Watch What Crappens - Reality Life With Kate Casey Crossover

Episode Date: December 30, 2020

We're ending the year catching up with one of our fave pod friends, Kate Casey of Reality Life With Kate Casey. We go over our end of the year faves and giggle a lot. You can find Kate's show anywhere you listen to podcasts, and follow her on Instagram @KateCaseyCA. Enjoy the show, and we'll talk to you again in 2021! *We're doing a 12 part series on Stitcher Premium called Dwell Hello all about HGTV's House Hunters. Sign up to Stitcher Premium at https://www.stitcher.com/premium using discount code CRAPPENS.**We designed lots of new face masks for Bravo lovers available at crappensmerch.com A portion of sales go to MedShare!Our Patreon Extras: https://patreon.com/watchwhatcrappensSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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best shows of the year. Now, remember that we don't watch that many shows. We already watch it on the shows for Bravo, and we do have the crappies coming up. So we'll be talking best of Bravo shows in that episode next year. But we wanted to finish the year off talking to someone we really like and Kate has always been so supportive of us. She was one of the first people who ever really helped us when we were first starting and we just really love her. So enjoy this show catching up with an old friend and we will see you in 2020. Follow Kate and reality life with Kate Casey, wherever you find your podcast, wherever you're looking to this, just search reality life with Kate Casey or find her on Instagram

at Kate Casey. C a enjoy the show. Oh, thanks Kate. Hi. It's been a good year of TV. There have been more shows despite COVID and I am waiting with Bay to breath to hear your list of the best and the worst of TV in 2020. So are you ready for our list? Oh my God. This is going to be rough

because it's hard for me to pick one best of anything. I know, I know it is rough. Okay, let's go with number one favorite new show of the year. Then. Oh my God, I was hoping you wouldn't put me on the spot because I'm not sure what my favorite new show of the year is. God, like I'm trying to think what what I mean, what for some reason my mind keeps going to a show, but it's not a new show, but it sort of feels like a new show, but I'm just gonna say it because who cares, right? It might allowed to say love Island, USA. Really? Okay, yes.

Because wait, what other really big news shows came out this year? I mean, I don't, yeah, I think I'm gonna go with that. It's not a news show, but it felt like a news show because it was like a whole thing. It was in Vegas, et cetera. And I love Love Island. And I got so into the Love Island USA cast,

especially because last year, I really could only watch a few episodes and I gave up on it. And then this year, I found myself carrying more about Love Island USA than Big Brother USA, which is a shock. So that's, I'm gonna sort of at the gate, mess up your rules a little bit

and go with Love Island USA. I think that they also tweaked it a bit So they look less like crackhors. They had them all wear matching loose sight heels and and monochromatic matching Dresses so they looked really put together. So it did look visually much more posh And it was also like a really good counterpoint to big brother, which was we're airing at the same time. And on Big Brother, we had a season where literally the white people kept on like nominating and evicting all the people of color or the women. And then on Love Island USA,

you had like an extremely diverse cast. So it was like very refreshing because Big Brother was making me so angry and then I'd go to Love Island USA. And I was like, this is sort of what, this is like a better direction of what a cash should look like. Okay, great. Okay, Ronnie, what do you think?

Yeah, Big Brother was horrifying this year. I loved, I like more science fictiony type of shows when we're not covering housewives shows. I really loved Lovecraft Country on HBO. That was so good. It's basically a science fiction suspense thriller show that mixes, you know, like real world events with zombies and killing and death. And I also really liked one that is on most of the worst shows of the year lists, which is raised by wolves on HBO Max. It's this robot lady trying to have a baby.

And I was like, this is so real housewives. But it like really embraces the dystopian part, you know? And I feel like if real housewives just did that, it would be a much better deal for all of us. Yeah. My favorite new show of the year is on HBO Max. It's brand new. It's called House of Ho.

It's about a very wealthy Vietnamese family in Houston, three brothers and a sister, the oldest sisters named Judy, the two brothers are named Washington and Reagan. All of the grandchildren have the names of presidents. They have the most nutty parents and this great aunt who is just a spitfire. So that is my favorite new show of the year. And I love that it is coming to us in December to just leave us out on a great note after a shitastic year.

