Watch What Crappens - Bonus #438: End of a Sandriana Era: PumpRules Special

Episode Date: March 7, 2023

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Out of the fetal position of the scandal that has rocked Bravo over the past few days. So, how about you? Everybody, welcome to the bonus. A lot of you do not listen to our bonuses because this is normally only on Patreon, but we cannot do a bonus about a story of this epic and not shared with the masses. So if you like this, just come to our Patreon. We do this every week about different subjects. Sometimes it's literally about toasters, okay?

This is just the part where we have fun and chat on the phone with each other. So patreon.com slash watcher crappens and thank you everybody who is already a supporter. We'd love you. Okay, so this this is like a 9-11 moment. Okay, this is emotional terrorism. Okay, and I'm not minimizing terrorism. Okay, just saying this is a moment. I was emotionally terrorized. Okay, and I'm not minimizing terrorism. Okay, I'm just saying this is a moment. I was emotionally terrorized. Okay, I will always remember where I was when I heard about the planes flying into Tom and Ariana. Like how dare you? I was in the car going around the traffic circle. I was very upset about traffic circles in general. I was like, these don't make any sense. And the most aggressive

person always wins in a traffic circle. And I think it's unfair. I think that it's unfair that people who like try to be safe and not hurt themselves or other people are punished in the traffic circle. That's what I was thinking. And then I started hearing bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop. Right. Literally my phone was going crazy. And it felt like when 9-11 happened, I was coming back from the country, I was in the country with a friend and I was driving back into civilization and both of our phones started going, as everybody tried calling us because we were living in New York at the time. So that's what hit my brain. All these bloops, I was like, what has happened? Like, what? Oh no,

it's like it's another world changing event. And so I pressed play, you know, on the car play, you just hit one and it just starts playing all the messages. And so Siri delivered me the news from all of our commentator friends, all of my real friends, all of our pretend friends. We see once every five years, like whatever. She just started reading it like this. Tom and Ariane have split because she's in and also X-ing as done by Siri.

You have, you know, I have to say that day First of all, that's hilarious. Like one of my favorite things is when I'm driving is to let if I'm getting whatever I'm on several group chats and if the The text are going in strong. I like like to wait like five minutes and then have to read them because when Siri reads the whole Conversation in that like monotone Emotionless voice. It's really kind of the best thing ever so I can't imagine hearing the Tom and Ariana Katie says fuck Tom forever Tom and Ariana. Katie says fuck Tom forever. Ronnie says, I know this is crazy. He says I can't believe it. Ronnie reacted with a with a with a with an exclamation point. And you know, people are going

off in paragraphs, you know, like whole pair of so like me too. I was monologue and serious getting half my words wrong. You know, I'm like, I don't fucking believe this. This is, you know, so made up bullshit for ratings. I'm not going to believe it until this is proven otherwise. That was my first reaction. I literally could not believe it. I didn't believe it. I didn't believe it. You know, the thing is this, I was lying on my sofa last week. I had this cold. It's almost all gone. I've like a little cough now for those who are wondering, thank you. But on Friday, the cold was giving like one last big gasp and I sort of had a headache. I just wasn't. I was tired. I was lethargic and I and we'd had really the prior 10 or honestly like 14 days for the two of us. We're very rigorous. We, you know, we did the crappies. We did a Phoenix show.

We really didn't get any time to sort of like recover from the crappies. And for me personally, I had that wretched blackout for 48 hours. And it just was like non-stop. And so Friday was the first day I really feel like I had gotten to exhale in a while. And I was just lying there in that sofa with my cold headache,, tire, just like, uh, and then the text came through from you, only you by the way, I just want to point out, I have the exact opposite experience, like no one texted me. Well, I think this is why because I know that I was like, what is Ronnie's, what is Ronnie

taught you were like, Hey, Ben, did you hear that rumors that Ariana and Tom broke up? I was like, what's Ronnie taught? But what I think that that also I should look for that text, Tom broke up. I was like, what's Ronnie talking about? But what, I think that that, also, I should look for that text, but I don't wanna have dead air. But I also think that text made no sense because I did it through Siri, because I was hearing all these blutes, and then I seared you, and then I read it later,

and it made little to no sense, where is this? Hold on, let me see. I'm scrolling too. Give me a lot of time. Should we do a number of some seed podcasts? You guys, there's like 20 pages of texting by the way here. There's like a photo from living spaces.

So I said, first we had a meeting in the morning and I said, and Ben, Ben didn't come because sometimes, you know, we can split meetings up. And I said, you missed a real party. And then Ben said, I'm lying in bed listening to Linda Ronstadt. And I said, that's true. I love that for you so much. I hope you stay there for a while and enjoy your day. That was part of my deal for us.

It's over to you. And then I said, I just, I said below deck and summer house, oh, those screeners. We got the screener. And you said, we, and then I said, I just read on TMZ, the area on the Tom Broke Cup because Tom cheated with Requel. What the hell? Oh, so it did get it. It was pretty clean and I said, we, and then I said, I just read on TMZ, the area on Anton Broke Up because Tom cheated with Requel. What the hell? Oh, so it did get it.

It was pretty clean. And I said, what? And he said, my phone is blowing up. Like, I'm the one that just got publicly cheated on. LOL, what the hell? And I'm just sitting there listening to Linda Ronsett. I should have known. I think I actually caused it to happen.

There's no way you can just like lying in bed and languish and listen to Linda Ronsat without a relationship. Just be kind. No, that's like the carpenters. Oh, I was listening to her old paint. It was like, no, I was listening, I was listening to old paint. I wasn't doing a song I'd do with her in Dolly Parton. It's like, called, I'll never love again or something.

Oh, yeah. Just like, you know, like, oh, I'll never love again or something. Oh, yeah. Just like, you know, like, like, ha, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, like two sad women. I should have known. I destroyed their relationship. I like somehow the universe was like, someone has played the Linderonset. It has been decided. Wow.

So yeah, you did do it. I did it. I apologize. But I just like to say, just so you don't feel bad that your phone wasn't flying up. Wow, so yeah, you did do it. I did it. I apologize. But I just like to say, just you don't feel bad that your phone wasn't blowing up. Here's why because you, I feel like you're a really good Bravo commentator. You're really good at watching it and giving a measured opinion.

