Watch What Crappens - #3260 RHOBH S15E13 Part Two: Madame Butterfly AF

Episode Date: March 13, 2026

This is part 2 of a 2-part recapThe Real Housewives of Beverly Hills are in Italy, and they’re still trying to make Amanda scream and yell about something. Anything! She won’t be manipulated, though, and stays placid. Even her cult story is boring the ladies. Don’t worry. A private opera will spice things up! Don’t tell Timothée Chalamet. To watch this recap on video, listen to our bonus episodes, and get ad free listening,, go to Patreon.com/watchwhatcrappens. Find bonus episodes at patreon.com/watchwhatcrappens and follow us on Instagram @watchwhatcrappens @ronniekaram @benmandelker Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hi, everyone. Welcome back. This is part two of a two-part recap. If you're wondering where part one was, we'll go check in the feed and be sure to subscribe. It's that way you always get your episodes. But enough of that, let's get right back into the episode. So Boise is like, well, but it does come up. It does come up. And is it something to be hidden. Is that why? Why is it? Why do you want to hide it? She didn't hide it. It's in her blog post. That's the point. And Boz is like, okay, there's no problem if it's there on purpose. So what are we even talking about? She's like, it just felt like a deep knife to get dirt on me. Well, I mean, you should take it as a compliment because I don't usually Google anyone. But you said you've sold hundreds of thousands of books, so I went to research a book, Amanda Francis, cool as fuck. But, like, cult is like a serious word, because, like, the moment you say cult, you then have to say Gaia. And, like, literally, who would wear that? Like, so gross. Absolutely.

Meaning the criteria for a call in the environment. has to be unique, controlling systems of reward and punishment. I get it. I researched it before I said that I was in a cold so that I was more credible when I said that I was in a call. By the way, Amanda complaining that they were potentially doing a deep dive or like doing research on her to like dig up dirt when she essentially started the season telling Sutton that she had talked to someone who knew Avi and that Avi was talking shit about. Sutton, like don't people in glass houses shouldn't throw manifestation journals. That's what I'm saying. She didn't Google. She just went to a gay bar. She went to a gay bar and she got all the dirt. So then, Drew's like, what was your experience? And she says, oh, so you want to talk about the cult right now?

She's like, isn't this what you're talking about? Sure. Well, the way their reward and punishment worked is that, no, just start up from the beginning. Go back to the beginning. And so Amanda's like, ah, okay, let me open up this pain for everyone. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Just to start this off, right?

Like, the purpose of the cult, is it like a religion? I mean, give us the highlight reel. Okay, logline it. Elevator pitch me. Do they serve prosciut melon in this cult? Because it kind of sounds amazing if they do. I love Rachel just being like, make this quick. Because I'm already bored by you.

The highlight, she's like, cults in Hollywood are old news. Like, this better be a good cult. We've had, like, Netflix has brought us so many good cult stories over the years. You cannot come in here with, like, I was Christian. Okay? So make it better. So she goes, okay, highlight real. Okay, girl growing up in the Bible Belt, very close to her youth pastors.

They were like parents to her. They were moving to start a church, so they recruited a lot of their church youth to go with them. And at first it was like a church internship, and it was like pretty chill. It got scary isolating, scary controlling, and I wasn't speaking to my family. And the more isolating and controlling it gets, it's like, you no longer have words or language for like regular world anymore. Because you're like in the system that's like not normal. So, like, you just, like, can't go out to the world and you can't have a conversation because the way you think and speak is like, so not of the world anymore, right?

I'm like, that applies to every single woman on this show, by the way. I mean, I don't, I'm just listening to this story trying to get the cult part. And Doree goes, so, we're out in the woo at that point. And she goes, well, yeah, we had day jobs to support the church, but that was just like recruiting for the church, which let, so, so you did go out into the world. I like that Doreet's just like squinting at her like, mm-hmm, got you. I think if you're encouraged to like not talk to your family anymore or cut off ties, that does feel a bit more culty to me, you know, like, yes, it does sort of also feel kind of like,

okay, you're just being super religious. But there's sometimes there's a fine line between being super religious and being in a cults, to be fair. Well, yeah. I mean, look, I feel like it gets tricky because there are people who are like, But I was an occult, and it was like this. And it's not, I'm not even saying anything against that. I'm saying that Amanda in general comes across is completely full of shit.

