Watch What Crappens - RHOP: Wine O' Clocked

Episode Date: December 22, 2020

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Get ready for a double load of Queen of Hearts! It's me, Jujubee, and I return to guide sexy singles through some ronchy blind dates. Cameras off! Voice only! Launching during Pride! Queen of Hearts takes Miami by storm, with Daeders' Cupi from Tampa Bayes, Just Chaz and Brittany Brave to name a few. Follow Queen of Hearts on Amazon Music or wherever you get your podcasts. I've got a cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker Well, hello, welcome to Watch What Corruptions. The podcast for all that crap we just love to talk about on Yo Bros. I'm Ronnie Carram, that's been over there, been Madelker Hot Man.

Hey Ronnie, what's up? How you doing today babe? Oh you know, it's Monday morning, ready to, actually it's not even Monday morning, it's Monday afternoon, but it feels like morning to me, I'm just ready to dive into the week. Yeah, me too, it's gonna be a fun couple of weeks because it's the holy days everybody. And I need to get a life because I spent hours last night just going through Twitter and getting videos and then studying the video of Real Housewives of Potomac.

Yeah, today's recap because wow, I was really into it last night. I was using this video like the subruder film. I've gone through like frame by frame of everything so today we're doing crap and it's on demand because I want to show the video. Okay. Okay, perfect. I'm excited for that. We have some fun stuff coming up so we're going to be going on vacation later this week and we are not going to be doing like fresh recaps of Bravo shows next week. However, one thing that's really, really fun is that we teamed up with the guys from 90-day Gays and the four of us recapped Holiday, which is a holiday movie, a quote-unquote holiday

movie on Netflix. And we had so much fun. It wound up being such an intense, long and funny recording session that it's actually going to be a three-parter. So we are doing that's going to be next week. So if you guys want to do to do your homework, check out holiday on Netflix and then tune in to this because it's, we had, I mean, we had so much fun. It's probably probably my favorite session of the entire year recording session. Yeah, we really did have a good time and that's, it is a good, solid three at longer, I think, than three hours.

But yeah, that'll be coming next week. We have an end of the year wrap up TV thing crossover with Kate Casey coming that week as well. But don't worry, we will not just be ignoring the final real housewives of Potomac reunion. It airs the week that we're off. So we won't be back that week, but it will be our first recap when we come back for the New Year because I'm loving this reunion. I'm not skipping that.

And also, we do have the crappies. COVID's not going to slow us down. We are going to be doing the crappies this year. We're going to be doing a live show on L internet. We'll give you more details later, but just so you know going into the end of the year, that is coming. So be ready, check our Instagram and our Twitter

and all that good stuff to find out. The date and the ticket link and all that. But it'll be pretty close to the start of January. And we'll have voting up probably around the first. Yeah, I think we're, I think we're going to aim to have the polls open on the first. Yeah, I think we're, I think we're gonna aim to have the polls open on the first. It's a lot of stuff happening this year,

a lot of fun categories. So we're putting together the categories the nominees right now. Yes. So check back for that. And that's all I think all of our announcements. Now, here we are with Real Housewives of Potomac, Redo New need pot too.

Did you mention that this is also crap and it's on demand today? I did. You're talking about some brutal films, right? Yeah. Yeah. So that's on Patreon. Yeah, so if you want to get this on demand, go to Patreon. And sign up for the crap and it's on demand level.

Am I very pixelated to you right now, Ronnie? I can't tell. Because you're very pixelated to me, so I wasn't sure if I was presenting pixelated to you. Oh no, probably on YouTube we're both screwed. Let's just. We just like, you know, an impressionist painting, essentially an animated impressionist painting, which is kind of all right. Yeah, we use these HD cams and like in our, you know, in our tests, we look amazing, but then the second you go to YouTube, it looks like utter crap. So thanks YouTube. Yeah. But here we are with Real House

Wars at Potomac reunion part two. We open where we left off with or where we left off last week with Monique telling Jacelle, your pastor boyfriend is singing his big D around his congregation, including Atlanta, as we speak, and you know it. And Jacelle's still just sitting there like, okay. Yeah. Now didn't Jamal go on to like Facebook live this past week and was saying things like Chris Samuel's, he was like, he's like, I don't know where you live,

but I have your address. Something like that, he was kind of just like having a Facebook live moment, which I'm like, is that what we really want from our religious leaders to have a petty back and forth on social media? Yeah. Yeah, the religious leaders of the modern age,

in general, I would say need some work. Okay, I'm looking at you, Joe Austin. But yeah, I'm very cosby. Yeah, I'm very cosby. But Jamal got on and he was pretty messy trying to make this comeback video, but never denied having an affair. I don't think and He accused Chris like one of his slams as a Chris S CTE which is like who what kind of preacher uses that against somebody?

