Watch What Crappens - #3349 Crappy Hour Crappy Hour 5/4: Hollywood Crime Scene and RHOBH Dramz

Episode Date: May 5, 2026

This week we're joined by Desi Jedeikin @desijed and Rachel Fisher @childlikeempress from @HollywoodCrimeScene Podcast to talk Bravo headlines. They were so much fun go check out their pod! We go live every other Monday at 5:30 PT at Patreon.com/watchwhatcrappens and youtube.com/watchwhatcrappens. To watch this recap on video, listen to our bonus episodes, and get ad free listening, go to Patreon.com/watchwhatcrappens. Find bonus episodes at patreon.com/watchwhatcrappens and follow us on Instagram @watchwhatcrappens @ronniekaram @benmandelker Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Well, hello and welcome to Crape Hour. I'm Ronnie. That's Ben over there. Hi, Ben. Hi, Ronnie. How's it going? Good. How you doing, you handsome little guy? I'm doing quite well, thanks. You know, it's Monday. Crappy Hour. It's excited to talk about things. What's going on? Well, I'm having trouble because I think I'm balding on the sides of my eyebrows. Look, I'm like thinning on the sides of my eyebrows. Someone mentioned it in a comment.

I mean, not that not that it bothered me. at all your shit head whoever did that you said who who said that you're like having eyebrows thinning they said what's ronnie something like what's wrong with ronnie's divine eyebrows i was like what i don't even plucked my eyebrows anymore since the since the early 2000s but now that i look at them i think they're totally right but then these ones i still the this side of it i still have to trim with the tremor because they get like get the tent nothing no you can't get a tattoo of your eyebrows no no no it's not like you don't do no no it's like the light tattooing it sort of fills it in you know yeah but then what if eyebrows shapes drastically change

then you're fucked you know that's what happens well i don't think that really affects men too much though right oh nothing affects men okay what are you gonna do like like the like the big art like you're gonna get like the betty davis no i'm gonna complain about arches no it's just gonna be my thing that's gonna be my new thing i'm just gonna be like i'm fitting in my eye you can't make fun of me i'm fitting in my eyebrows that'll be my victim cloak never anybody calls me out. Well, my eyebrows are very unique in that they go in all different directions. And they like a bleak, d, d, d, d, they used to never, it used to be just fine.

And now they're like, like, little antennae, like, little, everywhere. So, yeah, that's the best way. You're very handsome. I'll take whatever you have. All right, everybody, welcome to the show today. We are doing, we added a third show to our cabaret in New York City. On June 5th, we added a late show. It's at 930.

The ticket's just one on sale today. So go get them. now. Okay, it's going to be fun. It's going to be Housewise Musical. Okay. You've never seen Ben sing as Erica Jane. It's time you did. Today is a very special day because we have very special guests along with us today for Crappy Hour. We've got Rachel and Desi from Hollywood crime scene podcast, ladies. Hello. Hi. How are you tonight? Welcome. I'm worried about my eyebrows now. I know. I know, be careful.

Be careful of that thinning. You never know where the good Lord's going to hit you. I'll tell you that. They're just staring at our faces, picking us apart. Like, figuring out. That would have made me spiral for like a week. Yeah, be careful of EOET early on said eyebrow thinning. It can happen to anyone.

Well, I was just making fun of, I just said something about Britney's new boyfriend on the Valley. I was like, get your thinning eyebrows out of here. And I shouldn't have done it. Maybe that's why I did it because I had read that comment. about myself and so maybe I was seeing I was projecting my pain onto other people you should get some power back yeah yeah you're not the only one I'm not the only one it's me and that schleb from the valley too get off my ass well welcome to the show you guys um tell us your bravo history is like what do you what are you into guys what do you want to go first um

i pretty much watch everything except for below deck I'm like that's where I'm sort of anemic. I've only watched the Salt Lake City episodes, those two episodes that were up. And I debate getting into it like literally every month. I'm like, should I finally do the dive into it below deck? But yeah, I watch all the housewives. I watch Summer House. I watch the Southern Charm universe or whatever it's fucking called. The universe, yeah. Southern Hospitality is sort of replaced Vanderpump for me. Like that's I was a huge vander pump girlie, but like, yeah, I like it all pretty much. Yeah.

Yeah, that'll do it. Bravo watcher as well, but just the housewives and ladies of London, of course. Oh, yeah, which is so fabulous. It's so good. I'm so curious, Desi. In terms of, like, you watched some of the below deck with the Salt Lake City women, what was your thought about, like, below deck in those like three or four episodes? So is that they aired at the top of the season?