I'm obsessed with the gossip, the conspiracy theory. So my friends and I text back and forth like, I don't believe this. You know, like, what do you believe about this Katie Renaissance? I'm not buying it, I think it's fake and I think they're probably still, they're gonna get back together in a year. This is just a Katie fan.

You know, like I'm that kind of textor. Oh, by the way, all of you who keep messaging me and saying, I guess this makes you like Katie more, the fuck does this have to do with Katie? Get off my ass. We're gonna, wait, we're gonna address that entire section in one moment. We first have to, with Katie? We're gonna pass. We're gonna, wait, we're gonna address that entire section in one moment.

Well, we first have to, we have to go through this process and then we're gonna address the James, we're gonna address James and Katie and everybody. Oh yeah, so I've got all the articles here. Yeah, there's things to say. But yeah, I was shocked and then I went, you said I've sent TMZ and I went on to TMZ with the first thing there and I was, I was, I was gobsmacked.

And you know, someone actually last night on Twitter, I think it was Twitter tweeted at us and said, why do you think people are reacting to this differently than other cheaters on Bravo? And I think the reason why is because a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, Tom and Arianna, especially Arianna, Arianna has been one of the rare Bravo stars who's been chill her entire tenure and has been just like, really likable. And she seems like the most normal,

like probably the most normal person on all of Bravo. And, you know, people will all be like, yeah, well, Arianna's just sort of like, well, you know, whatever on the show, you know, but I think what people don't realize is how much they've grown fond of her in a weird way. And so to see her, see how much that she went to bat for Raquel and has been such a good friend for Raquel and has been really supportive of Tom and his ventures. And it's just been like an overall chill, great person while juggling lots of like emotional baggage that she has, and she's shared her, you know, her struggles

with depression or anxiety. I think we all were like, what the fuck? No, we do not, this does not happen to Ariana. Also we like, you know, obviously we like her in real life. So I guess we should, you know, we should mention that. It's great. We've got an in trouble for that, you know, in the past, like not speak, you know, standing up for someone to like too much, just because we like them.

But I have to say she's genuinely nice. And one of the first things I told her when we kind of friend it out or whatever it was, you know what I like you, because you seem to know this is all bullshit. Like, and it's so refreshing, you know, because I think on her, I think in that whole world, nobody understands this bullshit.

Tom sure did, and Tom is full of bullshit. He always has been, you know? He's always in it for the clicks and the likes and the, before I met them through crap and I used to go to the surly goat down the street from me where I lived and that's where I first met them. I didn't know I was meeting them. I was talking to Tom's guy friends or whatever and then it turned out to be them and I didn't

say like, hey, I'm Ronnie. I have a podcast or whatever. He was just like, Hey, bro, take a selfie of us. Put it on your Instagram. You know, tag me. And I was like, who is this douche? I talked about it on the show years ago. I was like, this guy's such a douche bag

But that's also where I'm at her and she's just a nice person also another difference between her being nice and Seeming to know this is bullshit and sticking up for a call and everything that you just said There's a difference between fucking around and getting caught and A full on fucking affair with somebody who's pretending to be your friend right to your face while Tom is pretending to be your best friend right to your face. And they're doing all these secret things like wearing little lightning bolt necklaces that match as their secret code. I mean, he dressed up like Rakell for Halloween. By the way, with this gossip, I have been reading everything, Ron, I don't you worry. I'm like very up to date, I think I'm up to date.

But I just got everything. Are you saying that because I just sent you the shared thing? No, I didn't see the shared thing. I'm gonna look. I'm saying you was shared a shared file of all the screenshots I've taken over the weekend of all the guests.

Oh, where is it? I don't know, I shared it to your email. Should be in your messages. Okay, I'll look. Either way. But what were you saying before I cut you off? No, I was saying, you know, Santaval dressed up like her for Halloween. I mean, there's, there's a sort of this about this affair admittedly. Like this is not just like he's been cheating.

It's, it's like, it's okay. He's cheated. And it was someone on the friend group, which is also important. Someone who, uh, Ariana has actually been very, you know, like, has shepherded and has been like a mentor to, so it's even worse. And then it's someone who's also engaged, and yet another love triangle with shorts. And now there's conspiracy theories that the short stuff was a cover-up, who knows. But in a weird way, I mean, because we know Ariana, there's like a sick part of me that's like amused behind like this ridiculousness like, like, Raquel is this like this person just like she is going through this cast that's like, whoa, like this is crazy. But I think it's ultimately

disgusting. I think it's disgusting. I think that Sandevol and Raquel are both disgusting for this, but I put more blame on Sandevol because Raquel is disgusting because it's her friend and they're in a relationship, but ultimately he's the one in the relationship and he should know better and it's appalling. It's appalling. And he also has this whole reputation. He's like the more of the nice guy on the cast. And he's the one who's more thoughtful.

And it's such a let down. I think we're all just really let down and disappointed and frustrated. Yeah, one of our friends was texted me. And I mean, look at this, where is her text. I just thought it was worded. She says, you know, I'm really, where is it? I'm so fucking at a loss with this sandy affair. And what confuses me most is why Schwartz has been covering for him to this extent,

like regularly answering interview questions, standing next to Sandeval. I know Sandy could bury him if he wanted to, but this feels severe even for him. And I said they shared an apartment with Jacks when they were like 18 until recently, and they were all manhorsed together and did drugs, probably, et cetera. It's a special bond, those few men share. And that is true, you know, when you, I stand by that one. I think when Katie walked into that situation when they were all roommates, and didn't she become their roommate?

Wasn't she like their fourth roommate? Or was she being equal? Something like that, I don't remember, but I think, do you mind if I just actually circle back to clarify something I said, because I really don't want it to be misinterpreted? When I said that I like, like I get some sort of sick enjoyment, not enjoyment,

but like, but at Raquel, I think what what bums me out is that like Ariana is the victim in all this. Like I've had a bit of a situation where it had been like Ashina or something like that. I would be like, Oh, Raquel is so wrong for this, but there's something like darkly funny about like this is so vandiprom from rules that there's this person who's now like flourished into this monster just destroying all these relationships. But because it's Ariana who is really take who's gonna take the brunt of it

who's receiving all the hurt from it. And like by the way, in generally in life I'm not for people receiving hurt even if it is like Ashina or whatever. I am. But what I'm saying is that like. That's what I say. Some people deserve to hurt, okay. Yeah, but what I'm saying is that like because it's Ariana,

especially who is gonna be on the receiving end of this, like I can't even have my normal fucked up, you know, Shaddon Freud enjoyment of this messiest situation, if that makes sense, you know? Like it sucks, it's so terrible. Right, it's not the situation where you're passing around like, LOL, like making jokes with your friends all weekend about it.

