Watch What Crappens - #3198 Crappy Hour 1/2/26: Crystal Kung Minkoff

Episode Date: February 3, 2026

Crystal Kung Minkoff @crystalkungminkoff from the Humble Brag Pod and RHOBH joins us on Crappy Hour to talk about life post Beverly Hills and how she is still able to get in trouble. We go live every other Monday at 5:30 PT at Patreon.com/watchwhatcrappens and youtube.com/watchwhatcrappensFind bonus episodes at patreon.com/watchwhatcrappens and follow us on Instagram @watchwhatcrappens @ronniekaram @benmandelker Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to Crappy Hour. I'm Ronnie. That's been over there. Hello, Benoons. Hi, Ronnie. How's it going? Good. How's tricks, babes? Tricks are great. Tricks are great. You know, it's a Monday. Days are getting a little bit longer. I'm feeling great. I got a nice coffee here still that I've been drinking all day long. What's going on with you? Anything going on with you? To, you know, save the environment. And I'm getting the cracked straw, you know, when it just starts. It just starts decomposing in your mouth. So that's where I'm at. But guess what? Today is a very special day. We've got a great guest here.

And it's also the week we announce all of the nominations for the Golden Crappies. Well, you guys helped us with them. And you're going to get to vote on the first round to narrow all of this down. Those go up this Wednesday as well as live streaming tickets for the Golden Crappies. Buy your tickets. The show is February 27th here in the glamorous Hollywood, California. So grab your tickets for that. Anything you want to add before we bring on our...

I was going to say mysterious guest, but we didn't even keep this as a mystery guest because we knew she would show up. What do you think about that? It's literally in the title of the episode. I know. I know. I think there's actually a typo that we have there, which is, of course, so us. What is it? Crystal Kung Minkoff.

Right? Did I spell it wrong? Can tell us herself. Come on. We'll find out. Oh, geez. I know. This is the most professional podcast that we've ever had.

We'll see those. Let's bring her up. Crystal Kong Minkov. Hey, Crystal. What's going on? I don't know if there's a typo. I'm actually looking right now. I think I spelled it correctly.

Okay. So then I always think I didn't research. Your name. Yeah, Minkoff. Yeah, Minkoff. Oh, hi. It's really not my name, but so it's like someone else's. Yes, it is.

Kong is now. It is now. Hi. Hi. How's it going? Thanks so much for coming on. Happy to be here. It was great.

Yeah, we're so. Finally, it's been a long time. We first met on DM when you were on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and then real life intervened. Yes. I'm so happy to be here. Honestly, you know, I've told you guys for many years. I'm giant fans. You guys always get it.

made me laugh. And so it's really fun to be here. Thank you. Well, we, we appreciate you being here. We're fans. And also, like, how appropriate that you're here when just a few days ago, you made your grand reappearance on the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. You know, you never know when. Out of nowhere. Millennial, millennial softy. Millennial Minkoff. Yeah, how did you feel about that? Because Kyle was basically comparing you to, Frances basically saying that you and Amanda are like of the same like millennial class using

you know buzzwords etc you know I have mixed feelings obviously because being compared to Amanda is a real tough ride but with oh my god Rob just texted me they spelled it ming G-O-F-F so I guess it was spelled rock but that sounds like the Chinese version Ming cough right it's like Ming cough so I did spell it wrong I'm sorry well at It would make you feel better. I only spelled it wrong in about six places that I can say it. Okay, great. Well, obviously, I said Rob, like, you can tune in. So he obviously looked it up. So there you go. So Ming Koff is, you can make me the Asian version. Rob took some, you know, Rob got a little bit of some last name. That's right. So, I mean,

obviously I got pushed it. I thought it was funny. Comparing me to Amanda, I mean, Amanda and I are very different. But actually, it may, I'm, I'm a, self-reflective person. So I was like, oh, God, if I ever sound like her, I am going to never speak again. Like, I'm just going to check myself because she's really rough to watch. And I don't want to like bag on her. But like, it's a lot. She's a lot. But also Kyle needs to realize that if she wants her, and I call it her show, because she like, this is her show. She loves it. It's her baby. And that's fine. Like, she's built the show. She needs to usher in new blood, that's a little bit younger.

She really does or it's going to die. And so if she's always going to trash millennials, I mean, we're not that young. I'm turning 43. Like, we're not that young. Get with it. We're trashing Gen Z now. Yeah. So, like, it's making her look like a golden girl. Like, she needs to

not do that. And so while, like, make fun of something else, because then all we have is to make fun of your age. And, like, ageism's not cool. Like, we don't do that. So I like that's the makes me like I'm not Amanda, but you know, she did have her feelings, but it's a little like she needs to say how she feels and stop. Like she just belabors things too much. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think that like, you know, of course the show could go for some younger blood. I would also be up for some much older blood because I always find that to be really entertaining on these shows, a very diluted older person who

comes in and says crazy shit. And that's always fun. like that would actually activate Kyle in a weird way. It might like recreate some sort of dynamic with like her and Kim and Kathy. But yeah, or, you know, another good solution is that if Kyle just stops controlling the show so much, that's what I think. I don't know. I just think that it's not like I saw it per se.

You can sense it, you know, but it's been 15 years. So like if I was there for 15 years, I think it would be hard for me not to have any like under, like you just know how it works every year, right? to just become just sort of like your third arm. And but yeah, I think she needs to figure,

she needs to allow some like youth in it. Do you know any of the, do you still keep in contact with people from the show? Like, are you still friends with anybody? I'm actually friends with Jennifer Tilly. Because I didn't film with her. But if Rob's still on, Jennifer was in three of Rob's films. So they go back like 30 years.

Yeah. Oh, so you know Jennifer. Jennifer is amazing. She's really a great, great person. She's a lot of empathy. And I'm so glad that the show reflects, like, her kookiness. And, you know, that's just who she is. But she's a very, like, deep thinking person, thoughtful person.