Was it like, my dad keeps on trying to call me. I go ahead. I really liked the Salt Lake City below deck episodes. And I liked some of the characters. I do know like Kate from Traders. Like I've seen her on some other stuff. So I kind of am a little familiar. And I know like Captain Sandy and I'm like kind of aware of the discourse.

And I would love like if someone was like, you have to start with this season. Like this is like where you're like, like where you can start, then I'm not necessarily like I want to watch. I don't know how connected it is. Like, do I have to watch it? No, you don't have to watch it. They fire people mostly.

They'll bring on like one or two people that are every season. But you know, right. I mean, they're cleaning. You have to really be into watching people clean. I actually liked the episodes that I did watch. Though I felt like it really showed. I'm like a huge Heather hater. So for me, it was really good because I was like, yeah, she looks awful, even worse.

I felt like she did. That was not a flattering episode. So I was kind of like happy. And I think there's a lot of hot guys on the show, which is intriguing to me. So yeah. What's part about below deck is that a lot of times they have like very hot men on there. And by the end of the season, they're so repulsive to you that the idea that you could ever find them attractive at any time is like hilarious. I think if you I think if you are looking to start with the below deck season,

I would just say pick it up again with down under. It's been, I think, a great season. We've already seen tonight's episode, so we can't say what's going to happen, but I was thoroughly entertained and satisfied by the episode. I was cracking up. And by the way, Fish Report will be off the hook. Seriously, oh, my God, the fish. I was like, yes, they're really up in their fish game for this one.

Yeah, it's good. Yeah, it's a good. I would say, though, like, hot guys that you're a repulsed by is like a Bravo staple. Like, on all the shows. There's so many guys I was attracted to. And then I'm like, ugh. Like when they say, if you're ever hopelessly in love with somebody, put him on Bravo.

It'll when they start when they start like when Seth started feeling himself, I was like immediately turned off. I was like I like to you didn't know you were hot like from right. Seth from Salt Lake. Yes. Like once they start DJing and like feeling themselves, I'm like done usually. So not hot. Not hot.

You know, I have Meredith Marx's board game here. and we've also never played it. Oh, my God. I'm gonna step off stage. I'm gonna bring, I'm gonna bring the board again. We can open the box together and take a look around. You guys continue amongst yourself. We're huge Meredith.

Yeah, we're huge Meredith stands. And I have to say that your takes about Salt Lake City this season made me feel less crazy because I don't know what my algorithm on threads was doing, but everyone was wrong. Everyone was Team Brittany. I was like, what the fuck is wrong with you? And this is where Bravo becomes unenjoyable. sometimes and I hate that because I'm like it's fucking Bravo like it's not that serious it's like

when you start with teams but yeah but when it was Brittany v Meredith I'm like it's clearly we're clearly all team Meredith right oh you know I feel the same way all the time and it's it's so fun when you're on the same side as everybody as the audience but very rarely I am you know yeah same and that was one of them where I was going crazy by the end I was just screaming and yelling by the end of every I'm like how can you people not see this you know it's like a yeah I get too involved. I get too, I get too nuts. Yeah. All right, Ben. Bring it on, baby. You guys, this is the rumors. The rumors and the massiness. This was given, this was sent to me actually from Seth Marks himself. I think. Oh, my God. I take it that. I think you have to say that. I think you have to see that. It was like, let me go with the FCC.

Well, the box is very chic. The box is very chic. So here's the story. Here's the, here's the story with all this. We, um, this was released during. Bravo Khan and we ran into Seth and I was like, Seth, oh my God, my two loves are like Bravo and board games. This is like the perfect union of them both. He's like, oh my God, we got to send you this. We got to send you. And then I ran into him like three more times or the weekend. And every time I ran into it, it got bigger and bigger and bigger that by the end, he was like literally saying, hey, this is Ben. He's going to consult on the board games. He's coming into the business. He's our newest investor.

I know. I was like, well, but they were like, but they sent it. So first we have, there's like a sleeve. I'm gonna pull this sleeve off. Nice. The rumors and I'm asking this. It's hollow, just like the accusations. And then, okay, so we have this nice box.

Wow. Love it. It's very nice packaging so far. It's really nice looking. Oh, this actually doesn't even look like a board game. It looks like sex toys. Oh, well, now it doesn't, but it just, it looks like it could be naughty.

It looks like it's a little sex toys. Yeah. You start with those. You start with those and you start with those. You can insert these in places. That's level four. That's level four. There's a short glass.

And of course, when I fly airplanes, I only put water in these. Stop. There's some pans. These are some dry erase pans. Okay. Here, oh, there are some caviar tins, but I think these are full of questions. Oh.

With Mark's caviar tins. Yes. And they're full of questions. So this is the Meredith Mark's limited edition, ages 21 and up, rumors and answers game, the game where the truths and lies collide. I think it's basically a two truths and a lie game. I'm not going to go through all the rules right now because of the same. is actually a good amount of texts.