She's a drama queen. Whenever she has a problem, it's like she becomes this huge victim in a way. It's like, you know, I'm mad at you. My son died. Okay, well, we'll talk about it later. Then it's later. But you talked about it when my son died. My son died.

My son died. My son over and then it's like, okay, well, you know, don't be weird. Don't say that in my own house. Oh, my God. Last night I had crippling anxiety because of the abuse I suffered at this time. It's like everything she says is she spins it to make herself this huge victim. And so I think at this point when someone's like, I'm in a cult, or I was in a cult and I ran away to the point where they make a blog post about it and make their online personality kind of about this, it needs to be more than I was in this kind of church where I followed the youth pastors and then they felt controlling and then I left. Like, yeah.

It just needs, like, just for your own story, it needs to be more. I'm just giving you tips as somebody who, like, is into this stuff. You need a better pitch for your cult, because this doesn't sound too bad. You know what is? It's like, you know, it's like Delta Comfort Plus, not really business class, but like a little something, a little touch a cult, you know? Yeah, it sounds like a touch of cult, is what it sounds. A touch a cult. So no one's really buying it.

They're like, okay. And she says, yeah, you know. Like it went, it got crazy as it went on. And I finally said to the pastor, I was like, y'all, I want to go to college. But didn't you say you were like in your 20s when you joined? Well, I was 16 when I met them. And then I moved and followed them after ministry training. So I was like 19 then.

So when you're isolated and young like that, those are like the only people you socialize with, right? Like, because I'm just trying to help you build up the cult feeling of your story. It sort of just feels like you went to Florida. Okay, so cult, cult, right? Yeah, yeah, you're very impressionable. You're very impressionable. I wasn't an Emilio Wester V's cult. Sirica's like, when I think of cults, I think of Charles Manson.

I think of people out there murdering people. What about that mother god cult? You know, the woman that turned silver and they carried around a dead body around the back of a stage wagon or something and wrapped in a Christmas lights or something like that, mother God, you know? Like that's the kind of shit. That's it. It's so funny. She's like, the lady turned silver.

and then they carried a dead body around in the back of a station wagon wrapped in Christmas lights. Now that, that's a cult. I never heard about this one. Did you know about this one? Yeah, the mother of God. Oh, yeah, that's a good one. There's a documentary about that one. I miss that one.

I mean, I feel like I know the big ones. You know, obviously, the Halbop one. Well, I forgot their name. The ones that were the Nike shoes and they were like a heaven's gate. Heaven's Gate. There was Branch Davidian. There was nexium. There was wild, wild country. All I felt like I know all. That was a good one. Wild wild, country was a very good one. That's a great cult. Yeah. That's a great cult because as I was watching the documentary, I was sometimes really on the cold side. And I don't often feel that way.

But I was like, you know what? They were doing some pretty cool stuff. They built a whole society. Like let them just have their own little world, you know? Yeah, what happened with that when they just got greedy in the end or something? Well, they had a lot of town gown kind of issues, meaning that the locals didn't like them and were being sort of aggressive towards them. And so then they were sort of fighting back. And then it was like they tried to poison people at a salad bar in the town. Right. They poisoned the salad bar.

Yeah. Yes. Wasn't. But then there was, but, you know, the other thing is that the documentary presented them as this like very utopian society. And then the other side of it was like, no, they were doing crazy. like sex orgies and blah, blah, blah, but also like let them have their orgies, right? Utopia. Anyway, I somehow miss this one.

I missed this, this mother god cult, which makes me sad. There was the one. The one, the Carolinas, you know? The Carolinas? What's that one? The Kool-Aid one. Like, drink the Kool-Aid comes from that. Jim Jones one.

Yeah. Yeah, some good cults out there. Yeah, so you've got a lot of competition. You know what I mean? You can't just be like, well, I followed some youth pastors. I had to get a job. It's like, I need more, you know? So I think that's what Eric is saying, and I agree. And so she goes, but, you know, I mean, maybe it's not like the Manson family, but maybe it's a cohesive, tightly controlled environment. And some people are taught, you know, some people thought Bickram Yoga was a cult. So fuck you're gonna do. I don't really know what the point of Eric is a little bit. I don't know what I'd love was. Erica's having the best season she's had in a long time.