But she's awesome. I still talked to Sutton. Saw her recently. It's already out there. I filmed the White Party. So I saw Erica, we texted after. Kyle and I recall, she didn't tell me she was going to like, you know, use me on the show. But look, they used for three episodes, they talked about Garcel.

It's like a problem. Yeah. It's a problem. Yeah. Do you have any relationship with Garcel right now or no? Garcel and I will text and, you know, I mean, it's not often, but, you know, we're, we're, I'm good. I'm pretty much. Well, that's a hundred times a relationship she has with anybody else on that show.

That's for sure. Yes. Do you know then? If it's relative, she and I are best friends. Do you know the new Natalie Fuller? Almost said the new check. That's not very nice. No.

I was actually at a party the other day. And my friend, I ran to my friend. And she's like, oh, my God. My friend Natalie's on it. I was like, oh, the new girl. And she's like, I'm so afraid for her. I was like, it's okay. I think she'll be fine.

Because, you know, I saw some of the girls on the show recently. And they didn't say anything like negative. They didn't talk about them. much. I don't know if she makes like a huge impact, but it wasn't like negative. But they did say she talked about sex the whole time. She's like, oh, she's always like talking about her vagina and stuff. I'm like, she's kind of doing that so far. Like, yeah, that's two episodes in her, we just had her second episode. She's kind of, that's kind of her thing right now. It's like, I'm divorced. I wear underwear to dinner and I got a happy ending at a massage, y'all. And they're like,

That's how I heard about her. So I don't, I don't think that stops. Is it weird watching the show back, having been on it? Like, are you able to watch it in the same way? Or do you sort of see, do you see kind of like the wizard behind the curtain now? Like, you sort of like, oh, I bet I know what happened in the scene. They probably pulled Kyle to the side and said, can you ask so-and-so about this and yada, yada, yada, yada. Yeah, yeah.

Like, it's, it's programmatic, the show, but it has to be. Like, you can't just have free-for-all and you can't just talk about whatever, because that doesn't make any sense to the viewer. But yeah, for sure, I definitely, I would say while the show was airing, I couldn't watch any television. And we're like big TV people. Like I was the kind of person that, like, would walk in the door, put the remote on, and just needed noise in the background. And then while I was on the show, I watched zero of any television. It just became too loud.

And then now I'm starting to like enjoy it more. You're watching like the Nature Channel. Where are they yelling at me? What did I do? Yeah, so, but yes, you can see, I know what's happening now. Like, I already know who's going to meet up with who and da-da-da. But also maybe because not just because I know the wizard, but also because I know the people on the show.

So I already know the dynamics of what's happening and like, yeah, which makes it fun to watch, actually, because I feel like an insider now. And I've always loved Housewives, unlike apparently the girls who've never seen it before, but join the show. Just such BS. But I really love the show before. And then I had a hatred for it while you're on it.

It's tough. And now I can re-love it. So yeah, I get to watch it as a fan now. And that's like a really good place for me. I really enjoy it. How is the thing with the Housewives is that like a lot of times I'll be like, you were a fan. Like if there's like a fight or there's an issue,

sometimes they pull that card like, well, we were here doing this work as if it's like real like, like, oh, you're doing the work. Yeah. You came on. you were just a fan. And like, did you ever get that energy, like, thrown at you? Or was there, like, an element of, like, we're the seniors in high school and you're

freshman. And, like, like, we don't even believe your motives because we think you're here just to put on a show because you're a fan. No, I never got the fan thing. But also, I was always, like, scared shitless all the time. So they knew, all the cast knew I was not, like, coming for them like that. I think what they did not know, what they were kind of confused about me is I was always, like, kind of nice and like this.

And they're like, oh, she's manipulative. us. I'm really not, but, you know, and I also think that, like, someone like Erica, which I really appreciated, like, I think Erica kind of saw, she, like, felt like she, like, she, like, she figured me out and, like, she's like, you're way tougher. You, you know, I'm sure you're a big fighter. And, like, I just was scared to fight and she tried to bring it out in me in a positive, you know, like, show yourself how you feel. Like, go get out. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Erica had it It's too fucking funny when you do that. Erica had it pretty rough when she first came on, too.

I mean, we talked to someone back then who was on the show and they were like, oh, God, this girl's such a dud. Like, she's not going to, we've got this new girl on the show. She's a total dud. She never says a thing. Nobody likes her because she's just, you know, she'll be in and out of here. And then she became hugely popular because in her, you know, in her diary room sessions or her confessionals, she was so funny.

and the ladies didn't see any of that, you know. Oh, interesting. She didn't see how they were, she was just ragging on the ladies or commenting on everything or what she was actually thinking until they saw the show. And then they had to take her a little more seriously the next year. Well, by the time I got on the show, I think Erica was just such a big character.

You know, she was always the one in like, you know, a lot of like what I felt like were costumes, you know? She was so theatrical. And it was my second week of filming and she's like, I'm getting a divorce. We're like, whoa. And I remember they were asking me like, because they want me to, production doesn't tell you what to say,

but they're trying to find a way to integrate you into the cast, right? Immediately. You can't just sit there like, hi, are you married? You know, you can't do that. It's like just immediately become one of them. And so it was like, ask her why she's getting divorced. I'm like, what? Like, I don't even know this woman's last name yet, you know?

And I'm like, and she's like dressed and she looks like a, you know, she's wearing like the pink puffy things. I'm like, I'm so scared. And I'm like, I'm like, why are you getting divorced? You know, it was like such because I'm like, I would not ask anyone that. You know? Yeah. But it's such a tricky thing.

Yeah. Because they're going to make it like if you do it wrong, they're going to make it look like you're an overstepper. Like, look how obnoxious and new girl. It just comes in and asks all these awful questions. Then if you do it right, it's like, oh my God, I love how direct she is. And like, it's such a moving target. It is.

It is. And it's hard to navigate when there's no playbook. But, you know, you just try to figure it. I think that's why newbies are always ushered in every year, at least every two years. It's like you need people. who don't know what they're doing because that's how you play against, you know, the OGs, right? Like if you just have eight OGs, it's like they're just going to run, you know, they're just going to talk about whatever they want to talk about. It's not going to feel authentic.

