Watch What Crappens - HBO Max' Class Action Park

Episode Date: October 9, 2020

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Starting point is 00:00:52 So what do you think of that? I'm Ronnie and over there coming out of the dark shadows. It's the thin, beautifully haired, beautifully skinned, gorgeously toothed, Ben Mandelker! Oh, Ronnie, thank you so much. Wow, what a wonderful introduction. Ben's name today is Ben lost my teeth in the slide, Madelker, because we are recapping class action park from HBO Max.
Starting point is 00:01:21 And what was I gonna say? Where we kept the app? We thought we were on crap and so on demand. So we're on video. So if you guys want to watch, come on over to crap and so on demand, OK? Yeah. So we thought we were going to be recapping the season premiere of the real housewives of Orange County because the dates had said that was premiere.
Starting point is 00:01:40 But actually, it wasn't the premiere last night at all. It was just like a rerun of the first episode. So that's fine. We just, you know, we pivoted because we're able to do that, okay? And here we are. We're doing class actions to you today. And tomorrow, very special.
Starting point is 00:01:55 We are recapping the first episode of Emily and Paris, which, you know, really, I mean, what a well-written show, right? What a well-written and executed show. Really makes both Parisians and Americans a great. We'll have a lot to say about that, but for today, it's action park. Yeah, and I was nervous thinking it was Orange County, because y'all are mad about Orange County.
Starting point is 00:02:20 Oh my God, there's like petitions going around. Yeah. Watch Orange County, don't recap Orange County. And that's very good. We around to watch Orange County to recap Orange County and We are recapping Orange County, okay? We are recapping it because we love calling out idiots on our TV and this year We're full of them. We've especially got a big one in Miss Kelly Dodd who I mean what a fall from Grace sees what a disappointment Not a surprise but a disappointment nonetheless. Yeah, we're gonna go after them. I mean, like also because I want to watch. I'm curious to see what how this is gonna happen. At the end of the day we've always said this podcast is the two of us watching shit that we want to watch and like I'm not saying that I'm looking
Starting point is 00:02:59 forward to it necessarily. Norm I'm saying that I think if we get any enjoyment out of it, but I am interested in seeing it. We've always covered Orange County and they've always had awful problematic people on it. This is no different. So we're just going to go after them. So we relish, we relish in going after dumb people on TV. So we've been doing for a long time, and we look forward to it. So we're not telling you to watch it. Just watch it. I'm not going to tell you what to do. But yeah, we will be here with Orange County starting next week by hooker by crook dammit. And none of us think this is going to be an easy season. This season looks like hell. It's all corona and masks and it looks like it doesn't want to know any of that's happening. Okay. I know it's happening because I live in the real world. When I turn
Starting point is 00:03:44 on my TV, I do not want to see that. Okay. I don't want to see people of that's happening. I know it's happening because I live in the real world. When I turn on my TV, I do not want to see that. I don't want to see people looking for toilet paper. I think it's going to be a disaster of a season, also just because I think production had to be stopped and then started, et cetera. So it's like, I think just as a TV show, it'll be very herky jerky and weird and bad. And then in terms of like Kelly's politics specifically, just as a TV show, it'll be very herky jerky and weird and bad.
Starting point is 00:04:05 And then in terms of like Kelly's politics specifically, I think it's gonna be really very difficult to watch and to sit there and listen to her spout lots of bullshit. That's gonna be tough, but that's what we're here for. Okay, because we're gonna be like, you know what? Fuck you, okay? Don't wear that hat, you stupid face. Yeah, gotta wish that that was on the season. When idiot.
Starting point is 00:04:30 Yes, idiot. Okay, but we will get onto what an 88 Kelly Dot is. Our next next week show. Today, we are focused on Class Action Park. If you guys don't have HBO Max, we are not stumping for HBO Max, but I got it just because they had a couple shows
Starting point is 00:04:44 I wanted to watch. they had this and they had Raised by wolves, which you know. I love a good science fiction thriller So I got it for that and it's a little so it's not about now Nell the Jody Foster. Yeah, Jody Foster's now. It's not about her No, although I do wish it started Mel Carter because I love no Carter. Oh It's not about her. No, although I do wish it started Mel Carter because I love no Carter. Oh Yeah, I love no Carter. She can be in everything even though she's RIP, but Yeah, raised by wolves was really freaking weird loved it and then people have been asking us to we've been asking you guys What to recap for these weeks that we have blank days on Bravo and you guys are giving us a lot of ideas
Starting point is 00:05:23 And this is one of them so we didn't know that much about it. We just pressed play and here we are Well Ronnie Ronnie suggested it and I was like I'm down because I'm for I'm from the New York area I mean I'm from New York. I'm from Westchester County, New York and growing up They were during the afternoon cartoons you'd come home from school and then you'd watch your cartoons like Thundercats or whatever, and there would be incessant ads for Action Park. All the time, Action Park, Action Park, Action Park. And I never wanted to go because it looks really scary in the ads, because there's these like super tall slides,
Starting point is 00:06:01 we'll talk about that in the documentary, but they're like these really steep, and you see people just going down and I was like, ugh, and it just seemed like a place for the big kids and not for me and plus Yeah, I was scared of amusement parks in general So the scared of going upside down. So like I didn't even go to great adventure Which was the six flags in New Jersey till I was like a senior in high school Although I did go to a water slide part when I was really young I was I was so scared.
Starting point is 00:06:26 I didn't go upside down until I think I was about 24 out here in LA. I went to what's a called Six Flags up in Valencia. I went on the Batman ride and I was like, okay guys, I'm going to go upside down. They were like, bend this. I was okay with going on. If it didn't go upside down, I was fine. I went on Goliath, which is like 25 stories high and I had a huge drop.
Starting point is 00:06:49 And my friends were like, you're okay with Goliath, but not Batman the Ride, which is like a slow, simple ride, where it just twirls. And I was like, it's terrifying, but I did it. And now I'm actually a convert going upside down. But the point is this, I was scared to go to Action Park, but I grew up with it. And so this documentary I was scared to go to Action Park, but I grew up with it.
Starting point is 00:07:05 And so this documentary I was very fascinated by. Yeah, I grew up in El Paso, Texas, as I've told you, a million times. And we have a place here called Western Playland. And I mean, that is one rickety park. Okay, is rickety. It reminded me of this because it looks like someone's just like, you know what, I want a roller coaster made out of wood, okay?
Starting point is 00:07:27 And the theme is like a mouse running. It's called the mouse trap, I think. I think that's what sorry I'll pass up. It's been a long time and this thing you get on it and it is like wobbly. It's like it's creaking and I would say I don't't wanna go on that. I don't think that that's safe. And my mom's like, Ronnie, it's a business. They're not gonna just put you on something that's gonna break. It's a business. Like that was always her thing.
Starting point is 00:07:54 Like it's safe because it's a business, you know? And I don't know if anybody's died on that, would not be surprised, but I think it's still there, shockingly enough. I mean, probably someone has. I grew up, my closest amusement park was a place called Rye Playland, which again, I went to on a trip from summer camp
Starting point is 00:08:12 and it was so fun and they have this roller coaster called the Dragon Coaster. And it's just like at one point, like you're going through and there's like a, I think at one point you go down into a thing and there's like a tunnel with like little teeth on the top because you're going into the dragon's mouth. And there were always stories and I think they're true but I'm not sure about like someone who stood up at that point and then like got to capitated or they put their
Starting point is 00:08:34 hands, I don't know, some bullshit like that. But there was always like the spectra of death around Ripleyland but it didn't make me want to not go. I just always wanted to go to Ripleyland. Well, there you go. Well, today we're at Class Action Park in New Jersey. Now, we had to type very quickly in this and there's not a whole lot of delineate nation between the characters. I mean, it's just like a lot of Jersey guys. A lot of Jersey bros. Yeah, my notes are pretty offensive. I was like, the fat one, the bald one. I was like, beard, yeah, beard, pale, beard, are pretty offensive. I was like the fat one the bald one. I was like beard. Yeah, beard pale beard beard pale
Starting point is 00:09:07 Also, so this document was sort of weird because you kind of felt like I kind of felt like it was made by like a New York City Comedy hipster. Did you get that feeling like it was like a dude who's like? Oh, yeah, did you see Chris get hard get hard? I don't know how to say his name get hard get hard whatever, but it felt like he was a guy who's like, oh yeah, did you see Chris Gethard? Gethard, I don't know how to say his name, Gethard, Gethard, whatever. But it felt like he was a guy who like is a terrible, he's a good friend. He's a terrible, he's a good friend.
Starting point is 00:09:30 Oh, God of what pressure. I know, but I felt like it was directed by someone who lives in Brooklyn who like gets his cred by talking about what comedian he saw last night at like, you know, in Bushwick. And I kind of got that thing, because it felt like half the people, like half the people that were interviewed for this movie
Starting point is 00:09:46 were people who used to work at the park. And the other half are people who I felt like were suddenly trying to one-up each other with jokes throughout the documentary. Yeah, that was pretty weird, because there was a lot of employees, and then yeah, it was like people who went to the park. So, random 20-hour interviews
Starting point is 00:10:02 with just people who had been to the park. Yeah. And there is that energy in this documentary. There's a guy named Chris and he's like, what? I mean, they put it together with a stapler and you will like, then we will, I mean, it was fucking unbelievable. And he's like to pay a little ginger guy. Yeah, I totally think that is a comic and Bushwickwick talking. He is cuz he is like a big comedian and
Starting point is 00:10:30 Yeah, he is he had like had comedy specials and everything and he's like sorry Sorry, go and you feel like you're the fucking king of the world and you're like I'm gonna get fucking her But that's like what Jersey was all fucking about am I right you just gonna get like Fucking hurt and you fucking love it you fuck. I I right? You're just gonna get like fucking hurt. And you fucking love it. You fucking, I'm like, okay, all right, I get it. All right, I'll see you in the next one. Well, I was looking up this, I was looking up casks.