It was literally depressing, okay? So, okay, so of course, as I do with all of my time off, I'm on my phone looking at Bravo News. Like, I love it. So this was a huge event for all Bravo people. And I knew, I just felt sick because I just felt like such a sick person. I was like, we're all sick people. You know, here we are. Everybody just canceled their whole fucking weekend to sit on their computers and just go after these people with pitchforks, right? And I was like, this is just, like it feels like just rolling around in it. It feels really cynical and gross.

And I was like, you are cynical and gross. And this is your shit to roll around and pin, get down there. So I did read a lot. I did not post a lot. I did not get a lot of comments out. I was like, fuck them, per down the restaurants. You know, yeah did not get a lot of comments out. I was like, fuck him, per-down the restaurants. You know, yeah, which were a lot of the comments. But anyway, just kind of unfolding that day.

So I get home, the traffic circle is not far from my house. Like Jesus, you know, because Siri couldn't handle my yelling. A question. Importantly, almost as urgent as the scandal. Does your traffic circle have stop signs in it? No, I would go out there with a fucking buzz saw and take them down. Okay, because in West Hollywood, they have,

or just in LA in general, but at West Hollywood, we'll sometimes do this. They'll just throw in, they'll have a normal intersection and they put a bunch of like pylons in the middle of the intersection to make it like a traffic circle, but they still have stop signs at the intersection. And I'm like, are you dumb?

The whole point of a traffic circle is that you have yield signs all around it. That way you glide into the circle and then you go around the circle to you emerge at your next spoke as opposed, like if you're going to, if everyone's going to stop, then you don't need the circle, right? It's like a, it's like Rick Hellsafe this circle. It's a steeped circle, a steeped fucking person. Okay. Man, you get us talking about traffic circles, because I could stay, I could stay on the traffic circle the whole

level. Because every time I stop, every time I have to, well, as I approach the traffic circle, and then I have to stop before I go into this traffic circle, it's like, then what's the point of this being a traffic circle? The whole point is that you're just merging. It's a, it's a series you've turned into a series of merges. Right, but you, in mind, it's very clear.'ve turned into a series of merges. Right, but mine is very clear.

You see all the other roads that are coming into this traffic circle. You see everybody very clearly. And so people with the biggest, gralleist cars literally slam all their gas to get in front of you in the traffic. It's like you fucking asshole. You know, and yeah, it's okay. Well, that's my and fuck.

And then you like, why did they are a metaphor for Vennipromp rules? They are. What happens is you enter the traffic circle. And then what inevitably happens is if it's the first time the traffic circle, you're not totally sure which is supposed to be the spoke you get off on.

So you usually do like two or three rounds. And then you're in the wrong lane. Like there's one round where you're like, oh, there was the signs. You're like, I'll go around again, but by the time you're around again, you're not in the right lane for it. So you have to do it like one more time.

That's kind of like Phantom of Rules. Just stuck in the traffic. The Vanderpump Rules traffic circle. You get off and you can be pretty sure that a lot of other people have gotten off there same exact, exact stop that you did. So traffic circles. Yeah, so I get home and just went crazy reading all of this. I did not believe it because the original TMZ story, I don't know, I just TMZ, they're not known for like posting lies, you know, I feel like they're pretty trustworthy. So I think that in itself was a pretty big blow.

And then a couple of our friends, because we say we like Ariana. Ariana's not calling us for advice. We're not like best friends. We're kind of like, we know each other through this crazy bravo world, right? So of course, she's not gonna call her. And I didn't want to call her

because I know her phone's fucking blowing up like crazy. But we know close friends of hers who were texting like she turned off her phone, she deleted all her social media. So that's when you know this shit is real. Then her brother posted. Yeah, this was the damning brother and Logan. Those, these are the damning parts for me. Yeah, so this is the brother post Jeremy. It's funny to watch people social climb and be so fake that they're willing to shit on people that are supposed to be their quote unquote best friend, a term that gets thrown around very often around

here. I'll just to come up or have some sort of storyline. This lifestyle in this group is beyond toxic. And I wouldn't sorry, I can't work a phone because I'm an old bitch. And I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, I'll just for a clap from a corny ass network like Bravo TV. Tom is a corny ass network, sorry, Tom's the tryhard, having a midlife crisis

with his cringy band and Raquel has faked her way to the top, trying to make something of her life, willing to step on whoever to get there, starting with James. Sell out, type lame shit. Let's all remember that Reco was a fan of the show before all this. Does anyone pay attention? Yeah, and everyone's now calling her Rachel, because that's her real name. It's time for commercial.

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Stream and just like that season 2 starting June 22nd on Max, and listen to end just like that, the writers room on Max, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's come here, show. You know what's crazy is that we contemplated getting Requel to come to the crappies. And by contemplate, I mean, there was a text where like, Katie Kuzorla, who I guess knows, was like, shy, shy, reach out to come to the crappies. And by conflict, I mean, there was a text where like, Kiti Kuzorla, who I guess knows, was like, shy, shy reach out to Raquel.

And I was like, oh my God, yes, that'd be amazing for Raquel came. Oh God, I'm so glad we didn't do that. I'm actually shocked. I'm actually shocked that didn't happen because we have a really good track record of like being really public with someone who then gets into huge trouble on the internet. I know it actually would have made perfect sense if you think about our track record.

I know. I'm like shocked that Raquel didn't come that we never, I don't think we ever really, I don't think Katie ever really reached out to Raquel at all. I think you just sort of died on the vine, but like that's a little surprising knowing our reputation, our track record. But I was, yeah, as this information came out, it was like, I was shocked. I even, I like told Dom, I like that. I know Dom doesn't pay attention to this. So I told Dom, I hope he doesn't get mad that I'm going to put this on the boat as episode. And I was like, I was like, oh my God, you remember, you know, Ariana. And he goes, he, Dom, who doesn't really watch Vanderpump rules, he was like, oh, is she the one whose husband I didn't like?