I know and you also can't you don't know that until Unfortunately until you sort of like you know like Unfortunately after you die does when's one you've, when you, when that gets diagnosed. So that's like a totally, feels like a very baseless and obnoxious thing for. Yeah, shitty. It's shitty. It's shitty. And you wanted to say let alone someone who runs a congregation.

Yeah, he said that he has CTE and that he yelled at some lady in a grocery store or something. And then he also said that he tried to attack He tried to attack some of the women at the reunion, which I guess we'll see next week and That's pretty much it. It's he showed up at least he showed up. Yeah, at least he showed up Jamal Yeah, yeah, that guy's a loser, but we know he's a loser and even just L Like doesn't even bother standing up for him but we know he's a loser and even Jizelle, like doesn't even bother standing up for him.

She just sits there quietly, you know? And so Andy's like, well, Jizelle, there does seem to be a dialogue about his faithfulness. And she's like, well, I've been beyond transparent, about my marriage to Jamal. I was like, this isn't your marriage though. You see? Yeah, well, but I think yeah, I mean, I think she's saying like listen, I've bashed him in the past

I've bashed him a lot like I'm totally down to bashed him again, but Right now like we're fine, but I agree. I felt like it was a sidestep And she's like and then on top of that she says well, there have been communication Nah issues and that's based on me. I don't communicate dot. I'm like, oh don't top of that, she says, well, there have been communication, not issues, and that's based on me. I don't communicate, dot. I'm like, oh, don't ungasse like you. He's the one who cheated on you, okay? You are always in the right

on the communication issues for the rest of your life because he cheated on you. You're allowed to not communicate with him now and not trust him. Yes, and Andy's like, bud, Jazeal, this is a lot. Like, Andy is very upset today. First of all, Andy had a terrible hour Have to put that out there

Andy had a terrible hour on this reunion. I mean people are handing him his own ass on Twitter right now Because what are they upset about? I thought it was like a generic like I thought it was like not the show wasn't Narrowing out those just like Andy just being Andy because he chose sides big time and he was completely full of shit. He was lying half the time. They kept, he kept agreeing with the ladies and accusing Monique of all this stuff and saying things didn't happen. Gaslighting, use that word. That's like the best bravo word of the year or the most used at least.

Gaslighting, or saying no, that never happened, that never happened. We don't have footage of that. And then the producers would cut to footage of that. Like the exact same thing that he was just saying I mean, I don't know if the producers of this show just hate his ass or what but they serves him up on a platter and people are going nuts on him on Twitter And it's kind of funny because I was yelling at my TV. I was like, what are you talking about? They just shout the fun is Well, Andy Shout the fun in! Mm-hmm.

Well, Andy just all starts saying how like the show has, you know, the show has a magnifying glass on her relationship with Jamal now, which by the way, A is probably because of your doing because you spent so many seasons talking about like how terrible of a person he was and how we cheated, et cetera. And then Monique mudders under her breath,

like, oh, so now it's the show's fault. Oh, okay, all right, now it's the show's fault. Which is funny because that's the classic like Karen Huber blaming the show. I mean, they all blame the show when it's convenient for them, you know? Yeah. And Andy, what I was gonna say before I went off earlier

is that Andy is not happy on this episode unless someone's crying as we find out later. So he just keeps pushing just that, like, well, aren't you gonna come on, Jal? He's really mad, Jal, Jal. And she's not gonna give him that satisfaction. And Candice is like, well, he should have just come himself so he could say,

no, my child. This is not true. And Wendy just laughs and says, no, not my, no, my child. Not my child. So then Candice is like, well, if the first book happens to be true, meaning like Monique's binder, she's like, well, if that happens to be true, what are you gonna do, Giselle? And Giselle's like, well, I'll cross that bridge, when I get to it. I'm like, I hate to break it to you,

