Watch What Crappens - #3280 Southern Charm S11E18 Reunion 2 Part Two: No Craig to Stand On

Episode Date: March 26, 2026

This is part 2 of 2The Southern Charm reunion wraps up this week. The cast tries to explain to Craig that he’s the problem, but he just keeps inserting his key phrase “but they just keep poking at... me” and then says that his ChatGPTherapist never correlated his drinking to his rage issues. Hm. Might wanna get a human being to talk to. Or not, because it was a pretty funny episode. Salley stands up for herself against Austen’s slut shaming and becomes the Salley we all knew she could be. Just kidding! She tells him she wants him more than ever and he’ll be a great dad. I CAN’T. To watch this recap on video, listen to our bonus episodes, and get ad free listening,, go to Patreon.com/watchwhatcrappens. Find bonus episodes at patreon.com/watchwhatcrappens and follow us on Instagram @watchwhatcrappens @ronniekaram @benmandelker Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello and welcome to watch what crap and the podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. This is part two of the recap. If you miss part one, go check out your podcast feed. It's right there. And without further ado, let's get right back into the recap. How long been many months? Were you guys friends before all this? Not a long time.
Starting point is 00:00:39 What, like five months? Yeah, maybe a year. Well, you got to throw around the word best friend a lot, but so hard that I fucking hate it. Fucking hate it. Yeah. Well, I know. No, you're no longer dating, Craig, but are you dating anyone now? And Charlie's like, I am.
Starting point is 00:00:54 He's from Boston. And so I was like, hey, he's on Southern Hospitality. Yeah, he works at the club. And it's Justin. Justin, the new skis ball on Southern hospitality. I mean, Charlie, come on. He's actively dating two other women. Yeah, Justin, who just said last week.
Starting point is 00:01:13 Yeah, Mia, she's got a really nice pair of personality. Right. And he's Charlie, really? Come on, Charlie. Jesus. You can do better. You can do better. So, and he's like, great, do you know Justin?
Starting point is 00:01:30 Yeah, I always say hi to him when he comes in the bar. This is a funny thing to say. I do know I might always say hi to him. You're welcome, Justin. I think he's sure to remind everybody that he's above Justin because Justin's coming into his bar. And he's the bar owned. Yeah. And Justin.
Starting point is 00:01:48 And he's a nice guy. He's a nice guy. He's nice. Well, let's say something else. It's time to move on. Well, Austin had to tell me in Vegas, by the way, because Charlie and I were still like hanging out. And then finally, Austin sat me down in Vegas.
Starting point is 00:02:02 And he was like, dude, whatever she's telling you, that's like not talking, like she's not talking to someone. Like, I met him. And he was like, he's real. She brought him to the barn and said, I'm in love. And Charlie's like, I never said I wasn't talking to anyone else. What are you talking about? And he's like, I gave you a lot of chances to tell me the star of the show that you were talking to someone else.
Starting point is 00:02:23 They never did. And then Sally was like, Craig, you need to know this. She's talking to two other guys. And then I asked you. And you just took me by the hand. And you said, I'm not talking to anyone else. I mean, you just said that it was Austin who told you. And now you're saying it was Sally who told you.
Starting point is 00:02:35 Come on. You can't even keep your lie straight, Craig. And what the hell? And when he says Austin had to tell me in Vegas, does that mean bravo con? That means bravo con. Yeah, bravo con. Austin had to tell me in Vegas because Charlie and I were still like hanging out. Charlie dumped you at the end of the season.
Starting point is 00:02:50 So we saw Charlie dumped you. So doesn't she have the right to date? He's, this is, I think this is complete fabrication of what he's doing here. I do too. He gets the other face. He's trying to do the typical thing that he always does.
Starting point is 00:03:02 And when he breaks up with someone, he's like, well, she's a slut and she was cheating on me the whole time. Yeah. It's classic. 100%. So Charlie's like, I never said I wasn't talking anyone.
Starting point is 00:03:12 Oh, yeah. So you did that part. So Charlie's like, yeah, none of that happened. And Craig goes, they have it on camera. Okay, where? We didn't see any of that.
Starting point is 00:03:20 We didn't see anything that you just said on camera. And she goes, well, I swear that did not happen. And he goes, why would it matter? Because weren't you broken up? No, we were not. And she goes, we were never dating. We were not together. We went on two dates.
Starting point is 00:03:33 On camera. But we would always go out. Like, I was strung on. I feel like I was a little like, I can't believe I know what this means now because it's just like, and just like, do you feel gaslit? Yeah, I was love bomb. Oh, my God, this fucking guy. He doesn't even know what Love Bomb means.
