Watch What Crappens - #3248 Bonus: Candiace Dillard Bassett Talks Traitors!

Episode Date: March 6, 2026

The one and only Candiace Dillard Bassett joins us to talk about her time on The Traitors and how she feels about a controversial article calling for a ban on housewives.  Come listen to this hilarious interview and then go subscribe to her podcast Undomesticated. Oh, and be sure to stream her new song “If Only.” To watch this recap on video, listen to our bonus episodes, and get ad free listening, go to Patreon.com/watchwhatcrappens. Find bonus episodes at patreon.com/watchwhatcrappens and follow us on Instagram @watchwhatcrappens @ronniekaram @benmandelker Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello and welcome to watch our crappins. I'm Ben. That's Ronnie. And we are so excited because we have not only someone from the traders, but someone from the Real Housewives family. Please welcome back, well, not back to our show for the first time ever. Candice Dillard Bassett. Hello, Candice.

How are you? Welcome to Crappins. Thank you. I love it here. Yes. Hello, Crapins family. Yes. Yes, we love it there.

Look at your beautiful bookcase that you have back there. I love that green color. Reading is fundamental. Yes. You know, as they say. And this is one of my favorite colors. My whole office is this, it's called Breakfast Room Green. But I love the color sage.

So I thought I said, I have to put that on the wall. We've got a new name now. Is it really called Breakfast Room Green? Yeah, it's, they did not pay me to say this, but the company is called Farrow and Ball. And this is, that's the name of the color, breakfast room green. So, wow. Love it. Well, we are very sad. You're hearing. Congrats on the traders. Fantastic job. How do you, how, how is the after press of traders? How has it been going? It's fun. It's been, it's been great. It's been sort of reminiscent and

kind of like, you know, a little nostalgic to like, oh, what a time that we had. Because we, we filmed it last June. So it's been quite some time. Like, my son was eight months, and he's 17 months now. So it's like, wow, all the time that has passed. But it's been fun. It's been like getting to reminisce and like relive like the most otherworldly insane experience I've ever had in unscripted TV and probably the only one that I would definitely do again and do the same way. Yeah. Really? Yeah. I mean, tell us about this. Tell us about what it was like when you, like, arrived at the castle. What was the castle like? What were your thoughts even going into it? Did you want to be a traitor? Did you want to be a faithful? Like, just give us the whole spiel. Yeah. So, I mean, who wants to go on a show called Traders and not be a traitor? Like...

Exactly. Yeah. Like, I think I said in one of my interviews, like, the traitors are the main characters. The show is called, the traitors, they're on the marquee. I am a main character. So, of course, I wanted to be one of the main characters. Humbly, of course. No, I said, okay, if I'm going to leave my baby and go to the other side of the world,

it needs to be worth it. And how fun is it to get to, like, murder people, and you don't have to go to jail. Like, we're adults playing a board game. It's, like, can I pick my own cast? Right.

Okay. Yes. And so when I arrived, I was enamored with the castle. It is this just gargantuan, stunning, it's a behemoth. It's like this, it's huge. And we kind of lived and worked and played in a lot of it. And there was still so much of the castle that we did not get to see. Some parts were sort of closed off for like construction and renovations and what have. But we were in a lot of the castle and there were so much that we were not able to visit. So a lot of the times, like when you're walking to do interviews, it would be like a five-minute walk. And you're walking through these halls and up these stairs and then back downstairs and then up. And you just, you get lost. It's huge. It's a maze and it's stunning.

But it was so much fun to be there. And I think Durinda was saying that she knows the people that, it's called Ardras Castle, she knows the owner. So she was telling us like all the lore and the history of the castle, which was fun and interesting. But arriving, I was excited. I was excited to get there. Yeah, it's funny because, by the way, what you're saying about the castle, because

it kind of looks oddly small on TV, because I guess you guys are always shooting in the same like four rooms. So it always seems like you guys are going to run into each. other, like, oh my God, why are you saying that? Like, why are you sitting there? Like, everyone's going to find you. But it sounds like it was actually much more expansive than it looks on TV. Oh, for sure.