Yeah, that's my Christmas break show for sure. Same, actually, you know what? I actually have a proper answer for you because I kind of fudged it with Love Island. So let me give you a proper thing of an actual new show that I'd forgotten about, but I was like, wait, I loved the show. Was taste the nation with Padma Lakshmi. I absolutely loved it. She is, like, I love Padma. So I'll pretty much watch anything she does.

And I also love food. So I love watching food, etc. But it also happened to be like a really good show that, like, would have very thoughtful moments, but was also like, it wasn't just like all serious. It was just like, it was just like so fun to see all this food, especially now when you know, you know, being stuck in quarantine where you can't really go out to restaurants these days. So to sit there and just like watch Padma go around

and eat things and get her shirt, stuck in car doors and stuff was just like great for me. Yeah, and she would ask herself things that we're asking ourselves in quarantine like, where do hot dogs come from? What is chop suey? Okay, least favorite show of the year. Ronnie, you're up first. Wow, I have four listed, okay? So I'll give you my nominees to you how to handle on Netflix Ratchet on Netflix labor of love and listening to your heart both on ABC and I would have to go with labor of love Wow That was that was a horrible show Ben. What about you? I mean big brother was

abysmal it was just like I am a huge big brother fan. I'm like, it's like, I feel like it's like part of me. And I actually had to kind of, I had to stop watching. I thought it was, I thought it was in the front to the franchise. I think that CBS needs to revamp it. I think you need to clean house. The challenges are still, the production is still, it's juvenile now, like that there's stupid sound effects. It's poorly scripted with everything. The casting was awful, and on top of it, and there was also that problematic stuff that I mentioned before, which was just like the awful, it's like the rotten cherry on top of a melted Sunday. So big brother needs, I'm not saying cancel it.

I want big brother to be around for the long haul, but it needs to be, it needs some major fixes. And I was really disappointed with it. For me, I said flirty dancing, which was a bachelor kind of rip off where people meet and they perform a choreograph routine, which was so horrible. But the other one was it's called Demarkis Family Values with Rascal Flat's bassist Jay Demarkis and his ex-peed queen wife, Allison, and it was atrocious. It was a sad excuse for a television show.

You know, actually though, we know what's funny is that my boyfriend was one of the choreographers on Florida dancing. Um, and so we are grateful for that show in this household and for at least for that, you know, but it is sort of a, it is an interesting premise of a show for sure. Actually, I should add one on there, which is the, uh, Kim Z show on Bravo, and I haven't even watched it, but she's such garbage. And, um, I remember coming on your show to talk about an episode of first show and I was like wow I've never really watched this is cute what a cute family I take it back yeah times of change Thomas yes that's like a perennial perennial

worst show of the year just a sort of like it just it has it's like it just have has like a lifetime achievement award and being the worst show of the year. Best star, male star, in a reality TV show, Docky series or documentary for 2020, Ben. I mean, there's, God, there's so many. I mean, Bravo has just like a million, a million stars in them. And then let's not forget Survivor, Survivor, what a, you you know, survivor just has so many too. I'm a huge survivor fan. But I feel like this year when we're talking about like that,

the whether you like him or not, I think he's pretty much trash and awful, but there's no denying to me that Joe Exotic is a great Tiger King. I think he is the one. Yeah. He is the one. Well then, what about female star in

a reality TV show, docuseries or documentary? For me, are you asking me on this one? Oh, God, I love so many of them. There's, I mean, the easy thing for me is always dip into real housewives of New York and, you know, give you a Sonia Morgan or the way. But again, it's like, that's just so easy. Oh, God. Well, I'm going to go with Karen Hueger from Potomac because I was up on the fence with the New York House ladies too, the housewives as well. And I was thinking, you know, Karen Hueger deserves it.

She's really navigated them then trying to take her down like every episode and come out just smelling like a rose and wearing a yellow sponge in the end. And she's just happy as ever. She's got a little perfume. She had a weird sex scene with her husband. I think she's one of the biggest winners when people are constantly trying to bring her down. So I say Karen. Yeah, I think that's a great call. And I think that ultimately, even though it is easy, I do have to go with Sonia Morgan because I feel like she really put it all out there this year. She was a drunken mess.