Starting point is 00:03:49 Okay, but I have to keep going back because I just feel like Craig is lying, lying, lying. We were never dating. We were not together. We went on two dates, she says. And he says, on camera, but we would always go out. And I was strong on. So are you talking about when you were going out as a group? Are you counting that as a date?
Starting point is 00:04:05 Because you're acting like Sally's crazy for counting that as anything other than friendship. You know what I mean? What is he talking about? I don't believe one thing he says. And you were not love bombed. We saw the show. she literally told you multiple times like well I mean I think I like you too I mean it's not love bombing Craig
Starting point is 00:04:24 yeah expressing interest in someone is not love bombing and he is the ultimate love bomber he is the one who is it's gonna be like we could like get like chickens somewhere and then like you can come over and like we can like have barbecue like he he is the one who's always sort of painting these pictures and he's like this sweet guy but I do think like a trait of narcissists is that they often turn the tables on their victim and paint them out to be the one who's what you do you do just kidding it's a threat of narcissism oh it's like how are you love bombing me you i'd love to be blood bombs sorry sorry go ahead of a narcissistic no no but like that's like
Starting point is 00:05:05 i think from what i am from what i have read and from what i have learned about narcissism and of course i am not a licensed therapist i'm not a licensed anything barely just a licensed driver that like narcissists will often turn the tables and switch the narrative up on the person that they are victimizing and make it turn themselves into the victim. So the fact that Craig is like, she was love bombing me. Like you were the one who's coming on to Charlie. You were the one who's pursuing Charlie. She was the one who was trying to be like, maybe let's not be so big about this. And you're like, we just need to be free.
Starting point is 00:05:41 So that way we can finally have our relationship. And even later on this episode, it's kind of, you're like, you, you, you, you, you. You said you were the one who literally told Charlie that like she made you feel better than even Page made you feel or something along those lines. Didn't he just have some grandiose statement about Charlie versus Page? Yeah. He said, yeah, I liked you even more than my ex. Right. That's a love bomb right there. That's a love bomb.
Starting point is 00:06:06 Yeah, and he was making it sound like they had this tort affair and she was cheating on him. When the fact is you guys dated casually and then she saw how you acted towards women and dumped you. It's not really that deep. But yeah, that's what's on camera. But instead, he's like, oh, no, you were FaceTiming me from your friend's weddings. And, like, it started to be the talk of the town. Like, who takes me via FaceTime to a friend's wedding? That's like, serious.
Starting point is 00:06:31 And they're like, talk of the town. I like, when he said that, and it was like, what? Talk of the town. Did you hear about Gatsby? Did you hear about Gatsby? He's throwing a party. Christine Baranski's like, oh, they're the talk of the town. We shall stop them in the tracks.
Starting point is 00:06:45 They will never get a dog. upper echelons. Did you hear that this season has been dominated by Craig and Charlie? It's like, what? We're the talk of the town. We face-timed. And then I was like, that's what love bombing is. Charlie goes, no.
Starting point is 00:07:02 Charlie just goes, no. Yeah, like there was some future planning from you. Charlie, did you love bomb Craig? She goes, I do not feel like I love bombed Craig. Andy had to have been stifling a laugh, like a chuckle when he was saying that. Like sometimes Andy asked his questions and even know he is just laughing so hard on the inside because he knows that Charlie did not love bomb Greg. And she's sitting there like rattled.
Starting point is 00:07:30 Like this is not a love bomber, this girl. So she's like, oh, I didn't do that. I love the look on her face. She's just like, what is even happening right now? And Craig's like, you made it seem to me like we're going to make it out of filming. She dumped you on the finale. What are you talking about? And he's like, Craig, Craig, and Sally not been involved in the picture.
Starting point is 00:07:50 Do you think things would have worked out? Yeah. Oh, so now it's Sally's fault. So now it's not the fact that she's a love bombing slut who was cheating on you the whole time. Now it's just all Sally's fault. Also, you're allowed to aspire for like the future without it being love bombing, you know? Like, that's okay. It's not a love bomb situation.
Starting point is 00:08:12 Do you like to until she's? saw the real you and then she didn't anymore get the fuck over it bro he wasn't a love bomb it was like dummy love i don't even know if there was a bomb there was not even an analogy there's not even a smaller version of it there's not even like a love static like like static shock there's nothing sorry love sneeze there it was there it was it's a love sneeze not even he just love bomb the cat on your shirt the cat's like damn it So Sally's like, look, that's crazy. Look, Charlie's even shaking her head.