She's so funny just being there commenting on everyone else's stuff. Yeah, she's sort of like moving towards like just a queen at this, drunk queen at the bar. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial. So, Doritas goes, So was there any physical, emotional, or Pringle's abuse? Emotional, psychological, but not physical or sexual. Oh, and they want the girls to marry the boys in order to...

Well, I mean, you make babies right away, and I mean, then you're stuck there, am I right? But do they let you leave freely? And Amanda's like, oh, I ran away in the middle of the night. And I was like, oh, so Jennifer said, did they ever track you down? She's like, well, they tried. I called the place where the pastor was licensed and ordained and told them to call him and to leave me alone. And they did, and I never heard from him ever again. And Jennifer just goes, wow, that was easy.

She's like, I canceled my membership to the cult. It was very simple. It's harder to get out of a 24-hour fitness than this cult. Tell me about it. I'm still friggin subscribe to LA Fitness, even though I've canceled. Dude, me too. I still have 24-hour fitness calling me from like 20 years ago. And actually, I had to write like a lawyer letter.

I had to do all this stuff. And I finally got out of it. But then they refunded my money and I didn't know about it. And it's like $200. dollars that's been sitting in like the money owed thing in the state. So my uncle keeps going through to see if any carums are owed money because he's a miser. And he keeps every year he sends me an email, Ronnie, you have money with 24 hour fitness waiting for you.

But I can't get it because it's my old address from like a zillion years ago. And I don't have anything with that address on it anymore. So it's just sitting there. Texas has it. Thanks a lot 24 hour fitness. You see 20 years later or something, I still can't get that fucking money back. That's a cult, Amanda. Well, it's like LA Fitness, how I canceled my LA Fitness membership back in like

2020 or so, like pandemic around then. And then I discovered four years later that they were still billing me, which is my own fault because I should look at my credit card statement more carefully. But like, there's a lot of stuff on that statement. I'm sorry. I got lost. I don't know what happened, but I didn't see it. But I don't have any like, I don't have a paper trail.

I don't have a paper trail. It would be like, I canceled it on this day because I went into the gym and I said, I'm canceling or I called them up. Whatever it was, I don't have the paper trail. So now I'm just like, I've been paralyzed because part of me is like, I'm going to fucking, I'm going to do something and like get my money back because I'm principal, this is terrible because like, on principle, this is awful. But then part of me is like, well, but then I just have a membership.

So like, I do have access to LA, LA Fitness around the country, technically, right? So I'm like, I'm like, I don't know what to do. And now I'm just stuck getting charged like $14 a month. You're still getting charged? Yes. Oh my gosh. Well, you have to be able to stop it now, and you can still write the letter now and have a... Yeah, I think I should.

I think I should. Principal is probably the best way to run your life. So, you know what, guys? I'm going to leave the LA Fitness Gold. I'm going to do it. They stop fucking charging me about $12 or $14. Although that is kind of cheap. That's what I'm saying.

It's like, part of me is like, if they've been charging me like $35 or $50, I'd be like, I'm out. but it's like a really good rate. So I'm like, I don't know. You're like, maybe I'll be in the city with an LA fitness. It's actually my gym in L.A. is like a one-off gym. So if I'm elsewhere in the country, I don't have access to gym memberships, but like, do I really need gym memberships around the country? And then I think about it.

I'm like, what should I do? And then I'm like, I'll just decide tomorrow. And then I just never make the decision. And there goes another $12. Gosh, I love that. So anyway, Jennifer's like, well, I think everyone is interested in this idea. that someone like Amanda with like five mom cars and really bright lipstick got it attached to a coat. But then she's like, but then I laughed.

And then we're like, oh, my God. And then what happened? He ran away in the middle of the night. And then she's like, that's it. I mean. It's like the end of the Sopranos. Yeah. It's like, what?

