Watch What Crappens - #3242 Bonus: Rob Has a Podcast/Watch What Crappens Crossover

Episode Date: March 4, 2026

Psyched to welcome Survivor and Traitors star @RobCesternino from Rob Has a Podcast @rhapgrams for a @watchwhatcrappens Crossover Event with @RonnieKaram and @BenMandelker. We talk all things Traitors then jump into Survivor 50 gameplay chat. To watch this recap on video, listen to our bonus episodes, and get ad free listening, go to Patreon.com/watchwhatcrappens. Find bonus episodes at patreon.com/watchwhatcrappens and follow us on Instagram @watchwhatcrappens @ronniekaram @benmandelker Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Well, hello and welcome to watch what crappence. I'm Ronnie. That's Ben. And today, it's not just watch what crappins. It's also... Rob is a podcast, and I'm Rob Sestrino. I'm so thrilled to be back together. Oh, my God, Rob. Yes.

This is a thrill. I'm specifically excited, not just obviously as a fan of traders and survivor, but also, like, we go back about 20 years or so. Yes, yes. Well, once a decade I like to collaborate. So I'm so happy to be back together. And congrats on all your success. You too. Yeah.

I mean, what people may not realize is that back in the heady days of 2004 or 2005, Ronnie and I were doing TV GASM and you were doing the fishbow. And we'd see each other at these like reality show event things in L.A. all the time, you know. And that was like a whole different world back then. We made it. This is so great. We survived also. We're alive.

We made it through. True survivors. We still working. Yeah. Yeah. You made it all the way through that time into podcasts actually matter now, which is crazy. Yeah. Right.

Right. And you guys are so successful. And the only place where I have you beat is that there's only one of me. So I don't have to split the money like you do have to. Oh. Oh, we've both got murdered. plans, I'm sure. We're taking life insurance out on each other over here. But also, let's not diminish your accomplishments.

I mean, you have built an amazing empire over on your end. We sort of have our own areas of reality TV. You know, like we're over on the problem. The traders brings us together. It actually does. It does. So for our listeners, Rob, you're covering Survivor. You do Big Brother 2.

Do you do just all the CBS reality? I would say the competition reality show. So anything that's a game. with their strategy. That's the stuff that we really, but Survivor is number one. And the traders has been so huge. And we do a lot of Big Brother coverage all season long. So really anything that's a strategy game. Yes. Big Brother is a bear too to keep up with that. You know, we've had seasons where we've done Big Brother. And that is not an easy one to keep up with, especially when the season sucks or something, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Which has been the case recently quite a bit.

this last one was good i don't know how closely you follow you know you know we'll get onto that but like uh i've heard that this last one was a really good season but you know what what we're going to do is we're going to do first half of this episode we're going to talk traitors and we're to talk to rob about both you having now been on it and also from as you as a commentator about these sort of games and then the second half we're going to do something that is we're I personally really excited about we're going to talk Survivor. Ronnie, are you excited

for Survivor? Yeah. Listen, I've watched tons of Survivor seasons. I used to do videos called Survivor in Two Minutes where I would make these comedy videos and just do the whole episode in two minutes. I used to be obsessed, but these shows just go on forever. I mean, that it's season 50. At some point,

I just had to. I know a lot of the people on this one, though. I remember Coach and I remember, and he's exactly the same, which is hilarious. He's got like a Bravo thing going on where he's coming on. He's like, oh, it's two point oh, it's like a different, it's a different coat. Nah. 4.0.

Yeah. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, I've seen a couple of his. So yeah, I'm pretty into Survivor. I just, I can take a decade off at a time. This is like a 3.1. This is like a little bit of an update from the last one. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, I do like the incremental, like a 1.2. This is like the patch. No one has a patch. They just have a new system software. I've changed my font. That's it. Okay, so let's start with the traders. And of course, the question I have to ask.

Yeah. Because I feel, and you probably answered it on your podcast. And if you're like with us, we are so consumed with Bravo that we never get to, you know, really listen to too many other pop culture podcasts. So apologies to your listeners. That's okay. You don't know everything I've ever said before. Okay. But like the burning question for me is how was the traders experience?

different than the survivor experience for you? So the trader's experience is so bizarre because you go there and it's not necessarily like survivor where it's like, hey, okay, I'm going to get my people and, okay, I know I have the numbers and I'm in a group and I'm safe where on the traders, if you're a faithful, you're never really safe. And even if you have numbers that somebody in your numbers could be wanting to kill you or you said the wrong thing to the wrong person. And so there's so many different ways where you screwed up.

And even if you didn't screw up, somebody thinks you might not screw up. And then they could just end you like that. So Survivor is an easier game to play, I think, than the traders, where the traders is just, there's so much randomness to it. Yeah. Yeah. I, some of my friends, I'm a huge board gamer. and I play a lot of these social deduction games, et cetera,

and a lot of my board game friends struggle with the traitors because they feel like the faithful don't have any way to get any good real information. And so they're just sort of scrambling. And so for them, the strategy side of that is like really, really hard. And I can imagine that idea of like just going into this game and you think you're doing well. And then you're just, you are just like snuffed out in a second

because you said the wrong thing to the wrong person and you had no idea. I mean, I personally love that as a viewer. I think it's like, it's a great TV show. As a game, it's probably not as elegantly designed as Survivor, which is really just such a perfect game in terms of in its purest form. But the Traders is meant to be a spectacle first. And there is a game that's being played more so by the Traders where the Faithful that if they can avoid. the purge of just being picked off by the traders,

that there are a lot of things that the faithful can do later on in the game, but they just don't have as much control over their fate as the traders do or as a player might have on Survivor or Big Brother. Well, yeah, I mean, as far as the gameplay goes, you see how much it hurts you to have a kind of gamer brain because you had it figured out pretty, I mean, right before you got kicked off or murdered. Yeah. You got banished, right?

I got murdered. I got murdered in plain sight, Ronnie. Yes, yes, yes, that's right. You got murdered. You figured it out. You're like, Congolide, Candice, let's go. And then you were dead. Yeah, and you were the only one that knew that a murder of plain sight was probably

happening. When Candice started up that conga line, it was, for us as viewers, it's like, this is the most random thing ever. And it did not strike anyone as strange? Did it strike you as strange that she was doing that? Well, it did strike me as strange. I know that she has said that, you know, she, for whatever, reason that she wanted to do a conga line. I'm not sure why that that was a thing, but she had been

talking about it for like a day or so of like, we should do a conga line in the castle. Nobody's ever done that before. But I was already thinking, okay, there's a murder in plain sight is happening. And then once I was looking for anything that was weird or out of the ordinary. And then the conga line started. I'm like, wait, that is actually very weird that that was happening right now. And so I hid from the conga line because I thought that that was maybe the thing the traders were doing of like whoever is the first person in the conga line is going to be the murdered person, which was actually better than what actually was happening, where it was like, hey, actually know that somebody's going to just burn your card in the fireplace. But I was very concerned about that. And then I maybe

not so smartly then was like, I got to warn people about this. The traders are trying to kill people. Candace, they're going to kill us tonight. And so. So I tried to warn Candace about the murder in plain sight. But I was already dead at that point. They already threw my card in the fireplace. I was going to say, did you, have you talked to, okay, well, that's interesting. Because I think the way it was presented was that you had said something, it looked like you had said something beforehand and the card had happened afterwards.

