Watch What Crappens - #3244: Summer House S10E5 Part Two: Rein There Done That

Episode Date: March 4, 2026

This is part two of a two-part recap!Ciara finds out Jesse asked to make out with her at a Summer House Renaissance Fair party and…cries. I guess I wouldn’t want that mouth chasing me either, tbf. The new lady makes a splash and tries to show Baylie how to flirt, and Carl finally gets a smile from Lindsay. He’s finally in the mix you guys. To watch this recap on video, listen to our bonus episodes, and get ad free listening, go to Patreon.com/watchwhatcrappens. Find bonus episodes at patreon.com/watchwhatcrappens and follow us on Instagram @watchwhatcrappens @ronniekaram @benmandelker Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Well, hello and welcome to watch what happens. This is part two of a two-part recap. If you're like, hey, wait a minute, I didn't hear part one. Guys, it's because we put out a lot of recaps. Go back and listen to part one, okay? It's before this one. Bye. Enjoy the show.

So now it's later. It's 8.48 p.m. And Carl is sitting with Dara and KJ on the couch. And KJ's like, what do you do for fun, Dara? Like, what's your hobby? Am I flirting? She's like, um, I read. I like to read.

Whoa, it's like a really good hobby, actually. She goes, yeah, and I go to the movie alone a lot. Can't stand other fucking people right next to me either popcorn. What do we need to have popcorn? It's so loud. Stupid America. Oh, yeah, I watch movies myself. That's like my favorite thing to do, watching movies myself.

So if you're trying to ask me to the movies, you see the problem in that, right? That would be two of us at a movie, and I don't do that. We should go on a film forum that, yeah, well, you're going to have to sit five rows behind me. What are they going to see at the film forum? That's my favorite part. The two people from Summerhouse are going to go to the film forum. What is the film forum? What is that?

It's like an art house. Like it's indie, down the village, movie theater. I meant there and I remember going there in high school. Because in high school, I had like this whole like, like I'm artsy phase. And I would go,

I would take the train down to the city and go see movies at the Angelica Film Center. And that's where I would go. Yeah, you know, and I remember I remember seeing like Foxy Brown at the film forum because I was like very much into like wow, like exploitation, what an interesting genre. Foxy Brown

is film forum the same as Angelica? No, but they're like right near each other and it's like that same thing. You just see really like documentaries or a foreign film or something and you're like sophisticated. I mean, you actually are. I'm like making it sound like it's pretentious.

Like it's legitimately sophisticated. And like I, we don't have that in Los Angeles. Like there's literally nowhere to see independent films in Los Angeles. It's like, isn't that crazy? Yeah. I think there's like maybe one place. Even the even the movie theater on sunset and crescent that that one used to have some of them. But now they have now it's a big CVS sign even though there's still a movie theater in there.

I saw with that fucking CVS sign up there. It makes me crazy every time I see it. It's so disresit. It's like there's a town of movies. Get the fucking CVS sign off of there and put the movie signs back up. I literally saw a wicked. for good in that theater, which formerly was the place to see your independent movies.

Yeah. I just love doing that. You gotta go see that on like a big crazy screen. Of course, then you have to do with all the idiots in there. Yeah, I didn't wanna go to the Grove. I remember the Angelica, I saw clerks at the Angelica film center, film, whatever. And that I feel like is the most 90s thing

I could have ever done in my life is seeing clerks at the Angelica. Yeah, I saw a lot there. I saw like big fish. Um, I saw a lot of them. Not big fish. The one with, who cares? Nobody cares about this. Rumblefish?

No, the one with, never mind. Mary McDonald? Yes, Mary McDonald. Yeah. Is that big fish? No, it was something else with a fish. Go fish.

Something like that. Okay, so something fish. The fish report. Fish report. Fish report. Mary McDonald does a fish report. We should also, by the way, resurrect Mary McDonald.

Where is she these days? Passion fish. Passion fish. Passion fish. The name of the movie. Thank you. Yes. Great film with Alphrey Woodard.

Yes. Oh, Alphrey. Loved her. Okay, so they're talking about reading movies and stuff, and they decide to go on a movie date. So now we go to KJ and Jesse, and KJ is asking if Sierra's okay, and Jesse's like, I don't don't know. I haven't seen her heard from her an hour. Well, I don't know.