Starting point is 00:10:54 I thought, well, I have to know their names, which apparently we've agreed now that we don't care. But I was like a class action podcast and looked it up. And one of the headlines was from Vulture. And it was like like class action park and the culture of toxic, the culture of toxic, not memories, what do you call nostalgia? Toxic nostalgia. The culture of toxic nostalgia.
Starting point is 00:11:18 Oh, come on. Come on, man. What is toxic nostalgia? I guess it's this. Oh, wasn't it's this. Like, oh, wasn't it fun even though it killed 90 million people? Yeah, well, I did feel that way towards the end of the movie. I was kind of like,
Starting point is 00:11:33 Well, yeah, of course, they make you laugh for an hour and a half and then they're like, and then somewhat died horribly. You're like, No, I mean, I mean, that's that to me didn't, was not problematic to me,
Starting point is 00:11:41 but what was problematic to me, and I guess they were trying to drive home this point. I'm literally going to the end of the movie right now. But the very last shot is this woman at the grave of her child who was killed. While you hear, I think it is this guy, Chris, talking about like, yeah, but that's just the way it was. You just rode and you have fun.
Starting point is 00:11:58 And I'm like, I think the movie was making a point that like, yeah, but seriously, it should happen. But at the same time, I still think the movie was making a point that like yeah, but seriously it should happen but at the same time I still think the movie was more about like yeah, but this is what childhood was about and I'm like Sort of was left me on a I Did have I did feel like it was toxic nostalgia a little bit to be honest. I didn't really know what toxic nostalgia is I mean I just learned it right now. Yeah, I mean, I guess we're defining it ourselves But I don't know what that is really.
Starting point is 00:12:26 I just think it's like such a 2020 thing to say. Toxic nostalgia. That is some toxic nostalgia, Ronnie. Yeah. Like I can imagine, I can imagine a friend saying that to me. Like Ronnie, that is toxic nostalgia. I know, the Muppet Baby's Ronnie, that is toxic nostalgia.
Starting point is 00:12:43 I know, you know what? Fuck this toxic nostalgia. Let me talk about one I know, you know what? Fuck this toxic nostalgia. Let me talk about one of my favorite you know, hobbies when I was a child playing with giant balls of fire and burning down neighborhoods. That was a fun time, you know what I'm saying? Now what were you saying about toxic nostalgia? Volatile nostalgia.
Starting point is 00:12:58 Okay, so let's go on, let's start with this, Damry Cap, because we're gonna be real. Yeah, let's get take forever. Okay, so it's not really fair to ask like what actually was the park? Like it was a water slide park, but in truth, it was so much more than just a water slide park. Action park was the chaos slumber park there was very little oversight too much alcohol Whistle's blowing motors running. I'm like that sort of sounds like you know
Starting point is 00:13:32 Going to a strip mall and Jersey. I don't know Whistle screaming people laughing motors running It's like you were jumping into the lions dead Yeah, we see Jimmy Kimmel talking interviewing Johnny Nashville and talking about how Johnny Knoxville, no Johnny Knoxville. Knoxville. Yeah, it's like Nashville Johnny. Nashville. You ever heard of him? He's the cousin He's really clean up his image. He went from Knoxville to Nashville. That's I know He's literally has wagons of
Starting point is 00:14:05 bachelor's at writing over his body going, I'm getting married. That's what Nashville is these days. It was kind of odd that they had a Johnny Knoxville thread in this right because I came back to him a couple of times or was it just because he was in this interview. I think it was
Starting point is 00:14:21 just I think it was just this interview that he and Kimmel had where there were laughing about how action park you always got bruised and the really should be class action park. Yeah, it's title stolen and stolen. So then the news headlines, fun park, but there's some dead people. Okay, action park injuries up in 86 and then a guy's like, yeah, but I mean, who wants to sit on a fucking Ferris wheel? Am I right? Did you get the impression while watching this that like every single person who's ever appeared on the real housewives of New Jersey has spent a significant amount of
Starting point is 00:14:55 time at action park? Like if you tell me that Joe Gorgah did not spend like both 40% of his summer at action park. 100% both both shows. Judice and Gorgah both. Yeah, and I, I get one point. So when you broke your fucking head, so what, okay, it was, it's fucking what, it's like, what do you think it's gonna have to have to have?
Starting point is 00:15:13 Yeah, don't be a fucking pussy. Don't be a fucking pussy. Jump off, take the tarzians away. Okay, don't be a fucking pussy. Yeah. Um, I swear at one point, I thought I saw Kathy Wikele in the footage. I was like, that's Kathy.
Starting point is 00:15:24 I'm telling you right now that that's Kathy. I know I kept looking at the people trying to see if I could place anyone in Jersey. So it's like, fun, fun. This is the craziest place with no rules ever. And then it cussed this old lady named Esther going, it's a place where death was tolerated. Where death was put on the whole number situation.
Starting point is 00:15:43 I was like, well, geez, wait a bring it down lady. Well, later we find it. Why is she so upset? But yeah, this movie is like, fun, fun, fun. And death, the death was bad guys. I was about to have the death was, and fun, fun, fun. I was actually surprised that the death wasn't higher.
Starting point is 00:15:59 When we got the final tally at the end, I actually was expecting like a solid 10 or 15 more deaths. But, I mean, thank God, not. So anyway, Class Action Park! Crembs were committed. So… That's happened. The story hasn't been told truthfully, and that was the worst thing after all. It was a waterslide park without bomb-dinis, horrifying! It's at least a band of bomb-dina-rating. So guys, in order to understand this place, we need to go back to New York in the 1970s.
Starting point is 00:16:32 There was Wall Street, everything was changing, bankers broke us, we're transforming into the masters of the universe. And then we have a lady who like appears now and then like at the end of the movie, and she's like, you know, a ton of money started entering the industry, which makes it perfect for Jean-Jean-Mol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-Hol-H Mobile, mobile, yeah, yeah Rob Fremble a deck made named him. He's like his name is Jean It's like yeah, it's like the batteries just died his name is supposed to be like Jean Mulholl and he's like his name is So yeah, Jean Bolville and we see his His high school picture in the yearbook, and it says, Gene, Chip, Moulville. But they never called him Chip the whole time. I was like, well, I guess that nickname didn't take. It's like my friend, DeSime,
Starting point is 00:17:34 in high school, people called him Tex for some reason, and he's like, really tried to make Tex happen after high school, and we just like, will not let it happen. He tried so hard in college, he's like, you know, he's like, you can call me Tex, and we're like, no, yeah, I have a friend who changed her name and adulthood. And we're like, no, you're not, you're not going to go by that name. Sorry, we're not going to say that. And then she tried to put like the two dots over an E in her name, you know, how you
Starting point is 00:17:55 have to hold the E longer on the keypad to get the two dots. And then she could never find her in search. Like if you were just trying to find her fast, because she had, I was like, we're not doing that. Okay. You need to change your name back. I know a girl who, in high school, her last name is Bonoitte. She's great, by the way, lovely girl. But her last name is Bonoitte, and then, like, after, like, I think in college, I believe she started going by Benoit. Yeah, it's like a Judeaist, JudeaJ.
Starting point is 00:18:18 Like, nope, sorry. Like, even Teresa has gone back to Judeaist because, like, no one's, no one's going to play that game with you. So Jean Chip Moldell and then we see his class picture and he's like, and his, his quote under it is a little nonsense now and then it's relished by the best of bad. By the way, this guy is played by a male Dorenda. Like we hear him on, we only really hear him on the phone, but he's like, you want to, you want to know what I can do?
Starting point is 00:18:45 Where are you guys calling him from? Like, I should actually would like to say that while I was watching this movie last night, there was an actual Durinda outside my apartment who was like, it was sad. She was like, you know, something was going on with her. She was just like drunk and shouting. And literally the entire time I was watching this movie
Starting point is 00:19:05 I kept on there was this boy sat side and I went doing Are you bad? Shut up! Are you all bitches? You are a bitch, you're a shit! I was like, oh my gosh, Dorenda. Yeah, that's kind of how West Hollywood is now too at night. It's just a bunch of people walking around screaming at the air and I'm like, what's a point of drugs if you're just screaming at somebody? Like, I like the drugs that make you happy and like a point of drugs if you're just screaming at somebody. I like the drugs that make you happy and like want to touch things. If I'm just telling somebody off I'm just basically at work. What the fuck do I need a drug for that?
Starting point is 00:19:34 So anyway, well we find out that Jean Chipmoul, he started a firm called Mayflower Securities and the whole thing was like it's very wolf and Wall Street. It was into penny stocks, which were basically like scams in a sense and like whenever there'd be a sale he was very ostentatious. His whole thing is he's very had a big show and if there was a sale they would like blast the bugle and champagne would flow. You know, there was just like a shade away from having like a giant bill hanging in their office that they would clank every time they close the deal on something Yeah, I was very wolf of Wall Street
Starting point is 00:20:07 Which they have the guy in there from wolf of Wall Street. Did you see that with Leo de Caprio? I did I did I only call him Leonardo though, okay, that's not friends with him. No, he's Leo He's Leo It's like Nick Cage But I know it would bother him if I ever saw him like if he was in like the diner used to work at I would just walk up to him and be like hey Leo and I just know he'd be like how dare you like he'd be seething underneath it like when people call me Ron I'm like go fuck yourself. So his quote, did I say his class quote?
Starting point is 00:20:38 a little nonsense now and then is relished by the best of men. What was your quote in your year book? Because I know you had one. Okay, so in my senior year, my senior high school, I actually don't remember my quote, but I can tell you this much. I'm glad you brought this up cause I was just talking about this last week. So I went to a school that went through ninth grade.