But you were already burned. So they had already made the decision. So what they presented in the show. And again, I wasn't there. So I don't know exactly if this was how it played out. but Rob and Lisa were making the decision of what to do. I was with Candace and then they went and threw my card in the fireplace. And Candice didn't know who they ended up killing that night.

And so she was sweating bullets that, oh, I hope they killed Rob C because he figured this stuff out. And then she was very relieved when it was me. Oh, bummer. So a big article came out today after. the reunion on vulture saying no more housewives on traders and that is very um that is a big controversy every season on traders when i'm reading the reddit threads people having a fit about the housewives i mean such a fit i look at it and i think you know you the gamers are pretty dramatic as well i mean

i feel like there's a lot of drama queens with the gamers as well um i mean jam jam jam obviously you you're kind of a drama queen last night you what or this weekend this uh On the reunion, you told Jam Jam, he was a pick me girl. I didn't call him a girl. I didn't say he was a girl. A pick me, a pick me faithful or whatever. Pick me faithful. Yeah.

So I think you guys have your drama too. So I say unfair. Damn, you vulture. Take it back. Yeah. And also, just to read, just to clarify, not to clarify, but to add on to, here's a quote from the blurb that was because none of us were willing to pay the paywall. It said, podcasters. Cheap ass podcasters.

No, I'm like, I'll just, we'll just use what we think. Listen, this is what they put out there, okay? So the author is Joe Reed. Yeah. And he says, after last week's lackluster reunion, which by the way, they've all been lackluster. This is the fourth lackluster reunion in a row. Actually, the first season didn't even have one, I don't think.

But after last week's last lackluster reunion, it became clear that the housewives don't want to play the traitors. They want to play the real housewives of the Highlands and have arguments. that spill out into social media, then meet up for a housewives style of reunion, which I would argue is all reunions on reality TV, with their patron Andy Cohen. The contrast of the season couldn't have been clearer.

Rob Rosh played a near perfect game while Lisa and Candice made mistakes and then spent the better part of two months telling any Instagram follower or podcast host who would listen about how they were betrayed in a game that's literally a game, the name of the game. So what are your thoughts on this blazing hot take? Yeah, I have gotten to see the fan bases of battle a little bit,

especially on Twitter, where that the strategy fans are saying like, oh, the housewives, they don't get it, and Lisa and Candice are being bitter. And then the Housewives fans being like, okay, the gamers are ruining things, and Rob shouldn't have done what he did. And first off, I think, that you need both of these things for the traders to work. And I do think that the reason why it's so

successful is it, it's, it is this Avengers of reality TV where the housewives bring in they really, they put a lot of the asses in the seats for this thing. Because if this, if you didn't have housewives on the traders, it would

not be nearly as popular. And I think that it's no coincidence that the second season, when Fadre was a traitor, that was the season that the show really became a juggernaut. So first up, you need the housewives for the trade. You can't do the traders without the housewives. I did think that some of the things that Lisa and specifically Candice were saying about the game that Rob played, that I don't think that Rob did anything that wasn't above board in the traders. I would agree with that. I thought that was super

low of Candace to come on and accuse him of cheating blatantly. And it was it was so stupid. You know, for those of you who didn't see it, she was saying, well, I heard that you told Rob or you told Colton that I was a traitor. Well, dummy, even if he did, it wouldn't matter. It would only matter if he said, she's a traitor. I love Candace. I know that because I'm a traitor. Well, I know. I thought that was a nothing burger. She did not really have anything there. But I think that what I saw there at the reunion show, and I hadn't ever been to any of these reunions with the housewives was that you're be talking to them and they're all normal and then they go into like reunion mode.

And so that they are like they're working it and so they're doing their thing. They know what the assignment is. If you thought it was lackluster with that, it would have been even more boring if they were just like hey, you know, tip my cat. That guy was good.

And 100% would have been. And I think what Joe Reed seems to be missing from what I can tell here is. And I know Joe Reed's. And a nice guy. Is Jareed a, is he a Housewives fan? Do you know or does he, does he watch the Housewives?

I think he's more of a strategy show fan. So, right, that's what comes through to me, which is that what Housewives fans, what we all love, is the excitement of these crackling personalities coming together. These sharp-tonged women who've had to kind of get by with their sharp tongues and their wits. and clashing. And I think it's actually there's an interesting parallel with Survivor where I feel like

or maybe earlier seasons of Survivor people just focus so much on those who had Braun, you know? And like I think in later seasons we have come to really appreciate those who can be a little sneakier and those who are really can use their wits. And like what I like about having the housewives

on there is because we know what sort of personalities they have. We know that when they are, if they're put on the hotspot they're going to defend themselves. in interesting and entertaining ways. And it's exciting to see them being thrown in the mix. And so when he says, when Joe Reid says,

oh, they just want to have arguments that spill it onto social media, they're not trying to have arguments to spell it on social media. That's just, they are just used to the fact that that's the area where they litigate things. And so to be like, oh, they just want to have arguments. I think it's actually so dismissive of a whole element of this game because so much of this game, Yes, it's about strategy, but it's not purely about strategy, in my opinion. All these games, traitors, any mafia, all these games are about how you interact with people in your social game. And the housewives, like, their strength is the social game, theoretically.

And so I just feel like it's totally, I think, I feel like this is, it just totally dismisses a really valuable component of the game to just be like, oh, whatever with the housewives sorting fights. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappence commercial. The problems that may have happened with this season, if you have any issues, like I don't think it has to do with that there were too many housewives on the cast. If anything, it was more of an issue of the faithfuls not being able to put things together and be able to crack what was going on towards the end of the season. And it really was an exciting end of the season.

So I don't feel like that there was any issue with the housewives being so prominent in the season. I think that the show, and I was the biggest person to be a, it came at my expense, if anything, where I ended up being murdered early because there was payback from that the housewives had been taken out so early in previous seasons. They got power. And it was a lot of like, hey, let's take out the gamers in this season. But the show needed to do that. It was like sends of the father.

Yeah. The show needed to do that because it was getting too much where, well, we know the survivor is a traitor. We know a Big Brother person is a traitor. And so they showed this season they could do anything. I would actually love. So when you were talking about the game, you know, not being as good as a game as a game, you know, a survivor,

what improvements would you make to the format of the game? Like have you thought, I'm sure you thought about it. I've thought about it a little bit. I think that they need to do more for the faithful to be able to protect themselves where, that things like, I don't know, maybe if you get a traitor out, then the traders don't get to murder

or there could be more ways that players could get shields and try to protect each other. I know it's sort of like a werewolf type game. Then maybe there could be like a doctor type character

who is somebody who could protect one of the faithfuls. If they think they know who the traders are going to murder, could they try to save a person? So I think that The faithful are often just sitting ducks. And so that the traders are looking, okay, who are the people who are the smartest people? And then let's try to get rid of them and try to drag all of the people who are never going to figure it out to the end.