Wow. But if I know correct, there is something in here that does seem sort of like a sex toy. There's like a round glass thing that, oh, I don't know. Maybe you open this up and I think there's like different topics. So from what I gather, oh, here are the questions. I think it's that you really play two truths and a lie and then you have topics like gossip. There's a coasters. There's a gossip coaster and a betting coaster.

And I think you have to say, is this a rumor? Is it a lie? And then what happens is if it's a rumor or if you get it right, you get to put something in your shot glass. And if you get it, you drink from your shock glass. So very exciting stuff over here. I like that she based a whole board game just to kind of validate the fact that people are accusing her of being a liar. That's the great, the greatest expression of defense. And all the alcoholic season, putting shot glasses in there. Absolutely. You're just supposed to be diamonds, but they just have just a lot. looks like hard drugs. Yeah. This I wasn't doing crystal meth in the bathroom all night.

Weird out. She's pulling from all the... Yeah, she's just folly. She got tired after the tiny sex stories. She was like, I came up a tiny sex choice. Stick this up your ass. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappence commercial.

All right. Let's get on to some Bravo headlines, shall we? There's a lot going on. this week, guys. There's a little war, mini war between Teddy, who the internet lovingly refers to as John Mellencamp's daughter. So much. Teddy, you know, just comes out swinging against Doreet. Now, Teddy, as we all know, is a minion of Kyle Richards. She'll do anything for her little Kyle. So if Kyle's going to go for Doreet, so will Teddy on her show with Tamara. She said, P.K. says the show created...

Hi, I'm Teddy. P.K. says the show created scenarios that did not happen. What about the crying episode when their home was burglarized and Doreat was hugging Mauricio? Was that created? Ew, burn. Didn't you cheat on your husband? With a horse? With a horse. We did a horse guy? With a horse.

With a horse. With a horse. With the rumors. Talk about a Hollywood crime scene. We're going to judge someone for hugging Maricio. Teddy, really? She went on to stay. She talked about more of Doreet's major storylines throughout her Beverly Hills tenure,

including the Bucca de Pepo room and her Beverly Beach bathing suit line. He said he began to look at Doreet wondering, who are you? At the moment, I was wondering, did you mean because of the plastic surgery or how she mentally was acting? Haven't you had your face done 20 times? Who the fuck, Teddy? How dare you? God. DeReed has the best plastic surgery of all the women on Bravo, in my opinion.

I think who I'm dying to know who her doctor is. I'm dead serious. Like if anybody knows, I think whatever work she had done was great. It looks great. I actually agree. But the weird part is that, like, Teddy is actually defending Derreet here, I think, except for the fact that she just took a dig at the plastic surgery. She is because if P.K. is saying this is all made up.

Wouldn't Teddy saying if it was all made up, like, Are you saying that your wife's trauma was made up? Are you saying that what she did with the Bucca de Bapa room was made up? Are you saying that her Beverly Beach was made up? So she's actually defending Doreef here, which is, if you think about it. Yeah, maybe. It's really hard. You got to really think.

So Teddy didn't bring up, because I feel like bringing up Bucca de Bapar room is an automatic slam. It's me. At Beverly Leaves. Those are both slant. Bringing up any of her businesses is shade, right? Yes. Even the bud. And that's not even out yet.

Did P.K. bring it up or did Teddy? I guess I was confused. Teddy called out more of Doreet's major storylines throughout her tenure, including, so I guess this was Teddy. And then he said, P.K. said, he began to look at Doreet wondering, who are you? And Teddy said, did he mean because of her plastic surgery or how she was acting? Mentally, she was acting or whatever. So, you know, what a crazy, hypocritical thing to say, Teddy.

Although maybe I'll walk back my thing because I just assumed Teddy was saying, so what about this? Was that fake? What about this? Was that fake? But maybe she was saying it like, so was that fake? Was that fake? Right.

So I guess I have to hear the tone of her voice to know if she was like questioning whether things were fake or was she questioning Piqu's accusations and. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like because of her Kyle connection, it has to be shady personally. Yeah. She's just on there, I think, stumping. for Kyle is yeah but um i mean so to read oh sorry go ahead no it's good i just don't get i don't know who

likes teddy like why why does she have a podcast like they have a lot of listeners so i mean they're out there it's crazy it's crazy because i always consider her one of the least popular like housewives right like i don't know just once again out of the loop she just yeah she has like um for some reason she's still with us in terms of like a pop culture right like in a way that we were not necessarily expecting but now at this point she's like they are just their own pop their their own podcast so now they she has cash for that but it was weird that someone said let's take one of the most popular or at least most known housewives teddy i'm sorry tamara i put her with teddy because they both have tees in their names bizarre well when it started it was just

was Teddy and she was doing like murder, a murder show or something, right? It was like a murder podcast. Yeah, where she's like, hey, it's Teddy. Someone got Kate. I don't know. Whatever. It was like a murder show. And then that wasn't working.