It's, I mean, yes, we, so the breakfast room, the library, the bar, the kitchen were all kind of like concentrated right around. Like, it almost felt like a rotunda because they were all kind of in a circle. And then the stairs kind of broke it up a little bit. But the round table room is like, way at the other end. And all of the interviews, like all the things, the interviews that we were doing were in, like, random places in the castle.

So it was huge. It was huge. And it just felt like it kept going and going. Wow. So what was your, once you were chosen as a traitor, what was your plan? What did you think like, okay, now that I'm a trader, this is how I'm going to conduct myself as a traitor. This is how I'm going to play this game. I didn't really have like a plan.

I just, I knew that, okay, I have to live a double life here. And I'm going to have to employ some of my acting skills. And I'm going to have to employ some of my, like, survival skills from housewives here. And you just almost immediately lock in. Like, as soon as I was tapped on the shoulder, it was like, okay. I mean, you saw, I barely moved. So I was already like, okay, I'm already playing the part because inside I was like doing backflips and just screaming at the top of my lungs.

But I knew I had to keep a cool head and I had to behave and walk and talk and act as if I was a faithful all the while, like wearing this hat and like using the mind of a traitor and be sort of sleuthy and duplicitous and sneaky. So I didn't, like, plan my strategy for how to behave. It just kind of befell me. I figured it out as I went. Yeah, instinct. Yes.

So the audiences, you know, the fandom for real housewives, obviously is one of the more intense fandoms on TV. Yes. I would imagine, you know, we're a part of it. and it's harsh in there. Yeah. It's crazy. But you know what? It's so funny, though.

Yes, I agree with you. But the gamers, those fans are. Okay. Thank you. Like, you're coming from Housewatch, but then you got the gamer fandom. So how was that? How was navigating that and how would you compare the two? I think the gamers, they're a bit more, what's the word?

They're a little more sensitive. Like, they need some triangles and some big girl panties. They're just, they're whining. Like, I feel like Housewives fans, and I can speak specifically to my fan base, my fans are smart. They are educated. They're well read. They, you know, they come from spaces of academia and fundamental reading. They have books behind them, honey.

Breakfast, breakfast room green. They know it. Yes, they know Breakfast Room Green. My supporters are just, they're the cream of the crop. And, you know, even the worst of the fandom, you know, I won't name names, but you know who they are. Even they are, they're astute and they're like, they're in on it. They're in on the joke. I think what's changed about Housewives is that, you know, we're celebrating 20 years of Housewives.

The fans are in on the joke. They know what's happening. You can't pull one over on them anymore. Like, they understand the way production works, and they know, they can tell when somebody is faking or lying, or at least, you know, they think they can. And they're really vocal about that. The gamers, a lot of them are just, they're just whiny.

And they don't have any, like, evidence to back up the whining. They're just like, why are all these housewives, the turret. It's supposed to be gamers. Well, why, John? Yeah, exactly. I mean, let's say, let's get into it. It's time to get into it, right? Even like the fandom of Housewives, like, we're used to arguing because Housewives is arguing. So it's conflict resolution, as someone recently said on Housewives. So we'll get messy with each other in a comment, but then give each other arguments four days and comment upon comma and at least be able to, like, hear each other out where I feel like the gamers are just like, you suck!

Yeah, they just think they're throwing tantrums and with, with no, with no, nothing to back it up. It's, boo, tomato, tomato. Yeah. Well, so the thing that like has lit up the housewives fandom, including yours truly, and I'm thinking all three of us were lit up. Actually, Candace, I saw you being pretty active about this article. As was I. So this, so Joe Reed in Vulture slash New York magazine, he comes out with. with an incendiary piece that says basically housewives should be banned from the traitors.