And in a way that I think other Bravo stars or reality stars are kind of afraid to do. She said, I'm just putting it all out there. And I love that she went to a party and she hit on like a 22 year old kid and was like, oh, you think I'm your hit on like a 22-year-old kid and was like, oh, you think I'm your grandma? Well, that's fine. And then she's like, yeah, I still text with him. I think she's kind of living her life on a very bad toxic path, but joyful at the same time. So I kind of give it to Sonia Morgan.

I always feel like they do toe the line of being the personification of that sitcom from the 80s called It's a Living where they were always just sky lounge. But my favorite is Darcy Silva of Darcy and Stacey and 90 Day Fiancé because she's not malicious, she's not a hateful person, but it completely walks through life as if she's walking through clouds while wearing a bedazzle jean jacket with like a mane of horse hair, like completely unaware of how the world looks at her and doesn't care. And it's, I find her to be endlessly fascinating and hysterical. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I can see that. I like that we all pick the disasters that really have been the way I'll pick kind of a disaster

as people that you wouldn't think would be doing so well, but against all odds, here they are. Well, that's, you know, that's our thing. You ever play apples to apples with someone, you put your answer down. Like if the thing is, if the adjective is like happy, and then like, I will put down something like a disease. And then someone else might put down something like a rainbow.

Like I'm the one who puts down disease and not rainbow to happy in Apple's apples. And that's sort of like I think what we all are. Yes, I think you're right. Okay, best supporting star. These are people that are not, they aren't necessarily the star of the show, but still really brought their best to television this year. So supporting star male, I will start

with you, Ronnie. The boxing guy from Real Housewives of New York, or the guy with the Martini in Real House wives. Oh my god. The horrified gay with the Martini. Yeah, he was great. Okay. Ben, what about you? Yeah, I like the Martini guy. I mean, he didn't even say anything. He just looked and he became kind of a classic character. So I have to go to the Martini guy also. Yeah.

Okay. I had Dr. John Bachvar from Lennox Hill because he was the neurosurgeon who saved all those patients. And then they had a bonus episode about COVID. And he, I think, expressed what it's like to be a frontline worker in the early days of COVID and add to that he's dead sexy. Oh, yes, like that. Okay, female supporting star, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you

know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you

know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you know, do you herself into a little pickle every single time. She just can't help, but stick her foot in her mouth and be awkward and we're a weird lacy trim. And I just, I think she is just misunderstood and she just gets shat on by America, by her co-workers, by her bosses, by her clients. And that makes me really love her. Okay, Ronnie, what about you? I really liked the lady from Indian Matchmaking. Oh, she was good.

Oh, yeah. I thought she was terrible. And we covered the show on, I think bonus episodes this year. And we covered, did we cover all of it Ben? I think we did. But anyway, we covered it. We light, we really liked it. And then we read all this problematic stuff after, after. And then I felt guilty for liking it as much. But I think she was great. I think she did

a really great job. She helped a totally different kind of show. And she made me laugh. And she still had some heart. Even when she was telling people like you're basically unmovable you need to fix that. Yeah I loved her. Yeah mine is a little bit obscure but her name is Dr. Jean-Jean Lallich and she appeared in at least three cult centered docu-series this year. I love her. She is a new cult expert to all docu-series documentaries about cults. And I find her to be the most compelling. She, I loved her.

Every time she came on screen, I loved her because she sort of has this like no nonsense attitude. But she also explains about like the psychology of what happens with a cult, which I find to be probably the most fascinating part about any of these documentaries. And like she was severely, I don't know, actually, actually, you know what, I'm not even sure she was in the vow.