And she had to deal with eye heart or whatever. So I think that they were like, okay, let's just bring in another housewife. Like your dad called. Yeah. Your dad called. Your dad gave us a couple of tips. The first was to fire you. Yeah.

But you're under contracts. So his other was to get another fired Housewives. So they got Tamara to do it. And Tamara's a little spitfire. So there you're good. That makes more fun. Match made in hell. Yeah.

It's a match made in hell. Okay. But yeah, they've got a lot of listeners. And one thing I learned a long time ago watching these Housewives shows is there is a fan for everybody. Yeah. Like no matter how unpopular my opinion about current cast may be, I know that there is at least

one or two people who will agree with me and I will search Reddit until I find them. And I'll be like, Yeah. That's yeah, honestly, I'm the same way. When I see someone on a Reddit board that agrees with my bad opinion, I'm always like, yay. And I'm like, let me see the heat they're getting before I say anything. I need to give them enough vote. I have to support them. Yeah. I've had to stick away. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So. Because there are too many people that are like, you know what, Ben's always wrong. I'm just like, you know what? Well, it only takes one bad. thing, you know, to ruin the whole experience because it's like, oh my God, this is so fun. Listen to how everybody's making fun of Teddy. Oh my God, they're so fun. They're like, Ronnie has thinning brows. I'm like, oh, I'm never coming back here again. It is true. You'll see like, you'll see people like defending Sesame Street from Potomac.

Like, like people you think are indefensible. Like, it's wild. Like, you kind of have a safe opinion and you're like, wait, there's Ashley Darby fans. Like what? Yeah, there's a week for every person apparently. Yeah. I do feel bad for the people who are like, well, I feel bad for the people who are like, guys, I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I really like Diana from Beverly Hills and was like, oh, fuck you, fuck you. I'm like, they said it was unpopular.

Why are you getting mad at them? Even if they're wrong. I mean, you gotta keep those thoughts to yourself. I think you know when it's like, I think they might secretly think it is popular, because why would you do that to yourself on threads, especially? especially like I don't know I think you're trying to find the other people who agree yeah you want community or sometimes it's just a person who doesn't realize their Facebook their Facebook post is going to threads and they're like innocently like posting something and then they get dragged the hell oh god yeah you have to know where you're

posting you have to know how to read the room you can be as nasty as you want on facebook I think because those people over there on housewives threads are real bad I saw Facebook and I go on there And I'm like, oh, my God, these people are so horrible. And I'm pretty neat, but I'll read their comments. Oh, my God, these people are monsters. Well, there's a lot of, like, there's a lot of, like, um, aunts and grand, and grandmas on, on Facebook these days. And it's just like people who are just of a different generation did not necessarily grow up

with, like, how to like chat about things on an online forum. And so there's a lot of like, this person sucks. I think the thing that I always have like the biggest difference with especially like the Facebook type fans is that like the older ones like you're talking about is that I actually enjoy really bad people. Like I don't have to personally think someone's a good person to watch them on television. In fact, I want to be the worst of the worst. And that's where I'm like, I don't get that you have to like someone to watch them on television. And that's sort of where I always sort of disagree with people. I was like, well, she's horrible.

That's why she's great. But it's like a sport. It's like a sport. You have to be just terrible enough to not be completely, like completely cancelable. You know what I mean? To get right up to that line to get a tag. Yeah. I know.

I love someone in the comments says back to topics dot, dot, dot, dot. And I'm like wondering, are they saying that we've drifted too far off the topics or are they just making reference to Joy Behar as being one of these people who would respond with this? They're dying for the headlines. All right. So, Doreet responded, sad. Sad to see someone once called me a friend, go to slow. She said in a comment on their post. P.K. said, oh, sorry.

Oh, this is just repeating more teddy stuff. Never mind. I don't need to repeat any more teddy stuff. She's repeated enough. But yeah, Doreet's mad, I guess, is the follow up there. Shocker. Yeah. I mean, that's the theme, right?

