Watch What Crappens - #3273 Married To Medicine S12E15: A Friendship on Life Support

Episode Date: March 23, 2026

Married to Medicine opens its reunion with news that Dr. Simone and Dr. Jackie are beefing. Is this the end of the road for them? Or can Andy save the day? To watch this recap on video, listen to our bonus episodes, and get ad free listening,, go to Patreon.com/watchwhatcrappens. Find bonus episodes at patreon.com/watchwhatcrappens and follow us on Instagram @watchwhatcrappens @ronniekaram @benmandelker Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

And welcome to Watch What Crapins, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo. We love to talk about, I'm Ben Mandelker. Joining me today is the glorious and sweet. Ronnie Karam. Hi, Ronnie. Hi. How you doing? I'm great.

It's Monday. I'm caffeinated. I just had a breakfast burrito. That was delicious. So we can't think of a better way to start the day. Today we're talking marriage to medicine. triumphant reunion episode you know you sit through the awful couple's trips episode three in a row or nothing happens but then you get to the promised land of the married to medicine reunion and all

is forgiven am i right uh so we are talking about that today truly truly and in fact when they show clips of the season on the reunion i'm like wow what a great season i'm like you know it really would have been a great season if they just condensed the couples trip down to one episode or even two just to like cut the fluff and just get to the good stuff anyway that issue though every year i feel like they i feel like every year of the show the year the season starts off and people like this is the best season ever this show so good and we're all so excited and then by the end it's like oh for christ i don't know if maybe it needs fewer episodes you know you know i'm a big proponent of 12 episode seasons i'm a huge fan of a 12 episode season and this one was

close it was only 14 but that would have gotten rid of most of that couple's trip so but you know what It also is a reminder of what a good cast this is. This show, like the core cast on the show is just magic. And every time we have a reunion, you are reminded that these are pros here. Absolutely. Well, they are so funny. And it's like, I'm also like this show's been around for a long time. And there's just so much backstory here.

And, you know, I felt off of it the past like two seasons, I think it was. Two or three seasons. I was like watching it half watching. and I'm really actually happy to have returned to it. You know, you stuck with it like full. You were full in it the whole time. I had like a little bit of a little bit of a break. But I'm so happy to have been back in it,

even with that deadly couples trip because this reunion reminds us like, it's so good. But they also, it is like a show that does kind of hit the same notes over and over again. Like, oh, it's another reunion where Simone has arriving in. She's hot. And she's. declaring that she's never going to be friends with someone ever again. It's like every year this happens. But anyway, before we get into that, it's either Heavenly or Jackie this year. It's both

heavenly and Jackie. It's the whole thing. Before we get into that, though, we have two live things we're doing today. First, at 1.30 West Coast time, which is the same as 430 East Coast time. We're doing Amazon Live. I'm really excited because I am comparison shopping with some steamers. a bunch of steamers. And I did like my own little consumer reports testing here yesterday with steamers. And I have a lot to report back on. And then we have Crappy Hour later tonight at 530 West Coast time, 830 East Coast time. And there's a lot to talk about with crappy hour as well.

A lot of stuff. A lot of public apologies, shows being put on pause, all sorts of junk. So that's stuff that will be happening later today. So we look forward to that. Anywho. Yeah. Yeah, and also our newsletter just came out, which is basically a blog of the week in Bravo. It's kind of a recap of all the shows.

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That's also where you get bonus videos and video recamps. And ad free listening, actually. Okay, let's get into it. Married to Medicine, Season 12, Episode 15, Reunion, Part of One. So people are arriving at the New York City Studios and heavily announces, she's like, My voice is hoarse from campaigning, but I'm going to hang with the girls. I've got a horse voice and so much campaigning to a lot of campaigning. I'm like, sure.

I'm sure it is rough when you campaign like this. Your mama. Your mama want flower of taxes, bitch. Dr. Heavenly Times, what's your stance on global warming and the weather we should pivot towards green technologies? Your mama. Your mama should close her legs. That's what I think about global warming. I'll tell you about a green technology. Your mom is a green technology. That's really all you are to see about that. So, Quad is, you know, excited. Season 12 married to medicine.

reunion here we go. Simone is getting her makeup done and the makeup artist is like, oh my gosh, this is the first time you and Jackie haven't shared a room in five years. It's like the five-year itch. She's ready to fight with Jackie again. Yeah, and she's like, well, I think as my friend of almost 30 years, if you can't stand up for me and speak the truth, then are we even friends? And then we see that something happened, which was that on Watch or Happens Live,

Jackie was, Andy was asking Jackie about the whole situation with Heavenly and did, did Simone push her. And Jackie basically was like, well, you know, I wasn't there. And Andy was like, yeah, but you saw the footage. She's like, well, I don't really know how to use a TV. So I'm not sure really if I saw the footage or was it just a reflection of me on the screen. I have a husband who still. drives a PT cruiser, and I don't understand technology. Thank you. Which was pretty weak of Jackie. I can understand Simone being pissed off at Jackie. That's some bullshit. Because she did not get physical. Now, as is kind of pointed out later, she didn't get physical, but it still got to the point after the arm toss or whatever, whatever you would call it, the arm removal, the hand removal from her arm. It did get into such a bad fight that they had to be physically.

separated, but they weren't. I just, and the only reason I bring, and I know that there's a huge difference in fighting and spouting off and getting physical. Obviously, legally there's a difference. There's a difference. So I'm not saying there's not. It's just funny how Simone is like, I am a professional. And I'm like, yeah, but you still had to be peeled off somebody. So, but, you know, I do get the physical is what makes it. It was. So, yeah, I would have been pissed at Jackie, too. I would have been pissed too. I don't know if I would have thrown out the front. ship over it but i would have been pissed so um yeah simone is like she's just like upset that jacky was staying neutral and then we see jacky's getting ready and quads there and she goes well i see that

you we've got you in a cumbersome situation like cumbersome that's i sure i guess it's okay like is she doing manual labor right now i'm not sure so jack is like i've been there before and you survived it's like being in surgery surgery and you're on national TV and you're just dealing with your friend being cranky. But yeah, pretty much like surgery. So we go to Heavenly and she's like, well, she says she's so hurt by Simone and Simone is unfollowed

her and then I saw the blog and she saw a blog where Simone said that you chose the devil. You know what I'm saying? I mean, come on, Simone's got to do the most. I'm not a devil. I'm not a devil. I'm heavenly. Heavenly times. Well, and then Andy goes to check in on Jack and he's like, well, you're supposed to be in the room with your

friend. I'm sad. and I don't like thinking that I hurt her. Well, you and I had the conversation on Watch What Happens Live, which was so funny. God, God. And she's a doctor. She has a reputation. She has a practice, which is why I press the issue on live TV. And I think it's about what you didn't say, right?

About her boobs. Andy coming in as if you didn't stir up this whole mess. Yeah, exactly. And I like the Andy's like, well, here's what I think. It's what you didn't say. Okay, now I'm going to go stir with her. So then he runs off to her to Simone's room. And he's like, Simone, this is deep.

And I'm talking as someone who's a dad. I've got children. Well, you saved me from a divorce once, and I don't know if you can help me again. I'm like, this is worse than what you were dealing with with Cecil. I, please. I'm sorry. I love Simone.

I think she's great. I think she has every right to be pissed at. Jackie, but like when you start acting like, you know, this is the end of a friendship. I just think it's just too much. It's too much to do that. But that's Simone, you know, she gets upset and that's it. She's like a cut them off, cut them off kind of a girl. But the thing is on these shows, you know, Andy has made it a very big stance in the past few years.

If you guys can't make up, then that's it. Like he did it with Jersey. He did it with, well, I don't know if that was New York's probably like straight up problematic. behavior was New York's problem. But we've seen it happen on a lot of the shows where if you can't be friends, then you're out, you know, like, or we're going to pause the show or whatever. So this is dangerous because now Simone is like half the core cast, you know, it's two people that she doesn't want to talk to. Yeah. That's not good. And then you're putting all of your hopes on some, on Toya to be there for you. Toa is a toil turn. Toya's a turn. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so Andy's like,

Well, tonight we're calling in 9-1-1, and the ladies from Mary to Madison are reuniting. So then we get the trailer, and now everyone comes to the stage. And the stage, is it a stage or is it a landing? Because they've set up the stage to look like the staircase at the Metgala, which is a tribute to the Medgala, except, of course, the Medgala looks nothing like this, because it continues in the story and history of Bravo shows that try to stage a fake Met Gala and look nothing at all like the, you know, the MetGala in New York City. And, of course, I'm thinking of Salt Lake City when Mary Cosby had her Met Gala luncheon at Vultors.

