Watch What Crappens - RHOP: Cookies and Monsters

Episode Date: February 28, 2023

Part two of the Real Housewives of Potomac reunion (S7E19) features accusations of cookie eating at Bar One and a frank conversation about colorism. Plus, Jac is back!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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What happens What crap What What What Happens when there's so what if Hello and welcome to Watch Our Crappins, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about, unbend Mandelker joining me today.

For a very exciting weekend, Mr. Ronnie Caram, hi Ronnie, how are you? Well hello there, Benoons. Hi, your back home in Austin, safe and sound. Yes, I was making fun of Adriana's butt my food at our show in Phoenix and hit my Achilles tendon on a chair. And slowly but surely it got worse and worse and I literally limped out of L.A. half all hung over after the crappies and I just came home and crashed face down on my bed and slept for like 12 hours.

It was glorious. So wait, so in some Phoenix or Scottsdale, wait, so you hit your foot on the chair? Like how did you hit your foot on the chair? Do you remember? Okay, so we were sitting on the chair and I had my legs kind of lifted up because I was, I don't know, I was talking about her wheelchair or something.

And then I like slammed forward to say something and then it slammed my Achilles tendon into the chair leg. Wow, I don't know if I'm explaining that right, but an incredibly stupid way, basically. That's what happened. I hurt my foot in an incredibly stupid way I hate that's that that's almost always how it happens. Yeah, it's never something hot It's always some dumb fucking way like I'm gonna die by like I know just like closing the dishwasher wrong and getting my Pinkie my pinky stuck in it and then's going to turn on an electric cutie. You know, it's like, I'm going to die some stupid way like that.

Yeah, me know what's funny. My friend, Leah, she just actually had surgery on her. I think her ACL or MCL on Friday because she got into, she had a skiing accident and led to that. So I texted her, but like, how's it going? She's like, oh, I'm doing well. I'm just happy that this is how I ruptured my ACL because all my friends have been reaching out about

how they ruptured it by standing up or like. And I was like, I know, I remember my French teacher in seventh grade, she fucked up her foot by walking across her carpet. So she was like, yeah, I'm just happy I have a good story. I was doing something cool. So she was like, yeah, I'm just happy I have a good story. I was doing something cool. Yeah, I'll go on him, jealous.

Oh, I know. I was looking up ACL, but then I went to ACLU. Now I feel really guilty. Oh, no, did you rupture civil rights organizations? No, I know, I ruptured my civil rights. But also I want to go to Austin City limits for some music. What is an ACL?

Achilles. I don't remember what it was. Oh God it's your Achilles. Did I tear it? Oh Jesus. Is this serious? Just say that you tore it blank football. Oh well not do I have to go to a doctor?

I'm coming. I mean it's a matter of. Oh it's a matter of. Oh it's a matter of. Oh it's a matter of. Oh it's a matter of. Oh it's a matter of. Oh it's a matter of. Oh it's a matter of. Oh it's a matter of time. It's a materior, cruciate, lemonade, ligament. Okay, that's what it is. Everybody yelling at your car right now

and hitting your steering wheel. It's an anterior, cruciate, ligament. Well, I'm sure they'll listen. We have many doctors and is there a thing that our audience may have? They'll message you and they'll give you some advice. I'm sure. But that shit's in your knee.

Why are you telling me my foot? I'm fine, everybody. Vince is trying to make me think about it. ACL here. Oh yeah, you're right. You're ACLs. Well, I'm sure that shit's in your knee. Why are you telling me my foot? I'm fine everybody. Ben's just trying to make me think about it. I'll be here. Oh, yeah, you're a serious. Yeah, I'm just saying. I'm just saying, you know, a few inches away and your foot could have shattered into a thousand pieces. But my foot. But my foot. Anyway, the point is, thank you so much to everyone who gave us a great weekend. I mean, both shows were lit. The Scottsdale Phoenix show. We've never had that much fun there. Yeah, we definitely walked off the stage there. Like, that was the best show we've ever had here.

Everybody was so much fun. There was so much energy in the room. We met so many people who came alone and left with like big groups of people. People from Saskatoon. Yes. Or Saskatoon, right? Saskatoon. Saskatoon. Yes. Or Saskatchewan. And I should say, we're both. Oh, I was like, where? So then the next day, yeah, Los Angeles, that was great. So we get to LA, it's raining, it's horrible, they're gonna have a blizzard, all this other stuff. We're like, well, we're doing this no matter what, right? Like, we can't just put it off.

So we go, it's two hours, two or three hours, been I think before the show is supposed to start. And we get fucking amber alert type messages, natural disasters that pop up on everybody's phone, citywide, like everybody's phone at the same time with BAM! Do not leave your home! We are forcing everyone to stay in tolls, the zombies are here! And then you turn on the TV and there's like cars floating in rivers down the street and shit. Oh my god. It was like the like the biggest show of the year and the biggest theater we've ever done. And to get that message at like three, there was, there was so much coordination that goes into the crappies.

I mean, you know, it's just like a lot, and you're hurting cats, you're trying, there's all these things, and it's almost entirely all just the two of us doing it. And we finally have everything I like scratched off, like, and that was my last thing I might to do list. I'm now ready for the show, and it's like, Aaaaah!

No one come. And so then, you know, we had several guest presenters who had to back out understandably because they live in, you know, high risk areas, you know, like if you live in a chaos, it's like a legitimate, you know, dangerous thing. So like we had people backing out, we had to rearrange like things around.

It was just like chaotic and crazy But we wouldn't have it any other way it was so for people who did come out Really appreciate that and so many people actually came out I'd love the spirit of this show and the audience because nobody gave a fuck they were like unless they literally could not leave their home They were like we're coming. I I mean, it was still pouring down rain. Everybody just came in soaked. The guests came in soaked. Like nobody gave a thought.

Everybody had the best time. Katie and Walter, the orchestra, our crappers, were so, so good and so funny. I mean, what a dream might. You know, we've got to meet some really cool people that might and some really cool listeners. So guys, thank you so much for giving us such a great, great, great night. Yeah.

And also, thanks to our guest presenters who showed up. So we had an amazing slate. So the people who showed up who we really want to thank for coming out and doing the show with us. MJ from Shaza Sunset, Rose Ab MJ from Chas, the sunset, Rose, Abdu from Hax, Kate Flattery from the office, Ariana Maddox, Deala Riddle from Southside, Kelti Knight from E in the Lady Gang, Kristina Ariel from the Higher Public Podcast, Jake Anthe from Reality Gaze, Katie and Walter. Ryan Bailey who also did a very fun Instagram

social media stuff with Rebecca Leib on our social media, Courtney Franer from Two Judgy Girls, Gigi Monique from Taco Shame, and we also had also a huge thanks to the Bravo Lebrides who, who, who, who, who, who, who videoed in, so Kate Chastain and Aisha Scott and Margaret Joseph and Lisa Barlow. Thank you to everyone who, who took the time. It was, I know it was a very busy time and the weather was crazy.