Starting point is 00:21:00 It was like a private school, went through ninth grade, and after that I went off to public school. And so I was sort of a weird timing. I started public school in 10th grade in sophomore year But in ninth grade in my school that was considered like senior year of my private school and so in my in my yearbook in At the private school my quote originally Was going to be like the the main chorus of hero by my Mary.
Starting point is 00:21:27 It's originally going to be, and then a hero comes along with a strength of Farad, you know, like all that. Like I literally had that as my quote. And then like at the last minute, I was like, it's two guys, two guys, I'll know. And so, you think someone, someone, I mean, like I hate internalized homophobia and everything, but yeah, yeah, that was like right So then here's what here is my lateral move someone gave me a copy of Jonathan Livingston's Eagle
Starting point is 00:21:53 Do you know what that is? Yes, like I I walk but I don't see the or I don't see you But I see your footsteps or some shit. Yeah, so I put some cheesy ass line from Jonathan Livingston's Eagle That was I don't know like I'm always a friend that will carry you along It's a bullshit like that. I walk on the beach with invisible people or whatever Yeah, so I went from like Mariah Carey here out to this like pseudo Christian Even though I'm Jewish So yeah, so that is the story of my Wow, I said wait, you know what's I know wait I'm not a joke. I'm not a joke. I'm not a joke. I'm not a joke. I'm not a joke. I'm not a joke.
Starting point is 00:22:26 I'm not a joke. I'm not a joke. I'm not a joke. I'm not a joke. I'm not a joke. I'm not a joke. I'm not a joke. I'm not a joke.
Starting point is 00:22:34 I'm not a joke. I'm not a joke. I'm not a joke. I'm not a joke. I'm not a joke. I'm not a joke. I'm not a joke. I'm not a joke.
Starting point is 00:22:42 I'm not a joke. I'm not a joke. I'm not a joke. I'm not a joke. I'm not Yeah. And I was so eager to be friends with the popular people. That for all my good friends, the note that I wrote for them was, we have so many memories. I know that we will treasure them forever, so I don't need to write them here. And then for everyone who I was not really friends with, but we really close, remember that time we shared a pencil It was like the most social climbing thing and it's like so all my good friend your cloud chasing your your book It's like I was over a bed. Okay, you can stop trying to get into the club
Starting point is 00:23:14 I literally was and like so the people who I actually was like closest friends with I just was shit like I'm sure we'll always remember these things and now those are the things that you forget and those are the things that are the most important So there you go. Look at him. God, wow, I knew I would get an answer out of you. We did. Oh gosh. Okay, so Penny Stocks.
Starting point is 00:23:34 So he's just basically this, you know, he's ripping people off basically this moldo moldo guy selling people a bunch of crappy stops, stocks, enter Robert Brennan. He's a fraudster, a penny stock king, and a good friend of Jean. So this guy would just feed Jean all this money because he was a gazillionaire. Yeah. And this is by the way, we are told this by a man in a top hat because why not have a man in the top hat way in on this? You know, I had a problem with the man in the top hat. You can't put a guy dressed like he's in a top hat because why not have a man on the top hat way in on this. You know, I had a problem with the man on the top hat. You can't put a guy dressed like he's in a suit.
Starting point is 00:24:07 Was he going for circus? He was going for circus, right? Because then he was wearing like a shiny jacket with like, paisleys, like a shiny red jacket, tux jacket. He was definitely like, I think his, his, his Kyram said that he was like archivist or something like that. But he was very much like, circusy weighing in on this thing. And on top of that, like, he weighs he was like archivist or something like that, but he was very much like circusy weighing in on this thing.
Starting point is 00:24:27 And on top of that, like, he weighs in now and then we don't seem until like the end of the movie. I'm like, how do you have a guy on a top hat? And you don't come back to him at all until the end of the movie. I think they just got notes. You know, I think he was one of those characters that they were like, nobody wants to see
Starting point is 00:24:39 the guy on the top hat. Like, we got our audience ratings back. Everybody hates him. He looked like he was from a 1990s Grunge video. A Grunge video where like, oh look, it's candle box and they're going to a fun house. There's the crazy guy who runs the fun house and the candle house candle box video. It was creepy. It was like man in a white van kind of top hat because it wasn't a new nice top hat. was like oh it was like steampunk you know it was like old and tattery and I don't know I couldn't so this guy got in trouble and suspended by the FCC because they were
Starting point is 00:25:12 selling work the FCC yeah the what the FCC no I don't know it's not even important FCC yes CC I don't know whoever wrote this was, I can't understand what they said, because S-E-C-F-C, what is F-C-C? That's like the federal committee, that's like TV stuff, like sensors and stuff. It will suck. Communication is bad. They were taking down fans for work. That's a good, strange commission.
Starting point is 00:25:37 And let's see, so he's like, well, I have all this money and I'm kicked off of Wall Street, so what should I do? I'm gonna buy two ski resorts in Vernon, New Jersey. Yeah, and so we start seeing Vernon, New Jersey, and like this one guy, his name is Jim, and he's like, the head of Park Security at the time, and he's like, you would never think that this was New Jersey, okay?
Starting point is 00:25:58 It was pretty, the betrise, no one was, no one was driving on the wrong side of the street because they were drunk. I don't know. That's not a Jersey thing, but that's the best I could think of. I wrote his name down as Weird Bald Sickly Guy. So just so you guys know who I mean in the future. So then we see shots of Playboy Bunnies giving out drinks and Hugh Heffner opened a place
Starting point is 00:26:23 out there and it was kind of far from everything but they wanted to make this new vacation town, right? And the Playboy Club took things to a new level. Yeah, because Atlantic City had just allowed gambling so it felt like this was going to become a like they thought this is going to be the new Orlando, like the new destination, right? And so, so Hugh Haffner opened on spec this Playboy Club and then we meet this woman named Jeff. Just to tell the lady who you are. And she's just sitting at a table with a large coffee cup in front of her and she was from the, she was a Vernon newspaper editor, okay? And then we're weak.
Starting point is 00:27:03 There was someone, some celebrity coming to Vernon, those people like Tony Bennett or Wayne Newton or Angleburg Humpatink, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, the celebrities love to come here. It's like you're better Nana who still changed smokes inside, you know? Jesse Paladini was the hero of this, I thought. I really liked it.. I really was.
Starting point is 00:27:25 Sure really was. So then was Poise to become the next Orlando, you know, except it was only warm for a few months of the year. But it was like the next Orlando more or less. Yeah, so this mole, mole, mole, mole guy decided to make an amusement park because you could only ski part of the year. So he wanted to make an amusement park where it had the same idea as skiing where when you
Starting point is 00:27:48 go skiing you can choose the hill you go on, you can choose how safe it is, how the level of difficulty and all this. So he wanted to do that with an amusement park like a choose your own safety level amusement park, which when you hear it doesn't sound too terrible, but isn't that kind of every amusement park like they have wuss, you know have like the wussier rides and then they have stronger rides, but I don't know. I guess he just sold it in a way that sounded good. I bought it.
Starting point is 00:28:13 Yeah, yeah, exactly. And so he basically he turned to his to Bob Brennan, his old buddy from Mayflower for funds and Bob of course like you know from the money, Bob was like the money pipeline and Gene wanted to he wanted to be with Orlando Cuz it was gonna be the next little land though, you know and An action park they say that action park was actually wound the first water parks in the world Which I did not know Cuz I haven't thought too much about the history of water parks, but But basically the whole idea was to I think this was his son who was saying it because Jean Mahol will son
Starting point is 00:28:46 I got they found this interview with him for my 2013 and he was like Build it higher make it faster do something that no one seemed before that's what my father was all about Yeah, that's what my dad was and this guy to the whole movie is like yeah, my dad was an icon Ah, it's like you're cringing the whole time. It's like, guys, some people died, you know? People still like cigarettes. What are you gonna do about it, man? This guy was basically the original Joe Exotic,
Starting point is 00:29:14 by the way, let's also mention that, because this is a very good companion piece to Tiger King, which is like these homemade like amusement parks or experiences that are kind of like unlicensed and unregulated and you think yourself, people actually went to that and isn't that so dangerous and how do they pull this off? Yeah, and then we see some of the stuff while the sun tells us they would design them on the fly, right? Some ideas worked out and we see some water slides up. It's not so much. We see this wind machine thing. Now we've seen this on house wise where you go and you fly,
Starting point is 00:29:52 like they put you in this wind tunnel thing and they turn it all the way up and you fly around this tube and you're chained to a bunch of things in case you fall. You know, we've seen the same version of this on TV, but this is not a safe version, okay? They put like a jet propulsion thing on the ground and they just put people right above it and just fly them up in the air Like just nothing. There's nothing to catch these people They just like fly them all the way up in the air. Wow. Yeah, it is a disaster. It's time for commercial It's time for a crap and celebrity beef You never know if you're just gonna end up on TMZ or trending on Twitter or in court I'm Matt Bellasife and I'm Sydney battle and we're the hosts of Wonder E's new podcast
Starting point is 00:30:38 Disantel each episode explores a different iconic celebrity feud from from the buildup, why it happened, and the repercussions. What does our obsession with these feud say about us? We're starting off with a pretty messy love triangle between Selena Gomez and Justin and Haley Bieber, a seemingly innocent TikTok of Selena talking about her laminated eyebrows. It snowballed into a full-blown alleged feud. But it doesn't seem like fans are letting up any time soon. Despite both Selena and the Bieber's making public statements denying any bad blood.
Starting point is 00:31:12 How much of this is teen jealousy and lovers quarreling, and how much of it is a carefully crafted narrative designed to sell albums? Follow this and tell wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen ad-free on the Amazon music or wonder ya. Let's come here, show. So then we get a bunch of people, some of these comedians who are like, talked about going to Akshay Park as a kid,
Starting point is 00:31:33 and there's like this one guy who talks about how you all piled into a car and you get so jacked up to go. And in this one woman, she says how like, what would happen is that the older teenagers would take you, and that's what also made it dangerous is because then they would sort of like drag you along to the rides that were suitable for 17 to 18 year olds but you were like 12. So that was like implicitly dangerous.