And there was a little red carpet out on the dirty snow. Yeah. This one has crosses everywhere, you know, like medical crosses. It's like the pattern all over the walls. I just want to go out for free mandates. It looks like a red cross. It's weird. So Jack.

There was something, sorry. There was something so jarring about the fact that this was like, made to look like a giant staircase. Like they were just on an enormous landing, but there were stairs above them and stairs below them. Yeah. And it felt like we were in transition. Like it didn't feel like we were like seated somewhere if that made sense.

But like it was on the way up or on the way down, which I guess is a visual better. But also being like really tiny people on the way up. Yes. It's like the incredible shrinking woman like going up or going down. No, let's just stop on this step and have a reunion. It was all red. It just was sort of wacky.

You know, it reminded me of some of those Salt Lake City reunions where they made the site look like, you know, the place that you stand in line and at Disneyland to get you ready for Pirates the Caribbean or something, you know? It's like great Disney-ified. Well, if one thing these ladies know how to deliver is high fashion and high blood pressure, nailed it. Okay, good to see you, Dr. Jackie. You vaccinated for drama tonight? Whoa. She's like, I am, I am double-dosts. Oh, I'm sorry, under the new administration, you've just lost your medical license. But it was a metaphor.

No, no vaccines allowed whatsoever. I'm sorry. Okay, Dr. Heavenly, will you be practicing diplomacy tonight? She's like, mom, we'll see. So, um. You also have lost your medical license. No diplomacy allowed in this room. So he basically just goes around and says hi to everybody.

And Toya gets first seat, which is, you know, of course, it goes to her head right away. She tries to lead the entire reunion. Yeah. And she's like, the set looks breathtaking, Andy. I love that I was able to inspire the people. Yes, Toya. Everyone said, you know what? We need a set that speaks of Toya Bush Harris.

Let's get a bunch of staircases. If you were inspiring the people, it would be a U-Haul. The back of a rider truck. So Jackie's like, well, to a way, you did have a good leader, Andy. He's like, oh, wow, we're going to fight over that. Torres's like, oh, now, so you want to claim the spot? You want to try to take my living art, my living art, Med Gallo? And so then Andy's like, well, okay, well,

Okay, Simone, you brought me some earplugs tonight. It is right. It's the right one that I'm going to be popping in, right? Oh, that was kind of you. Hi, Dr. Mimi. She's like, hi, this is Reunion Mimi. I'm ready to Rumba. Reunion Mimi, strapped in and ready.

And did Troy and tried to sell you a ticket to get on the reunion stage? Oh. So, yeah, Mimi's like, tickets, donations, whatever she wanted, whatever she wanted. So we say hi to quad, and he asks her if blondes have more fun because she's a blonde today. And she's like, that's what the people say, Andy. I have fun every day in my life, though every day

I demand fun. I'm quad, non-cumbosome quad. That's right you do. And hey, speaking of fun, it's America's funnest reality star, Dr. Kadesa. Any predictions for tonight? He goes, well, a stormy night ahead, but at least it's going to be a beautiful war because everybody looks amazing. Okay, that meant nothing. Okay, I was really surprised when I walked into Simone's room today and you and Jackie were not sharing as I think you've

done almost every single single year. It's almost as if someone here had one of you on the stage and kind of destroyed your relationship, right? I needed Jackie, and she failed to deliver. I am an unborn baby still, Andy, and I just wanted to be in a room by myself. I am a pizza that's lost in a domino's truck. I am undelivered. I am an unkept promise, Andy.

He's like, okay. Well, we'll get into it a little late. Well, why'd you bring it up then? I know. I am every parcel on FedEx Ground. Sorry, I had to get that in. Undelivered. It's time for a commercial.

It's time for a crappence commercial. So Andy's like, listen, I'm gonna take a swipe at a FedEx Ground whenever I got a chance. Unless they become a sponsor, in which case, what a great carrier. Yeah. Rightly so. I just had to go pick one up at my neighbor's house.

Oh, God, those bitches. Not your neighbors. Every time. I'm telling you every fucking time. Every single time. All right. Well, I'm really open we can get to a better place, which is what every package of FedEx Ground says.

And I'm confident that we can. Okay, but first let's tear each other down. This season, Toyota put down roots in a brand new home with a giant cherry blossom tree planted in her closet. But as Eugene branched out to a long-distance career, Toyota went out on a limb to run this Medgala, trees and leaves, everyone, and furthermore sap and twigs. Tree puns. Why do you keep calling her Toyota?

Toyota. I'm saying Toyota, but my handy impersonation adds the top to it. Toyota, because a little affordable and reliable. How dare you? She would be so pissed if you called her Toyota. She doesn't want to be at least make her Alexis. Toyota is actually an amazing, like, nickname for her Toyota

Toyota Camry She's so I don't think she's as reliable as that Just maybe a Toyota Just like a Toyota I don't know toys are actually all reliable right You're like I cannot diss a Toyota Not as easy as FedEx ground is it No but Toyota is a diste you know

Because she thinks I think the diss would be something along the lines of like You know you think you're at roles but you're really just a Toyota Or something like I don't know But like we'll have to workshop that you know So, of course, we ask if Toyota, damn it, see, if Toya is still in the same house. Oh, if Toya is still in the same house. And she's like, where else will I be going to be?

And he's like, well, you have had many homes. And she's like, paid for a ball. I purchased for the ball. I purchased the ball, Andy. He's like, okay, well, I'm not questioning ownership. Okay. Heavenly, is this Toya's forever home? And then she's like, no.

Then this is called Forever a bitch. But no, she'll sell it in a few years and get a profit. and probably moved to a condo by herself somewhere. And they're like, what? And God's like, by herself. Did I say that? I'm so sorry. Did I say that?

Did I really sorry? I didn't mean that. I didn't mean that. I didn't mean that bitch will be living on her own. I feel like she's going to sell it and get a great profit and move it to something higher. Higher in a tiny apartment somewhere where she'll just have to run hell alone because she's pushed her in a way. Did I say that part too? Oh my God.

I'm really sorry. Well, Ingle from Wood, California said maybe if Toya treated Eugene with more respect, he wouldn't want to spend all that time on the road. Oh, okay, as a Toyota who lets go places, as in a new house, I just want to say, I think that some people are projecting like the other, like the people on that side of the couch. She doesn't have a clue what's going on in my room. We don't yell at all the time, but it happens, you know, and I think it happens whenever was household. So, you know, I'm Toya. Um, well, you said, Simone, you said Toya's, uh, skip a day of work party was actually like every day for Toya. She's stand by that.

She's like, I stand by it. Toya has a great life. She keeps emaculate house and keeps it up well, Andy. And no one would be able to go there and say it needed pressure watching. And so we flash back to Mariah being like, pressure wash your house, bitch. I forgot about Oh, and they burn. Listen, the pressure washer, baby.

They've got the pressure washer out there. Cumbersome pressure washer. All right. Well, 3M from tape says, Toya, you said some women love watching you and Eugene argue while misrepresenting their own relationships. So what do you mean? She's, uh, well, I just think that it's like very easy for certain ladies to deflect

because like you haven't seen any cheating in my relationship and my husband's not telling me he doesn't trust me with my son. So let's stop with the shenanigans because I think everyone on the stage should honestly stay out of my relationship. Stay out of it. You haven't seen cheating. You've just seen my husband finding jobs further and further away. So he doesn't have to ever be home.

So leave me alone and go from wood. And Heavenly is like. Well, but if you wouldn't put it out there, we wouldn't have anything to say, Toya. She's like, well, unless you want Toya to start telling everybody's secrets, she's like, oh, go ahead, go ahead, please. Open the book for everyone. Open the book, Toya, because there's a book that hasn't been opened on Toya's relationship as well. And Toya's like, really?

Well, let's talk about it then because I had a whole next door neighbor that told me about your husband. She goes, oh, really? Well, I had someone on the campaign trail tell me about your husband and what he does in the hospital and why he was fired. Excuse me. Stop this reunion right now and tell me the gossip on both of these things.

Eugene cheated and did something bad in an emergency room? And what else happened? I need to know everything, please. I do need to know. I need to know because, yeah, because Eugene has been sort of doing, I don't know.

Well, I don't know if he was fired or not. That's just heavenly saying shit. And she does make up stuff. But he has been sort of like on I don't know, like when we first met him, he was in an emergency room and then all of a sudden he's like, no matter blue. And he's just sort of going around place to place.

So what is going on with that? So what happened is? So Toy's like, I'm like, well, let's do that. Let's do that. Let's put it on the table. Ladies, if you're going to stay out of everyone's relationship, make sure that flows all the way flew blibbibody bob. So Toy is like, yeah, my part.