And then Darren are continuing the flirting in his room. So Dera goes from KJ and goes to get some more Ben flirts. and we see it and she's pretty good. She is a really good flirt. I mean, she's like, so, hey, what are you doing? And he's like, laying on the bed. Oh, really? What are you, a big bed layer?

Love bed laying. Yeah, maybe I'll lay right here on the bed. He's like, all right. Oh, is it all right? Is it all right? Because beds are greatest beds calling me. He's like, okay. You ever see a movie alone?

I do. So then there, then, um, I've got a bed. You got a doorknob or a broomstick. Sorry, I was still thinking about movies. You know what I love, Marissa Tomey and the feature film In the Bad Room, which is where we are. So Bailey is watching this and she's like, oh my God, I have to tell you something, Levi. First of all, wow, Levi, you're here. Second of all, Darren Ben, wow, he's gone. He's locked in. They're locked in. It's over. I lost my chance. It's done. It's done. And Levi's like, really? She cracked him. Totally cracked. It looked like they were on The Bachelor. I mean, I even brought him this sweet green salad, and I can't even give it to him.

It's too late. The opportunity's closed. Darrow walking around, beaming her lashes in every boy, and then, like, melt. And them, like, melting. I mean, it's making me realize I do not stand a chance. And what she was, what I was doing with men, that was not flirting. Why don't I know how to flirt everybody? She's just in her own little modern Jane Austen storyline on this show. Everyone else is just partying and getting drunk, and she's just, like, pining after people. people in the corner.

She's very like, I'm on a show and my story line is I don't know how to flirt and I'm gonna hit it home in every single scene that I do. So then me and Sierra are creeped out because they're in bed and something keeps making their doors shake. Oh my god, it's the ghost. The ghost of turkey legs passed. That was a really good run of software. Thank you.

Thank you everybody. It was so good. Nailed it. Yeah. It was the ghost of me because I started going upstairs and then I realized, Wait a second. I'm downstairs now. I'm in the mix. So I left. So it goes to me up on the second floor. What can I say? Oh, next morning, time to start cleaning everyone. Start cleaning and there's all this junk in the backyard. And Jesse's like trying to make small talk with Sierra. And he's like,

Hey, so do you have plans this week? It's just like, um, long pause, long pause, long pause, long pause. Just got to clean my apartment. Get some furniture delivered. Not hanging out with you. So can we have a segment of old men complaining about things? Because this, I mean, I know that's our whole show pretty much, at least on my end. But this, how they were cleaning up the backyard was so annoying. Well, first off, she had a trash picker-upper, which I liked. You know, she had one of those grabby things instead of touching with her hands. Okay, that's not my problem.

They were taking all the booze and all the cans and emptying them just all over the grass. That's disgusting. Do you do that? Do you find that acceptable? I was like, no, hell no. And if I was renting at that house, I would be pissed. I would be marking that down. Let's fly.

I'm trying to think of where I would pour the booze out. I'm like genuinely just. A bucket, and then you take it into the sink. I think what I would do is I would gather everything and bring it to the kitchen and pour it down the drain. Yeah. I don't know. So what sometimes, okay, here, sometimes when I'm outside, well, that's a bad example. because I've got a drain in my driveway.

So sometimes if I get home and I have like nothing but like a little bit of ice in my coffee that I had in my car, I'll pour the ice down the drain in the driveway. But I don't just like pour it into the plants. Yeah. I kind of think about that one. You know, leave a comment to everyone. But like hundreds of cans just pouring them all up. I was horrified.

I was like, how dare you treat my property like this, even though it wasn't? That's the least of that grass is issues is the lover boy, you know? I guess. There's like a turkey leg with. flies all over it and just yeah that was disgusting i was mad at that i was like who is the person just threw a turkey leg down on the ground like you're a monster yeah so um jesse's like oh no i can tell seora's upset he's doing his frown face he's like i can tell sear's upset i'm hoping it's not at me but i'm afraid it is i just feel like no matter what happens i always miss out

so now they all leave and um car Carl whispers the KJ, he's like, hey, you know what's crazy about this car that Kia? I pay for half of it, and I used to own half of it. It's not crazy, it's on half a car. It's like, wow. Get over it. That's how I feel every time I pass the school. I'm like, I paid for that school.