And I personally felt like this was dripping with misogyny. I thought this was- Dripping. And his argument is that the housewives are not there to play the game. They are there to create drama and then go into social media and perpetuate the drama. Mind you, his article had such a click-baity headline. and the housewives need to be banned from the traders. So he's complaining that the housewives caused drama online

while simultaneously putting out an article to light the internet on fire, but that's okay. So what do you say to all that? What do you say to this hot take? How embarrassing, Joe, or whatever your name is. And I think I tweeted or I posted on threads, Walter needs to ban you from journalism because you do a disservice to the art form

by even creating or letting such a narrative sit out in the public and spoil and be moldy, because this is a moldy, spoiled, dirty, funky take. And I think, you know, I'm one of many, I think, who resent this idea that housewives are one. He kind of painted us as this sort of one-dimensional group, group that all we do, all we are is drama. All we are is emotion. And that's just simply not the case. And I say all the time, more so about black women, but it can apply to housewives in general that we are not monolithic.

We are not one way. We are not, you know, one-sided. We have many layers to us. We are not, not all of us, okay, but many of us are onions that require layers that need to be peeled back and peeled back. And you don't always get that in one, two, or even sometimes three seasons, and it takes time to really get the full scope of who we are. But to also do such a crime in the month of women's history, like... Oh, yes, Candace. Go there. I love it. Where is a shoe for me to jettison? Like, I, like, I, like, eat my shoe, okay?

It's just, it's disrespectful. And it's also like, yeah, we're entertaining. Are you mad about it? Because while you sit and pitter-patter on your laptop, spewing misogyny and spewing this hatred toward an entire group of people who live and breathe to create entertainment and give layers and give gravitas and, moxie to the people, you reek of hateeration. It reeks of hateeration to me. And as you said, of misogyny. And then I, and it also, you know, I found it interesting, who he chose to zero

in on in his criticism. And I believe it was myself. And he also had a lot to say about Danielle and sort of referring to us as, I want to say, some of like the worst traitors or some some criticism of that nature. And that's interesting as well. And that's crazy. It's crazy that he would say you're one of the worst traders because I took a screenshot of something that he actually had very complimentary things to say about you earlier in the season. He said, man, I love Candace Dillard Bassett, the poet laureate of Potomac so much. Then he goes, but then he goes, but she's coming across like a sore loser at this reunion. So I guess maybe I take that back.

But like it seemed like he was, he had like some love for you. But it just to me it's just like crazy that, um, that I feel like he just discounting a whole group of people when he also wrote an article saying how the villains were doing so well this season. And he highlighted Colton and Michael. And if you talk about drama, I mean, they're the ones causing the most drama. Yeah, Michael was the biggest drama queen. And then you have, um, jam jam like, oh, what's like kid? It was already. You know, so come on, that was a gamer.

And actually, you know, he also said this. I think this was actually the quote I meant to read. I didn't mean to read one where he was like, fucking just. He said, I think the big reason why I'm loving this season of the trader so far, despite an early boot order, is that the traders, Candace especially, are making good smart moves. So he actually called you out for making good smart moves.

So it's surprising that then he comes out with an article where he's like, oh, yeah, the housewives aren't really there to compete. I just don't understand that. So, well, two things. To say that we are not there to compete, like, waking up every morning and putting our eyebrows on, we are in competition, okay? We are doing the work. And I also feel like, I believe he called me loquacious.

And I was like, okay, and like, well, thank you. Like, what do you- That's your out of Mark Ballas. Right. What do you? Oh, I love Mark, no. Mark did start speaking up later. Shout out to Mark.

That's my book. But no, I mean, what, also I'll say this too about me, me being talkative. Many times when the roundtables would start, no one would speak. We would start the roundtable and there'd be a solid, like, 45 seconds of just, No, nothing. Yeah. The whole season. I mean, it never got to the point where people were just starting off.

Just ready to jump in. So I'm like, okay, look, I'm ready for my glass of wine. I'm ready for my pastry. I need to go to bed. Okay, this is like a bit of 12. I need to go to bed. Yeah. And, yeah, smoke salmon.

