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Episode Date: March 31, 2020

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I'm Ben, that's Ronnie. We're here. We're here to talk how you doing, how you ferrin, how's life. Oh good, great, great, everything's great, everything's great, everything's great, everything's going great! I don't know what to say safe and sound. How's uh, have you made anything? We're all right now by the way, it's, if you're listening to this sometime in the future, we're right in the throes of coronavirus, so we're all hunkering down.

It's a, it's a time of cooking, strange things with what you got in your pantry and watching lots of TV and I did both of those things last night I First of all, I just want to say I made a I'm really made a delicious pot roast I know you're not eating meat these days, but it really went so well, and I'm so excited by it Ronnie I just I put in like a whole bunch of veggies I followed on a garden's lead put a whole bunch of veggies and red wine and random shit like miso paste and cinnamon and honestly it was delicious.

It was a delicious pot roast. So if you guys think about what can I do with a big piece of meat that you got around? I highly recommend doing that. Just go ahead. Congratulations on your delicious murder. I've been working on garden burgers because listen, I need a love of garden burger And I was like, well, hey, it's time to learn how to make them because you know, we're inside

So I haven't quite perfected that yet That's what I'm working on food wise Have you gotten close to it yet or no? Yeah, I made a really good one, but it wasn't perfect, but it was pretty good. I used mushrooms, just raw mushrooms, put them in the food processor, and then garlic, cumin, garlic powder, some spicy stuff, some paprika, and chickpeas for the bean. And then some onion. And basically, you do all that, and then I add a some flax and chia seeds.

It's really good for you. They'll thicken anything up. And then made them into patties and baked shit out of them. They were delicious. What was I gonna say? I'm a little nervous about experimenting during this time because I don't want to like make food, you know, make food that's shitty, right?

Oh well, I see. Like I don't want, like, a fix city. I mean, I still eat it too, but I kind of like don't want to, you know, it makes me nervous to, to improvise. I'm like, I have this big piece of meat. Ooh, I hope I really don't ruin it, because if it turns out really bad, for instance, it's like, I'm not really not trying

to throw anything out right now, but if I really, really mess it up, I don't wanna like accelerate when I have to see, when I have to go to the grocery store again. Yeah, well, one of the people I'm most grateful to during this time of experimenting in the kitchen, because that's the only way I cook, because I'm too lazy to read recipes, is the maker of Sriracha, because that will mask anything. And I got that bad boy with every meal, baby. Yeah. Sriracha really fixes, I've actually been putting Sriracha on everything, which I know

does not sound like a huge revelation in the world of like home cooking but I really have been throwing it on really everything and it has fixed some of those like mediocre meals. Yeah, it'll mask anything baby. So anyway, today one of the good things is all the Netflix we're watching. Last week we did 11 blind recap and this weekend, I've been watching Elite as well, because I love that show, so stupid. I cannot stop watching it. And you see, even though that came out.

It's a teenage soap opera, basically, on, it's a dub-dover, so I don't know if you'll like that or not. I don't mind it, I'm used to it. And I think it's from Spain, and it's a really good show. It's so stupid, and I just get hooked because it's like a mystery shit. Oh my God. Oh, I'm totally, if it's like a, oh, I'm into it.

Maybe you said it takes place in like a school, a league. Yeah, a private, a private rich kid school. Oh my God, yes. And I let four or five poor kids in a year as part of their scholarship program So it's like how the poor kids interact with the rich kids. That's like my favorite thing ever Yeah, and so I've been watching that but I've also watched HBO because Westworld is back my one of my favorites. I love that show and

I've been watching this new one called the Tiger King, which has been really big on Netflix. So we thought, Hey, why not cover it? Yeah. Ronnie sent me a text and said, we should check out Tiger King. And I was like, you know what? I'm going to come from a place of yes. Because why not? Right? And, you know, I like tigers. I like kings, so why not? So yeah, Ronnie said, let's check it out. So we both watched the first episode,

and we're here to talk about it. Yeah, here we go. That's a tiger king episode one. So for those who don't know, by the way, it's a documented series documentary. I think it's about seven episodes, right? Something like that. It's a true crime. It's obviously a true crime limited series documentary. I think it's about seven episodes, right? Something like that. It's a true crime.

It's obviously a true crime because of documentary. But yeah, that's what it is. It's not an ongoing series. It's just this crazy, crazy, I don't even know where it's going, but it definitely had me cracking up. And also like in shock, I could not believe what I was watching. Not because anything shocking happens, but like it felt like every five minutes on the show,

they're welcome a new person that was just more bizarre than the last. Well, we open with the kind of main storyteller guy. The documentarian's name is Eric. But he's talking to this guy who's kind of like an outback Mr. Furley from Three's Company. He's very like Don Nazis got big ol' eyes, but he's got this black hat that looks just like Mr. Furley. Yeah, it's like Don Nots auditioned for Crocodile Dundee, didn't get the role, but just like

held on to his audition look. And it's like, okay, I'll tell you a different story than about tigers. Yeah, he's got like a full ass train in front of him at all times. So there's like some weird little diner with wood paneling. He's like, oh, this guy let me tell you about the tag of man. We find out later, his name is Rick, but he mainly goes by his last name, which I don't remember. We'll just have to find out when I get to get to his name in my notes.