Everyone wants to. Seriously. Seriously. Kaj is like, that would trip me out, bro. Like, to be honest, like, that would trip me out more than me not thinking about my sisters. hit on girls. I'm just trying not to be a lover boy. Well, I mean, it's a trip, but I mean, it couldn't have gone better because I just didn't want it to be awkward for anybody else to argue about the kios. So Lindsay can have it.

You know, I'm a good person. I'm a good person. I gave Lindsay that kia. So she's welcome. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Carl. Um, then, um, everyone just says goodbye and they all leave. Now we're in the city. So it's Monday. Kyle and West play golf. They go to like one of those indoor golf places where you hit the balls out of screen. And so they have fun there. And then it's Tuesday. And Lindsay's baby-roving her outlets. She's sticking things in all the outlets to make sure the baby is fine.

I'm surprised you didn't do that for Carl, to be honest. And then, oh, my God, I have to baby proof this because I have a genius baby. It's like, no, genius babies do not stick their fingers in outlets. So just baby. The other way around. It's regular baby baby. Well, I guess she was saying it's genius because Jenna, well, Gemma will take the, she'll know how to take the covers off. or something.

Or she's so inquisitive as a baby that she wants to touch every hole. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappence commercial. Then we have KJ meeting up with Fredara for drinks at this place called like 82 Stanton.

And KJ's like, hey, I just texted you. You did? Because I didn't get a text. You ordered a drink without me? Wow. Starting up on the strongest of notes. real weird okay bro like i could be like hanging out with an australian bachelor and this is how you treat me okay fine oh man wow i didn't really mean to mess up she's like okay well i'm gonna give you a hug

because otherwise it'll just feel weird for the rest of the time so let's do this let's just get the hug over with okay you've been hugged congratulations so he gets her a drink and he gets her he gets himself a matching drink a matching spritz but he's also got his ginnis there so man this guy's not kidding around it's like first date double fisting it you go so so So KJ is like after the party, like we were definitely texting and talking on the phone, FaceTiming. And, you know, like I didn't want to get into a relationship this summer because I'm a lover boy, but we'll see how that goes.

Ha ha. So she's like, oh, I see you're still wearing my earrings. He's like, yeah. And when I wake up, I thought of you every day this week. She's like, oh, well, that's really excited. Exciting. And she's like, so am I blushing? Am I blushing? Because I hope I'm not. He was like, yeah. So I'm going to tell you this like literally after I gave a tour of the backyard. I was like, well, this is kind of like a fun experience. Like this would be great. But then like all of a sudden I saw Ben and I was like, damn. Because like, I mean, you guys were like talking and like he's giving you attention and stuff. And like, then I started to feel a certain type of way when you were and Ben were talking. But I was like, dang. I'm like, I actually like her. Like, like, sir. To me, I was like, is this, does this count his game? You're talking.

about another guy and then you're also kind of saying that you're jealous you're already showing your jealousy yeah that's what he was having a first date like yeah I mean I like you but I think you like that other guy and he's like way hotter than me like what are you even doing with me that I've been like what are you even doing what are you doing bro stop he's like asking for pity but also showing jealousy but then also spending it like it's some sort of sign of dedication and he's she's like yeah I mean that was nice. I just, like, want to clarify because, like, I think I'm, like, not trying to make you feel like it's, like, some sort of, like, weird competition. He's like, so you don't like Ben? She's like, I mean, no. But everyone likes Ben. Come on. Say you like Ben. Say you like a... Oh, my God. Stop being disappointed hearing that I don't like Ben. I mean, what the hell? And he's like, whoa, but, like, everyone likes Ben. Like, he's even given me a halfie. Like, I mean, he's a male model. He's mature. Like, he's in his 30s. He's got hair. She's like, um, aren't you a male model, too? He's like,

Yeah, but I'm just like a baby male model. I'm like an Oshkosh male model. He does skateboard tricks. It's different. Well, I mean, I can see why girls would like him for sure. But for me, there wasn't a lot of chemistry, just some hair. Like, wow, have you felt chemistry with us? She's like, yeah, I don't think I would have relinquished the time to come here if I didn't feel the chemistry.