And I was like, wow, but Don picked up on it right away. He was like, oh, yeah, I never liked that guy. I never liked that guy. I was like, yeah, it's a douchebag. Mike, he's just a weirdo Hollywood fuck you on a race. I have to say, by the way, I just want to say my experience with Tom was I you know, I felt the similar to you that I felt he was very like he was very preoccupied with sort of like visuals, etc But I I had really nice and fun interactions with him He and Ariana had come to my birthday party once or twice, then we went to TomTom afterwards.

He was always super friendly, and I was like, Tom's great, I love Tom. He was just, you know, he's sort of like a Bippity Bob, but as a Bippity Bob, I really enjoyed him. I felt he was great, which is why I felt really surprised by this, and I'm just so disappointed. And I was always really nice, you know. It's like, I'm not so disappointed. And I was like, it was always really nice. It's like, I'm not coming back now,

but I'm like, I never liked Tom. I did. Like we did like Tom. We always had a really good time with him. I'm just saying he is a typical Hollywood phony below. Hollywood. You know, he just seemed kind of innocent with it all. You know?

I was shocked. It really, I was shocked because it seemed like they were so, just knowing them in person or like, just not saying knowing, knowing them, but just interacting with them in person. We went to Katie and Walter's wedding. They were there. That was when we sort of had, for me,

that was like my formative friendship building with them because we were in a weekend altogether in Mexico. And they just seem like a really wonderful loving couple. I don't know, maybe stuff changed in the pandemic. You know, pandemic was really hard on people. It doesn't matter. I'm not going to give any excuses. I'm not going to give, I'm not having a safe midlife crisis. He may be going through midlife crisis, but why should I even allow that out? It's just, it's just wrong. Well, the whole Requel thing, the whole Requel event, I remember when Requel first came on the show,

and it was like, is this like, you know, one of those kind of all about you situations where, you know, sorry, non-gay people. But that's a story about a star, Betty Davis. And someone new comes in, she's real smiling, and she just wants to help. And she's the best. And Betty Davis. And someone new comes in, she's real smiley and she just wants to help. And she's the best. And Betty Davis starts getting paranoid. Like this girl's coming after my, my rolls, my shit. Like this girl's trying to take my life. And everyone's

like, no, no, no, she's the sweetest. And then of course, it turns out she's this villainous, awful woman who ruins Betty Davis's life and steals her career. Right. You know, Lala was one of those like Brittany, you like, I'm just Brittany. All I really packed was a night and a night down to come to this job interview. You know, she had a similar kind of entrance where you're just like, do you just want to be on TV? What are you doing here? But then really all she seemed to do was stand by the DJ stand or stand behind

DJ James Kennedy and not say anything. She wasn't trying to start drama with people. She wasn't, she didn't come off as thirsty. No, I'm not here. And then the next year. And I think what happened is she finally got brainwashed by the toxicity of all of these people. It's like she was with James who is with a piece of shit. Everybody's cheated on each other. No one really stuck up for her with all of that stuff, you know? Yeah. It's like she got corrupted or something.

I don't know, but I do know this. A lot of videos I've watched this weekend have been Requel. They've been like, oh, well, look where Requel was on this date. Look, Oh, Requel went home with Tom for Christmas. Oh, look, here they are at Coachella, which by the way is a trash heap of sin and depravity that you should know one interrelationship should ever let their significant other go to. Can we finally, like, can we finally put this out here? Like if you're in a relationship, don't let your boyfriend go to a cacella just don't or just don't

go together and just actually once just close down the cacella, you really need it anymore. Closer. I don't know if he's with Beyonce. Right. It's it's a horrible satanic place. So there's videos over there. Then there was another video of her doing a beauty competition. Girl now I can see why you came in 15th or 25th or whatever the fuck you came in after she now sit this week on the show. This girl carries out a boogie board. Okay, she's like doing her walk and she's carrying out a boogie board and then puts it down on the runway and gets up on it so awkwardly. It's on the floor, Raquel. Why can you not get up on it? But she's like having trouble getting up on it and then

she pretends to like surf on a bookie board and then she gets off and picks it up and walks off. I don't know if that was supposed to be her talent. I watched this video. I'm telling you 30 times. Okay. Like I watch this like this abrooter film and Tom was there cheering her on. So people are like, Oh, and look, she, Tom was in an synsenitas wherever the hell this beauty pattern was.

Anyway, the point is I've seen all this video footage of her kelping a stalker showing up everywhere that Tom is. Why would we think anything different? She followed James Kennedy around. She was at every single show. She really likes a man who's performing. And on the stage, even if they're extremely mediocre at best at what they do. And yes, I'm speaking about both Tom and James.

They both suck. Let's face it. Yeah. I am really, I'm intrigued to see what it's going to be like for us as recap. Well, for me, I think for you, it'll be easy. But for me, you know, this season so far of Antipen brules has been really great before all this stuff even happened. And I have been really enjoying this like Raquel Renaissance, you know, the prior to all this scandal breaking, my view of Raquel was she had been under the thumb of James, she'd been scared, she'd self-modeling in what seemed to be a fairly emotionally abusive

relationship. And now she finally has her own woman. She seems more self-possessed. She's just sort of going out in the world, being more adventurous and finding her way. And I was like, wow, who would have thought that Rakel was the surprise star of this season? This has been so wonderful to watch on Fold. And it's like, oh gosh, now we have to pivot.

And now the show is still going to be the same show. It's still going to be presenting Rakel's like, oh gosh, now we have to pivot. And it's like, and now that show is still gonna be the same show. It's still gonna be presenting, or tell as like, burgeoning hero, but we're all gonna be like, fuck her. I don't know, it's gonna be so interesting to see how it is. And I guarantee that Bravo is already re-editing the season. Like I guarantee that at the very least, they're throwing in hints of this, of what's to come, they're doing foreshadowing.

They've got to be because there's just no way they can let all the episodes are already done, just stay as they are. So let's go over what they are, and they started filming again immediately. They were like, get Andy in the camera. So they went right back into production, and sources were saying that they were like, get Andy in the camera. You know, so they, they went right back into production and sources were saying that they were shooting at their house.