And sometimes that could be not as exciting to watch. Yeah, I think that like the, you know, I play, have you ever played the resistance or resistance Avalon? It's kind of like, it's kind of one of these games, you know. and a lot of a common thing in whether it's resistance or mafia or werewolf or blood on the clock tower yeah there's like someone who knows like for sure who one of the traders is essentially but if they just are like I know it's this person then they are going to be at high risk of getting getting murdered so they have to like sort of like show that they know the information but they can't be too crazy about it and makes a really great tension and like when the treaters

premiered, or not premiered, but after that first season, I was like, oh my goodness, this format is so ripe for so many interesting variations because you can start adding in secret roles that these games all have. You can have a season where it's like, it is all housewives and the turrets or it is all survivor people and you can mix and match. But like I think like aside from adding roles and things like that, hidden roles where people have special powers, I think the number one thing they've got to do is they've got to tighten up their approach to the competition. because they just don't carry any weight for the audience. And also I think it's the thing we all care the least about.

If there were an element where the traders were actively in every single mission working to sabotage the ability to get shields, like if the mission fails or if this thing doesn't happen, then no one gets shields, then that means that the faithful could look at the behavior of people in those missions and use that as actual you know, building blocks to building arguments and breadcrumbs towards things. That's a really good point. I think a lot of people throw out the idea of like, well, the traders should be trying to prevent them from getting money like it's the mole. But to have them be able to prevent the players from getting shields is actually something that they would want. And it's also, oh, that this person blocked me. I think that person's a traitor. So it could lead to more interesting discussion at the roundtable.

because a lot of times the roundtable stuff where it gets ugly is sort of like, you seem like a trader. You, I think you said something the wrong way. So maybe if they had like a little bit more to go off of like that the discussion would be a little bit more substantive at the roundtable. I don't know how much you're allowed to talk about of stuff that didn't really air. But there was a lot of controversy this season. Well, a couple things. First was the Donna Kelsey secret trader thing. and why she was so quiet.

A lot of people online were speculating that she was, they just got her off early because she ratted herself out basically and told somebody she was a traitor. Is there any truth to that? I mean, I hadn't heard that. I think that Donna Kelsey was probably not really thrilled to be a trade. My read on it was that Donna was out of her comfort zone. She was a traitor. It was not a thing that I think that she necessarily wanted.

it was sort of like randomly that we're going to make one person a trader. I got the sense that she didn't necessarily want to be that person and then she was doing it by herself and I think that she was like overly cautious. I think she would have been better off if she was one of the

normal traders and had like a support system but I think that she was a little bit just not ready for being having that role and having to be by herself and make those calls. Yeah. Another one was this Dorinda versus Ron.

Ron's stuff because Ron once he came off the show you know we saw some of it where she was saying you know you don't ask us to be a lot of families and stuff Ron he's like I don't give a fuck about your family so we saw some of that stuff but after you know he's been doing a lot of media and a lot of sets you know as a comedian talking about the show and suggesting that there was a lot worse side of Durinda that they kept editing out and that Durinda said a lot of really problematic stuff to him and you know there's been a lot of stuff like that going to online. Did you feel like there was a lot of stuff that was left on the editing floor with those two?

I mean, I wish I knew. I was home when all that stuff was happening. So, I don't know. So, I definitely got that Ron feels that way in terms of how, uh, that he got from Dorinda. I don't think that he would make that up.

But I also haven't heard from a lot of the people. Oh my God. That Dorinda was horrible to Ron when we were there. So. you didn't see a lot of like Durinda acting up that, no, if anything, Derinda from season three to season four, and you guys are the Durinda experts,

I don't know if Derinda seems like that she's totally just like chill and Zen. And I mean, other than saying to Ron, you didn't ask anybody about their families, Derinda was very quiet and was not at all like the person that we saw in season three come back, from the mission and start yelling at everybody. And maybe it was an adjustment, but I don't know.

I think it was. I think it was an adjustment. And that's why I was like sad that she got murdered because I wanted her to be on the hot seat because I felt like if she would been on the hot seat, then we would have seen that Dyrinda. And it was definitely an anticlimactic second run for her for us because we were like, we were so upset that we got like a sliver of her. last season. And so when they brought her back, we're like, yes, now we're going to see Dorinda.

And she's going to be, you know, she's going. Oh, yeah. You want to see Durinda. You know, you want to see Gerinda going cray, cray, cray. Yeah, but actually she was really, like, on the defense. Like, she had a few words with more, uh, but it was really sad to see that. It was sad to see Portia go out early too. And I think actually seeing how, see Porsche at the reunion, you really could imagine like, oh, she would have had, she would have just been just so fun to watch, you know, on this show and seeing her deal with people. You know, that was like a, that was a gut punch to lose portion. Well, and so many of them that they got, that were eliminated early were just good.

I mean, you, Ian, poor Ian didn't get to do anything ever. Yeah. I know. Yeah, for Ian. What did you think about the, the Donna Kelsey twist, by the way, in general? Did you think that's a good twist? So when I found out what it was, like, kind of how it all worked, I actually do think it could be something interesting where,

I felt like it was a little bit of like a cat and mouse game between the secret trader and the real traitors where that the real traders, like I can imagine a world where they're getting pissed. Like they're not giving us the people that we want to murder. Like if the secret trader was like really messing with these people and like giving them only like their friends, it's like, oh, I don't want to kill them. Like it could be something. I just thought that with, you know, when it wasn't really a fair fight to have Donna versus. the three traders, who I think in their own way, were all pretty capable when they were working together as a group. They were pretty formidable, those three.

And then once the wheels came off, it fell apart. Yeah. Yeah. I liked it as a viewer personally. I enjoyed that, you know, we had no idea who it was. Because, you know, for the past few seasons, I love that we know who the traders are. And you have this amazing tension.

But sometimes you think, imagine what would this game be like if I didn't know? So to have just like one, was like I thought really fun and I hope they I would love to see them try it again and see if it if it sort of pops more the second time but I enjoyed the guessing game just as a spectator

yeah it was something that they tried that to speak to your point that they really were trying to give you that okay so when you're at home you don't know when they go stand in the circle of truth are they gonna say they're a traitor or a faithful can you figure it out at home but I don't think that you really

ever could have figured it out at home because I feel like that they weren't giving you a ton of clues as to what to what to be looking for. Well, it's kind of the fundamental problem in the game for me is that there's no real clues. You know, there's no clues for anything. So it's just basically a guessing game to the end unless people are super dramatically acting suspiciously. Yeah. It's, you know, it's kind of a carnival game. But eventually, like for the faithful, if you can make it past like the initial couple of rounds that you could say, okay, why? did this person do this? How come when we brought this person's name up? Why are they defending this person? And then especially, yeah, and then it starts to snowball. Then once you get that first trader, it's like, okay, why this person voted with this person? Okay, why did this person vote for this person? And so I do think that there's a lot of ways it can unravel for the traders once you get a couple of rounds in,

but it's always going to be a little unfair for those first couple of people who end up getting murder just for whatever reason. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so if you had, if you had made it deeper into the game. Yeah. Two part question. Do you think you would have been able to suss out Rob?