Yeah. You know, so. Yeah. They also need someone to, someone to rag on. I mean, this season really is starting to finally take off. It's showing signs of life because they're finally on to Amanda. And, you know, you've got people like Rachel's O. And Bose who are both like, uh-uh.

like those girls full of shit and so finally they're coming back to life because they won't do anything I don't think if it was just left up to them you know they know how to protect themselves and their own their own storylines and stuff I'm sure they felt it from day one I mean someone like Amanda when you hear a talk like you kind of get annoyed with her immediately like she would annoy me but you also have to be careful like you can't just say that out of you know because you're you are doing a show and you're like okay well this person is here for the next 14 weeks so like there is a process in which you're you have to get to know someone better. Like if I met someone like that in my real life,

I'd be like, well, I'm not going to have dinner with that person again. You know, like that's a high person. And you don't need a rag on them. You're just like, I don't vibe with that person. In this scenario, you have to. So you could feel them waiting. You're like hoping she turns a corner and doesn't act weird. And then she just keeps getting weirder.

I hope this person heals emotionally before I have to see her again. Yeah. It would have funny if I was there. I don't know. I would have been, she would annoy the show. I would have been great, actually. I think it, I don't know, like it. The thing is with Amanda, like there's a weird relationship, I feel like we have with her in the sense that on the one hand, she's totally insufferable.

On the other hand, it's hilarious watching her annoy everyone. And I'm like, I'm going back and forth on whether or not I want to hate her or love her for what for being such a disruptor. And because it is fun to watch some of the cast members, especially the veterans who've been there forever, who are like clearly want to just control what they want to talk about. It's fun to watch them squirm and get annoyed. I still remember, I think was it your first season? It was the thing that they just brought up last week, the whole thing about violated. And it felt like every time you were trying to put that to bed,

Kyle would like just open it back up again and be like, well, she talked about being violated. Maybe we should talk about it again. And they like sat you down. It was like 10 episodes in a row. And I always felt like that was so obnoxious. It was so annoying. And it was tiresome.

And it also was not fun for us because it was like there were, like Kyle was like forcing this. It was not fun for you? thing. It was fun for me. I loved it. Maybe it was. I don't remember,

but in much respect, I'm like, but yeah. Fans, I feel like when you talk about like cast members who are fans, like fans today are different than like when I was a fan because I was a fan pre-social media.

I didn't follow, I don't follow celebrities. I don't follow reality people. So I watched it and turned it off. I didn't, I didn't really. look deep into how the show worked. So the people who are super fans know that that's the program, right? It's going after someone did it how it works. I didn't know how it worked. I just liked watching

it. I was like, oh, I think I've seen Kyle at some parties. Oh, I know Kathy. Obviously, I've known Kathy for almost 20 years. So like I'd see Kyle at her house randomly. Like I, but I didn't know how it worked. So it so, so funny when the audience is like, oh, Crystal keeps bringing it up. I'm like, I'm really not bringing it up. Every time I would walk into like a lunch, I'm like, please God, don't talk about it. And then they're like, so. I'm not talking about violated. And I wish I knew.

I wish I knew that was coming because I would have known how to shut it down. Like housewives know how to shut it down or keep it going. I just was always like, and I was just a fucking idiot the whole time. Like, oh God, they're talking about it again. Why? And so you just find out like that's what it's about. And so when it comes to Amanda, like, I do have mixed feelings. says she would annoy me so much.

Yes. I filmed with her. However, no one's annoying anybody else at this time. Right. Everyone's happy with each other. So I think it's probably good for the, she's the only person people are talking about right now.

Right. And that's why it's like, you know, after Kyle was like, and others, it's not just Kyle, but they were like constantly putting you in the hot seat. I just always enjoy it when it gets turned around on them.

And they're like made to feel uncomfortable and they can't kind of have the experience that they want, You know, it gives me like a weird joy that I should talk to my therapist about. Well, I wish you called me in the beginning, and then I could have figured that one out earlier. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappence commercial. So Xavier is asking in the comments, or Xavier, I guess I should say, pardon me, is asking what it was like to film Ultimate Girls Trip. I didn't know that you did. How did that go?

Yeah, so, Norway wouldn't really talk about it, but pictures are out. I guess I will. It was actually really fun. When I first got the call, I was reluctant because I'm like, I don't know if this is really like how I want to go back or if I want to do it. But it sounded fun and they told me who was going. And so, like, Eileen was going, who I really, I should text her. I really connected with her with.

Like, we were talking the whole night of like, God, it would have been so great if she and I were on the same season together. I mean, but she was on so long ago. I really enjoyed her. I really like Camille. And so they gave me the, I asked for the list. I said, and who's the current cast? And it was really just Kyle, obviously, Sutton and Erica.

So I was like, okay, well, I could be in room with anyone, but I was like, okay, this is like a group that I would actually have fun with. And I had such a good time because no one's telling you to fight. You're just going there to look pretty and have fun. And, yeah, so it was awesome. What is it like having your podcast humble brag? Is it awkward for you talking about all the headlines and all of the Bravo stuff? Have you gotten in any trouble with anybody for doing that? No, I haven't got any trouble.

It shocks me because I really, really tow the line of revealing production secrets and stuff. But, you know, I'm also, I also respect it. So I don't ever cross it. You know, I tell the line, but I don't cross it. In the beginning, when I first started it, the podcast, I was a little uncomfortable, but it was helpful because Cynthia's my partner was an active cast member and she still is on Atlanta. So she could really drive conversations that I wasn't really ready to go there yet because I was just feeling very sensitive, a la Amanda in my experience at the time. And but now it's been over a year and like, you know, all hell is broken loose.

I don't really care. I don't care if I'm in the headlines. I don't care if anyone's mad at me. People messaged me like housewives all the time. I got one a day like da-da-da-da-da-da. I'm like, okay, because I don't care. Because I don't have to be in that world. And even if I went back in the world, I'm like, I never say things to be hurtful.