They had also these, like, salmon pots that were really good that they would give us as snacks. That I don't think, I want my salmon pot. I want my red wine or my white wine. You only get two glasses of the night. That's the maximum. So I'm ready for my wine. Yeah. Yes, and my eggs and my salmon.

So I'm ready to go. We have to get this party started. And you all are dilly dallying and pussy flitting about. So let's get it started. So often I was just, you know, nobody else was speaking. So I was like, okay, let's get it started. And am I chatty? Yes.

Am I low quick? Yes, sure. Sure. But I just, so is Colton. It's like, again, the white male patriarchy of it all is just, it's run rampant in these Americas. The reason why y'all's president is y'all's president because of people like Joe and his foolishness that he writes down on paper and calls it journalism. It's embarrassing. Joe, Joe, you're a fault for Trump, damn it.

It seemed to me, because one of the best parts about all of the best parts about all. all of these shows, both of the shows you were on, is the reading the comments after, I love getting into a messy thread and just reading people fight. You know, I love an online one. Yeah. And it seemed like a lot of this pushback for housewives

didn't really happen until towards the end of the season when there were a lot of social media things like Chris was on there saying, you know, he doesn't like women, you know, Chris. I love that, I love that married a man who will also get into some mess on social media. You know, you're mad. He was not afraid of the mud. Yeah. Seems like a lot of it came from that and kind of the reaction, kind of your reaction when you left. So what do you say to that? Do you feel, you know, what do you say to people calling you a sore loser and stuff like that? What's your reaction to that? Well, it's, it's funny that I just found this out today. Because Rob had a lot of support online. And I was always like, well, who are these people? Who are these supporters?

And he recently was seen out with an ice out pen on, like on a lapel or on his shirt or something, which, and I stand in agreeance with him. Yeah. I love that he did that, actually. Yeah, I think. And I, and Rob always, we didn't talk politics, but he always struck me as someone that I could trust with a general election vote. Like, I don't think he's voting, you know, for demons to come overtake America. And a lot of the fandom is pissed at him. And when people would be in my comments calling me a sore loser and, you know, criticizing me, I would always be, it always kind of felt foreign to me, like the direction it was coming from.

So now that I know that a lot of the people that were rooting for Rob are probably MAGA supporters. I'm like, okay, sure, call me a sore loser. You, you're a sore voter. You're an idiot. So I'm not, I can't be upset. It's hard to take you seriously. I think seriously, yeah.

I also, I have to say that, like, we've known you from Potomac, and we have known the full range of your emotions and what you're capable of doing. And, like, you calling Rob to task at the reunion, I felt like, was you just saying, like, like, hey, it's fine that you won, but like, don't try to have a narrative where you were just like the good guy or whatever who just like is like, you have to own up to some of the things you did to us.

And people are like, oh my God, she's a sore loser. I'm like, you guys don't know the Candace. You guys don't know the Candace that we know. If she was being a sore loser, we would have seen a much bigger reaction. That was our reaction. We were like, you think this is bad? These housewives, you've never seen a tamer housewife than these housewives because you could have Candice up there. Thank you.

They could have handed you a butter knife. They could have had Storinda. Thank you. Thank you. I just, I resent this idea that I, as I think as I said on the show, I quote myself, that I also need to drink Rob's bathwater. I was not that thirsty. Like, I don't need to drink his bathwater. And there was, there was this just, this overwhelming, just hypnotization of Rob.

And he's a wonderful person. He's very sweet. He was very kind. He's a southern gentleman. We talked a lot about the fact that he's from Alabama. My family, both sides of my family are also from Alabama. And we talked about that in the cat. So I don't take away from him as a person.

But this idea that everyone needs to be up his butt is insane to me. I saw nothing wrong with me having criticism. of the way that he played the game. You have no problem, general public, criticizing all of the women and their gameplay,

but somehow Rob, we're going to rewrite history and make Rob's game flawless. It wasn't flawless. Honestly, I think it's natural to rip apart each other's games. I mean, that's what the whole thing is,

is talking about game play. That's a part of the show. Yes, gamers do that all the time. But somehow it's become this, you know, this crime, this high crime misdemeanor, because I'm criticizing his game. I applaud that he won.

