Watch What Crappens - #308: Lu-zing Her Mind (Special Guest: Matt Whitfield)

Episode Date: July 8, 2016

Ronnie is on vacation; so in his place is Watch What Crappens co-founder Matt Whitfield (Yahoo!) to help dish everything from LuAnn to Kathryn. Come listen as we get down and dirty! 00:00:00 -- Intro 00:16:18 — The Matt Whitfield Warm Seat 00:31:12 — Real Housewives of New York City 01:15:42 — Southern Charm 01:39:00 — General Bravo talk Subscribe at https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/watch-what-crappens/id498130432?mt=2 Support us at patreon.com/watchwhatcrappens Follow us at facebook.com/watchwhatcrappens Visit us at watchwhatcrappens.com See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.Our Patreon Extras: https://patreon.com/watchwhatcrappens See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

From Wondery and Audible comes Class of 88, a new podcast hosted by Will Smith. Before 1988, a lot of people didn't take hip-hop seriously. But hip-hop today touches everything from film to fashion to sports. So what changed? Follow Class of 88 wherever you get your podcasts. Watch what crap is. Watch what crap is. Who cares what happens when there's so much that crap happens? What happens? What happens?

Crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, Who cares what happens when there's so much that crappens? Who cares what happens when there's so much that crappens? Who cares what happens when there's so much that crappens? Hey everyone, welcome to Watch What Crappens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to watch. I'm Ben Mandelker from bsideblog.com and the Banter Blender podcast, which will rise from the ashes one of these days. It's been a few months since I've recorded from it, but, you know, it will come back. So normally joining me would be my plucky co-host, Ronnie Karam, but he is off driving through Texas doing who knows what,

getting into whatever bar fights he may get into. So who better to fill his shoes than the one, the only, the inimitable Matt Whitfield from Yahoo and the Big Brother Smotherer podcast. Hi, Matt. Welcome back. Hi, Ben. Thanks for having me. It's just a little too convenient to roll down the hill drunk to your house. I know. Exactly. Or at least caffeinated. Well, no, there's alcohol in my coffee. There's alcohol in your coffee? Yeah, it's sponsored by Rum Chata.

Have you had Rum Chata? I don't even... Is that like horchata-flavored rum? Yes, and it goes in your coffee. And every morning slash in the middle of the evening, which it is right now, I like to have a little splash. If I had known you were getting some spirits in your coffee, I would have surely picked up some Baileys or whatever at Ralph's. Because I just got this Starbucks from the in-store Starbucks. That's not a real Starbucks, by the way.

I can't go to them. I just can't. I can't go to one in a Target. It's just fake. I know. I thought of that because I did ask for those. Here's some inside knowledge. Before the podcast, I did ask Matt if he wanted a coffee from Starbucks.

And you were very polite. You said, no, I'm all set. But I knew. I knew you were going to the one in the Ralphs. And I was like, that's gross. And I knew secretly you were not going to accept the one from the Ralphs. But I still wanted to offer. So you knew that I wasn't going to say yes so you wouldn't have to carry a second drink home?

Well, I would have gotten the cardboard thing. But I had a feeling. I was like, you know what, though? I bet he's going to say no because it's the one in Ralphs. I didn't do it because you were going to say no. I did it, but I knew you were going to say no. So I'm a monster, and I'm so glad to be back. No, this is what we want.

We love this. We love the monster that is Matt Whitfield. By the way, I have to say that the Watch What Crappens 300th episode party a few months ago, weeks ago, I don't even know how long ago it was. I was a shit-faced disaster. It was amazing. I was going to-faced disaster. It was amazing. I was going to ask you what your thoughts were about it. It was so much fun. And those that are listening right now that were actually there and I got to see in person

again or meet for the very first time, it was an absolute blast. And I want you guys to do them more often because that was just too much fun. We have to. I want to. I was thinking about it today. I don't know what we're going to do. I want to get like, maybe I'll bribe people to come. Maybe we'll have a raffle.

I have like an extra board game here that maybe I'll do a board game giveaway. If we like, we'll have a live meetup and I'll bribe people by it with board games. It needs to happen. Plus I had never seen like Periscope in action, but apparently you're a millennial with the Periscope. I dusted off the old Periscope for the first time in like nine months. Do people still do that in the Vine? I don't know. I mean, people do Vine. I haven't been on Vine in a while. People do Periscope.

I'm not, I haven't done it in a while. I've recently finally started to be more active on Snapchat, which is weird. Do we follow each other on the Snapchat? Yes, we do. Do we just not post that much? Yeah. I go in spurts. Like I'll do it for a week and then I'll be like, I need three weeks off. I'll post like four things in a row and then I'll stop for like five days. But are you at that, while you're not posting for those five days, are you still looking at your story of everybody else's stuff? I'm looking at other, yeah, because mainly, you know, I follow a bunch of people, but I mainly go to see what the hot people are doing. Well, that's why I use Instagram for the hot people.

But you can actually see who I'm following now on Instagram, which I don't like. Yeah, on Snapchat you don't know. But I can't tell who you're following on Snapchat. You can't see what I'm looking at. So maybe I need to investigate that more. I am following you, though. Okay. I don't remember what you posted last.

Well, I'm tired of looking at people's dogs and babies. It's actually hideous. And in fact, the thing that's actually really annoying about Snapchat is it's actually making me angry at people. Because there are people who will have these like, they'll treat it like Periscope, but they'll have these monologues in 10 second increments and I'm like click click click

to advance to them, just get to your hot images, click click click click and it's just like I don't want to hear your long monologue you should have a podcast like this, if you want a monologue you come on to a podcast don't break it up like the only person that posts rapid fire like that that I tolerate

is Retta who by the way did you know that Retta lives down the block from us? really? she lives down the block she used to live let's not say the street but I think that she lives past Pinkberry really? oh one of the new fancy ones.

Anyway, I live for her. There's a street of a million stars. Well, we know MJ, a.k.a. Mercedes. Mercedes. MJ is across the street from this very building. Don't I have Mike the Miz? No, the Miz used to be in MJ's building.

You used to have, as your next door neighbor, Ashley from Real Housewives of New Jersey. How can you ever forget Jacqueline's... Jacqueline's daughter. was it jacqueline's daughter yeah jacqueline's daughter from the husband pre chris yes she lived next to you yeah uh evil dick from big brother lived on the other side of you and then uh also sugar from uh there are a few like survivor people who are in the mix on on our street i feel like they all work at like sushi restaurants on sunset. Yeah, I feel like they do. Like lots of hostess gigs. Yeah, I secretly wish there were a celebrity in this very building.

There is actually. There is. There is a very famous podcaster on the fourth floor. Okay. But I once like tweeted out like, hey, like what's up neighbor? And he direct messaged me and was like, please don't reveal where

i live so i'm like okay never mind okay so mercedes is gonna come after us tonight mercedes yeah bring it so um so yeah the watch what happens 300th party was amazing would you have any were there any revelations that you had did you what was it a drunken moment that was particularly like wonderful my bar tab was out of control. I was truthfully expecting more people to buy me drinks, which was kind of upsetting. But yeah, I got home and the next morning I was going through my receipts. That night also continued beyond. Yeah, it was Gay Pride weekend.

Well, I got thrown in an Uber and ended up somewhere. And before you know it, it was a shit show. But yeah, it was great to meet people. It was so weird too because in the past few months i've met listeners that have been there from the very beginning yeah and one of my now friends in la katie yeah i was at the improv and she heard me talking to somebody in the bar at the improv and was like are you matt from watch what crap happens and we beat we've become friends and she was then there at the party and it's just

it was absolutely bizarre and the guy I'm dating actually has like a following and a fan base here in LA because he's a comedian and I thought that he was getting a little pissed that I was getting the attention that night and I lived for it. Yeah that was my one night to feel fancy. It was

great meeting your boyfriend by the way and I had no idea that you guys were dating and I'm randomly Facebook friends with him. Well, I was like you know Ben and he's like

I think I know Ben but like had you guys never met before? We had never met. We had never met ever. I think he added me. I think he was like networking

trying to grow his Facebook thing or whatever. So I was like okay, sure. He seems funny. So we're Facebook friends and in fact when you walked up I was like oh, we finally meet and he had no idea who I was like okay sure he seems funny so we're Facebook friends and in fact when you walked up I was like

oh we finally meet and he had no idea who I was so it was actually hilarious but it was really cool to meet him because I have seen the things he's posted and he's like a very active comedian so like congratulations Matt. No thank you it was good I mean it was great to see you guys and then you know people that

you know fans of the show that I hadn't seen in years it was fantastic to see you guys and then you know people that you know fans of the show that i hadn't seen in years it was tammy it was fantastic to see tammy and our beloved juts and you know it was great to to everyone got hammered which was most so i wasn't the only one because i was a mess there were a lot of people who there who were a mess i was pretty drunk too i didn't realize how drunk i was until the next day i was like oh i was drunker than i than i realized i was pretty drunk did your boyfriend take care of you? He was the babysitter that night? I didn't need to be babysat, but

he did whisk me off to a diner for some late night food, which was good. Always necessary. It was a little crazy for him because he shows up to support and the funny thing is a lot of people know about him at this point.

He was a little surprised at how much people knew about him. It's not like they know everything, but he just thinks he's like an anonymous part of the Watch What Crappens world. People actually listen to Watch What Crappens, and they know about our lives as a result. He's part of your life. Yeah, exactly. That was the first time I had met him, too.

You guys have been dating, what, almost two years? Two years, yeah. Ridiculous. Anyway. So, let's talk Bravo stuff. Yes, let's's do that wait okay pimp your social media handles you're right look i'm so i'm so in a tizzy that we're doing a podcast in person we live three buildings away on the street of a thousand stars that i need to rename it a street of a thousand stars i know century city might have an issue with that. Oh, well. So for those of you who are just joining

for the first time, come to facebook.com forward slash Watcher Crappens, which is the best Facebook page on the internet because so much

is going on there. Everyone posts all sorts of fun gossip about Facebook and comments and it's like a real community. Really worth joining that

to prolong their Watcher Crappens experience beyond the podcast. My only issue I have to say this is sometimes I'll comment there and then people will go crazy and like

comment and message back and forth with me and then every once in a while there'll be some basic bee who comes along and is like who's that and I'm

like long time loyal listeners educate the newbies educate the newbies that's all I'm going to say. Yeah we should we should um we should mention matt whitfield as a founding member of watch our crappins i think that you and i were in a bagel shop at five o'clock in the morning after watching the australian open talking about

the name of this on beverly boulevard no it was um we weren't talking about the name of it but what what what had happened was we did no what happened was i I had previously been hosting Housewife Hoedown. Oh, God. Our beloved friend Sita. Yeah, Sita. Sita was a frequent guest. Shockingly enough, I don't think I've ever had her as a guest on Watcher Crappens. I haven't seen her in years since we've done Hoedown, and I love her on Instagram and on Facebook.

Bring her in. Super funny. So Watcher Crappens was born out of house of hoedown which was this it was a video it was a web series when that it was on a network that went under and um the australian open was on it started at like 10 p.m it started like 10 p.m it was like a five and a half hour match it was beyond five and a half hours 10 p.m i was home i decided i was gonna start watching it. You knew I'd be up watching it.

You were watching it. All of a sudden, this match does not end. It just keeps going and going and going. It's the longest match in Australian Open history. And it's seven in the morning when this thing wraps up. And I knew you were... Somehow we realized... Started texting or something.

And we're like, let's get breakfast. We went to the bagel broker at seven in the morning. We're like, isn't this crazy? We just watched the Australian Open at 7 a.m. But not in the same room. And we said, like,

we should do, like, we're like, we need to go on, like, we need to continue the House of Hotel Magic, yada, yada, yada,

watch our crabbins spawn. So that is what, that is what, that is what Matt is. So for all the newbies who are wondering why this is such a joyous,

yeah, founding father, founding daddy founding i was just gonna say we're so gross but yes i'm a daddy yeah okay there you go so um anyway um go to watchacrappins.com to get um to find out where like all my social media is and ronnie's social media and matt why don't you pimp out your social media uh you guys can find me on instagram and twitter at life on the m List and a few of you have even requested my friendship

on Facebook and a few of you I've let in a few of you I've denied but feel free to send more and I'll judge you based on your profile photo

and maybe I'll accept you yeah make sure get real pretty people yeah give me some Sears Portrait Studio realness yes

yes and then if you want to support the podcast go to patreon.com forward slash watch for crappins where you get access to a bonus episode every single week um at the most basic level and then other cool perks including the crappins mailbag uh where you can submit to that but we're not gonna do the crappins mailbag today because usually the

crappins mailbag things are questions about like imagine if bethany were doing this and that and i know you hate doing i know you hate doing impersonations i can't do impersonations that was always the thing like the two of you did voices and all of that and i was just the bitch in the corner that was just like team luann yeah and i barely can do impersonations it's basically ronnie and i just try to keep up i have like one or two. I'm sorry. I can do Ramona. I can do Ramona. You can do Candy Burris like nobody's business. See? No.