So Doreen's like, well, if you have to escape. in the middle of the night. Surely there must have been some type of pressure." She's like, um, I'm happy that you brought this up, actually, because like, it really wasn't at the forefront of my mind anymore. But then I brought it to me, and, you know, like, I had a really great conversation with Erica, and then I sat down, guys, I have an announcement. I outlined my next book, and Bose was like, Bha, ha, oh my God. Those is like, this charlatan, this montabank. So, Carl's like, everyone's just like, oh my God.

Amanda goes, and it's going to be on this topic, which is all kind of perfect. And I'm like, really happy about it. And Rachel's just like, oh, my God. Rachel turned her head away. She just moves her head. And Kathy's like, oh. Well, did you ever want to go back after you laughed? Because there was something that made you want to leave the system.

Oh, man, okay. Well, I don't know if I have the stamina for this story. Oh, God. Amanda is the most boring story I've ever heard. So she takes a dramatic sip of water. And Doree, it's like, well, if you're going to write a book about it, you're going to need stamina. Trust me. As I'm a book writer.

Well, I can write a book. I've proven that. And then everyone's just like, whoa. So Amanda says, I believe that when you're opening the, life, you get exactly what you need. And I didn't know I needed a bad shit crazy person bringing up the cult all the time to inspire me to write about it. But God delivered. And we are going to capitalize on it. We're going to write the book. Thank you to read. Bless her and her ghost writer. She's so fucking crazy. So did I send you this, um, did I send you this social thing of her

that she put on Instagram this week? Come on. Let me make sure we can. I'm going to play it for you now. It's Amanda with her bright red lipstick and a hat and she's walking around and this is one of her positive Instagram messages. I bet I can help you raise your vibe in about 30 seconds. You ready? Everything works out for me. Money comes quickly and easily to me. Life is on my side. God is on my side. I am on my own side. I know who I am. I know what I do. I expect the best. I receive. I receive. I receive. I receive. I the best. I am the fucking best. I create good shit in the world and I get paid for it. I love who I am. I love what I do. I know my worth. I know my work. I know my role in this world. It's all for my good. It's all in my favor. Oh, just shut up already. Why do I feel like that's what she says. It just keeps going. I know my worth. I I love my worth.

I love what she talks about. I have what I need. I know my worth. You know who I am in this world? She's walking past like recycling bins. She's like, yes. Also, like, literally the most culty things you could be saying right now. She's like, guys, I left the cult and I'm safe now.

As she's like, she could not sound like more of a cult leader than she does in this moment. Yeah. I mean, you know, the. The message isn't bad, like telling people, you know, you need to believe in yourself and positive thinking and everything. I think it's more the price list that I'm like, oh, fuck off. It's like, well, okay, here's what you got. $15,000 to journal. I'm like, no, no, ma'am.

So, yeah, she's full of shit. So a sudden's like, well, it's funny to me that everyone's like, why do you want to share a room with Amanda? Well, she's interesting in this very wild way. You know, because Amanda, you have a very interesting life. Okay, so how is the rooming? Do you enjoy it? Is the man to ever fart? Can't imagine her ever farting.

Well, you actually listen to Taylor Swift when we got ready. Sounds like, yep, having a great time. Having a great time, rooming with her. Wow. We listened to anti-hero four times in a row. I love that Eric was disgusted. She's like, oh, God. Rachel's like, like, wait, what happened?

T-swept? Like, what? Um, so Sutton is like, uh, she's like, well, I just want to make sure that she feels welcome here in Florence with us. That's it. Oh, oh, well, you're getting soft, something brown. Yes, I am getting soft. Katty goes, well, she can switch on a dime. Watch out for Sutton, right? You're up to something brown. So now it's the next day and Kyle's doing lunges in the driveway. And she's like, oh my God, I'm going to talk. I'm like jogging in place and stuff. And then we see Amanda and Sutton in their room. And Amanda is recording an Instagram reel. She's like, good morning. I have some exciting news.

I am writing the God book, you guys. Maybe I'll call it like spiritual as fuck or something. I'm not sure. Because like everything says as fuck at the end because that's my branding. And that's what I saw one night. And I believe in it. I'm only even mean. You guys, I name the book.

and I've talked about it on Instagram. It's happening. Thank you, Universe. And thank you. I love Amanda clinging on to the as-fuck, you know, convention, just like desperately clinging to 2017. She's like, guys, I'm going to name everything AF. It's so cool. She's like that.