I just say things that are true and I can stand by them. And I have just an insider information and insider perspective that I can give. So when people want to know, they have a question about how things work, I can just give it without, you know, without adding any sauce. it's just really just like this is and take her to leave it but I don't hear from production because I don't lie that's what I say. Do you feel like it has kind of given you a voice in a way like it given you your like has it helped you kind of come out more as yourself? Yeah. I'm a pretty chatty out there person. It just that experience made me uncomfortable. So I wasn't inauthentic. I was just authentically freaked out experience. But now going back when I went,

you know, when I did Ultimate Girlstrip, it was such a great, like, toe back in. And everyone's like, oh, my God, you're like, so different. I'm like, no, this is how I am. I just don't care anymore, you know, and that was really fun. But, yeah, like, I just love doing my podcast. And I just, it's just been, like, a dream because I get to be myself. And I'd always said, like, if you don't like me for who I am, I'm fine. The problem was on the show, people hated me for the edit.

And I'm not blaming that it, just meaning whatever you got to pieces that you got to see of me, that was hard to like defend. I had to defend, you know, those kind of snippets and moments where now it's like, I'm just saying, however, I never edit my pod. It's like, if I say crazy things, I don't really care. I'm like, whatever, this is who I am. I take it or leave it. And so that's been kind of an amazing.

It's very cathartic, to be honest. Well, I remember your first episode of Beverly Hills. I don't remember specifically what you said, but you said something that was like really snotty, like right out the gate. and I thought it was hilarious. Do you remember what it was? Yeah, I do. I do.

I said, I think it was about Doreet. If you don't know her, she's not worth knowing. Yeah. You were just saying things like, I have, like, I have this, I have that, like, whatever. It was just, it was so funny. And we're like, oh, my God. I love that they cast a brand new, fresh asshole. But then what was funny was that actually that was not really what your persona was for, like,

your duration of it, which was, that was the surprising part. But it's interesting, too, because you were like, you're very, like, outspoken. You're very chatty. And I do feel like they presented you, like, to be much quieter. And maybe, maybe it was also a different time in your life. And, like, do you think that if you went back to the show that you would have been, you would be like more in the mix in terms of like, in these, certain these conversations, like, you were just describing how, like, like, just stepping in and being like, oh, so why are you getting divorced? It was an awkward position for you to be in as a newbie, but coming in sort of as like a returning veteran, do you think that you would have a different energy or different approach?

Yeah, I think that my personality on the show, like I said, it's not real. And it wasn't sort of a fake edit of me. It was circumstantial. I was going through a loss of many friends because I did the show. And so I remember feeling like, oh, now I'm doing this show. about, you know, friendships, wealth, all, like these things that are very showy. And I'm really, like, not that kind of person. I have, like, a life that might look showy, but I'm not a showy person.

And then I'm also over here with my friends that are, like, dropping me because I'm doing the show. I just was under so much pressure. What was that? What was that about? Was it some? Because the rumors were that somebody, you were friends with somebody who was trying to get on the show, and then you didn't tell them you were trying to.

you were trying to get on the show and then you got on the show and they got mad because they didn't know you were even auditioning for the show. Yeah. So if you go to Humble Bragg, you will listen to the episode 14 friends. I give the entire detail. Oh. So it was not, but I think that's what is. It was, it sounded more interesting that the person wanted the show when I took the show.

No, the person was offered the show many, many times. This was a friend of mine, a very good friend. And her family didn't want her to do it. And, you know, with the show, unless you're a friend of, you, need to show your whole family. And so every year she couldn't do it. And so I would support her as her friend. Like, don't worry. You don't need the show and just like it's not a big deal because it made her sad. And that's what it was. That show. That show sucks anyway. You don't want to do that show. Yeah, that show sucks anyway. That's what it is, you know? And then they offered me the show and I remember

calling her. I was like, here's the deal. And it's like, well, why is it good enough for you? I'm like, this not about good enough. This is about like they offered it to me. And I think that this is the thing for me right now and then the friendship dissolved and then oh that's interesting so that's like when somebody is dating somebody that they're always complaining about and then you're like well fuck that guy and then they get back with the guy and then they're mad at you for saying back about the guy yeah so i said the bad things about the guy and uh and then it became sort of like whose cider you want so that's really what happened and it was so that was happening in real time while i'm filming and i'm supposed to be like snarky and da-da-da and it was just so it was so overwhelming for me because

I just didn't want my friends who are deciding if there are my friends anymore to look at me like I'm being a bitch you know I mean yeah I was trying to be like you're trying to impress two groups yeah yeah I was really focused on my real life oh that's interesting so are you friends with them Irrelevant. I first the most, but not. And to clarify something, was this group, the same group or associated with the famous mom group that was just in the news from Ashley Tisdale? And I'm only half joking because people are asking. And also, didn't you, I think you actually tweeted at us or something like that about you actually know some of the people in that group or was.

So that's not the group. But I made a joke because when Ashley Tisdell did that article is like, oh, well, that's so, 2021. Like I did this. I lost all my friends before. But so that's not my group. I don't know Ashley. But ironically, I do know the other girls. So I feel very conflicted in the situation because I'm friends with the other people. Yet I'm the Ashley Tisdell of the group. So yeah, so that's really what happened. But I kind of made a funny comment. But I texted my friend who's in the group. I was like, because it was on TMZ. That's when it started. And I said, it was not on my 2026 bingo car that you'd be in TMZ before me.

We're losing friends. But no, that's not part of the group. But, yeah, it happens. Like, this is the thing is that it became such a big storyline for me because I was too, like, because I was in it, I couldn't talk about it. You know what I mean? And it was about the show. So it was all fourth wall.

I was like, I'm not talking to my friends because I'm here. Like, that doesn't work. And so it was. It was a really kind of elusive, challenging topic. But I really, I would kind of wish we could have flushed it out if I was like really ready to because look what happened. Ashley. It's like, it is a very common thing. You know, it represents the world.