Starting point is 00:31:51 And then we get Chris, the comedian, he's sitting there in the corner of his couch and he has this whole like monologue about like, my mom didn't want me to go. But then a guy down the street, like his family, they're like, we're gonna go. And you know, when you're the product of like divorce, divorce parents, you know, there's nothing they can do. They just gotta, they just gotta say, fuck, my kids gotta go to action park. So I gotta go to action park. And my mom would just say, please, just be smart. That's what she would say. I was like, fuck you mom and I went off. Yeah, wasn't it that the kids down the street, they were products of a divorced family. So his parents felt bad and just said yes to whatever they wanted.
Starting point is 00:32:35 They were like, oh, we don't want those kids to be lonely. So just go ahead, make that you could do that. That was what it was. I didn't tell the others in the lot. I assume that he meant that he was the prior to divorce. And so therefore, he was able to get away. Because I don't understand why the parents were like, no, but then once another family did, it was like, well, now you can go. No, the other family, I think, got divorced. And so they felt bad because those kids had to spend time
Starting point is 00:32:58 with their dad. And they were like, oh, well, as you should go be nice to those kids. And either way, either way, the story doesn't, you know? Yeah, I guess you should go be nice to those kids and either way the story doesn't you know, yeah, I question that like well I would like to have my children alive and un injured, but those other children might be lonely. Okay kids good action park Yeah, have a heart so There are three main sections of this park. There's Alpine Center water world. Oh, there's Alpine Center, Waterworld, oh, there's Alpine Center, Waterworld, and Motorworld. Okay.
Starting point is 00:33:26 And Motorworld is dedicated to exhaust spewing engines and go-cats. And right in the middle of this park is the highway. Yeah. The highway. The highway. It's like a river runs through it. It's like a highway runs through it.
Starting point is 00:33:40 Like 94 runs through it. So then the first ride that we encounter and that we discuss is this thing called the Cannonball Loop. And this is like one of I think the most famous like disastrous rides that they have. Like before this documentary came out, there was actually like I think a Buzzfeed article or there's something on one of the main sites that was like, hey, look at Action Park. They seriously had these things at Action Park. And this was like the main thing in that article was this slide, it's a slide,
Starting point is 00:34:10 and then there's a loop deloop at the end of it. And it's all in good shape. And it goes way deep. It's like off the top of some cliff or some shit. And it's like you're falling all the way to the ground, and then that gives you the speed to go through the loop, right? And this guy's like, yeah, what they did was they threw test dummies in it right and these test dummies will come out missing heads they got missing arms and shit so then we changed the angle
Starting point is 00:34:33 we changed the height and then the next step it's like all right let's get some humans in there right we got teenager employees so you know there's uncle gene standing there with hundred dollar bills just handed them out for anyone with the nuts to go through there And so then this guy restart talking this guy he has this beard He's like a he's like like a bear daddy, but he's straight and he's like He's like yeah, so you know you go in there and like all you see is blackness and there's like water It keeps you moving on you're thinking like it's way too steep, but it's also a hundred dollars You know so you just go down and then you're like, this is too steep, it's too fast, and almost on your
Starting point is 00:35:09 feet start going up, and then you land, and then there's a catch pond, it's too short, and my nuts fucking hurt, you know? Yeah. And the first people come out, the first people come out, they got bloody mouths, so they add padding. Then the people come out with lacerations, and they're like, how are people getting cuts from the slide, right? Well, they take it apart and they realize his teeth stuck in the slide from kids that got the teeth knocked out while they was in the slide.
Starting point is 00:35:33 So they're sliding over the teeth and the teeth are scraping them. Which is really. This really is very. Really one of the most charming, yelp reviews of all time. Had a great time time but I got scraped by someone else's teeth that were lodged in the slide yeah so after the kids came out to woozy to stand Brit gene brought in a Navy position to measure the size effects and you
Starting point is 00:36:00 know they had to they had to make little rules. Like, okay, you too big. Okay, you, you too small. Okay, I was like, what are the three bears like make all the rules for this park? That's it, that's all they did. Joe, did you guys was the Navy physician? They're like, hey, are you a Navy physician? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:18 I'm like, okay, what do you think about the slide? It's pretty good. Think it's about, we're getting people to hurt. Yeah, you know what, too big. It's too big, it's too small. but everyone else can go. It's fine. Yeah, they had a trap door in the top where they could, you know, extricate anybody that got stuck in there. Yeah. Um, so then let's see, um, I think it hurt on, oh, Chris is like, yeah, as you entered the park, you just see this thing. And now I did get
Starting point is 00:36:40 hurt on cannonball falls. All right, it looks normal, but, you know, then you come around this corner and there's this black tunnel and then you're going faster and then you hear, no, no, no, no, no, no, you're wise, everybody yell it and then you see a piece of light and you just get shot out midair.
Starting point is 00:36:56 Yeah, because this is another ride where it's like a normal slide but the thing is the slide ends like way above this like icy cold pool. And so people are not expecting it. And then just like they jump, they get thrown out and then they hit the water and they are disoriented. And I'm assuming chances are like you have like 15 seconds
Starting point is 00:37:17 together way, but maybe even five seconds before the next other one. They're falling on each other's head. They're falling your head. Yeah. So they tell us that the guys designing these rides, they were on the fringes of the ride design world.
Starting point is 00:37:31 Like six flags wouldn't have them. Disney wanted nothing to do with them. So they would literally track jean down at these conventions. I'll coked up out of their head and he would take a man. And he's like, yeah, my dad would give him a shot. You know, that's how my dad was.
Starting point is 00:37:47 He was nice. You want to ride, you want to ride, you want to ride. I mean, this really is like Tiger King, right? Isn't that what Joe Exotic would do? He would go to like bus stops and find people who were like, like, hi on math and be like, I'll clean you up. And he like had them like take care of Tigers.
Starting point is 00:38:01 I mean, that's the solution what this is. I was waiting for the like garbage can meet that was thrown away at Walmart or whatever. Well, we got close to that. We got close to that with those hamburger buns. I mean, hot buns. Yeah, we did. So they talk about their design process
Starting point is 00:38:15 and they're like, yeah, I mean, he would make a big a bad, a more extreme. I mean, that loop came together from a loop he literally wrote on the cocktail map, then he hired some local welders. If, if people made amusement park rides out of all the things that I drew on Appkins as a child, there would be a lot more deaths in this world. That's for sure.
Starting point is 00:38:37 So then, let's see, the man on the ball, oh God. Okay. So they had a ride called the man on the ball, which is basically a big ball, a big metal ball that you get the ball, which is basically a big ball, a big metal ball that you get inside. And then a guy- That's inside another ball. It's inside another ball. It's a ball within a ball.
Starting point is 00:38:51 Because the inner ball is on inner, I said it was on ball bearings. I assume it's, I don't know, I guess it allows you to like rotate around inside the original ball or something. Yes. And they got a guy to build the track for it and he just got PVC pipe and built the track down a mountain. Yeah, that's great. That's exactly, you know, just some nice plastic. Just and the idea is the you send the ball down the down the down this track of PVC piping. And you're supposed to be in the ball and you're I guess getting tossed around in all these different directions.
Starting point is 00:39:22 guys getting tossed around in all these different directions. And so the first time that they actually sent a person down, by the way, there's a guy named Bill Bennian who's the park president and he goes, turned out there were some limitations to it. You think? Because the first time they decided to test it with like a human, it was like a really hot day. So all the PVC pipe expanded. And so they sent the ball down and the track broke
Starting point is 00:39:47 so the ball went off the track and just went tumbling down the hill and across the highway. Yeah, and across the highway and into a swamp across the way. My God. Another prototype was inspired by zero gravity airplanes, all right? The vision was to take flight. So, um, which one was this? You see the kit? Oh, this is the one that's like a cement. Is this the one that's like a cement?
Starting point is 00:40:15 Um, it was like a, it wasn't the cement one, but it was like a, I think this was the one that was like a slip and slide. It's, uh, no, that was the super smooth. No, this one. Yeah, I think you had some one that was like a slip and slide. It's, oh no, that was the super smooth. No, this one, yeah, I think you had some kind of a mat. And so you would go down this slide with the mat, and it was really steep. So at parts of it, you would go, oh yeah, it was like you'd fly off of it a little, and then you'd land on the lower parts of the track.
Starting point is 00:40:38 Yeah, it was like a cascading thing, exactly. But then these kids would, of know, of course kids are kids, so they would like run really far back and then run and jump. So they were going so fast, they talked about when kid went so fast, and they should make a little cartoon of a kid like flipping in the air, doing pirouettes and all of this stuff. And he would weigh off the landing pad. I mean, he had to be backboarded off, all right.
Starting point is 00:41:04 I mean, he went off to live a normal life, but still that day he was he was hurting That's like I feel like every story ended with well back I had to be backboarded out of the park, you know, yeah, so then there was super the super speed slides Which is this is the thing that was in the commercials that always scared me so these really these Slides that were essentially vertical and they had to have canopies on the front part because you had to be lowered in an angle and in case You fell forward by accident the canopy would like like buff it you back onto the slide and you basically just have like a free fall and then you're sort of like Then you're sort of cop by the slide and slide the rest of the way and I used to watch that on the commercials and be like How like how was how do you, what is, how,
Starting point is 00:41:45 you're just falling like out, as a kid, I was like, that looks terrifying. I was like, what, how was, I didn't understand how that was a slide. Like, couldn't, like, to me a slide was like this, you know, this angular thing. And I just saw a straight down thing and I was like, how is that a water slide?