Wow, you felt chemistry? Honestly, Kaj is kind of annoying out of day. I have to say, just reading it back. I'm like, this is really annoying. I don't, I would not like this at all. He is. And I thought someone like her, I mean, she's just so self-assured and confident. I thought she'd be like, oh, my God, you're a wuss.

Like, I need, I cannot with, I thought she was going to be like, okay, good to meet you. No, absolutely not. But she liked it. She loved it. Yeah. She loved it. Because he's like, this is all new to me this summer. I was like, all right, I'm going to be single.

I'm going to enjoy myself and have a good time. Like, why are you saying that part? too this summer I just want to sleep around a lot you know well but he's also getting it in there you see so part of me is like is he just tricking me because he's also getting it in there just like they always do well I'm not really looking for anything this is my summer of fun so we'll see she's like so you want to be single and he's like well I did and then they laugh so now we go to Carl he's like oh my god it's software okay this is a great hallway um that staircase Wow, look at that. There's like a landing there. We could put a DJ booth there.

He's like basically from like August 1st last year until now, I've been building so far. We've been doing pop-ups and we're doing events and just like talking about the good guy clause. But the goal is always open with an actual location. Because like I have my team and we've been like working together on getting a place up and running. And like we're going to be opening public later in summer. I promise it's happening like I swear to God it's going to happen. I mean, for as many times I said, like, this might not work. God, I wish I could bunk myself on the hell with a tricky leg. Am I right? No, it's going to open.

It's going to open. Flashback to Lindsay. You always say what you want to do, but there's not a lot of movement towards actually doing anything that you want to do. Promise, it's going to open. So Ben comes to check it out, and he's like, this is why I love New York, because I love being around people who have an idea, and they go for it. Doesn't that feel good? Doesn't that feel good? New York is the only place where that happens, unfortunately.

It's the only place where people have an idea and go for it. So I'm so glad he's in New York too. So Carl's like, hey, here's the soft bar. It has a 24 foot high ceiling, which is amazing. He's like, well, from my entrepreneurial perspective, which I don't have since I'm just a model, it takes a lot of balls just to do something like this, especially having a non-alcoholic bar as well.

I mean, it's really ambitious. What an interesting idea about it does not serve cocktails. You really swung for the fences, and it looks phenomenal. It's just, fortunately, those fences are very, very far away. Very far away. But you know what they say? That's the way the cookie crumbles. Thank you.

Doesn't that feel amazing? Thank you. So I'm looking at the reviews for software. They're pretty good. There's only four, which is weird, right? I'm surprised. I'm surprised that there's only four. He got one, one star.

She said, I've had amazing zero-proof cocktails, and these just don't measure up. It's like they did their sampling in a region that thinks manis is spicy. Both the Mr. Feel Good and the high road aren't what I describe as elevated or worth the price point. There are other options nearby spend your money there. Williamsburg really going hard on the soft bars. They've got a lot of them. But he's also got a bunch of four stars. So he's good.

He's got like a four. He's got a 4.1 rating on Yelp, so that's pretty good. This place is awesome. Carl killed it. Great drinks, very chill spot, free Wi-Fi, and supporting people empowering their lives. Yummy drinks, great atmosphere. I like the concept. Coffee and cocktails.

And he paid for half of Lindsay's Kia. Four stars. I feel like I'm in a beautiful, roomy SUV, but only half of it. I mean, look, the place looks gross. The place looks great. It would be interesting to see. We should make a trip to it next time where, although we have to go all the way to Brooklyn for it.

It's only the first stop on the train, on the L. That's my old stop. Yes, where I used to live. The L, yes, like the first stop off the L, I guess, if it's in Williamsburg. It's the L, Uttford. You got off on Bedford, I'm pretty sure. I haven't really looked it up on maps,

but of someone who lived in Williamsburg, about six years. Yeah, I'm pretty sure to where it is. I can tell you where the Seatown is. It's my favorite place. Seatown sounds like an insult. Go back to Seatown. That's before I even, before Crappance was even a dream. I used to go to a place called Seatown. Oh, you guys. What a dream. Okay, so Ben, Ben loves it. And Ben's like, how much longer do you have? Five weeks, three weeks. Am I flirting with you? Oh no because everyone thinks I'm flirting. Okay, no. We've got three weeks to finish Five weeks opening. It's gonna be amazing. It's gonna be a man you know what I'm not coming this weekend because I gotta be here