She's like hanging on to Stasi slang from 2017. I know. Seriously. She really kind of is. Like, even Stasi's moved on. So now, um, Doretti's. It's getting glam and Jennifer Tilly goes, she puts on a mask and then she takes the glass elevator down to the first floor and first she gets startled by the polar bear that's a wittaker down there. It's a fucking polar bear right next to this glass elevator.

And then she realizes that she's actually trapped. And she's in some weird face mask. Did you already say that? So her face is like coming off and there's a polar bear and she's like, um, hello. Hello. She can't get out. I just wanted a cappuccino, not the beginning of lost. And then we go to the villa courtyard.

And I just got that lost reference. I just said that we go to the villa courtyard. And now Kyle, on the heels of Kyle acting like she wasn't totally, you know, influencing Amanda, like Amanda thinks for herself and has her own opinions. Now we have a scene where Kyle is going to tell Amanda how she should act and behave. and respond to everyone in the group. Yes, it's the Kyle and Amanda, it's the Kyle in Sudden Pep Talk.

So they come, they come out, and they go to Amanda, who's sitting there on her laptop. And Kyle's like, what are you guys? And she's like, I'm writing my book. I feel like it's like Amanda has like a crayon and she's like on a pad, just like making big pictures. I'm writing a book, guys. So Kyle is like, so how are you feeling about last night?

You want to be getting angry at someone? She goes, well, if I'm being really honest, And Kyle goes, that would be nice. I think I always am Kyle. Whatever. So to me, the energy feels hostile, tense. You could cut it with a knife, and that's not fun. That's not how I want to do dinner.

Like, that's not how I want to do it. It was hostile. Well, then you have to make it stop. Yeah, but the person who can keep their chill and just say what they want to say is the person has more control. So it goes, well, I would go crazy. If someone went and found something and tried to make it really negative, It's not like she was saying, ooh, this is all fascinating to me.

Tell me about this cult. It's more like, well, you're in a cult, you weirdo. That's how it comes across. Get mad. So? Well, I mean, do you not feel like she's judging you about the cult? I mean, she's probably judging me. And so Kyle's like, well, and she was upset for you for judging her about the PK thing,

but then she's judging you about the cult. So why don't you tell her if she has such an issue with people judging before getting to know them, then why are you judging me for being in a fucking cold? That's what you need to say. Hello. Are you going to write this down? Write it down. Write it down. Kyle giving a seminar on how to be a housewife, which is hilarious. But also, like, it's like the manipulation is just so blatant. It's just right there. Like, she has to resort to just, like, blatant manipulation for this Amanda girl.

But honestly, she's also not totally wrong, I have to say. So Amanda's like... Well, and also Sutton, it's like they're both, you know, Sutton's like, I'm friends with Doreet now. So that's why I'm going to get this girl to yell it Doree in the proper way. That's why she was trying to use this girl as a weapon. It's just, it's like, it's like deciding to arm somebody, but they give it giving them like a floppy foam sword, you know? She's just not, she's not a good weapon. Get a better weapon.

You're trying to train the wrong gun. They've got the wrong Trojan horse here. They just have a Trojan condom. So Sutton is like, like, Amanda, I'm sorry, but you're frustrating me. Okay, don't let her steam roll over you. Only we're allowed to steam roll over you. Okay. Yeah.

Like, don't let anybody, okay? I'm going to get ready, guys. I can't talk in circles, because you can't make a cat a dog. I don't know what you meant by that, but you probably should just go. It's not an expression, Kyle. That's not a thing. You can't even make a dog stop eating cat poop. Why you're trying to watch while you were asleep on your new Roley TV in living room?

I thought that was pretty iconic. Like, can we make it a meme? Can we make it like a gift that's like really unfleek? You can't make a cat a dog, guys. Okay, I'm going running now. Um, so Sutton is like, well, connect with your feelings, okay? And share them. Share them. Why am I eating Cheetos? Why? God damn. See? That was me being in touch with my feelings. God damn chitos. God fucking chitos. And I still eat them. Yeah. It's just my nature, Amanda. Learn. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Five alarm fire in the Rachel's own room. Guys, I can't even believe this. Pamela. Pamela, I literally wake up out of a jet-lagged blackout sleep. And I get this message from Caius and he says, Mom, I heard you match with Amanda Francis. I was like, oh my God, how did you find out?