Starting point is 00:41:58 Yeah, pretty much, it's not, it's not, it never showed up in. So they have a news guy there. And I like got news guys in Jersey I just don't I like to think that all the guys in Jersey do the news like this like hey this fucking idiot's about to do this Fucking slide go on stupid go on do it stupid. Yeah, so these guys go up and try it and then they come back down He's like how you feel dummy and he's like getting kind of juicy down there. He's like yeah my biggest bucket all right Yeah, those were actually that was actually Allison Chains. It was the band members from Allison Chains.
Starting point is 00:42:30 And it was actually MTV's head banger ball, head banger's ball. And the host looked like Jonathan Silverman to me, but I can't. He did look like Jonathan Silverman. Either way, Alice, I was like, it's hilarious. God, I miss so much. I was just like oh this is local Jersey Well, you know it's a local means guy. It's MTV. I would just love it That was Jersey news like hey stupid so there was a fire in front of this grocery store stupid It was it was made by someone stupid. You know who tried to put it out someone even Dharma because it's still going This is Teresa. Judy's talking about I'm here at Action Park and Joe was about to go down the slide You're doing great job, there we go, he's going down his tumbling
Starting point is 00:43:14 Okay, his arm is behind his ankle Okay, you're good, Joe, you're good, Joe Oh God, so then let's see, they're talking about how you don't get, you just don't get up and walk away from that slide. Like everybody got stuff up there, but, but, yeah. Or they want to keep themselves or whatever. Yeah, and on top of everything else,
Starting point is 00:43:35 the entire park was paved in like highway grade asphalt. So if you didn't have flip flops, your feet would just be like burned. They called it chop meat feet. On top of that, it was jagged, so it would just also be like, they'd just be getting cut up. I don't understand anyone who would walk around barefoot at an amusement park anyway. I just imagine this, especially one in Jersey, especially action park.
Starting point is 00:43:57 I just imagine how many times you think Joe Duda is just throwing a bottle down onto the ground, and I'm like, yeah, who cares? Someone else can clean it up. Someone's gonna clean it up. Yeah, someone's gonna clean it up. So what, so what? So then we go to the Aqua Scoot. Now this one was a slide that was made out of warehouse rollers, you know, like where you roll packages down and stuff.
Starting point is 00:44:14 And you go down on a sled. And Chris was like, I elected that one, and I was like, no fucking way, Harry, no fucking way. No fucking way. And so basically this one looks relatively benon. You go down on a little sled and at the bottom you get spat out over a pool and it's sort of fun because you'd skim across the surface of the pool. But if you didn't sit back on the ride, which I'm assuming not many people did, because
Starting point is 00:44:42 apparently no one paid attention to any rules and regulations at this park. If you didn't sit back, you would just face plan, you would like reach the bottom and just face plan right into water. And if you hung around there too long, you'd probably get stung because there was a hive of bees inside the slide. So then we go to the tarzan swing.
Starting point is 00:45:01 And this was funny because everybody could see you go in so when you're going Yeah, when you're going online is up this big huge cliff mountain then and so to get up there Everybody's watching the people who are going on the tarzan swing and they would just abuse each other and Abuse the people that were going and being like pussy or pussy bro come on And people couldn't hold their own weight because you actually have to swing on this swing, who has upper body strength? Unless you're really working at it. Yeah, my friend Sarah, she once told me a story
Starting point is 00:45:33 about how she went to action park with her family and her mom did the tarz hand swing. And basically, if you do it incorrectly, you hold onto the swing. And if you also have to like have your body correctly because you have to have your legs up and if your legs aren't up, then what happens is you take the swing
Starting point is 00:45:50 and you just like, cream down into the water. Yeah. Because what will happen is your legs will catch and you'll just screen and so her mom is just like belly flopped into the water from the tarzan swing. And my friends there are told me
Starting point is 00:46:02 that story like 20 years ago and it still makes me laugh. And so I texted her immediately last night. I was like, was your mom on the tarzan swing. And my friends there, I told me that story like 20 years ago. And it still makes me laugh. And so I texted her immediately last night. I was like, was your mom on the tarzan swing? She was like, yes. I was like, oh, I'm watching it that right now. And I can also say as someone, I've never been to action park,
Starting point is 00:46:13 but one time in college, I did do a rope swing. Have you ever done a rope swing before? Like a, like a, into a river? Yeah. It was one of the most terrifying things I have. That's one of those things where I'm like, I can't believe I'm alive. So you have to climb up this tree. There's like a little ladder in the tree and your feet are wet. You're on this giant trees. This is over the Connecticut River. And I'm like,
Starting point is 00:46:31 climbing up the tree and I'm like shaking because it's like from down below, it doesn't look that high, but when you're up that on that tree, it's so high. And then you have to like, they bring the rope over to you. So you hold it. And then it's like, like you said, it's like, you have to hold on to that thing. Because if you let go, you're just falling. So like, so then I it and then it's like like you said it's like you have to hold on to that thing because if you let go you're just falling So then I jump off and it was all so fast like all of a sudden you're just like careening downwards and I did the thing that I just talked about which is that I didn't curl up my legs because the whole thing is just To curl up your legs you swing down and you swing back up again and then you let go and you drop in the water
Starting point is 00:47:01 But I just took that rope and I was like oh I just crashed in the water. But I just took that rope and I was like, oh, I just made crashes in the water. Yeah, and they're talking to me. They tell you how to do it, like you have to have your hands crossed over your chest and then you have to put your legs a certain way. And people wouldn't do it, right? Because how was anybody drinking that?
Starting point is 00:47:17 Like so much adrenaline. So they were coming off and they were dislocating their shoulders and shit and they were being like dragged out of there with no, you know, their arm like a drooping down. Like, and then the girls, the bikini tops would go off and saw the guys with a plot and be like, yeah, you're doing it.
Starting point is 00:47:34 Which like guys would take a dip and balls out. Neat. Like it's literally like the real house I saw in New Jersey, like any scene in that show. Like I just imagine all the guys there, you know, like Richie Wikele, Joe Gorgah, Joe Judice, Joe, all the Joes, they were all there. They were all there watching this.
Starting point is 00:47:51 So then they're like, yeah, you know, it was like a strange social experiment. A bunch of wildlife teenagers out the whole, alcohol, jacked up rides, you know? Like the second you turn 14, you get your work in papers and you go to action proc Yeah, and so basically the whole park was run by kids and like you know Like a third of the park was run by 16 year olds
Starting point is 00:48:20 If you're that lucky it like apparently a lot of 14 year olds worked once the rides which was totally illegal against labor laws, but they just were like So wasn't and it was basically like that crazy island In Pinocchio, right? Like you just were waiting for everyone to grow donkey ears. So it's like, yeah, you got these kids. It became a, Hey, he became a writer passage, right? And you know, a new kid would come to us and new recruit. And we put them through the drowning. Okay. So the drowning is you take these kids,
Starting point is 00:48:45 these 14-year-olds, and you start spinning them around, then you strap them to a backboard, which is what they would take people out to the hospital on. And then they would just throw them in the water and let them figure out a way to get out of there. You know, remember that CBS show, Kid Nation? This is what Kid Nation would have turned into if it were still on the air.
Starting point is 00:49:05 It just would have been this action park. Kid Nation, oh my God. And he's remembered that people had a fit about that so. They did, but I actually loved the idea of it. So then, I then, like all the bread was stale. So then it was like stale and out of date. And so they would put like the buns in like a giant colander and steamed them
Starting point is 00:49:22 until they became moist again. And they're like, it's amazing that no one even died. I was like, I know totally, as I've like totally tried that with my stealth. I'm like, I totally do that. It works. And then we meet Faith. It's really goody-to-shoes blonde lady who was a lifeguard there. And she's like, now I never did it, but a lot of people were having sex.
Starting point is 00:49:43 Now I never did it, but a lot of bad things were going. No, I never did it, but a lot of bad things were going on. I was like, okay, listen here, Korky. Because you're reminded of Korky from Murphy Brown. Totally. Like, listen, don't pretend you're so innocent. You've had your fun in the shack. Because there was a shed, and people would go up there to either smoke weed or have sex, but it was always like
Starting point is 00:50:01 a thousand degrees in there and smelled like balls. And then Chris, of course, the comedians like, you know, there are people who are like, they're like, that was my first time fingering someone or getting fingered. You know, what a fucking place that was. Huh? I'm a comedian. Yeah. So they talk about all the parties and all the kids just being wasted all the time and
Starting point is 00:50:23 have Jean just hated rules of any kinds. But you know what? He's Gary's like, yeah, I'm cool. Jean had good qualities too. He was very personable. So one of one guy named Joe, of course, just got to be a Joe. It's like, yeah. So one day he's got this caliprod. And I said, what are you doing with the caliprod? And he said, I can't do this anymore. So he puts the caliprod and I said what are you doing with the caliprod and he said I can't do this anymore. So he puts the caliprod to his chest and he pulls the trigger and he gets shocked and he falls on the ground and then he starts laughing hysterically and I was like what are you doing? I thought you was dead and then he pitches me an idea you know because people sneak him out the lift without the tickets and he didn't like that. So we got someone to go over there and pretend that he didn't have a ticket and then he pretended
Starting point is 00:51:06 to get him with the with the cattle pride. Ah, that caused a lot of problems, but that shit was funny, right? And then apparently a bunch of parents called up and they were like, I saw someone get killed over because they didn't have a ticket. You know, sometimes you don't deserve to get killed because you don't have a ticket for the lift.
Starting point is 00:51:24 I know finally the parents are worried. They're like, wait a minute. Now, my kids there right now, I still sent them today, but don't kill them because I hear you're killing people. You better stop killing people. They should get the option to kill themselves on a very unsafe and unregulated ride, not by a cattle pram. Yeah. And then, and then randomly they're like, also Jean had like a machine gun in his drawer. Yeah, like a pretty little machine gun. Yeah, they're like, they just mentioned that.