I gotta be here. I gotta decide like how are we gonna have a DJ on that stair landing without them falling backwards and breaking Thank you because he was like wow just bringing the space like it looks so many ideas like look we could put a DJ up there It's like a tiny stairway landing. That's got to be a fire code issue to put a DJ set up up there. So many things here. If you're going to put something on the landing, have your DJ be like an air, like an Alexa that plays music,

you know, or an AirPods, whatever those are called. So then, yeah, they just talk about it. So then Carl's like, oh,

actually, you know, like we have a lot of people that work and are founders of non-alk companies. And, you know, Jesse invested, some other close friends and family.

I've like some influencers. I have some athletes, you know, who play ball you know different kinds of ball all different kinds of ball um yeah but not Kyle well no and to be honest like he's got so much other shit to worry about with Loverboy and you know what like let's also be honest Kyle doesn't throw a ball so not really a ball thrower so yeah uh well yeah I invested $15,000 in 2019 in Loverboy and I didn't have a lot of money back in 2019 but I just like believe in him so much and I knew the power of what he was building

and I really felt like there was something there. So I hoped, but maybe for the same a return. But he was like, I'm just not in a position to invest. And the message it sends is kind of confusing. The message is actually pretty clear to me, which is he doesn't believe in what you're doing. Unlike you who said that lover boy, you said that you felt like you felt the power of what he was building

and that there was something there. I think Kyle is saying, I don't know the power of what you're building. And I don't think that there's something there. So I'm not going to spend the money on this. We had imagined. I do think it's shitty, though, as a friend. And then he did make salary by being hired there when he couldn't keep a job anywhere else.

He made some decent money with Lover Boy. So I'm not going to totally dis Kyle on that one. And we do know that Kyle is completely broke because he just had to take 15 grand out of, you know, he had to, he had a whatever to get his $500,000 to keep Lover Boy float. So he probably just doesn't have it. So I don't know. Yeah. But, I mean, I do get like, I invested in yours and you're not going to invest in mine. but I don't know.

You're broke, you're broke. What are you going to do? Yeah, yeah. I think I totally understand why Carl would not be happy about that. I would not take that away from him. But I also feel like, well, maybe he just doesn't want to throw away $15,000. But we'll see. We'll see how this company goes.

So I want to piss it into the wind. Is that what you're saying? I'm just saying that Kyle had a track. You know, look, I can see how Carl would be annoyed. But I also, you know, I'm not going to be fooled by Carl again. I've been fooled by Carl too many times. This is Carl Time Pornow. And I'm not going to fall for Carl's victim act.

Like, well, really hurts me. The Carl couldn't invest. You got like, you got a lot of money. You got a lot of investors. It's working out. Cry outside. Yeah, that's what I say. We'll see.

We'll see how it goes. I think also, like Kyle has a proven track record. Like going into Loveboy, he had a track record as someone who does startups. he had the cat bird bird dog cat dog whatever it was that he was doing the shorts like he he already does this and it was a product that he could bring on to the show that he could hawk every single week and like he could bring out to the world you know so like there's a lot of upside I think with soft bar it's just a little harder because it's like ha ironic haul but like it's it's more difficult because it's like a location off of Brooklyn and and like Carl has no track record

and it's a little scary. Oh, so Friday, we're driving to the Hamptons now, softly, but without me, worrying about the DJ fans. It's huge. So, Wes, KGA, that's the boys' car. And Wes is like, what's up, you fucking brat? Hey, I was your boys this week. Well, I got a text this weekend from my friend Reagan. She works at 82 Staten, and she's like, KJ's literally here on a date right now.

Whoa. Oh, wow, who's the lucky gal? He's like, oh, is Dara? Dara, how did that come about? We were hanging out of the party and I gave her a little tour of the backyard. And Jesse's like, yeah, oh, he knows that backyard like the back of his head.