Starting point is 00:08:48 And Charlie's like, I don't, look, I told you in Mexico, like, I felt completely different after that. But at the end of the season, you said, I can't do this anymore, right? And she goes, yes. And Craig's like, yeah, but like after the freak out and everything. Yes, the freak out was like a very valid reason, Craig. He's like, whatever. Mexico happened. But what I'm saying is up until Mexico, it doesn't matter what happened up until Mexico.
Starting point is 00:09:10 You yelled at people in Mexico and acted like a drunk Coke. out fucking asshole and then she dumped you. What are you not getting? It's not because she's a dumb slut, Craig. And it's not because she was love bombing you. It's because she saw you. Yeah. She goes, Craig and I had every intention of continuing to hang out with you afterwards.
Starting point is 00:09:27 And then in Mexico, I decided I didn't want to do that anymore. And that's fine. Clelia's not fine, Craig. Are you okay? I'm fine. I'm fine. Are you sure? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:39 I'm just, I'm not trying to upset you. It's just, it's upsetting me. And I feel like you were trying to tell me how I was feeling the entire time. And you're like trying to say to everyone like, no, she was telling me this and she was telling me this. And then I have to go tell my mother, no, I was being decent. Trust me, I was being very decent. Because he's gaslighting and he's manipulating.
Starting point is 00:09:59 He's like, what? All I've ever done is how I felt in the relationship. No, that's not what you did. You didn't say how you felt. You said that she was cheating on you and love bombing you. That's not your feelings. You literally. Ronnie, don't weaponize my vulnerability.
Starting point is 00:10:16 You guys weaponize my vulnerability. Oh, fuck off. You love bomb my vulnerability. So now they have a break. And now Charlie is just love like she's fully like in her rattled face. Like Charlie is one of the best rattled faces we have on Bravo. Like she's crying, but people are doing her makeup too. So she's like, I meant to get a screenshot of it because it was so brilliant.
Starting point is 00:10:40 But Charlie's like, it's just like awful. Like, hey, I'm sorry. I'm just like, it's, it's fine, I'm just fine. No, you're doing so good. I'm just like really overwhelmed right now, you know. It's like, it's a hard day. It's your first one. It's hard.
Starting point is 00:10:51 Just like Austin's penis is hard. I have to show you this because every time I see Charlie, I play sackboy with my nieces. And whenever Charlie makes this face, I crack up laughing because it is when sackboy gets defeated. So I'm just going to put this on the screen. Sorry for people who are just listening. But this is,
Starting point is 00:11:14 This is important. Okay, this is Sackboy's defeated face. Share. Share. It's Cher, musician. Isn't that Charlie's face? Which one? No, it is.
Starting point is 00:11:26 The one on the left, for sure, that she definitely becomes that. It makes me laugh every time I play Sack Boy. Now I'm like, Craig! It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial. So, yeah, she's crying. And they're like, guys, we have to go shoot. And like, no, we can't shoot because Charlie's still crying.
Starting point is 00:11:47 And she's like, I just, I just hate him telling me over and over again. It wasn't Mexico. Wasn't Mexico? Like, okay, it was one foot, one foot out. Wasn't in Mexico. And I don't like you anymore. Like, just, I don't, I saw Mexico and I did not like you anymore. Just understand that.
Starting point is 00:12:01 Jeez. I saw Mexico and I realized I needed to raise my standards from what I want out of a man. So that's why I'm dating Justin from Southern hospitality. Exactly. I realized I wanted a real gentleman. So I went to Justin. So then on the stage, Craig is like, that's bullshit. Like, I was perfect up until then.
Starting point is 00:12:21 And Madison's like, maybe not perfect. Maybe that's a little bar, okay? Well, but like not enough that you're going to take some mishap and, like, say it's over. Like, you were looking for a way out. Well, no, no, it wasn't a mishap. She saw a glimpse into the future. A mishap is like you had like, you had like a drink with friends after. after after work and you said you'd come right back i guess that would be like a mishap but like
Starting point is 00:12:50 a cobblestone yeah cobblestone who the gilded age has many victims it won't leave us the gilded age also it wasn't the first time it would the party when you went off on austin for like a little jab that he had made and started screaming and yelling and acting like a crazy person then there was the dinner where you did the same thing then there was when there was when you else did he do it he did it multiple times and she talked to him after those times yeah and she talked to them after those times like after the austin one she was like oh you know maybe you're gonna handle that differently i mean she had to talk to you after multiple times of you doing this craig that was just the last straw sir yeah i i think that um i think that the this phrase of i was perfect until then
Starting point is 00:13:34 this is now he's the second time he said it i was perfect i was doing so well i was being perfect to me, like, maybe that what he's trying to say is like, like I was a great boyfriend. I was a great boyfriend. I had one mess up, but I was a great boyfriend. Maybe that's what he's saying. But to me, it's really coming off as like, hey, I was able to maintain this facade really well. And now I've messed up, you know, and like it's just rubbing me the wrong way.