Starting point is 00:51:51 It's like, okay, moving on. And then Jesse's like, there with those who embrace Jean with open arms and those who hated him as someone who destroyed it up, you call like little town with his results Yeah So she's talking to him on the phone so there's a tape playing and he's like yeah I can see people will be afraid. I wanted to plunder the town with right
Starting point is 00:52:15 You can traffic and stuff you know people have it right to be afraid But if it's so bad, let's make our own little town Yeah, we'll take the playboy mansion. We'll take our parks and we'll make a new town And she's like a new color mobile. He's like nah, we'll call it great George Just but people want you to call a mobile. He's like varnish goes off. It's that way We go away Cappish It's like the least interesting land battle of all time. It's like, I don't care what you guys do.
Starting point is 00:52:45 So then the daddy guy, the bearded guy, he's like, you know what, with Gene, he could wear a suit and 90 degree weather and he was a cool dude. And then I cut the old lady and she goes, I think he was a piece of shit. So I'm on hair side. Now they're growing popularity posed to questionion what kind of insurance would cover them and So co-to insurance co-yeah totally cack get a jab good job all you kids get a job Get it by the way the entire time while I was watching this not only was I thinking this is where everyone from New Jersey Spent real house was New Jersey spent their youth
Starting point is 00:53:22 I also felt like somehow Tamra was there too. Like the entire time I was like, you know that this is where Tamra's childhood was spent. I know she's from like Tennessee or wherever she is, but I think somehow she's knocked onto a bus and made her way to Action Park. Definitely her type. There's one point where they're taking footage there
Starting point is 00:53:40 in the 80s or whatever, and some guys walking through the park with a camera, and there is a blonde lady with crazy 80s hair. And she sees the camera and she starts passing it. She's like, you want a fucking piece of me? And she just like sears it right in the eye and just passes it really slowly.
Starting point is 00:53:56 That was totally camera. Yeah, I mean, because you know a camera was all and like a guy, like, you know, a guy had long, like long big hair, you know, like hair band style, you know that she was into that shit. She was probably like into like white snake and warrant. White badge. White lion.
Starting point is 00:54:15 Anything was white in it. You know, being tamarind. So this guy did not get insurance. He just made fake insurance. He created a fake company in the Cayman Islands Called like angel. What was it called like angel? World insurance London and world insurance It's like I'll just add London to it and it sounds sophisticated and everyone's like oh cool. That sounds sophisticated Yeah, that's insurance. Yeah, and the news ladies like
Starting point is 00:54:41 This looked very homemade all the documents from them look like they could have been made on dinner napkins. Hey, why is this insurance company logo just like a line with a loop at the end of it? Yeah, a lot got done on crack-tail napkins in the 80s, apparently. Yeah. So, let's see, so one guy is like, you can't do that. And he's like, yeah, I could do it because it's gonna help us law the money. And he goes, you can't law the money. He's like, why not? Because it's the law. So what? They can't shut us down. Because, yeah, they can't.
Starting point is 00:55:15 Yeah, they can't. So he actually wound up getting like 110 count indictment. And he wound up ple plead guilty to fraud and theft conspiracy. I was actually surprised that this entire thing was kind of like breezed over like oh yeah he also like had this huge legal situation but he he basically got out of it and he had to give up control of action park in the process and so since and like his response that was like fine. And he just stopped paying bills or any like paperwork because New Jersey owned it.
Starting point is 00:55:51 And so he like he basically they got so annoyed having to like ask for the money or ask for whatever. And he just made their life so annoying that they just were like fine, fine, fine, just give us $800,000. Yeah, you can take the whole thing So then They started running TV ads created by his kid and starring employees, you know, this is where I thought I saw Kathy Wikele Yeah, the main girl it's absolutely insane. I was like that's Kathy that is Kathy I guarantee you So then we talk about you you know, just different rides and like how he built things based on natural scenery,
Starting point is 00:56:30 like how he grew up. And, you know, a side where you slide off the cliff and Chris is like, yeah, I mean, it was really good for people who wanted to, you know, get that feeling as suicide, but in a ride. Yeah, and it was supposed to be this like chill lagoon where you just like you just relax there but the thing is there was like clips that people jumped off of and so you'd be relaxing and someone would jump on your head and they had to paint the the base in white so that
Starting point is 00:56:56 way they could see bodies better that had been like injured and were like down there. And other people would just get there. I mean this is terrible. This is so terrible to laugh at this stuff but my god they really made it so hilarious. It's like all the stories you tell And other people would just get there. I mean, this is terrible. This is so terrible to laugh at this stuff, but my God, they really made it so hilarious. It's like all these stories. Look at you, as you tell this kid, it's like, how do you get away with that? Yeah, you're laughing at the hubris of it all.
Starting point is 00:57:14 You're laughing at like, how did this, like this is crazy. How did, it's so crazy that no one said this is wrong or like that no one paid attention. And so you're just like, this is crazy. This is something that existed. You know? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:28 So then when they start talking about all the injuries, like one guy went off and broke his neck. And the way they say it's like, yeah, they had to jump off a cliff with the mat, and he broke his neck. And they made the jumps bigger and bigger, and there's more and more fun. And so someone broke their neck.
Starting point is 00:57:43 Yeah. And then you know, there's a roaring springs, which is an expansive collection of two brides, you know. And then one of the girl, the girl who's been interviewed that's like a person who went to the park a lot. She's like, I remember a guy hit my tube before the tunnel and I slammed my head into the center of the tube. Wow.
Starting point is 00:58:01 That hurt. Yeah. Some of the padding got torn away and it exposed the bolts and one of the guests got unpailed on the bolt and tore gas through their midsection. They had to be evacuated. Yeah, and they keep showing pictures of injured people with like bloody gasses and welts everywhere and they're like, they're smiling like it's the best day of their life. And the thing is that this is like a tubing ride so you go down on your tube and that's
Starting point is 00:58:24 supposed to be like sort of like rapids a little bit. Not to be confused with the other rapids ride, but you just go down and you go through these tubes and the thing was that there was just be like a fortune-er-old being like, go, go, go. So they just would like send people down, but there would be bottlenecks where everything would cluster up and then so these, like people would be clustered up in these bottlenecks and these other tubes would just come corining down in the water, and they'd be like, whoosh, and they'd just like crash, and people would go flying, and the tubes go flying around.
Starting point is 00:58:51 Can I ride over each other and stuff? Oh, God. And then there was also, like, a large number of people who couldn't swim, and they would get, like, a band that said CFS, which stood for Can't Fuck and Swim. I mean, at some point, you also have to be like, these kids were also terrible. These were terrible, terrible teenagers and children who would like throw themselves into like deep basins
Starting point is 00:59:13 of water and without knowing how to swim. I also can't stand everyone who's going to this park too. Like they just, you just can tell, they were just like awful, awful teenagers. And I'm not trying to sound like a school mom or something like that, but I'm just saying just from experience, they're just like probably terrible, terrible teenagers. Yeah, and the girl Allison, the guest, she's like, you know, all those parties where the kids had jumping off through, it was all those kids in one park.
Starting point is 00:59:40 For a lot of those kids, it was heaven, no rules. And she says the most dramatic things, but she's always smiling like she's remembering the best time of her life, you know. I know. So then we go on to the Colorado River ride and Chris is like, holy shit dude, oh my god, that is the most underrated, dangerous ride. They basically put you in and said, let the laws of physics take over. So you basically would go down and into it. It was supposed to simulate what it's like to go down like a
Starting point is 01:00:12 like a class four rapid and sometimes you go fast, sometimes you go slow, sometimes you get stuck, sometimes you go up to a wall and maybe you're going to crean over it and then you like come back down again. And the early test, it's just, it's originally started as a cream over it and then you come back down again. And the early test was just, originally started as a lazy river ride and then they amped it up to, you know, Class 4 Rapids. It was like, fast enough. I don't want it terrifying.
Starting point is 01:00:32 All right. And like early test riders were like, came out unconscious and everything. And then there would be like, the lifeguard chairs would be empty, like no one's paying attention, you know? Yeah. So then let's see, well, what would happen was But the lifeguard chairs would be empty, no one's paying attention. So then let's see.
Starting point is 01:00:46 Well, what would happen was they talked about how it was all the bad kids, right? Because this turned out to be all the rich kids. All the rich kids would go to their summer house, so they'd go on vacation with their family or they'd do like rich kids stuff. But the kids who didn't have the money and whose parents were just always working and struggling to get my, were just stuck there with nothing to do so they would go to the park. So it turned into like the bad kids park where all the bad kids would come and get wasted and just try and make trouble all the time.
Starting point is 01:01:16 Exactly. And on that Colorado River raft thing, whatever, there was always fighting because you'd have so much like bump, I think there was so much bumping into each other with the tubes or like crashing or whatever that by the time they always get to the get to the bottom they'll just start fighting with each other which is like I know how many black eyes a Joe Goreger come home with from action park how many yeah right or how many did he give geez yeah because he seems like what you hit me what you want to piece me, huh? You want the piece
Starting point is 01:01:49 What's I gonna say about that who cares? Okay. Oh, yeah another crazy thing about that time period was just the rampant Alcohol use I mean now everyone's like did I just see a beer like someone posted about Jersey actually they were like Wait a minute Gabriella just turned 16 or something which is nuts and Someone had a white claw at her party and people were like I can't believe that and they were like get over it You all drank when you were 16 but not like this. I mean Jesus 14 and everyone's wasted and there's bars all throughout the park. I know exactly. It was crazy So yeah, so because you could get booze all over the park. I know, exactly. It was crazy. So yeah, so because you can get booze all over the place
Starting point is 01:02:28 and everyone would be fighting. And they'd be fighting with each other. They'd be fighting with people who worked at the park. It was just like a disaster. And then they also had something called Code Brown, which is if someone shat in the pool. So, which I think is probably something that still exists in water parks, unfortunately.