They just start joking like, here's the pool and here's the pool. So Jeff is like, so KJ says, yeah, like we hung out, we had a few drinks and like, yeah, we were buzzing and then we went to Tyler the creator because he had a show i'm like sir i know that's that sounds like a great time went to titha the creator you know it's on a great show i'm sure but you said you were gonna go to the film forum and i was waiting for a film form update what movie did you see how was the documentary did you

make out afterwards and i feel a little bit lied to uh did you get a kiss good night he's like yeah i got a kiss and then she came over yesterday and we made dinner and just he's like what oh my god you're basically married then what happened he's like um well i left to this morning. So they're like, whoa, why you got laid? Yeah. Oh, didn't he say that she came over to his place? So for him to say, I left this morning. Wouldn't you be doing that anyway from your place? But I don't know. I get to just what he's saying. That's true. I get the just of what he's saying. I didn't even catch that. He's like, normally I wouldn't leave my house after a date. Well, I did leave this one today. But I think that's what he meant. Yeah, he implied. They banged.

And he's like, and Jesse's like, oh, Ben's back here silent and he must be devastated. Did you ask permission? And KJ is like, well, Ben, you know, say some shit, please, man. Like, how do you feel, bro? And he's like, mate, I'm all for it. Listen, I'm not going to say we didn't have a vibe. I only think at one point she said, I'm cold. And I said, because the fend's on.

Very hot stuff. It's just such a shame that there's no, I don't know, like a blonde girl who's available in our house. Don't you wish we had someone like that around? How well? Too bad. Yeah, too bad. So sad. But listen, I'm so happy for you.

I think it all went great for you and I'm rooting for you. Good suit. Good shoot, mate. Thank you. Good suit. Thank you. Thank you. Good, because I never want anything to come between the boys.

Here comes one right now. So now we go to Bailey and Levi. arriving at the house first for their wacky practical jokes yeah they um they have uh like a plant plant costume and that comes like a little little planter and you sit in it and then you you look like a house plant but then when people walk in you go boo so they set that all up and then kj while they're doing that kj's like hey jesse i also had coffee with sierra yesterday and i guess word got back to her about what you said to west somehow and then west goes yeah, because of Lindsay.

I'm like, don't act like, oh, because of Lindsay. She told you she was going to say something, and you could have been like, please don't say something. Let me handle it. You told, you basically said to her, go do it. It's not my place to do it, but it could be your place to do it. And then now he's like, he's like, oh, man, she's so mean. Why would she betray our trust like that?

Yeah. So, um, Jesse's like, well, I texted her. just checking in on her. She didn't respond. So I figured something was off. They're like, yeah, it's a tough situation. Oh, my God. It's so dramatic. So Bailey and Levi are now dressed as plants, and they're carrying around pots. And they're like, oh, my God, let's hide in the front room.

I'll pretend to be trees. It's going to be so crazy. So the first group arrives and I like, ah. And then the second group arrives, and like, ah. Then the third group arrives, and I like, ah, ha. then the fourth group. Okay, is this going to be an hour-long thing? I enjoyed it, actually.

Partially because I thought it was funny, partially because I knew it was something we could go by quickly on the recap. But I did enjoy it. Although, I got, you know what? I felt so bad for Sierra. It was like pouring rain, and Sierra went running to go inside,

and she just wiped out right on that staircase. I was like, Elie, owie, owie, owie, owee. I know, like face first. I'm surprised she wasn't hurt. I know, seriously. She was also the only one who was. not fazed by this plant. She walked in, she's like, what's that? It's like, you guys are like, wow. So this went on for a little while and it sort of

concluded with the guy's van, the guys, the guy's car arriving. So now there's hugs and Bailey's like, do I smell bad? I'm sweaty. And Jesse is like, yeah, you smell better. I think the answer's supposed to be like, no, you smell okay. Yeah, I thought it was Ben, he was like, you smelled bitter. I was like, oh, gosh, this poor girl. So then Sierra's kind of, you know, just kind of ignores Jesse. And he's like, can we talk before dinner? It's like, yeah, whatever. So then West and Ben are watching the rain. And they're like, wow, this is what life's about watching drain, watching, watching it rain. How do you think Jesse's doing? He's like, well, she's mad at you. It's really not good about it. That's for sure. Yeah. So Sierra and Jesse go up to