They had their big break up scene at their house shot. And they were reporting that Tom was packing, packed his stuff and left the house, but it wasn't his stuff. It was his stuff for his show that night. He started his packing equipment into the car. And the rumor is like there was one rumor, and who knows, because this is another Instagram thing. Oh, I don't know. It sounded like were you about to go through like a

chronicle like a timeline? Yeah, like because some people, you know, are not obsessed like us. And so they're like, what is this? Let me listen to watch what crap ends and they'll tell me what it is. And we're like literally a matter traffic circles. So let's go through like what actually happened. Okay. Do you want me to start? Yeah. That was your intro. Here's Ben Mantle-Kam. It's just started off, Ben. By the way, I never got your gallery of screenshots,

but that's okay. So what? Maybe it's under your shared albums. If you could have shared albums in your iCloud, it might be showing up there. Oh, iCloud or not Google Drive? No, not Google Drive, though. It's through my iPhone.

Okay, I, oh, it's here. Okay, it's still not showing up in my computer. So, you know, it's, it's all good. I'm, I'm gonna just, listen, I'm just gonna wing it. Okay, I'm gonna be like at the climax of a romcom where someone has to like perform to win the hearts of the one. I'll back you out of the camera. Thanks. Yeah. So, um, uh, basically went left Wednesday night, like just like four days, four or five days after the

crappies. Uh, the mo Tom was performing with his, um, 18 city band orchestra. Yes. Yes. Fucking child labor city band where the only people with talents are that they're from the high school that he performing. Yeah, I think the arco may be a gower and gower and Franklin, but they're performing. Ariana was there. It was there. And apparently she went on to Tom's phone for some reason and she saw he dropped it.

He dropped his phone apparently and she picked up the phone and just of course as you do start scrolling through the phone and Tom had screened recorded a FaceTime call of Ariana masturbating for no of Raquel masturbating. That's what I meant Raquel sorry. Oh my god. I just changed the whole story. That's a very different story. Allegedly, this is all alleged because this is just what's coming down the gossip. Yeah. Allegedly, Ariana, and it is a little weird to be reporting about gossip when it's actually like a friend involved, but like we also have our job to do.

So Ariana, I guess she texted Raquel and confronted Raquel about it over text. And the rumor is that Shina was with Raquel. And it was all... Because Shina and Raquel were doing Watch What Happens Live together. So it was right after Watch What Happens Live. And Raquel had given some weird answers that Shina was weirded out. Because they were weird. Hi! given some weird answers that Shina was weirded out. Because they were weird. Hi.

By the way, at today, this came up on Facebook. Today is the five-year anniversary of Ariana and Shina being on Watch What Happens Live. And Ariana mentioning our podcast on the show. That was today. I love how you, this whole scandal, the tent pulls of this whole scandal for you are the crappies and one area on.

No, no, in this case, I was saying this because it just to show like what a mention that Ariana is because she went on to watch her happens live and she gave us a shout out on a national level. That's the first time ever. And like that was a coincidence that that happened today five years ago guys Five years ago today five years ago. I'm gonna talk to about us. Yeah So yeah, they were on the show together and apparently one of the questions was something like who do you think it? Who's the hottest Tom and

Raquel said Tom Sandevol and she and after supposedly asked her Why would you oh, during the commercial break said, what was that about? Why would you say sandevol is the hottest? And that she and I said, that Eric God, Ronnie, fucking God, blessed gay. You can do it. You can do it. That Raquel said, well, he has like abs. Okay. Like he has abs. So that's why I said that. Okay, like he has abs, so that's why I said that. Right. And so apparently as Ariana confronted Raquel about this and she knew what's with her, the rumor is that she not hit Raquel.

I don't know if she slapped her or punched her. She pushed her up against the wall and then punched her and Raquel had a scratch and above her eyebrow, which against the wall and punched her. Wow. Take the girl out of a Susa. Yeah. So then Charlie and Rekel's sister. So Charlie is on Twitter, of course, and Charlie

Brunette. She's like, at the end of the day, no one deserves to feel this gut punch to say I'm disappointed would be an understatement and Kate Couture, who I guess is Real's sister, says, nor punched in the face. And then, um... Oh, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, Charlie Brinette jumps back in and says, you dumb fucking cop fitness. Get the fuck off my page before I drag you

and your mother fucking sister. Show her this too. Wow. Wow. Wow, wow, wow. So yeah, that's that's that. So apparently, Rikail got punched immediately. And I don't know if she thought it was gonna be cute

or what or like how long they thought this could be secret or who knew or any of that But this cast I did some sorry the visual of she not putting or pushing her shit or kell up against the wall and then punching her I don't condone violence. It's just funny to think of she did it being the one to do it It just she not you know, yeah, well the whole cast of course Listen, this is a reality show you know, yeah. Well, the whole cast, of course, listen, this is a reality show.

So everybody's gonna try and make this about themselves and get as many likes as they can. And I do wanna mention again, that five years ago today, Ariana mentioned lots of crap in this on, watch what happens, okay, continue. Also, just in case anybody would like to see the last time Ariana was happy before all this went down, please go this into the crappies. It actually is kind of true.

We are not charging $10 to listen to the $10 to see Ariana smiling and not on trouble in the world. Andy, let me scroll to this Andy post because it's pretty good. Someone listened to Andy's show so we don't have to kind of thing. It's one of those posts. Andy did tweet something like, how many were unions? It's too many for Vanderbub rules. And then Lisa wrote back, she said,

only one my heart can't take it. Oh yeah, Lisa's fucking love. Isn't isn't this week, isn't the the preview for this week is where Carol making out with Oliver, Gikar Celeson. It sure is. And she's really going right, I mean, she's, and there's that meme, there's a meme that someone sent of like, of like death with a sickle, going down a hallway and just like murdering couples. I mean, there's a meme that someone sent of like, of like death with a sickle going down a hallway and just like murdering couples. I mean, she really is. I know people are like, who's next for Kel-Ken? I mean, she's a little nice.

Everyone like, yeah, Mow, be careful. So today on Radio Andy, I'm getting this from Brands by Bravo. Also, really, to all the Bravo Instagram account. Thank you. You know, when the when the time comes to do your duty, you guys are so good. You're on top of everything. Killed it. And we follow so many of you. I will follow so many more of you as I find you.