Yeah. And then we cut to another guy with tiger pelts everywhere. Yeah, and he's like, you know, animal people are nuts. They're all kind of half out there. Yeah, and then there's like a guy on a red shirt who may or may not be the same person. Cause at this point, I didn't, there's like so many faces I didn't know who he was.

Yeah, there's tons of faces here at the beginning. Yeah, cause it's like a documentary, so they're gonna throw everything at you to get you excited. Then later on, we meet these people sort of more slowly, but right now in my nose, I just had red shirt and basically someone goes, the monkey people are crazy, but the big hat people are backstabbing pieces of shit. A decade-long feud comes to an end. And then we get a guy with leg, not prosthetic legs.

No, because arm prosthetic leg, well, I'm ignorant. Well, meaning that he's, well, they're prosthetics in that it's like an attachment, but basically like, if we're being really ignorant, it's basically like, it's basically like peg legs.

If we're gonna say a totally, it's not a place. Yeah, I don't know what you're talking about. I'm not trying to, I can't think of the right word. That's the closest, they're not obviously peg legs. And I obviously would not, it's very problematic to say that. I'm not really trying to say that. I was just trying to, they're basically,

it's not like he has an ev-viva, ev-viva dresher legs attached, but it's like the metal, right? Yeah, yeah. Cause he's, he lost his legs basically. Yeah, and he's got like insane clown-prosy legs. Or like big, big clowns on his legs or something. That's the only reason I'm.

This documentary. Wow. Clown legs. That's something I haven't seen before. This documentary is basically like, what would happen if Juggalos owned Tigers? That's basically the premise of this documentary. Yeah.

So he's like, well, it's not every day a zookeeper goes to prison for murder for hire. And then we we see this is a prepaid call from I know a new Joe and jail for us. He's like, you know, they threatened me with 79 years 79 years and this guy Joe he's got like this mullet. It's like blonde on top, then brown, then blonde again. Yeah. And in the bulletin and jail, he has like a web camera something like a prison

cam has something while he talks on the phone, but it only shows his eyes and above. And he's got these crazy chola. Jail bangs like prison. Yeah. It's like, oh my God, what is this? It's not unlike watching Joy Behar on the view these days, since she's Skypingings. It's like, oh my god, what is this? It's not unlike watching Joy Behar on the view these days since she's Skyping in

and she's like, has a terrible connection, so they'll be talking and then she just busts in and she's like, yeah, what, what, what, what, and Bernie, what about Bernie? You're like, quiet joy. So, we find out about tigers. There are more captive tigers in the world today than there are tigers in the entire world. And then we see Governor Kasey on the news saying, um, you wouldn't believe how many sheriffs told me there's a guy down the street who's got a tiger.

And they don't let them go. They feed them with milk bottles. Look at all these people feeding tigers with milk bottles. They feed them with milk bottles. Look at all these people feeding tigers with milk bottles. Yeah. And then we hear things. Tiger King. And then we see that Joe Exotic was accused of trying to murder Carol Baskin.

We don't even know who Carol Baskin is. But already just hearing the name Carol Baskin got me very excited. Yes. And then this kind of like hard copy, ladies, like Lone Long before he was indicted Joe exotic made great TV. Yeah, it's like a talking reporter lady. I'm sure we're gonna hear a lot from later. And right now one of the bleach blonde guys, he's

not Joe exotic, but he's describing him to us. He goes, Joe exotic, he's a completely insane gay gun-tun drug addict fanatic. Which is true. It's like imagine if Dog the Bounty Hunter cared more about tigers than Bounties and was gay. Yeah, I just thought what a great log line to sell your documentary. And it's a completely insane gay gun-to-toding drug addict fanatic. I'm like, is this an improv class? Is this like an exercise you're supposed to do? I'm into it. Yeah. So yeah, that mullet, wow.

It's like stringy and flat and really uncompromising. So it's like the episode, I think the episode's called Not Your Average Show. And then it goes Florida five years earlier. Like of course, of course it starts in Florida. Of course that's where we begin. Yes, was there any doubt? Yeah.

And the first shot we see is a lion statue, or a tiger. I don't know, I'm done. My wife's gonna say lion, big cat. And it looks like it's stocking something. And then the camera pulls back. And there's this flamingo statue That's a big cat's about to eat Then we see these like two guys a hauling out. There's enormous 23 year old snake like this is the promise that Felicia had

Yeah, but I'm not stuck or with a with a Shot on accident And we meet Eric Good, the filmmaker. And he's like, when I started this project, I had no idea it would consume five years of my life and get as crazy and violent as it did. I was investigating a notorious reptile dealer in South Florida.

And then of course a snake dealer's like, well here's how you drain venom. Look at that, it's a whole martini glass full of venom. Yeah. Oh, and by the way, check this out. I just got a snow leopard. And it like opens up a van. And there's like this beautiful gorgeous snow leopard

in a cage in the back of this van in the sweltering heat. And someone's like, well, did they need to be refrigerated? And it's like, no, no, no, not they're acclimated to Florida. They're fine You know, it's yeah, yeah, snow leopards. It's like it's called a snow leopard this poor animal First of all, no one has ever acclimated to Florida in history of Florida So that's already like that's already a false to the falsity right there It is not acclimated if we can't acclimate to it this animal can't Yeah, and Eric's like, it blew my mind. What is a snow leopard doing in the back of a hot