Starting point is 00:13:59 So then Sally. He's making it sound like they have this long term thing going on that they kept dating after Vegas, which was Robicon. And she's saying no. Okay, Sally says, you're up against Craig Conner. He's very good at manipulating and gaslighting, which, you know, is why I try and comfort him the whole, the whole episode. And Charlie's like, well, I mean, seriously, like before Mexico, we would talk like every day. And then after Mexico, we talked one time.
Starting point is 00:14:22 And that was the finale party that we all saw. So why is he making it sound like they have this long time? So crazy. Because he wants to make himself look like the sweet guy who got, you know, victimized by some callous fame starved woman. So they all returned to the set. And Craig's like, just like a little unfair for you to say in Mexico. But it was. Okay.
Starting point is 00:14:45 Okay. Oh, okay. Come on. Guys. Come on. We have to go. Come on. Come on.
Starting point is 00:14:48 We're back with the Southern charm reunion. Charlie, some lessons. First season for you. What have you learned? Yeah. I mean, I definitely had to work on my communication style like this season and my friendships. So yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:04 Yeah. It's like, okay. Cool. Well, that's a nice broad answer. Tensions threatened to rip this. group apart. Shep had the idea to bring everyone on a restorative journey, but when explosive chaos
Starting point is 00:15:15 ensued, the group probably needed a healing trip from their healing trip. So he asked Shep about Austin and Craig's friendship at the time. It seemed a little optimistic that you were trying to make this work. Why did you think it would be successful? And he's like, easy, because the best times we've been
Starting point is 00:15:33 the best times we've ever had are when we're traveling. No one really cares how much Coke we do. That usually brings us all together, Andy. But it's some of our biggest fights also. I'm like, yeah, that you're part of, sir. So, and so Jeff is like, so what? That's true, but it's all part of it. Yeah, well, you know what? So like, what are you talking about? Well, Austin, you and Greg seem to be having fun at the start of the Mexico trip. How do you go from hating each other as enemies to being buddies? And was there ever any sexual gratification that there may be some footage of that I can see.
Starting point is 00:16:10 Because I'm fucked in the head, Henry. That's basically, okay? You know, we're going on the group death. It's like the pain of death going on the group trip. You know, I'm just trying to have fun. And I'm going to do my thing. Now I'll worry about, you know, like anything else. I just want to have fun. That's like really all I want to do. I just want to have some fucking fun, Andy. So you were forced to hang out with me. And then Wittner's like, oh, see this flip-flopping? I mean, in this moment alone, they've gone from being at each other's throats to back in good graces. I mean, what the hell, guys? I mean, it was not a great observation by me.
Starting point is 00:16:43 Well, it's seen it. It's what keeps us on the edge of our seats, though, Wittner. And by the way, I would be more than open to having you on the edge of my seat right now. Okay, Vanita, at the dinner, you brought out their relationship. And Rodrigo's like, no, she didn't. She basically said, girlfriend, Austin needs to stand up for himself. And obviously, you know, Sash, you stay. Chante, you don't stay.
Starting point is 00:17:07 So Craig took that implication like that. And he was like, no, Rodrigo, it's, I'm going to stop you. I was being messy. Yeah. She was like, I knew what I was doing. Yeah. I appreciate the defense. No, I was, I was being messy.
Starting point is 00:17:21 And Wittner's like, yeah, and Craig didn't just spout off entirely unprovoked. I mean, I looked at him and I said, we know that's about you. Well, Craig, walk us through what got you so upset. And he's like, I'm just sick of being meddled with. And wait for it. It's my code word that you read in every comment standing up for me. I was poked and I was prodded. Thanks, Jack.
Starting point is 00:17:43 Thanks for all those postings you've made, Jack. Now, Austin and I, it seemed like meddling of being like, well, you have to stand up to Craig. And I was like, I'm just so sick of everyone getting involved in my business. Sally, did you think that Craig overreacted? I too. I think there were things he was making good points. on but he was delivering it completely wrong. Benita's like, yeah, what you were saying was like really hurtful.
Starting point is 00:18:08 Well, Austin, do you think Craig's problem is only his delivery or also the things that he says? Because I'm hearing a lot about delivery, okay? But sometimes it's not UPS. It's what you ordered from Amazon. Am I right, guys? I'm a dad. And Austin's like, well, all the things he says.