room and he's like well I just feel bad because he has his frown face his trapezoidal frown face and he's like sort of doing that thing where he's like picking out he's like lying on the bed on the side and like picking at like the quilts with his fingers and like looking down he's like i just feel bad i mean the boys are telling me that when i said to west would you be upset if i made i was yeah that you like you're like upset and they said that made you feel like a certain type of way and like i feel bad that it like made you feel that way because i didn't mean you anything by it i just feel like if we're getting flirty i just wanted to be clear from west's perspective in our friendship it was something that i was ever gonna pursue and he's just saying words that like

have no meaning behind them yeah i think just probably brevity is his would be his friend here because he's saying like listen we're getting flirty and i didn't want west to be offended because that's breaking brocode so i had to ask him how he felt about it so i asked him in kind of a jokey way that's it but it's like five paragraphs. It's like, well, I mean. So she's like, but you didn't mean anything by it? And he said, well, I mean, I didn't know what my intention was.

Like, I don't know where your head's at. And I just thought it was like the right order of operations. Like, check with your boy. And then if he cares, if he's still hung up, then like I wouldn't even think about it, you know, because that's not what boys do to boys. Because, you know, we learn very early on involved more. She's just like waiting for him to finish,

but he never does. I'm sure you know the feeling on this podcast. Oh, Shosh, that's me to you. I'll just wait for him to finish. It's like 10 minutes later. I'm like, and another thing. I pay taxes for children to go to school in my district. I don't even have children.

No, that's me to you. That's like, and then this one time when I was like, I don't know, 14, I went all the way down to Angelica Film Center and I saw the movie Nadia. It's a black and white movie about a vampire. I was young. No, I love that. looking at you on the video screen like there he goes see the memories as they happen

as my man talks about him my man my man my man go to the angelica film center um sierra i think what jesse should be doing in the situation is just asking sierra how she feels and like rather than just coming in like boom here's what i was doing and this is why like don't be mad at me like why don't you see like check how she feels and you can address it i don't actually think the instinct to check with your boy you know to make sure everything's cool is like the worst instinct in the world but it is likeicky the sense that the guys are treating her like oh she has no saying that that's a bad feeling it's kind of like he's kind of like doing love island rules where like i think i want to have a conversation i'm gonna have like i'm gonna post someone for a chat

But I want to let you know first. So like, and maybe in the Love Island villa, that seems like more a realistic way to operate. But in real life, it actually just objectifies the other person. But I think you should just do less talking more listening. But if he didn't do it, we'd be sitting here like, oh, my God, this is breaking bro code. And you're a piece of shit for not doing that. I mean, Jesse can't be a douchebag and stuff. And I think he is a douchebag.

But let's not over, you know, let's not undersell what a douchebag Wes is to. Because he did come to West. West, sorry that Mike came unplugged. He came to West. West, you know, didn't have the balls to say anything about it really at the time until he was kind of forced to at the end and be like, well, maybe that's uncool or whatever. But then West went and told every single person to get them to fight his battle for him, you know. And when they wouldn't, when he told all the guys and no one fought the battle for him, he relied on Lindsay to do it. And then had Lindsay go in there and they got all the girls against Jesse.

And then it's like he knows what it's like to be in a bad situation in that house with all the girls. And he purposely did that to Jesse when I think Jesse was actually just kind of doing the right thing. And West is just upset that Jesse would consider going for Sierra at all because that's Jesse's back. That's West's back burner showmats, not Jesse's. West doesn't have any intention for Sierra. So I think West is also a huge piece of shit here. And I think that's a really shitty way to treat your friend. Fortunately for him, the friend is Jesse, and I like watching Jesse get tortured.