So it was really cool that you guys all helped us do this show. And also the fact that again, when those lights came up, when Rod and I went out on stage, and the lights came up and we saw that like, there were so many people in the theater. I thought it was gonna be like half full, and that just a people rallied and they showed up. And they were loud and they were with us the whole night,

and they were cheering and making noise. And they were, they were, we'd announce winners and people would be on their feet. They're fizz pumping, you know, just like, it was such a great energy in that room. So honestly, thank you so much to everyone who made that night possible. Yes, if you wanna watch it, it's still up over.

You can catch the link, still at watchrootcrapins.com for streaming tickets that will be released on our main feed, the audio only, but that will be released next week. So we just wanted to give people a week to catch the video of the whole show while they can. So feel free to go over there and get the link from our crappensite watch it crappens.com. Also our new shows are coming up. We've still got a whole season of shows. We're not gonna give you this whole list every day because we know it will probably make us all fucking crazy

doing that, but our next shows that are coming up, we begin March 9th in Charlotte, North Carolina, then Atlanta, that same weekend. And then the 23rd of March, we're going to be in Denver Salt Lake City. And then the 30th, we're going to be in Seattle and San Francisco. So just in March alone, we've got Charlotte, Atlanta, Denver, Salt Lake City, Seattle and San Francisco.

Go get your tickets or watch what crap ends. Oh, John, oh, go. And lastly, of course, one last thing, a major congratulations to the Real Housewives of Miami, which was like the upset winner of the crappies this year. Beverly Hills was dominating the show and Miami won Best Show. And so huge congrats to Miami and huge congrats to Garcelle Bofay, who was named Bravo Liberty of the year, so cool. And of course, all the rest of the winners, you can catch on Moment House by watching the

telecasts. Okay. So today, let's jump into some real housewives of Potomac. Now, this is reunion part two. And then they announced at the end of the show that next week, it's a 90 minute reunion part three. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, you're trying me now You're trying to know but it's probably because of it's because of Robin they probably have to wedge in all this like Robin footage which by the way, I don't need it. I actually don't need it like

Like you know one there was this whole you know She did her thing on watch happens live so understand they need to it they want to weave it into the reunion to address it That's fine. I actually don't need unseen because I actually don't care much more beyond the fact that it happened I don't need details. I don't need I don't need to see that much more of her screaming in her hypocrisy Like she gets she's already dinged for the hypocrisy like it's already there. I don't I don't need like I Don't need this to be a whole, you know, Barbara Walter special, RIP. Yeah, it's not really that big of a deal to me at this point.

I mean, Robin, whoa, Robin didn't put something on camera that was completely humiliating to her. I'm shocked. I think if it was actually Robin who was coming straight for everybody about their marriages, but she did try to stick up for Candace and stuff when all that stuff was happening in the beginning.

So whatever, I'm not saying who's right or wrong, I just don't meet another hour of it. I already watch a watch what happens live thing and they're already putting in mis footage or whatever unseen footage of it from that to here. And they're already doing black and white like Sobs are happening But don't you remember Robin's interview where she's like what?

What's a big deal. I'm so sorry. I didn't bring it up, but like I didn't even think about it That's all she's kind of saying Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean, I think the reading's been great so far But I think it's just from from my perspective of like As a podcaster and having just gone to this hell week and then to hear like guess what? 30 extra minutes of work you have to do Yeah, that's how really we got it personally We're like, oh, but not now. It's like the last day before summer school announces like it's gonna double It's time. last day before summer school announces like it's gonna double its time.

Go like, wait a minute, we're supposed to get out early before spring break, not stay late, you assholes. Yeah. So yes, and it's a selfish thing for sure. It's truly, like I feel like for everyone else, it's like great, but for me, I'm just like, oh, that's, because it's 30 more minutes of content, which means probably like another 45 minutes

or an hour of work to do. I'm taking this. And Bravo, don't apologize, hour of work to do. I'm taking care of it. And Bravo, don't apologize because honestly, as far as I'm concerned, you can take the apology and you can shove it up your ass. Your dwindling uterus was waiting for you to put this on. You just had a waiting dwindling uterus to put this on TV. So that's where this episode begins with Candace saying that and basically saying, you know, like, you're dwindling uterus is, you know, like, you could have put your dwindling uterus on TV.

That could have been your storyline, but instead you would rather malign and fuck with people's families and use this show to lie on people. Yes. And also, people who ask us sometimes like, why do you do Wendy who always has a w in whatever she's saying, you know, it wasn't a good sentence to illustrate the w that we add into her sentences. This was a very, this was, there she is. So Wendy is like, well, there's now become a clear pattern with this happening over and over again with people's husbands and you have a problem, but it's always coincidentally why when filming starts and Candice is like, yeah, instead of talking about her uniris and what's happening in her personal life, she would

rather mine and fuck with people's families. And then we get to see the whole Dwindling uterus thing again. I am saying it twice in a row because they aired it twice in a row. Yeah, okay. You just keep going. They just love the Dwindling uterus. Yeah, you're just being they just love the dwindling uterus. Yeah, you're you're just being you're being faithful to the source material You know dwindling uterus is like the let it be of our time. It's just kept playing it never stopped playing on the radio

Yeah, yeah, it's that's a hit So like my current you like my current callback. I like well, it's better than saying it's like It's the happy by for L. You know what? Twintly Guterus is like the fly me to the moon. A bunch of Guterus is like the it's like that awful Justin Timberlake song from the trolls movie. Oh, I don't know what that was. You know's a feeling. You know, it's like, oh God, plaguing every wedding in Barman's foot for the next 30 years, that song.

Good. I was just so proud of the trolls in that movie because they had been on pencils for so long. And you know, you're like, they're over. Like, no one was inviting them to parties, you know? We're like, don't you remember the trolls? We're like, yeah, they were so ugly. Like, that was what they left.

And then they got a movie We know it's pretty good. I honor them use I'm I'm excited for the first troll real-house wife It'll happen my dwindling unres Honors out. I think I said unres but whatever. Okay, so she's doing her twinkling universe song and dance again and then She's like yeah, and then you sat on Karen's couch and table with Robin and said Christmas draw apologize To you and just so goes yes, and she's like what did he do to you? Just tell you still haven't said what he did to you and she goes um he made

yourself you still haven't said what he did to you and she goes um he made me be a lack uncomfortable is what he did to you enter her enter her it's what I told everybody yeah she did fool just el voice in that response like she she found a way to make the word made two syllables which is she made she made da, me uncomfortable. She was me imitating you imitating her. It was like a lot of imitations. Yeah, I really felt like that, what you your whole thing about Wendy, it was like, I feel like I had that moment with Giselle

where it was like here, Giselle's doing a impersonation. So, by the way, it's funny, because my wedding impersonation, it's just my impersonation of you doing it Like there are certain impersonations where it's like I don't have a take on this. So I'm just gonna impersonate Ronnie That's what my Wendy is that's my my Wendy's I do it. I do it all the time and they crack it. Yeah So and he's like so Well, wasn't the major uncomfortable that you were alone with that you were alone in a room with him and

she was, yes, saw. And he's like, oh, is this something that he did to make you feel like? Were there decades of ideas involved in this room? And Ash is like, yeah, was it like the body language? She's trying to help, Dizel. And Dizel says, what, I feel like this is all about semantics, saw. And he goes, yeah, but it is. It is semantics.