Jareet's Matt. Where do you guys stand? Yeah. Are you guys current with the Beverly Hills reunions and everything? Yes. Yes. Where do you stand on this like Doreet versus Kyle situation? Well, obviously I'm team Doreet and I'm not co-signing before everyone jumps on

my firm. I'm not co-signing Doreet's entire run on the show. But in this instance, Kyle's wrong. Yeah. I think so too. I think Dereet is correct, but she just has the worst possible way of delivering her defense or her accusations, and I wish I could, like, coach her

because I do think she's right, and Kyle needs to be, like, taken down a notch. I just don't think she's doing it in a way that the fans like. I agree, and Meredith Marks also has this problem for me, and I love Meredith Marks, but she is terrible at defending herself and explaining what's happening. Well, wouldn't you, if you had a toddler at home? Yeah.

And, I mean, I get it. But I think in both cases, they have people coming for them for shit that they're like, what? I mean, Meredith, they're coming at her, like, just for random. Like, you're a drunk and you're a this and you said this. She's like, what do you even, why I wasn't even fighting with you guys? Like, what would we be fighting about? And then she just gets to the point, like, now I'm a drug addict.

Now I'm fucking some guy. Now they make them so crazy that by the end. But Doree really, considering, you know, comparing the two, Doree has not taken half that guy from these ladies. They're just like, be nice. to P.K. or you're going to get in trouble, which I don't think that was Kyle's business to say, and I'm always anti-Kyle. I think Kyle's always wrong in these situations. And I do think that I do legit think she was wrong. But Doreet just takes it to this other level. And then it's every dinner. It's like, but you said Amanda, you talked about it at lunch with so-and-so. It's like, oh, God, it's episode 30 of the season. Yeah, right. It got too, it went too far of like the repetitive fight. Like, it was the same. fucking night every dinner. I think that's where she kind of lost people. Right. I don't know.

It hasn't been kind of fun seeing someone really just scolding Kyle at long left. Yes. Waiting for someone to be like, shut the fuck up. You know, because Kyle has been a shitty girl's girl. She's like not one. She's really been advocating for P.K. in subtle ways. She acts like she, like, last season was all about Doreet kind of begging Kyle to stuff. stop talking with P.K. And now this time she's like, well, I'm not talking with PK, everyone. She's like boasting this like, I've been silenced. I'm not allowed to send jokes and memes anymore. It's like, oh, boohoo, Kyle. And Kyle's one who tainted this relationship. And so I love Doreat coming for Kyle. Yeah. And I have this, I have this paradoxical thing where I'm also really enjoying Erica holding

Doreet's feet to the fire for being late all the time and being like really, really so much. She should be called out for that because it is. really fucking rude. I think Kyle is terrified of Doreet because Doreet knows how the sausage is made. Doreet knows how Kyle operates because she was a part of the Fox Force Five. So she knows exactly what Kyle's doing and she is so unhinged that she hasn't been afraid to just directly say it basically and call out what what she's up to in this instance. I mean, Kyle, I feel like you dislike Kyle. I'm sorry, I'm reading a comment. I got you. distracted.

Oh, uh, it says, Ronnie, I feel like your dislike for Kyle blinds your objectivity towards Doreet. I mean,

I think I'm pretty objective. Look, I think, I've just said why I think Doreet is wrong in a lot of ways. And Doreet, like you're saying, being late in all of that is so beyond rude. And I've never stood up for that.

Some of the things that Doret is called out for is true. And she should be called out. And Doret's been an asshole for years. So I've been really weird being behind Doret in any sense. The reason I am isn't just because she's against Kyle. is because Kyle's Kyle's doing her same tricks that she's been doing for years.

It's like she doesn't like someone, so she goes and she works with every other person behind that person's back when that person doesn't really even know what's going on, and then she tries to boot them, you know? And it just bugs me that she has that kind of power. She's too uninteresting to have that much power to me. Right. I actually find the banter or the back and forth

between Erica and Dorie to be more interesting because I do feel like Erica is spelling out her case better in a way that Kyle just doesn't do. And I was like, I would love to see Doreet and Erica really sit down and kind of hash it out calmly or something or as calmly as those two possibly could. Yeah. Because that I feel like Erica, I think, made some points.

Like, whereas Kyle just never lands for me. Kyle is sort of like she's giving kid sister energy, which is sort of her role in her family. And you just see how like that dynamic like reemerges time and time again when she gets into fights with people. It's like, but I wasn't the only one. It wasn't just, yeah. That's everyone serious.

It's not just me, it's not just me. Whereas Erica's like, don't fucking talk like that to me. And it's just like, ooh. So like, Erica's big Kathy, you know. Yeah. His kid. Erica's like, I've got double pink eye. You better watch out with her blush all over here.