I'm like, mortified. I'm embarrassed. Did you get to have your pursuit melon this morning? You didn't even get to have that. I'm like, it's awful, Pamela. So I want to kill myself because I can't even believe I wasn't awake. And it was like 6 a.m. my time here. So like, I feel I'm just going to throw up. Like, time differences. Like, oh my God. Pamela. Yeah. I get this text from Caius. And he basically tells me, you know, his dad sat him down to talk about the girlfriend. So Dorek comes in. She's like, baby, oh, baby.

Didn't me, what's wrong with you? Baby! Look at this text from Ceyet. Look at it. Look at it. I'm sorry, it's hard to read because the text is moisturized. Just wipe it off a little bit.

Okay, you can stop reading now. It's too much. The conversation I have with him, you know, I won't say his name. Roger. No, just don't say it. Don't say it. Okay, it was just to tell him, tell them about the boys, about the girlfriend.

And like, I said, don't bring her around without my consent. Like, I thought him bringing her to the airport before camp was the worst. And I already annihilated him for that. Okay. But then the first night you're fucking with him, you're like, he brings her along. No. Yes, the first night in like five, six weeks. And like, this is what you do.

Dad. But he knows you're a wee. He knows I'm a wee. He knows you're a wee. He knows I'm a wee. He knows you're a wee. I don't know what you're talking about, but yeah, he's a fucking asshole. He's a fucking asshole.

Oh, my good. This guy with him. No, he's at his best friend's house. So, like, Kai Kai, went without Sky, Sky, and without Mimi. It was terrible. Who's Mimi? Just me. So, what prompted him in that moment? You're not around. He just decides to drop, drop a bombolino?

Well, can you imagine this? It's like, Kias can't even reach me. And then I can't even call him now because it's like 5.30 in the morning there. Like, the whole thing is so twisted. This is confusing to me because she's already said that the kids know about the girlfriend. I mean, they've talked about it on here. But yeah, I guess that's something you need permission for when you like introduce that. And Roger, I guess, sat them down. Sat them down and was like, I'm going to tell you, like, daddy has a girlfriend or whatever. He, like, had, like, the talk. And Rachel did not know that he was going to have that talk.

So men are so stupid. Why are they always in such a rush? It's like, oh, here's the new one. Yeah. This just happened in my family where the ex is like, hey, I know I haven't seen my kid in months and months. So I'm going to make a dinner to see my kid. So they go and they're like, okay, I'll go meet you for dinner. And he shows up.

And then the new girlfriend shows up. It's like, surprise. And they're like, yeah, I didn't agree to come to dinner with you and your girlfriend. And he's like, oh, why? It's just a surprise. Like, what is your desperation with like forcing this? Your kids don't care, you know? Think about someone else.

You fucking, yeah, that's annoying. So, Doreet's like, sharing your kids with your kids that you have a girlfriend is such a finality. Because you know what that does to a mother thousands of miles away, not being able to sweep in and grab your kids and make it better? He makes you feel like a failure. A failure who's matching with Amanda Francis. Just insult injury.

Yeah. Forcing my kids to be in a situation where they don't feel comfortable. I mean, one time, Kias went to a school that didn't have moisturizer in the bathroom. And he was out of there in two seconds. I'm not putting up with this shit. To me, this is absolute blatant, disrespect, disregard for the family dynamic. And it's like the only thing that I'm actually thinking about now is like, how do I get home? Is there pursuit melon on the plane?

Can I just get on a melon, wrap myself in pursuit, and fly to California? How do I do it? There's no way I'm having fun right now. What do you mean? There's proscied melon here. Oh my God, I love this trip. I'm staying. Kai, do with it.

I love you now. I love here. They can come to me. So, Dorete is like, are you going to message Rooja? She's like, um, yeah. I already did. I was like, what the fuck are you thinking? I was like, did you ever take drugs?