Yeah. One of the comments in here says, ah, who hasn't been kicked out of a mom's group? They made their emoji. What were the reunions like for you? What was that process? Like, I mean, it always looks incredibly scary and difficult. Oh, it's just horrible. Well, first of all, physically, you're so uncomfortable because you have to sit, like,

at the edge of the chair. And by the way, that's all filming. Like, you can't just, like, slump back and, like, you know, look like a bear. Like, who care? You know, you have to sit on the edge with your legs cross. And, like, so I just would copy everyone, all the girls. And because they're always, like, you know, looking perfect. So, like, sit, you know, like, you know.

And then, because, like, I sit crisscross and, like, whatever. So, but, like, already. So you're just constantly, like, uncomfortable. and taped up and whatever, and you sit there for what feels like, I think it's like 14 hours and like that. And you know that there's going to be packages, right? It's like the crystal package. And it's like they run through all your hell. And then it's like crystal. So it's super stressful. You already, you can, my first season, I mean, I'm like a student. So I prepared. I had maybe 30 pages of notes. It all goes out the window because you don't know what the other person's going to say.

You can assume, but you don't really know where they're at months later. So, you know, you just got. Well, especially when they're Sutton. God knows what's going to come out with her. I don't think you can predict that. Sutton is so unpredictable. I mean, we're good, but man, I'm always like a little on edge. Like, okay, what's going to happen?

Right. But she's the kind of person you have to accept that, right? That's like what is going to happen with you when you're with her. You know, it's always a little, you know. But, yeah, it's really scary. and it moves slow and fast at the same time. You know, it's like when it's your package, it's like, you just don't know what's coming and it's just absolutely awful.

And then everyone gets up for break. Everyone goes to their corners. It's like you're boxing. No one looks at each other. It's very unfriendly. And, yeah. Your sad little boxed, your sad little salad that they got through from the, yes.

But my first season reunion, I, ended up having dinner with Kyle, Rina. I was like so weird. Like, am I on this side of the couch? You know, that kind of thing. Like, you know, but yeah, I was always deer in headlights. But it was. Someone is saying,

oh, go ahead, Ben. I was just going to say, I'm always impressed with the way everyone has recall of the specific things that people say at the reunions. Like, I cannot remember anything that happened last week. Like, I am like, I'm like, remember there was an episode with Crystal. There was something about the esophic. and Anna Marie. Like, it's like a haze for me.

And the way that everyone is able to pull out all this information at a reunion, I would, I would do it terribly at a reunion. No, but I'll tell you. It feels like you have to really recall the whole season. You don't. It really is bullet points. And they focus on really major things.

And like, unless it's like the first half the season, something major, it doesn't really, you don't really go through all those things. Because it's really about where you guys are now. So you kind of reference them, but then it's all about the current.

to fight, you know? And they remind you. I mean, you watch the pack. Like, they have the video screen. You watch the package. And then it's, it's not as challenging. Like, that's why I was prepared too much. I just stopped.

But it's really like, you don't know what's coming. That's new. Yeah. What new stuff are going to fling out of you. Yeah, that's the stuff that you're like, oh, when someone brings like the envelope, you're like, what the fuck's that envelope? You know? Doha in here is asking, does Kyle Richards force?

them to give her first seat every time. Is that contractual? I don't know. I don't know how you would, but I thought it was a funny question, so I wanted to read it. Do you watch traders? Oh, sorry, go ahead. No, oh my God. No, you just got me excited.

I love traders. Do you do? So good, right? So how do you feel about Housewives performance this year on? And by the way, if anybody is watching traders, there could be spoilers. Go fast forward for five minutes. I'll keep a timer on. So stop listening for five minutes.

I don't want to hear it. We are probably going to talk spoilers. Okay, go for it. Yeah. So I caught up last night because I was away all weekend. And I like, and Zoe, my 10 year old's obsessed, obsessed. And so like we need to watch it together. And I was, I'm not going to watch it in a random hotel.

Like I need to like sit in front of the TV. So we watched it last night. Um, I love Candice like already before. I know Candice. And like, I literally texted her because Zoe goes, can Candice be my auntie? And so I texted her. And Zoe, she's like, yes. And like, she's crying.

it and you could really appreciate Renna like this is a perfect space for Renna to be in. And I think that, you know, she had a very tough couple years, the last few years on Housewives when I was there. And, you know, watching her emotional and stuff like that. It's like, I've seen a lot of good side of Renna. And so that was really fun, like, nice to see. That's a thing. That's what's so interesting is like I have, you know, a closer lens to these people that I used to be fans of, you know? And now I'm like, oh, wow, like, I know what she's talking about or I can

read between the lines and whatever. So I do not like Colton. I've said it many times. I know it's just a bag on him, but I just cannot stand him. I find... Fuck that guy. Yeah. Yeah. His eyes are, his crazy eyes. Like, he does. His whole... He has this, like, evil joy. And he's smiling when he does it.

The smug. Oh, I hated that he was right this week. I hated it so much because it's just like, you were right. but like it's just like I don't want to give you credit for that like it's like it happened to be right and then now he's already he's ready to be wrong again and he just like keeps going at it and he just he oh I actually I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm activating myself and I need to like calm myself down I'll wait till like later this week but I get myself very fired up talking about Colton yeah and he was not even in it that much but the smugness and it's like yeah his he's like evil eyes and I know

that there's the counterpart where people say, oh, well, he's just playing a game. I think that there really is a distinction. Like, I think there's really good game players and there's people that, like, I just, I just wouldn't want to hang out with this guy. I just don't. I can appreciate if you, like, I know, Cindy and I always talk about, like, if we were on it together. And, like, she's like, I could never kill you. I'm like, I would kill you. I would keep you close to me. I'd like, kill you so fast. And it's like, not because I'm evil. It's because we have to play a game. I love you, but I'm, I will kill you. But, like, he plays very differently, and I don't like that.