I take that back, but she was definitely in. She definitely, no, she did cover the vow. I think she covered, she covered it in the stars documentary, not the H.J. She did the star. That's what I'm saying. She was on seduced, but she wasn't in the vow because the vow was too self-indulgent for her to actually have room to be in there. I agree. But, you know, because, you know, Mark had to talk about the psychology of a cult, even

though he wasn't licensed to work. Even though he was the one like you're doing a lot of the abuse in the cult, that ass. Yeah. Okay, TV show or series with the worst, worst name, then. With the worst name gosh, you know, I feel like the names were largely pretty good this year I'll just go with spy games because why was that even part of our lives Yeah, that's right. How it was that this year. Geez. Okay, right. What about you? I? Think labor of love takes it. Oh Jesus. Yeah, that was

Gross. Yeah, that was. Wow. Yeah. Mine was TLC's my feet are killing me, which has two doctors and they are going over fungus and dry skin and other things. It's just close up of shot of feet the whole episode, but yeah, my feet are killing me. I mean TLC can always win, though. I mean, they have like the Dr. Pimple Pop, isn't that TLC? Dr. Pimple Pop. Yes. What is happening with TLC? What is not?

I just can't do TLC content. I'm sorry. Trading spaces is the best I can do. Okay. High achievement and casting, Ben. Well, I did already touch on love Island season two in America, so I won't go to that again because that was really good casting. You know, I think an argument could be made for the undoing because you had all those

super famous people being super famous in it. But in terms of, you know, but I feel like I actually kind of want to go back to show that Ronnie mentioned Indian matchmaking. I thought that was great casting. It was like lots of normal, homely looking people. And I've often found that the most homely people make for the best television because the attractive ones are the ones that are like really trying to be stars because they think that they can attain it

because of their good looks. But the homely people are just like, don't even know why they're on TV. They just sort of like did something under there and then they're usually very guarded at first, but then they start to like open up their layers. And so I'm going to say I really like the casting on Indian matchmaking, especially the teacher guy. They have he said teacher guy with a beard, who's dad like her, his ex wife.

That's beautiful. That he was wonderful. I hope that he found somebody. I really need updates on that show. I do too. That's a good point. Okay, Ronnie, what about you? Well, I really like one of my answers was he grabbed because like, when have we seen him? You know, that was cool to see him again, especially playing such a cad.

And I really was impressed to see Sharon Stone and Ratchet because Sharon Stone, like I didn't know that she was still castable. I just figured she was like always losing her mind on sets or just being like crazy. I don't know what I feel like Sharon Stone should work all the time. And I really liked that she was still Sharon Stone,

like very Sharon Stone-y. She was her basic instinct character all these years later, basically. Yeah. My one friend who's an actress calls women like Sharon Stone and Kate Hudson and Julia Roberts' self-fictrasses. And they're basically acting as themselves on camera and are just replaying the same role over and over again and for to the tune of like 15, you know, 12 million. But they're just basically acting themselves. Can we, can we also, can I also give another like a honorary mention to something I saw last night which I feel like deserves a quick end of the year. Um, mention for this category is, uh, Lauren Holly in tiny pretty things. Oh, I want to watch this show.

I just looked it up. So this is that ballet show and that flex. It was pretty terrible of what I saw of it. Um, like really like ridiculously terrible. Like, uh, on a, on a, like, it felt, like, it's like from the people who brought you undressed on MTV, they're now running that ballet. Oh, I was ruined by Black Swan because now I want to watch ballet things. So my high achievement in casting goes to the people of the crown because they got a woman

who looks so much like Princess Diana, but more so, the actor that played Prince Charles, the way that his ears like prop out of his face and his facial movements, the way he's always kind of shrugging his shoulders. I'm always impressed with how the actors now, all the characters, but particularly the roles of Charles and Diana this year, the season are really well done. So my hat's off to them. Wow. I mean, I was the crown. So yeah, that's one thing

that I want. I don't watch it because I feel like, oh, I'm not some old lady. I'm not going to watch the crown, but then I watch Vera on a corn instead, which is Brenda Bladon as a, oh, she's one of my favorites. Most thought-provoking moment on a real housewives show. This is like right up your alley. Ben, you go first. Oh my god, you know, it's so funny because like when these shows wrap for the season, I like forget all about them.