The river runs through it. RIPP. Robert Newman, Redford. Let the river run. The river wild, Merrill Streep, White River Rafting. That part. Why do people fly when they fish? I don't even understand that movie.

That movie was stupid. Now, Toya, I do have to say, you have spoken on people's marriages. You spoke on my husband, and she's like, well, I only spoke, Jackie. After, you know, anything I've spoken about your marriage has been after you brought it to the table and we had a conversation about it, even though this time I had a plotline about your husband making me sit on this lap. But whatever. There's no way Jackie is, Jackie is not going back to that can of worms. Okay, she is wanting all of us to forget it. And it was Toya who just brought it up again on Watch What Happens Live and they showed all that. Like,

Jackie did not open that one up to you. Yeah. So then we see the clip of that where Toya is saying that Curtis has put his hands on multiple of the ladies' waists. And Jackie says, well, I've never spoken about Eugene and your disrespect to your husband. I mean, Jackie came out kind of swinging in this one. I was surprised because Jackie usually tries to not fight, you know. And so she's like, well, I've never spoken about Eugene and your disrespect to your husband. And she goes, oh, okay, wow, okay. She goes, and, you know, and Joy goes, oh, wow, at that age, that age, look at that age.

And she goes, uh-huh, well, it looks good on some of us. And she goes, in menopause, Toya, you understand you're like a block away from menopause, right? Like, come on. Yeah, that's gonna be the next place she moves to. So Kades says, like, I'm in menopause. And quite goes, Toya, don't shame of the age, don't age, shame.

Don't do it as a cumbersome time for all of us. She's, I'm about to be 50. I can talk about Adela a walk, okay? Jackie, no one is coming to you about Curtis like I could do. Jackie's like, okay, and nobody's coming to you. Yeah, but Curtis sat my husband down and had a whole conversation. She goes, as he should have. No, no, he should not.

Curtis is the last one that should be talking to anybody's mind. I'm like, Toya, what are you talking about? Well, I mean, I don't think Curtis is anything great, but I feel like Toya is not making a great point here. No, and don't throw age jokes when you live in a metamuseal house, Toya. And also, yeah, Curtis should not be talking to anybody's husband, but your husband is not the, you know, elected leader of this group either. And I'm a little sick of Eugene walking around, you know, uh, fucking lecturing everybody all the time.

Like he's the man of the house. He's not the man of this house. And he needs to sit his ass down and stop getting a women's business is what I say, as a man sitting here spending two hours in women's business. Professionally. Every day. I have to say that like I've always really adored Eugene. I think he's so adorable.

I think he's cute and everything. and, you know, he's the doctor. It's great. And their kids are so wonderful. But I have been this season reflecting on the fact that whenever there is an issue amongst the men's, it's always kind of Eugene in the middle of it. And I'm like, you know, you got to, at a certain point, you guys say, wait a second. Wait a second, Eugene.

And then we have, well, I mean, I'm excited to talk about the Steve Sanders stuff that happens later in this episode because, you know, I have opinions on that. Well, that's good. That's required. But yeah, Eugene and Toya both kind of elect themselves as the leaders. Like they think they're like the head of the show. And it's annoying. So Andy asked Toya when she watched the footage from her party, her reaming Eugene out, what was her reaction?

She's like, oh, it was horrible. I reacted and I reacted poorly. And I was just so upset. And they didn't even show like I unlocked myself in the closet and I was spiraling. I don't want to spiral, especially not in front of people that don't love my family. And for people to keep attacking all relationship or attacking me, I just need somebody to say, with love,

hey, Toya, you went a little far, boo. They did. They all said that. And you were screaming at your husband like a crazy person at that party. You were acting nuts at that party. So for you to come on and lecture anybody about their husband or their marriage is crazy,

Toya. It's crazy. It is crazy. Also, when you say you locked yourself in your closet, it doesn't, first of all, that doesn't have the same impact of when a normal person locks themselves in their closet.

because like for any of us to lock ourselves in our closet you're just like oh i went into this tiny confined space surrounded by clothing for you you went into a giant room with a cherry tree inside you just went into another luxurious space and when you said you spiral you probably just walked around the tree 10 times like i'm spoutelung so although she did lock herself in there probably with anila because remember she was in the closet with anila which would make it's more terrifying i think mainly if Vanilla's mom was there was there too the quad is like well we did speak to you he's like you did quad i didn't say that

when you came to my closet you spoke to me and desic goes and i'll say this andy i think we need to take a little bit of responsibility as well because when that happened a true group of friends would have said okay party's over let's just go no no you guys are all having fun and toy was having a freak out and this is what toya does she was having a tantrum and what real friends do is say, well, fuck her.

Give me a margarita. Yeah, I'm not leaving the open bar and the food that's being passed by strippers. I'm staying at this party. Toria can stay in her closet all she wants to. And so Mimi agrees with us. She's like, no, no, no. My question is like, let's have a conversation, Toya, because at that point, I did not do anything. I didn't do anything to you.

She goes, you literally said, you with your husband, oh, my God, I would never. Yeah, because they would never, you were acting cray cray. And Andy was like, but you said their marriage was cringe. It was giving cringe. Exactly. Mimi's like, no, I said it was hard to watch and it was cringy. But you could have got to yourself. She goes, well, I encourage marriage. But instead you were sitting there gossiping and then you stayed to watch more cringe.

By the way, as if Toya doesn't do this all the time, Toya, who literally her other big storyline is that she weighed in on Angel's relationship with Bernard as if we even care. And now she's upset that while you're having a full on fight, with your husband at a party, a big public party that's making it awkward for everyone, that Mimi says that it's cringe. And now you're upset at that when you have no problem whatsoever commenting on everyone else, whether it's Bernard, whether it's Curtis, whether it's like the guy who works at the UPS store,

like whoever it is. You're commenting all the time. So you know what? This is just what happens. Metamusal House back in the... Metamutal House. I love Mimi just saying. I encourage marriage.

That's so funny to me. So she's like, but instead you just stayed so you could watch more crudge. If it was so cringe, why'd you stay? And she was, actually, I was the first one to leave to you. She's like, uh-uh, because you were the first one that was asked to leave. That's why. And she goes, no, no, it's because you sat there and called us hating-ass bitches. And Heavenly's like, Jesus.

I would never use language like that. And he was like, that is the true definition of projection. Well, me, I can see right now. Holly, you're misled. You're misled. projection, deflection, you don't own shit, and that's your defense mechanism. All right. You rhymed.

We have to move on. Okay, things got a little too honest and raw over the group chat when Heavenly decided to talk to you about Eugene's penisizing it. We see the text again. Girl, I'm between patience, but I had to say this, my man loves me too, but his dick big, so you're loving on some little shit. Let's go. Well, it had nothing to do with penis, ice. It had everything to do with her taking shots just like she did right now. And Toya was like, well, for the shot, it was about a purse.

And when you went to my husband's penis like you wanted to suck it, I'm just trying to figure it out. And he goes, oh boy. It was a shot. You were saying that she has fake purses because she's poor, Toya. That was a shot. And so, Toria's like, usually to worry about your husband's penis because there's nothing bulging through your husband's pants. And he's like, oh. Okay, okay.

And Heavenly just goes, My man is from Barbados, bitch. Dr. Jackie, you enjoy the lead in throwing this year's med gal. I guess we're just going to move on from the penis stuff, which is shocking from me. And he only likes to talk about boobs. Like when it comes to all the penis talk, he's like, oh, God, we're talking about that.

Okay, let's talk about contestants' boobs. Well, to be fair, I think he would be down for the penis talk if it weren't like trying to imagine daddy's penis. It's like, oh, I don't really want to think about Damon's penis. Like, let's be honest. So I love all the talk like every time they accuse Daddy of cheating. I just think Daddy is exhausted. Like that man, I can tell you right now that man does not have the energy to cheat.

No, he doesn't. So, uh, you gave Jackie, you gave Toyo the lead in the med gala. Heavenly said it was to teach her a lesson. Which lesson were you trying to teach toy? And is she capable of learning lessons? Well, when it comes to parties, that's the girl. And we thought that Toya would definitely throw a good one because as we all saw her San Josepay party,

when she yelled at her husband and made it awkward for everyone, and we all left early, was nothing but a success. So why not give her a larger platform? Toya's graded lessons. Watch this. Toya, if a train is going northward at 50 miles an hour and another train is going southwards at 50 miles an hour, How fast are they going when they pass each other?

Drain's are stupid. I fly. I fly all the time. I'm not gonna take a fucking train. See, Andy? So Andy is like, well, so Joy, prove it herself. And they all are, actually all are very complimentary, even heavenly. She's like, yes, it was amazing.

So Andy goes, does that mean something to you that you're getting, you're hearing this from the group? It's a ton. That's it, it's it. But it doesn't erase the facts. Oh God, here we go. That there was so much that I want to want to get up. Oh my God, Taya.