Starting point is 01:02:43 And that guy, Chris, is like, who gets so angry that you just shit in a pool? Like he took it to anger. I asked that a lot. So then we learn about motor world. Don't, don't. Wait, before motor world, we should also talk about this giant tent that they had. They had this giant tent that they would have things like October Fest and Polka Fest and Polish Fest. Pretty much like any sort of like
Starting point is 01:03:11 big white German or Polish Fest that you could have, they would have it there. And so what would happen is the adults would go there and they would drink all sorts of booze and like, you know, listen, umbalumpa music. Yeah, so they would go get wasted and then as the sun was going down, they're like, fuck it, let's go to motor world now. So they'd go to the car land, right? And so they would, Jean, with Jean would say, you know what we need?
Starting point is 01:03:38 They need to go around this track. If they do it in under 50 seconds, then we should have girls in bikini at the end, shoot and not champagne tops and shit Like he wants them to speed as fast as possible on this thing Yeah, and this place is adjacent to the beer tent So you like think your beer and then you get into the go-kart and try to go as fast as possible while you're drunk And they wouldn't say on the courses and he's like, yeah one guy chasing an employee in the field in a car.
Starting point is 01:04:06 And it was like, poor guy was like running from a bull. He was like a bull fighter. And then the employees figured out how to like just mantle whatever the speed guard was. And so they would just start driving the go carts on the highway because they could go up to like 65 miles per hour. Yeah. And then their faith, the real good way. Well, first of all they're like listen if you were a life God in that place you was being punished ain't or you knew Nobody like nobody liked you if you got stuck in that fucking place correct a faith He's like I worked there I work the speedboats and everyone would get three times around this pod So they have bumper cards, but like it's like bumper cars But they made them speedboats
Starting point is 01:04:49 But they're not bumper cars. There were there were just speedboats, but people treated them like bumper cars Crashing into each other and stuff And they would go and three times around and then they would have they would get a red flag And then they would have to stop and one guy sped up as fast as he could and just went right over another boat with another person in it to the end And she's like, I'm thinking this poor kid is to as fast as he could and just went right over another boat with another person in it to the end. And she was like, I'm thinking this poor kid is decapitated, but he just got his net cut, you know, he's so he is bleeding from there. So I had to get a stick and I had to hit the car just so the guy would stop pressing the gas.
Starting point is 01:05:17 And the guy on the top boat just like leko and then got out and ran off to another ride. Well, like just leaving the other, like leaving one boat on top of another person. And meanwhile, this pond that they were riding their boats on was filled with runoff from the muddy runoff and it was gas and it was infested with snakes. Yes. Is this the one they had a bunch of dead fish in too? Because of course they killed all the fish in the pond
Starting point is 01:05:44 with all the pollution and stuff So there's just dead I mean just terror and run off It was just like the worst like muck and and I felt bad over the lifeguard because if you had to go out there and swim out to someone It's terrible so then they had another go to battle action tanks now This is where they're in tanks and they're going really fast around and the tank shoot out tennis balls So they're shooting tennis balls at each other and one guy thought it would be a good idea to just start lighting the balls on fire So they were shooting fire balls Yeah, exactly they like like yeah, he was he was banned from the park
Starting point is 01:06:19 So then we have Alpine slide which is actually the most dangerous of them just in terms of the sheer amount of injuries. Because this is basically like a fair where you call them, but you actually see them on ski resorts all over the world. Do you sort of like these cement paths that you take like a little, you take a little cart down. You get on it, has a little break, and you go down it, and you like you just, it's, it's, I actually used to always want to go on one. But this one was totally unregulated and untested. And basically, you would drop down the mountain, but like a lot of times the cart, the brake, wasn't, didn't work. And you also had to understand the mountain, because like if you didn't brake in certain areas, your little cart would just go flying off the track.
Starting point is 01:07:03 Yeah, it was just like, they didn't have helmets, they didn't have knee things, they were just like, and they would have broken carts, they would just not fix. So you didn't know that you were getting into a cart with a brake that doesn't work, you they just threw you in it, you know, cause they didn't care. Cause there's so much of kids, you look great.
Starting point is 01:07:18 So what, I can fall so well, you get some scrapes. So this is where it starts getting really bad. So this guy goes down and he had a broken, his break wasn't working or whatever. And then he flew off the top and are we at that part now? I mean, we're getting there. We're getting there. We're getting there.
Starting point is 01:07:40 I mean, first we have to talk about also just the fact that you had to take a ski lift up to the top of this thing and like a lot of times people, you and you brought your little cart up with you on the ski lift and a lot of times people would just like try to drop their cart on top of the track, just hit people going down, which is like, that's it, you know, you guys, you know, I showed you guys, it's like, yeah, I got one, I got one. Yeah, and then we see, yeah, I got some dummy. And then we see a newspaper, East Head Overman and his daughter, yesterday sued Vernon Valley's Action Park in Sussex County
Starting point is 01:08:11 for a 1981 accident in which the top of one of the girls fingers was chopped off. Yeah. And then again, and all the areas around the track, where it was rock, so if you did go flying off, you'd like land on rocks. And then this one guy was like, listen, I was around the track were rock. So if you did go flying off, you'd like land on rocks. And then this one guy was like, listen, I was like very law abiding. If I saw a sign that said slow down, I'd slow down.
Starting point is 01:08:31 But at one point, like I hit a bump and I went flying in the air and I saw my little cart was now like on the hillside just going down. And he went like tumbling, tumbling down. And so then he had to go the infirmary. And so when you could send to the infirmary, you get sprayed with this orange solution that's like hydrogen peroxide and iodine or something like that.
Starting point is 01:08:50 But it would be like, it would just like burn. And they had you stand in a circle. And if you could like stay in that circle while you were being sprayed with this stuff, you won some sort of prize. And like in all the years, only two people did it. And the prize was like a pen. Yeah, because I didn't really have a prize
Starting point is 01:09:06 Cuz I didn't expect anybody to be able to do it So they just like took anything on the desk and they had this like big buff guy who was like all right Go ahead do it do it. They sprayed him and he screamed and cried so much that they would he wouldn't let them finish They're like dude you're gonna get in fact, he's like I don't care. I'd rather get infected to get that shit on me again I read getting infected. He's like, I don't care. I'd rather get infected to get that shit off of you again. All right. It was joke or it got. It was joke or it got. So then they had to, the town had to say, listen, we cannot keep giving you ambulances. Like we're a tiny town and you guys take up all the ambulances all day.
Starting point is 01:09:39 Like we can't do anything. So you have to get your own ambulance. So they got like a couple of their own ambulances, which I can't even imagine. So you have to get your own ambulance. So they got like a couple of their own ambulancees, which I can't even imagine that those ambulances were up to code or anyway, helpful to people in pain. Yeah. And so then we meet the attorney and he's like this facelifted Jersey attorney. He's like, yeah, it was dangerous shit.
Starting point is 01:10:00 So then we talk about the autos of the theme park. Well, Disney wanted to turn of the century America and You know gene had a vision of no rules and ran the Lord of the Flies tab thing and Andrew's like yeah, my dad only wanted to do was give control to the people Yeah, yeah, the whole thing was that like his he wanted to thumb his you know, we wanted you know He wanted to bring something create a place where people just like thumb their nose at At authority or whatever and so and that this was also like a time in the Reagan years where like you know Like red tape was considered bad like on the way of growing a business, et cetera. The regulation.
Starting point is 01:10:46 The regulation. And Gene had friends in high places. So like, they just like never really got fines because they weren't being regulated. They didn't really have fines. He also had connections. And at one point, he even, like, he had a relationship with Donald Trump
Starting point is 01:10:59 and like Trump almost invested. But even Trump thought it was like a little too unhinged, which is funny. Because I guess a little guess even a little too crazy for Donald Trump. I know, and then everybody was like, wow, even Trump wouldn't find, I mean, that's badass. Like, they're all proud of it. And then if you did sue him, he was so rich that he could just keep you in court forever and drain all of your finances. So everybody learned not to sue him because he would never settle. He would take it to trial, and then he would drain your ass every single time
Starting point is 01:11:26 Yeah, and if he did actually somehow win then he just wouldn't pay so US marshals would have to show up and they just got used to it They'd just be like US marshals would show up. They're like, okay, all right We got to pay the US marshals. They'd like take care of it. Yeah, they started just knocking on the door instead of coming like all Threateningly, they're just being clean. We need our money now, well, right? But then like the movie starts now like leading into this idea of like, you know, it was like we were living in an 80s movie, you know? We were like, it was the last decade, the last generation of like unsupervised fun for kids.
Starting point is 01:11:56 You could just be running, you could be on your bike, go to action park, da da da da, which is true. I mean, I do think, I do get that sense that like, we, in a certain way, we're lucky. We did get to live in this time and that kids could do that. And if you look at the movies of the time, they really reflects that. But the, this is where like the movie starts to lose me a little bit because they are like,
Starting point is 01:12:15 almost like holding action park up to a testament of days gone by and I'm like, mm, but it was terrible. This is like, like this is, like maybe like show like a this is like, maybe like show like a kid on a bike with like a baseball card in the smoke. This is, this is like, oh, it's, maybe it's good that we've, we've changed. Well, yeah, that's it. That's what they have trouble struggling with in the end because
Starting point is 01:12:37 they've just made this really fun hour. It's basically been an hour of this movie and it's been really hilarious. All the stories have been funny and you, anyone who grew up in the 80s is like, I mean, yeah, like I never saw my parents. Like we did what we were doing crazy shit. Like crazy and we never saw it and part of it is like, yeah, but then, you know, now we get to the people that died. You know, so there was one guy who everybody thought he was like a star athlete, he had everything going for him, and he flew off that cement one.