Yeah, I think. And justice for Ron, is it Ron? Yeah, Ron. Well, I think the thing with Colton, that was, like, so frustrating for me and for so many other people was that, like, he was wrong two times in a row stridently so. And his takeaway was not, oh, I should probably rethink how I do this or take a step back. His takeaway was like, well, I'll keep on doing it because I'm not to keep on doing it. Yeah, no, I don't like that. It was like the privilege that was sort of like like underneath that, I think it has really

affected a lot of people. So even when he's right, we're still don't like, we don't care that he's right or being actually a decent like faithful because it's about something deeper for us. But it's also interesting like the inside of getting to see the like the cast clearly is on his side still though. Like what they don't see what we see is an audience. So I wonder what he was like in the house. And that's the thing where I'm like, okay, I don't like.

him when I'm watching him, but also I've been on that side. I've been culted behind the screen, and there's 99% of content we don't get privy to. So I'm like, and they all seem to be listening to him and they respect him. And so I'm like, I'm trying to be a little more balanced. Just I'm being wishy-washy right now that like I'm hating on him even though maybe he was likable. Maybe there's something. Well, I think people just didn't know anything about him. And so he comes in as the Bachelor one. They're always dopey, you know, they're always just dopey, cute guys, and they seem kind of harmless, you know, so I think they just figured, uh, it's, you know, it's some new gay with, with a really orange spray tan and some highlights, you know, like maybe we should just

support him because he's obviously new and they're just kind of not paying that much attention to him. I think they're paying more attention to the bigger personalities. He's just kind of a little Matt, you know. But also like the, the, I think the big takeaway that we have gotten from being Bravo podcasters is that like ultimately you just have to respond to what you see on screen and you treat it all, as Ronnie always says, like cartoon characters. Because almost across the board, almost every single person we've met from Bravo or other shows has been totally cool, has been a very chill, fun person. I mean, yes, maybe they put on something for us because we're podcasters. but generally speaking, most people are pretty chill.

So like whenever we are like, oh, God, I can't stand Colton. Really what's implied is, for me, is like what we're seeing of Colton. Yeah, then we can go and meet him. And then he's like, this nice guy. And I'm like, oh, no, I feel bad. I know, I know. So that's why we have to just, that's a disclaimer. Like, I don't like what I see on camera.

And I'm sure he was fine. But like, I just, yeah, just don't like, I don't like what I see on camera. Yep. Same, same sister. By the way, you have a cookware line. You were just starting to tell us that right before we went. Can you tell me? And this is not even to be like a commercial for you.

I'm like actively interested in this because I love to cook. Thank you. Yeah, it came out around Christmas. It's only been a month. And we are almost sold out, which is crazy. But I have another round coming in February, but you can find out Amazon. So I actually went to culinary school and back, yes, in my 20s. And, you know, I co-founded Real Cocoa Coconut Water and that's been our business, you know, the last 13 years.

And so the food space has been really my career. And I've always thought about doing a cookware line. And I finally did, which is funny because no one knows that from the show. But that's fine. But I finally came out with, I actually filmed a lot. I actually filmed a lot of my business and nothing. Because the water was never shown. And people think that that's because of the Bethany Clause or whatever,

where Bravo would take a portion of your proceeds or whatever, or your profits or whatever. But is that why it was that they never showed it? So I will say Bravo has no piece of my company because why would I give them a piece of my company? Yeah. That was around for, you know, 10 years prior. But I did film it.

They didn't air it. So if that was part of it, that's not on my side. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, they didn't tell you that. Like you give us your money. You give us your money for protection. Exactly. So I filmed it.

And for me, it wasn't really about the promotion. Because I remember at the time, it was like, oh, I'm going to, I don't want to be like the Ramona toaster oven. Like, you actually have to be careful. Like, the business is, is that what it is? Oh, Sonia. Yeah, yeah. Same to me. But like, you have to be careful. It's not like every business that goes on housewives is going to be positive. So it's not like you want to push. I mean, this company has existed for a very long time. So I was a little bit reluctant, you know, but like that's probably smart, actually. Yeah, you have to be careful. Because you see how people get if they don't like something you said on TV and then they'll go on your Yelp or whatever and be like, her water sucks anyway. It's poison my child, you know. Exactly. So, but, you know, but, you know, but, you know, No, it is what it is.

But anyway, so I started this cookware line, and it's been amazing. It's all ceramic. There's, it's really, really safe to use. There's no toxic chemicals. And it comes with, it's a 14-piece collection. It's like $219. I wanted it to be super affordable. And it's, yeah, it's all five-star reviews on Amazon.

So I'm really proud of it. But it's made, it's a, I partnered with Bach and Swiss. a European company. And in Europe, their standards for safety are just much higher than the States. And so that was important for me. You know, like, you think about, like, as a mom and when you have kids, like, you're so so picky about what you give your kid. Everyone reads labels and does that. But then as you grow up, you're like, as an adult, you don't do that for yourself, you know? And it starts from what you put in your body, right? Your food. So I'm like, why not have a cookware line that, you know, you're cooking for your kids. You're cooking for

yourself and there's so much microplastics in the world. There's so much toxins. And I mean, the food that we eat is really, you know, it can be a problem, though I do love my McDonald's fries. I was going to say at least Domino's is organic. Yeah, exactly. But, you know, it starts from the home. And it's really, it's an inexpensive way to start in a healthy way with your body for the day. And so that's why I did it. And I just cooking for me coming from a, a Chinese family that ate dinner at the table every single night. My dad was a doctor, came home. My mom had Chinese soup or something for him to eat every night. And that was a great upbringing for me. You know, I have a lot of great memories for that. And it was, I was cooked with my grandma.

And so, yeah, that's my cook early. Yeah. I've always enjoyed your cooking videos on, on Instagram. I remember you once did something like tofu, like a sizzling oil on top and herbs. And I was like, I would like to make that, please. Yes. So I love that. I love that aspect of you. I'm sorry that it wasn't on the show. That's such a bummer.