She's like, when you asked about the group chat, you know, I decided this beautiful, beautiful lab coat that y'all gave me, you see, this group, I put the group chat on it. I put the group chat on it, okay? So here's a laser porter for you, Andy. And Toya has pulled, pulls out this lab coat with like screenshots of the group chat,

which is cool in theory, and I don't even know how she did that. But what it meant was that she couldn't really hold it up, and like you couldn't really see the group chat. So it was just sort of like this floppy thing. And everyone was just sort of like, well, that's pretty cool that you made this. It's totally not functional for the reunion,

but like cool prop, cool prop. Jackie's like, wow, I love that lab code. I now have group text lab codes by Jackie. Wait a minute. Back, he's just gonna steal everybody's business. She's very creative, not very bright, but creative. Like when you see a, like when you see a child, child just splatter paint on a canvas and their parents say it's art and the rest of us just know.

Just goop. Let's tell you. So, yeah, no one's really into this because I can't read it. So let's switch gears. Miss Quad found a handsome king. So she put all her energy into IVS. But will they stop making room for each other? Let's watch.

So it's a lot of king, like Loki being an ass. whole. And then Andy asks if they're, if it's true that they're no longer together. And it's true. They are no longer together. And as Quad says, Life happens, Andy. There's also the name of her new sitcom.

Life happens on Freeform starting this phone with Quad. She thought he was the one, was a breakup mutual or not? And she's like, you know, it was mutual. We weren't doing very well towards the end of last year. We tried. but we couldn't get together on some of the fundamentals, Andy.

Yeah, and he's like, whoa, is anyone here been in touch with King? This is a trick question, because I know three people over here have been. Does anyone? And so they're like, basically the couch opposite quad has all been into Toya, Contessa, etc. They all have been in touch with King. And Contessa is like, well, you didn't want him to be here. She was, I didn't say that, Contessa. No, I'm asking.

We're asking, which is why I said it like a statement, right? That's why I made a complete sentence. And, come on, like, well, oh, so you're talking to my ex? And Toya's like, well, you know, he looked out for Ashton for his birthday, which was amazing. And we see that he gave him a luxury car to drive around on his birthday. So, of course, that's all it took for Toya. So Toya's like, love him. Love him now.

Toya would have a fucking fit if she broke up with Eugene and people still talking. to that man. Oh, yeah. She's crazy. Like, what? Of course. We love King. It was a beautiful thing. And everyone in Atlanta was so appreciative when the 16-year-old kid, the kid who just turned 16 was driving in three different lanes in a Ferrari that was too hard for a person with experience

to drive to drive. But yeah, he had a great time, you know? Well, it was beautiful, you know. And y'all went from being so lovety-dovey. And, like, you know, then it was cringy to watch. Watch. Oh, okay. So now that's okay. Cringy. So now that's okay.

You literally like just said the word. Toria. Doria is the biggest fucking hypocrite on this show and I love it. She makes me laugh so hard. I just started laughing when she called it cringy and didn't even, no one said anything and it like it didn't even register with her. I know. Well, the relationship was good and it was good. And then it wasn't.

It was not so good. It was over. I know nothing stays the same. But if you're willing to play the game. It's coming around again, cumbersomely. So someone said that now that Quad and King are no longer a thing, Heavenly decides to speak on it and spin the narrative that King was faking the relationship for fame. But Quad needed a storyline too.

And Heavenly's like, I've never done that. I've never said that. And Quad's like, let me speak. Now, Heavenly, a storyline. I'd never come up with my storylines. I'm not doing that on off-season's trying to figure out what's next. I don't want that type of anxiety on me. What I do as I go with what is currently happening in my life. Yes, and what is happening in my life is that I was in a relationship with King, King, a man who's so vain, he probably thinks this song is about him,

don't you, don't you, don't you? Fame I want to live Forever I want to learn how to fly Fish You want to learn how to fly fish? Because that movie's stupid

Hated that movie Okay well listen Anybody faking IVF for TV is crazy Because that's hard And she's like yeah Why would I go through all these IVF shots In Ghana Where no one was allowed to film me

Yeah seriously Seriously, why would you put yourself through that for TV? I know Toya's still probably trying to think about the answer to that question right now as we speak. Like, well, let's all do that. Hmm. It's a good question. So Heavenly is like, the longest jeopardy theme song of all time in like 16 days of Wow, we've never heard that song get to the bridge.

Toya, well done. We didn't know there was a bridge. That was a complete song, 30 second song. So Heavenly says everything happened how it was supposed to. And then Andy asked Dr. Jackie if fertility struggles, put strains on relations. Yes, Andy. Yes. We saw it in Jackie's own relationship.

So then Simone's like, I have a question and you're more than welcome to say none of my damn business. But if you and King could not decide on whose house to live in or when you were going to get engaged or get married, why did you move forward with IVS? And she's like, he's a great co-parent. Even now he doesn't live in the same household with his daughter and her mom, and he's an amazing co-parent. She wanted the kid, not the man. Exactly.

He was in it to sneak bites of her fish. Literally, it wasn't trying to be wrong. I mean, like, literally taking bites from her takeout. Yeah. And she was in it for a baby. And at a certain point, like, it just didn't work out anymore. Yeah. Well, so you were thinking more along the lines that even if this doesn't work out, I have an amazing sperm donor. I'm surprised that Simone is asking this question as someone who probably has encountered this many times with her patients.

Why is she sort of stumped by this? And Contessa says, well, it did seem to me as an outsider who threw an amazing birthday party for herself that maybe he lost interest, unlike the attendees at my birthday party. And he was just in it for you, like to support you, but not so much because you want a father that wants a kid. And like, that's what it seems like, and he wasn't as interested in that journey as you were. So did I get that right? Are you going to yell at me? Yeah, and Andy says, you know, you didn't seem to be on the same page. And she's like, well, I can only agree.

I can only go on what we both agreed upon, which was we both decided without a gun to his head, or without me pushing him off a bridge, without me having a car saying, I'm going to run you over, without chaining him to a radiator and beating him with a wooden spoon, without threatening to put a banana peel on the ground for him to fall down on, Andy. Without telling him to run off that cliff and he runs and runs, and then all of a sudden he realizes there's no more cliff below him and he looks at the camera and falls down at the Grand Canyon without even that happening. Saying, beep, nope, the entire way.

Without any of that, Andy. Without even doing those things. We decided to go on this journey together. And I never wanted to neglect anything that had anything to do with him. And I've always put my best foot forward in a very, very fast way that I'm uncatchable. And I have devoted myself to that. So when I heard he wasn't on the same page, I said, Damn, where am I missing the mark?

Were you upset? Well, I said, where am I missing the mark? Does that mean you're upset? I missed Mark. I miss Mark. I knew a boy named Mark. I miss him. I miss Mark.

If you're talking about Mark and swear us, I've got dibs on him first. Stay back, bitch. So when's next for you? Are you going to try having a family solo? And she's like, I take it one day at a time, Andy. Having the baby is a lot like alcoholism, Andy. baby steps I decided to take inspiration

from the late Bonnie Franklin Redo going one day at a time one day in a time one day in a time nah nah nah women have beautiful children without men all the time so stay tuned

says someone who doesn't want to have storylines just to happen I'll fight my Schneider someday so now guys are we needing some energy let's bring angel and brandy to the stage angel not so much but brandy did a great job i think brandy's really warmed up into being a good

i mean angel's not bad either but brandy i think was particularly good you know i have to say i've really enjoyed brandy all season long i thought she was really funny and she does like lots of like funny facial expressions too and she seems like she's just like she she's kind of giving like Woman of the People vibes, Greek chorus, you know, where she's kind of like, what is going on with these crazy people that I'm on this show with? And so I've really enjoyed that from her. And Angel's fine. She's giving girl at lunch with aunties. And she's just trying to explain to them. Like, you cannot say that. You cannot say that right here in a loobies and expect to get away with it because I'm going to

call you out on an ante. You cannot talk like that, you know. Yeah, her eyes. She does this thing. She bulges her eyes. And she's also so amused when she gets into it with Contessa. in a few moments. I love that she doesn't get caught up in it the entire time. She's almost like laughing. Like, you got it. No, you fail.

But calls him out. Yeah. It's a great energy to have. I hope she can stick with it. So, Selena, no, not that one, still RIP. From Laredo says, we want to know how an RN suddenly becomes a movie star, Brandy. Or, yeah. Angel?