And Candice is like, you're using semantics against him. I'm anti-Somantics. Sorry, Andy. Can we take that out? Can we take that out? So Mia's like, well, she said she didn't want to be in a room with a married man, being herself. And Jizel's like, Candice saw. I feel like you made this a bigger issue than it was. She said she didn't want me being a room with them married me and bane herself and just

I was like Candice saw I feel like you made this a bigger issue than it was and Candice is like no ma'am No ma'am. Well, you couldn't just say no, okay You can't say no, okay, and so Candice is like you had six months Plus to bring this to me as an issue and you purposely talked to me you played me in my face You came around me and you were in my space and you waited until to me. You played me in my face, you came around me and you were in my space and you waited until you had a camera in your face and used to use an audience of millions of people.

To which I say, Candace is absolutely correct. Boop, boop, boop, boop. This is Giselle's job. Giselle's job is to save the stuff for the camera, even though yes, it's kind of terrible thing to put on camera because it does really like, it's just like, it's a reach and it's a harmful reach. But then at the other hand, I also feel like, you know, aren't we, if Jizzel really was

uncomfortable by something, are we gonna shame someone about the timeline in which they felt comfortable to come forward with that too? I know this makes it sound way heavier than Jiselle just being messy, but these are the things that went through my head all at once. Well the thing is Candace holds on to the annoyance about it. So, like she is still, when Candace has heard about something, she's always still heard about it years later as she was in the moment that it happened 10 years ago. Like, and this situation was from this season, but it never calms down. And Jacelle's trick is she comes in and she's like, what was the big deal?

It was not a big deal at all. Every single time with Jacelle, it's like, what? I don't even understand why you're mad. I barely said anything. And Jizelle suits you into this dream state, where you believe her. I'm like, oh, yeah, it was no big deal. What's a big deal? Why is Candace still so mad? And I actually commend Candace for keeping her anger with this because of course she hasn't reason to be mad Jiselle took a totally innocent thing of a husband trying to smooth things over after a reunion I've tried to be like listen. We don't need to fight. This is ridiculous She didn't mean that I wish you guys could just talk and Jiselle turned it into a moment of you know possible assault

Or that he was leering and trying to cheat with her. To further someone else's storyline, she probably knew was a lie about trying to make this man into a cheater, you know? And I don't have to be a huge christen to see that this is just fucking wrong and Jiselle's an asshole. And I'm really glad that Candice kept that energy

and was like, no, fuck you. And just kept letting her have it every time Jiselle tried to back out of the space, you know? have it every time Jisel tried to back out of the space you know it's like Jisel tries to back out of the space but then You know the delivery truck would just back up right enough so she couldn't get up Commissions here comes one right now I'm going to say something scandalous Ron. Go on. Plants are meat. And not only are they meat, they're delicious, especially if they're from impossible foods. They taste like beef.

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juicy details you can only hear from us. Stream and just like that season 2 is starting June 22nd on Max, and listen to end just like that the right is room on Max or wherever you get your podcasts. You know who really has gotten away, Scott Frey is Ashley, because this all started with Ashley. Ashley's the one who was like, oh Chris was, you know, getting in, he was like, he was dropping in my DMs, trying to like, say like, oh, Chris was, you know, getting, he was like, he was dropping in my DMs trying to like, say, like, come on over, come on over.

And Chris was, he had written some like, very innocent messages. And when she shared that with, with, Jacelle, Jacelle was like, you know, it's funny to say that because actually, Chris made me feel a little uncomfortable, you know, after the reunion. And, where Jacelle went really wrong, though, is that then she started saying things like, I don't know, like maybe you're trying to get with me. I don't know, da, da, da, da, da, da. Like if she just left it,

it was like it felt uncomfortable being in that room with him. Then I think she probably would have been in a better place with all this, but because she had it all that and because she was the one who confronted, who blindsided Candace with it because Ashley didn't blindside Candace, Ashley took her to dinner alone and said,

Hey, I just want you to know I'm letting you know about this. Candace was cool with it. But when Giselle did it, is that that TikTok thing and Candace felt blindsided? So Giselle, Giselle is all, you know, looks terrible in this, perhaps just a file. So, but Ashley is the one who kind of really just skated right on by. She did it, but Candace couldn't get mad at Ashley because that's what Candace did when she outed Michael. So that's exactly what she did. She sat her down and said, listen,

I'm going to bring this up, but I wanted it to be not in front of everybody because I don't want to blindside you with it. This is what I heard about Michael and this is on the blog and this was in the text or whatever that whole thing was. And so now, actually, it's coming to her to be the exact same thing. Like, okay, we're going to lunch. I'm doing this as a friend. I don't want you to get blindsided. So, Candace is like, okay, I will accept this because you've done it in the terms that

I have set. You know what? You've done it in the way that I've set. And so, she seemed fine with that, but then Jisal goes into semantics again, because Mia says, well, once around that acknowledging your friend was treated inappropriately in buying your husband, and Jisal's like, it wasn't inappropriate. I was uncomfortable lah. Right. And so Andy's like, well, I think that you and Krish determine what was uncomfortable when he gets out here.

So by the way, production showed the moment when Chris was allegedly flirting with your friend Deborah Ashley. And they show this clip of Deborah looking crazy. Her eyes are like bulging and she's shaking her head and they intentionally put like the most kuku shot of Deborah in there. Yes. And they should, you know, it's kind of film, it's film grainy footage from like the corner of a restaurant, you know,

ring cam or what do you call those like ring security cam or whatever. And you know, it's that thing where she's like, oh, I know Chris, my husband's a Chris, he's like, well, there's a lot of us. Like, yeah, he wanted to bang me or whatever. So, Andy's like, so when you saw the footage, what did you think? And she's like, well, there's a lot of us. Like, yeah, he wanted a bang-bait or whatever. So Andy's like, so when you saw the footage, what did you think?

And she's like, well, it was a little surprising because it didn't match with Debra told me. And she wasn't really eating a cookie where crumbs were flying out all over and Chris was trying to catch him with his mouth. But she said that if you watch the footage, the words don't match the images. I'm like, maybe it's because it was a 7-Eleven camera taped to the corner of a fucking...

corner of a restaurant. Right. So, um, yeah. Uh, so, uh, she says... She says, yeah, that like, yeah, it wasn't matching. And then Ashley also says that, uh, like the happy-dy thing was a reach as well. And he's like, yeah, I mean, he smiled at someone I mean. So when he's like, that was a very big reach.

It was almost as if the women would get uncomfortable whenever the men would show any sort of normal respect or decency. And unfortunately, the men within this group are unable to even communicate with the other women in this group for fear. They may be pegged as something that they're not. No, stop it, pegged, stop it, pegged. This is the show that put Michael Derby on the air.

Let's just stop it there. Okay, anybody else? Yeah. So, and he's like, well, let's talk about the Instagram live video you made Candace. When so we see the clip of Candace saying, like all these bitches are fake, you know blah blah blah and it's like you said fuck these hose none of them are loyal and they're just trying to pedal their businesses. I just

I need to make a little clip of Andy saying you said fuck these hose. I love Andy reading off cards of quotes on the show. And so Candace goes, actually I said across these here, United States. And yes, that is what I said. And then you told Robin and Karen that you didn't mean it. Now you didn't mean it to them. So it's my understanding though, Robin,

that she also said nice things about you and your business in that clip. And Robin's like, I didn't watch the whole clip. Then shut up Robin. What are you Alexia? You just scrolled on the bottom of this sit. Get out of here with that.