Starting point is 01:13:07 The one you come down with, that sled, his brake was broken. He flies off, and there's all these rocks at the bottom. And they explained it a little bit later, like there was some fourth of July thing that they canceled. Is that why they were rocks there? I don't know why they were rocks there. I don't know, but the state had ordered them to clear the rocks and they didn't and this guy Georgie So the older the old lady that we saw earlier who was like fuck the gene turns out that she's the the mother of this kid and
Starting point is 01:13:33 Her name is Esther Larson and her first son her first form is this guy Georgie and he went and he He went down the slide and he flew off it his headed the rocks He went to the hospital and she talks off at his head at the rocks. He went to the hospital and she talks about getting to the hospital and he had been moved to another hospital, but his bed was covered in blood and she thought it was just scrapes. And then they went to the other hospital and they prayed and all that stuff. And ultimately they lost him and he died. And how it massively impacted the family.
Starting point is 01:14:02 It was this tragedy and she was so overcome with grief that she actually stepped in front of a truck. She tried to commit suicide, she couldn't live with the pain of it. And it's like a really point moment and it's kind of like the emotional, I actually liked that they showed this side of it because the documentary up until the death part
Starting point is 01:14:19 had been sort of like funny in this crazy way, but it also felt like it was like, but there's like real like dangerous shit going on here and this was like where they finally kind of address it and she says, you know, 39 years later, like the pain is still real. And by the way, we also learned that there's someone who got electrocuted because there was underwater,
Starting point is 01:14:39 there was like underwater, an underwater fan that had short circuited and they fell out of their thing and they were too close to it and they got zapped by it. There were people in the there's a wave pool that was huge and they would call like they would call parts of it the death zone because people would go in the wave pool and they wouldn't be able to swim and then they would panic and grab onto other people and start dragging everyone down and that like they would call there was a lifeguard chair that they called the death chair because so many people would have to be safe from drowning in that way.
Starting point is 01:15:08 Yeah. So then we go back to Jesse and we find out why she's so important in the story. Jesse is the new, the, the, the known news lady. And she's like, you know, some of the town officials were on his payroll, you know? They were working at his restaurants in his park.
Starting point is 01:15:22 There's election officials, he bought homes for, free membership to the spa, that type of thing. You know, it was like, what can I get from Gene? You know, and he played up to that. And so he's paying everybody off and everybody's turning a blind eye because now this park has become the economy
Starting point is 01:15:38 of this town, right? So if the park goes under the town's screwed. Yeah, and she actually got fired from her newspaper because she was doing a lot of, quote unquote, anti-business reporting and maybe like some things about saying that someone was in the mob. So these businessmen went to Jean because they had the Sympathica relationship,
Starting point is 01:15:59 we know like they were on his payroll, et cetera, they were also benefiting and he had a lot of clout in the town and said, Jean, you gotta get her fired. So he actually went to the newspaper and basically demanded that she got fired. And he admits it right on tape. I mean, he's basically like, yeah, I had to do it, which is crazy also.
Starting point is 01:16:14 That, I mean, that's, that to me is like that, that says a lot about small town, maybe big town politics right there. Yeah. And because she's interviewing him, so she's got a ton of tape on him. She interviews him later in life. And he's like, I could totally tell you what I could. Bedba, what I remember the rep on you is you was anti business. And you know, you told what does Buns mob guy that you initiated the thing
Starting point is 01:16:39 about him being in the mob and that's it. And so she talks about how in 93, she followed a lawsuit for defamation and wrongful discharge. And that's why she deposed him. I guess that's why she had all this tape. And, or maybe not, I don't know, but she deposed him. No, just a relationship. No, just a relationship.
Starting point is 01:16:57 Every answer to every question was, I don't recall. I don't recall. You know, he didn't answer one single question. And I was so upset with him, I'll never forget what I said. I said you cheap or a low life I don't care how much money I have you're a low life for what you did to me I love Jess. He's like big like like Susanne Shakrabaker moment Just like you know what I walked up to him and I'll never forget what I said and you know know, you'll have to excuse me because this is going to get dark and a little vulgar. I said, you sir are a low life.
Starting point is 01:17:30 I said it to him. I said, I said you're a low life. I did it. I did it all. So then the 90s came and things started changing and attendance dropped because everybody read you could die there. Yeah. You know, stop sounding as fun.
Starting point is 01:17:43 And also Bob Brennan, O'Leah, ended getting caught finally by the SEC and he was found guilty of fraud. So he couldn't just give Jean all this endless cash and they finally had to declare bankruptcy. Yeah, exactly. And like the whole legal environment in New Jersey had changed and then the like in 98,
Starting point is 01:18:04 the place was bought by the same people who run Whistler and they stripped out the parks, attractions, they called it Mountain Creek and the narrator was like, and now it's just a generic regional water park. I'm like, I think that's okay. I think that's like, like there was like, there was like some judgment in saying that like they took away everything that was special. I'm like, what was special? Was that people were dying?
Starting point is 01:18:28 I think we're okay with just like some run-of-the-mill slides. Yeah, and then one of the biggest twists is, well, Esther, the mother of the kid he passed away, is like, one day my husband came home and said, get out the champagne with celebrating. Moldville's dead dead and he deserved dead. And then one of the biggest twists is Jesse. She's like, you know, in the last years of his life,
Starting point is 01:18:52 we became very close. And I'd learned of a very different she, very generous, you know? And then we see a headline of like, Chris Christie, you know, said he was an awesome man in his obituary or whatever. Which of course. Yeah, she's like, you know what, I'm not glorifying him because remember what I said about the low life, I'll never forget, it was such a good moment.
Starting point is 01:19:12 You got that? Okay, I'm not glorifying him, but I saw a different side, you know, was he a villain or a Victor? I think he was both depending on the circumstances and what, you know, he could do it, what he could get away with. And I'm like, I need to know why you were still in communication with him, what side did you see? Like, I thought those as actually some sloppy document,
Starting point is 01:19:32 like sloppy filmmaking here, because they sort of like entered this thing where they're like, oh, there was like facets to him, but I'm like, what were they? Like, this was a guy who cheated, he like cheated the law, he did whatever he could to make money. People got hurt and he didn't seem to care. And like, they kept on saying, Oh, but he was a nice guy. He was a nice guy
Starting point is 01:19:53 who's a nice guy. But I'm like, I don't, I feel like I'm not seeing enough to see a complexity in his personality. I'm just seeing a guy who's like an asshole. Well, it's also the end. And it's like hard for them to tie everything up because they've made it really fun and they've got deaths and now you feel terrible about death and now they're making it this over, over working thing about the 80s and like how free,
Starting point is 01:20:13 you know, that was the last time free will or whatever and they're trying to like tie it all up in the end by crashing it all together. And so some of the people are like, that was fucking awesome, but then you're cutting to that and the mother crying and visiting the grave. And then you're cutting back to Jesse saying, like, he's a good guy.
Starting point is 01:20:30 And then you cut back to the way that Park is now. It's now owned by a former employee, the one who was all scared of the cattle prod, not story. He ended up taking it back because he loved the memory so much. Yeah, I found that like in this little last section here, I was getting really triggered by all the bro comedians, like, because there's the lady journalist who we only
Starting point is 01:20:49 saw in the beginning and now in the end. She's like, you know, the spirit of action park lives on in Fire Festival and Theranos. And then you see this guy, Chris, he's like, yeah, Fire Festival is bullshit. They give you a cheese sandwich. Gene gave you everything he promised, okay? I'm like, uh, you know, I just was like, at this point, I was like, am I getting triggered by this sort of like bullshit view of the past?
Starting point is 01:21:13 Or am I getting triggered by just like a bro comedian, doing a bro comedian thing, you know? Yeah, and he tried to, he was like, you know, there's a shared level of survive as respect. Like, you know, any of the people you talk to who've been through that you know like you're a laugh but you say like was that healthy and of course not you know we laugh because what else are you gonna do like it wasn't safe but that's what we got so fuck you yeah yeah exactly he's like yeah that's basically the vibe of
Starting point is 01:21:43 the last section there and like you said We thought very last shot is you're hearing Chris saying things about like yeah, you know when you're 80s and your kids You have friends and yeah things were fucked up and you talked about your shrinks. He's just like going on and And you just see this woman with like her son at visiting her other son's grave and I kind of felt like I Know this was an intentional this was an intentional artistic point right that you have this one comedian who's like yeah but it was like survival you know what's kind of crazy we did fucked up
Starting point is 01:22:11 things but that was the time you know but then you see this woman who like suffered real loss and I kind of was like kind of maybe be like fuck these comedians you know like he was saying like you know people who grew up in the 80s talk shit but you know like we all say like you know people who grew up in the 80s talk shit But you know like we all say like how fucking fun it wasn't was the best time in the world But we're going to our shrinks and we're crying about it, you know Yeah, it's like yeah our parents were never there and we could do whatever we want But all that stuff also is like the most traumatic shit that's ever happened to us that like ruined our lives
Starting point is 01:22:43 So it's interesting and then it's like was he really did he's ever happened to us. It ruined our lives. So it's interesting. And then it's like, was he really, did he really die because of the park or did he really die? Because of the 80s. You know, they leave you with this. Yeah. Like this. They're really stretching for a little depth there in the end.
Starting point is 01:22:58 Yeah, exactly. I felt like they were trying to add some last-minute depth. I mean, I think the documentary, as a documentary, I thought it was actually not very good. I thought it was like, I thought it was watchable. It was compelling to watch, because you're like, what other crazy shit? So the documentary was like, this happened,
Starting point is 01:23:16 and this happened, and this happened. But in terms of digging deeper, I think they kind of failed on that front a little bit. Like it was sort of like, okay, here's some crazy shit that happened. But it was crazy shit that happened. Yeah, but it was crazy shit that happened Yeah, well what a crazy one so you guys can watch out on HBO Max tomorrow We will be talking about netflix's Emily in Palahe Come back for that one everybody we should love y'all
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