Angel, sorry. And Angel's like, well, I started in the music industry young, blah. blah, blah, blah. But I do have multiple degrees. Thank you very much. Okay, well, Heavenly, you seem surprised by Angel's dance moves. Were you insinuating that there was something nefarious about her background? And she's like, no, no, no, no, I just think she has a beautiful body and I think she can use it in a lot of different ways. She could be a doctor. She could be a slut, like she is on TV. And that's all I'm saying, Annie. I don't know, I don't know what you're taking from that. Wicked gyal, aka Cynthia Arrivo on Twitter, said,

said, Condessa crashed you out on Brandy because she had a plan to plan two birthday events for herself, and meanwhile Brandy's man set up a birthday dinner for her hassle free. Brandy is Cadessa invited to your next birthday party? And Brandy goes, well, as of right now, she's invited because her and I have had a couple of words. Once I watched some of the stuff that she said that I couldn't hear at my party, me and her had to have a little talk because she knows I don't play about my husband. Oh! And why were you on impress, Contessa?

And Contessa's like, well, I mean, nobody plays about their husband. She's like, or talking about the fact that I had a party. I didn't have a party. I had a dinner. It wasn't a party. Which I actually appreciated that clarification, even though she did just say it was a party a second ago. Because it was. It was just a dinner as opposed to a party.

So Contessa really needed to relax about all that. I guess, but this is a bone of contention now because Contest is like, you did. You did. And Heavenly goes, it was a party. And Contest is like, I didn't say anything. you did say something that was wild of Contessa that night or Contessa got all upset

like jealous Yeah About a dinner And like started dissing that Like dissing the husband for giving her a lame dinner Yikes Yeah and like the husband just calls in to check in And so then Brandy puts them up in front of everyone

But like thank you for the dinner Like I just thought it was like so normal and fine It was not extra at all And Contessa just like lost her mind And she's like So what happened was a big misunderstanding And I can tell you that I came in with good intention I have no idea why I turned into a conversation even about my husband's party.

And that started before I got there. And Brandi's like, who was talking about you, though? Because I wasn't. She was like, well, it was you in Heavenly. And she goes, and Hevley was like, we didn't have a conversation. And then we see, like, the clip. It's Heavenly was talking to Brandi about it. Like, Heavenly instigated this.

Yes, exactly. And she's like, because you kept bringing up the party. And Brandy is like, we did, we said something bad. What did we say? And Heaven was like, we did. It was Heavenly. And Toya is like, yeah, it wasn't, you all was heavenly. Toya, Toy doesn't ever know what she's talking about.

Shut up, Toya. And contest is like, roll the tape. So then we see, and it's just heavenly making the comments. And so Brandy's like, okay, so what bothered you? And she's like, well, look, I apologize. And she goes, well, you came pretty hard. And she's like, okay, well, just let me know when you're finished. And then I'll talk.

I came soft. And that's what I'm trying to say. It's soft under your breath. Next time, come loud. Then I can hear you. and then I can address it in the moment. She goes, you don't think I was loud at the party? She goes, no, because it wasn't a microphone under your breath.

So next time, say it loud, and then we can address it in the moment. And she's like, well, I was just flabbergasted. I mean, we're celebrating Brandy, but somehow or another, I got to call your husband and FaceTime and tell them thank you for some chicken wings. Like, I mean, I just didn't get that. And she goes, oh, girl, bye. Let's get back to this. Let's be clear.

At your party, we spent about an hour with you complaining about your husband to me. And she's like, I never complained. Because you said, Brandy, I've never had a party in my whole life. I've turned almost 50 and I haven't had a party still. And she's like, yeah, I don't remember saying that. Yes, you did. Of course, you were saying that because, you know, people were egging you want to and being like, did God do anything for this? So, Kadasa's like, well, I've had several dinners and your definition of a party is what you had.

That's what you had. Because no, my definition of a party, I've had multiple parties. And what I had was a dinner. Godesta's like, well, why are we competing about parties? I'm not trying to compete because a girl, bye. Yeah, because you are the one trying to compete. So Brandy just rolls her eyes like, okay, Auntie, okay. I apologize if I came to your party in your mind with anything but love and celebration of who you are,

because that day, to me, should have been about Brandy and her inability to throw a good party because it was the day that God decided that this world needed a bad party planner on this earth. Okay, and our world would be incomplete Unless we had a chicken wing throwing dinner party person So they're like, okay, well, let's just celebrate each other then Okay, well donkey from Kong Kills Mario every single time because he's a badass Says, how does Angel in our end not know how much

Litiline? Well, I guess I see where you stand, Ronnie on the Nintendo Wars. Yes, I've been playing. I was playing the, the new, the new game. The Mario Kart against my niece all weekend, and I kept winning because I played Stalky Kong on a best spot. So, thank you. Well, I'd like to see you go up against Rosalina, the Diane Sawyer of the Mario Kart universe. Commercials.

Here comes one right now. How does Angel and R.N. not know how much Lidicane will make your throat go numb? And Angel's like, I didn't read the bottle and I've done a lot of music videos. So you're saying that you're a nurse who doesn't read the directions on medicine. Great. Love to have that. Simone, do you have something to say about medical licenses?

Oh, so Toya's like, oh, my God, she was just the bulb. And she says, yeah, I didn't read it, you know, but it had everything numb. Oh, my God, I couldn't even breathe. So they laugh about that and they laugh about how she's trying to get rid of her. for gag reflex for for blowing people. And this is kind of a long time. It's kind of all she really gets to do in this. I felt bad for her because it's like,

welcome, Angel. Talk about your gag reflex. Okay, thanks. We'll never talk to you again. It was kind of like shitty. And this is what we always joke about. Like the moment that someone says like some kind of like slightly raunchy or sexy tale, like that's the thing that they decide to focus on with the reunions.

And honestly, I don't, I just don't think we as the audience care that. much right it's not me being approved but it's like it's funny in that moment but it's not something that needs to be dwelt upon it's kind of like you know the best jokes don't need to be explained and it's kind of like we're sitting and explaining the joke in this moment and it's not like i care so much about her scrub business but like why don't you ask her questions about her scrubs like why are we dwelling well i hope that that's a thing they better ask her how do you feel about jacky ripping off your business because that was crazy so um they do ask about bernard then Though, I mean, so, um, Toya, uh, wait, do they ask, do they talk about Bernard?

So, Quatt, so Baye Quad is like, actually Quad has asked the question, because Taya, can I ask a question? Why did you ask Bernard Leonard? How did, was Angel in the bedroom? And Tories, well, that was actually a longer conversation than was shown, because I asked him a ton of questions. And Quar goes, because I said, ooh, is she cat watching? And Toya was like, no, I love what he did for a living. I knew, I knew. And Quad's like, but I thought you, I thought you were cat watching. And Tori was like, no, I asked him why they were dating.

Why were they weren't dating anymore? So that's just like the one that was spicy enough to be shown. So basically Toya is saying that's why I asked because I, it was like we were having a longer conversation and I just was, you know, you know, I was sort of pushing it a little bit. But also like, I would have liked some questions about like, isn't this totally like wasn't Toya totally overstepping with all this? Just in general, what Toya was like, oh my God,

I'm never going to set her up with the family. Like, isn't it a violation of girl code? There were like a lot of questions to be had with this, but instead we had the Lita Kane and the blow jobs. Yeah. And Toria's like, oh, it's just a joke. You know, I'm a little intrusive, okay? And so Angel's like, well, what?

You want a little taste of my kitty cat? Is that why you want to talk about it? And she's like, I don't want to taste you. That's another lie that heavily spits out that I, Coochee. And Heavenly's like, you were the one who said you liked women. You said you liked women. I didn't say that. So, yeah, I wish we kind of got into this Bernard stuff because this is all stupid. So now we go to Dr. Mimi, okay? She was voted most likely to try, treat her friends like patients. But when it came to struggles at home, Mimi voted herself most likely to need more affirmations from her husband. Don't we get me? I love story. By the way, I love that this show, they're like angry that a licensed and an accomplished psychiatrists would treat their friends like patients, but then they all go every year to the

Caribbean to do fake therapy with doctors who are not listens to do this and treat them like patients that they're not trained to do. But they're like, well, I was like, no, I only want to be treated like a therapist patient by someone who has no idea what they're doing. I was like, what's wrong? Like, I get it. Like, of course I get it. Like, if you're friends with a therapist, you don't want to be like, you just want a friend in that moment.

You don't want a therapist. I personally, I'm like, hey, you just got some free therapy. That's expensive. And that's also just not true. I mean, even if they say that, if you have a friend who's a therapist, people who are therapists have friends all the time come up to them. Like, oh, my God, could you give me some advice? It's just like if you have a friend who's a doctor or a dentist and they're, could you look at my molar? You know?