Rad. There you have it. Which is its own bastardization of Candy Burris. But the thing is, that's okay. No crappens mailbag, but we've had enough idle banter at the top of this show. And there will be some more, actually. Oh, I was... Wait.

I just remembered. I want to make a new segment right away called the MWWS, which is the Matt Woodfield warm seat. So it's not as intense as a hot seat. Okay. It's warm. It's toast. It's basically questions.

Okay. Just about the state of Bravo. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. About Andy's beige suit from the Southern, we'll get to Southern Charm reunion part two in a few minutes. Exactly. But before we get to the MWWS.

Did you really write questions? No. Okay. in a few minutes. Exactly. But before we get to the M-W-W-S... Did you really write questions? No. Okay. I thought of some. Okay. But I don't remember them now. But I did think of that acronym. Okay.

Is it going to be like that new WWJD bracelet? I want like a rubber bracelet that says this. What would Matt Woodfield do? Long time fan, make one. What would Matt Woodfield do? If there's a word that connotes the look that you give when you're utterly

disgusted by something that's what I'm starting to hiss recently I don't know if that's a good thing yeah I think that comes with age

I've hissed recently also it's an aging it's an aging thing yeah but before we get into the Matt Woodfield warm seat so many tangents

yes let me tell everyone about this thing called Texture. We all know about Texture, right? See, thanks to pizza, we're all binge eating. Yes, it's pizza's fault.

Thanks to Netflix, we're all binge watching. But now with Texture, you can start binge reading. Trust me, it's about to be a thing. The Texture app lets you tap into

the world's most popular magazines anytime, anywhere anywhere using your smartphone or tablet breeze through hundreds of your favorite magazines including back issues and pick the articles that interest you the most texture has made it easy to find articles you care about so like we don't get to just read

like entertainment weekly you can read entertainment weekly and the new yorker you know so I can pick and choose so if there's something in LA Magazine that I want to read but I don't want to subscribe to LA Magazine

I can just get the cover story? Yeah. It's actually a really good app. Okay. So the Texture editorial team will recommend content for you every day. Plus you can dive deeper

with personalized collections. So sign up for Texture right now to gain insider access to all the content from the world's best publications the best part texture is offering our listeners a free trial right now when you go to texture.com slash crappins you'll gain immediate entry to all the top magazines including back issues and bonus video content so start binge reading for free right now when you go to texture.com slash crappins texture.com slash crappins texture.com slash crappins texture.com slash

crappins i really miss being the voice of that like sex product line or like a website adam and eve.com yeah it would go it would air at the end of the podcast yeah i miss being the voice of that well dare to dream dare to dream i can always go get a job at the Pleasure Chest on Santa Monica Boulevard. I know. As I say, why don't you just reach out to adamandeve.com for Big Brother Smother, the Smother Special. Oh, God. Because they'd probably send me a ball gag. Yeah, they probably would.

On that note. On that note, the Matt Woodfield warm seat. So, questions. What do you think about Orange County so far? I really am focused on laurie peterson's personal life outside of orange county and all the drama going on with her son is really upsetting to me because laurie was one of my favorite cast members ever um but back to this season i think we've only had two episodes so far correct we had kind of a break around oh yeah

you're right it's only been two episodes yeah I actually feel bad for Vicky I know this is all cyclical and of course I hated her when she was with the horrible monster Brooks but the truth is and I miss Don more than anything

Don was the best for Vicky let him go to the house in Lake Havasu let Vicky be you know an insurance vampire woman anyway I feel bad for Vicky

I don't like the other woman ganging up on her I don't like Tamra being this like two-faced monster with her fake religion. But she always is. She always is. She's been the trash bag

of all of them from the get-go. Like the worst of the worst is Tamra. She's been a tire fire. Tammy Sue Barney. Yeah. But so I feel bad for Vicky. I still hate Heather

with all of my being. Like Heather and Tamra are just trash to me. I don't like the new girl that was there last year. Oh, wait, last year? Oh, you mean Megan King-Edmonds? Megan, I don't like her. I don't care about her, like, sticking needles in her belly,

trying to have a baby with the guy who's clearly cheating on her. Yes. And I don't like Shannon being a bitch to Vicky. I don't like that. That, to me, is the real thing that sticks out. You know, Shannon is, to me, one of the heroes of Bravo. And we love her for being broken and vulnerable and raw.

And having her being a bitch to Vicky, I don't like it because they were fun as friends. Exactly. You know, sometimes on TV and storytelling, there are people who are friends and we don't like it when that friendship breaks up.

We saw it on the OC when, what was his name what's uh you know like kirsten and um sandy yeah they broke up it was like no no we can't have these two having phil and bethany jill and bethany and kim it's just it's too traumatizing we don't like it we we actually like there's certain friendships we'd like to be to be together and for vicky and shannon they were like the old women alliance against like bitches. And I am not. I just, I don't understand why Shannon is that upset.

Look, Vicky was brainwashed by this guy and they should be a little bit more compassionate. I agree. And also, I mean, Shannon did make this a little bit more of her, like, she sort of victimized herself a little bit more than she deserved. There was this whole thing about, I think her big bone of contention was there was the lying and everything. But then that Vicky told the world that David was cheating. And I'm like, you know, you were talking about it on TV. They talk about it in front of their daughters, which is wildly inappropriate. Those daughters are too young to be on reality TV. And look, they did that whole thing with the headstones.

It's all fucked up. Shannon is a fucked up mess. I love her for, you know, one part of that. I love. But she is pot kettle black with the whole Vicky. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And I think because her issue, I think, with the affair was that because Vicky was talking

to her brother, to Billy and Billy's friend, whatever her name was, about Shannon having an affair. And then Billy's girlfriend mentioned it when Shannon was being inappropriate about Vicky at that party. Was talking about Vicky. Yeah, your family has your back. Yeah, exactly. And then Shannon was mad that this woman knew about the affair.

Everybody in Orange County knows about it. Yeah, they knew about it. Rum chata in my coffee. They all knew about it. Shannon was a bit... She was a little... A little too extra on it. If Heather can be fine with it, and Terry was the one who got really dragged into the mess.

Well, speaking of those two, my only other real note... Well, two more notes on Orange County. Yeah. Heather is garbage. Terry hates his children, does not want to be on vacation with them, does not want to be part of their lives at all. And it makes Heather crazy. But I'm like, you signed up for this. She also complains so much. You're away from us. You're away from the kids. You always told us you'd be, you know, here and spending more time with us. I'm sorry. Who's

going to pay for your fucking $20 million house? His botched TV show and the 900 breast augmentations he does on a daily basis. Yeah. You can't have your cake and eat it too with your fucking broken beau fondant. I know.

I agree completely. She's a hypocrite. Well, and the ongoing thing about how she's so stressed working on this house. I'm like, you know, you didn't have to build a giant house.

No, you could also hire multiple subcontractors and project managers so you don't have to do it all. If your life is that stressful. Well, it also... Dealing with your monster child named Coco who throws sand at her father. Well, they're also importing marble from who knows where and probably like redwood, you know, wood. They're taking down forests.

And just overseal. It's like, you know what? Just how about this? Move into a ranch house. Yeah. Buy a ranch house yeah buy a ranch my only other thing for OC is

I was so happy to see Gina my queen Gina back in the mix supporting Vicky being friends with Vicky again being neighborly

and looking fucking great with her blunt bangs refreshed face even though her sons are still hot assholes I don't care Gina was back it's always so great to see Gina.

Gina will never fully go away. No, never. Never, never. Why isn't she coming back as a full-time cast member? Vicky needs the support. Shannon is not giving it to her. This is the perfect opportunity to bring a former full-timer that became friend of bring them back into the mix.

She by charade will probably be re-elevated again to Atlanta this season. Fingers crossed. And look, Countess Luann, after getting a downgrade, back full time. Gina deserves it. Maybe Gina doesn't have enough going on in her life. But that's also hilarious. Yeah.

I mean, she's doing... I mean, what's happening? You know, does Matt still live in the house? Well, everybody's a real estate agent with quotation marks around it. But, you know, I mean... Well, don't you want to know what's going on with that ex-husband? Is he still, like, up in the attic doing who knows what? Right, is he in the attic, like, painting and throwing baseballs? I don't know.

I want to know about Shane's acting career. Me too, and I hope that it's on Sean Cody. It probably will be very soon. I mean, there could be a whole spinoff show about the kids from Orange County. 100%. Because here's the thing. First of all, the show's been on for 10 years. very soon. Yeah. I mean, there could be a whole spin-off show about the kids from Orange County because they are... Because here's the thing. First of all,

the show's been on for 10 years. So a lot of them are teenagers, at least from the original generation, they're teenagers or older and they're all disasters across the board.

Lynn Curtin's kids? Her daughters? Constantly in the press about shoplifting and taking drugs. And porn. Yes. Yeah.

I mean, I want to know what Laurie Waring's older daughter is up to. What about Tammy Knickerbocker's OC Angels? Yes, thank you. There are a lot of former teenagers that we need to catch up with. Right. Including Joe De La Rosa.

Yeah. What are your thoughts on New York City so far this season? This week's episode I thought was incredibly boring, but I do like this cast. I'm very happy that Heather is out of the way. I'm happy that Kristen is out of the way. I have not missed a Viva for two seasons. I'm finally starting to get on board a little bit with Jules because her true life is in shambles. And that makes me happy

because I dislike her. Yes. So I'm okay with her right now and especially in the preview for next episode for next week's episode.

I got excited about that. Because somebody needs to fight Bethany whether they are justified or not. Somebody needs to check the B. And Jules is about to bring it. I agree.

I do miss Heather a little bit. You used to be a big Heather fan, right? No, I hated her and Carol. I thought you liked Heather at one point. Oh, no. Hey, Mama. Hey, Mama. No, I hated her.

What I liked about Heather was that she could be so fake and seemingly very sweet and supportive as a friend. And then she could just turn into such a bitch. Like, you couldn't come at her. One thing I really like that when she doesn't, how she doesn't suffer any fools. She'll be like, how their big fake smile. And the moment you come at her a little bit,

she is coming right back at you with twice as strong. And I do respect that in a woman sometimes. Well, I hated the way she attacked, not attacked, but just the way she was so obnoxious to Bethany at Dorinda's house last season. Yeah. And I was just kind of done

with her at that point because I was so excited to see Bethany back. But now that Bethany is back in her second season, I'm starting to think that she needs somebody to challenge her. Yeah. My beloved Luanne, which we'll get to in a little bit, is falling on her face over and over again,

sticking her foot in her mouth. Luanne should have gotten her act together to like properly take on Bethany because it is a disaster right now. I don't have high hopes for Jules taking on Bethany, but at least somebody's going to try and rock the boat a little bit. It's been a tough season for Luann because her image has taken a hit. She has really gone into the sad, pathetic realm of Housewives. Especially this week.

Yeah, I mean, it was teetering there, and then with Berkshire's Madness, it really started, like, she became the pariah. I was still on her side at that point. Oh, I've been on her side the entire time. But the thing is that she never just admitted that she fucked a lot of dudes. If she had just come clean about that

one thing that like yes i fucked the pirate yeah on vacation if she had just said that and the cool uh you know don't be cool battle thing with the married guy on that other if she had just admitted to a few fucks on vacation water under the bridge yeah well actually her real mistake was at the end of last season when she got so mad at carol over this stupid thing with adam i mean like it was so dumb and her image had become so amazing of just like yeah i used to be the countess with the stick up my ass but now i'm like whatever i'm fucking guys i'm cool i'm great on vacation yeah you guys were freaking out and i'm like you know don't be cool don't be fun. I'm cool. I'm great on vacation. Yeah, you guys were freaking out. And I'm like, you know, don't be uncool.

Like, be cool. Don't be uncool. It was like defining moment. This is going to be the new Luann. It showed her as a hypocrite. It was just like, let Carol do whatever she wants to do. Exactly. It was very strange.

And then coming into the season, she just, she's been getting, you know, she's just like. But Carol now won't let it go. We're going to get to Real Housewives of New York in a minute. But what are your other questions for the hot seat thing? Because I'm like ready to tear in on Carol. I think those are really my only questions. Okay, that's fine. Are you watching everything right now?

We watch everything. Well, I'm an episode behind on Below Deck Med. I'm totally in. I'm in too. Ronnie does not like it. I love Kate Winslet as the head stew. Can you give a synopsis of what happened? Is it worth...

I mean, I'm going to watch it anyway, but did anything major happen this week on Below Deck Med? People fought, and it should still be called Maids on a Boat. The end. I mean, that's every episode, and I'm okay with it. I really enjoy it. I think it's really... I feel like as scripted reality shows go, I actually feel like it's not that scripted. In the beginning, I used to be like,

this show is so scripted because with the guests, I think that they tell the guests to do this and that. But truthfully, those people are on that boat 24 hours a day. I know, claustrophobia, cabin fever. Cameras are running the entire time. And you can tell when things are scripted, they are shot nicely. And this show, they are, like, peeking around corners, rainy footage. Oh, scrambling, yeah.