And second of all, do you think you would have been able to discern that Candice was leaving a breadcrum? Because one of my pet peeves on the season was how she left the biggest breadcrumb in my, from my vantage point, from a lot of. lot of people's vantage point and no one seemed to really, you know, do anything with it. Listen, I was not on Rob's trail when I was there. He seemed like he was not even interested in being there. He was like in the fridge eating cookies, like getting drinks. Like he was in the very beginning of the game not doing anything that I thought was suspicious. But as the game went

along. You had those two big votes that Candice put where Candice was like, it's just it's just random. And then she votes for him again. But also the fact that he has the dagger and then he doesn't end up being murdered. And it's like,

okay, well, nobody in that group was a traitor. So I think that that was also a big tell that he has that dagger for so many rounds that he never has to use. Where if you were a faithful, I think you'd want to burn that immediately just to get that monkey off your back where it's not another reason for the

traitors to kill you. And he never really has a shield. So I think that that also would have been pretty suspicious as you got towards the end of the game. Yeah. Do you think that his looks helped propel him to the win? And I don't want to take that away from him because that's part of the whole package. But he really had he had the women and he had the men. And he had the men. all really just eating out of the palm of his hands. And he doesn't talk a lot. He comes off as somebody who doesn't seem like he's really scheming. He was good in the challenges.

He's polite. So he did so many things, right? But in that castle, people were just swooning for Rob. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's not. Yeah. Bless him. Yeah, but you can't hate on someone for being cute, you know what I mean?

So do you think if you were a, if you had been a traitor? Yeah. What how would you have, how would you have handled yourself? I didn't want to be a traitor and maybe mistake on my part. But I thought that coming into the game, I really wanted to bond with people. And I felt like that if I was holding back this secret that I was a traitor, I thought that that would have come off as shady to people. And I knew that the survivors were going to have a big target on their back. And I really was worried that people were going to come in and look at me as, oh, he's a gamer.

It's always one of the survivors. And we're going to banish him right away. But I felt like if I could come in and be myself and be a valuable person to the faithful, I thought that would help me. Turns out that I played in the season where there were no other games. people that were in the turret. Nobody was keeping me safe. And so people all thought I was a faithful, but the traders didn't want to keep me around. Right. I'm kind of like ready for a time when we can like not have this like housewives versus game war. Like I'm just sort of like

I'm fans of people from both sides and watching them like take each other out and then you get stuck with Mark Ballas at the end. It's like really annoying. Yeah. And Mark's a really nice guy also. But I wanted to work with the housewives that, you know, we had, I thought, mutually aligned interests where there was five people from the games and five people from the housewives shows. And you had Michael Rappaport there. And Michael Rappaport was like, okay, okay, let me, I'm a math guy. Okay. So there's five fucking housewives. Okay. Trader. Okay, five, one, two, three, four, five fucking gamers. Okay, that's a fucking trader right there. And I was like, I said to Porsche, I'm like, hey, do we have a Michael Rappaport problem? Like, I think that we need to like try to work together.

They have numbers. We have numbers. It should be the housewives and the gamers versus everybody else. Exactly. Why not try to work together? That is a great point. Because if you could just make it halfway through the game, you could do a survivor style, just make it halfway through as a team. and then turn on each other, you know? Yeah. We're just trying to keep each other safe for a little while. Yeah, I would love to see an all Survivor season or an all gamer season and an all housewife season. I think that would be nice because the housewives could actually be housewives.

Because, you know, as people saying, oh, they're trying to make it so dramatic, they are so tame on this show compared to how they usually are. Yes. You know, I mean, and you can see it in the reunion because Candace comes out a little more as Candice. And Porsa had the whole reunion. I mean, the whole reunion was Porsa. And she was on their like two episodes.

So, you know, they could really take over the show. And if they were really ready to let their freak flags fly. And then on the opposite end, I think the gamers would be able to be a little more vocal and not shy back from being as scary to the rest of the cast because they're the big gamers, you know? Yeah. Oh, I think that the gamers that play next time, I think are going to be playing very scared from the start because now I feel like there's such a reputation and it's such a thing of we have to take out the gamers. I wonder how much also Derinda coming into last season and then going off on Bob the Drag Queen.

If the housewives came in this season a little bit, hey, I'm not going to like create as much chaos or drama. I'm just here to get along with everybody because they really weren't having a lot of conflict in the actual time in Scotland. Well, you know, I'm sorry, but the Bob the Drag Queen thing, Durinda didn't really go off on Bob or any of that. Bob came for Durinda right away. So Durinda didn't go off on Bob until the reunion. That's when she came in. Like, how good you, Bob? I was so nice to you, Bob.

Wasn't she mad that they ate dinner without her? Yeah. Yeah. She because they were stuck on that pontoon. They said that. I forgot about that. Yeah. So she was just, I love that.

But it is such a bummer, though, that she came back and was so clearly it was like, oh, I can't go off on people, et cetera. I mean, and what's interesting about. I think especially the traders, maybe even more so than Survivor or Big Brother, you do like develop a meta across seasons. And so people are often reacting to what happened in the last season. Like, oh, well, the gamers, we seem too scary. We have to come in to kind of chill this season. You know, and everyone has to sort of react what happened last season, which is why, like, you know, I don't want to kill the Golden Goose. But that's why I kind of want to have more and more seasons of it. Like, it's hard to wait for like once a year because. They're the seasons are actually really affected by each other. So it creates an ongoing kind of like conversation between them. But I think it's like it's such a malleable format. You really like Ronnie said you can do a season of all housewives.

It would be great. And you can have a season of the exact same players. Bring the entire cast back and play out in a whole different way. That'll be really fascinating. To me it's such a good format. And that's why I just got so mad at that article being like, you know, it doesn't need the housewives. No, you need everything. You need everything.

And like, yes, the house, yes, Candace and Lisa were being salty. But thank God they're being salty. How entertaining is it to watch that reunion and watch them be salty? You know, of course, Rob played a great game. They know Rob played a great game. But also, they also, you know, let them go and attack them too. Like, he deserves that as well. Yeah.

At least they were upset with Robbie that I kind of thought, I was going to go there. And Mora was like, okay, oh, wow, she's going to really give Rob a piece of her mom. And she was like, oh, well, he's going to buy me a purse. So she was waiting for that burkin. I saw a picture going around today of her with the burkin. Oh, yeah. She got it.

I'm so dumb. Yes. I'm so dumb the whole time. So dumb. Commercials. Here comes one right now. Would you guys want to move on to some Survivor? Sure.

Let's do it. Season 50 Like, Survivor Like you've never seen it before Yeah Three hours, you guys No one told me that part When you were like, hey, let's talk Survivor too

I was like I'm down I haven't watched it in forever I turned that on I was like three hours Yeah You had to catch up You had a good three hours You missed so much

That you were overdue Yeah exactly I knows It was a lot I have to say Since the switch to Survivor going to 90 minutes I have a harder time

watching it I've watched every single season of Survivor. I'm never going to abandon it. But what will happen is sometimes I'll miss an episode. And like you miss one or two episodes. And then you're like in a hole. You're like, oh man, I've got three hours to watch. It's just sort of hard to.