Yeah. But also, like, if you guys are having a stupid fight and you're clearly not communicating well, and there's someone who can give you the tools to help you communicate better. And like that way that the like you can have a productive conversation. Like why is that necessarily a bad thing? Maybe for reality TV, it's not such a good thing. But I just am like, I understand why Mimi is like I, it's hard for me not to jump in and to try to help because I can. Because that's what all the doctors would do.

They would all jump in to help. I mean, look at Dr. Jackie being so kind as to potentially diagnose Brandi you with a thyroid issue in her neck. Yeah. I thought you were going to say, I didn't bring up. I thought you were going to say you loved that they go from talking about deep throading dicks to like, let's talk about your child with autism. I know. Then there's that pivot too. Let's not forget. But you're right about the Jackie being shady to Brandy at first and being like, do you have an enlarged thyroid? Like, hello? We're not going to discuss this. So Mimi talks about being a mother of a child with autism and how difficult it is. And I thought that was a good story to bring to TV, and I thought they handled it really well.

And then they're still talking about like therapiesing your friends and stuff. And then we move on to Toya and Mimi budding heads. And Toya's like, yeah, for no reason. I don't even understand it. And Heavenly is like, Toya never owns anything. including your houses. Yeah, because the whole thing was that at Heavenly's campaign event, Mimi had told Brandy be careful about aligning yourself with Toya because

she's stupid, basically because she's stupid. This is not someone you should align yourself with. So Mimi's like, well, Toya, at your home, I never meant to disrespect your marriage. And when you turned away and said, hey, what else should I do? How should I talk to Eugene? I said lean into softness and assertiveness. And she was, I didn't ask you anything. And she goes, yes, you did.

Run the tape, as they say. And so I never wanted to disrespect your marriage. Okay, that's not what I do. I encourage marriage. I encourage it. When I walk into a park and I see a couple just roller skating past each other, I say you should get married. I encourage marriage.

I can't even walk into a restaurant without putting two ketchup bottles together. I just need to marry these ketchup. I can't have two half bottles. I encourage the marriage wherever I see it. So Toya's like, well, I call it Marriage Poppins. Great movie. I encourage him. Marriage Poppins.

I can think accountability. She's like, okay, but she's talking. She's like, yes. Thank you, Andy. Let her talk. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Finally.

Let her talk. So, me is like, I'm just saying that me and Toya never started. We never had a good foundation. There was never a conversation to say, okay, this is who I am. I still don't know who Toya is. I don't know where she lives. She's had a lot of houses. And I'm not saying that I don't want to know.

It's just that we don't have a foundation in order to cultivate a relationship except for a very, very cringy moment. Oh, so some crudgy, oh, so some crudgy, oh, so grungy. Look, she's so crudgy. Yeah, but you know what? The one thing she said was true is that she still doesn't know who I am, but she just sat here. Wait, no, I don't. But I, but I, you're a liar.

And she's like, when we tell her who she should alight herself with, that's the crazy part. And she goes, no, but it's the behavior. And she goes, oh, well, I'm sorry. I was talking. I let you speak now. Can I speak? She's like, no, you did not. You talk over.

Andy has said it over and over. You have talked over multiple times, Toya. Okay, are you done now? I am not done. Okay, well, you were done, but I'm not done now. Okay, well, now you want to chime in, but you just said you were done. I did not say I was that. You did.

You just interrupted me denying that I was being cut off, Toya. So you're done now, right? No. He's locked. It's so funny. It's so funny. So, Mimi's like, Brandy, I apologize for my delivery that day. And Brady's like, and I appreciate that because that's, it was, it was,

the delivery that triggered me and she goes, yes. And so it was like, well, not for you to apologize. And she goes, well, we've already had a conversation. So who's talking over now? Okay. It's great. All right. That was wonderful.

Okay. Potato Peeler on Twitter said, I really respect Dr. Mimi for showing the hard parts of raising a child that's neurodivergent. So now we get more into this. And, you know, and Mimi's talking about,

about how you just never get a break. And my heart really kind of broke for her because I do feel like that is a, that is a, that is a difficult part of her journey that she's on is that it's, it's like, you know, like you sort of, I think with a lot of parents, they have the feeling of, I think you, I imagine a lot of parents, they never truly get a break anyway, but there's a sense that as the kids get older, they can be more independent and self-sufficient. And so knowing that this is going to be something she's going to deal with the rest of her life

is, that's a, that's a tough one. for her. And we've seen that it's, it's like a specifically a very unique challenge that they have to deal with little Stevie. So it's a, I, I found that every time that she and Steve Sr. have talked about this, I found it to be like really fascinating and really interesting. And so it continued with this moment here. Yeah. So they're telling you, oh my gosh, you did, you're doing such a great job and they, you know, compliment her on, you know, her, basically how she handled it on the show. And, um, Andy says, you know, some of you, felt Mimi was guarded and then in Jamaica

she opened up and I'm curious what went through your mind and Toya gives her credit. I think Mimi is a strong woman and a strong mother and you know God she's right when she says God would not put anything on your plate that you can't bear and I loved your story.

You're a great mom. You're still a bitch though. God will never give you anything that you can't handle which makes me question how big is Steve's Dick, oh God, we're back. Yes, finally a dick that I want to imagine.

Steve Sanders. So they agree that there's a path forward for Mimi and Toya. And everyone's like, oh, my God, this is so beautiful. Okay, so now the men are coming to the reunion, and we see them arriving backstage, and they're joking with Steve, like, uh-oh, Steve, you nervous? Uh-oh. L-V. We're in L-V, Steve with his L-V.

And Damon's like, you know what? Daddy doesn't want to see you guys argue, but I understand the anger. And Steve's like, well, there is some level of accountability we all need to take today. And Cecil's like, well, if Steve got to the event and didn't know he needed a ticket, and Steve was like, never said, they never said it to me once. And Cecil's like, and I will say this, as someone with a basement bar, I'm not saying what's right or wrong, but I will say this. We have to do better communicating what's going on.

And says Cecil, who sat there silently while Simone, um, you know, had to deal with her spoiled children. So Steve is like, it's like, well, there wasn't a lot of inclusion. Eugene's like, well, if you're trying to include people and they're pushing back, then you just move on and you make a good event. Like, well, if you're trying to include people, then you don't charge some tickets on top of the table, which means that they had ticket purchased ahead of time because we had a whole thing last week where we were actually on Eugene's side until we discovered that the norm is that if someone buys you a table

and invites you to sit a table that they bought, you don't have to buy a ticket. So Eugene was 100% in the wrong in that situation. And Steve is like, well, you tried to exclude us when it comes to tickets, but it was never said that we needed to buy a ticket. Okay. And Eugene's like, well, if you didn't like the way it was ran and you were so, you know, why were you even in, why were you even there? Why did you even come?

Because it's a charity and it's a season finale party, Eugene. Yeah. You don't get to get to keep that. Yeah, exactly. He's saying that he didn't want to throw in $2,500 to put on the event because. he didn't because he clearly didn't think it was being managed properly or didn't or felt it was rude to say okay you are obligated to throw in an equal share of money even though Mimi was not given any say whatsoever and how the thing is organized but that's different than

going and saying I'm going to I'm going to donate to the event it's like two different concepts there right so he's like well I wasn't there to support you I was there to support the cause and he's like then buy a ticket and he goes but I did I did buy a ticket and he goes okay well then why are we having this argument Steve because you're justifying bad behavior and Steve's like well you justify bad behavior every single day with Toya and Eugene goes bye bye Eugene is Eugene's housewifery is like yeah I feel like you know it's not a classy thing to I don't think what Steve said was very classy I also don't think it was wrong was not classy

probably not something you should say but I also can't ignore the fact that I was sort of like he's kind of right about that yeah he was right and you're right normally they don't do that's like a rule right

you don't say something about the other person's wife but Eugene has spent the whole season coming at daddy for stuff that Heavenly said so I don't know I'm going to allow it on this one I'm going to allow it too I was like I was like I feel like I shouldn't allow it but I'm going to allow it.

Yeah, I'm going to allow it. And he goes, don't fucking say that about my wife. And Steve says, when the fuck did I stutter? And he goes, you mentioned my wife. And he goes, oh, so you want to cuss? You're going to have that energy. Then keep it. And I kind of felt like, you know, there was part of me that, like, again, I kind of wanted

to have Eugene side because what I saw was like a regression to high school where the jock is like bullying the nerd, you know, because Eugene is basically a big old nerd. He's like, he's a brainiac. He loves his comic books. He loves his video games. he's just like an adorable nerd and Steve is an NFL player and I was like don't beat up on our sweet Eugene he's a nerd he got he got made fun of but then I was like but you know what though Steve's I think kind of right in this one so Eugene started it yeah so um Steve's like do you want to

be one of the women do you want to be one of the women because you're acting like one and I don't care how your head or how you move your head or smack your lips it does not change the fact that you were trying to ambush me at an event after we had a conference Yeah, no, I do always hate when guys like use you're acting like a woman. That's like the ultimate insult is to act like a woman. I'm like, you should be so lucky. You should be so lucky to act like a woman. Yeah, but on the housewife shows there that is a common thing where it's like you're not a housewife. Yeah. I think that's I think that there's actually so much like loaded misogyny in that. I really hate when guys guys say that like that's the ultimate insult. You're acting like a woman. But so I did not like that. But again, I'm on Steve's side. So Eugene's like, well, if you feel ambushed, I'm sorry.