Starting point is 00:18:24 And then, you know, Craig knows. And chef's bragged about it too. Like, sorry to give you a stray, Shep. But, you know, chef brags about knowing the things that'll cut you the deepest. And he's like, you know, piss me off enough and I'll say the thing that'll cut you the deepest, you know? Well, Craig has that too. Mostly because Shep tells him. Well, Vinita, well, well, Vinita, I really have no ill will towards you.
Starting point is 00:18:44 And I thank you for all the words you said. But in the moment, what I was being told from Sally, like Vanita said this. And Vinina said, we can't hang out. And that message and I was getting relieved was like, was that Vanita talks about you a lot. And so, like, at dinner, like, after not saying anything all year, like, you're right, I guess. Like, no, I mean, like, I guess I could have come to you and said, like, why are you meddling? This is like Sally's fault. Can you believe it?
Starting point is 00:19:07 She killed the chickens. She's a chicken killer. Just want everyone to know. Vinita's like, wow, is this some accountability coming from you? And he goes, yeah, well, look, I shouldn't have waited, but I guess I avoided it. Okay, wow, crap. Whoa. Okay, now let's talk about what happened in the van.
Starting point is 00:19:23 He's like, oh, okay, it was terrible. I wasn't of right mind. Yeah, but also, like, What was going through my head was like, damn, I'm kind of seeing what people warned me a little bit about you, huh? It was hot. And Craig's like, yeah. I was like, he's mean, but he'd be a good daddy. No, I mean, it just sucks to mess up, you know, because I hadn't done that for like two years, you know?
Starting point is 00:19:54 Okay, but like, don't disregard me like that because you still need to take accountability for your anger. and Rodriguez like, I mean, talk about a tornado, girlfriend. That was a fucking tornado. Yeah, it was like a psychotic break. It was a freak tornado. I was like, if, if Craig was the tornado, Austin was definitely the rain coming down. That's for sure. Just like.
Starting point is 00:20:19 What? Okay, whatever. Austin, you were silent in the band. Why? And he's like, I was in the back. I had like a hat pulled down. And I was like, you know what? I don't want to fucking deal with this until it got to the point where Rob was like,
Starting point is 00:20:31 Please fucking help me, man. You hear me in the background. Snoring, mostly snoring. You heard me, right? Hey, just so you know, Craig, if you have a real friend, they would have calmed you down versus let you continue to explode. Oh, please, Madison, stop standing up for shitty men, especially when the one in question, or one of the ones in question,
Starting point is 00:20:51 is one that you dumped for being a shitty man. Yeah, yeah. Give me a break. Mm-hmm. You're right. Like, a real friend also wouldn't be just screaming at people in the first place. A real friend wouldn't be standing there telling someone who's obviously wrong that they're right over and over again and then saying things like if you had a real friend just to watch them fight more and ruin their friendship further. Madison, sneak.
Starting point is 00:21:14 I just think that if I see a friend in that kind of situation where clearly he was like out of his mind, I wouldn't have just like sat there and let him continue to continue to do that. I would have just tried to calm him down. I'm like, the point is that everyone was scared of him. And they were just like, they knew that there was no getting through to him. and they've been down this path before. And you shouldn't have to calm him down. He's not the victim. He's currently victimizing someone else.
Starting point is 00:21:38 I mean, if anything, she should be like, yeah, why wasn't it? If Sally had any real friends, it would have been standing up for her instead of just watching her get fucking fucking yell at and called the loser over and over again in a tight space by a man standing over her and pointing his fucking Coke spit all over her. Yeah. You don't get it because you weren't there. All right, all right, all right. Shep, what's your take about this? You earned in the van, but you heard about it. Garsh, well, I know how painful it can be, knowing that you're not quite sure what happened, but you know it was bad.
Starting point is 00:22:07 And it's just such a helpless feeling and it's just such a lonely feeling. He must have been the same feeling that one felt in the rice patties of Vietnam. Gosh, gosh, gosh, I just watched that documentary again. It feels so good. The Vietnam War by Ken Burns, watch it, everyone. Pretend I just said that, but I'm in sepia tone. Gors! And Craig's like, well, that's not a fun place for anyone.
Starting point is 00:22:32 I know, but it's warranted and you earned it. But it's this inner turmoil and you just can't get rid of it. And it takes time to get rid of it. I've been there before. But now look, I'm Shep, the good person of the season. Yeah, I didn't drink that much in fucking years. And I mean, I was just in a place that like no one should be in. Craig, you were drinking all season.