Yeah, that's not a good defense, right? So Karen's like, hmm, who sent you that lip? And Robin's like, it was on a blog. It was an article on a blog. And when you're talking about peddling businesses, the only two people I would have thought you were talking about would have been Ashley or Jacelle. Neither one had businesses at that time. And I have a business and Wendy has a business and Karen has a business and Mia has

to join. So she's talking about all of this and I was in my feelings in the way that Candice was treating me. What are you talking about? So Candace says, well, you literally could have come to me and been like bitch, you've been talking about my business? Fuck you.

And Robin's like, well, I just felt like everyone should hear her. I mean, tell me this, why are you so upset that I'm playing the words that you said for people? I don't understand. And she's like, because you're my friend.

And if I heard you say something like that, I'd go up to you and ask you, but you tried to shame me in front of the group, you shamed me. And it was stupid because you embarrassed yourself. I was embarrassed. You were the one who looked embarrassed. You know, I think whenever it gets in this space of like the arguments are about like how we conduct a conference

You didn't pull me aside or you waited till on camera I feel like that's always like a bad sign. That's a that's a sign of like self-producing Starting to come around the corner because the people who are eager to put on a good show They don't get everything just out there and that's just what they do, you know. So then it's also a way of getting getting away with never having to answer for anything. Which I feel like Candace has gotten really good at, you know. Yes. Like Candace really still hasn't had to answer for why did you go on Instagram and say, fuck all these, like that was a nice saying fuck everybody.

And then like it was a little unfair of you to then turn it around to be mad at everyone else when you were the one who just went on your national platform with millions of people and called them all dirty hos or yeah and then what ever you called them lying hos. Yeah and then Rob actually says you know you get upset when it's quote-unquote done on camera which is not fair but we're all here and when we're filming everything We should just like like we're just when we're filming everything we do should just be on camera At which point I'm sure everyone the audience just laughs and conveniently We then go to two weeks later and Andy storm lightning Well, I heard from Candace today and she's really angry and disabointed and she feels betrayed

by you and she's like, well, what, what is that? What is what I'm going through? And what I share have to do with her and Chris. Well, I think it's what you did, Sher, okay? And then we see the thread of Candace going off and it says, wow, a thread. Our boss's favorite clap back when we're playing coy about certain aspects of our lives is your honor reality show about your life. There's an expectation of doing no harm.

We show up to this platform as our authentic selves and while we reserve the right to be judicious about what we share, there is a special brand of audacity attached to individuals who will knowingly bury the lead in exchange for a damning and salacious lies that stand to accuse a reprobble harm to innocent people. It's like it's just the beginning of a little shop of horrors. Who wrote this? It's so theatrical.

We preserve the right to be judicious in what we share. Okay, Candace Jesus Christ. Turn off the spotlight. Well back at the reunion Suzy from Kurt says Candace, I'm glad you made up with Robbins and she stood up for you against Jacelle, but when you made up with Robin, you said you looked up to her the most in the group. What about Wendy? the Robin, you said you looked up to her the most in the group. What about Wendy? And Candace is like, I don't understand this thing that I have to have one girlfriend that I love more. I'm like, hello, have you never seen the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City?

Do you not know about like the competition for being right or the highest of people? That's kind of like a Real Housewives thing. Yeah. And Wendy is like, yes, but when you said she is the most loyal to you and then within five minutes She put the JBL on the speaker. I looked over and I said this this is the most loyal to you. And she goes okay Okay, yeah, that's that's right. Okay, she backs down. She's like I'm not gonna go fight with Wendy over a damn Bluetooth speaker

You know, right so Robyn's like ladies. It's not a competition here. We all equally hate Karen. Yeah. Ladies, ladies, ladies, ladies. Guess what? It's time for lunch. And the producer's like, uh, hold on one second. Oh, oh, hey, don't you have to say it. We'll be right back. I'm a podcast right now. I know how to do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll be right back. I know I know how to do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll be right back.

Even though we've never seen a podcast, we've even heard what the word podcast was until we became a top podcast in America. Thank you. Thank you. So now the husbands are showing up at back stage and everything. Candace is glam squad is all wearing her t-shirt that says, not today's Satan, not today neck, not today,

ankles just forces them to wear her merch, which is hilarious hilarious and and then Wendy sees Eddie and she's like well we did a few segments and Mia brought you up three times three times yeah she said because my husband is in an opportunistic and pictures of me getting wheeled in the hospital and I said oh you want one and so then Candace is saying hi to G because she's passing by G and she's like, you look nice with your mascot. And he's like, sorry, I'm not going to be hugging anyone today. And she's like, yeah, we wouldn't want anyone to feel uncomfortable. Yeah. And yeah, so they're just, they're just like some like chitchat backstage and then they're back on back on set and

and We're back! Oh, sorry, I got to change my tampon Robin just walks off. Yeah Glad we got that in there. Yeah, got it in there. So Jizelle You're dealing with the health scare and as soon and you're soon to be in an empty nest dealing with a health scare and as soon as you're in an empty nest, have you purchased a large dog that slappers everywhere and can go running on the beaches of Miami with him? Please tell me, and if Joe assumes he moves in next door, that's even better. But in True Gizell form, you just keep on pushing.

You produced a sweet 16 and did a live show while you're a Karen produced? Well, we're still trying to figure that out. Yeah, so we see the clips of Karen kind of disinger home and then reasonably shady and Karen taking notes like I'm taking notes on what not to do. And then stealing the idea from Jacelle for live show and then saying that her inspiration was her friendship with Wendy Williams and that she's a mwamidla Ali of live shows. And now that I'm just pointing all that out because Jacelle's entire montage

of her season was Karen. Yeah, that's funny. It's true. So the entire thing was like Karen's greatest hits. So right when we get into the conversation about how much Giselle does for this show. So then we finally get into the biopsy part and he asked her some small questions like how the girls, how is the the home? Congrats on the pod. And Robin said we've done 80 episodes and we've got four million downloads and we've never even listened to a podcast before. Indeed. So we didn't invent it, but we kind of reinvented it. Yeah. And everybody's like, well, that's not wise. It's, well, we're successful. Don't hate. All right, well, Pat from Ty says, Karen, the comment denominator of ladies on the show

do the same thing at the same time is you. Did you see all the idea to do a live show from Robin and Giselle like you did with Wendy's candles? Mm-hmm. Well, I'm really glad that you asked this question, Abby. Mm-hmm. I know I'll do respect to Wendy. I launched my fragrance four years ago.