So I'm choosing this one because it's currently airing. I'm sure there are other thought-provoking moments, but I'm actually gonna choose the fight between Monique and Candace because I didn't think it was a thought provoking moment. I thought it was just like, oh, reality TV fight, and then there was a conversation afterwards. But then I actually really learned a lot from our audience

about concepts like identity politics, and identity politics, respectability politics, et cetera. So I actually felt like I really learned from that, thanks to a lot of people chiming in, concepts like identity politics, not identity politics, respectability politics, et cetera. So I actually felt like I really learned from that thanks to a lot of people chiming in, et cetera. So that was very thought provoking for me. Ronnie, what about you? Denise and Brandy boning possibly on Beverly.

Oh yeah, that was thought provoking. My name's way more shallow, but I did find myself in a hole where I was like looking up Instagram's from that time period and I was like well, were they you know when were they even together and what was Brandy's reaction then and should I go back and listen to this old podcast or Brandy talked about it and said nothing happened And then why am I so involved like why do I care? I got so mad about that whole thing I still don't really know why, but that really consumed my brain for that whole season.

I mean, it provoked thoughts. For me, I'm gonna say it's been real house was a Potomac, two different things. Karen Hueger being very open about the problems in her marriage. Now that she's had fame and her own income, separate from Ray, and how he's retired and the dynamics

there, which I thought were very thought provoking, but also in the reunion, the way they just brought up the issue of colorism. And I love that because there's so many things that one can learn from the way that all of them open up. I mean, I think a lot of the franchises focus on the aesthetics. And Potomac is really great because I think that they are really capturing issues relating to race that in a way that no other show is. You know, also I think it's a good runner up in terms of something that was really thought provoking was the notion that how traumatic hospital smell can be for some people. Yes, yes.

That was really good on the public city. Okay. But you're right, Kate. By the way, I didn't mean to minimize everything you just had with the joke, but you are totally right. Most underrated HDTV or Food Network show, Ben. Well, I've pretty much sworn off of Food Network since it's just become like, who can make a cupcake on like, on not, from potato chips. But HG, I've really moved on to HGTV. And my, I mean, given that they're all pretty much the same show, I feel like my choice for underrated is this weird little, trippy show called Hot Mess House, where this lady

who I believe is like from Alberta or something like that, she councils people on how to organize their house over Zoom, and she basic classifies different types of people as different types of bugs, and she's like, oh well you know what, you're a cricket because you like to hold onto things and that's what crickets do. And I'm like, why, like, it's like you're either a cricket or a ladybug or like a butterfly.

And it just seems like the worst show of all time. And then like you watch it and you kind of want to see how they organize themselves. And then you start thinking to yourself, what sort of insect am I? Am I a cricket? I think I'm cricket. Oh, that's cool.

Okay, Ronnie, what about you? I agree about food network. I actually went through the Food Network guide to pick something and it's so bad now. It's so bad. I still just watched Ina, and now I watch Valerie Bertonelli on there, but I wouldn't call that the most overlooked.

So I went to food, HGTV2. I really love flipper flopp Las Vegas. I think it's so good. It's so kooky. It's just another flipper flopp show, but it's like an ex-show girl, and her husband who's an MMA fighter, fighting while they make these crazy tacky houses. And I also really like restored by the Fords with with Leanne Ford, who's an incredible designer, but she's not really very HGTV, like she does very high-end stuff, and basically her idea of high-end is like painting everything white, but she does everything in such a beautiful magazine kind of a way, and I don't think she gets much respect from HGTV viewers.

I'm gonna say this is a food network show, but it's Trisha's best dessert recipes. And here's why I think if you need something in the background to play when you're hung over or you're sick of listening to your children or it's just one of those days where you want to feel like all is right in the world. Even though I don't believe that she makes any of these recipes at home, even though I think that somebody just hands her a piece of paper and tells her and then like shoves some food in front of her, there's something that is just like great for TV

in the background viewing that I'm gonna put her as my choice. Mm, oh, that's a good one. I'll check that out. Like she'll say stuff like, oh, this is one of Garth's favorites. And you're like, I don't believe that shit. Yeah, I've seen her regular show and she says that about everything and she doesn't, does she do this one

like on her farm, on her and Garth's farm? Yes. And then you're like, put your farm is probably like, has the most polatial, uh, shate toe on it or something. And then and also all of her food, I would never actually eat, but it's like a lot of those food networks shows where I enjoy just watching people make things, but I have no intention of ever making it myself

or eating it. Yeah, I was just watching fruit cocktail. What's our best? Paula Dean's son is like, I'm gonna make what my mama makes, but healthier for my lifestyle. Hey, mama, it's me, Colin. She is like, I'm gonna make what my mama makes, but healthier for my lifestyle. Hey, mama, it's me, Colin. She's like, honey.