It is, yeah, yeah. I think Below Deck Met is perfectly good. I'm in. I'm still not watching any of the scripted shows on Bravo. I never will. Yeah. And I'm excited. I want Top Chef to come back

as soon as possible and I'm ready for New Jersey I'm a little scared about New Jersey I was really disappointed with the last season it was so bad

it was so with the twins new cast additions were terrible terrible but then also this when they

back in the fall when they did Teresa Checks In I thought that was so insufferable. I mean, admittedly, they didn't really have anything to work with. They just wanted to be like, hey, we still have this brand. Okay, so we're going to do three episodes.

Right, they were putting some CPR on New Jersey because the gap had been so long since we'd seen them. But you know, you know, one of my biggest pet peeves with New Jersey is when they give Teresa and Joe this heroic edit. Like, oh, here they are just trying to keep their family together I'm like no you actually defrauded lots of people and you're going to jail and this is the consequence

okay so I'm not going to feel bad for you like stop playing the slow music and the dramatic piano but Ben give me hair fangs she truly

she truly did not know what she was doing she is so dumb that she just signs paperwork I truly believe it was Joe and all of the

henchmen that were probably working with him. She does though need to pull her shit and get her life back on track and provide for these kids because didn't they have to sell off a lot of stuff left and right? I mean, they were supposed to, but the fact that the thing is they kept on hiding stuff, which is

why they got this jail term. I mean, to me it's... So she'll still be dripping in diamonds and driving a white Mercedes Jeep and living in that hideous mansion listen I I will have an open mind because you know what New Jersey season 3

was one of the best seasons of all the Housewives of all time of all time top 5 of all time so we know that this show can be amazing

it's just that right now it's in a rut but don't we need her fighting with her brother and Melissa which doesn't seem to be the case right now well that's just sort of

fighting with Jacqueline is not worth I don't even know I don't even know with Jacqueline is not worth a goddamn cent. I don't even know why Jacqueline... How she even comes back and why during last season, which was so bad, why they brought Jacqueline into the suscited.

Bravo was so concerned because there weren't enough recurring faces. Like, yes, she's coming back. People don't love Melissa Gorga. I think that they're fine with her being there. Without Caroline, you have to either have Caroline or Jacqueline, and Caroline has gone off, and is Caroline getting a third

season? Yeah, I think so. She is Manzo'd? Yeah, which is... Lame as shit. I think, you know, I think that Dina Manzo was a flop. I think they thought that she was going to be better than she was. She's a total flop. She's a dud. You know, I mean, here, hopefully Dolores, who we've seen before on this show, hopefully she will

be good. I mean, I know you're going to agree with me. Kathy Wakili. I miss Kathy and Rosie and the mom. Rosie, I'm sure, will be there. And the disgusting... I had a dream last night. About the mom? No, but I had a dream that I had a grandmother, an Italian grandmother, who showed me how to make pasta.

Isn't that amazing? Kathy's mom. I don't miss Rich, because Rich is disgusting. But anyway, I'm concerned, but I'm also excited. I haven't had Teresa on TV in a very long time. I did not like that little mini season of her returning from jail. But I'm looking forward to her monster children sitting in the salad case at a local grocery store like only Melania could do. If we can get some real fighting over some real good shit,

then I'm down with it. If we're going to get those twins having fights about culottes and whose husband slept with whose mother, it's not going to cut it for me. Right. I hear you. Open mind.

Open mind. Open hearts. Can't lose. Can't lose. So, yeah, New Jersey's coming back. There's a lot of good Bravo on the horizon. jersey's coming back there's there's a lot of good bravo on the horizon melbourne's coming back um but why don't we for now focus on new york city which to me is you know the creme de la creme creme de la creme okay i mean it is it almost has never been more creme de la creme i mean actually i lie of course it has been because season two and three are like

yeah have you forgotten Kelly Ben Simone already? I have. Someone actually said we should look at Kelly Ben Simone's Wikipedia page because she clearly wrote it herself and it's totally bonkers. But I don't, I just can't. I'm like, I can't do that. I just can't commit my brain to Kelly Ben Simone at this moment. Okay, so this season I think has been pretty, pretty strong. I just felt that this week's episode was a little weak. Maybe it's still the comedown from the Berkshires. I think, or maybe this show has just been losing too much blood lately because... Well, let me ask you this.

So how is it possible that Ramona is pulled together this season and not acting totally crazy? She seems to be the sanest of the bunch. She is, because Luann has taken on the crazy. And this is, I got off on a tangent about Luann. But, you know, Luann, starting with her showing up at Bethany's Halloween party and swinging around in a hula hoop, she's just been thirsty all season.

And especially this week. I mean, the thirst is real. she's getting more and more thirsty. And I'm like, this is against your brand, Luann. I don't know what's going on. I don't like this. I agree.

What you had just said a few minutes ago, Luann was the countess. She had a stick up her ass. She wrote the book. I have a signed copy in my house. Like that was a perfect for, for the first three seasons. That is perfect branding,

creating a character, creating a world and signing yourself up for multiple seasons. Brilliant. Right. More so than any of them. Yes. Well, her and Bethany being the single girl.

Right. Perfect. Then it comes to fruition that, well, her husband's cheating on her, her life falls apart, and then she starts screwing all these dudes. Yeah. Which I think is great. Do your thing. Have fun.

She's fabulous. Party girl Luann. Wear all of your chunky statement necklaces, smoke all of the cigarettes, and fuck all of the Johnny Depp Which I think is great. Do your thing. Have fun. She's fabulous. Party girl Luann. Wear all of your chunky statement necklaces. Smoke all of the cigarettes and fuck all of the Johnny Depp lookalikes you can. But own that. Yes.

Have fun with that and then be the girl who is like, look, I used to live up at the top of the turret with my prince and I had this life and it has fallen apart.

I'm okay with that. I'm picking myself back up and I'm going out and I'm being 50 plus, fabulous and having fun and looking great in a bikini and big sunglasses and living life. Yes.

But don't then try to extend your contract with Bravo by jumping into this quick relationship. And we've all had quick relationships and fallen in love fast and all this stuff. Yeah. I feel like she is doing it in order to secure another season or a potential spinoff with a wedding the way she was faking it with

Jacques during the season where she got downgraded to friend of. Don't fuck yourself over Luanne. This is like, it's almost your last chance. Well, I almost would agree with you except for having seen behind the music Countess Luanne

Which is on my DVR still. I haven't seen it. Well, what you will learn is that she met Jacques and was married to him two weeks later. And they were together for 15 years. So in the context of that, Jacques or her first husband? I'm not sorry, not Jacques. The Count.

Alex. So when you see that, it makes me be like... It's a pattern. She's impulsive. Father issues. Daddy issues. So even though it's a pattern she's impulsive father issues daddy issues so even though it's crazy that she's already thinking about marriage

the truth is that she's actually been down this path before so I give her a pass oddly enough because I like to give Luanna a pass I will actually always

give Luanna a pass but she she is she's talking about it too much it's fine if you jump into a relationship

it's fine if you were talking about a marriage proposal after three fine if you jump into a relationship it's fine if you were talking about a marriage proposal after three or four months but all of that is fine but don't talk about it non-stop she is um she's losing it basically she's losing it but it makes me but her losing it makes me wonder like is the relationship for real no it just makes for me it makes me think like what is happening to our precious Luann why doesn't she why is she not above this where are her waspy qualities that she worked so many years to acquire I'm going to tell you what I think truly is happening and you may think I'm

insane and people that are listening may think I'm insane I think that her feelings at the end of the day are truly hurt by the way bethany has been treating her for the past year and a half and yes a lot of it is jealousy and i think that she is jealous that bethany gelled very quickly with carol which is who luann had this tiff with and even if luann is truly over the whole adam and carol thing i think bethany siding with carol going on vacations with carol off camera And becoming tight with her. And then also being rude to Luann's face. And calling her a whore and a slut and all that.

I think it is truly taking a toll on Luann's heart. And it is making her act out and be fucking crazy. And it makes me feel sad for her. I think it's... You're so on point. You are 100% correct. I think whether she's upset that Bethany took Carol's side or whether she's bet

I think it's mainly that Carol and Bethany gelled I think Luann sees herself as a Carol type I think she feels rejected from Carol she feels rejected from Bethany and she feels like she was with Bethany from years ago and she was actually the one who brought her who quote unquote brought her back into the fold remember they had those scenes last season and she almost she was actually one who brought her yes quote-unquote brought her back into the fold remember they had those scenes last season um and she probably feels left behind and

she's like the quote-unquote cool one and and now she she feels left out of this this mix and i think that she is nervous she's not herself her mouth was quivering when they were at that dinner table and she had on that joker red lipstick her mouth was quivering and I was like, she is having a breakdown. Yeah. But also, don't underestimate the power of spending a few weeks

in Sonia's townhouse. That can really fuck you up. That can send you off the rails. I mean, that's not Grey Gardens, that's Black Garden. I mean, that is just like

a veil of sin and dust. It's where, it's where like, it's like, that's where like up there in that like strained fifth floor with no heating and a tube TV. That's what it was. So who knows

what fumes that Luanne inhaled. She probably like went into an attic and like found like a creepy jack in the box and you know Sonia popped out of it naked or something. I don't know. I feel like Luanne's strongest moments this season have been when she sort of drops this

facade of trying to like hang out and be cool and be like chatty and she just gets totally indignant and she is like well I don't give a fuck about Carol.

That's the best because she's being real. She's like you know what fuck these girls and every time she does it she's like fuck it and Sonia also for Sonia when she this

season when they're like you have to apologize to Bethany you have to apologize to Bethany and Sonia's like why should I apologize to Bethany you have to apologize to Bethany and Bethany's like why should I apologize she doesn't want to

speak to me she ran out of here I'm not going to speak you know she called that don't force me to go apologize to her if she clearly doesn't

want to talk to me the end yeah exactly so I really like when they are sort of themselves I'm like you know fuck these

fuck these girls who have to kiss their asses that's when I get happiest but you know I think Luann especially after that crazy conversation she had with bethany when bethany started to bleed and by the way this this the worst like entire like series of episodes this season have been the bleeding era like you know picasso has a blue era we have like the red

era right here with bethany and a fucking home goods like i can never go into home goods ever again thanks bethany yeah it's like the ongoing saga of the bleeding vaginas and jules is whatever's going on with her it's too much i know so that being said why don't we we actually why don't we actually jump into this episode okay so um it opens up with Bethany walking into her office, into her Skinny Girl office. And as usual, Bethany is just like on level 12. You know, it's like, what's the matter? What's going on? What's happening? Why are you so beautiful?

Do you plus that now? Like, what's going on? I don't understand it. Like, I can't even imagine having to work in that office. I mean, if the price were right, I would do it. And here's the thing. Again, I have been a fan of hers from the get-go.

I like her products. I like everything about her. I root for her versus Jason Hoppy. I am just a little upset, again, with the way she's been treating Luanne. So now, I'm just going to let all of you know, as we do this episode, I'm going to be throwing

a little more shade at Bethany than I normally would just because I think she's being an asshole. And she didn't give you free tickets to her talk show. Hi! Because her stupid production assistant screwed us over. I asked for three for you, me, and Ronnie. That's right.

I will never forget it. Never. So Bethany is launching Skinny Girl Chocolate. Have you had Skinny Girl Chocolate? No, I don't like chocolate. Really? Uh-uh. Don't like chocolate?

Did I not know? I probably knew this, but I probably blocked it out. I love her sea salt lime popcorn. I'm not going to lie. I know that microwave popcorn probably is giving me cancer, but it is delicious. Really? Okay. So once again, Bethany is talking about the bleeding, whatever, and she's going to have some girls over.

She says, Ramona has been exceptionally wonderful to her. And this is exemplified by a flashback of Ramona coming in with a book you know what i know that sometimes you feel alone so since you feel alone i brought a book and i'm just gonna read in the other room this week you're not alone i thought that was so sweet i thought so too i all i want is somebody to like sit in another room far away from me reading you know what it is actually a wonderful thing when actually when ramona did that i was like you know there is a really maternal wonderful side ofona, which is why I think we've always stuck with her all these years because there is, as Dorinda would say, there's a sweetness about her. You can also see that her daughter is not fucked up. Avery is a good, smart girl who will go on and do things.

Like, Ramona, for all of her crazy bullshit, was probably a tough love mom, and Avery is a product of that well you know i always say and maybe this is just me being very snobby as usual but i always say look at the kids from real housewives of new york city or new york look at what the kids are doing with their lives and look at what the kids from oc are doing if we want to go back to what we're just talking about i mean that like it says everything you know i mean it may also say something about money money yeah. Jill Zarin can pay for whatever. That's the hill. I mean, admittedly, Victoria did have a situation where she had some sort of Nazi moments, right? I believe so. And she had her friend who passed out in the bushes in the Hamptons. But overall, pretty good.