fan in Florida? And that's what set me on this journey. I was like, wow, Eric is a very curious person. Like, he's definitely in the right job. Like, I will now make a documentary about big cats in the back of the harems. Yeah, also by the way, Eric kind of annoys me. Okay, I sort of never really trust documentarians that put themselves into the movie. And then on top of that, he's sort of like this smug guy who's like walking around. There's like a little bit of like poverty porn going on

here with him, but he's definitely kind of like, I'm like, you know, Eric, you know, like settle down, Eric. We don't need as much of you in this. you know, Eric, you know, settle down, Eric, we don't need as much of you in this. So we start seeing shots of billboards, like the world's biggest cat park. And then Joe Mullet walking around his cat park. And then we see, we see him sitting on his couch with the zebra blanket and a little

kitten, little tiger kitten. Yeah. And Eric's trying to get Joe to take off his cap for the interview and he's like, no, I don't want to take it off because then your audience will say, oh my God, that guy has a mullet. I'm like, you know that the mullet does come out from behind your cap, right? Every day people say you must have the most incredible life living with 187 big cats. A start of this 99 and in 16 years, this is what it's grown to. Paradise!

Yeah and he's like showing his grounds because he basically has built this enormous like rinky dink zoo situation and he's like, believe it or not, this used to be a completely empty field. I'm like, I actually do believe that. That's not a really shocking revelation. It's like literally stolen empty fields. It's a, it's a shame.

It's an empty. Exactly. It's like literally, it's a field with random tigers in it that you've pinned in. He's like, does it feel, he's giving a show for little kids? And he's like, does it feel good to stand off stage and have people envy me? Of course.

I like it. These tigers look, they're so affectionate. They just love to be loved on. And no, that's not me projecting some sort of anthropomorphic thing onto an animal. No, no, no. Yeah. And Eric's like, are those two trying to mate?

He's like, how come on there two boys? Not that we discriminate here, got it, Eric? And then we see greater win-win exotic park. I mean, it's like you get close to Tigers and Lions here. You get closer to them than anywhere. You might get urinated on. And if so, we sell shirts at the gift shop to say I got Peter on it, win-win. It also comes in underwear, underwear form and sex jelly. So then we like started meeting some of the people who work at this park.

Like there's a guy I think named Eric Cowie who was like the headkeeper and he's like, yeah, I was pretty much at the end of my rope. I was down on my lock. I don't really have anything going on. I ran out of meth and I was either robbed, someone get some jail, go to jail again, or I saw this listing on Craigslist and I thought, hey, I could be a zookeeper, so here I am.

Zookeeper is a son. Like long rock, rock hair. He's like, I found this shit on Craigslist and I was like, fuck shit, I've never seen this shit before, fuck. Now I'm doing tiger shows. Yeah. So then we also meet John Rinky, who's the guy

who has the two prosthetics, and he's talking about how he got involved. And basically, it's like a circle of misfits wind up working at this jail. And for a moment, there's almost this sweet spin on it. It was like, this is a haven for people who didn't fit in anywhere else, but that goes away pretty quickly.

Yeah. You call criminals to work for you so they can't title-tail. Yeah. So then Kelsey, the staff, I wrote staff safari. I don't know what that means. But she's like, yeah, you know, Joseph, the star of his own show, he's just a born entertainer, you know, meeting him in person, like that definitely

like solidified that. So. Yeah. And then we see that Joe is also a country music artist. Yeah, he just wants to be a star. And so he has like a music video and that he would film everything all the time. Like he just always had a camera running.

So by which also gives us this like, unprecedented amount of footage from all this shit over the years. And he even has a live TV show that he does in like a shack. Every night at six o'clock on like, joe exotic tv.com or something like that. And this is where we meet again, you know, furly dundee and his name is Rick Kirkham.

And he basically, Rick Kirkham is a guy who is a producer slash reporter for places like Inside Edition and some local news things, et cetera. And he was brought on to help Joe Exotic TV. Yeah, because this guy just basically films himself doing everything. Yeah, they show he's got cameras everywhere. He's like, they show him eating lunch, you know, or he's

like vacuuming or like, I hear from me with a weed whacker. That's right. Woodwhacker. So Joe's like, yeah, you know, Rick Verly is like, yeah, you know, I'm one of the producers of Joe TV. He never had more than 80 people watching that thing live. But when I walked in, had all this experience, national reputation. And then we see that he worked for Bill O'Reilly. Yeah.

Mm. And Bill O'Reilly is like, wow, Rick is nuts. What was he on, a current affair? No, his inside addition. He used to be the host of Inside Edition back in the day. Oh, geez. So yeah, he glossed it up and got real titles and a green screen and all this good stuff. And then he's like, God, and every night was about animal rights and Carol Baskin. And that's just like his montage of like, Carol Baskin wants me to eat yogurt. And I don't like yogurt. Carol Baskin.

Trying to ruin my life. God damn, Carol Baskin. And then we cut to Carol Baskin. And she's everything you think she would be. Like the biggest cat lady of all time. You know, she's like, Hi, I'm Carol Baskin, the founder and CEO of Big Cat Rescue, the largest sanctuary in the world for big cats.

And immediately I said, Bullshit lady. You're a foolish shit lady. I don't believe you for two seconds, man. She goes, if there's one thing I know for sure, is that big cats don't belong in cages. And meanwhile, the entire rest of the show, and in time we see Carol Baskin, she just has tons of big cats in cages. Yeah, tiny little cages, horrible little cages. I mean, at least it shows I can walk around. Hers are like little teeny tiny like no, you know, you know what? I thought they were

teeny tiny also, but it turns out that was like the feeding cages are small, but then the regular cages are big. Oh, okay. Yeah, I know I thought the same thing too. I was like, fuck this, but then I actually like looked and I was like, oh, okay. Well, the worst part of this is he's like, one thing I know. And then she's in a cage, like holding the bars. Can't stop belonging cages. So it's like you're a full of shit Carol Maskin.