And I feel like so many of the quote unquote new era episodes are people going off to another island to climb a mountain. A journey. I honestly, I don't want to piss off your audience if this is not the way people are feeling. I can't stand the journey. No, I think that you are on the right side of history. I think that so Ronnie, since Survivor came back after COVID, it's been the new era of Survivor. And so it used to be 39 days and that was the whole thing. And now they made it 26 days.

So it's less days and they do a lot of different things just to keep it like more random and fast-paced because it's a shorter amount of time. Yeah. And the journey part, they seem to have caused. down on that a bit, at least for this season. I guess maybe because we know everybody, but there were a couple where I was trying to watch where I was like, what is this? I like, well, I lost a lollipop when I was like, kid in the mall and in my deskbook got stuck in the escalator and he hasn't been able to walk so I deserve the rise. I'm like, what is this? It's just like you're supposed to be surviving, not crying about every little thing in life, you know.

A lot of backstory. A lot of backstory. It's a very touchy feel. I mean, look, I love Jeff probst, you know, he is one of the, he's one of the all-time great reality show hosts of, you know, he's just so good. But sometimes I feel like when I watch Survivor, you know, since his talk show is canceled, he's like, well, the talk show is canceled, but I'm not going to stop. I'm going to, like, here's a talk show segment and you're sitting there and he's like, what does it feel like? You're here, you're feeling the sand. Have you ever felt sand before? Blue scarf, have you touched sand before? It's like, yes, I have touched sand. And what is this? feel like. I'm like, oh my God, let's go. Come on, let's go. That's been another big change of Survivor as it's

gotten towards the new era is that it really is much more about trying to tell a journey of self-discovery for all of the players. So it used to be back in the old school survivor. It's like one person's going to win and then what are they willing to do to win and everybody else is going to lose, but one person's going to get a million dollars. Now Survivor, and Jeff will say that. is much more about what did every single person get out of this journey and this experience? What did they learn about themselves on Survivor? And we're really telling that story in the backdrop of, yeah, one person is going to go home every week. Yes.

So off the bat. I mean, it's like every, I think every reality show has done that in the past decade where it's like, okay, guys, let's embrace like what makes us cry, you know? But it's not really what the fans want. well, I mean, I don't know because they keep watching it. So I don't know. And people even talk like that in real life, you know, it's like, how are you? It's like, well, I mean, triggered and traumatized.

Do you want to hear about my week? You know, it's like, oh, geez, you know. For me, I don't, I don't mind if there's, like, if there are scenes of someone who's, like, dealing with something, with the death in their family. What I don't like is sometimes, like, the, like, a challenge will end. And someone has, like, came in dead last. but they like managed to somehow like push a ball up a ramp after many tries and then we sit there for five minutes while Jeff has like a therapy session with them like what did that ball mean for you I'm like it lost it's okay like this is not the moment where I need to have like a journey what do you think what do you think okay so who are you rooting for anyone in this cast right like who are your favorites who are your favorites that you want to win and who are your favorites that you think will will will win okay So I'm excited to see all of the legends come back in terms of the cast of what they ended up doing.

I felt like they brought back too many people from the new era where there's 12 people that played from seasons 1 through 40. And they brought back 12 people who played from seasons 41 through 49. So it really is very lopsided in terms of the newer players that they brought back from the last couple of years. So in terms of the legends being there, you're very excited to see a lot of the, you know, four timers, five timers, Surrey, Ozzie, coach or all the mainstays. And Colby ends up coming back. Then also, I really like Christian Hubicki, who is back for this season. From the new era, I really like Q. Q, I think, is just somebody who is an all-time casting person.

until he's been so fun to have him come back. His meltdown on his season was so epic. He was doing so well. He was such a star. And like he really was like he had his whole tribe. I was like, this guy's going to the end. And then all of a sudden a flip switched. And his meltdown was so wild.

I agree. He is like one of the great casting choices. I don't understand. I don't have like a strong memory of Tiffany. Yeah. I thought, wasn't she leave, like, relatively early in the run? She came in eighth in her first seasons, but she played with Q. Right.

Oh, that's right. She played with Q. Yeah. And sometimes when they do the returning seasons of Survivor, they like to bring people back in pairs where it's like, oh, they fought the first time. So we'll bring them back and they'll fight again. Yeah, I would have liked some, you know what? It would have been great to have some representation of those sort of, like, middle seasons.

You know, you have, like, a Colby. which is great. Although, you know what I did not like about Colby? I do not like when, what's his face? Risgod? Fashion show? What'd you say?

Risgod? Oh, God, I can't stand Risgod. I cannot. Please tell me he's not a real fan favorite because he keeps on saying he's a fan favorite. And I'm like, I mean, they say he's a fan favorite.

I mean, he did a nice job. Ronnie, they have a guy named Riz God now. Okay. What does he do? He's like young and. Yeah. He found a lot of idol or he had an idol and he didn't play it for a long time. Oh, he drives me nuts.

And he's like, I'm sure he's like a sweet kid. But nice guy. Yeah. Good God. Good God. But what, what, I don't remember who I was even talking about. But whatever. Fashion show.

The guy who got, um, why am I black guys? Kyle. Kyle. Kyle put like a survivor buff around his chest like a like a halterterterter or a crop top or or a tube top. And Colby was like, oh, man. don't need to see that. I was like, wait a second. I was like, I'm clocking that Colby. Yeah, well, remember when he was on the tribe with Richard Hatch and Survivor All-Stars?

Oh, my goodness. I don't remember that. I mean, I watched them all, but they also were like blur together. Clare together. Yeah. Yes. But was he? Richard Hatch always blurred. Always blurred. Always blurred. Yes. I mean, they actually improved blur technology for Richard Hatch. I think it actually got, they got tracking on it because you had to with that guy. Jeez, man. Keep on your clothes. Keep it inside. I would have loved someone. You were talking about this. Oh, I'm sorry, Ben. Go ahead.

No, no, you go. You go. I'm just babbling. I was just going to say I loved kind of the juxtaposition of the annoying people in this episode being the oldest and the newest, at least for me. Because the one from season one was instantly annoying. Yes. And I just love, it's just bossy. I wouldn't say annoying. Probably just came in there like, oh, really? You're going to see it from season one.

I'm missing. And everyone, you know, tried to get Saria out and tried to control everything. And then immediately got sent packing. Love that. And I can't wait to see it kind of happened to Savannah because I feel like Savannah is, has got that energy, but on the opposite end of the spectrum where she's a newer one. She's like, oh, my God, I'm new. And they don't even know anything about me.

And she's kind of coming in to control the whole thing too. So I'm liking it set up to be pretty interesting. Guess how well I did, guys. Guess how well I did? I want it all. Yeah. I'm like, oh my God. I'm so up and down with her.

Like, in some ways, I love her bratty energy. And to Ronnie, her backstory is that she's a news reporter. And she used to work at a newsroom. And they all hated her so much that for two years, no one would talk to her. They bullied her. She was like, I was bullied in the newsroom. And we would talk on camera.