Overall, yeah. I'd say passing marks. overall overall yeah it's a passing marks um so in addition to ramona um bethany said that dorinda has been by her side as well and that they're all texting on a daily basis yes which is so shocking to me because i don't see bethany as a girl's girl especially we know bethany has true friends off of this show that have been mingled through various events through her life but it does seem that she is trying to connect more with Dorinda and Ramona truthfully in real life during this vagina situation. Yeah, exactly. And I believe that Dorinda is very nurturing

and I believe Ramona is too. And I feel like those are two good women to fall back on when your vagina is hemorrhaging. Yes. Oh, when in doubt, Dorinda, even if she has 17, you know, martinis in her system, I trust her to fix it. Yeah. Oh, when in doubt, Dorinda, even if she has 17, you know, martinis in her system, I trust her to fix it.

Yeah. Oh, 100%. She's a fixer. She would. She'll come, she'll give you the chicken soup and then she'll yell at the delivery guy

for being late. Exactly. Which is all I want. So in case you weren't totally sure that Bethany was hemorrhaging, she then put on a big red bob.

Was it a wig? It was a wig. It was a wig that was then styled to be very sort of like severe Posh Spice. It was like, if Posh Spice were starring in the next Resident Evil. Yeah, it was like Mila Jovovich meets Pink meets Please Stop.

It was just not a cute look. Also, it wasn't skinny girl red. It was like a magenta mess. I also felt like, if we're really going to just get into it, I felt like it didn't make sense with the launch of Candy. I figured with Candy you want to do something a little more silly. And Katy Perry. And it was...

It was too severe. It was very severe. I don't know what it was. I don't know what pop star it was, but it was not Katy Perry. It needed to be some ridiculous... I 100% agree with you. You know, like light blue something or other.

It was curls. More confection. More confection. Less anime. Destruction. Yeah, less action. Less ass-kicking, like, street fighter character. Yes.

So then we go over to Ramona and Sonya at a dance class. They're learning to dance. I have to say, Sonya had some moves. Sonya knows how to shimmy. Because I think that she... Little mashed potato. She always has been a late-night party girl, even into her 50s. And she knows what to do.

Ramona is still trying to find her groove after Mario's been gone. And we did see her best at you know turtle time years ago but like girl can't dance and um and a black patent pump yeah and i also feel like after a certain age and maybe this is me being ageist or sexist who knows after a certain age i don't think you should be too concerned with trying to learn some dance moves for a night at boutique you know i think it's just... Right, of all places. Like, you know, just do what you've been doing.

Like, don't try to bust out of a special. Right, do you have a pulse? Those guys will fuck you. It's fine. Yeah, don't do this. I mean, when Ramona's up there and she's like, I want more hip moves, okay?

I want something hip and cool. I'm like, it won't work. The ship has sailed. Right. The ship has sailed and sunk. Yeah, and sunk. Sorry, Ramona. Sonia still has it. Right. The ship has sailed and sunk. Yeah, and sunk. Sorry, Ramona. Sonia still has it.

Ramona does not. In that department. And I love when Ramona's like, I guess you call this dancing hip-hop or new wave. I mean, don't ask me. I'm like... She was just naming musical genres. I'm like, you know, there's a vast difference between hip-hop and new wave. Right.

But she doesn't know that. It's okay. I guess it's the Charleston. Yeah. Or crumping. I don't know. By the way, she should be on

Dancing with the Stars. Oh, a hundred percent. Why have they... Has anyone from New York been on Dancing with the Stars? Bethany? No, she's on Skating with the Stars. Skating with the Stars.

Don't get it twisted. That was on Fox. Yeah. Was... Nini has been on. Vanderpump has been on. Is it Kim Zolciak? Kim Zolciak was on.

Kim Zolciak, but she got injured, I believe. Yeah, they need to have... From Wondery, this is Black History For Real. I'm Francesca Ramsey. And I'm Conscious Lee. What do most people think about

when they hear the words Black History? Rosa Parks. Reconstruction. MLK. February Black History Month. Exactly, exactly. There are so many stories of black history that we just are not really talking about or thinking about, especially outside of February. And we are about to flip the script on all of that. Because on this show, you're going to hear a little less.

In August 1492, Columbus sailed the ocean blue. And a little bit more. She is a heroine to some. As a fighter for black rights, she is a villain to others. Follow Black History for Real on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. Listen everywhere on February 5th, or you can listen early and ad-free on Wondery Plus starting January 29th. Join Wondery Plus on the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.

January 29th. Join Wondery Plus on the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. take hold and her small-town values break in hopes of becoming the first scholarship student to make The List, Bishop Gray's all-coveted academic top 10, curated by the headmaster himself. But after realizing she has no chance at The List on her own, she reluctantly accepts an invitation to a secret underground society that pulls the strings on campus life and academic success. If she bends to their will, she'll have everything she's ever dreamed of. But at what cost? Academy takes you into the world of a cutthroat private school where power, money, and sex

collide in a game of life and death. Follow Academy on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can binge all episodes of Academy early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus. They should, they definitely should. Sonia Morgan belongs on that show.

Sonia for sure. Yeah, or actually Countess Luan. I would love that. You know, I have to say, I mentioned this in the podcast, one thing that made me happy was that Countess Luan did get that special. To me it was Bravo saying, no, we are still behind Luan and she's not going anywhere. She makes for great TV and she is not in jeopardy. Because of that special, she is not in jeopardy. Carol, on was Bravo saying, no, we are still behind Luann and she's not going anywhere. She makes for great TV and she is not in jeopardy.

Because of that special, she is not in jeopardy. Carol, on the other hand, and we will get there as we go through this episode. I think that Carol has the potential with her boring fucking storyline and her dog named Baby because she has nothing else going on in her life. Carol is in jeopardy of becoming friend of to Bethany next season, whereas I don't think that Luol is in jeopardy of becoming friend of to bethany yeah next season whereas i don't think that luann is in jeopardy are you saying you're not fascinated by the development process of the reluctant vegan it is so boring adam doesn't like the direction of carol writing the opening and you know if they're happy fine I just I truthfully think that there is

too big of an age difference there I would never do that if it works for them for now fine but the reality is one day she'll wake up

and be an 85 year old bag of bones she already is and he'll still be young and hot and that's just weird I I don't mind

the age difference I mind it's extreme well I don't I don't mind it because if it was the other way around, people wouldn't be... That happens all the time, and I think it's gross too. But for me, it's more just like...

Carol is a... I do think she's a very smart woman. She's an accomplished author. And he is nice. He's easy on the eyes. But like... What does he bring to the table besides... A radish scale. That's what he brings. He has great radish scale a radish scale that's what he brings like we'll make

this three radish set up he has great hair and a radish scale yeah exactly Nicaraguan honey so so

so at this dance thing the only significance in this scene was that Ramona tells Sonia she basically tells Sonia

like don't worry you're still on the show she's like it's funny everyone's fine with you now it's with Luann that we all have problems with which is her way of being like okay don't worry you're still on the show she's like it's funny everyone's fine with you now it's with Luann that we all have problems with which is her way of being like

okay don't worry you're in the fold right don't worry Bethany has a bigger fish to fry right now exactly like take a number

yeah I also like when they did start talking about Luann and they're talking about Luann dating well Ramona's starting to get on this thing

about how Luann's always talking about her dating and this and that and it's crazy that she's getting married to this guy or whatever. And I love that Sonia's reaction was, well, you know, Luann's been dating forever. I mean, she's been banging away for ages. Well, at least, I mean, it's true.

And Ramona then accuses Luann of being self-absorbed. I'm like, they all are. It's fine does she not remember the season premiere when she sat there with Carol and spent the entire lunch talking about all the guys she's dating yeah exactly Ramona's just angry because she can't get her thing out

like get her words out so now we have this party at Dylan's Candy Bar is that right what's it called yeah it's the one that's at the Grove. Totally boring, totally basic. Like, I'll take a Coke bottle,

gummy, and leave. I like that there was actually one of the bartenders there did not want to have his face shown. So how did that happen that the hot one was clearly visible

and maybe the not hot one was blurred? He was just like, I don't want to be a... He's like, I don't want someone to know that... I didn't sign up for this shit. I'm a failed actor

and I'm not in Spider-Man Turn Off the Dark. I'm working at Dylan's Candy Bar. I think that's what that was all about. So then we get a scene with Jules and her plastic surgeon. Who, by the way, I could not understand one word he said. He's Botoxed and Juvedermed to all hell i'm assuming that he was gay and he was very lecherous and bizarre and i never need to see him again yeah there was definitely a speech impediment going on like something brutal but is it because he's had so

much plastic surgery me honestly i don't know all i know it was just strange and they're sitting there chatting about her vagina she's laughing about she's disgusting it was this whole this storyline to me should not like we don't need to see this like we don't need to know that there's a baseball on her vagina right i also don't want her to say i hope it gets back to its former state as a pistachio now i can the cute pistachio now i can never eat a pistachio again thanks jules you bitch you're a monster yeah i agree it's just it's especially for gay men i don't like we really don't like vaginas no and i don't and i don't want to know anything about hers and take off the nameplate necklace i'm sick of that shit well i love when he actually does open up her legs and looks inside and goes jules

it's so much better as I feel like talking about like the latest season of The Hills I have to give it another shot I know Kristen Cavallari is back it's amazing so speaking of medical intrigue then Bethany um Bethany is now lumbering into a into her vehicle with Carol and she's going to a woman named dr erica schwartz to get a second opinion um and she's like yeah no it's crazy um my friend said there's this doctor it'll be hard to see and like uh but then i sent her over my video everything and she called me up right away and said you have to come in i'm like well yeah she calls you because you're on tv and you're a celebrity she wants to be on camera and she wants to pimp her business yeah and carol i thought was

right when she was like uh you shouldn't be doctor shopping because they're just going to tell you what you want to hear. And that's exactly what this woman did. That is exactly right. Option one, hysterectomy. Option two, surgery to remove the fibroids. Option three, foam. Foam.

Foam sealant. Just seal it up with some foam. But again, the woman suggested that bethany not have the surgery that by the way was scheduled for like the next morning i'm sorry if i were to cancel my arm surgery the day before at cedar sinai they would still hit me with a ninety thousand dollar bill exactly yeah i thought that was you know i don't even know that it was on the books and by the way if i am bleeding massively surgery is scary but i'm also like if i'm bleeding massively like do what you gotta do, do what you got to do.

Do what you got to do. Get in there. Is she going to have another child? I don't think, and I'm not going to be sitting on this podcast talking about women's reproductive and issues down there. Yeah. I'm assuming that a hysterectomy is a very serious surgery. Not only is it tough on you physically, it is probably very emotionally draining.

But let's also just say what we got to say here Bethany's not having any more children yeah so I don't know like I wanted her to just say something or admit like I have my daughter I love Brynn she's amazing like I'm not concerned about having more children because clearly she's not yeah I think it's an emotional thing that you have to like it's

like right do I want to have a surgery to have my nutsack chopped off no yeah well it's like i don't know if you watch real housewives of cheshire but season one there was this ongoing annoying story this woman dawn who had four kids already and there there was a chance she was gonna have to have a hysterectomy and she was just inconsolable didn't want it which what if she wants to have another kid what if she wants to have another kid? What if she wants to have another kid? It's like, you already have four, but like, even though that seems logical to us,

I think that if you have not made peace with it, it's like very difficult to suddenly be told you can no longer have this anymore. Truth. But that being said,

I mean, I'm, I'm a little shocked that she, she opted not to have surgery, but so she took a pill instead. And we'll wait and see. Yeah, I don't know. I would would be i would definitely be very nervous i would i'd want to get it all sutured up and i

also love that she's saying like well i'll be just you know at commission first i'm like i don't think you're out of commission for six weeks bethany will never be out of commission for six that's what i'm getting at she can't get off commission for six fucking minutes yeah that's a that's a lot of books that ramona's gonna be reading thank you harry potter oh my gosh she's gonna start the harry potter series she's reading uh books on how to dance so um so then after this meeting so then bethany is over at her apartment and she's making a fire in her fireplace she's like i'm obsessed'm obsessed with this. I'm obsessed with fireplaces. It's amazing. This is like amazing.

I never thought I'd have to use this. Whatever. I'm like, it's a fireplace. Relax. Yeah. We know you have probably two of them at your house in the Hamptons. I'm a homeless.

I'm homeless right now, but I've got fireplaces. So the ladies come over, the new clique of Ramona, Carol, and Dorinda. They come over and they start talking. I have a note here that just says, Ramona loves Carol, and Dorinda. They come over and they start talking. I have a note here that just says, Ramona loves a diaphragm. I was horrified to hear that she lived that many years

with a diaphragm inside of her. It just seems so archaic. And ladies that are listening right now that have a diaphragm in, take it out. Release the crack in and don't have that. I'm not a fan of artificial things in my body keep it farm to table au natural i just can't imagine what i mean i i can't i don't know i mean an iud is also you know it's a it's a foreign object so i didn't know what an iud was and i

looked it up last night after i watched the episode and i was like is this a good thing to have i mean i don't know. It's. It all. Just seems a bit. It's like a ring. I think that goes in there. My favorite part is when we talk about.