He won the show. I'm happy that he won. But it was just the way that he was like, well, I didn't really want to. And I, oh. Yeah. There's a little bit of bullshit in there. There's some bullshit.

I'm just a boy. Yeah. I'm just a boy. Yeah. Yeah. And like, that part, I was like, okay, you did all these treacherous things, that you did these treacherous things.

Yeah. Yeah. There was some, you know, from the traitors, duh, Ronnie, from the reunion, when you were kind of insinuating that he might have cheated by telling Colton, whatever. What do you think about, were you accusing him of cheating? And do you think he did cheat? I don't know if he cheated. I just know what I was told. And when I got home from the castle and I think, because we all kind of got home around the same time, well, by the time I left, the. The last five were like right behind me. And we all kind of got on the phone over the course of like that next week to debrief and be like, well, what do you think of this and what happened? And one of the calls I got was from Colton. And I want to make it clear. I did not call Colton.

Colton got my number from somebody. I think somebody, he asked someone, hey. He's good at that. He was outside your house. Comment. Ben. Oh, my God. Continue.

Colton, don't come crying to me. We're just kidding. We're just kidding. We're just... J-slash-K. Easy joke. So he called me, he called my phone. And, you know, among other things, he said about, we were talking about a bunch of stuff, just debriefing.

And he said to me, yeah, Rob told me you are a traitor. And I said, and at the time, I thought that he meant that he, because he told me where it happened. He said, I think he told me you were a traitor at the mountain challenge, that abhorrent, horrific challenge that should be banned. It was horrible. Somewhere in there is when he told me that he told him. And so I waited all season to see it because I'm like, oh, well, if he built up this case against me, for sure they're going to show this. This is like a pinnacle moment for one of the traders to be outed. And it never came.

And then I said, well, wait, if he didn't tell him on the show, then where did he tell him? And how did he tell him? So these are just the questions that I think anyone with any level of... If he did, if he had told him, wouldn't he have to say, she's a traitor and I know because I'm a traitor? So is the insinuation that he was all. also telling him that he was a traitor? Yes, because what other reason he had to have built a case against me? I think Candace is a traitor because I saw her do this.

X, Y, Z. Or I heard her say something, or she's been acting something. And from my purview, I was not detectable. There weren't really a lot of people, if anyone. Mark told me he was suspicious of me because I, gave him skittles at like in like episode three or something. I mean, that's a smoking gun.

And the same sort of critique when I suggested Johnny, um, go or get a shield during that portrait challenge, I was just being nice. There was no strategy behind that. I have to tell you, Candice, one of my biggest frustrations with this season, because I'm someone who plays these games like mafia, et cetera. I'm a big, like, board gamer. I do all these games. Yeah.

And one of the biggest frustrations I had is that you gave, you didn't just give like one breadcrum. You didn't give just two breadcrumbs. You gave two big pieces of, you gave two loaves. You gave a hala. You put like a hala out on the table. And you were like, it's Rob everyone. Good night. And like as much as you could without saying it.

And the way they did not even pursue that. Do you like, did they even talk about like it's, it seemed like they just completely discounted it. painful for me that they just would not. And more, I was like, well, I think that it might be that, but I think she just messed up. And I'm like, look at that. You have so little to go on. Why don't you look at the one tangible thing? How was that for you to watch that? It was bad for me, but as you was the one who actually left the bread there, how was that? infuriating in a word, especially watching it back, because of course I left, so I didn't know what they were going to do with the information. But to watch it and to see just the blatant dedication to being dumb. Like, you have to try to be this dumb. Like, it's, it's, I think, who said it? My sister Kenya said in one season of Atlanta, I was talking about Porsche.