But this particular one is brands by Bravo, who does a really great job. So they did a they listened to radio Andy and then gave us a glimpse. Today on Radio Andy, his phone was blowing up all weekend too. No housewives texted, but everyone on the 42 and under shows were texting. Three is the best. Jack's texted him the most. So that's kind of where I'm leading with this is that everybody, of course, is making this about them. And Jack's, of course, is gonna now try and get back on the show. Right. Kristen Dowdy, who, we like Dowdy,

despite her problematic past, in general, I think that she served enough solid time on the show that I can say, you know, you're so, so part of you hear about Dowdy, even after all the faith stuff, it's like, no, I still have a major cranes stuff about that. I'm not saying I love her,. Don't come burn down my house. Grinjee, yeah. I'm just saying you read it, tweet, tweet like this from Daudi and you're

like, yes, any Vanderpromp rules fan from WaybackWin is going, yes, get her, get her. So she tweeted, karma is indeed coming. So we're kel just move home. Yeah, I mean, if there's ever a moment, who unleash like the, which is a wehoe, this is like when those movies, you know, you know, those movies where like, at the end of the movie, the evil force has been put into a cave and sealed up and the life goes on happily ever after for all of the world. And then in the sequel, they're like, there's something terrible and the only way that we can rid this terrible thing is to unseal the mountain. It's like, on a, do we have to uncorrect the witches of we hoe to take care of Raquel, you know, like

I sort of feels like that. Well, they sure did all come out. And then a lot, the two biggest phonies I think are James and Lala who immediately come out and start posting it. So, two to, yeah, James Kennedy posting. I hope your feelings sick as I do. This explains everything. You know, okay. This is like, this is not a zero-sum game where once Rectel reveals herself to be a shitty person that therefore James is now elevated to being a less shitty person. No, it is there's no seesaw effect here. When she drops down, you do not elevate. You're still down there too. Like you're still shitty James. You're like a shitty, shitty person. Okay, she's just joined you in the party. This is from Lala's insta. He needs a feast and a little, little gazelle. I'm eating good tonight.

Hold on, hold on. Just do a little fox. My mom is telling me to calm down. I will not. I will not. By the way, anyone who's sitting there going, you're a whole record too. Do you think if I was actually one of those

that I would be out in these streets talking the way I'm talking? No, I would crawl in a hole hole I ain't got nothing to say Do you need me to read all of your texts to Rams X that I just read a couple of episodes ago. Lala you Guess you are a damn home wrecker, and now is not the time like she's literally Filled with glee, you know? Also, like, yeah. She's the glee that gets me, you know?

Like you're la la. You don't get to roll around with glee. Over. I just don't think like the, where Jackson, James, et cetera, are acting like they are like totally vindicated. Like you're not really vindicated. You're not really vindicated. You're not vindicated.

You guys were still shitty in your situations. You guys were the shitty or ones in your situations. Sorry. Also, you guys need to give someone else their opening night. You know what I mean? You guys have had years to be shitheads on this show, and we're all used to it. And finally, there's a new Vanderpump rules person who has their opening night as a villain, and you guys are all trying to take the credit for it. feature. It's a double do a lot. Okay. Yeah,

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Angie.com. That's ANGI.com. That's a ng i dot com. So now the other thing that happened is of course now everyone is just flooding shorts and sandies and Tom Tom negative reviews on yell to the point where yell pad to stop their reviews and everything. And so sand of all did release a statement that was like, oh listen, I know everyone's really disappointed and I deserve that. But like, I'm just like one part of this organization. There are a lot of people who aren't famous that they're lying and so please don't take it out on the organization. I'm sorry to Greg.

I'm sorry to Brett. I'm sorry to our dishwashers. I'm sorry to Franklin Village. I'm sorry to the people at Gelsons around the corner. I'm sorry to all the Uber drivers. Is it my forgetting anyone else? Super sorry to the vegan ice cream shop down the street. Love your milkless ice cream, bro. Don't quit just because I'm a fuck up. Sorry, but the most celebrity Scientologist center, all the famous Scientologists across the street.

I'm sorry. Sorry. The C's are salad and for adding to he need to it, because I know that might have ruined your rap, but, you know, I'm really sorry. I can't think of anybody else to apologize. Like you're not going to say one, I'm sorry, to fucking Ariana. You've piece of shit, Tom. You dumb ass.

That was real. And my way to throw your entire fucking business down the drain, because the only people who are gonna go to that restaurant now are fucking traders. And don't give me this, oh, there's other people who invested. They invested in your douchey ass, okay? And don't tell me, Raquel hasn't been hanging around that restaurant every fucking night, and they didn't all know what was going on, okay? So I feel for none of you.

I wonder how that's gonna change business. I wonder if it's really severe. Damn, I never went to Schwarzeneggis and I'm not gonna go now. I did go. I just gave it a glowing review. Take it, go. But also, the whole, I don't think that everybody should be going on in writing, yelp reviews.

I'm not saying that anybody should do that. I'm just saying, don't go. You know, don't go. And people are also sort of retroactively really angry because Ariana wanted to do her own cocktail book and then Tom added himself onto it. Danny Pellegrino, who actually was wrote the book with him. She is I'm so proud of Danny because he basically, he's been very vocal anti-Aryan. I mean, I'm not proud of Danny, because he basically, he's been very vocal anti-Ary, I mean,

I'm actually a theory on anti-tombs and stuff. Danny Pellegrino, like literally the nicest, most charming person on the earth is like, fuck Ariana, fuck her. I trust a lot in this. No, he has been, I was like, you know, I actually really respect that a lot because that's like a business relationship and he's, and he's, he drew a line in the sand and that actually takes a lot of guts. So like my hat is really off.

It doesn't, it doesn't cost us anything to say, fuck Tom Sand of all right now, you know, but like to Danny that could cost something. And so I really respect Danny for doing that. And then of course she and I had her podcast about it. And then she tweeted yesterday, every morning when I wake up, I realized it wasn't just a nightmare. It's real cry face broken heart. Kim Ariana.

Wah. Yeah, everyone has come out like, Stasi also, Stasi you had like a baby announcement last weekend. It's like, whoop upstaged. I'm surprised that, you know, the only thing that is not more surprising is that Lala did not just get cheated out. Like she was not in a relationship that got destroyed by Raquel two days prior because

Lala's whole thing is that she always has storylines that get upstaged by just flash your versions of the same story line by other cast members. So I'm a little surprised. Yeah. I'm not ignoring you. I'm scrolling through all of this, trying to decide. I've got like a hundred screenshots. So I'm trying to figure out which one to read from you. I would like to read this comment from Lauren. Lauren Fenda. Let's go on a Benda with Lauren Fenda. I read it on the Facebook page. So it's a stretch, but my love for astrology and Bravo had me thinking, anyone else find it ironic that Gabby from Summer House

refused to talk to a guy because he's a cancer and her reasoning is that since her ex-boyfriend is a cancer and cheated on her at Coachella that all cancer meant cheat. Fast forward to VPR, Tom is also a cancer. And it started at Coach Shela. Yeah, there was a meme that was going around that was like, Gabby called it because Tom's like a cancer.