Women's reproductive things. That watch our crap. Right. And I want to say like. 90% of the audience. Are females. And they're probably. All just smashing their heads.

Against their steering wheels. Right now. As they're driving to like. Pilates. I know. For anyone. Who wants. For anyone out there.

Who doesn't know what an IUD is go to Wikipedia I looked it up it's severe but anyway yes Ramona Ramona had she had a diaphragm

she had a diaphragm she loved it she loved a diaphragm yeah and she wears a brassiere I love that Ramona still lives in the swinging 70s

I mean she was never swinging in the 70s but she just loves a 70s reference oh she certainly does in a dance move yeah she's gonna she'd get my brassiere and my diaphragm and a pocketbook and the hustle yeah okay it's perfect

yeah god bless ramona i love that and i love she's like unapologetic about it she's like yeah i was wonderful no no one ever had to wait to have sex with me um so after they're talking about you know know, what's up, uh, Ramona's vagina, vaginas and bleeding and vaginas and stuff. Um, they then get onto Luann again. Can't drop it. Yes. Can't drop it. And so now Carol's doing the same thing.

Being like, well, it was a nice apology, but like, you know, she hasn't reached out to me, you know, which means I don't think it's sincere. I'm like, well, but you weren't. Receptive. A, you weren't receptive and maybe she's giving you some space. She doesn't want to seem too thirsty. Exactly.

You know, maybe she, or maybe she's also got other things to do. Yeah. You know. Like her new man. Yeah, exactly. So. But Bethany digs in again. Bethany digs in.

I did appreciate that Dorinda told us in the interview that there should be no more addendums or amendments to an apology. An apology is an apology. And I agree. I agree. I agree too. Because Dorinda is the sane one. She and Ramona this season. Dorinda is largely sane.

She can flip a switch. Well, yeah. I mean, I think. But do you notice that the switch typically gets flipped when John is present and martinis are present? That's right. Yeah. Otherwise, she is a normal woman. Yeah, I...

John has suddenly become... He's disappeared. I need more of him in the show, though. I know. There was like this climax about five weeks ago. Yeah. Where...

But when you had the fight at Madame Poulet, whatever, Paulette, with Ray, who needs to be back on the show and John kicking Ray and Ramona out of the party and this was this wonderful climax of John and then

nothing. He's stewing in the back of a dry cleaning situation right now ready to come out. I mean we're not done with this storyline clearly it's just too juicy. Everything is juicy. So they're talking about Luann etc um and i said oh they had a flashback to a few episodes ago when the way i was having the conversation with bethany when

bethany was like are you in crystal meth yeah and uh i feel like i almost didn't appreciate how hilarious that conversation was until i saw in flashback form i know again i'm rooting for luann but it she was she was off her rocker that night she was off her rocker and was that one the in the white pants the white jacket yes that just takes it to another level for me too it was like a sharp shoulder pad it was just off the rocker joker lipstick madness and way too much discussion about tommy toon yeah too much peppered into this whole conversation it It was absolutely bonkers. So, Ramona, again,

is saying she doesn't understand Luann's attitude. She's like, well, she's always saying, I'm happy, I'm in this, I'm in this, I'm happy, I'm getting married. It's like, it's too much, Luann.

I'm like, Ramona, you did the exact same thing for an entire season. The exact same thing. Yeah. She's just jealous that she can't, she doesn't get to talk about her dating exploits that Luanne has...

But I don't even know that she has dating exploits to talk about. I don't think she... I actually have not thought she... I don't think that she's had any. And that she's been talking up a big game all this time. I agree. I agree. I think that she still misses Mario.

Yeah. Also, Ramona has big nipples. Disgusting. Yes. We learned that. That's why she wears a brassiere. Because she doesn't want people to see her big nipples. Disgusting. Yes, we learned that. That's why she wears a brassiere. Because she doesn't want people to see her big nipples.

You know, I appreciate a large areola on a man, but I don't know about a woman. Why did I just say that? Are we recording? Yes, we are. I appreciate large areolas. Snapchat me, folks.

Snapchat me, listeners. I appreciate large areolas on everyone. Oh, just across the board. Yeah, you know, I've always enjoyed a big areola on a woman. If I've seen boobs i would i like a big areola okay yeah i'm like i like a man with big nipples i do you know just like victor on this season of big brother we'll get there

later he has very large nipples i like him yeah but i hate him i don't mind a small nipple i don't care at all but i think a big nipple i think the big nipple is pretty sexy. Yeah, it's just like a statement necklace. Like a Luann turquoise statement necklace. It's like a chunky accessory. Yes! I love a big brooch. A lady brooch. A natural lady brooch. A natural lady brooch. Disgusting.

So speaking of Luann, she finally makes her first appearance in the episode. She's sick. Her voice is deeper and raspier than ever. I'm actually concerned about her. Her voice has gotten really hoarse in general. Well, because she probably

smokes a carton of menthols on a daily. Yeah. That's a problem. She's losing her voice. Her smoking habit is bad. Her voice has gone from deep to raspy,

and it's not going to be good in 10 years. Is her singing career in jeopardy? I'm concerned. I am too. I'm concerned. I mean, listen, it worked for Eartha Kutt.

So Luanne could find another chapter in this career. So Luanne meets up with Dorinda at breakfast. And the very first thing Dorinda does is she gets revenge on Ramona. Because she's been angry at Ramona all season. And she should be. So she rats out Ramona. You know, because she's been angry at Ramona all season. Right. And she should be. So she rats out Ramona immediately and is like, well, you know, Ramona's been saying that you're very self-involved.

And of course, Luann loses it. She is furious. I think that she was hoping that, again, with her relationship falling apart with Bethany and Sonia being on the sidelines this entire season i think that at that point the countess was looking to ramona another og cast member to at least not be a bitch to her and her hearing this from uh dorinda made her lose her

fucking mind she's like another one of these girls is going to be awful to me? Right. Here we go again. Exactly. And I think she was upset also that Ramona basically repeated this conversation about the olive branch

or whatever to Carol and everything and just made Luann indignant. And I think that Luann is right. I mean, I think I would be very pissed if I were Luann. Me too.

You know, and I'd be sick of like having to like jump through hoops or actually physically do the hoop for carol at a barbecue it's it's excessive i mean luann was wrong she knows she was wrong she's apologized varying levels of sincerity and um and it's enough enough's enough like also as fans and viewers of

the show i don't need to hear about her being mad that adam left the job to go fuck carol or that they're in a relationship and they can't have a kid so they bought a dog named baby because they can't have one like i don't i'm done yeah i am done absolutely absolutely so then we go to um a restaurant called what was it called it was it was, it was basically Lady Gaga's restaurant in New York City. Something Trattoria, Julia Trattoria or something like that. I think it was Julia. Karen Trattoria.

I don't know what it's called, but it's basically Lady Gaga's parents. I looked it up because I thought it was Louise's Trattoria. I was like, they went to a Louise's Trattoria? They went to a chain restaurant. I was like, I can't believe they went to a Louise's Trattoria.

Then I realized it was different. It's Gaga's family's pizza pasta place in New York with the back patio. And Art Smith is also involved. Art Smith, formerly of the... Oprah. And Top Chef. But was he also in the White House as a chef for a while? He did some White House something or other.

Okay. And so I was very confused during my Wikipedia search because I was like, Lady Gaga's parents founded Louise Chatoria? I was like so confused. And then I got it all fixed. Situated. Okay. So this is...

The big... Whose party was this? This is a Dorinda dinner party. She just is having a dinner party just because. Right. And it was like, I just want everyone to be there. It was at a pizza joint, but I'm in a sparkly black ball gown. Yes.

I just want everyone to be there, be adults, whatever, yada, yada, yada. So... This woman cannot throw a party without fucking pandemonium breaking loose. That is absolutely correct. In fact, it makes me want her to have parties every single week. Every single week because her parties are the biggest disasters ever. So Jules is there first and she's prattling on about her vagina again. And this is when we learned when, you know,

she's saying how she can have sex again. And we're just like, Oh, if it were me, I would just be like, Oh, I can't have sex for three more weeks. And that's when Jules says,

well, there are other holes, so I can't get out of it. I thought they do anal. They do anal. And it was also when I was like, Oh, this is when their real marriage is falling apart. He's clearly cheating on her.

Uh-huh. Exactly. Yes. Now real marriage is falling apart. Yeah. And he's clearly cheating on her. Uh-huh. Exactly. Yes. Now I get it. Yep. Yep. No. I just don't have sympathy right now.

I know that I should. And yes, she has a broken vagina and a husband who's cheating on her. But she's just so annoying. She just hasn't done. I don't know how she became a housewife. I mean, look. I don't love, again, Heather. But at least Heather brought something to the table.

Jules brings nothing to the table except, I'm Asian. Yeah, and Jewish. And Jewish. Let me tell you why. Well, you know how they cast these shows, right? They whittle it down to a pool of a certain number of people.

I mean, I've heard rumors that it was like Beverly Hills. It was like 200 women that they started following around. But they follow different women around and they get footage on them and then they decide, okay, who can we make

a house of? And I just can't believe that the producers were following Jules around and they were looking at the footage and said, you know what? There's a spark there.

Yeah. The only spark that is there for me is how horrible of a mother and parent she is. That's the only takeaway here. Bribing her kids with Twizzlers and red vines. Monster children.

And then being disgusting to the nanny. Disgusting. Yeah. I think, for me, I think the silver lining is that she does Monster children. And then being disgusting to the nanny. Disgusting. Yeah. For me, I think the silver lining is that she does more or less seem nice. And I think that probably with a cast like this, they probably wanted to cast someone who is nice. Well, that was Kristen.

Because they're all sharks. We saw how that panned out. Boring. I liked Kristen. Boring and her gross Ashley Madison husband. Well, I was looking forward to seeing that unravel. But I think Kristen's first season she was very good we talked about this before

with Ronnie and I Kristen's first season she was good she got into it with Ramona a lot but last season there just was no room for her

exactly the personalities were too big she just could not get into the mix and Bethany just cut her out that was actually

the real problem Bethany decided she was done pretty too pretty get off the show so what else then happens who else arrives to this dinner party Carol shows was actually the real problem. Bethan decided she was done. Yeah. You're too pretty. Get off the show. Get off the show. Okay, so what else then happens?

Who else arrives to this dinner party? Carol shows Luanne is sitting there. Carol comes in with her big bell sleeves the fucking flying nuns swooping in.

She does her best to ignore Luanne. I mean, she says hi to everyone. She looks around. She's just pretending Luanne's a bunch of flowers. And then Luanne turns to her

and goes, what are you not going to say? I don't bike. It's okay, Carol. You can sit next to me. It's okay pretending Luann's a bunch of flowers. And then Luann turns to her and goes, what are you not going to say? I don't bike. It's okay, Carol. I don't bike. So Carol's stuck sitting next to her. Then Bethany walks in. Bethany looked,

she was dressed like an intersection. It was like black with these white lines. It was kind of like Star Trek, Tron. And she's like, where am I supposed to sit? And it's like, if you're wearing an outfit like that and you have the personality, you have clearly, bitch, you want to sit? And it's like, if you're wearing an outfit like that and you have the personality

that you have, clearly, bitch, you want to sit at the head of the table. So just park yourself there. Well, again, it's a typical Bethany entrance. They're like, oh, hi, how's everyone doing?

I was dropping off, it's probably a Sunday afternoon. I was dropping Brynn at school because that's always your excuse. I'm sorry I'm busy being a good mom because I'm going through a crazy divorce. We know you're always going to be late and we always know

that you want to be the first to leave. We get it, girl. Sit down next to Carol and just talk to her. Ugh, I'm going through a crazy divorce. We know you're always going to be late and we always know that you want to be the first to leave. We get it, girl. Sit down next to Carol and just talk to her. Ugh! I'm so mad. I can see. You're fuming. I just think it's always funny how Bethany walks in and has a million questions right away. She's like, what's going on? Okay, where am I sitting? What's going on? Are these the chairs? Are these the other chairs?

Are we eating something? You guys are already eating. What's going on? It's like, just sit down. I know. Take a Xanax. Take a Xanax. So Luan, so this is a prime example of Luan really not winning the battles here. So she, you know, Luan has this cold still. And she asked Bethany, like, how are you feeling? And Bethany's like, well, honestly, not great. And Luan's like, you know what?

I have to tell you, I'm not feeling great either. I really, I don't feel well I do not feel I'm like Luanne you can't do this I know she's bleeding out of her vagina you have a cold

she's plotting surgery and you need some Sudafed yeah this is and it's like that is the sort of bullshit that Bethany hates and will latch onto and ride until the end

and that's what she's gonna use to try to take you off the show it's like Luanne you to be smarter about this. Exactly. You're fighting a worthy opponent. You got to fucking play the game, right girl. Like,

yeah, get the right weaponry and be prepared. You can't be lazy with Bethany as your opponent. I mean, it was one thing in the Berkshires when, um, when Jules's dad was dying in the hospital and I'm sorry, was he though?