It's okay. You know what? But that's the beauty of Housewives and being on this platform is that it really doesn't end. I remember feeling like I will, when it was over, I did that video of like, I'm leaving.

It was like, you just be your invisible cloak suddenly goes on top of your head and you're like gone forever. And you're just not. You know? And I think that was really nice about ultimate girls trip it's like wow there's it's really not many i think there's 22 beverlyle's housewives ever 23 maybe and so you're like oh wow this is kind of a special existence and a special experience that only so few of us

have and with that comes like how we really know each other through jeff lewis and stuff like that you know we got to be on a show and you know and it's just the connections don't end you know it just keeps going so that's that's great right on well it's so good to talk to you I know you have to get out of here and go to dinner and soccer pick up. Yeah, exactly. So have fun. It was great. Finally, many of you.

This was so cool. I can't wait to reconnect with you again after this and have the best time tonight. And yeah, we'll catch you in the future. Yeah, great to talk to you, Crystal. We'll see you later. Bye, Crystal. Bye, everybody. Check out Crystal's podcast, Humble Bragg.

Find her on Instagram at Crystal Kung Minkoff. Spelled the correct way without a G like me. It's fixed. I did. I fixed that one. I had to call it up because I knew people would say, you guys have a typo. And I was like, let me address it. The elephant in the room. Otherwise, you know, I am the elephant in the room. You're both the elephants.

It was cool to talk to her. Elephants. I know. She's so awesome. We, you know, she's sent us messages over the years. And she's always been super cool. And we're so excited. We didn't even, I don't, did we mention, did you mention the top of the show that Crystal will be joining us for the Golden Crappies later this month?

this month, which is very cool. So we'll see her again shortly. Commercials. Here comes one right now. There's still so much Bravo gossip to talk about. So much stuff. Why don't we just like start right away with the big news that dropped over the weekend that the original Roney cast is basically signing a deal with E to do a show.

And I think the details, Ramona has been teasing on Twitter today. Whoa, you can find all the details tomorrow. Okay. What say you, Ronnie? How do you feel about this plan? Who do you want to be the six housewife? Everything. Just lay it all on me.

Well, E is so crazy. Are they redoing E? I think they must be overhauling E or something, right? Because does it finish on E? What's on there? Is that what that those new girls? What's their name? The Nader girls?

Is that what they're on? I don't know. I mean, so there's a. interesting thing happening with NBC Universal at large, which is that they've spun off all of their basic cable offerings, but kept Bravo. And they spun it off into this other entity. And it's a way to cut losses. But I'm like, are they still linked? So is this new show on E?

It might not be Bravo, but is it still part of the family, actually? I don't really know. Nader girls on Hulu. Thank you guys. Go ahead. Oh, thanks, everyone. But I think this is a smart play for E. And I think it's because whether you felt like these women should have been fired,

whether you felt like some of them should have been on the reboot, some of them shouldn't be, whatever it is. The point is that like these women have all been in the community's consciousness for a few years now. And he is like, you know what, we'll just scoop them up and we'll do our own show. My only fear is that he sometimes does really schlocky shows, and I would really hate for it to be a shlocky one. Well, I'm sure that they're going to run ramshot over whoever's trying to do it anyway and kind of to do what they're used to doing. But we'll see.

Right now it's Luann, Sonia, Jill, Kelly, and Ramona. Kelly, what? Jill? I don't know. No, Daryinda. No, you know, obviously no, Bethany. I think Dorenda is rumored to,

well, not rumored. I guess we know now that she's doing her show in the Berkshires, whatever that's going to be. She's got her own show coming out about her Berkshire's place. So she's not doing it. So that's weird. And then the addition of Kelly's, Ellie and I guess Jill, we've seen Jill with them.

So, you know, Jill's still thirsty enough to try and make some, some good TV. But I don't know. Can I say something? So I was, I was going around in my Dropbox yesterday. And I found the, the Jill interview, which is on our feed, where we, Jill's Aaron came on as a guest to watch her crappins, like episode 39, like a long time ago. And to record it, like. like we had to do like a screen record. And it was you did the screen recording.

And so this whole, you hear the whole episode, but it's a screen, but it's like a video of you, Ronnie. And it is the funniest thing, because you're sitting there the entire time, be like, ah. And you're like, oh. And you're like annoyed and you're like, and you're doing all these faces

and you're readjusting and you're like bored to tears. Just like, uh-huh. And you'll hear her be like, I mean, it's actually crazy. It's crazy. Oh, like, here comes Ali. Look at Ali. She looks gorgeous. My dog is gorgeous.

No way. Just girl you've ever seen. Okay. And there's Ginger. Ginger, she's such a beautiful dog. Okay, so anyway, with Hamptons, you know, the thing is the producers, they don't have, they don't respect all the time. They never do. They never have been.

And you're just sitting there like, I have never, to this day. And that was right when we started. I've never to this day been that annoyed again doing this podcast. No one is ever annoying. I had no idea. That's a screen recording. We put it in our drop box because I have to see that. Yeah.

But the other thing that's so funny is that, like, you're also like trying to get comfortable too. Like it's clear that you're like uncomfortable in your position. Because I'm in my mom's, I'm in my mom's guest room, right? I think I'm in a bed. I remember it being when I was at my parents' house and I was in their guest room and I was lying on this bed trying to get comfortable. So I kept moving over and I have the mic in my hand and she was just going nonstop. And we ended up being on the phone with her. Like the interview was maybe 30 minutes and we were on the phone with her for like an hour and a half because when it when it stopped, we kept talking. It's like, here's what you got to do. The bloggers.

That's what it's all about. It's all about the bloggers. You got to get me back. You got to get me back on. What are we going to do, boys? And then she started just going on. And then that's when she really started telling us all the gossip and stuff and stop talking about her fucking dog and her daughter. Wait, hold on.

I'm just got to show a little clip of it. A little clip. Here it is. 14 years ago. See, yes, that is the bed in my mom's guest room. I'm lying. You. You're not even listening.