but you're standing over the river right now. You're on that bridge. Yeah, you're on the bridge. Simon and Garfunkel are literally singing to you right now. You're on that bridge. Yeah, you're on the bridge. Simon and Garfunkel are literally singing to you right now. So Monique's like, well, maybe she just wants an open relationship. And Wendy says, you know, just so I think you're, you're pretending to be calm, but you're not calm. You're not. And just like, and I appreciate that when the yeah, because I feel like that is coming from a place of niceness. You know, I am fine. And the the older I get the less it bothers me and I'm like well this is sad you know. Well I'm getting older so you know screws many

preachers as you want. Yeah that's pretty yeah exactly. So Andy said well it would seem as if he would have it would have had a lot to lose by coming on the show. I mean did he's dating you if he was taking a lot of other women, you know So like tonight when you speak to him. How's that gonna go? Huh? Are you gonna have fun sex? Huh? Are you gonna like touch your boobs and stuff? Huh? Do you think I'll ask you if you've had a boob in plan? No, have you had a boob in plan? Come on She's had a boob in plan. No, have you had a boob in plan? Come on, come on.

I'm a genius. So it's break time now. So everybody starts getting up. And of course, they're still being recorded. So Robin comes over to Giselle and she's like, whoa, she really came through. And Giselle's like, yeah, that thing is really round. Yeah. And then they go off to, they go off to their rooms,

like their dressing room was whatever, and she's like, well, it's very unfortunate, I think that you have copy things and put it in a binder because she's talking about Monique and everything. She's like, I mean, that's tabulated, it's all tabs, it's tabulated. I'm like, not quite tabulated, means. Yeah, yeah, but she's flustered., yeah, more just tap. She's flustered.

I mean, you can tell she's still flustered because like me, she's still pop pop pop pop flustered because she goes, you're a binder loser. Binder loser. Binder loser. Not her strongest, not her strongest, off the cuff from Mark, binder loser. So then in Monique's room, Chris is like,

you've had this info for years. And Monique's like, oh yeah, you want to talk about other people's marriage and this is crap at me. And then we cut back to Giselle still being flustered. And Robin's like, I mean, a binder? We should call it a thirst book. Good one, Robin. I liked when Monique was ranting in her hotel room,

the way they framed her shot, the cameraman, was very sure to make sure T'Challa was in the corner. They kept T'Challa in frame. So I love she's just going off, but everything just furious about this fight that could send her to jail, and they just have a little power in the corner, just watching her.

It's like, what took the child to think? They're like, this rage, we need the bird. Can you just move back a little bit? Get the bird in the shot, get the bird okay yeah just move back a little bit get the bird in the shop get the bird one hour later of course Robin is last to set and his past yeah he's pissed but he's also like a little boy he's just like flicking on his phone he's like he's still waiting on Rob are we seriously still waiting on Robin so and now it's time to talk about Ashley.

Ashley, you came into this season with a new baby and a new purpose in motherhood. There were many bumps and tears talking about your aim is which got torn up. Uh, that affected your body and ultimately your marriage, let's take a look. Just like the colonoscopy said, let's take a look inside, Ashley colonoscopy said let's take a look inside Sure, I actually love that. Yeah, your season has been about your torn butthole. Okay, let's talk about that so we get a clips of Ashley's torn by all and Her fights with Michael and Michael cheating with the strippers and then her fight with with Michael and Michael cheating with the strippers and then her fine with Wendy and I love this line. Her booty hole is broke and Ashley is broke. You broke broke.

Broke broke. So then Andy's like, all right, a lot to discuss. I'm not gonna say I was a lot to unpack because her booty hole is broken so it already fell out of the packaging. All right. So listen Ashley, I root for you and I feel for you and you're sitting here and you're pregnant and I hate to have to talk to you about this again. You can see by the giant smile on my face, but I feel like year after year, you have to defend your marriage and your husband. How does that make you feel? Let's talk about that right now. She's like, well, I don't really see it that way.

Every year, year after year, as you said, I'm asked questions about my husband. And so I answer those questions about my husband. And he's like, where is my goal? She goes, isn't South Carolina? Because someone is getting married that he knows there. That doesn't sound so suspicious at all actually. Yeah. Sounds totally okay. Totally natural. Someone getting married that he knows there of that person. Yeah. So Michael, she's pregnant and so Michael is excited for baby number two and Ashley says, yeah, you know, I'm almost losing his family for his mistake. Really opened his eyes. Like how many times does he have to have his eyes opened? I feel like every season, it's like really losing me, almost made him like, really open his eyes about like what not to do.