And when the cameras were down, no one would talk to me. And she was so stressed out. And like, that's her whole journey was that. she was bullied in the newsroom. But she's annoying. Which is not nothing. My journey is and I annoyed everybody at work.

I love that. Yeah. She replaced a beloved member of the team and they froze her out. Yes. That was truly her emotional arc. Who do you think is missing from this? Because I would imagine that there are a lot of hard feelings going around. I read Surrey, you know, kind of dissing Carolyn.

Hello. Rob is right here, Ronnie. Rob is right here. No, I know. Well, obviously. Obviously. That's an answer. All of the shows are missing me.

Yeah. So who do you think really got shafted on not getting invited? Well, Carolyn was somebody who was like one of the luckiest locks to come back. And then she went and did the traders. And then they seemed to really take exception to the fact that she did the traders, even though Surrey did the traders, Stephanie did the traders. But it seems like that they didn't like that Carolyn did the traders and didn't talk to them first about going back and doing that. And then Amanda Kimmel was somebody who was supposed to be in the mix and then ultimately didn't end up coming back. Jerry Manthy really wanted to come back and she was gutted when she didn't ultimately get the call.

But to speak to your point then about not having anybody from the middle, I would have loved to have seen Malcolm come back where I feel like that he was somebody who had unfinished business from the last time that he played. Yeah, I mean, wow. You know who I would have loved to have come back? mainly because at the very least I could have just looked at him would have been James. I was shocked that James was not in the mix. Yeah.

Where is James these days? I feel like we never see any. We never see him. I think he came out at the season 36 finale where they brought back some of the idols that got misplayed. And so they brought him back at the reunion for Survivor 36

with Eric Reichenback. But that's the last time he's been seen on Survivor. You know who I think would have been great? I feel like we don't talk enough about Fabio. Like Fabio is just one of the most random winners of this show. And he's such a bizarre creature. Like he should have just been in there.

That would have been hilarious to me. So they started and they said, okay, we have no winners. We're not bringing back any winners. And they didn't bring back any of the older winners. But then from the new seasons, they brought back three winners. So I don't know why they changed that very late in the game.

Because that's why they were like, okay, that's why Boston Rob's not here. or Parvety or Tony or Sandra. We just did all-winner season. So we're not bringing any of those people back. But then right at the end, they're like, I'll bring back some of the winners. Yeah.

The people that just won. They'll bring them back. Yeah. Yeah, like Dee and Kyle and who's the third person? Savannah. Oh, Savannah. Remember? Also, you know, from the new era,

as long as they're plucking from the new era, there was also that, I'm sorry, I'm really bad with the names. Like, I definitely, when a survivor season or Big Brother season ends, It gets like tucked away in a zip file and I have to like... Well, you're with a wiki. So just ask you.

Yeah. But the season when there was like the pastor, she was a pastor, but she was so Oh, Shan. Shan. She would have been a great choice. She would have been really good. She was a villain in that season. And the whole season, and she was like really like propped up as like the main character.

But I don't know if whatever happened, if there was like any falling out or whatever reason they didn't bring her back. How many times if they brought back Susan, the trucker from season one? So she, well, she only came back one time for Survivor All-Stars, but she is, of course, an icon. Yeah, bring me some Susan. Isn't it crazy to tell some people off? Isn't it crazy to think there's been 700 and something people on the show? 751. That's just a wild number of people to go through it all.

I would love to have a season of all first people voted off because there's some. some really amazing. They're cast for a reason. They're interesting people. Let's get them all on there. And like give someone a chance to go from having been voted off first to getting all the way to the end. You could do it. I mean, there's some story there in the people that, I mean, obviously you like them enough to have them on the show once.

So you could do a season about it. I think that it would be good to do. They always do three tribes. Do one tribe of first boots. Because I'm not sure if you have eight. great first boots that people would remember. But you definitely have six. Okay.

Yeah, you can scrounge up six, huh? Yeah. So because you guys are more familiar with all of these people, who came back that is changed at all? Who's the most changed? Did anybody actually come back as a different version of themselves? Well, Ozzy is trying to be a different version. He's going to be Oscar now instead of Jeff's regular Ozzy.

So that's like I'm shaving my sideburns really high now. guys. He looks crazy. He looks crazy now. I'm sorry. He's got, actually, he has inherited the hair

of a former survivor contestant whose name alludes me, but you know who I'm talking about. Jambo. Jambo. Jambo. Yeah, he has Jambo's hair now. Like that hair,

I'm sorry, I can't. Okay, so Ozzy, that's a good one. So who else? Colby, the last time he played, was cranky and joyless, and now he is this new person that's like, I'm going to appreciate every day that I'm out here

because every more, I thank God for two things. Number one, that I'm alive. Number two, that I'm on Survivor. And number three, that men don't wear tube tops. Yeah, sorry, man. As long as I don't see any guys wearing a tube top, halter top bikini. That's rich and far.

He was cracking me up because he can tell he's trying to be positive, but he just can't do it. he's like, this kid won't shut up. He's annoying. This kid needs to go. How are we going to get rid of him? And then a few minutes, you know, a few

hours later in the premiere. I'm your dad now. Yeah, I'm your dad. And he's like, oh my God, thank you so much because I love my dad so much. It's like, okay, I regret that one. That's so reason. Angelina's trying to change.

So, Ronnie, the Angelina season. Angelina was hilarious because she just lacked any self-awareness. And they showed a clip of it, Ronnie. But, but, like, she basically was part of this woman getting voted off, who then had a cameo on the White Lotus, I'd like to add. And, um, and then as this woman's getting voted off, Angelina's like, it's really cold.

Can I, can I have your jacket before you leave? Can I have your jacket? Your jacket? It's like, fuck you. Like, how dare you ask me this right now? Yeah. But she's trying to be like now, like, I'm like, I'm a little. aware. I'm a mother now. I understand things.

Speaking of people who's changed, Mike White is changed that he is ripped now. I know. That was crazy. I was not expecting that at all. I watched his season. I was shocked. Yeah. He was, he's ripped now. I feel like he's going to last

a long time because I think everyone wants to get a part in the next White Lotus. There's a meta there where it's like, well, I don't want to be mean to Mike. I want him to get to know me long enough that way he wants to put me in that show. Well, he always puts somebody from Survivor in the seasons. Yeah. I remember the first season.

I was like, wait, isn't that guy looks so familiar? Wait a second. I think he was on Survivor. Yeah. Alec Merlino. Yes. Alec. Do you have you had Mike White on your show?

So I, there was one time. And it was one of the more famous moments in the history of Robbins podcast because Mike White reamed me out. Oh, no. Why? Why? Because I was an asshole. I have to take ownership of it. We'll be the judge of that.

So back in, you know, Mike White famously, many, many great films, School of Rock and many others. But in 2017, the movie, the emoji movie came out. And we were like made like a lot of, like we were goofing on the emoji movie at that time. And Mike White had done like some rewrites on the emoji movie. And then when his season, his original season was on, I, on occasion, would ask guests like, hey, what do you think of Mike White's movies? And like, what do you think of the emoji movie?