I'll give it to you. I'll give it to you. Great point. I also want to say something else about Ronnie, like not being able to be objective about to read. I actually think that as podcasters were under no obligation to be objective about any of these people. I think that we have like,

It is our right to watch these shows and pick our favorites and warp our minds to come up with any reason why we would like them or not like them. I think that's like the fun of these shows. I mean, yes, it's good to like have an open mind. And I actually do try to have an open mind. That's why a lot of times on the podcast I'll say something like, I don't like this person. However, I could see from their point of view because I do like to look at other people's point of views. But I also don't think that this is a journalistic enterprise and we're under new obligation to be a. objective about like any of these idiots' point of views about anything.

So I just want to defend Ronnie. And not that Trent was coming at you, Trent. I'm not saying, he wasn't coming at me. And I put it up there because it's something that I hear a lot, and especially towards the end of a Real Housewives of Beverly Hill season, I get it a lot. Like Ronnie, Jesus, shut up. But you know, I'm just an audience member.

And by the end, every season I try to start like, okay, here's a clean slate, who cares. I'm always fine with Kyle until the middle of the season is when I'm like, when I'm like, oh, I see what you're doing lady. Yeah. And like, it's so pissed. And by the end of it, it's just the same thing over, especially on Beverly Hills, that by the end, I'm just screaming at the skies, you know, I'm like waving my fist at the skies. Like, get off my lawn, all of you. Right. Yeah. Also, sometimes you just don't like vibe with someone. Like, it doesn't have to be that serious.

Like, you just don't like that. Like, yeah. Right. What are you going to do? Commercials. Here comes one right now. Speaking of, Amanda Francis responds after some ex-customers speak out against her, complain about feeling brainwashed and funding her lifestyle with one woman claiming she spent six figures as Beverly Hill stars refutes claims of taking people's money. So we were wondering where all these customers were that we're going to be complaining, because you know they have to be out there. And someone said, let me see where this quote is.

Someone said basically that Carly. Oh, no, Carly is someone sticking up for her. Carly, who first discovered Amanda years ago, went from fifth grade teacher to the owner of her own online hypnotherapy business, which she uses to make women rich through rewiring and regulation. Definitely not a pyramid scheme happening here. Definitely not. So that's who's sticking up for her.

Definitely not like, oh, okay. So you're a grifter and I can make. money if I just pass the grift along. Got it. Can I get someone to defend me who doesn't sell crystals or something? Exactly. Can I not have an online hypnotherapy course, teacher, defend me? Jesus.

So someone said, after spending $2,000 on Amanda's courses, Jenna said she found herself $10,000 in debt. Well, would you take it five times, Demi? Did you not take notes? Ronnie, is this your family members, Carly and Jenna? Your sister, Carly, your cousin, Jenna. It's my sister and my cousin. That's why they're always asking me for shit.

No, they're not. A 45-year-old, she said, I funded her lifestyle for no reason. A 45-year-old California nurse named Jessica was equally upset with the lack of results she attained. I was like, I can take this course and make a shit ton of money and achieve more of my vision board goals, like living in a bigger house or on the beach, she recalled. But after spending six figures on Amanda's courses in total, including 40 grand in credit card charges and 40 grand from her retirement savings. Jessica felt like she'd entered a black hole. Jessica, I'm teaching a class called, this is your own fucking fault, you moron. Thank you. That'll be fun.

You would be better off going into a black hole. I know, here's a class called. Here's some other things six figures can buy you instead. This is crazy. Oh, my God. Yeah, that's dumb, but I'm not this dumb. And I, and I feel, I do. It's like, I feel bad for these people. I don't feel that bad. Sorry. I mean, they're not like an 85-year-old women or something with the Jen Shaw victims. Yeah. Right.

Well, that's kind of where I'm out. I mean, I feel bad too. Look, there are vulnerable people who get suckered into things. But, you know, you got to be responsible for your own damn self as I can see doing it once. One, one class. But like, if you're down 80 grand, 80 grand. And like, first of all, where do you even have that money? Where is that coming from?

But like, well, if it is much money. Apparently, and of course I read this and read it, but apparently one of the teachings is like you spend the money because you're telling yourself, if I spend money like I have money, then the universe is going to be like, oh, my God, you're spending money like you have money. I'm so dumb. You can't do that. I mean, Amanda really ate with that one. I have to say.

That's a great way to get people to keep buying your course. That's actually so funny that Derry did that. You have to, oh, like, you have to have millions. Oh, millions. It's like, oh, okay. I don't know. Yeah. So, yeah, so apparently it's like you have to spend it.

So the universe is like dumb. And it's like, oh, my God, they must be rich because they're spending all that money. Let me send them more money. I would be less annoyed if it was like, if the vibe of her class was almost like Micah's aunt leaves the line. in which is like carry yourself like a rich person carry yourself like you're someone who has immense privilege and you just walk in and you demand the table at the restaurant that you want because you should have it because you're a rich person and like how that energy like how people will cater to that energy

like I would be like that's okay that's like a legit thing because I do feel like people react to energies like that but if it's like if you react like that and then you just get money I'm like who I don't know if that works out no like if you need to spend money to feel like you have money go to the dollar store, you know, I've done that. Or like, I go to Old Navy and I'm like, I'm going on a shopping spree. You know, I'll spend $300 and walk out there like, I've done that before where I wanted like chicken tenders on a salad. And I said to the clerk, I was like, money is no object.