You should pay for a ticket. And Curtis is like, Steve, Steve, that dude isn't going to admit anything, okay? I mean, look, I'm still on the fence about this because we've, we talked already about how charities work. If someone buys the table, then that's it. You don't have to buy a ticket. But has Jackie said, has Jackie confirmed that she did, in fact, buy a table? of this many tickets and this is who she wants? Or are they thinking that that's included in the $2,500?

Or like, what is it? It's still, I'm still unclear. And I think that even if you go to a charity event, you didn't give the $2,500 and they're like, well, you still need a ticket. You should just say, okay, well, I thought it was the table, but whatever, here's, here's the ticket money. It's $300 for two tickets. Yeah, I think it's.

So I still think that Steve should have just bought the fucking ticket. Right. And he did. He did have like a little bit of a diva. moment about it, but I also think he should have been like, look, I'm, I'm like Jackie got my ticket because I'm at our table. Like, I don't know, I felt like there was a, there was a lot of stupidity going on and, you know, and also the other thing is this too, is like, Toya and Eugene have been unhelpful with this med gal in the past and suddenly they're like

in control of it and I'm not totally sure they know exactly what they're doing to be fair. And so when Eugene's like, well, you've got to buy a ticket. It's like, well, this is your first time at the rodeo and I'm I don't know it feels like they like he doesn't really know what's going I wish they just called Jackie over and said Jackie he's saying that he's a part of your table and then that would have solved it but it's just like the guys are doing the housewives job they're like fighting with each other because they're fighting a proxy war between the women and it's it's never going to work out well for either one of you you know yeah so now we go to heavenly Heavenly went from filling cavities to campaigning to fill a congressional seat.

Wow, I'm Andy Cohen, and I approve this package. And by package, I mean whatever Steve Sanders is carrying between his legs. All right. Well, we have a lot to talk about. First, I want to play a little bit, a little game. I'm going to ask some rapid fire questions about Heavenly the candidate. So, yay or nay, Heavenly would pass a background check. So everyone says, yay, because they're like, and she's like,

I'm a professional. So I would have to. Which is just funny because, again, to your point at the beginning of the episode, like, yes, of course she has a past background check. She is like a medical professional. But I do love like the, like, there's just something to me about going on reality TV, which I think like chips away at the professional thing a little bit for anyone. You know, I'm like, why are you on this show?

Well, especially heavenly. Oh my God. all the stuff they could show, the opponent could show. So Tori won't answer. And Quo's like, just say, yay, girl, Jesus. And she goes, okay, all right, yay. Okay, yay or nay, I would trust Heavenly with the nuclear codes. And everyone in America said no at the same time.

Like, my walls shook. All right, Congress people do not have the nuclear codes, though, so don't worry about that. And Heavenly goes, well, absolutely not. Toya didn't know that, though. Bitch. And it's like, yay, your day. Heavenly needs a stylist. Not necessarily a campaign question, but sure, does she need a stylist?

And they're all like, yay. It's like, well, Jackie takes me shopping, but you know, it's too expensive. You know, we have to bring that down, Jackie, which is why I am stooping for Talbets having sales. If you bring Heavenly into office, Talbets and Chicos will have sales. Yeah, or nay, Heavenly's campaign has a higher chance of success. and heaven leaves beauty supply. And they're like, yes. Well, I didn't even want a beauty supply store

in the first place. What happened to the beauty supply store? Did we know that taint? I totally forgot about that. But yeah, I guess that's done. Oh, my gosh. What's Alara doing? What is she doing?

What is she doing, by the way? They'll be like, Alora just turned 30. I was like, how does that happen on these years? I know. Alora just had her first grandchild. She's like, what? How's that happen?

Yeah, oh, nay, Heavenly tells the truth about our life. And they're like, no, I absolutely do. It's like, Heavenly, only a lot of viewers were concerned when you reveal Damon Jr.'s arrest. Can you give us an update? So Heavenly gets very choked up and says that our son had a mental health emergency. And they know where he is, but they haven't actively seen him. And there's a lot she wants to say, but it's his story to tell. So she's not going to put it out there.

She would never put her family on blast. It's just that it was already out there. news and you know she's and she basically says she called Mimi for help and that me me helped a lot and she's tried to do everything for her children she's put them to private schools she's tried to give back as much as she could and she says that an epidemic in the nation is mental health and that people like need like that needs to be treated and then we see daddy back like in the in the green room watching and agreeing that that's like definitely an issue and that If it weren't for the fact that he works in emergency rooms and knows people on the police and around,

that, you know, then, what's his face? Damon Jr. would have wound up getting sort of put into the system and gone down a different path. Well, what they do is they put people with mental health issues in jail rather than giving them treatment. Well, to be fair, we also put them on Bravo. So, bat myself on the back there. Pat myself on the back. And there's that too. Although The Bachelorette is giving us a good run for the money.

Okay? Not so happy about that. I love the phrasing of this question. Libra from Isn't Just Another Word for Book, says, Heavenly had to look up on the damn internet to find out about Junior's arrest. Damon should have told her ass first. Well, Damon and I don't talk about everything.

There are certain things I cannot handle, and there's certain things that he can handle, and that's the nature of our relationship, and everybody's relationship is different. So what I say to Libra is a different name for a book is, your mama. And just so you know, I don't wake up during filming and decide,

oh, I'm going to put my family on blast, heavenly. Shit happens spontaneously. She goes, well, the different between you and I, though, is my husband's too good to me. And she goes, oh, really? My husband is too good to me, too. And I've been here longer. I've been with Cecil much longer than you've been with Damon.

And she goes, well, every situation's different. Yeah, we got married because we chose to, not because I was pregnant. Damn. Jeez. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Good Lord. Who would vote for heavenly today? Are we not allowed to be, are we not allowed to get married because we're pregnant now?

I mean, geez, what kind of dis is that? Yeah. So, uh, isn't, it's a better excuse than falling for Cecil. Well, didn't Simone? just also kind of like wasn't she sort of edging towards shading quad for having a baby without getting married oh god i don't know so everyone um so anyway toyo's like we have enough lies i'm telling you i just i can't take another one i'm sorry all right well i'm looking forward to seeing what happens with your campaign aka i'm excited to see you back next season okay so um

Dr. Simone, Dr. Heavenly were in a good place when they scrub it in for 12, but weaponized husbands and accusations of unhinged behavior at the table, but for friendship altered the, create an friendship altering feud. Watch. So now we're getting into Simone versus Heavenly. Yes. And so she, Simone is saying, well, it's not about even needing support. It's about what's right, it's right. What's wrong is wrong. And after you saw the footage.

Jackie and after the tape was rolled for anybody sitting here to continue a narrative that just wasn't true to stand behind a false allegation means that I have to take another look at you and your morals and your character. And Jackie's like, well, I really want Simone, if

she will today, to tell me what I could have said that would have made it right. Because I was humping the fence if you want to know the truth. And Andy's like, yeah, that was the problem. I think if you wanted to say something that she wouldn't get mad of you should, or Matt at, you should have said, no, Heavenly did not push Simone. That's it.

Yeah. It's not like a deep puzzle. Right. And he's like, did now that you've seen it, do you think that Simone is a physical threat to Heavenly? And Jackie's like, no, Simone is not a fiscal threat to anybody. But I am. Heavenly.

Heavenly who's running for office. I am. So why did you say that? And I asked you backstaged and you said, absolutely not. she was not a physical threat, so then why not say that? Again, I was trying to be good to, good friend to both parties. But it's not the first time, though, that there's no wedge in your friendship, and the wedge always seems to be heavenly.

I'm not trying to be a wedge, Andy. I don't even like that salad. Opsburg lettuce is bullshit. But I promise, I'm not trying to be a wedge. And he's like, well, I'm really hoping that we can resolve this. And you, Simone's like, well, I don't think there is a resolution when you're still lying. on me. Well, I think everybody has their own truth, bitch.