Starting point is 00:22:53 You were like that all last year and this year. Even last year when everyone was like, Like he was sober. He was not sober. He was like, I'm just drinking like wine and beer now instead of cocaine and tequila. I was just like kind of emotionally spent and drank like entirely way too much. And it triggered like a legit meltdown.
Starting point is 00:23:13 And obviously if it wouldn't, if I if I wouldn't have drinking or anything, it wouldn't have happened and it sucks. And like that's on me. And it's like very embarrassing. Although Sally is the one who did make me drink. But then like, yeah, like I wouldn't like,
Starting point is 00:23:26 but like would I ever be drinking for like 16 hours? straight without food and water. And it's like, Craig, you make it sound like you're deprived natural resources. And Andy's like, before Bethany Franklin writes a certainly worded letter towards me, I wanna say we did provide lots of food and beverage for you and here's some footage.
Starting point is 00:23:45 And they like show footage of like tons of food all day long that they were eating. And I'm glad you point, I'm glad that he picked that up and you picked that up because that's exactly what Craig was trying to do. Like what other situation would I be in, where they're there, lying me with drinks for 16 hours a day and not letting me eat or drink.
Starting point is 00:24:02 Like, he knows what he's doing. And he's like, no, no, sorry. We got you. So he's like, well, you know, I don't want it to seem like you were all put in a cage with tequila, not allowed to eat or drink, okay? You're not Leah. And Craig's like, well, I don't mean that. Well, that's what you made it sound like, Craig.
Starting point is 00:24:18 Okay? Reality reckoning is on pause. Okay. So he's like, well, all of us were having the same thing. You know how to freak out like that. Come on. Andy, I think it's more of an anger issue than an alcohol issue, girlfriend. I just think you need to be better at controlling your anger.
Starting point is 00:24:37 Yeah, that was terrible. I like this. I like this from Rodrigo, because Rodrigo honestly doesn't add that much, but I like this call out of Craig because Craig is still trying to turn it. Well, it's the alcohol, Andy, you know, it's just I'm constantly working on my addiction. It's like, no, you're an asshole. You're just an asshole. Admit to being an asshole. But also, like, Craig is kind of doing the inverse of the argument we're seeing more of, which is like, I'm not an alcoholic.
Starting point is 00:25:04 I just have issues on the inside I have to deal with, which is like what Karen Huger said. But Craig's like, no, I don't have anger issues. It's the alcohol. That's the problem. Like, no one wants to address what the real issue is here. And Sally was saying, like, yeah, like, that was a terrible night. But there have been other nights where you did this. And, like, I don't think that's like you're drinking.
Starting point is 00:25:25 I think it is your anger. And so, Andy's like, well, Craig, your apology to Sally. Was that enough to repair your friendship? And she goes, I don't know if we're completely repaired in our friendship. Sally, you look nice today. Okay, we're back, baby. We're back. I'm pregnant.
Starting point is 00:25:41 I'm pregnant. I just got pregnant. And she's like, you know, I don't think you really came out of your way to apologize to me. And Charlie's like, yeah, like, I thought he would, like, address the group just because it was, like, kind of the elephant in the room. And, like, then I thought, like, him, you know, I would have a separate conversation because like I was in the van too. Like where's my apology for him yelling at Sally?
Starting point is 00:26:01 You know? And he's like, well, there was some extreme avoidance, but I was just in shock. Like, how did I let myself get to this point of being starved by real food from people forcing me to drink while I was being bombed and gas lit? Here comes one right now. Austin, you said apologies from Craig are meaningless. What did you mean? What do you think, Andy? It's not coded.
Starting point is 00:26:33 It's pretty on the nose. It's not an arrest code. So many fucking times. And like, I know that Craig, man, like, sits here and cops to it. And he's like, I know I should have done that. And I shouldn't have done that. But sometimes it's just like, how many more times does that happen? Like, you know, he yelled at me at my birthday dinner.
Starting point is 00:26:48 He yelled at the dinner. And then told him you had to melt down on one day. It's like, holy shit. Like, just like a lot. You recognize it. Sure. He's like, well, there's like nothing. do, but to continue to work on myself.
Starting point is 00:27:01 You're not working on yourself. Oh, the problem male trademark. I'm just to work in progress. Thing. But your therapist is chat GPT. You're not working on yourself. You're entering in prompts, and you're probably entering in prompts that are going to make you look good to chat GPT.