Listen to her. I can't hear her. I don't think the sounds coming through. Oh, I'm sorry. I just see myself. You know what? Like, good, because I'm hearing her. Oh, like, here's another shot of you.

Oh, my God. If you could only just hear, I mean, she's, and she's literally prattling on like, nah, na, na, na, na, na, nah. Like and how long they last. There it is. Now, if we were to be in New York, would be, and we popped into Zarin fabrics, would we see you working behind the counter?

Are you not there anymore because you're so busy? Look at your face. Someone else. Bethany, I brought on the show. And Alex, no one knew. She was cast for another show that didn't happen. So they moved her into the show. And that's why she was the outsider for many reasons.

Not only did she live in Brooklyn. She just goes and goes. She was much younger than us, but she also didn't fit in on social. I'm like reading my phone at this point. to be, you know, four against one. So, but now you've got these, you know, three girls against three singles who are not friends. Like, it would have been okay if the three singles were friends of each other. So then it would be three friends against three friends.

Okay, can I ask you one, one question? Go ahead, Ben. Oh, no. We're going into hour two, right? No, hour two. I was just say this, then Matt, you can ask you a question. Okay. All right, all right.

So anyway, that was when Matt was with us, our third co-host. And going into it, because, I, I think this was like our first person that we ever interviewed or second, maybe second. But we, you know, we didn't know. You know, we were just doing this for, you know, for free for fun to publicize our blog on fucking iPods. Okay. That's what we were doing.

Yes. And so we didn't really think about it. But before we were like, okay, how do we do an interview? You know, let's take turn asking questions. And let's not go easy. You know, like we don't have to be hard hitting. And Matt's like, yeah, we're not going to go easy. This is, we're journalists or whatever.

And then we press record and Matt's immediately like, oh my God, I love you. What if we came to, you'll get into fabrics? What if we came to your house? Like, he made totally. That was the funniest thing. Matt was so funny. He's like, well, I'm here right on. And we really did have that conversation.

But that was when I came across that video, I was not because she's just going. And at one point, you do hear out in the background of the dog is going off. And you were just sitting there so, like, disinterested. Like, I don't want to be here. That's where the term shut up mountain came from because the next day we were going. I was going on. I was like, shut up. I mean, after that whole conversation, I was still the next day all out of sorts. And I hadn't worked on my temper at that point.

Believe it or not, this is a healed. This is a healedish me. This is like version 10 of me. Anyway, that's hilarious. Wow. It was so funny. Just one thing to add to the Rony situation is that Bethany apparently chimed in. And you're like, you know what I think?

I think it's savage. I think it's savage. I think they'll kick ass. Bethany seems to be actually very much in favor of this. And she loves that the girls said, fuck Bravo. We're going to do it on our own. I actually kind of love it too.

I'm not going to lie. I think it's great. Why is it around begging for someone to validate yourself worth and just go to another network and do a new show? Why not? That's true. But it is also an NBCU show, right? So I think what Bravo is doing is like,

we'll get in trouble if we put you back on the air. So why don't you go over there and then we can still put it on Bravo. You know how they do with each show. They're like, oh, watch House of Villains or whatever. So that's probably what they're thinking. Yeah. Yeah, she said, wow, you know what? I think it's fucking fantastic.

E-came in Savage, barracuda style. And they said, these bitches aren't expires. So you know what? Let's put them back on the fucking shelf. Just do it. Do it. So if anyone ever wants to have food at Bethany's place, you know what? This food?

It's still good. Put it back on the shelf. Like, it was in the trash. Now, put it back in the shelf. I like that Bethany thinks she's, complimenting something, but makes it sound like dollar store vegetables, you know? You know what? It's got about 30 seconds left to live.

Sell it. Someone will buy it. Discount it. Oh, man. What else? Fun times. Let's see here. There was a lot. Something crazy was Garcel Beauvais was swatted. Did you read that? Yeah.

Awful. Fucking crazy. There were gunshots reported at her house, which was bullshit, and she got swatted. That's crazy. Oh, another Bethany. I have to hand it to Bethany for keeping herself in the news no matter what. She's got the best PR person because it's always, every time we do this, there's like three Bethany stories. And I have to put someone because they're just so funny. Bethany Frankel celebrates launch of new private dating platform, the core.

Everybody wants everybody else to win. You know what? It's the core. That's it. Dating is broken and I'm fixing it. What are you talking about you're fixing it? You're broken. Yeah.

I am not. It's like asking a broken toaster to fix an oven. Like, that's exactly right. I mean, I'm just not turning to Bethany Franklin for relationship advice. You know what? I would actually, I would rather have a show that Ramona leads than Bethany. Because Ramona was right about Bethany and her relationships on the Brooklyn Bridge. And so at least she has that level of EQ that she can at least sense how a relationship will go.

But Bethany, I just don't. I don't know. Like, I cannot, I can't take dating advice or, or stewardship from Bethany. It's odd. So the core, it's a private dating membership site designed to connect people seeking intentional aligned relationships with the goal of finding a life partner. Because operating more like a private co-op or a members club than a traditional dating app, the platform emphasizes community.

Okay, we're going to find you a man and we're going to remind you to put your trash cans behind the curb before Tuesday. Okay. Look what do you? My h-o my dating HOA? Get the hell out of here. I know like it's fine. It's still just going to be guys just trying to hook up with girls like it'll be you'll have some women on there who are like I am the CFO of a major corporation and I'm looking for a man who can match my energy and the guy will be like here's a dick pick. You just know that's what's going to be like. That's a matter what Bethany says guys are just going to be ridiculous. Yeah. So you know what guys as you go forward in your week remember it's going to be okay. Bethany's got your back. Give your heart to Bethany Frankel and the core. Core, Core, Core 4. All right, thanks so much to Ms. Crystal Gangmingal for joining us tonight. Don't forget to get your tickets for the crappies, February 27th at watchwattcrapins.com. And also go there for Wednesday's release of the first ballot, first round of voting for the Crappy Awards.

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