Hmm, I announced my accountals would be next after that. And I was very gracious to Wendy by not announcing my accountals when you brought your accountals over to my house because that would have been a double announcement. I left my announcements as a season finale announcement because I'm carrying into your Wendy who has to pet it your candles round round You might as well have just brought over some thinments And as for my live show actually I believe that I announced my live show first when we do that first scene in the park

I think just I wasn't quite gone there yet I believe I said something we all laughed and it was well documented on the show I think we had many flashbacks to it is not right I didn't quite come there yet. I believe I said something we all laughed and it was well documented on the show. I think we had many flashbacks to it. It's not right. Just always like, what's the next question? Yeah. He's like, well, men from Toe's Freshness Full of Life

says Karen, I think that your show would owe some things to the Countess' show, right? She's like, hmm, countis's show, right? She's like Countis Oh, no, it's a countis, you know, the show she does she's no no, but you know Ashley came to mind and we turned it into a variety show But the talk thing it's it's nothing nothing like the park is whatsoever No, not talking about countis Vaughan. I'm talking about countis Luando accepts Not familiar not familiar, I'm not talking about Countis Vaughan. I'm talking about Countis Luando asps. Not familiar. Not familiar, I'm sorry. Um, so let's see here. Oh, she says, oh, and you asked me my inspiration? Let me tell

you, I've had time for that to give me an answer. Carro Burnett. Oh my god. You. That's my I'm always talking on my nose Those balls of steel and then he's like I thought you said it was Wendy Williams Oh, okay, and you be shady I get it. Oh, I'll say these shade But you can come to Philadelphia. I have a VIP ticket for you Andy He's like all right. Well well, who or what is a ladom? Oh, well, you know, I have a lot of love on social media, Andy, and so I named them all ladoms.

That's why I say ladoms rise. And she tells like, and when you say ladoms rise, does anyone stand up? Bosh. Yes, yes, yes, on social media, yes. And if I say lad ladam, rise at my 300 person, so that's how I'm sure they'll rise. And he's like, okay, well, if there was a group of Robbins, what would they

be? He's like, boring. Well, Hilaria from Boston market, how you say cucumber says, how was Jazeal feeling? Boston market, how you say cucumber says, how is Juzelle feeling? And, and Juzelle's basically talks about the his direct to me and how she got a lot of feedback from women and like, you know, a lot of people were happy that she's shared her story and Candace is just like scoffing and Candace is like, well, it's the first time

you were real about something. She's like angry that Juzelle shared her hits direct to me, which is kind of crazy. And but Juzelle then says that it was like a really traumatic surgery. It was like, it was supposed to be a like a three and a half hour surgery, but it wound up being eight and a half hours. And the kids were really scared.

And she was really scared and she was supposed to be dismissed from the hospital, not to dismiss, but, you know, dispatched from the hospital release. And she had to stay overnight and so the kids were really, really freaking up. And so Jazelle starts choking up and she goes, uh, we'll talk about it later. And then he's like, no, we'll talk about it right now. I was like, whoa, wow, okay. It was a different Andy today.

I think Andy has gotten past that part of just being exhausted by having children. I think someone was like, Andy, you're very rich and it's okay to just use an Andy for everything. The children should basically be able to vaguely recognize you at this point beyond that you're overdoing it, you know, because he's getting sleep. And I think he did a really good job with this reunion. And we give him a lot of shit about these reunions. And I think it was a really good job with this reunion. And we give him a lot of shit about these reunions. And I think it was pretty good on this one. He was.

That's coming up to this next segment. But yeah, I think he did a really good job. So he's like, no, we'll talk about it now. So she gets all upset and is talking about how her sister, who knew she had a sister. Did you know that? Yes. I think she was in a, I think the sister, oh no, I'll see you about the mom.

I'll see you about her mom, never mind. I don't know if I knew about the sister. Bring me some sister, thanks. Dear profile. So, her sister was supposed to be getting updates, but they weren't updating her for hours. And so everyone was like, what's going on? You know, did mom, what's going on?

They weren't getting any, and also she was supposed to only be there for the day and be an outpatient, but she never came home and nobody ever called them. Yeah. So it's just terrible. I mean, can we get some better fucking customer service? Like what the hell? Yeah, it's, it's, it's scary. And like her bladder was compromised and stuff like that.

So Andy's like, well, glad you're okay and glad you're happy about it. And people are always on to share more of your personal life. And you're on a reality show. So it seems like there's a lot of you, there's a lot of you don't want to talk about yet. And you know, you have an expectation of everyone else talking about everything else.

You see how I transitioned from his direct-to-me talk into making it an example of how hypocritical you are about how much you talk about your own personal life, huh? And just all the way. Meanwhile, they just keep cutting the canvas mugging to the camera like, hmm, gross. Hate her, you know? Yeah, she's like, that's not true.

I have talked about it on camera. If production doesn't want to show that duh camera if production doesn't want to show that Da then production doesn't want to show that da but I'm definitely not going to sit with people I don't like and talk about my health issues Zaa She points to Wendy and Wendy goes I don't like you too So happy because but do you do do not see their friends? She's like if I ask anyone here a question and they don't answer they don't know how to do this, but do you do or do not see a difference?

If I ask anyone here a question and they don't answer, they don't have to. Here's like, oh really? You drag people if they don't. Candace is like, yeah, you bully people. I mean, he goes, this is what cancer longs like? That's what she said to me. Yeah, and so, um, Sandy is like, by the way, I may be the first person to actually ask this, but I'm curious. What's the deal with your friend Steve? I'm assuming you're not with him anymore, now that

you're with someone significantly more attractive and interesting from Winterhouse, am I right? When Candace is doing her big cartoon yawn thing. And Andy starts asking me about Jason, because Jacelle said that she sees Steve when he comes to town, but she doesn't ask him to come to town. But Jason asks me when he can come to town. And Andy asks if he's met the girls, and yes, they all had lunch, and they love Jason.

And... And with Jason at 36, he asked about the age difference. Jason 36. I thought Jason was 22. I didn't like who's 36. All this time, I thought he was like a young whippersnapper. So that's all especially surprised with Jacelle and Jason. Yeah, he's definitely older than I thought to. I didn't think that. I thought maybe like 28, you know, I literally thought he was like 22, 23. Yeah, Southern Charms in Oj show, because some of the people that cast are 22

and then they're like, and Kyle, you know? Like, so then they start teasing her about the age difference and she's like, I'm not a mathematician. Nah, Rob is like a 16 years difference. 16 years difference. Yeah, so he has an earth G. Yeah So as it an and he's like it's like well next season if you're still dating Jason Are we gonna see him on the show? I'm just kidding of course we won't he's barely on the shows. He's already a cast member of. Okay.

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So we get some Wendy clips and it's literally kidney stones drinking more water and then the Peter restaurant. So, and he's like, you know, did you, and he's like, did you talk to people who would own business about getting into the restaurant business? And she's like, I did, but Ashley said, yeah, I wonder about it, but she's also partnering with somebody

who knows the business. I mean, he's got Peter Spru, bar one, Peter's patio, Peter's glove box. And he's like, uh, Mia, can you explain your relationship with Peter? And Candace says, uh, yeah, you and G were sleeping with his girlfriend, right? Yeah. And, and she's like, um, yeah, so so um, like it wasn't his girlfriend.

Neha had a thing, like we had a thing with his girlfriend, but she's not his girlfriend anymore, right? And he's like, um, okay, so she wasn't his girlfriend at the time. Now, okay, so, yeah, I didn't understand why you threw a drink at Wendy. She didn't really say anything bad about your husband and all the stuff with Peter's business had nothing to do with you. And honestly, I'm just surprised that you're accorded enough to pick up a glass and throw it in direction. Well, Andy, it's the same reason I go to regurgitate other lines from famous housewives.