So Joe's like, yeah, I'm just minding my own business, doing my own thing. When I open a paper and see us see sanctuary or murder house. Basically, yeah, Carol started raising all this, uh, ruckus about his, his place and naming him in the newspapers and coming after her. And he said, her plan is to make people think we're abuse and tigers and then run us all out of business. So then we go down to Florida, of course, where Carol is.

And so Eric goes to meet up with Carol and they like, Eric and his people, they drive up and they she approaches the car and he goes, oh, and she's dressed perfectly. Which again is like, it was funny and accurate what he said because what we see is that she's like in this flowery top with this like flower child sort of crown that she's put around like that she's wearing on her head it's like a like a very 1960s hippie sort of thing like band around her forehead and it's just like so ridiculous but I also think there's something it's so like smarmy about the documentarian

actually saying oh and she's dressed perfectly I'm like let us do that as the audience like you don't have to do that, you know I don't know why I'm so angry at him right now But she's perfect when she comes out. She's just like Just trying to push forward this image of I'm just like a sweet lady of the earth Trying to help all of God's animals in her budget van der pump flower crown and animals in her budget van der pump flower crown and uh... girls that that's what you want me to you want me to get down so you can get the cat in the in the pictures so she kneels down and she's like this is lots of what he from ohio he's gonna get nasty with me watch out

and they the cat like that like it hates her the cat this is another thing the cat's hate her guts they they which with Joe they don't seem they seem really like Joe, like he can actually get up close with them and stuff. And her, they're like, we're going to kill you. Okay, then. Well, you know, wow, they'll hurt you. So they go from being nice to wanting to rip your face off in the next minute.

It's amazing, really, cats. Wow. Yeah, she's, I don't read the newspaper and I don't watch news on television unless it involves cats. Wow. Yeah, she's, I don't read the newspaper and I don't watch news on television unless it involves cats. So I have a very limited amount of knowledge that I have that I take in. I live in breath saving cats and I know that if I keep trying I can win in the end. We're just fixing a problem that they're creating. You know, they're reading cats for cages, a tiger knee square footage.

And the reason we have them in cages is to provide them a safe space to live until they die. Okay, well, there you go. Yeah. I mean, I'll give a little bit of defense to Carol, which is like her tigers are in captivity, but she's not doing selfies with them, she's not having all sorts of people touching

and petting them, she's not exploiting them in that sense necessarily, but yeah, it's a fine line, it's a fine line. But she totally is exploiting them. I said in that sense. I'm not saying she's not exploiting them in other ways. Yeah. So then she's got a call back to Real Housewives of Auckland

where there was a cat lady who had tons of cats that had passed away and she went, she had them all in bot-like boxes, right? What was her thing? And each one of them had a card or something that she had written and there's like a hundred names or she'd be like, and then there was Azalea. Azalea, I'll always remember your one fluffy ear and your one frat ear. Oh! There was itsy witsy, what a lovely, what a lovely cat she was. She only had three paws,

but she always knew where to urinate just so. Yeah. So she does that basically. She shows all of her dead, you know, cats. She's got like a big mausoleum or something for the cats. Yes. It's like a path. It's like a winding path of, you cat tigers we have known. That one tried to bite off my face. She was cute.

Yes. You know, cats. So she's like, I can't like, you know, I grew up, you know, the very first photo of me is with the family cat. And I just, I loved cats. So she's like, I can't like, I grew up with a very first photo of me is with the family cat. And I just, I love cats. I actually didn't have friends. My friends were actually two imaginary white cats. And then she's like, actually I'm allergic to cats.

So my house is tile and you know, there's no curtains, that sort of thing. What? And everything is cat print. Like everything is a luggage. It's just lady. She is crazy or lampshades. Everything is cat print.

And then sometimes when she goes to, you know, state capitals or the capital to lobby for legislation, she's like, I wear head to toe cat prints. That way people remember me. They remember that like, I'm the one who fights for cats. No one's gonna take you seriously dressed in leopard print you know testifying in front of some sort of Senate subcommittee. Yeah and then there's Howard her husband who just follows her around like a dope like he's right behind her at every time every

second and say um are you following me again Howard? Would you just like to lead? And he's like, I think it's fair to say Carol was the mother Teresa of cats. She's like, oh, make it. And you know what, my friend just told me a few weeks ago that mother Teresa it was actually apparently like not the best. She just really exploited unhealthy and poor people to make herself look great. I don't know. I have to fact check that. But if that's true, that does track with this in this comparison. And then Eric is standing in the closet while she's talking about all of her cat clothes. And she's just trying on everything for him. It's slightly so cuckoo. She's very great gardens, you know.

Where she's like, and then I have this robe. I thought she's short on your head, ma'am. I feel like she's someone we would like somehow become friends with in a weird way. Somehow she would just be in our lives and you'd be like, hey, Ben, can we record a little bit later? I have to go to Carol's house to help her install a light. I'm like, why are you still hanging out with Carol, Ronnie? You're like, I'm sorry, I just did.