And she's like, jocky doing on the phone. And she takes all of her fattening food and makes it healthy. And he says, mama, at least once in every sentence, because he's like, totally writing his mom's co-tales. And I just watched one, I think there's only one episode. I guess it wasn't picked up, but it was onto me. And I got stuck sitting there. I couldn't turn it off. It was riveting.

I was like fruit cocktail with custard sauce. Oh, just the sauce. Just disgusting. Oh my god. It's time for commercial. It's time for a crap and it's commercial. Celebrity beef. You never know if you're just gonna end up on TMZ

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Ben. So given that there was a lot of lounge pants shitting in general, show or no show, I am oddly enough, I'm gonna go with, God, I don't know, again, I feel like I keep going to the same trough, like I don't know if it, I feel like I keep going the same trough, like I don't know if it's the love islands, either British or USA, because they were, they were definitely moments in their

roles, like, oh my God. But I kind of want to go with survivor winners at war, because I, this is kind of funny. I remember there was a tribal council where I was like, oh my God. But I have no idea what happened at the tribe. If you ask me what happened, I don't know. But I just remember, I was like, oh my God, but I have no idea what happened at that time. If you ask me what happened, I don't know, but I just remember I was like, I can't believe that this show in like, after like 40 years is still like,

capable of making me lose my mind and have to like text everyone I know who watched the show. It's just amazing that that show is still so good. So I wish I could be more specific on which tribal council it was, but I just really don't remember. Okay, what about you, Ronnie? I think for me, it was Tiger King just because it was

so different than anything we'd ever seen and the people on it were real, but they were all so just, it was just a whole world we hadn't seen. And then the twists and turns in it. Now it just seems like, oh, it's the Tiger King. We've all seen it, but at the time, I remember being like, what? What?

At the end of every episode, I was kind of shocked by what had just happened and how it would twist and turn like that. Mine is murder on Middle Beach on HBO. Oh, that's a good one. That's good. That's really good. Okay, I hope this person never is on TV again.

Ben. God, I want to say Kim Zolsey. Yeah, I feel like Kim never is on TV again. Ben. I wanna say Kim Zolciak. I feel like Kim Zolciak's a safe one. I was also gonna say maybe Madison from La Vile in USA, but that's more of a more of a obscure choice, but I feel like a very valid one. But I'm gonna go with Kim Zolciak.

I think that she does more harm than good. I don't think that I wanna I want to send a lovely little note and be like, thank you for your service to pop culture. We no longer need you. Good luck in the future. You know, it's like on Instagram. Right. Yeah, like here's some brochures.

If you want to open up a pizza hut franchise or you want to get involved with an MLM. Oh. But we no longer need you in pop culture. She would be perfect for an MLM. What about you, Ronnie? Well, mine is gonna be a shock to everybody. Kyle Richards.

Kyle Richards, how dare you. How dare you? I can't with Kyle Richards. She's like the worst of reality TV to me. She's a schemer, she's a climber, she's a fake and a phony. Don't micro at all. Mine is Claire from the Bachelorette. I would be totally happy to never see her on TV again. She's like a bratty woman who has been on too many of the offshoots. And I just think you're

married. You're going to get married now. Let's put this to bed. Like go back to Sacramento and make yourself happy. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. This is one of my favorite questions. The Fontrum Awards. So what moment on TV this year gave you second hand embarrassment? Ronnie. Well, actually Claire, Claire coming back and yelling at all the guys because they weren't showing her enough attention to patchaloret was one of the saddest things I've ever seen. I agree with you. These guys come on TV to pretend that they like you to get some Instagram deals and they're already pretending enough with Claire because she's a mess of a human being. And then she starts yelling at them because they're not paying enough attention to her and not showing her that they want to be there I mean, I was more to find a horrible moment. I agree with you. Okay. What about you Ben?