And that he, when I got to talk to him. And also, he felt like I didn't give him enough credit for his game, which is also fair. He played a really good game and I didn't highlight it enough. But he also didn't get featured, you know, his game wasn't, like, really obvious in the edit. And so he really like laid into me. And that said that he, you know, it's a hilarious interview, but nobody on the exit interview has really coming hot like that. Wow. Well, listen.

The emoji. I'm sure. Now he can kick my ass too. Listen. Just with his abs. Yeah. Now he can. And you know what?

Look, he wrote a movie. Look, he has, he wrote a movie that has 6% on Rotten Tomatoes. My kids love it. You know what? I think actually my friend wrote, but there's also a writer on it. Now that I'm saying it, oh gosh,

oh gosh. I'm really rooting for these two ladies just to watch their relationship because it was cracking me up. Aubrey and Genevieve. There are a whole relationship that both of them are just staring at each other.

Wasn't it, it was Aubrey and someone else. I think it was Genevieve, wasn't it just staring at each other? And they're like, yeah, well, like, I could trust you. okay well I could trust you and then it cuts like I don't trust that bitch I'm gonna take her down I really like that was like housewise yeah it was and Aubrey's got such a dark energy about her I only know her from this episode but I loved her darkness so I'm gonna be an Aubrey acolyte for now Aubrey is great but I love Genevieve I just love I love a cold smart woman and she just like the way she the way she just like maneuvered through her season She was just so great.

She was like cold and corporate. And I just loved her. I'm worried that she's not going to make it that far this season because people are like, you know, they have their eyes out on. Scared of her. You know, they're scared of her. But I just think that she's great. I was so happy that she was included in this one. Well, Ronnie, one of the other things that people do a lot now on Survivor is if you're a lawyer, you have to pretend you're something else.

And now she was one of the secret lawyers. And now they really know she's a lawyer. Oh, can't have a lawyer. Well, I just like that I think it should get her some points that she's being played by Tony Collette. I mean, I would think that people would like automatically be like, oh my God, I love you, Muriel. Yeah.

What do you, what do I think? I know, seriously. What do you think about this twist of in the hands of the people? I think it was a good idea, but I think that they didn't really give the fans that much to actually vote on.

Like, it was very specific things. And, a lot of the options were worded in a way that it was clear what they wanted the outcome to be. And they didn't really let the fans vote on too many things that people really cared about. Like, should there be two tribes or three tribes? Should there be a final two or a final three? And like there were, I wish there was more things that we were actually voting on that people cared about. Yeah, it feels kind of like superficial.

And also it's like, will there be no idol? or tons of idols. And of course, the fans are always going to choose the hard option. They're going to choose the idols and everything like that, which is fine.

But I agree. I feel like it's not, it's not very impactful. And what I hate is that Jeff is like, but this season, I'm not doing anything because it's in the hands, the fans.

So the fans have voted and they decided they want you to win an Outback steak because you know that's coming. It's like, you're going to go to the sanctuary. Are they going to win the steak from Outback or pizza from Domino's?

It's like, which corporate branding? will the fans vote for. Yeah. You know, it feels a little over, overwrought. I all,

well, who do we know if the fans, oh, go ahead. I'm sorry, Ronnie, do we know if the fans, uh,

got to vote on any of the competitions? They got to vote on what the final four competition was going to be. Because I have to say, I'm getting also a little, I'm getting some, some competition, um, on we,

I feel like it's sort of getting into a, They were going up a ramp. What's the emoji for Onwee? They were inside out. I don't want to be blacklisted by Mike White. Okay. It's just abs. Yeah, just abs.

But I do kind of feel like it's a say, grab something, go under, go under some beams into the mud, go up a ramp. They're impressive, though. Like how they had to go under those logs and then dig a hole under and on the other side. You know, I kind of like them because you have to think like, how would I dig it? I would never dig it. I would die. I would just die. But just watching, like one of them just reached over and was like doing this, like kind of swimming through it, which I thought was kind of cool.

But yeah, there's just, there's only so many, you know, ramps and and pulley things you can do. Yeah. For whatever reason, there's less variety in terms of the types of challenges that they would do. Like, for a long time on Survivor, they'd be like, okay, and now there's wrestling and now there's, you know, this, you know, one-on-one competition. And really everything in the pre-merge is some type of a. race and then everything in the post merge is like, okay, get ready and stand still for as long as possible. Endurned challenges.

This is just a Ben thing. I hate endurance challenges on reality TV. They stress me out, but also it is just standing around. But largely, I just get stressed out. When it comes time for Big Brother to have them stand on a wall and like lean over, I'm always like, oh, holding on to things. The Big Brother Classic is like, hold on to a phallic object, you know, it's like a flinging hot dog or whatever.

I would love to see I don't honestly, I don't mind obviously if we have a mix of all these things but post merge there are so many endurance challenges that they just sort of become all the same to me. And I just like a mix. Like I love the auction when it comes up, the food auction. And they

once had a challenge that I absolutely adored which is that they had to like all get onto this platform in the water and there was like not enough room for everyone. And so like if one wrong move and everyone would fall off the platform and so you never really knew which which group of people was really, which team was going to to win.

And I liked that as a nice change up. But like the obstacle course thing, I'm just sort of getting a little over it. I'm like, I feel like there's so many interesting puzzles out there and interesting ways to have competition that I would love to sort of see some more variety. For sure. They're really,

can you fix that for us, please? Listen. That rock designed one right now. We're going to complain about the same things every single season. That's one of the things with the new era where that in the old days of Survivor, there used to be a lot more novelty and variety of like, okay, this season we're doing this, this season we're doing this.

And I know that they're stuck in Fiji for, you know, a variety of budgetary reasons. But it's almost like at this point in Survivor's history, they're like, we figured out what the show is. Every season we're going to do it's this, it's this, it's this, it's this, it's this,

it's this. Like, well, can you change it? Like, no, this is how we do it now. Mixionary. Can we do dictionary? I mean, it's like, well, what about could you have like, like, what if you have like this versus this? Like, no, every season is the next number. That's it.

We decided this is, this is the show now. And now like that, and now the challenges, not only are they not really changing the challenges as much. Now some of the challenges have built in their own kind of mythology. Like, in this season, Kelly. Kelly so and so went and she

she did this in 35 seconds can you beat that record so now there's like lore behind the challenges which is kind of funny which I actually

I don't mind that I actually like that the show is not afraid to break that fourth wall but I'm like let's just like I think there was a new challenge like last season

they like sprung a new challenge on us like whoa a new challenge yeah it's exciting if they have a new challenge and it's fine but they also like

but they make the challenges easier also, or I should say they make them like harder so that they last like eight minutes as opposed to that there used to be on Survivor, you'd have these endurance challenges and they'd go for hours and hours and hours and like, eh, that's boring. Just make it so hard that the challenge only lasts for five minutes.

We got stuff to do. Like we're not going to sit around here all day and watch this for five hours. We're going to have an endurance competition. So let's see who can endure getting hit over the head multiple times with a cast iron skill. Yeah. Okay.

One of you? Okay, great. Everyone else is knocked out on the ground. We are done. Let's wrap. All right, where do you think this season's going to go? Let's do some predictions for the final. What do you want to do?

Final three? Sure. Final three. Okay. Okay. Let's say final three. Rob, you go first. Go first.