And you know what, if I ever took drugs, now would be the time. Because if I ever smoke cigarettes, this would be the time. This would be the time. If I ever burned cars in the street, now it would be the time. Okay. If I ever provided cocaine to Lindsay Lohan, now would be that time. What was that? Deerratically, guys, if I had any vices, I would have them right now.

Oh, gosh. So that's that. So Amanda is just a blue. I love this Amanda just being like, Why? But now I'm writing my book in Italy. I just don't understand why everyone's so man. But they do need to stop trying to make this fight between Doreet and Amanda happen.

It's over nothing. Give me a break. You guys need to do more. I cannot believe we're about to enter episode 14. And you guys are still trying to get Amanda to fight with Doreet about some innocuous comments she made in episode three. Come on. I know. It's a real challenge. It's, wow, running on empty.

Well, I mean, we had fun. That's the good part. Yeah, always have fun. And you know what? I always have fun watching it too, which is so weird. This trip is kind of giving me vibes of that one where they ran Lisa Vanderpump off. And then the rest of the season was like completely dull. And they went to France.

Wasn't that the same season they went to France? And it was so painfully boring. And Lisa Renna just kept running around being like, we're so fun. Are we having fun girls? And I was like, oh, my God, we're so fun without Lisa Vanderpump. And it was just like, oh, God, it's painful. Yeah, at least this season you do have, like, Amanda Francis being a total idiot. And, like, that's like, you know, there's stuff to make fun of there.

And that, once Vanderpump was off of that season, it really came grinding to a halt. But that being said, like, it is, you know, it's fun for us, but it is kind of a tough watch for me. And I just get mad that, you know, Miami is sort of like on pause and being reconfigured. or you have Andy saying, like, well, we just want to get it right, you know, and we got these other shows on. So we just want to get Miami right. And then you got something like Beverly Hills, just taking up space. And, like, this is a show that has really never had to have, like, a moment of, you know, like, reconstruction, you know, or, like, trying to figure it out and, like, rejiggering. And I'm like, I kind of think they need to do that a little bit. Like, they need to give it some time. Actually, they did have a moment. They had one time where they were, like, three months.

They spent like an extra three months before they came back. But like, let's, let's, after the season, let's have like a moment with Beverly Hills. Let's just like to have a hard look at it and see what we can fix. And let's let a show like Miami, which actually, in my opinion, required no tweaks, no adjustments, no reason for pause. Let's have that come back because like there's just no reason for this show to just be getting a pass season after season. Yeah, but this show does have some good things going. going. I mean, the stuff that is good about it, I think is really good. I mean, they're friends of are great. Kathy and Jennifer both. They don't, you know, have to do much because they're just

friends of, but they're still hilarious. I mean, the most iconic thing from this was Jennifer in that elevator. Yeah, a little Kathy and Jennifer from the week. And then Kathy's one line from the episode is kind of the one that they've been using for the whole season and preview. So they've still got that stuff. Erica's been pretty funny this season. Derreet's fine. But I mean, they're going to just They just need to do Bose is a great voice to have on the show. But I mean, honestly, they just don't have anything going on. They need at least three new people who are absolutely cuckoo. I agree.

I think we need some agitators there. I think that Bose is great. I think Doreet is actually kind of great. I think Doreet and Bows and Sutton are all really strong, although we need Sutton's track, not from Brown. I think Sutton's done. Yeah, I think that she probably would be done. I think Erica, honestly, could be moved to friend of. I think as a role.

Erica should be moved to friend, yeah. As someone who comes in who just like, whatever, I don't, like, she's really good in this role, like you said, as sort of being this kind of side character who's just chiming in. That's fine. And then that also takes care of the fact that she doesn't really share anything. And you can keep Jennifer and you can keep Kathy as all friends of. We don't need Natalie. Quite frankly, I think that's Kyle's time to get out. What did you say?

I don't even hate Kyle this season as much as usual, but I think Kyle's just tired and doesn't do anything. She's got to get. I was going to say that. And they have a new anchor now with Rachel. I think so too. I think you can have Rachel as an anchor. I think Kyle, and this is not coming from like a long-standing, you know, like, oh, we just love to dunk on Kyle. But I do think that Kyle may be kind of at the end of the line for her. You know, this is sort of where Candy Burris was, where it's like, you know, ultimately we acknowledge that Kyle is a significant part of this franchise, but she's just, she's just sort of run out of steam. She's not really doing anything interesting. And she's sort of trying to sort of pop, but I feel like she's, She's reached the end of the road. And I think that that's dragging the show down to a certain degree. I think Derreet is still very entertaining.