I feel like Giannina getting rejected of the altar Yeah, and then running off that's actually not even the second-hand embarrassment. The second-hand embarrassment is showing up at the reunion being like, I'm still with him. I was like, oh, okay, now this is the real second-hand embarrassment, really, after all that, after all that. Oh, that's a good one. Okay, worst recipe on TV, Ben, I have to know what you said.

Um, gosh, I, um, the first thing that came to my mind, I mean, there were some bad ones that I can think of from all walks of life. But oddly enough, the one that just jumped right into my mind was on the Great British Bake-Off, Laura, I love Laura, but her very first challenge, she tried to make a cake bust of Freddie Mercury, and it was just the saddest, funniest thing, and I just have to give it to her for that terrible, terrible, terrible, Freddie Mercury bust. Okay, what about you for you, Ronnie?

You know what? I can't even think of one. And we cover top chef. So that's crazy, but it was a really good year of top chef. Oh, well, what about Ronnie? What about Vegas night on top below deck med? That's good. Thank you. Yes. I'll steal that. I'll go with Vegas night. That was pretty bad. Poor guy asked Hannah steal that. I'll go with Vegas night. That was pretty bad poor guy Astana Fairey what he should make for Vegas night because he never been to Vegas and she's like, well Hebex and Neche's will some french fries will name his chicken fingers and he did it badly And it just ended his whole TV career Well, you know how I feel about Hannah. Okay

it is whole TV career. Well, you know how I feel about Hannah. Okay. Um, Guy Fieri for me has that atrocious show called diners and drive-ins where he's pretending that some of the food he's eating is actually edible. And he had this one episode where he had deep fried breakfast and pinyonus. And I was like, he is going to barf at any moment. And he, it was like he got pasty and sweaty. and I just felt like the projectile vomit would be happening momentarily and he somehow withheld it inside of his body and I was really impressed and horrified by the whole thing. Wow yeah, I guess horrifying and I guess if there

was an award that's not on this list it would be like the biggest shocker of the person that's not on this list, it would be like the biggest shocker of the person that's still alive. And it would be Godfrey. Like, oh my God. I watched on his drives and drives and drives. I watch it all the time. It's like my background show. Yeah, background show. And how is he still alive? Like, I literally don't understand how he doesn't have a heart attack on television. But also, if you're on a show like that, why can't someone properly dye your hair? Why does he have roots all the time? I mean, you're asking questions that the universe just can't answer.

I mean, Guy Fieri is just, he, I don't even know why he won the original Food Network Star. I was a fan of Reggie who he went up against. And, you know, Guy Fieri. Do you ever get like a weird fear that if Steve Harvey were to ever, you know, step down from family few, they would give it to a guy Piawara. It a host instead.

Like that would be like a terrible thing for me. I sometimes think that that wouldn't happen. I wouldn't even put that into the ether. That would be Sean Robinson. She's also like a total fill in. Or they just have a 90 day fancy. They had Sucin Pock. I was like, what like,

Furniture. 1990s MTV. Like what like what like let's get Serena Altruel. I know exactly okay. Steps sister to Whitney Sunder Smith I believe. That's true. That's true. Okay the last question. What moment on television could you watch 12 more times? Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna combine two moments because I feel like they're part of the same spectrum, maybe three moments. Okay, just Liam McSweeney, just like being crazy, throwing torches, throwing ravioli at Ramona and like being crazy in Providence. But like, God, I did love watching it from Avioli at Ramona.

That was kind of an amazing thing. I think the torches though. The torches is pretty like iconic. So I think I could watch the torches, probably 12 more times. What about you, Ronnie? Well, yeah, this is a really hard one because it has been a very good year for TV,

especially crazy scenes. But I think my, at the the time wasn't my favorite, but now I will always remember it as being my favorite moment on TV this year, when Lisa Vanderpump at the end of Vanderpump rules, when Jack's like, this is my show, it's like, no, actually, this is my show. And then he got fired.