I'm an empty fousome trying to keep a check. Thank you. And so she's like, you know, I was talking, I mean, Wendy is basically, she said something about like, wow, she was saying these things and Wendy's like, that's not true. I'm talking to Andy and I ain't had enough. Okay, I'd had enough. Well, it seems like whatever the drama was between her and Peter, you were trying to make it

something more than maybe what it is. Well, I did not intend to argue with Wendy. I think I just like poorly delivered the message, emphasis on poorly as in I actively poured water on her. I was trying to talk about business and she wanted to talk about the math and Andy.

And what do you say? What are you talking about? And Candice goes, no, no, no. You took it to the other level because you threw the drink at her and then she responded with all the stuff you didn't like. And when he's like, yeah, are you kidding? You're sitting here, you're late. A pretending you don't know what you did wrong.

You assaulted me and don, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you you want receipts if you're getting Peter your cookie to get your own bar one Oh God everyone just groans because Mia is just so bad at this I know it's so bad at it when he goes fuck you forever So she's like you know you're just saying this because you want to say it And so Andy just started hiding behind one of his cue cards Which means he's like loving it anyone has has to hide a smile. And so me is like, she had dinner with him before filming and they had a whole on-train and I heard about it. In my one, I saw the camera. I mean, she's so full of shit. It's hilarious. She gets out, welcomed into

the security camera. Like, you think Peter's gonna show her? I mean, Peter might actually, Peter's messy, but still. Yeah, Peter's gonna bang Wendy on a restaurant table and then keep the footage to show people, come on now. And if so, we would see this footage, right? Yeah. But they're just all laughing at her, you know? And Andy's like, so wait, did they have the cookie for dinner? And Candace goes, no, Andy, she gave him the cookie allegedly.

The cookie is the vagina. He's like, I know, I know, I know what it means. I know. And when he's like, you're fucking for lobsters. Oh yeah, man, I'm mad tonight. You're fucking lobsters. Yeah, you're fucking lobsters. You're fucking for lobsters.

She says, yeah. She says, yeah, well, we don't all fuck the lobsters. And then it cuts to a clip of Mia cutting into lobster tail and like porn music playing. Yeah. So then a pack for man says, Robin, you kept calling Wendy antagonistic. How is it possible to antagonize someone after they throw a drink in your face? And she's like, no, okay. So first of all, let me say, I don't know how I would react if someone threw a drink on me. And she's like no okay so first of all let me say I don't know how I would react if someone threw a drink on me and then he's like hmm I have a feeling it wouldn't be good I saw the umbrella scene let's roll it let's roll it so we get to see the infamous

umbrella scene and she's like yeah but that scene was she told me to get out of her face and I did and everyone in the world has the right to retaliate how they want to however I did not want to see her fight on television and Karen goes oh really and then why the fight or shut up I'm just no let me answer let me answer everybody because you kept going and going and I said if she want to fight then fight and if you don't want to fight Then sit down and that's the part the people are missing so then we've seen unseen footage clip where she's saying Listen you do not want to fight Wendy. You don't want to fight on camera because if she comes over and pops you in the mouth because you won't stop your blah blah blah and

You know it's to make you look bad. So if you want to fire her ass, fire her ass when the camera's going. She's saying she's saying kick her ass after hours, basically. Yeah. So Wendy is like, she's like, well, even with that context, that doesn't change anything for me because I had just been physically assaulted not once but twice But you looked in you look at me and say you're being antagonistic If somebody anybody hits dumbass me a right now. I would say hold up that's messed up You didn't do that the only person you spoke to was the person was attacked and that's fucked up And said well, I'm still not sticking up what she did but for what she did

But I understand her frustration. And Candice is like, well, it sounded like you were. And secondly, you and I were not friendly. And I felt like Karen would have been the perfect person to say when he cut it out and me had cut it out. But instead, she chose to excuse herself. God, Robin, she has such mommy issues. It's like everything that happens, she blames the older one. Every single thing is Karen's fault.

You know, go apologize to your mother and make up for whatever the hell your man at her about. Cause at this point, it's just like glaring. Yeah, Karen's like, Robin, do not speak for me. Why you dragging me into your bullshit? You brought up my name, so I'm in it now, because what you're not going to do is say that I should have defused something that you are

responsible for gaslighting. And by the way I am going to be coming out with the dumb diffusers and the dumb gaslights. Thank you. And he's like, I don't think that the gaslighting is. Maybe you mean throwing gas on the fire. So thank you Andy, thank you so much for and one evening being shady with me and correcting me. Thank you very much, Antico, and I very much appreciate that. You'll be the first one to receive my gas lighter.

And so they just keep saying, you don't even know what gas lighter is. So Andy moves it along. He's like, Chupo from Miverga Cabras says, Robin, you were on watch what happens live, saying that Sharise did not need to put hands on you to hold you back from getting windy,

but the truth is she did put her hands on you. So can you acknowledge if Sharise's natural reaction to put hands on you was because you were behaving in an aggressive manner. Now we've debated this. And you said she didn't have, she didn't put hands on you, but then when we saw her put hands on you. I was like, oh my God, can we stop

re-editgating every, this was like the smallest thing. They make everything on this show into the biggest fucking deal. Yeah. And so Rob is like, no I said I did I said I Went he's like I was seated so you know when you're seated and we're having a dog you know I don't know where you're all from. I don't know where you're coming from You know, but if like you're gonna come at it if you don't walk towards me like anything could happen You know and oh but I said I was gonna stand

Yeah, and you did step towards it. Like if you stepped towards it, if you walked right here and from that coffee table and you were like, wow, what I would stand up. Well, you probably pushed me back down into my seat. Let's be honest. But the whole thing about this, a, Robin was completely wrong. Who does that?

You don't fucking, Robin does that a lot. And they're correct that she's done that a lot over the years where she just walks up on people and gets in their face and stuff. Like you can't do that. But they're also leaving out the whole part where Wendy just kept going, stand up then, stand up then, stand up then, stand up then.

Stand up then. And she goes, really wanted to stand up and she stood up like, oh my God, she stood up, she stood up. I kept leaving, she stood up. Yeah, they only wanted her to stand up but not actually move forward at all. So yeah. So Andy's like, well Ashley, you flip flopped your stands on violence this season.

Monique was far more violent with Mia, I mean with what's her face? She was more violent than Mia was, but you defended her in the courts. And Ashley's like, well, I mean, everyone came to Canis defense, as they should have, but no one came to Wendy's defense.

And you wanted to be the hero. Can't just just sling out some canis is just mugging to the camera and slinging out little one liners online. It's so funny. Yeah. She's like, well, no one came to Wendy's defense when she was the person and like, no one was holding me as feet to the fire for her actions. And everyone chastised Monique and older.

She was misrepresentation of black women But normal she was with she was yeah, but no one was saying anything to Mia and I don't think that's fair So and I will stand by that just like I've stood behind column for owning that ring And then he's like all right. Well, let's move on Your reaction to what happened in Miami seemed hypocritical and the opposite of what happened with Monique, Jazeal, and Jazeal's like, here's the thing. What Monique did to Candice is completely different

what Mia did to Wendy. Candice got beat up by Mia had a drink of tall star so the two are not comparable. Hmm. Well, you're saying that Chris made you feel certain way, so listen to her. She felt a certain way. She got a martini thrown in her eyes. She felt violated.