Wow. So I can copy all of your choices. Copy all of my choices. So I'm trying to think of, I'll say Joe. and let's say Joe Tiffany is my winner pick

even though Ronnie doesn't know who she is and then I don't have to know things if we could only talk about things I know we have a very very short show so don't worry about that Jonathan

Okay and Tiffany for the win Okay gotcha Ben go for it It's hard to say because I'm like trying to think of seem like they might be getting a winners edit but like to the credit of survivor i think the thing that is so amazing about the show is they've become so sophisticated with their edits that i don't

think people it's it's hard to determine the winners at it versus the difference of like who is getting the act one of the season edit um i also for some reason tiffany was on my radar as well but like you know what i'm going to say i'm going to say in the top three i'm going to put emily flip in even though she's totally bonkers but i just for some reason I see her kind of like bonking up to the top three. I like her. Yeah, she's great. I love her.

She's the one that's like, nobody really wanted to talk to me the first time, but now things are different. Is that her? Yes. I love her. Her first season, she just.

Thank you. I really vibed with her energy. Her first season, Rodney. She just got so happy when that guy started talking to her. She's like, I think someone's talking to me. You would have loved her first season. She constantly.

had these emotional breakdowns because no one liked her and then she would have these, because of her emotional breakdowns, people just continue to not like her. I'm going to say Mike White because everyone wants to be on White Lotus. Sure. Yeah, that's a good one. Okay. And this is hard. Where does it

a third one? Let's say Chrissy Hoffbeck. Oh, okay. Chris. Mike. Mike, Chrissy, and who is the third? Emily, Mike, Chris and Emily. Emily, yes. I'm just going to go with people that I want to see because you never know on these games, especially in the beginning. So I'm going to say Aubrey, Surrey, and the guy who does the news just because he cracks me up.

He's like, and then he gets really serious. But he's always got that dad. He's always got that dad. I'm just so glad to be here. let's murder that motherfucker you know it's got it's kind of an edge to him like i believe maybe he's killed somebody and so he's kind of my dark chorus and i'll say serri only because i think it would be so uh difficult i think it would be an uphill battle but i don't know i believe in her so i'm gonna say her yeah i can't tell does she have a massive target target on her back or do people is there

ever a sense of like man she is so good i don't want to be the one to destroy her journey this time well that's what Jenna Lewis tried to do that she needs to take her out. But I think that there's a little bit of like the same sort of thing with Donna Kelsey where people are like, oh, do we want to get the fans mad at us and take her out? People love Surrey. Yeah. Yeah. I was

sad to see Jenna go only because I was like, man, it's been 26 years. She comes on to the beach for like one day and then she's gone. Like that is, that was so mean of everyone. I'm sorry. I know. She just played too hard though. She came right on. All right, sorry. We're getting her. We're getting her.

She fucked up the competition. Well, you're all going to fuck up a competition. You had to throw a stone on a rope through a little V. You know, who can do that? No. Well, actually, I've got one last question. I know we're sort of trying to wrap up. And we, for all intents of purposes, we should be wrapping up, but I'm opening it back up again.

We're trying to apologize. I'm being a bad, bad podcaster. But Rob, you did come back on an all-star season. And in the season that you were on, you were like, I mean, you did you, you got, extremely far you were just like doing all sorts of amazing stuff on it but then in the all-star season you did not last very long that's right so what was like coming into an all-star season like this in season 50 what's different what's different when you come in there well and that these players should hopefully have been paying paying attention to yeah and it's a great question the time that i came

back i played on survivor all-stars which was season eight but nobody had ever been on an all-star season of a show before. You didn't really know what it was going to be like. Now everybody is like these grizzled veterans that have been back on. It's my fifth time playing. So people are like, I'm coming in with my game plan. But it's like, hey, this person's my friend.

I can't vote them out. And that's why Boston Rob did so well. He was the only person that was willing to be like, hey, I don't care. I'm going to screw up everybody. I'm going to find my wife. So it was, I think it was, it was complicated.

the feelings about like, wait, are we friends or is this a game? Whereas everybody's like very clear what this is. Hmm. Cool. Yeah, Rob. Coming in ready to rip each other on this one. I like it. Yeah, they're ready. Maybe we should, maybe we should circle back midway through the season and see how all

our predictions are going and their hot takes are, you know, because it's so fun to talk with you. And it is really cool. It is cool, the shared experience. Like the three of us were in the midst of the reality TV. We've seen it all. We've seen it all guys. We've been there.

We've been there since the old days. Rob, so great to talk to you. Yes. Yes. Yes. This is really, really fun. Yeah.

And we're not washed. Okay. Let's let the record show. Mm-mm. We're not washed. We're not cooked. No. No.

We are. We still got it. We still got it. We're still bringing the heat. We're old times. Remember back of the day, Johnny Ph. F.

Fair play. Remember that when Johnny Fairplay got slammed by Danny Bonaducci? Sure do. Yeah. Sure do. Were you there that night? I was there when Perez Hilton got punched. Were you at that one? No, who punched Perez Hilton?

I think we're the real world guys. Oh, it was? Yeah. I mean, in fairness, he probably should have gotten punched a lot more. He was like drawing like weeners on all these people's faces. Yeah. He got punched at that award show, and I was hanging out with Johnny Bananas that night, who I loved back in that time.

Yes. And we were, he was wasted, of course, but we were just cracking out. And he was just kind of being, he came out just looking like, tweet, tweet, tweet, tweet, like literal birds around his head. And people were booing him on the way out. I was kind of proud of our culture that night. Yeah, I remember going to one of those Fox Reality Awards and China, the wrestler was right next to me. And then New York was there.

and Jeff Conway came on stage because he was doing a lot of the VH1 stuff. And then there was just, it was, you know, it was a time. It was a time. It was a time. It was a time. It was a special. All right. Well, everybody find Rob has a podcast wherever you get your podcast.

What's your personal insta? Rob's sister, Nino. Oh, there you go. I keep it simple too. Mine's Ronnie Karam and Ben Mandelker. You see, we all did it right, guys. Did it right. Yes.

Because back when we started, it wasn't hard to get your real name. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Well, when we blogged, we had fake names because we were like, we're serious artists, and we don't want to be known as TV blogs. And then we got thirsty a couple of years into it. I wanted to be a TV writer. And I was afraid that if I was blogging, that it would get in the way of me having gainful employment as a television writer.

So I was like, I've got to have an alias. Has that been proven wrong for any of us? Yeah. The writing never really happened. Never happened. playing. Look at us now. But yeah, who needs it? Yeah. Maybe Mike White could read a script

of yours. I know. Now that I've, now that I've shaded the emoji movie out of solidarity with you. You know, I did. That was me. Leave Ben alone. Put him on the White Lotus. Mike White was like, you know what? That guy, this guy's pretty funny on that podcast. I should put him in the white list. Wait a second. He's back

to Rob Cessernino. He's got a Google alert set out for you. He platformed Rob Cisterino so he's out. Yeah. He's done. All right, Rob. Thanks so much. Everybody, thanks for being here. We'll talk to you next time. Bye, everyone. Bye.

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