Everyone is just like, I mean, this is... So this is, do you want to hear another one? Just tell me when to shut up, because I'm just... No, I'm liking this. And I have to say, I think you also know from podcasting with me for 11 years, I usually have kind of my takes, I feel like I will say, I believe this,

but to be fair, this is what's going on, and this is what's going on, that for some reason I just like to be a completionist on the whole take, because I just can't say I'm people that are like, what about this? So it's like, while I'm giving my hot take, I'm also kind of trying to address future responses

to it all at once. But I think it's so refreshing to have a really clean cut take, which is that like, Tom is fucking, Tom is, Tom is, Tom is like, I'm fucking revolting that mail this in. Here's what the man has, charm and looks. That's a lot to be given in a town like LA Okay, that it's a lot to be handed in that town and

You know, he's used it fairly well I think for the most part but then to just shit on it like to have such such kind of that privilege and then to just shit on it and Waste it all for fucking what you would feel a little bit younger for a second You know, is that what is giving you because Because the blowouts not giving it to you. The Hawaiian shirts aren't giving it to you. The fucking porn staff isn't giving it to you, buddy. The singing of like three octaves out of key is not giving it to you. So this is what you do. Fuck off. Okay, so music kills Katie who is of course now Katie Let me say I can see Katie reveling in this because Katie hates Tom's ass

You know what I mean and she's always hated Tom's ass so when Katie revels in it I'm like, you know what Katie? I don't really like you. I've never really liked you But God, am I ever gonna like take the joy away from somebody when they get ahead in a box on their door? She just opened a box with Tom Sande of all's head in it and she is just rolling around and poo. She's loving it. Okay, so she posted this on her thing, Beauty Queen and Crisis Mode. I think this is a duma post. I'm guessing. Oh, it's about the PR, like the, the, the, the, the, the, Raquel's PR agency. Yeah. is about the PR, like the, the, the, the, the, Rikkel's PR agency. Yeah.

Okay. So Rikkel fired her PR team yesterday, which not so coincidentally was the same as Tom Sound of, oh, yeah, this is, again, this is all legit. We don't, we have no idea. This is some bold. This was a legit, to an alleged site. So like we're, we're alleged twice. We're just reciting the gossip that's on the internet. We're not seeing any of this. So her new team is already on the offensive, crafting an narrative that Raquel is also a victim

and all of this because when she films with Santaval later today, she's been advised and is planning to break things off with him to be determined if that happens. The plan is to then go after him on screen recording the FaceTime session without Raquel's consent, which was uncovered by Ariana on Santaval's phone and led to the unraveling of events. They're planning to allege that Santaval took advantage of Raquel's consent, which was uncovered by Ariana on Santa Valls' phone and led to the unraveling of events.

They're planning to allege that Santa Valls took advantage of Raquel while she was at a vulnerable moment in her life, cladding her judgment, then recording intimate videos without her knowledge. She will then go on an apology to her, relaying that she's devastated by what has unfolded and for betraying one of her best friends. At present, Raquel is not taking responsibility. She's more concerned with correcting the record of finger-banging vid than taking accountability

for the hurt she's caused. And for the record, she didn't have these ideas, nor plans to distance from San Deval until her new PR relayed their strategy to try and save her image. Oh, don't like that. So Katie posted that and Katie's response is more than a various behavior.

Convenient narrative, if you will. Ah, ah. Literally definition of a convenient narrative. Oh, I don't like that at all. I don't like it at all. I don't like it at all. Oh, it's gross. Oh, let me see what else here.

Oh, God, a lot happened. I mean, there's real housewives of Potomac, so there's real housewives of Atlanta stuff. But we'll stick with this today. So I'm just saying, what did we miss from this? Did we miss anything? I don't I mean, we may have it's going to keep on unfolding. Um, I'm, I think now the ratings for the show are going to be out of control because I think we're all going to be watching for hints and signs. It's going to become like a detective show. It's going to like a white lotus, right?

Like we know we know where it ends, but we don't know how we got there. We're gonna be looking for that. But like at the end of the day, God, I just feel so bad for Ariana. I just feel so bad. People are saying like, man, she like froze her eggs for him and like, thankfully she didn't do embryos with him,

but like, yeah, I just, I mean, but the good news is, let's look, and we've all, we've had the talk. Now, I'm not gonna say if you said anything, but I know that I have said to you multiple times after being with those two, why is she with him? Like, she's smart enough to know that he's an idiot. Like, she's not a stupid person, she's an idiot. Like, she's not a stupid person.

She's smart. Is it because she just enjoys it? He's a dopey child. Like, what is it? I think that anybody who's hung out or watched him on the show, well, you don't have to hang out with them. I mean, watch him on the show.

Like, what the fuck is she doing with Tom, dude? Like, I don't know. You know, look, he, I believe, you know, he is charming. He is, he, you know, he is charming. He is lovely in person. Like, he really is. And he probably, he probably did care and do it on her a lot. And I think that somewhere along the way,

like something got fucked up with him. He did sort of have, like, I don't know. I don't want to say he had him in life crisis, because that, again, that gives like an excuse to all this. There's no excuse. But like I don't excuse this, but there's reasons, you know, there's reasons in the story. It's not like someone just wakes up evil, you know. I don't know. I don't know the relationship be very deeply off camera and I Know I see what I see on camera. I don't know. I can never, you know I actually thought they seemed good together.