Starting point is 00:27:16 And chat GPT is like, that was a great story you told. And it wasn't your fault that you yelled at everyone on a van. You were being love bombed. And it's a natural response to scream at people when that stuff happens. You're doing great, Craig. Wow. Oh, yeah. We see when we get to the alcohol discussion in a minute, how how great that Siri therapy is going. So Wittener's like, well, the problem is it feels more than lip service. It feels more like lip service because you say apologies and he goes, you know what? You don't even know how much work I've done on myself. And he goes, yeah, we don't know because we're
Starting point is 00:27:47 in the room with you when you're at the therapist. And he goes, okay, but like when you say it's lip service, like, I'm sorry it feels that way, but there's no way for me to prove it to you. Craig, you prove the work you've done on yourself by not being a fucking asshole. That's how you prove it. No one has to be in the therapy room. So Madison's like, well, I just think we need to accept him for who he is, need to like it or not. Madison, when have you ever done that? When have you ever had a problem with someone that you were just like, well, I'm going to accept it?
Starting point is 00:28:14 You don't. You go on a fucking warpath and you ruin their ass. She just loves that Craig gives Austin the business. That's like her favorite thing to watch. So Austin's like, except what? their friend is an asshole. God, this fucking show, man. You know, like, maybe this isn't right for me.
Starting point is 00:28:30 Like, maybe I just shouldn't be here. Sounds like you guys need someone else to get love bombed on TV. Oh, no, Craig, don't quit. Look, what is everybody supposed to start crying? They're just like, okay, bye. And so, don't be. Yeah. And he's like, I mean, maybe I would love to figure out a way to be able to enjoy this again
Starting point is 00:28:52 and not feel like I'm always like, everyone's against me. Like, even if it's in my own head, like, no matter what your feelings are, you got to have healthy ways to process them. And I didn't realize that. Like, I just bottle it up. And then, you know, like when you get so out of control, there's no more bottling and it comes out in a horrible way. It's like Austin's beer. It's no longer bottling. And it comes out in a horrible way, as in it winds up down people's throats. It's disgusting. So Molly's like, well, I'm actually still here and I used to have anger management issues and anger is almost always a secondary emotion stemming from you know hurt or fear or whatever so yeah it just like rules you wow yeah well that night in the
Starting point is 00:29:36 van I was already feeling rejected like Charlie said she was one foot in one foot out and I think like that had already triggered a losing control response wait can we pause here I'm sorry to interrupt but when why was he feeling rejected none of the stuff with Charlie had happened no it's a lie. He's using the information he just got. He is an AI bot. He is using the new information he just found on the web, aka at this reunion, and now he's hallucinating because he is. That didn't happen. No, it did not happen at all. And now he's, so is Charlie's fault. It's Charlie's fault. I must have on some level been feeling rejected because I was feeling like rejected by her. And like, I think that like triggered a losing
Starting point is 00:30:20 control response because I had just been very sure about something for three years. And then it was gone. So this is, now you can blame Paige for this as well. Yeah, it's all the women's something that you were very sure of, even though there's like three years of footage of you saying things like, I can't wait till we get married someday. And Paige going, gross. I feel like I was losing my grasp on like Charlie and I was blaming, you know, the situation and the environment. And I freaked out. Okay, well, where do you go from here? Well, I mean, just redirect, you know, and talks with my therapist, you know, I know it takes a lot of natural resources, but I never understood that it could be like an anger issue, you know? I always thought it was like losing control. And Andy goes,
Starting point is 00:31:04 uh, you've never talked to your therapist about any of this? And he's like, well, you know, the last time I was with her, I said, what's that song by Stevie Nix about windmills? You mean landslide, baby? It's not windmills. No, about the thunder and the raining. How come it only thunders when it rains? Hey, so, like, you know, I just focused on, like, if I didn't drink, then it wouldn't be an issue. But then I could have, maybe it was just like, you're depressing other stuff. But, like, then you can't prevent stress from happening.
Starting point is 00:31:45 And you can't prevent environments from changing on you. And I need to have the tools to deal with it, like alcohol. So I didn't get to apologize to everyone. obviously I'm sorry you know and I'll just try my hardest to make sure that it never happens again you just blamed in this answer you blame two women
Starting point is 00:32:03 yeah this is such a bad apology but also like he clearly does not go to therapy there's just no way that he's been going to therapy through all of this and anger has not been brought up like that's just you can't tell these stories you can't tell the stories of your life or he can't tell the stories of his life
Starting point is 00:32:19 and the therapist never touches on anger And to literally say, I've never correlated the drinking with anger issues. What? No therapist has ever mentioned that to you? Like, Craig, you may not have correlated it, but a therapist, it's as blatant. I mean, like, all the stories of Craig or how he blows up, you have people telling you, you scream, we're scared of you, we're scared of you. And you never think once to yourself, oh, I may have anger issues.