I'm not buying it. I'm not sure. Not buying it. But like, it was one thing to brush that under the rug, to talk about your issues with Bethany. But to do it a second time. And to Bethany of all people. Yeah.

You've got a head cold and Bethany has like, is on the verge of serious operation. So Bethany's not going to let that go. And is that, at that point, did Ramona show up and then? No, at this point, Luanne starts rambling to Carol, of all people, about her man. And this was a surprising thing for me because Carol... Said, I'm happy for you, right? Yeah, Carol was actually engaging her in a normal way.

Even though Carol probably hated being there, they were having a normal conversation. And that to me, I felt like that was a turning point that will soon be probably destroyed because of bethany yeah well bethany's gonna tell carol shut that down yeah absolutely don't be nice to her so she is a mean girl from high school and cannot not be that girl yeah bethany looked like she was miserable having a conversation with luann and luann again was just talking about herself extensively now does ramona come in at this point or is sonia and she says she drops a bomb sonia comes in well first well it's sort of like a the sequence doesn't really matter because sonia comes in and then bethany is like i want

to turn the page but she doesn't actually do anything to turn no she does nothing to solve and then ramona comes in and she has this very confusing entrance where she comes in and she's like oh, I could hear you guys all the way out there. I could hear you guys all the way out there. And then she almost sounded upset about it. She's like, it's just, you know, like, I could hear you guys all, like, I don't know. Should I be here? Should I leave? I don't get it. Like, it's like, I don't

understand why Ramona was so upset. Well, as Bethany said, Ramona likes to have an entrance and she wants people to recognize her outfit and her hair and her nails and say that you're glamorous and fabulous and ask questions about her. And no one was giving a shit because they were going in deep on Luann. Yeah. So she started to have a conniption fit, which then segued into Luann confronting Ramona. Exactly.

Snapping that neck around and saying, hey, so I've heard through the grapevine, a.k.a. through Dorinda, that you're talking shit about me and I don't appreciate it. Yeah. And Ramona's like grapevine, a.k.a. through Dorinda, that you're talking shit about me and I don't appreciate it. Yeah. And Rowan was like, no, no. What I said was that I'd heard some things that you were, you know, you were being self-involved. I wasn't saying that you were being self-involved. I was just saying that I'd heard things. And Luann, you know, these two have tangled so many times over the years. This is where, though, Luann's Joker lipstick starts to quiver and it was just like oh she's losing it

yeah luanne was unhappy luanne was talking about you're saying nasty things whatever at this point ramona has become a pro at diffusing these situations because she's been in them so many times she says you know okay it was wrong of me i'm sorry later you know and she knows how to just shut it down she's been doing it all this season she's been doing it and she's been teaching people how to do it and there's no way to combat it all this season. She's been doing it. She's been teaching people how to do it. And there's no way to combat it. Yeah. When she's done and like swipes her hands like, what can you do?

Yeah. She'll leave. She will be like, I'm sorry, I have a date. I have to leave. Exactly. So I guess they reached some sort of uneasy. It's still awkward between them. But is that at this point isn't they're still talking and Luann is digging this grave and

just being so bizarre about she's falling in love and oh he's shopping for a ring and all this and then we get to the whole thing and i believe it's bethany who just is like i can't let it go it's completely bizarre that all of you date the same men and yes you know then they did the flashbacks to harry dubin yes had sex with luann sonia aviva and obviously they're talking about luann's you know now fiance who has clearly at least gone on a few dates with ramona i don't think that they ever you know sealed the deal there no he's engaged to luann they're banging it out constantly in west palm right and he obviously has a past with sonia who's sonia then just decides to in my opinion i I thought it was kind of funny

Luann took a lot of offense to this you know, Sonia said, yeah we're friends with benefits and we have been for a very long time, and at that point I wanted Luann to just say not a problem, we all have past, all these women have past

you and I have, everyone in this world has past relationship history and drama fine but Luann I think had had a few too many drinks and was so upset

again at Bethany at Carol and at Ramona no not Carol Carol's the one person she was not upset at you're right and she turned to her

and said thank you for being nice to me tonight but she lost her mind and then went in on but it was not a real relationship it was not a real relationship

and it just made me think that in addition to being thirsty she's insecure in this new relationship and i just wanted her to say look ramona maybe went on a few dates with him sonia maybe went on a lot of dates with him and maybe they've had a sexual past yeah the point is this he's in love with me i'm in love with him and we're planning to get married and we see a future together the end but she went off the fucking rails yeah this was another place where luann lost because she for she says first of all you know what i don't care anything that happened before me i don't care but she obviously cares and then you know sonia thought was very upfront and she wasn't saying anything in a territorial way she was just sort of like saying like we have to acknowledge this in a public way that we've been fucking on and off for the past 10 years i just want everyone to know and um and luanne her response was like well it's patently

ridiculous they've never had any relationship i mean maybe they've fucked but they've never had a relationship i'm like well that's what she was saying that they've been fucking right that's exactly what sonia said yeah it's just again, I'm rooting for Luann in this situation. She made herself look bad again. But at the end of the day, I don't think Bethany should be concerned or think it's bizarre that these women have all dated the same man. Look, in New York City, that shit is going to happen. stones when her relationship to her husband jason hoppy who she was a fucking mean ass monster to on multiple seasons of her own spinoff yeah is judging anybody else's relationship you treated your husband like a dog he left you and you pissed in a bucket on tv and you're judging anybody shut

the fuck up bethany you know where have i been oh i'm so mad you know what luann was absolutely right when she said you know what you guys You guys are supposed to be my friends. And everyone else is happy for me except for you guys. And you guys are just bitches. I'm going home. I was like, you know what? Luann, you have lost every single argument tonight. But I support you here.

You should storm off. Because they are not being supportive. Yes, you do have a weird relationship. And I don't quite understand it. And you talk in a very strange way about it, and you're very insecure about it. But the least these people can do is be supportive to you, at least to your face. Exactly. But Luanne is sadly a little bit off her rocker.

She needs to go into self-preservation mode ASAP. She needs to reel back the reel in talking about the relationship too much. She probably, in my opinion, should apologize to Sonia for jumping down her throat and just say, look, we've all had a past. It's fine.

I'm with this dude. Either support me or don't support me. Luann though, has classically always been terrible at, um, at taking notes. Yeah. Like she does not take a note. She, she is confronted with things at taking notes. She does not take a note. She is confronted

with things at reunions and she does not she is often in denial. For years on end she'll be in denial. I'm very worried about her having an emotional breakdown on the reunion and making her look even worse because Bethany's

going to be an attack dog. There's just no doubt about that. And I just want the Countess to make it out unscathed. And I don't think that's going to happen. It might. Because Luanne, I mean, her fight with Bethany in the Berkshires was beyond epic. And she held her own.

She really held her own. She did not crumble. Bethany looked terrible yeah bethany came at her and luann even if her go-to was simply that bethany was stealing her hair she stuck to it and she was she was vicious and you know we've been joking about how one of the funny things that luann does is anytime that car mutters something Luann says oh thanks for thanks for contributing Carol you know it's just like this annoying

like ugh you know dismissive dismissive and annoyed so Luann can hold her own but um she's really bad at seeing what her image is

realistically and you know changing and I don't know I'm concerned she'll flip a 180 next season thank god but right

now we're just gonna have to struggle through these next few episodes and watch her potentially dig the hole deeper yeah i i'm i'm concerned she's doing some irreparable damage to her image so um anyway still excellent the best thing on bravo right now 100 by far by far okay let's go on to southern charm reunion part two um in all honesty i have been watching this season intermittently yes is that a word yes it is it is intermittently how do i spell intermittently mittens like a kitty named mittens and yeah in between two mittens yeah in between two mittens because this show makes me so fucking crazy. Really? Yeah,

I mean, the people are all horrendous but like with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Oh, I think so many of them are full of tons of redeeming qualities.

They're all terrible but I did watch the reunion in full. Well, I'm glad you did because they put on a good reunion. This episode of the reunion

was hilarious mainly because of Catherine because she is just a one- this this episode the reunion was hilarious mainly because of katherine because she is just a one-woman train wreck she is a one-woman train wreck but i do have to say that i surprisingly am rooting for her and i think a lot of the other cast members are complete assholes to her and fuck off landon yeah it was interesting. Landon, I watched this episode today and it aired a few days ago and I got a lot of tweets. We got a lot of messages, whatever,

like fucking Landon. She's, you know, she's such a bitch, yada, yada, yada. And it's funny because Landon has always been like the sweet one. And by and large, I've actually been on Landon's side and the whole argument throughout the season because, you know, she's right. Catherine is crazy.

She does manipulate and she does use those kids. Yes, yes, yes. But Landon was such a bitch on the reunion. But I'm like, should I hold that against her? Maybe I should praise her for it. The problem with Landon is that she

wasn't a fun bitch. You know, she was just like really condescending and that's a fun bitch. You know, she was just, like, really condescending. And that's not fun for us. No, and every time, you know, Catherine said Landon is trying to get under her skin. And Landon is like, what are you talking about? I would never try to do that. I'm not that awful. Yes, you are.

Catherine is insane. Yes. 100%. Purely insane. But Landon wants to get under her skin and needs to fucking admit yeah I was fucking with you yeah I'm gonna take pictures with him

yeah I'm gonna be a bitch just admit it if this woman is crazy just say I think you're crazy and I'm gonna be rude to you Landon her inability to admit that she ever did anything catty to Catherine is one of her downfalls because she's been nothing but catty

and reasonably so but the fact that she can't admit it makes her not a fun bitch. Exactly. You know? I like a fun bitch. You like a fun bitch. Yeah.

One who's like, yeah, I was catty to you. And she sort of is. You know, she does have actually like this really obnoxious, like amazingly obnoxious line of defense is catty to you but and she sort of is you know she she does have actually like this um really obnoxious like amazingly obnoxious line of defense where she says like i'm from i'm from a small town i don't know people like you you know you've had you've got pregnant twice and you don't turn this in question i don't act like that i don't know people that act i don't know people act like that i was like it's i wasn't raised that way it's like so amazingly snobby that it's almost like

yes but it comes from like it's like it's not for some reason you can't embrace it no i'm not i can't embrace it and i've liked her i liked her the most last season and look her bad behavior and being so rude on the reunion especially girl is locked in for next season like there's no concern with this cast at all but i'm interested to see if she will watch the season and she will watch the reunion and go oh my god it was awful maybe i feel like she won't i feel like she feels pretty um pretty entitled i think she feels like she's 100 the right. 100% but don't you want that to kind of be shared between her and Cameron? I feel like Cameron was not bringing me anything.

I mean Cameron is gorgeous. And I'm living for the blue and the blonde hair and the whole thing but like I need her and Landon to both be bitches in this together and I feel like Cameron was just sitting there. Well Cameron I think she she's been in the game the longest.

All the way back to Real World San Diego circa 2004 with Brad and the dead one, Frankie. And Robin, my favorite. Robin, oh my god, who got arrested for slapping Marina on the shoulder. It happens. Fleet Week. Yeah, exactly. Robin, she was amazing. Noweron's been been in this a long time she knows how to control her image and she knows she saw she got a lot of flack this

season for being persnickety and bitchy and she's like i don't want to deal with it so she just sat there she was definitely judgmental but she definitely let landon take the fall she barely said a thing and she's just as judgmental as landon is yes but the difference is that she's fun judgmental in my book she's fun judgmental because she she'll say something and then she's just like laugh i think that's the other thing i think that like you know delivery is everything and and cameron will just give you like uh oh she's just a poor deluded soul bless her heart and then laugh it off and you can't help but be like you know it's like like oh that was so bitchy i love it yeah but the difference is she didn't fuck what's his nuts and landon i believe landon did yeah you know it's so it's weird because there's a lot of like that she said

on this one there's a lot i feel like landon did but i also don't i feel like there's no she has no reason to lie about it or hide neither of them do and they both have said it and everyone seems to say like yeah thomas we would have known because thomas is terrible at lying so part of me is like i don't know anymore i think that like what convinced me was when they showed the flashbacks from watch what happens yeah and i want to say it was craig and Shep both said, basically Thomas and Landon definitely hooked up. Whether that's, you know, some fucking or that is some making out. I don't know.

But again, like I do actually think Landon has something to lose. It will make her look worse. He cannot look worse. He is awful. Yeah. Disgusting. But Landon doesn't want to admit it

and I think that she's asking him please keep your mouth shut because it's going to take me down two pegs right yeah I mean but she doesn't really have anywhere to go down to I mean she's just I mean she's living on a houseboat I mean what does she have to lose

you know at this point she has no career her dignity yeah but you give that up when you join one of these shows yeah when you sign on the dotted line on a bravo show goodbye dignity yeah dignity is gone i mean just look at any of these people um by the way i have to say i loved um the the discussion about uh the word sanctimonious oh my god poor craig didn't know what it didn't know what sanctimonious meant and then and then when they're like they all were like how do you not know what sanctimonious meant. And then when they're like, they all were like,

how do you not know what sanctimonious is? He's like, well, he's like, I mean, where would I have learned that? And Whitney's like, from studying. From studying? No, it was brilliant. There were a lot of great lines from this episode. And what did you think, by the way?