Just all goes, right, duh. I don't like her. Yeah, I don't like her. So it doesn't matter to me, yeah. I'm allowed to be a critical, if I don't like someone, nah. Yeah, bad answer. So Candace is like yeah, well, there's your moral company is because right is right and wrong is wrong Right is right and wrong is wrong and Andy's like yeah, I don't think that would hold up a quite just out and When he's like and just to be clear. I'm a strong person but that was fucked up and

strong person but that was fucked up. And I'm just making fun of her being so over dramatic about it because she is in the right. Like Mia was totally fucking wrong and stupid, you know. But then the all that just said, I would never guess from watching this that Mia would have kept repeating over and over about the gay husband and the ureth slot kind of her whole act against Mia, but you can't really stand up for Mia because she started all of this and put her fucking put herself in the middle of something that had nothing to do with her, you know, right? It just cracks me up that Wendy gets so dramatic like, it took everything in me not

to beat the shit out of you, not because I couldn't, but because who I am is a woman. And the only reason I came to your womb was to have that conversation in Mexico was to move on as a group. And then we see a clip of that and she says, but I won't fuck with you cause you violated me. To my deepest car. I'm just just going to sell a confuse and she says, uh, weren't you guys kissing or vagina bumping after that?

That. Yeah. And when he's like, well, yeah, we'll get into that. We should also have each other out of the giant eyes. I mean, it was tequila. So funny. Yeah. I mean, it's intense drama broken with that one mind.

She's like, well, we all do it. I mean, because she's the only one who really seems to have something to lose. Because like, she knows the moment that she actually retaliates the way she probably wants to retaliate. She loses her job at Johns Hopkins. Well, I'm here, right? Oh, yeah, I guess.

You can't get into a physical fight, you know? I mean, where's Monique? Where's Monique right now? Where is Monique? So then we go over to just like Chris Samuel's just like, just like, fall asleep on top of Monique. She's like, heck, someone helped me please. It's like literally where is Monique?

We just see a hand from behind. Monique is like that butterfly in the stone from like the caveman era. So then Jacqueline is getting ready to come on and she's just such a bad actor. So they're putting on her makeup and Doug Luelland's back. It's very people's court from the 80s, you know.

She's like, tonight, I would like to clear up the misconception. This woman has discussingly talked about my children, putting up things on the internet about me, sleeping with married men, and other receipts. I have about other things. Thank you for having me, Doug. I'm looking forward to justice being served. Yeah, I don't think there's any misconceptions because that would have to imply that there was some energy put into making

conceptions in the first place. And I think all of us were like, uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I know being scared. Being stuck in a conversation at a cocktail party, you're like, uh-huh. You're like nodding your head.

It's like being stuck in one of those conversations and then someone comes up later on and goes, I have to clear up everything that was said in that conversation. Like, I don't know. I mean, I'm sort of inherently on Jacklons side, oddly enough, because Mia has proven herself to be such a liar and shady person that like, I'm not following their drama so carefully, but I just sort of been like, yeah, Jacqueline, you're probably right.

You're probably right. I'm good. Like, we don't even need to do it. I'm like, just say that Mia's treating you dirty. I'll be like, yeah, she probably is. I'm on your side. That's fine. Let's move on. Yeah, I think that whole thing was boring and I think it's a classic. Let's get on the show and then make storylines having like little fights about each other because that's how you like get a job on the show and keep a job. But then it just went too fucking crazy. Yeah. You got one out of control. Yeah. And so now there's a shopping that comes up frequently.

No, not Nathan's hot dogs, but I really do love them. And so does all of New York City. Colorism. I was like, oh no, Andy's gonna take on colorism. I got this sent me nervous. I know, I was like, oh, okay. So, you know, it was a big thing that came up this year with everything with Mia and Wendy

and how, like, Wendy was treated, et cetera. So they decided to like really, really approach this this year with everything with Mia and Wendy and how like Wendy was treated, et cetera. So they decided to like really, really approach this or, or, or, or, you know, that's, that's what they said. And he talked about how they're going to maybe get a moderator and they reached out to everyone. Everyone said they didn't want a moderator because who knows who Andy would have chosen as a moderator. Jackie Harry. I was going my way here. Jackie here! I was gonna say that. That's a little quick, Lauren. So, this is like...

Don't you, cat. So, you remember now? Yeah, seriously. So, then he basically is like, hey, I'm going to just, I'm gonna sit back and I'm gonna listen, but just know that when this conversation is done, I will moderate a conversation about boob jobs, who has one, who wants a new one.

Okay. So he says Candice was the most vocal, but that she told him and the producers that she didn't think the castmates were colorist, but that the conversation needed to be had. Now that's a little different than what she said in the past, because this conversation has been going on this show really since season one, with all the Katie stuff, Katie being Jewish and Robin and Jacelle getting all upset with her. A lot of that stuff that happened in season one, then it came back a lot with Candace in general when Candace started to get shit on this show

Candice used to kind of throw this stuff out all the time and it kind of opened the conversation You know it opened the conversation with us because we are white guys so We didn't know what the hell was happening until people kind of explained it So I mean I hate to be like Andy, but I'm kind of with them where it's like it's not ours to discuss it But it is our place to recap it. So, Candy is saying she appreciates the conversation, but they all need to agree what the actual word means. So I have Miriam and Webster.

Yeah, so she reads from. She's a member on the real housewives who she mentioned in the mirror in the webster Literally no and webster literally no and invite some Miriam or webster over because they're just constantly correcting cast People of real housewives shows of all cities, you know, so glad that by the way and he did not recruit Jennifer 8 and to moderate this discussion. What's color is the body red, Panna? Caroline Manthos back in Jersey. Like I would just like everyone to know. My father had nothing to do with putting Miriam or Webster at the bottom of the river.

And how dare you for suggesting it. So basically the, you know, Candace wreath the definition, which is different treatment based on skin color, especially favoriteism towards those with lighter skin tones and mistreatment or exclusion of those with darker skin tone, especially typically among those, the same racial or ethnic group. And they all agree with that. And Candace wants to talk about when we're colors and may have rear heads head in the group. And she says that Candace says that know, they want to talk about when we're colors and may have weird heads in the group. And she says that Candace says that she's someone who has a reputation of crying or screaming or yelling and will do a combination of all those things.

And she's viewed as the cry baby because she'll be, you know, the first one to be emotional. But Robin has screamed and gone into Ash's restaurant and put her finger in the face. So she's kind of like, it seems weird that Robin does not get labeled as, you know, like more of a villain, more of like the bitch, more of the aggressor. And I'm not sure they showed the clip. They showed Robin. Yes. Well, they also showed, they show montage of Candace actually being everything that she's

saying, you know, that's her reputation. I mean, they literally put in the clip with Candace being held back by her husband while she's like swinging to get forward and go at Ashley, swinging the butter knife and then being dragged away by Chris and throwing the butter knife and then like cutting to Candace crying and screaming in yelling, I mean, Candace, you do do that. You know what I mean? You do. And the argument from Ashley is like, yeah, but you do. You do do that.