Starting point is 00:32:44 Oh, there's something is going on that's deeper. Like, for sure, within like one or two sessions, a therapist would have isolated that. So he's clearly just going to his chat GPT or going to like a life coach or something or like a Jack. Like I don't know. Jack. He's going to Jack. I mean, we saw him go to a therapist one time on this show. Do you remember?
Starting point is 00:33:04 And he was like, yeah, well, like, I'm a really good liar. Like, I can lie about anything. And people always believe me. He's bragging to the therapist. And the therapist's face was like this. She was like, what the fuck? She was horrified. Like, I've never seen a therapist actually look horrified on TV.
Starting point is 00:33:21 before that was crazy yeah well all right this season we saw challenges to both old and new friendships at tess had the very fat luck of your relationships but so before we go i want to give you one last opportunity to clear the air madison you're living the dream new house new baby what's next for you another baby okay great and uh hot girl summer okay we really don't have to keep saying hot girl summer on bravo okay we can pretty much we could end that now right no anyone What about you? Yeah, they're asking Rodrigo. Maybe he'll tie the knot next season.
Starting point is 00:33:55 Nobody cares. Molly, you sing now. And she's like, yeah, maybe I'm going to song right now. Like, you know, no one really sings to the tuba. And then Andy asked Sally about Vanita and Charlie. Like, what has she learned about female friendships? And she's like, well, you know, they'll last forever. You know, hard ons go down.
Starting point is 00:34:16 But girlfriends are always there to steal your hard on. Yes. And if there's anything that Bravo has proven to us time and time again is that the most resilient thing are female friendships. So anything you want to say to Craig and Charlie and Charlie is like, no, like at the end of the day, like you get nothing for nothing. And that's all you can save her to life for the poor. Like I do see Craig as a friend. I just, I feel like we had a good friendship, you know, before when we were all hanging out. And I just like, I don't know, like I wish him the best.
Starting point is 00:34:49 Like, yeah, that's it. Vinita, it seems like you and Craig have made some headway tonight. Yeah, I mean, a little in a good way, though. I mean, I'm not gonna lie and be like, yeah, we're at 100, but I'm positive for things and no better outcome and hopefully getting invited to the hot tub. I'm ready when Vanita is. Just kidding, she's never allowed in. Okay, Austin, do you think that you and Craig made any progress today? Well, I think there's been some piece in my life from us, but you know, we kind of operate like in a group chat and like things like that, but like, you know, we have buffers, you know, and it's been like a bit more. peaceful that way and I just think that like maybe it'll remain that way for a little bit of time as well you know I don't know when like but like for now I'm just like a cat dad and take care of piper and martini yeah yeah so they're both like fuck that guy his answer was basically like nope still hate him all right Craig next steps with Austin well uh like we need space so uh maybe we can relearn each other
Starting point is 00:35:46 oh he's not going to therapy but he is like getting TikTok therapy because he's learned a lot of therapy speak, you know? Yeah. We just need to relearn each other. I was triggered. Yeah. We need to date again. It's like, okay.
Starting point is 00:36:03 Wittner, what do you think? He's like, well, you know, Craig is who Craig is and like tigers are not changing their stripes. Oh, someone's only about stripes. Carl, get out of here. Yeah, and we like to this hike. Almost had a bonner. It was close. Damn lines.
Starting point is 00:36:18 So, yeah, we had that tiger that, you know, we like that the tigers working on changing your stripes and you know it's just whether or not those people fit in each other's lives you know all right ship will you ever give up on us and craig's friendship and do we think that you're gonna have a terribly toxic season next season because you kind of are up he's like gosh no hold look at me on a nice guy i'm in the middle of the sofa wow oh i could be the bridge and sort of advocate for each other for the other one right okay i'm gonna give the toast for the evening because that's my thing um i knew a girl she had a tuba everybody's lame So I go to Cuba.
Starting point is 00:36:54 Wow. I'm basically Cuban. Cheers, everybody. Garsh. Whitney just pops up, oh, Molly, or you need all that cupcake that ended just gave you. Oh,
Starting point is 00:37:05 and that brings us to the end of the Southern Chalm season, everybody. So when does the valley start? Is it next week? Next Wednesday, yeah. Oh, my going. Yeah. April, Trump. Turnover. Yep. Very exciting. Thanks everyone for being here and we will catch you on the next episode of Watch What Crapins, which most likely will be Southern Hospitality. Bye, everyone. Bye.
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