I don't know if you have notes to go through this. I'm deciding whether or not we should go. It's like, there's so much stuff. I don't know if it's worth going. We just talk about it. So let's talk about how Andy Cohen was like, I'm literally going or not we should go. It's like, there's so much stuff. I don't know if it's worth going. We just talk about it. So let's talk about how Andy Cohen was like, I'm literally going to kill myself.

Yeah, that was curious to me. Inappropriate or funny? I thought that was hypocritical, actually. Because here's this guy, this maestro, who puts these people together. He's the ringleader. Ringleader and a maestro. Whatever metaphor you want.

Ringleader, maestro, and I would say... Spangali. Yeah, but also pot stirrer. Pot stirrer. You know, here they are. All this stuff stems from season two, right? Because Landon never had an issue with Catherine. Except that, like, Catherine started being bitchy to Landon, actually. Yeah.

Like, she just was bitchy to Landon because there was... I think there was the issue with the Jekyll Island and yada, yada, yada. And it just has been ballooning. Well, and insecure about her relationship. That's where it all comes from. So they're talking about it. And the Jekyll... Landon, as one of her defenses said,

like, I did try to get to know you. That's why I invited you to Jekyll Island, which is a lie, because they were probably all contractually forced to go there. Obligated to go. And then she's like like but you had to be you had i had to kick you out you know why because your stylist or your whatever your

makeup person was making accusations about thomas and costing the whole election by the way it was that did not cost an election it just cost him some points in an already losing campaign yeah probably cost him one vote of a thousand that he had already lost on his own yeah exactly so then Catherine says oh do you want to should we go back tonight should we should I tell him what really happened and Andy goes please no I'm like I want to know what really happened thank you and also Andy I'm sorry but again you want the drama on these shows to drive ratings and I just I didn't, I thought it was funny, but at the same time I was also like, shut up, Andy.

You're getting too involved in the storyline that you want to be a success. Yeah. Sit back and watch the fireworks. Exactly. I'm like, you created this mess. So let us hear what's going on. Like, don't give, don't,

you are asking these questions. You're provoking these women. And then now they're fired up. Moderate. And you're going to be like, seriously? I'm going to murder, don't give, don't, you are asking these questions. You're provoking these women and then moderate, fire it up. Moderate. And you're going to be like, seriously, I'm going to like,

no, no. And just because that storyline doesn't interest you, Andy doesn't mean as the rest of us, as viewers of the show, maybe it interests me. Exactly. I was, I actually thought that was like a bad moment of moderation.

I feel like we're about to get to something really juicy. Um, and it wasn't, they didn't, they didn't get to that. But, uh, what was interesting, Catherine, you know,

I mean, she's crazy. Super crazy. And she, there was some talk about, maybe when Snowden came on and there was some talk about, like, you know, you didn't seem to mind

that Snowden and Thomas had had a relationship or did something. And it was like, we didn't have sex. We didn't have cannibalism.den and thomas had had a relationship or did something and it was like it was like we didn't have sex you didn't have canada i mean she's being very very defensive but we only hung out three times but then one of those times he stuck his penis in you yeah exactly but katherine had this whole line about like i wouldn't like if landon had sex with thomas i don't care i don't care if that's a lot. That's a lot. Because then the whole rest of the episode

she's like well you had sex with Thomas. You had sex with Thomas. For the final 30 minutes. Yeah. Catherine's got to get her stories together. You know. I do think that they hooked up. And I think that Catherine knows that.

So Catherine needed Catherine is not going to get Landon to admit it. So where does Catherine go from here? Costume jewelry. Costume jewelry. Make a bedazzled beaded choker. Put that shit on Etsy for $8.99 and maybe you'll get a... It's not going to sell like Asa's caftans.

No. But maybe you'll get a few sold. For like an episode and a half i just kept on looking at that choker and i was like what costume store did she find this i don't know when she said when she said i've been making things like like oh because um thomas does not support her she she's working she's creating vintage pieces like this i nearly first of all you can't create vintage pieces pieces are either vintage or you're making a reproduction. Exactly.

But then, so I was like already snickering at that, you know, when she's, because someone asked a question, a very good question, which is like, um, Catherine, why don't you just get a job? You know? Her full-time job is being a mom. And I believe that for certain people. I don't believe that for her. When you already have two nannies.

Yes. Yeah. Um, so, but she's like, well, I make these jewelry that for her. When you already have two nannies. Yes. Yeah. So, but she's like, well, I make these jewelry things. But then Landon gave her... Cut to Landon snickering. Snickering, which I was like, I can snicker. But Landon, you can't with your website on paper. Right, I'm sorry.

But what's your job? Yeah. Sorry, Landon. Yeah, I thought that was... She was not in a place to do that. There was also... We also learned, by the way, of this whole drug test issue

that Thomas had shaved his entire body so that way he couldn't do a drug test, which I thought was... I just don't see him as a hairy person, so I don't know if that would be a lot of... He has a patch. He has a patch that's like right here. Yeah, but I don't like that patch.

I like a hairy chest, but I don't like a patch. Yeah. I patch that's like right here. Yeah, but I don't like that patch. I like a hairy chest, but I don't like a patch. Yeah. I mean, she obviously failed it because if she hadn't failed it, she'd have been like, fuck no, I didn't, you know, I didn't fail it. Like, I passed it with flying colors. But I like how Catherine, she

likes to talk like a lawyer sometimes. She's like, no, that's private information and I'm not at liberty to discuss that. I mean mean come on when they asked her about the pregnancy um like did you lie which is the stupidest question did you lie and watch what happens live with a reunion that you weren't pregnant and then we saw and we saw the pregnancy test 3 30 15 and she's like ew sketchy people by the way that's private so i'm like it was on camera yeah sketchy people sign up for this show. Hi, Catherine. Yeah. And don't act like you don't examine every part of Thomas's life with the same scrutiny

that that fan did looking at the pregnancy. Yeah. No, I mean, she's sort of like an amazing force to be reckoned with. She is so off her rocker that I think that she's actually one of the underrated shining stars of Bravo in the crazy department. But again, I just don't know where we go from here. Shep and Craig

sat there and said nothing. Well, Craig would occasionally try to chime in in lawyer voice and he's like... Didn't they ask him did you even take the bar? Is he a lawyer? Is he really a lawyer? No. He's not a lawyer yet. God bless him. God bless Craig. He means so well. He does, but he's just so boring to me and like i enjoy him then whitney whitney is i heard a rumor

that he's not gonna be on next season and he barely was on the producer though isn't he so he's still getting a paycheck i think so because he's barely on this season he's in la he and thomas are not bff he's in la he kind of made made up with Catherine so I feel like he's swept under the rug in time for him to move on. Maybe he'll be looking for a show in LA but I just don't see him being a part of the cast

going forward. I don't and that's fine. It's fine. No big loss. I know. He'll probably guess because they're still going to have Patricia

in the mix. They have to and they'll bring someone else on. I love all the ancillary characters in the show. I think Craig and Whitney are gone.

The rest are coming back. You think Craig's locked? Craig is definitely in. He's got to be in. I think Craig is hilarious. He's so funny to watch. He sticks his foot in his mouth all the time. He says the most ridiculous things.

He's an idiot, so that makes him for good TV. Yeah, but he's a likable idiot. Shep also. He's a big old doofus who I think is actually very smart, but is just not doing anything with his life i think i think they'll all come back i think katherine is like i mean that is they really found lightning in a bottle with her right because you can never be i can never you can never tell if you're ever on her side or not like she it's like back and forth

well it's scary to watch too because she's also that person that could just pull out a butcher knife and kill everybody but that's why she should be paid the most for next season. Well, I mean, oh, yeah, absolutely. And what was hilarious to me is that Thomas Ravenel, so he's now changed his tune on Snowden. After spending a season talking about how she's the devil and she is the cause of the downfall of Western civilization. He says like, well, you know, Catherine, she, you you know she's pregnant with a child that has complications and makes me realize

she's really a wonderful outstanding person and really one of the best people I've ever met in my life and she's just really a wonderful and like all of a sudden

and then she gets out there and she's like well it was hard for me because you know like you know I walked the plank this season and she starts sniffling

and then he he pulls out a handkerchief and gives it to her and the look on Catherine I know did you see that look that Catherine

went to give a huff and then she just she just bottled it up she was you know it was it was probably the corset that she was wearing

probably played a factor the corset she's like limited mobility limited mobility limited mobility maybe you know fast movements could cause the entire pearl vintage vista right she needs to keep the etsy site alive we can't have that falling apart oh my goodness i mean i think that like it read like she was upset that thomas was giving snowden a handkerchief 100 well meaning that like like that there was something but he was

giving someone a handkerchief but i think other than her but i assume that really the anger was that here he was trying to look like a debonair gentleman and when he and she knows the real deal remember when he told when he said i have lied maybe four times together and she goes that's a lie genius and then they would just cut to her, like, spinning her head around like the fucking exorcist and, like, twitching and doing weird, like, lip movements and eyes. Like, one eye's blinking to the left, one eye's blinking down. Like, she makes for great TV. I know.

And then the thing is with Catherine, though, is, like, she's also just not very bright. And she's the type of person who just latches onto anything and will find a reason to be mad at it so for instance when andy was asking shep about i guess he said something about he wanted to know shep had said something about blaming thomas for this rift you know that like thomas had fostered a friendship with landon and it bothered katherine and really it was thomas's fault and he mentioned something like it seems seems like Catherine doesn't like Landon or something like that. And Catherine's like, you don't know that?

He's like, well, on the surface, it looked like you guys didn't like each other. And Catherine goes, on the surface, surface, surface. Like, there he goes. Twitching. Not thinking critically about the situation. I'm like, what else was he supposed to say you were outwardly hostile to whoever that was they're talking about like i mean you were a monster how what do you just hear the trigger word and she's

like like surface people so surfacy that's what you want on tv on reality tv it's so good i um and and thomas talking about um he's such a politician he's like i'd like to retract everything i said at the dinner party like you know just like he just has all these i would have shot handled that better you know all in a setting of a fake plantation i made that fucking set i can't get over it i cannot get over it um i liked also i'm just looking through my notes quickly i'm looking at the quotes that really jumped out to me. Here's one from Landon. This was a great moment here.

I haven't been catty to Catherine. Catherine says, that's bullshit. And then Landon goes, I thought it was my turn to talk. Way to support your thesis there. You've never been catty. Didn't you say that? I just, I was so anti landon as i was watching this episode because katherine is like andy was asking her questions and katherine's

allowed to respond so landon just take a fucking second and relax you know i mean because the truth is that landon is generally right she is generally generally right, as we mentioned before, in terms of Catherine's disaster. They're both disasters together. Yes. And Catherine was being manipulative. And Landon even clarifies. She's like, I wasn't saying that she was manipulative by going to the hospital because she was bleeding.

The new story on Bravo is bleeding through your vagina. She said it was manipulative that she had Snowden call Craig and say that Thomas wasn't there when Thomas was there. So I think Landon has been right all this time. And I, and I get it too, by the way, in terms of like,

you know what, like Catherine is like a crazy person and like, there's all this weird stuff and like kids getting pregnant with Thomas and they say they hate each other, but they keep getting pregnant, whatever. Like, I don't know.

I mean, I don't know people like that. Then why is Landon still friends with Thomasomas like clearly this is all a nightmare maybe exactly disassociate yourself from this nightmare seriously i know that this keeps you on the show and you know fighting with these people keeps the money coming in but at the end of the day then stop being such good friends with thomas exactly and so and don't be telling katherine that she locked him in a room she put her hand up against the door because she was not done having a conversation with this guy who's been treating her like shit. So stop saying like, she made it sound like she was fucking Kathy Bates from Misery and had him tied up in a bed.

I'm sorry. She's allowed to put her hand on a door and say we're not done with this conversation. That's not locking somebody in a room. And by the way, and Catherine has earned the right to dislike Landon after all this because Landon has been a bitch to her. So Catherine does and did not invite Landon to Shep's birthday party so Catherine does have a right to be like I don't want Landon to be there so I get that

I just think that like I think Landon for the majority has been in the right this season but the way she handled herself on the reunion was bad that was bad bad image control and she is going to be the new villain right when you go away like now we're going to have a break. I mean, they're not going to be back for nine or 10 months.