Yeah. I mean, that was just so satisfying. And you hear it just full of crap. You know, to see someone Jack's get his ass handed to him like that and be like finished. Oh, I just feel like it was, I don't know. I feel like God was like, I'm still here. I feel here guys. I got your back. For me, it was reunions. It was when Tinsley put the Smackdown under and that. Oh, yeah. That was amazing. That was great. And I also liked when Monique put the Smackdown on JustZell about her imaginary relationship

with the pastor. Why isn't he here? Wow. Here's the phone number of the woman that was texting with them. She brought an abundance of receipts that I saluted, even though she wasn't my favorite cast member on the show. I felt like it was what we needed in these dire times. Yes, that was actually

pure brilliance and it's still going like this. You know, at the time of recording, there's still a couple of weeks of that and I cannot wait to finish out the year with Monique just going off. That is, yeah, that's what dreams are made of. I would also give honorary mention to Pat Miloxshmi speaking Italian on the top chef finale. What was the word she kept on saying, Ronnie, we kept on making fun of, was she saying prego? She kept on saying like one word over and over again, like to really show that she like new attached like prego.

I'm not sure if it was prego, but it's something like that. But my most used line from the year of anybody is, I don't whip masks in the ocean. Okay. I don't whip masks in craziness we are going to have in 2021. What is the one show that is just it lights you up and you know that there is a north star in the sky. What what show is that? You're going to I don't think I'm going to win anyone over but when I say that, I'm going to be a star in the sky. I'm going to be a star in the sky. I'm going to be a star in the sky. I'm going is a North Star in the sky. What show is that?

You're gonna, I don't think I'm gonna win anyone over, but when I say this, but for me, it's truly my North Star is Summer House. I'm so excited. I'm so excited to trailer for the new season looks amazing. I love Summer House. It's never let me down. Maybe season two let me down a little bit, but it has had three amazing or two amazing seasons now in a row. Maybe season two, let me down a little bit, but it has had two amazing seasons now in a row. And I mean, I just cannot wait. Okay, what about you, Ronnie? I think the show that has always consistently made me laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh.

And I'm a little worried about this coming year, but I'm also very hopeful is real house was if New York, I just cannot wait. It makes it it's hilarious every single time, you know, even people like D'Aurinda who I was really thinking needs to go. I mean, she got so just dark and it vile at times. I still really love her and I'm gonna really miss her on there and I'm like, what are they gonna do without her? And it's gonna be the same, but I just I'm so curious about it and I can't wait to see what they do with it. Well I love you guys so much and tell everybody where they can listen to your shows, not just the show that you can find usually on iTunes but your Patreon. Oh yeah, go to patreon.com

slash watch for crap and it's good access to all our fun page around stuff. We got bonus episodes every week. We got a discord server. We have crapments on demand, which is where you can watch us recap the shows. It's a blast. Go check it out. And then where can they follow you on social media? On Instagram, we're at watch what crap ends and on Twitter, we're at what crap ends. So you can find us there. You can also find our personal. I'm at Ronnie Caram. That's a K with a K, okay. And Ben is at Ben Mandelker. You can find us on Instagram, Twitter. I think that's it, right? It might be a grinder these days. So that's it for us. Yeah, that's pretty much Instagram. Listen, Instagram, Twitter, you just give us a follow.

I'm still hoping, I'm still working my way up to getting that Instagram blue dot someday. Someday I'll be notable enough to get one. I find that perplexing that you, all star of the world, they need to like check their systems out. That's an atrocious. Thank you, Kate. Thank you.

That's what I, that's what I messaged them. I said, you need to check your systems out. That's an atrocious. Thank you, Kate. Thank you. That's what I, that's what I, that's what I message them. I said, you need to check your systems out because I have been written up in a local newspaper, okay? Yeah. I'm also Kate for our listeners because we are going to be posting this on our feed too. Tell us where you, we can find to you. Well, the show is reality life with KKC and I'm interviewing reality stars, directors, and executive producers of reality TV shows, DocuSeries, and documentaries all year long. You can find me on Twitter at at KKC. My Instagram is at KKC, C-A, and I also have a Patreon that's just patreon.com backslashkkC. That's it. Right on. Well. Thank you so much. Can you guys happy new year happy new to you happy new year happy new year everyone out there you two watch what

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