And then Robbins reaction is like, yeah, but I do get called out for being mean and aggressive. She's like, I mean, just sitting here, I've been called mean girl and aggressive. So I don't get it. And so basically, it comes down to the, to me, it came down to them, understand, saying, look, we understand that it's more difficult for you in life and that fans come after you harder.

And we do understand that colorism is real and it is a thing. And Ashley was saying, like, I acknowledged that I benefit from colorism and that you are, you don't. Like I acknowledge that that's a thing and then Candace starts crying and she's like, thank you. Like that's sometimes really all we need is for us to have acknowledgement that it is a thing because when you say it's a thing, everyone's like, no, it's not. You're just a bitch, you know, and to acknowledge that it exists in the world, you know, is something, you know, and it kind of goes back to what we come to whenever we have these kinds of discussions

on this show. If I've been completely ignorant about something in life or in a stupid recap, you know, it really doesn't cost any money to listen to other people. You know what I mean? Like it doesn't cost any money and just say, like, I hear you and like, let's try to fix it. I mean, what the fuck you guys? That's why it's kind of cringy. Sometimes to listen to like old, old episodes because like we have actually learned so much in the past 11 years that we've been doing this, right? Like learning about not only perspectives, but you know, really getting more nuanced views of especially racial things.

And it's not just, it's not from solely these TV shows because there's been a lot of stuff that's been happening in society. But like, you know, you know, that's probably why I were to like go back and listen to some episodes. I guarantee I probably said some really cringy stuff because it was like it's like oh yeah whole world the whole world that's good that we're cringing you know we go back and listen and cringe because that shows that we actually have you sort of evolved and understand perspectives a lot more so it's really cool that Bravo is

having these conversations on reunions because I do feel like there was a time when we started I think actually Bravo had a pretty simplistic Sort of approach to all these things So it's great that Bravo in in in some ways at least at least trying to See some of the more difficult or challenging aspects to these very, you know, tricky and intersectional occasionally moments. So Karen, I think had the best moment here where she was like, listen, you know, we have to personalize this, you know,

because you guys know I own the plantation that my ancestors were slaves on. And so colorism has been taught throughout the generations and that those with darker pigment skin were in the fields and the lighter woman was the house Negro. And I can tell you that it takes a conscious effort to change that within us that was never supposed to be there in the first place. And what Candace is saying is that because of the color of her skin, she is judged more harshly than Robin or I would have been. Period. You know? And I thought that was really

well said and I thought it was a great conversation among the cast. It was good to see. And then Andy is basically like, well thanks ladies. We've solved colorism. Okay, we'll be back to Akiyas' Kansas' husband of discomfort assaults. I'm seeing you soon. Yeah, I mean, it seemed like a good conversation to me, but again, obviously not part of the community, right? Like outsiders of the community, I'm sure there are people watching

who felt like it did not go deep enough or felt like it was surface-ear maybe. Maybe they felt like, did not go deep enough or felt like it was surface-e or maybe maybe they felt like I'm interested to hear people felt like oh this just felt like something that Bravo did to get themselves off the hook or felt like a genuinely like oh this was like a really this was really good and things were said that needed to be said you know so interested to hear what people's reactions are from within the community. Yeah. So then we move into this Jacqueline segment, just so ridiculous. So Jacqueline's coming out. Mia looks furious at Jacqueline's there, right? And that he's like, welcome back! This Dodo bird Jacqueline has joined us. Shortly she hasn't bought a glitter box full of fake receipts. Welcome Jacqueline!

So I have to think me out this isn't how you imagined working out bringing your best friend on the show and Jacqueline's like, well, I am completely shocked completely shocked Andy. Was this the first time you've seen me as his filming wrapped and Jack was like yes. Oh, and me this season, you introduced the ladies to your best friend, Jacqueline, and you thought like sisters made up like sisters, went to the steam room like sisters, what have you fell in love with George Clooney like sisters, and what have you married, Ed Maranero like sisters. Wait a second, I think I'm getting myself all tangled up anyway, let's take a look So then we see clips of them yeah, and then fighting and then fighting more than fighting ball and how does it feel watching that personally I formed two equal size eye boogers

While that was airing in each eye. So thanks for that little sleepy, and me as like, it was that's a pointing Andy, I think that we both kind of done better. And Jackson's like, it was devastating. I see someone who literally wants to drag me underneath her to elevate her to be her peasant. And me as like, I don't want anyone to be pleasant Okay, I want people to be happy not just pleasant peasant. Are you calling me a peasant? And did you see what I have to deal with?

Well, there's a lot of time there was a time during the season where I was going through a lot personally I thought I had a different kind of cancer or deadly disease literally every other day that sees the man be. He's like, but were you unsupported by your friend? To be honest, just now, I was supported, but once she got here, I was just like overwhelmed by all the support that is she needed, Andy.

And Jaclyn's like, let me clear this up. Let's talk about my sister. My sister was my nanny initially, and I knew that you didn't have the type of support from your family, that type of support. So like, so that's what I said here, take my sister to nanny for you. So when you're saying like,

you're giving me all this support, I literally gave you my sister and Andy's life. The fuck kind of argument is that first of all. That's the weirdest argument I've ever heard. So you're basically saying, you weren't paying your sister to nanny. Your sister was just taking care of your children, but then you told your sister, let's get you a job and you can get paid for this with me by nanny and for, right? Isn't that what you're doing?

It just goes to show sisters are manning for it, right? Isn't that what you're doing? It just goes to show sisters are doing it for themselves, you know? So Andy's like, well, when you were living with Jacqueline's family, did you feel like an underling? Did you feel less than her? And now you're turning the tables and me is like, no, don't her mom and dad treat me like one of their own. That sleeps with another one of their own, okay?

And I just wish, I wish I were still in school with our parents, but like, and Jacqueline says that Mia's, that her mom hasn't watched yet because she doesn't want her mom to see it because she knows her mom will be so disappointed, but her family has seen it and they're disgusted with Mia. Well, I definitely wish we they may have to see a plane out on Town Love

agenda because we can do argue and find and we've probably said worse things to each other but like look I can make up the next thing forget what happened and just move on and Jack looks like that's the problem you're unhinged and she's like well I don't know that that's the word for it. I mean that's what the door was called when it was kicked down to repossess all of our staff after Gordon's family stole all of our money so. So, Dr. Ns like well let's talk about how you're unhinged. You sent a group chat to everybody talking about my house being in foreclosure. I need to worry about my food stamps when your family businesses and jambles and I know all about it. I have all the details and me as like,

oh, really, you've got a folder? I've got a box. Pandora's box here, which I have linked. Hey. And so I think they have, do they, are the boxes matching? They've both got like, it seems like it's like a box off.

Well, I think that like, Jacqueline has a folder, but Mia has a box. It's almost like someone's about to do an audit of a county fair raffle. I Say there were 9,072 jelly beans in the jar. I brought my Valentine's Day box to see if you lift me a Valentine's and I think the record will show. There's no Valentine from you in here. Mm-hmm.

Um, and that's it. That's when we get the announcement that next week is a 90 minute finale. Oh, dear, wish us luck. I mean, it'll be great. It'll be great to watch. It's just gonna be a lot of, a lot of time. It'll be a fun blowout for the end of a good season.

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