I just have to. I have so many carols in my life. It's insane. That's coming from a real place because you know I've complained to you about the carols. I'm like oh geez and then I would like I would school you for Forgiving Carol too much attention, but then I would wind up going to Carol's place and playing with all our cats I get Carol now. I get it. Yeah, and then you'd be like but you told me not to hang out with her I'm like well no Ronnie is just you have to like draw boundaries Yeah, and then you'd be like, but you told me not to hang out with him.

Like, well, no, Ronnie, it's just you have to like draw boundaries. Mm-hmm. So then we're in Joe, Joe Exotics gift shop, the Tiger King gift shop. And it's barbecue sauce with tigers, sex, you know, sex, lube. Skin cream.

He's like, but myself the best is my Tiger King underwear. And he just has all of this like, like, what's the right words I want to say exotic underwear but you know like under like sexy times underwear yeah they all have like his face on it and Eric's like do you wear them what's your favorite kind and he's like I don't wear underwear I've been on the cut oh but look I've been on the cover a Hollywood magazine twice and I've done two albums this, I've been on the cover, a Hollywood magazine twice. And I've done two albums. This one's called I Saw a Tiger.

This one's called Starstruck. I'm like by a tiger. Stay with the theme here, Joe. I know. Then we see his music video and he's like, I saw a tiger. And now I understand I saw a tiger and the tiger saw me It's like look there's Joe's head popping up up above some grass He's like you better tell the hunters lie down their guns and then the model in that music video

I mean it's just such a Hollywood story. It's like of course he fed and left with the model for this music video Yeah, that's right. Yeah, the model's John Finley. John Finley. And in the music video, he looks okay. Like, he looks sort of like he kind of like missed the boat for, like, international mail, not with bodyweds, but just stylized. It's time for commercial.

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You can listen ad-free on the Amazon Music or Wondery app. Then we see Joe Finley nowadays and he's just like shirtless with like patchy body hair and missing a few front teeth. He's got these nipple rings and he's like nasty tats. It's just like, yeah, just sitting there all dirty and toothless and meth out of his mind. And he's like, well, I'm a John, I was straight out of the high school. Whoa, whoa. When I met Joe, I mean, and he was like, yeah, we're together for about 11 years. And he showed me love and learned how big my heart was.

I was like, did you start stealing money from that? Because that's where I see this going. I know. Have you seen how big the gap is between your teeth? I've seen that. He's like, that's how much I cared about Joe exotic. So, um, so then Joe tells us that when his dad found out that he was gay, that, um, he had to shake his dad's hand and promise not to come to his funeral, which was sad, very sad.

Yeah. And he tried to kill himself. He drove off the bridge and broke his back. Um, and then when he went, you know, he lived obviously because he's alive and the star of a documentary now. But when he went back to Florida to do his physical therapy, he had a neighbor who was the manager of the safari in it. He would bring home the monkeys to bottle feed. Yeah, and it's where it started. Yeah, because the animals were sort of like therapeutic for him. So that's when he was like, he's like, oh, I love this. This is great.

I want to get into it. But then he's like, so this is like, so he sees the therapeutic beauty in these animals, but the am I right, people keep saying I can't have these tigers. Oh my God, well you can't just keep breeding them. Like what the hell do you? This movie's so crazy, my God. well you can't just keep breeding them like what the hell do This movie so crazy you might it's crazy because they naturally kind of get you on Joe's side, right? Yeah, wacky and it seems like he's nice got such a sad story and he's so passionate

What are you doing? You're just breeding and then later we find out they breed these You're just breeding and then later we find out they breed these Cubs because you can really pet and be around a cub and make a ton of money off of them until there are a few months old But then they grow into be huge killers, you know, yeah, and then and and and on top and he almost You know, I'm almost on his side He's like, you know, because if you hold these animals and you just like have a connection You're gonna think twice about certain things and you are going to want to do things like save the rain for us.

I was like, you know what? He's right. He's right. But then Carol later on is like, yeah, but what happens is people love these these cubs. They get the cubs and then they get a tiger and they're like, what do we do with a tiger? And then they have to come along and save it.

So like, I'm like, yeah, that's bullshit too. So meaning like it like meaning like people are stupid. That's what it is. People are stupid. Well, this show does have a lot in common with the housewives show in that you just cannot pick sides. Like the best thing to do is just watch it and enjoy it and just not pick sides because you're gonna be proven

wrong no matter which side you pick. And then it turns out there's even a third side to this because it's not just Joe Exotic and Carol Baskin. There's a guy named Doc Antel who is in South Carolina and Doc Antel is like the slick media trained. I'm a I feel like he's going to be the ultimate villain in all this. He's just he's another big cap reading dude.

His name is Dr. Bhagavan Dhakaantal. And he has this like long blonde hair and this blonde sole patch. He sort of looks like a little bit Mario Batali meets the painting that comes alive and Ghostbusters too. Yeah, and he's like a total showy kind of narcissist kind of guy who's always bossing everybody around. And he's bossing the crew around. He's like, all right, so we should get the shot like this.

You want me to go over there so you can get the shot. That's how we could do it. Yeah. And he's buddy. Exactly. And so his operations called the Myrtle Beach Safari. And he's the director of the Myrtle Beach Safari and the Rare Species Fund. So there's just something really like, when he even says that there's a fund, it's like I don't trust that there's any money going to any animals anywhere. Yeah, tech shelter. And he's that kind of person. He's like, my name is Doc Bogavan, Dr. Bogavan, Boba, Doc Antel. It's about B-H-A-A-F-E-A-N.