I think that, like, it seemed like he really cared about or and he was taking care of her. And I think we all kind of felt that, which is why so many people are shocked. We were shocked and we're not shocked, like, oh my God. I can't believe all those rumors about Santa of all that, like that James and Jack said were actually true. We're not shocked that we're shocked because we really felt like they were a bedrock couple

of not only their show, but maybe even Bravo. And it's just wild. It's a wild thing that happened. And it happened to someone. You know, I hate to, this will sound mean, but like if it happened to Shina, I think it would be like, wow, but we will also be like, you know, I think there would be, it just feels like it would be so Shina for that to happen to Shina,

but I think the fact that it happened to Ariana, we'll believe in her. Because she more or less happened to Shina, you know, that it would almost be like you're used to it. You know what I mean? There's a sense like that Shina puts her, like, we'll look the other way because she's just wants to be in love so that when it doesn't work out,

you're like, well, it's classic Shina. But. Yeah, it'd be more of a classic Shina situation just because we've seen it so many times, you know? But it's not just Tom, it's her Keltu, you know? And everyone's saying like, why are we blame me the woman? She's free like a bird.

No, don't pull that shit in this situation. Normally I believe in that. Like I don't, don't pull that shit in this situation. Normally I believe in that. Like I don't blame the person who is the fair E or whatever. I think that the person who's married or in the relationship is the one at fault. Generally, I think this, but this comes beyond that. This is like an actual, this is betraying your friend who you're smiling to every day.

A girl who kept you on the show, you wouldn't be on the show without that girl inviting you to places and trying to include you all the time. You know what I mean? Like you actually owe her like in real life and you'll be trying somebody when you had nobody. Nobody would speak to you. Katie treated you like a dumb idiot and called you a slut constant. Like all of them are, I don't remember she called her a slut. I think she might have. I know she called her an idiot and I know people are very sensitive right now with my Katie, my Katie feeling. So I will take that back, but Katie was not nice to her.

Nobody was nice to her until Ariana kept it, like going and kept bringing her around. And that's what you do to somebody. And this like, oh, but I was hurt. And I started drinking too much, because she's obviously going for that too this year with her like in the no, uh, with her drinking too much in the diary room. When they cut to a confessional, she's taking shots and then taking, um, you know, uh,

chasers or whatever. And they just show her being wasted all of the time. She's clearly going to go for the like next season. The high ed a problem with alcohol because of James, like she's clearly gonna go for the next season. I had a problem with alcohol because of James. She's gonna clearly go through that and try and have a redemption season. I think you just might have overstepped, man. There is a weird, I do have a weird feeling. Despite everything that's happened, I do hope that no one that's like in

The midst of all of this mess like engages in self-harm like that actually I it is across my mind that that is that could be some that happens because there's so much scrutiny happening right now And I don't want that I do not want that for anyone But I think I do want a lot of remember. I think I think it's important to remember This is a TV show. We don't know these people. Yeah, okay. Saying this I'm saying this like a character about characters on a show I'm not saying this about real people even though I know that they are but we don't know how much of this is real We don't know how much of this has been going on for a long time how serious it was It's like one thing happens like this, and then people are like,

oh really, I saw them holding hands in. You know, fucking- I want- I want Costa Rica or whatever, right? And you're like, wait, so everybody did know how they kept us out of the press. Like, who's working at that family? Chris Cardassian,

is the head of the network now? Like, who's- Who's managing all of this? What I want is for every allegation that is true. I do want them to feel I I want them to feel shame for what they've done. I do, but I don't want self-harm also And going back to Katie. I am I am also intrigued to see how my feelings about Katie are going to evolve over the season because as I've said on the

Recaps I came into the season actually excited for a post-shorts Katie and, you know, the first few episodes, I was like, ooh, I think I'm like, I'm enjoying post-shorts Katie. And then I felt like, okay, Katie's being Katie, but I'm interested to see how all this mess like hits can inflect my reaction towards Katie because I'm not necessarily sure that I'm going to hate Katie. I think that I actually, I might just like wind up feeling a much more empathy for her now and sympathy for what she has had to put up with for so many years, you know, I mean, well, and that's what I've always said too. But why hasn't, but she already has put up with this for years.

Well, that's why I was saying I was excited for post-cady. Yeah, but that's why I was saying I was excited for like-sports. Yeah, but that's why I was saying I was excited for like a post-sports Katie because I feel like she will be released and we can actually, you know, she can just be happy for once, you know, because she's been in a miserable, miserable situation. And I think I'm just going to, I would not be surprised if that, if I'm going to feel that even more, because I think that I'm going to be influenced by this whole situation, you know, but I don't know, I'll be so interesting

to see how we recap it. I don't, you know, I don't know because my opinion generally on people flip flops over the course of seasons, obviously, I just go with my, whatever my gut instinct is at that moment in time, because I've come in like two or three seasons in a row ready to be like, oh my god, this is Katie's here. Like I've said it three seasons in a row, you know, and then by episode five or six I'm pissed off again. So I don't know, and not really cares, not about Katie to me.

This is like a whole different thing as nothing to do with Katie, except for the fact, I mean, except for the fact that they're both with best friends who are achieving dirt bags, you know what I mean? But I've said multiple times, like I may not like Katie all the time, but nobody deserves to be treated like that. I said she shouldn't marry him, and she should have left him a long time ago, you know, and I'm proud of her for getting rid of that fucking loser, you know. So anyway, just to end this, my favorite post to come out of this weekend Which might seem a little uncool to like love this post so much

But it's page six Ariane Maddox V son McDonald's and flips the bird after Tom Sandeval split because no one will stop following her around She went to McDonald's in a sweatshirt the cameras were following her and she turned around flipped them off And you see her mouth wide open going FAAAWF! Good for her. Yes, good for you, uh, area, Katie. You see? I'm brainwashing myself. Good for you, Ariana. Yeah, um, well, yeah, thanks everyone for listening to this bonus episode I know a lot of people wanted us to put up an emergency vanopromp rules podcasts over the weekend, but the truth was I know a lot of people wanted us to put up in the emergency Van Apart from the rules, podcasts over the weekend, but the truth was, like I said, on Friday,

it was, I really was not feeling well. So I just didn't really have this down, and I just needed a weekend to recuperate. I needed time to process too. Like I can't, you know how my rage is. If I, if you get my immediate reaction, it's burning houses down, I would have been like, you go to that restaurant

with toxic gas and you unleash it. You know, I don't think rationally enough to really even talk about it. So, you know, we needed a little, we needed a second, but we hope this made up for it. And obviously, we will continue on our Vanderbump rules recaps. This week will be a live show in Charlottes you. Go get your tickets for that at watch what crapens.com. That's going to be a crazy night. And we know a bunch of you are fired up. So we'll see you over there.

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