So, you know, it's a wash. I think that West should actually get more shit in this situation because I think the normal order of operations would be Jesse is catching feelings for Sierra, which is fine. I mean, it is a kind of a violation of brocode. But he, first of all, he should pulled West aside privately, not with like a council of boys. and he should pull West aside and he should have been I don't know like he should have stood in his feelings

and said I'm interested in Sierra not be like maybe I might like jokingly make out with her he sort of hedges a little bit like don't be mad at me and then West I think the moment the West says I don't it's fine I don't care

you have to actually be about that because you can't say it's fine I don't care and then make sure and then have other people make sure the message gets to Sierra because that actually is a violation of brocode because I think if it never got to Sierra if it just became a thing of like hey I'm interested in this girl I want to check with you first because I don't want to like mess up our relationship he says go for it and then he and then

Jesse makes moves on Sierra I think that's like normal I think that's like okay to do that but because West then made sure Sierra found out that the discussions held back and forth it makes her feel more objectified than it is and so that's at believe it or not not like west is kind of the bigger roco is a bigger asshole in this situation yeah i agree yeah he made sure that she felt like this was this she was she was she knew that this was being discussed in in a group with people in a laughing way we're being taken very seriously it just made her feel like shit so that was shitty of west i think ultimately because if you because obviously he did care so he wasn't even being honest he should have been like don't do that like that i don't like that

Yeah. He almost said that last week. I mean, they both just handle everything so stupidly, like honestly. Just if, but then Jesse's also afraid because he doesn't want to be in the situation where he has to be like, but I like Sierra, because then he's going to fuck that up too. I still think he just wants to fuck around. As much as he keeps saying, I want a girlfriend. That's right. He's not acting like it. So they're both they're both just idiots. So, you know, and then we get to Sierra, who I've already said, like, I wish was just above all of this and had just, I wish just seemed. I wish just seemed. was just her shooting down Jesse, period. But, you know, you can't, I can't control a person's heart, unfortunately. So you can't. You know what? You can't do it. The heart wants what it wants, okay? So what it wants.

So what's it. Sierra's basically like, I guess it's weird that you're clearing it with West before talking to me about it just made me feel like you think of me as a sexual conquest and now it's your turn. You're like, that's not how I was thinking about you at all. I wasn't thinking in the first place. It's like, well, but hearing that made me feel that way. And then I'm hearing it's a joke.

Make out what there was a joke. And if you want to hide behind a joke, like, okay. He's like, no, I wasn't making a joke. Like, if we make out, it would just be like. It would be a joke. So what you're saying? It's like, oh. But I mean, I feel like we have an attract.

Here's my frown. I'm going to frown smile at you. I feel like we have an attraction to each other. We're also just friends. And I don't know what I'm like hoping for. I don't know. Well, fucking figure it out. Like, what the hell are you going to have a conversation?

You've had a whole week to think about this. You did nothing. You didn't know, prep. Vera is just, she has a nice little monologue here. She talks about how lines are so blurred. And I love you as a friend. And I'm obviously upset because I'm like, why is it that I can express that? Like, I want a boyfriend and I want to be in a relationship.

And I want to have a friendship with a person I'm with. And I want to eventually be married and have kids one day. day and then you're just like oh you just like pictures just like oh this is just like a joke let's have like a jokey makeout session like if you're really interested in me you would ask me ask him for permission to ask me out on a date if you ask him for permission for fucking anything not just to make out with me do you see where i'm coming from which by the way that's a dumb question for her to ask because i don't think jesse will ever see anything he does anyone's coming from at least just clarified it for me because the whole episode i was like oh god this is so stupid but i mean i get this so she's

like, okay, well, at least ask for permission to date me and not just took up with me, you know, which I think is pretty clear. And of course, he's still not going to get that. And he's like, well, sorry, I mean, do you feel like an object? You know, I don't want you to feel like that. More like you're the stuffed animal. You went in a carnival, you know, that's more important. It's a bigger thing. You're a prize. Not an object. Is that better? Sorry, I thought you might need a little bit of help in there. Great suit, guys. Great suit. and Sierra's like, well, I mean, this is easy to put it on Jesse, but like it's 75% me, you know,

because like, you know, I can feel like we have a good enough relationship for him to come to me and say things like that. But like this reaffirms the theme in my head that people just want to hook up and they just don't want anything serious, you know? And that's like, I can't get that out of my head. Yeah. And she has like a lot of baggage with her dad and her upbringing that I think informs all this. So she says, yeah, I just. I just want to be seen in this friendship, and I think that's the only thing that I'm,

like the main thing I'm fighting for, you know? So we will see what will happen between these two in the fallout. Oh, I'm a little too. What will happen? But in the meantime, go check out that replay on Kizwee, go read our newsletter,

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