Yeah. Okay, buddy. Because we learned later on that he sort of had like a, sounds like a little bit of like a wild wild country aside, like chapter in his life. Did you ever watch wild wild country I forget? Uh-uh. Oh, well, it's about this craze, is about this cult with Indian origins and was it Cal,iph, it was Utah.

Anyway, so this basic doc had gone to be in like a yoga retreat or a yoga commune of some sort for a few years. And that's where I'm assuming he got his name Bhagavan because he is very white. Yeah. And he's like, that's where it came to me. Let people be free with tigers. So he, so we see him at his, his wildlife safari,

and there's like a group of people who've assembled on bleachers, and he enters on an elephant, and he's like, this is my little girl bubbles, everyone. Welcome to say hi to bubbles, the elephant. And the whole operation is just like very compared to Joe Joe exotics. It's like much cleaner. It's just much more presentable. It feels like a like a a place that Doesn't feel like you're gonna get killed in necessarily

He's like these animal rights people just want me they me destroyed, because I'm the forefront of the guy who loves big cats and has them loving back. I'm like, oh, cats like me best, ooh. And meanwhile, one of the people that works at his company, they have people like sitting around, and then there's like a lady who's dressed a little bit sort of like dominatrix Indiana Jones-ish, and she has like this cat, and they're all sitting around the

cast just lying down and she's like look at this what this is the cat and this is the look at this is what the cat does and then she just starts dragging the cat along the floor. Yes like oh he thinks this is a big drag yeah. It turns out Joe's crew and Joe's been sending spies over to Doc's place to find out how they can steal ideas and get a bigger operation. Yeah, so then back at Joe's place, this is when he starts talking about how he, I guess he was inspired by Doc Antel, so we started allowing people to touch and handle these baby tiger cubs because it will allow them to be more connected to them and they'll want to like

conserve them more, etc Yeah, and then there's a fan over at docs who's like this is our second time this week coming $650 who cares? I got to touch the baby talk or I'll give it to them every day. It's like feature family, sir Yeah, please, please. So then Doc is telling us how it costs 10, a minimum of 10 grand a year to feed each tiger. And then Joe had cut to Joe. He's like, I can feed a tiger for 3,000 a year.

Yeah. Oh no. And then we watched someone like butchering a cow. And I was, I felt bad for you having to see that. I mean, that's so gross. It's like, why did I say we should watch this? It's just like cow legs and cow, this just pieces of cow that they're watering

and they're getting roadkill and shit because they're poor, you know? Yeah. And Doc Antel is like, you know, this is, he also says about like touching the tires and stuff. He's like, you know, this is a really important cause because it'll cause people to open their hearts and their wallets for worldwide conservation, for worldwide conservation. Like, oh, is that why you want them to open their wallets for worldwide conservation?

Yeah, because he gives to, to, I think it didn't want of them say they give to conservation or something, which he said that he had the rare animal fund. I mean, who knows? Yeah, who knows. I'm with you. I don't see that money going there. animal fund. I mean, who knows? Yeah, who knows? I'm with you. I don't see that money going there. But yeah, they do funny cutting in this so too, because they just gross you out, right? They're like, here's a cow leg being ripped apart

by three lions, and then it cuts the little babies playing with these little baby kiddies. Yeah. And then we hear a sad thing that basically the, the, the, the, the GW zoo was part, not just a Joe's dream, but it was also his brother's dream, but then his brother was hit by a drunk driver on the way to Florida. Everything, oh, it seems to always come back to Florida, even though this takes mostly place in Oklahoma. So because of that, he became really passionate about like anti-drunk driving and anti-drugs and things like that.

So Joe started to do all these anti-drug seminars and no one really cared. He's going to schools, but no one would listen. So he started bringing the animals in because that would make people wanna listen. So he had these weird, like don't do drugs, but let's look at the tiger also, like presentations. Yeah, so he starts pulling out all the stops

and becomes a magic man. Yeah, because the animals weren't enough. So he was like, and then I added magic. What? And then I added animals, then I added tigers. It's like, oh my God. Wow. There's a lot for some some drunk driving lectures. Yeah. So he the the reason how he was able to add magic is that he found some kid named JP Wilson.

Who's this child child magician. And he's like, hi, I'm JP. And they just show this like kid sitting on the edge of his bed holding a giant cat with spots on it He's like Well, I need some magic and Joe wanted to learn it. God, we had fun Can I watch it 24 hours a day? It is so bonkers like wait I'm just getting used to Carol Baskin and now all of a sudden we're in a magic show So like so so Joe has this, he creates something called the,

the mystical magic of the endangered show. And so this is what spun out of those magic seminars, those don't you drug seminars, it became the mystical magic of the endangered. And that's when he named himself Joe Exotic. And he then started doing shows and malls to be like, I got tigers, amr, doing magic. And then they cut back to his ex husband, and he then started doing shows and malls to be like I got Tigers and we're doing magic.