And Simone's like, well, if your mind has you that delusional that you think that somebody hit or pushed you, but you're on hinge, but you've got to sit with a psychiatrist. Mimi is here, and she is sitting close to her for a reason. I never had another black woman call me unhinged, aggressive, none of that. And he's like, yeah, I think it's about the physicality is the thing. And she goes, yes, but to allege that I pushed her, which by the. the way i totally agree with simone she did not push her she removed she removed heavenly's arm which if anything she could spit as you were violating my space because you were touching me and i was i was

removing myself from that situation or de-escalating that if anything simone is the one who really has the case of anything which really there's nothing there that happened they were just posting for a photo but any either way i love the heavily's like well you shouldn't touch anyone i'm like you were the one who had her arm draped on on simone without her permission yeah and And she's like, well, you touched me and you shouldn't have touched me. No, you grabbed my arm. And she's like, oh, my God, this girl is delusional. So Andy's like, back it up, back it up.

Okay, you heard Jackie say no uncertain terms. Did she ever believe that you were physically aggressive before she saw the footage and after she saw the footage? She goes, well, if she had said that when she was talking to you, we wouldn't be having this discussion. But now she's saying it because she has no choice. And she's like, well, Andy, Andy, though, do you remember what? what I said to you in the dressing room before we got on? Yes, he just said that in the dressing room, you said that it wasn't physical,

so why don't you bring that to the stage? Oh, Jackie. She's just like, just admit that I said something backstage when it didn't matter. So Simone's like, can you imagine at the hospital? And having it goes, well, do you act like this at the hospital? It doesn't matter. Do you act like that?

Like the whole office? I do not. Shut up. Okay, let's stop, stop. Let them speak. Okay, okay, be quiet. Here you are running for a congressional seat that has, and nothing has changed. I tell the truth every single time.

So Simone's like, Quad hasn't been able to clean up nothing. She hasn't been able to alter nothing about you. And Quas just laughing like, it's true. I can't fix Heavenly for the campaign. It's a cumbersome job. But I do believe that Heavenly acts like this in the dental office. 100%. I believe that Heavenly is like, well, hello, welcome here.

Man, I'm so glad to see you. Have a seat right here. What has there been a year? It's been a year since I've said. It's supposed to be six months, but it's a year, and you're here now, and that's all the show me your teeth. You still haven't flog. I told you to floss. I told her, bitch.

You know, you know she gets, you know she gets all heavenly in the dental chair. Mm-hmm. Um, so Jackie is like, Simone, this is important to me today. This is not a show. We've been through a lot for 30 years. Okay? There were the vibrators. There were the scrubs.

There were my wicked glasses and I've always felt like you were safe and I was I'm sorry don't forget fit is the new it go ahead pet is the new it lemon squeezes so today I want this about you and I I don't care what they're saying right now I need to know from you that if I have let you down and betrayed you I want to fix it because so you come in to me that night at angels of band and you weren't the person most in the group that can get me down to earth when I I'm angry. Me too.

I can do it. She does that for me too. And you know that night you came to me trying to settle me down. And I kept going because I knew exactly what I was doing. People come for me. And I was like, I'm clocked in, baby. I stay clocked in. Ready to go if you come for me.

And I came to who? You instead of heavenly. You. I came to you. And she's like, yeah, but you came to me. And then when we got to Florida. Okay. So meanwhile, Angel is like,

excuse me Simone you were acting she's like pointing out like hello that party was a mess it was my party and it was a mess and you were acting crazy at that party yeah but she kind of gets drowned out the reason why she says that is because Simone is really upset because then when they went to their trip to the Florida panhandle that Jackie went over to Simone and was like you really snapped you really snapped and Simone was upset because she's like everyone was snapping

okay and like you're singled me out as if I'm the only one who did it and Heavenly's like, yeah, but, and Heavenly is like, well, we all snap, but she was just talking about you. And this is what Angel is like, yeah, but by the way, yes, we all snap, but you were really snapping, okay? Let's like, we can't lose the fact that you were off the handle or flying off the handle. Yeah, and she's like, no, I stop snapping when people, I'll stop snapping when people stop coming for me. And, um, he cried like, wait a minute, are you talking to Jackie or what are we talking about now. So now Jackie and Toya switch spots so Jackie can sit with Simone. She walks over there and she's like, this is about me and you. I don't want to hear all of them. And she's like, yeah,

but my point is, in Florida, you are talking to me about the fact that I snapped off as if I was the only person who snapped. And she goes, no, I had the same conversation about snapping with Heavenly. Okay. And Heavenly is like, oh, she won't hold herself accountable. You know, I just couldn't take it. I removed myself from the situation because she touched my arm and they fought for less than that. Heavenly, this is such a failing argument from Heavenly. It really is. Like, it's really bad. And the fact that she's still, like, the footage is there, the fact that she is still going hard about it.

It is actually bad. Like, you know, Simone is a doctor. And it also kind of, I think it actually undermines people who have valid claims of that happening. I think, you know, like, I don't think it's right. So Jackie is like, she's like, well, I wasn't isolating me. I was talking to you. So when then, Simone, when I come to you, it's typical you and I, we zone out on everyone else. But this time, it hurts.

But Andy asked you a simple question. He did. And I answered it again. I answered it again based on the conversation that we'd had prior to even going to New York. And the conversation we had was you saying this. But the question has nothing to do about unhinged. He said, Simone, push heavenly, or is heavenly making it up? and you said, well, I wasn't there.

And he said, but you saw the footage and that note. She basically going through it again about why she's upset with Jackie. Yeah, and she's like, you know, I'm watching you as my friend. You're supposed to represent me. And you know what happens if I were to hit or push or anything? And a real case comes out of that. Like, I have to answer with hospital privileges. I have to answer it with a malpractice suit.

And she's like, okay, you're correct. And she goes, so if you tell the truth to me and you tell her the truth together, like, are we never going to end up back together? She says, we are never going to end up back together. She says, we are never going to end up back together. You can take my word for it. She's like, Simone. And she's like, nope, can't move forward.

Don't want to. Can't do it. Dun, done, done. Until next episode, when everything will be fine. Until next episode, when they hug and they get through to each other. So, no, it takes a year or so. She's usually not like a same reunion kind of forgiver. She needs, like, a year to get over it.

I hate when they fight, though. I actually really hate it. I hate it. I hate when they five. And the thing is, like, I get it. You know, like, she's trying to be friends to Heavenly, but this is not the way to do it. And Heavenly is wrong all the time. I mean, Heavenly is my favorite person on this cast, but she's wrong 80% of the time.

And, you know, you have to, if you're going to be friends with someone like that, you have to be like, no, you're wrong. You have to be okay saying that. Because Heavenly, I think, is okay taking it. She's used to being told she's wrong. She's wrong all the time. Yeah, I think. and I don't think that Jackie should have played Switzerland in that moment.

I think she's just so used to doing it. You know, I get it because I often will do that as well. I will often. In a case, a situation where I'm like, I just don't want to be part of this, I'll take Switzerland. And that's probably what Jackie was doing.

She probably was like, you know what? I don't want to get inserted into this mess. And then in her attempt to not be in the mess, she might end up directly in the center of it. Yeah, it seems like she is saying, like Simone, your behavior was also crazy at that part. like you guys had to be physically separated.

It's not like Simone was, because the only clip they really show is Simone just going, please take your hand off of my arm. That's all they show and it doesn't really look that wild. But the episode got wild. And so I think Jackie's looking at that and saying, yeah, but your behavior that night wasn't professional. So like I don't, like you were acting on professional that night. But the thing is, is that the physical component is a big thing. When you accuse somebody of that and they didn't do it,

that's a huge difference. So Jackie, yeah, Jackie's just damn wrong for that. I think Jackie messed up. I think Heavenly was wrong. I also think that yes, like the

Simone is, someone has every right to be mad at Jackie. I would not end a friendship over it. Because she is also focusing on what could or shoulda should have not happened. So yes, it's like, it's a dangerous accusation. that being said, everyone can see

that Simone did not get physical. Everything is okay. I just wouldn't, I think I would hold my friends be to the fire, express dissatisfaction, but like cutting off a 30 year friendship, I think is really extreme. Unless this is,

there is more brewing between the two of them than we know. I'm sure it'll all be resolved. You know what time's going to do. It's going to tell you. It's going to tell you. Tom will tell. So I don't know.

I don't have any idea. But I need to. Jackie to be confronted about the thyroid comment. What were the other things missing from this? The glasses. The wicked glasses did kind of drive me nuts. And I think that's it, the PT Cruiser maybe. Yeah.

I don't know. Okay. Well, next week, that's that for today. Next week is to be the Steve Sanders show. He's had, he's been lighting up the internet with the clips that they've been showing of him telling Eugene that Eugene should be called Eugene Harris. instead of or Eugene Bush I should say Dr. Yeah Eugene Bush

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