She was like, it almost hurts me to watch her be so dumb. And I, I had to like go back to that place and just sit with her because, wow, I'm, my flabbers were gasted at just how you, how do you miss this? What other? And they kept, they kept all my. was getting it like well why would she do that it just didn't make any sense hell are we yeah but the skittles but it was skittles I was scared I was scared I was I was actually thinking about you because I was watching clips this morning in bed as I do of um Mora getting her burkin on watch what happens I'm not what happens live yeah see that

yeah yes I saw the clips congratulations Mora you I hope that restores some faith in men for her because she's spoken at length about how she doesn't trust anyone, you know, least of all men. And for once a man, what did she say? She said it's not so much as he got the burkin, but that he kept his promise. So if for nothing else, restoring some faith in, you know, in men as, you know, it's hard to trust them in general. It restored some of my faith. I mean, I'll get you a burkin. Because I thought that was so old-fashioned when a man-fetching.

you over and then he gets you a gift. But I get to see that still there. And we're not just getting fucked over and that's the end now because I don't like men take note life. Yeah. Yeah. Take note men. I want to talk one positive thing like or I hope a positive thing is you coming back to like

reality TV in a big way here with this. Do you feel that you've been seen differently than you were on the Potomac? Like do you feel like, oh, I finally got to show a side of myself or people got to know me in a different way. They may have had preconceived notions of how I was on Potomac, but now they actually got to see a different Candace. Yeah. That was part of the reason why I think I wanted to do the show was to sort of open myself up to a new audience and, you know, perhaps reframe the way that the current audience viewed me. Because, again, black women are not monolithic.

We are layered and we come in many different shapes and colors and sizes and personalities. And, you know, when you're on a show with, you know, six or seven big personalities, it's hard to see all sides of someone, especially when you become sort of typecast. And I, you know, I own that I was sort of this spoiled princess who was, you know, seen more often as emotional than she was not. And that is, that is me. own that part of myself. That's just not all that I am. And I love that I was able to put myself into a game where, you know, you're employing things like strategy and conga lines to sort of show

that there's more to me. And I am fun and I can be light and I can, you know, get through a season of something and not get into like a huge argument with someone unless there are snake and they lie. And that was a rough end too to your to your time on Potomac. I mean, that was just like intense. It was not pretty. That was like two years of intensity, like severe intensity. So it was a lot to recover from, I imagine.

My God. Yeah. I loved seeing the candesance, as I'm going to call it right now, the candesance on the traders. I love to see. I thought you did actually, you did do, I think, a great job. And I honestly, well, the only thing that really, I think, really bummed me out was I loved you Lisa and Rob when you guys were a traitor family. I thought you guys were so fun together and I knew you guys wouldn't ever be able to make it

all the way through together, but I was when it started to crumble, I got so sad. I was really, really sad about that, you know? Yeah. I will say this. I actually did think probably by episode, probably episode six, episode five or six, I would, I would, I would, I would, I woke up one morning, that morning, and I was like, wow, we could maybe win together. Like, we could maybe all three traders go to the end. Because at that point, it still felt like we were a cohesive unit, and we were still really flying under the radar.

And we had, you know, pulled off at that point, I think, at least one, I think we pulled off both of our heists, our murders in plain sight. We were just sort of working together as a great team. So I naively, obviously hindsight, felt like we could go to the end together. And yeah, I was also just really disappointed that the band got broken up because I think that, you know, in the history, the short history that is U.S. traders, we, like, I think we'll go down as, like, some of the most iconic trios of traders to get that far. and still be on one accord. Yeah, I really loved watching you guys work together. And I guess, I'm sorry, we are going to let you go very shortly, but I do want to ask you some questions about, like, when you first voted against Rob and then the second time, so the first vote against Rob, I think a lot of us in the audience were like, oh, no, this probably won't end well because this is going to start, like, do you, when you did that, was that like a spur of the moment decision? Like, what was your thought behind that?

