girls are saying that you're doing comedy, and they seem very, oh, whoa, they said it like this. What? Excuse me. My turn. Still me. I'm discussing why this is very important to me. What about me getting very angry in this moment says that I am not a comic actress? Please say. Okay. This was my era because I got a short-sighted. Like, I did not make the connection between what we were having a lighthearted laugh about you with your career. And I'm sorry about that. And I feel... I appreciate that. But doubling down in your interview,

excuse me, excuse me, do not draw out your bed while I am talking. It's my turn. Still me. My turn. Comic actress turn. Comic actress time. The sign says on the air,

and that is for the comedians. I am just telling you that every time I talk about my career, specifically the comedy career, over the years on the show, someone says something and makes me not want to open up about it. Emily, can you ask if we can go to the bathroom? He apparently doesn't listen to me.

And you told me you wanted to be a comedy writer, Gina. How about that? And my knee-jerk reaction to that was that's so cool. I love your choosing a profession in a dying industry. The comedy writers are not getting paid anything. They're so poor. They have to go on strike.

Great choice for you. You could write a skit about the old people riding in on their rascals to look at the studio apartments you're selling them. I love that for you. Can't breathe. Can't breathe. Choking on my own pee. Can I go pee? Please.

Excuse me. This is very important to me. Andy, why are you not paying attention to what I'm talking about? Well, I'm just trying to say, I mean, listen, she's already peeing on one couch. We don't need another with couch peed on. That's me, Andy. Okay. Sorry.

A lot of this cast has been on couches before. Okay, we care, Heather. She's like, it is important. This is important to me. Okay, this is extremely, extremely. Okay, okay. You know what? I've had it with you, people.

Can we just stop for a second and say, Gina wants to be a comedy writer? Did I hear that wrong? She said that, right? Oh, my God. But. And then all this stuff. that they kept interjecting here when she's like, oh my god, had I think it's like Jermaine to say salient that like I never meant stuff like that about you and like maybe that wasn't nice, but like I know you're a really good actor.

And then it keeps cutting to Gina what she was really saying. She's like, oh my God, who told her she was funny? Like the salespeople at the Bergdwarf, am I right? And then it cuts back to Gina being like, no, Heather, I got nothing for respect for you in your career. Then it cuts to her like, yeah, she was in sitcoms like, oh, 20 years ago. That was too. Like, what's the deal with muffin tops? Am I right? They're the best part of the muffin while we have the bottom part. Okay, now you're doing Seinfeld. Okay, well, sorry, I've got to my audition.

Okay, well, you know, you doubled down, and it hurt me. So, Andy's like, well, I would like to say that she is the only person in this group has been on many, many, many sitcoms. Okay, Malibu country aside, Gretchen. You know, Heather's like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. That's funny, Andy. That's funny, which reminds me. It's time for my annual call where I leave a vicious voicemail for that casting director.

If you ever consider Gretchen Rossi over me, television's Heather DeBrow again, it will cost you a lot. Well, I just want to say, I've got to go to the bathroom right now. Thank you. Thank you, audience. Thank you very much for your war. I wasn't even expect. Thank you. Oh, that's these flowers.

This is what's just a laugh. This is really. Thank you. Yes, I'll be back. I'll be back. We're just taking a... Ha, ha, ha, ha, I know. Look, I'm falling.

I'm falling. I'll be back. I'll be back. Um, wait, Andy, I just have a question. Uh, I received a text message from someone named Drake who said that he loved my bit. Oh. Now you're really doing it, Shannon. So we come back from commercial, and Shannon's like, wow, I wish they could have fixed my hair.

Well, you're lucky that Jen didn't steal it. And we're back. When it came to etchicurricular activities, the OC proved to be as well-rounded as the oranges they hold. Now let's watch a segment of fun and games. So it's basically, whoa, I'm going to fall over. Well, I'm going to get onto a horse. Woo, bicycling. Ha, wow. Wacky, wacky, wacky, wacky. Here I am.

Ha, I'm America, sweetheart. I just got off of Love Hotel, and now I'm falling all over the way. There's that slut on the beach. Woo! I'm fun. Fun shannon. Happy. I just came from a lymphatic drainage machine. All right. Well, this quote-unquote fun in games segment, can you tell me what's the purpose of a lymphatic drainage massage? It just sounds like an excuse for an orgasm. Did you have one? Emily. No, but I would have if I'd stayed longer. Later on though I pulled the turkey sandwich out of my bag and I rolled that around on myself and I came like a like a rocket ship

Andy. Thank you. Thank you everybody. Thank you. Unacceptable. Not thanks guys. I'll be here all week. A new low. So Andy is like like well three billboards in Missouri Dury wants to know what was with Gretchen's Tomb Raider outfit and fake bridge. She's like, oh, I love a theme. I just think it makes it fun and campy. Which is exactly what you're going for in a self-defense class.

Yeah. So they talk about her telling everybody they had to show up serious because it was a very serious scene. And then she showed up like Laura Croft and then like did carjacking jokes on people. And Emily's trying to explain why this is so funny. she's cracking up. And I'm like, I wasn't offended or anything. I just was like, it was a you had to be their moment. She's like, oh, well, so silly you guys, you guys, you guys. Well, so silly is that like, she kept on being like, this is serious. And like, this is serious. And like, this is serious. And like, this is serious. And like, you guys are really entertained by yourselves. Anyway, honey, let's joke about our inside jokes again. Hey. Yeah. Yeah.

So they talk about how strong Jen is, and they all learned that she's very dense and nobody, nobody makes a joke. And then, let's see, Olive from Kittridge wants to know what Shane thought when he saw you at the Abbey having the ride of your life. And she's like, I was a victim of triumphing, okay? And then they show multiple clips of Emily writing every stripper that comes into town, which is kind of funny. So we talk about strippers and cock rings. And Heather's like, I have never seen a cock ring before. Wow. So they asked Andy what a cock ring is for. I actually don't know either. Do you? I thought it was to keep guys hard. But Andy said it's to make your wiener look bigger. I always assumed it was to make people cringe during gay porn and turn it off. Because that's usually my reaction. I think it's like of age. You know, it's like an age signifier. I always thought it was to keep boners. oh cock ring i was thinking um you know what the entire time i was thinking a prince uh what do you call it

you know the i was thinking the piercing i wasn't thinking cock ring oh well okay i'm gonna leave you with your boner could you imagine i saw a cockering and i'm going to cringe and turn off the gay porn no it's the it's the piercing at the tip prince albert or something oh no like a cock ring like ding dong you know yeah that's different come to your door and they're like ding dong we're selling cookies This changes everything because really in my mind those trippers pulled out their dicks and there was a piercing and Heather Debrose saw it up close in person was like if you ever show me that but Cochering is my oh yeah yeah yeah I thought Cochering is I think to keep the blood in the dick so that way you stay hard right isn't it like the strippers use strippers need to use it because they're up there dancing for hours I don't know I mean if I want to make my dick look bigger I just carry around like a really tiny representation of of a dick, you know, just like a cornishone or something. And I just, when someone looks down there, I just hold it

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