I was like, what could they possibly charge me? I love it. I love it. So shockingly, Amanda is kind of. of coming out on top here. And it's so weird to see this turn in the last part of the season where people are like, wait a minute, you guys are being mean to Amanda. Even me. I'm like, hey, why is everybody bullying Amanda in this reunion? I don't like it. They're making a tragic, tragic mistake because any housewife worth her dollar knows that you don't make somebody else look like they're bullied. That makes the fans love the bullied person. So they messed up on that one. When Amanda came in this season, I was like very much pro Amanda because I was like, you know, she's really annoying. But she's annoying all the other cast members and that's fun for me. So I was like all about it.

But then as the season went on, I just was like, no, she's just kind of annoying. And so I kind of like soured on her. But then when talk, when there was discussion about will Amanda come back? I was like, well, obviously she has to come back. So I was like, oh, so maybe I'm actually warmed back to her. But on that topic, people were asking her like, are you going to be coming back? to the show and she responded with, by the way, she has a really annoying Instagram handle,

which is Exo Amanda Francis, the Exo, like, what? We don't need that. I do not want the hug and the kiss first. But she goes, why would I want to do that again? So she's acting back. No, she'll never give up. She's not going to come back. This is like an infomercial for her business.

I mean, why would she go away from it? I need to see the numbers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I do find Amanda annoying, but I enjoy her on the show. I do agree, like, I do agree that bullying got to be too much. It's like, it's way more enjoyable for me to see Britney bullied than Amanda.

Because I do feel like Britney's like a bad mom at least. Like, so you can like, yeah. Brittany Bainman. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like I do feel at some point it's like she doesn't even really fight back like in a real way, like a dirty way, Amanda. So it kind of gets sad.

I don't know. I do enjoy her on the show, though, because I like annoying, someone annoying like that on the show. It was interesting. I mean, you did bring the only conflict other than the Doreton and Kyle constant. Yes, like, it's something. And I do like the women struggling to deal with her, like, therapy speak. Like, that stuff is funny to me. The generation gap is hilarious.

It is embarrassing as a fellow millennial to see Amanda kind of display, like, the most embarrassing cliche like you guys don't put me a wimp in my own house. That's not be so funny. Yeah. It was hard for me. It's a millennial to watch that. I'm like, oh, please don't. She really is like, like there's a ton of millennials on Bravo,

but she is the one who's distilling all the caricatures from pop culture and put them into one person. And like just everything she says where she's like, after our fight, like I was up until like 3 a.m. because I was having heart palpitations and physiological things. This really stole my spiritual health, you guys. I was spiritually hurt. And honestly, I still think the funniest moment, and it's a tragic moment, but it was the funniest moment. The moment that, like, elicited the biggest unexpected reaction from me was when she said, can we, like, not talk about it? This is the day that so-and-so died.

And Kathy Elton goes, is that your dog? Right. Oh, my God. I was like, this is my exact sense of humor. Like, if you could just tell it, it went right to commercial. It went right to commercial. And I was like, is that your dog? Oh, I was like.

It was one of the funniest things that happened all year that I feel like we really have not talked about enough. Because I think maybe because it's just like too close to a tragedy. But like that. But it was. That was a generous moment. It's so Kathy, too, like, to do something like that. It really is. That Facebook diet of the AI diet that she saw of Dr.

Oz and Oprah was pretty good. That was really funny. She does make me laugh. Oh, pretty good. Ben, what? You should talk about the Bose. Yes. Oh, the Bose of it all.

That was everywhere. I saw this coming down on threads. Yeah, yeah. Threads, isn't it funny that threads suddenly became like a place to be? after like two years of nothing all of life. But Bose posted a video defending, you know, the CMO thing because on the reunion, she was saying it's a position that has a short tenure. And Andy's like, does it?

Doesn't really? Oh, really? I don't know that. So she was like, Andy, let me tell you something. It actually is. And look, Forbes wrote about it and all these different articles wrote about it. It's a short tenure position in the C-suite. So she basically defended herself.