And then also then the subsequent vote, it seemed like the talk was between you or Stephen, but you were trying to do a push for Rob. Do you feel like you kind of like split the vote? Do you think if you had just piled on to Stephen, it would have been better for you? I'm just as a fan of the game. Like, I love to feel what was going through your head. So with my first vote, that was a strategic move. I knew at that point, I knew earlier that day.

that I was probably not going to make it because whatever seeds Rob had planted, he had garnered enough trust by like shoving his bathwater, on everybody's throats and gotten them to like get on board with him, that they were not going to trust me over him. It just, there was, I knew there wasn't a lot that I'd be able to say because I'd seen it.

I'd seen just the very hard-lined, like, vehement, like, what's not Rob, so who else is it? As people are, like, going through the list. So for me, the moment was about if I'm going to go out, I'm going out clearing desks. And as much as I can within the confines of the game, I'm going to shout Rob's name so that even when I'm gone, my going. will live on as I people can hopefully somehow recall back to well, why did Candace do this? This doesn't make sense. It's out of the blue and the other question. Oh, it was basically actually all wrapped up in that. At that point, did you realize it was like, oh, it's too late. So I'm just going to just put all the put it all on to Rob as much as possible.

Yeah. Yes. And I there were no one was really saying Stephen to me. I was not hearing Stephen. And at that point, there weren't a lot of people left, but I was hearing people say that they were hearing my name, and that was it. That was all I was hearing. So then I was, my goal was just to, as much as I could, get people to look at Rob without, you know, just blurting out his. is named. Yeah. My God. Well, great job. It was a great season. And it was good to have to do that. On the TV. Can you tell us about your, you have a new podcast out, right? Can you tell us about it? Yes. I have a new podcast. It's called Undomesticated. We are on the Odyssey Podcast Network.

It features myself and my amazing co-host, Michael Arsena. And we are talking about everything that's happening in your group chat at your kitchen tables. We're talking about, we do a segment where Michael talks extensively about baddies on Zeus, because he is a baddies fan. We have a segment called Nobody Asked Me, which was kind of born out of my, to quote my former boss, my being a disaster on Twitter. It's a space for really me, but anybody that comes on the show, to just opine about whatever. Like, nobody asked me, but I think that Mora is a fool for accepting the Birkenbag or whatever you want to say.

So it's just, it's a space to get your thoughts out about anything. We talk about relationships. We talk about pop culture. People were kind of like up in arms that I was talking about housewives. Why did you lead the show if you're going to talk about housewives? Well, housewives in pop culture. So if there is a, a breaking news. moment like my former cast member potentially going to jail, God forbid.

We're going to talk about that. Like, that's, that is, that's, that's, that's the news of the day. That should be all they're not going to let NFL people talk, be football commentators. I mean, the whole point is that you have the experience that makes you more informed to talk about it. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, that's, they are.

And that's, but that's, that is a small grain of rice in comparison to everything else we discuss. Whatever is happening in pop culture in the zeitgeist, we are discussing, and we're doing it with Michael's sort of signature cynicism and my just patient for being mouthy and loud. And, you know, the mess you see before you. We love that. And you have a new single out too. We also would have to promote for everyone to go download it and listen to it, right? If only. Yes. If only, yes, it is the new single that will be a part of my new album, which will be coming later this year. I do also have a remix coming if only with an amazing vocalist.

I won't say who yet, but an amazing vocalist that you all know and love. And then I will actually be going on tour with this person later in the year. So lots of exciting moments on the on the music front. There's also a visual out on YouTube in vivo. You can check out and just keep streaming and downloading and letting me know what you think. I love all of the feedback on the song, and I can't wait for you guys to hear the remix and the next single, which will be coming soon as well. Fabulous. Well, congratulations on that. I mean, in my mind, I do believe that you have one of the very best Housewives songs in Drive Back. Love that song.

Yes. Thank you. Thank you. you. Candice, you were hilarious. Oh, my God. Thank you for spilling all this tea

on our podcast today. You were great. Congratulations on your run on the traders. And thanks for being here with us. Everyone go check out our

podcast. Thanks, Candice. Thank you, thank you, my. Take care. Bye.

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