She didn't end on the best note. Catherine was going to start crazy, go crazy, and end crazy. She's right within expectations. Right. But Landon did not end on a good note. And the thing with Catherine is that the crazier she is, the more we love her. And we know we shouldn't, but she's like a train wreck. How can I not root for somebody who's clearly falling apart yeah what's also great about katherine

is that she has moments of very um like intense clarity and she's like right on the money sometimes she says things and you're like boom and and when she is like focused she is she does she does become very sharp and she does understand situations and i do believe like i believe everything she says about whitney 100 but then she is so easily crazy like she can be derailed easier than any of them and that's when she starts to look terrible because like you said when she is focused i actually believe pretty much everything that comes out of her mouth yeah but you know what she is she is young and she's needy everything that comes out of her mouth yeah but you know what she is she is young and she's needy and that's the other thing is that these

people are older than her by far i mean and the other thing is it's also a reality show and these people would probably never hang out with her otherwise and they're forced to hang out with this like girl who's 10 years younger than them it's a total disaster and they should hate thomas as a result they should they won't because it's a patriarchal society. Exactly. Rape culture! Now it's getting too real. It's getting deep. I feel like there are probably some other really funny things in here.

I'm looking over my notes. I don't want to miss anything. Oh, we did learn that Thomas was hanging out. That Orlando Bloom guy who's been hanging out with Thomas, he's a porn star. Is that what the implication was? That was what they hinted at, but I don't recognize him. hanging out with Thomas, he's a porn star. Is that what the implication was? That was what they hinted at, but I don't recognize him. Well, he may have been a straight porn star. I don't recognize him.

Oh, okay. I think we got everything. I mean, there was a bunch of Snowden stuff that was like, whatever. There wasn't enough drama around Snowden. It was just like, everyone is fine. Yeah, she was... It was it was an ensemble though for the ages yeah oh my goodness

it was I want to know who the father is or if there is a father was an insemination I I mean I guess that's for next season exactly I mean will she be a full time cast member I don, will she be a full-time cast member?

I don't think she will be. I like her on the sidelines with Cooper. You know, scurrying about, causing trouble. But she's not going. We will find out what happens next season. There was only one person in the history of Southern Charm who's ever disappeared. And that was Jenna. Jenna from season one.

And she was awful in the first place. Gone. Everyone else, though... I bet she doesn't even live there. She doesn't. She lives in New York, I think. She probably was awful in the first place. Gone. Gone. Everyone else, though. I bet she doesn't even live there. She doesn't. She lives, like, in New York, I think. She probably lives next to me. Yeah.

She's probably on the Street of Stars. The Street of Stars. But everyone else, all these other little characters, they just sort of, like, this show gathers characters, and they just are around. I mean, we always talk about Suzanne. Grab a houseboat. Mm-hmm. Grab a houseboat and, like, some prime rib and have Suzanne come over.

And pretend to study law. Yeah. I'm excited. This is a show. grab a houseboat and like some prime rib and pretend to study law. Yeah. Um, I, I'm excited. This is a show like Shep saying like, where do you see yourself a year from now?

Well, clearly still I'm not going anywhere. Yeah. These people live for where they live and they do nothing and they're not changing. This is a show that has gotten better. I think with every season. Agreed. I think it's gotten,

it's like the first season was like a pleasant diversion from everything else on bravo it was just a bunch of will it get renewed or not and it did season two into the stratosphere no i mean it truly became a brand that was like you know what this needs to stay in the mix with the housewives franchises and the million dollar listing mix like this was like, you know what, this needs to stay in the mix with the Housewives franchises and the Million Dollar Listing mix. Like, this was like... It's above those. Oh, above Million Dollar Listings. But, like, okay. This works. It's part of the programming plan. It made sense

to me. It is a tentpole. Yes, I agree now. It's a non-Housewives I think if you're looking at the if you're looking at the non-Housewives things, you have Vanderpump Rules, which is part of the Housewives universe, but it is its own, it's a cultural, I would say it's one of its, Bravo's most zeitgeisty shows. 100%.

Right? And the ratings are there, yes. Ratings are huge, and it keeps creating pop culture stars. Shazza Sunset is a ten-pole. Shaz? It's not as buzzworthy anymore, but it's still. Obviously Top Chef for the Emmy win, and Noms. Top Chef. Yes. win and noms. Top Chef.

Yes. Million dollar listing franchise. Yeah. Well, I feel like million dollar listing isn't a tentpole in terms of buzz, but it's... You're right. A workhorse. Yes. It's a workhorse.

I think it's a workhorse. Where would you put Jeff Lewis in Flipping Out? I think that he's a Bravo star. I think he is a Bravo star and that show is like um what it's a legacy show but it's yes but it's i'll give you that i don't want to admit it but i'm going to give you that it's a legacy show but it's not it's i don't think it's a tentpole but it's another workhorse it's a workhorse i think shazza i feel like i don't know maybe we haven't been talking about shazza sunset as much i don't know if it's because ron Ronnie's been a little lukewarm on it.

And so, you know, I think if maybe both of it, I think Shaza Sunset always gives, you know, 110% craziness, right? Shaza Sunset's a big one. They really have not been able to push that brand beyond Shaza Sunset. Right. We did talk about that there was a Reza spinoff that had been planned that never came to be they've tried to push Top Chef into a million different forms and they've

seemingly abandoned them all now yes I'm sorry but Curtis Stone is not a breakout star neither is Kat Cora just get back to basics I would like to rewind the clock about four years ago when we had Top Chef Masters and it just deserves the best show ever but it was Top Chef Masters

when it was the old format of Masters when they just give some stars out. And it was just sort of a very pleasant cooking challenge. Or Gale at the Helm

of Desserts. Two seasons of confection magic. The problem was that season two they didn't cast enough gay people on it. I know.

Because Top Chef is for the straight people. Top Desserts, you need the catty gays. Exactly. But other pillars... So, Southern Charm is definitely... In the mix now, for sure.

Definitely, like, a big... Solidified its space, 100%. Yeah, and how does the... Do you know what the ratings are for the Tankards? Because they keep bringing that back. I think that there are good ratings for Married to Medicine. Married to Medicine's another one. And Blood, Thicker, Water, whatever that is. Blood, Thicker... Yeah, isn't that the Tankard? Yeah, Blood Married to Medicine and Blood Thicker Water

whatever that is yeah isn't that the tanker yeah Blood Thicker Than Water yeah the ratings are there for those I'm not I would say Married to Medicine has been around for a long time I'm going to say that that is

on the verge of workhorse into tentpole but I'm not going to say it yet I feel like Married to Medicine I think it workhorse into tentpole, but I'm not going to say it yet. I feel like, I feel like marriage medicine, I think it's a, it's actually a tentpole, but I feel like it's actually moving towards where I think it's, it's been creatively challenged the past season or so.

Actually, the end of last season, that first season was everything. First season was amazing. They have not been able, but they are spinging it off. There's, there's going to be marriage medicine in Houston.

So that's means it's an anchor or a tentpole anchor more than tentpole perhaps perhaps you have also I hope that

Ladies of London can work up to tentpole I feel like it's always just hanging on ratings aren't there I'm shocked that it's coming back

I'm shocked and I would say I'm very happy with Below Deck Mediterranean oh yeah Below Deck that was the I would say I'm very happy with Below Deck Mediterranean. Oh, yeah, Below Deck. And I live for the original Below Deck with Queen Kate Chastain. Yeah, Below Deck is definitely a tentpole. Below Deck and a workhorse.

It's going to get more spinoffs, too. It's going to get more spinoffs. It's very spinoffy. It's easy, it's cheap, and it's great claustrophobia drama. What I would like is for Bravo to be able to expand their food side. They've tried. They keep trying. They lost fashion when Lifetime snatched Project Runway away, which I think was terrible.

Bravo, what I want it to be, would have better food spinoffs. Yes. They never would have lost Project Runway. And they would have picked up instead of passing on RuPaul's Drag Race because no one wants to watch Logo and those if that could all come together Bravo would be on top of the world. But Drag Race is not really the brand.

It's too gay. It's campy gay not sophisticated gay which is what they want and I think that it is a ratings hit now and I do think that they regret not having it. Maybe it doesn't fit the brand perfectly, but I think that it's better for them than, like, Odd Mom Out. Really? Odd Mom Out works into the brand, but, like, I'm not...

I don't give a fuck. Yeah, I would like... What was I going to say? About food. About food, yeah. About food, I think, you know, I became obsessed with Great British Baking. Why don't i think you know i became obsessed with great british baking why don't they you know that's what that's the sort of food programming that proper should have it's very upscale look this is like what they did with i want to say jeff lewis and some of those

things it was like chipping at hgtv yes chef chips at food network and Top Chef is so much better than Food Network start even though I watch it yeah better but chip more at a few of those brands right and expand and then you have a better in my opinion like I don't want the only food show on Bravo to be Top Chef once a year there can be something on the other side of the

calendar that balances that's it that's exactly right and they've been trying but the truth is that Curtis Stone is exactly right. And they've been trying, but the truth is that... Curtis Stone is not a fucking star. They have not been able to get any sort of purchase with food. And that's the one era, that's the one lifestyle era they have left

that they still can build on because Top Chef is such a major show. They fail with fashion, though, too. They did. I was obsessed, though, with that stupid thing which was the consignment shop in New York. I was obsessed with that.

Well, they also had Rachel Zoe. Don't forget. That's true. They had Rachel Zoe and they had blowout, which were both sort of fashion. Oh, and I miss Jackie Warner and workout.

Well, they brought workout back. Yeah, but that was terrible. And it's, it's new form. I do think what Bravo can do is instead of giving us a crappy competition show, like that,

whatever that kitchen, that sabotage kitchen, whatever it was, that ridiculous thing that they had on recently, rather than that, they should just, you know, rip off the great British bacon competition where that show is,

that show is a hundred percent about cooking and technique. And it's fascinating. And everyone is obsessed with it. Anyone who's seen it on Netflix is obsessed. And I think that that would translate onto TV. I think it would become buzzworthy on TV. Agreed. I know that, I think maybe ABC probably has rice to it because ABC does.

They do. But they could do their own version of it. Their own rip-off, I think. Rip it off. Do it. Because otherwise, you have Top Chef, and then you go to the Food Network and it is so bottom of the barrel now. It is

everything is a variation on Chopped, Guy Fieri, and Cutthroat Kitchen. It's like a circus and it's insulting. Worst kitchens, worst cooks, diners, dives, and blah blah blah and blah, and chop knockoffs, like you said. That's it.

Bread pudding, mac and cheese, bread pudding, mac and cheese. Like, what can be made for a cookout? I'm suddenly missing tuna tartare on every menu. Not there, yeah. I don't want bacon mac and cheese balls, again. Again, deep fried, whatever. I mean, admittedly, a baking show is about cake, but... It's drama.

It is. It's high drama. And all this, and could that brought this is not i think that's where bravo could find hey well if anybody at bravo is listening you and i are available to be brought in as consultants for five hundred thousand dollars a year you know what that is a great great idea um well this is so lovely we got to a nice macro discussion about the state of bravo matt thank you so much for coming in, coming back, filling in for Ronnie.

It was so fun chatting Bravo with you. As always. Hopefully I can come back in cameo maybe for an episode of Jersey this summer. Yeah, I am totally for it. I think the listeners would be for it too. And the fun part is for the two of us, the podcasting continues

because we're going to watch Big Brother and then I'm going to fill in for Ronnie on your podcast Big Brother's Mother so we have an eviction tonight so it'll be interesting to see how that goes down and obviously three episodes this week so plenty more

with your beloved Chenbot which you coined the term Chenbot. We will never forget. I did. I did do that. And for those of you who don't know, Matt and I have a very special history with Big Brother.

Oh, God. I re-watched some of the videos of Press Day, Big Brother Press Day, and let me just say it's terrifying and I'm a monster and they should cast me. We were on... Were we on two seasons or one season? At least.

No, one season. The first season because, yeah, only one season. Just one. Just one. We were on the Big Brother Media Day together. Yes. And it was phenomenal. It was.

You threw eggs all over me. I had to take a shower in the HOH bathroom because I was covered in egg yolks. It was not a purpose. The challenge was I had to throw eggs over a wall and you had to take a shower in the HOH bathroom because I was covered in egg yolks. It was not a purpose. The challenge was I had to throw eggs over a wall and you had to catch them. No, wasn't it through like a fence? They would hit the metal posts and splatter on you? It was great. It was amazing.

Nobody does... We were both villains. Weren't we both villains on that? Always a villain, yes. But nobody does sillier, better, backyard garbage games than that Big Brother team. I love a Survivor, you know, massive obstacle course,

but the ridiculous, let's get covered in eggs. Who doesn't want to get covered in eggs? Well, I have some very specific thoughts about the toenail situation on this week's Vito competition, and we will discuss that on Big Brother Smother. If people want to listen to that podcast. Is that on iTunes yet?

Is it up on iTunes? Yes, it's on iTunes and we cracked the top 20 the other week. Really? Yeah, out of the gate doing well. So hopefully you guys

will tune in for that as well. Everyone subscribe to Big Brother Smother and if you haven't subscribed to Watch What Happens, subscribe. Because that way the podcast,

both of our podcasts, will just show up in your itunes library who doesn't want that i know surface with a smile so um thanks everyone again thanks matt and we will be talking very shortly bye bye guys hey prime members you can listen to watch or crappins ad free on amazon music download the amazon music app today or you can listen to Watch What Crappens ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today. Or you can listen ad-free with Wondery Plus in Apple Podcasts. Before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at wondery.com slash survey.