And then they cut back to his ex husband and he's like and that's something changed his name to Joe Exotic. Well, it first started out and we were all crammed into Simuotruck just going from Maldemall 14 of us in the cab of a Simuot. That was crazy. With a Tiger. And so, so then we have then we meet Susan Bass and she does PR for big cat rescue, which is Carol Carol's company And so Susan basically would

Track down wherever this magical mystical and danger mentor was going and she would call them all and be like Hey, don't do that. This is not good for the Tigers. And she basically was a nuisance to him because she got, she mobilized their followers to send an e-mails until the malls not to host this Tiger Magic Show. Yeah, and then it grew because animal rights and stuff. And so they went from like 500 emails to like 6,000 emails and so they started getting shut down at every mall and Then it cuts back to Joe's cap and he's like, yeah, that was our that was our money for the winter

You know and Kelsey's like yeah, but Joe always found a way to make money Yeah, because at this time that's when tiger selfies are to become really popular I guess, with Tinder, et cetera. So Joe started offering people the ability to do Tiger Selfies, especially with the Cubs, et cetera. And then we see, like, footage of Shikilu Neil going, and Shikilu Neil goes and like, checks out the Tigers, and he's like on NBA live. And Shikilu is like, you know what, I went to the GWZ, I showed up to exotic Joe. I was like, this is bonkers. Yeah. And then we cut to Doc who's showing all of his real,

he's showing like his real on a big screen TV in his house. And he's like, you know what, you know what, rewind it, rewind it. Let's show the Jay Leno show, all right, all right. That's a rewind that you know What might as well rewind back to Letterman, huh? Go back to Letterman. Let's show him Letterman. Oh right Yeah, and then he starts explaining what happened he he goes from this like okay Yeah, let's go all the way back. Let's go all the way back here. I am I'm here on J Leno

Wow look we brought animals on it was a wonderful experience. I was like you fucker because he totally puts on this different voice when he thinks they're starting to roll the camera. Yeah, and he's like, yeah, I'm a cowboy from a family of cowboys and I moved to Yogaville and then I saw the power present in the animals without cages, you could see him in their power and glory and then I went to Hollywood and I made 500 or five gigantic international movies, gigantic and then we see like Ace Ventura. Mighty Joe Young, Dr. Do Little, a Flonaze commercial. And the thing is that by the way when we see him as a child, there are all these crazy photos of him with animals, and there's one of him standing in this like larping costume with like two falcons on his arms. I'm like, it just seems like every two minutes, this documentary just wants to throw something else bizarre.

I'm trying to think that maybe it's all fabricated. They just had a bunch of costumes and animals that they wanted to put together in a movie. And this is where we find out that you can make $100,000 per little cub, but then you can only use them for a few months, you know. And you're like, by the time people take 300 pound tigers, we have to get them. And there's no government regulation of private possession of big cats, which is crazy. That is.

That isn't that nuts. It's definitely crazy. We regulate everything. But that's like, nope, you know, people can have lines. Yeah, and that was the moment where I started to think like, you know, I've been, I've been sort of like, um, lulled into this pro-jo exotic stance of like, you know, yeah, he's got the animals But he's just trying to make ends meet. This is the American dream is plucky He's trying to make it happen. He's trying to follow his dreams and then I'm like, wait, no, no

Carol like say what you will Carol at least seems to have the proper perspective on this which is like this is crazy There is no regulation and she's trying to actually make a make a change for the better on some level, you know? Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, it's just like breeding little babies. You can make a hundred grand. And then what do you do with them after? And we haven't found that out with Joe yet, right?

Yeah, we don't know where it's going to go, but we do see a flashback of a town in Ohio. I had pretty much forgotten about this and watching it. I had like, limmers, I was like, oh yeah, I think I remember that of this guy who had this like wild animal farm with like bears and tigers and all sorts of crazy animals. And you just set them all loose. And just set them all loose.

They had a mountain lion, 18 tigers, a baboon. I mean, Jesus. And then we see the police Because the police had to take care of it You know, he just let them loose for no reason. No one even knows why he did it He just let them all loose and so the police force has to go in and like start war with these animals And it is so depressing. It's just like a shot of all these dead tigers everywhere. Yeah It's a shame and those tigers. I mean, it's not their fault, but they were that and that's why someone like Joe exotic

Why this is like not cool because people can't handle these tigers You know could wind up in a situation where they have to be put down because they were mismatched by humans Yeah, and this is definitely the part in the show where it turns like from oh my god What a fun show about like a crazy wacky guy who just loves tigers to oh Joe first we see well we see all these dead tigers, which is obviously horrid and then he's like well, you know It's what it's it if someone thinks they're gonna take away my animals This will be my wake-o because no one's gonna walk in here and take away my animals, this will be my wake-o. Because no one's going to walk in here and take away my rights.

Yeah, no. So, okay. And then, so then we meet a sheriff, the sky sheriff, Rhodes, who says that he basically, I think he joined the force around this time. And it's like immediately, it's just like non-stop issues with Joe. And essentially, because it was basically Joe's

out of war with all these animal rights people. And he's saying things, he does like a PSA and he goes, you're an animal rights person and you try to come into this facility. This is what you're going to be greeted with. And he just like, then you see his like husband, John, was named John. Just with a gun just shooting at the water. I'm like, hmm, okay. This doesn't seem like it's in the spirit of love and big cats. Yeah, and he's like, well, you know what struck me was when he said this would be Waco. I took that as a direct threat that we could have a shootout. Yeah, pretty much sir.

You think? And then it cuts the joke on this is my tan. I'm the mayor and the sheriff and the jury and the executioner. Even the ice cream scooper needs to my screen to go. I'm the organ grinder. How about that? So then he had a patch with one of the guys who worked there, basically that like, if anything went wrong, they were just going to shoot each other.