And Bose is great. All right. So we have get rid of Kyle, get rid of Sutton, demote, Erica. Who else? I think you need to get rid of one more to bring in three people. Like who else? Well, I guess Amanda maybe. I don't know.

Oh, Amanda. Yeah. Did I not say Amanda? Yeah. Yeah. Amanda's just not funny, you know. Yeah. It's fun to watch or annoy people, but I don't think there's anything.

Yeah, she's a good one season. She's a good one season, one and done, you know, like fodder, canon fodder. So get rid of Sutton, Kyle, and her, and bring in three absolutely bonkers people. And then I'm sorry, I would say if we're getting rid of three, I would get rid of Kyle, Erica, Erica downgraded, Amanda and Kyle fully off the show. I think you could maybe give Sutton one more season. If we're getting rid of three, I would say Eric over Sutton, just because Sutton, when she's unhinged is like incredibly entertaining. And I think that she's just trying to have a quote unquote normal season.

And if we can go like get her back to being sort of bat shit, like that would be good. Yeah, I'm not giving passes anymore. I think Sutton's been really good on this. I'm always, I've always been a Sutton fan. But this year is just you're giving nothing. So go. That's what I say. I'm not, I have no more patience.

Like you're all fired. All three of you. And then demote Erica. And demote Erica in the most complimentary way because. Yeah. I think she should still be here. And then get three new whackadoos and have them mixed with this cast. They need it.

They need to do it. It's still the highest rated housewives, you know, I know this is ratings. But they are lower. They are all, they are a lot lower. They're still the highest rated, but they could be so much better and they're coasting. So come on guys. To me, it's very interesting that so many of the legacy shows on Bravo are actually kind of struggling.

You know, New Jersey, they're having issues. They've obviously been having issues with New Jersey. Atlanta has been sort of having issues over the past few seasons. This show is sort of dull. Married to Medicine, a lot of people, it's been all over Twitter for this past weekend. The last week's episode, I think, broke people. And people are just like what is going on with Married to Medicine. It's like Twitter's been like a wash in like, remember the glory days of marriage to medicine?

So Married to Medicine is having issues. Like all the old guard is having issues right now. And the new shows. And obviously Roney is like a perpetual problem now. But like the new shows are flourishing. So it's kind of, I think there's something about these older shows, like, how long do we keep these shows around before you have to, like, give, like, a full refresh? Because if they stick around for too long, maybe they just kind of, you know, die on the vine a little bit. Yeah.

I mean, I still love them all, by way. This all comes from a place of love. It's not me hating on any of it. I think it's probably the same for you. We love these shows. We just want to see them be their best. Yeah. But you do, you know, we see that Bravo still has it, too, because you look at things like,

Um, real housewives of Rhode Island hasn't even come out yet. And I know that's going to be good. That looks amazing. Ladies of London is great. That's a really good one. Miami, I'm, Miami, Salt Lake City, like Potomac.

Salt Lake City had an awkward, it had a kind of a downer last few episodes, but I think for the most part, that was a pretty fun season two. Um, I think Salt Lake City is like a little bit in a danger zone of, okay, you guys are starting to become a little bit too self-aware to, like self-producing but it's still by

and large like super like super super strong show um I think the new Van der Pump rules was Southern hospitality is a great example like that Southern hospitality yeah you know yeah so the good you know they're still pumping out some really good stuff so they've still got a lot of talent around there it's just these legacy shows and being afraid to fire people when it's time you know and it's time

goodbye Kyle goodbye goodbye by the way I would my controversial hot take is that I that I actually think that season two of Dubai was really great. And that also is another example of like a newer show. Although season one I thought sucked. I hated season one. But season two was really good.

So another piece of evidence that we can create something new. And we can like, if you once you like wrap your head around it properly, like Bravo knows how to like put together a really entertaining show. Well, I'm sure they all listen to this. They're all on a board meeting right now. Just playing this. Thank you. Thank you, Bravo. All right.

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