And then she pivoted to note that not only is that short tenure because the CMO gets a lot of flack for things that go wrong in the business in the company. But like also that of the like the Forbes 500, there's like only five black women who even hold the position of CMO. So she was kind of like the vibe was kind of like, how about instead of tearing me down, tearing us down? How about you just like celebrate us instead? So I thought it was a pretty interesting video. What did you guys think about it? I actually saw a really great thread where someone who works in that world, the C-suite world, which I know absolutely nothing about, broke down why what Bose did is actually very impressive. And she said that the nine years at Pepsi is why she's in so much demand because that's sort of the elite C-suite training ground to work at Pepsi.

sort of the model for every other corporate business in that C-suite, I guess, area. And she broke it down, like, in a 24-part thread that I literally read every single tweet, even though I don't understand any of the language. That's like a full book to us now. I read a 24. Like, I'm going to, I'm diving in. Like, I was just going in. And Boas actually commented at the end.

She's like, thank you. You said it way better than I ever could and have yet. Like, she wasn't able to kind of articulate it as well. as this woman. But this woman made it seem like it is a really short, like the four year average like stay. I know there's longer obviously and bozes were like two years in some cases or many of them. But she did make it seem like it's not really that unusual. And the fact that she keeps getting hired is indicative of that Pepsi background. Like people want her in. And she had really good. She just posted, she just posted winning, not Apple.

Apple's music of the, who was it? Like Billboard's Woman of the Year, something that she won when she was an executive at Apple for beats and stuff. So she's had a lot of good stuff. I think, you know, I don't know what Andy intended. I didn't think that he really was that bad. I just think he said, are there? You know, in his way.

Right, right. The offense is like, you know, you go on and you're questioning a black woman's this and that. Honestly, I get that. You know, I get why that would be offensive. My thing was, well, but you've been questioning Amanda's thing this whole time. That's why it was brought up because you were the one comparing your bit. You were the one who pulled up your chat GPT compared to her GPT in a car. You were the one reading yours like it was great and hers like it was bad, which by the way is true.

Hers is great. Amanda's a shit. Of course. Like we know that. So, but she's the one who kind of brought that in and that's why it was being discussed. I mean, it's been two years and I don't think anyone's questioned it. I certainly haven't. I was like, that's pretty badass. Like, when did we ever see anything like that, you know, on this show? So, you know, I'm also an ignoramus with C-suite stuff. I don't know any of that shit.

Yeah. I was just like, huh? But I think it was brought into evidence because you got hired at a corporation. That's hard. Yeah. Yeah. The first one the concept of C-suite has like entered Bravo. Everyone's like, wait. So we're not talking about skin care or a passion project of bikinis. Of all the businesses that the women of Bravo have had, this one honestly seems like one of the most legit ones that I've like never questioned them in like, what is it that she does? Like I just never. Right. Because we're just like, we don't even know. Good for you. I almost want Bose if she comes back next season, which I hope she does.

I almost want her to lean more into like her experience as someone in corporate America because you have to know like she works in corporate America. She's been with like some like she's just been in a different way. world. And when she sees some of the people on her cast talking about business, you know that she's like, these people have no fucking idea what they're talking about. And this is painful for me. And I almost want her to just, just be like, you're an idiot. Shut up. Shut down your shut down your business. This is a failure. You know, like, I want her to like actually show her expertise. Well, especially consider how close she is Marie, who has like the most insane businesses of almost anyone on the show. Like she constantly has something weird going.

Like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I think the audience in general really respects Bose's career. I mean, it's pretty impressive. We haven't seen anything like that. So, you know, I think they just should not talk about career stuff because you start talking about we're watching housewives.

You know what I mean? Like I don't, it's too much for me. I'm too stupid for this. Like, because then you're forgot. Think about how I feel. Okay, Bose. When you start talking about business, you make me talk about it in a. recap and then I look even dumber than I already.

Yeah. So can we just let me, leave me alone. Okay. We want jobs we can make fun of because we know. Yeah. Exactly. We want more than a betball. Yes, absolutely.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I want to see like another toaster oven, you know, as a, as a central thing. That was killer. You know, what happens? So Albie in the comments is saying that Andy has continued to argue with Bose in comments and stuff, which I did.

have to say what do you say did you guys see it i saw he said well what do i know he said that well every i just remember the what do i know because i heard it in ben's voice doing andy that's how we hear him now what do i know does this comment have new boobs okay tell me how long do implants last in the sea suite one thing i loved about this whole C-suite argument over the week in the fandom was just reading all these thousand comment threads of people like, well, I've been in a C-suite for 20 years and let me tell you. And like, everybody is suddenly a C-suite expert. I was like, there's no way that everybody in this thousand comment Reddit thread is now a C-suite expert. You guys stop with your cosplay. I never even heard of C-suite until like eight months ago. Honestly, I had no idea. It was called something. Well, scissors from my desk wants to know, are you? you allowed to have double Ds in the C-sweet. Yeah, exactly.

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