I'm like, I feel like that's like maybe not a great thing for your LLC. Like maybe strike that from your mission statement. We've got names on bullets for each other, isn't that cute? What the hell? So then Carol Vaskin gets support from PETA. Yeah. And then it really starts. Yeah, then shit really starts to hit the fan, you know.

And then we talked to Brittany, who I think starts to hit the fan, you know. And then we we talked to Brittany, who I think it works with Pida, right? Brittany, yeah, of Pida. I mean, that handy name, very, very on the nose. Yeah. And so the Joe's camp is like, well, it's not like we beat the tiger or anything, you know, and then the other side is like, this is abuse. And Brittany's like, Joe's scary. He's always armed. Like, he's always got a gun. And then we got to Joe and he's like, yeah,

we've got 24 hours. We got people on the doors. Three of us have firearms. This has gotten bad. Yeah. And the thing is that pita people keep trying to sneak in and like take footage to build their case or whatever. And so there's all, as a result,

there's just constant police reports from Joe to that sheriff because of Peter people. And we see this one Peter guy who's in there. And he's like, well, I wasn't here because people should know what's going on. And it's like such a Peter person, you know, like really just on the, on the nose as like your stereotypical Peter dude

who would break into a place to try to like sneak video. So basically there is this like crazy escalating standoff that is happening now between Joe, Joe exotic and Carol and then he got this guy, this guy Doc who's kind of watching from the side because he's the one who actually seems to have the most money out of all of them. Right. And then Joe's like, yeah, they're brainwashing people that were abused in animals. And that, that lady's a hypocrite. She does parties, weddings, it's a moneymaker for her too. And that's what I was saying at the beginning, I was like, this lady's fishy too. Like I don't buy her a holier than now, bullshit.

She's basically just found a way to get the cats for free, and she's still profiting off of them too. Yeah, and she has put a spin on it that she's a sanctuary. So then we see a hordes of people in line ready to go in and see her cats, and of course she's charged them money for it, et cetera. And people are coming in and Carol's like, oh, I'm just so excited that people want to be here and save the animals And we see these ladies We're all like Carol is a hero of mine and one lady goes up to her and says I tell everyone that this is the Ritz Carlton of

Animal Sanctuaries because you're doing an amazing job You're gonna make me cry you're gonna make me cry. And then Rick, the producer of Joe TV, is like in my opinion, Carol's just as bad, they're both making money. Yeah. And then Carol's like, well, they're always trying to upset me on social media. And then we see Joe's stuff.

Oh my God. He's showing like a little tiny cage that the animal's eating out of a Carol's place. And he's like, how about that one with his head and a tiny cage? Does that, is that right? He goes, I consider that bitch to be one of the biggest terrorists in the exotic animal world right now. I'm like, should there really even be an exotic animal world to begin with?

How about that? And then we see their media fights where she's made a website about him to get back at him. Yeah. And she's like, website about him to get back at him. Yeah, and she's like, if you go on the website, we can, you can see we have under cover video of a cup biting a little boy on the face. I'm like, what the hell? Yeah, I think it was called like Tiger Abuse.com or something like that. So then she's trying to get this act pass called the Big Cat Safety Act, which would destroy private zoos, you know? And so Joe is furious and so he's on his little TV show, which by the way does not look like a real TV show,

despite what Mr. Furley said. And he's like, you know what? For Carol and her other supporters before you bring me down, it is my belief that you will stop breathing. Like, hmm, don't say those things on camera, sir. Don't do that. There's no kidding and shooting guns and stuff. G. Joe, I'm sure it was real rough for them to put you away in the end.

And he makes jokes about, like, here's two vanimists, and I'm gonna send these to, we're gonna mail these to Carol. And sure enough, one day she opens up her mailbox and was full of snakes, like, I would never open up a mailbox again if that happened. Oh, no kidding. And so she's terrified, right? Yeah.

And then he's furious. And then he goes to a gun store. Discount guns. And he's like, 100 rounds, Johnny. And the guy's like, okay, well, is that it? Or you need some explosives today as well. Oh, fuck. Why, is that error? You need some explosives today as well. Oh, look. Why does anyone need explosives?

Literally no one needs explosives. Unless you are in demolition. And then we see that they have a mannequin to look like Carol that they shoot at for target-active. I mean, this show gets darker and darker. And this is only the end of episode one. This is like the episode where they just set up the characters. This is like, I feel like we're not even in the story yet, right?

Like remember making a murderer, making a murderer? The first episode was just all backstory leading up to what the whole show was about. And so then it goes four years later and it's like, this is a prepaid call from... Ciao! Exotic. He's like, I'm an accade. You know why animals die in cages? Cause they're sold eyes.

I was like, uh, don't you keep animals in cages, guys? Yeah, do you realize that you're making a case for Carol? Yeah. He's like, I'm not gonna be accused and go to prison and lose everything for things other people did. Before this, it's over. I'm gonna shut down everybody Joe trucking tiger

So that's where we're at right now we still have more episodes to go but that wow Wow It was so bonkers. I was like what is this crazy crazy saga Well, we'll be watching everybody. Thank you so much for listening to this bonus episode. Yeah, let us know if you are also watching and away and leave a comment on Patreon or on our social media. Go to watchcraftpins.com to see links to all of those. I guess if it was in the bonus episode, you already know how to get to Patreon. So anyway, you guys have a wonderful day

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