Like, every single season gets his eyes opened. Yeah, his eyes are always open. They're just really like clouded over with like cataract beginnings and like, here's, you know, like a really old dog that's about to be put down. Okay. It's hard to see when we got jizz in your eyes, okay? I'm not affordably speaking, everyone. So she's like, he says, well, you're such a hero for opening up without

those part of depression. And she's like, yeah, you know, Robin and Jizzo really prepared me. It would take six months. And that was true. And they've all had postpartum. So we go through that. And then of course Andy has to ask about her butthole and if it heals. Yeah, it's like yeah, postpartum was really hard. I don't know what about your butthole. Well, tell us what that tear in the green is. Yeah, we talk about your butthole. We've got a lot of buttholes to impact here. Actually, all right. So then we move on to Ashley versus Wendy. He's like, say Adams, you're Wednesday.

So he's like, Wendy, do you regret screaming at Ashley and Wendy's like, well, you know, that's not really Ashley's problem. It's just that it was a girls trip. So I was okay without being my baby, but any mom will tell you when you see a baby, it triggers you. Yeah, she says that then like when she saw the baby, but any mom will tell you when you see a baby it triggers you Yeah, she says that then like when she saw the baby then she wanted to have her baby and then and he's like and then I have to imagine Being a father of a child that you must have then gone into a shame spiral over the fact that you had chosen to go on a trip to a really shitty Lake house instead of be with your child, right?

Yes now on this I have I didn't understand my note but I said Moni or Wendy interview okay so Wendy on Watch what happens and he was saying so you know he was asking you about the colorism thing from last week and saying why why is it okay A viewer was know of course because I would never ask you this myself, but why is it okay for at for Candice to screen ghetto and Hoodrat at oh my god what is wrong with me at Monique? Why are you are you being a hypocrite basically? And she's like well no because I never called her hood rat and I never called her get a thank you Andy. I was like oh my god

this isn't CNN answer the question. That's that's not that's not it's not about you calling it's about like why it yeah she just totally changed the question like she's on CNN still um and then Andy was like, okay That wasn't really listening anyway have you ever torn your but hole More important lamb you ever torn your bottle so He asked Ashley's like Ashley you didn't seem surprised or mad about the stripper He kept making these faces and Ashley's like, well,

you know, I've had my own discretion in the past. I might have not always been the best wife, Andy, you know, when I was separated, I have fun and he forgave me and then we moved. You were separated. You were separated. I haven't feeling it was that chef from us, so please tell me more because I got what's hot. Yeah, also like, it was that chef from Oz, so please tell me more, because that guy was hot. Yeah, also, like, she's like, I haven't always been the best wife to my husband. Your marriage to Michael Darby, you're automatically the best wife to your husband. Like, you already, like, win that category, okay? Like just being willing to take on that task means that you are actually the best wife to

him. Yeah. So, they're not in an open relationship. It's just that if they both see some of the, they think it's hot. Oh, and by the way, he's not gay. Okay. Everybody is not. He's not gay at all, guys. Not gay. So it, and he's like, so, uh, Katie Ross said that she hooked up with another house wife. Was it you? And she's like, Oh, hell no. Listen listen She mentioned having a garage and I live in a condo and like so that never could have it transpired So there you have it the old garage defense old garage defense and this could be playing around with words too because condos Do you have parking garages?

Why could you do parking a parking garage, you know also Katie who knows when Katie says garage She might just mean like bathroom. I don't know like I don't know what I don't I don't always understand what they do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They do. They kiss. What do you think of that? She's like, well, he said that she didn't want anything to do with him sexually So they just slept and then the following day she even simulated that he pay her like well That doesn't make much sense like she she wanted payment for just lying there. I mean that sounds like a great job. Okay great work Yeah, yeah, I didn't yeah, I wasn't totally following that. So, basically, he slept over, but then nothing happened. Did he just want like a cuddle? Because if he just wanted a cuddle, he could get that from Ashley.

Like, I didn't, that didn't make any real sense at all. Yeah, and it's all bullshit. I mean, I hate to be like, can't this, but we all know this is bullshit. I've always been caught in so many lives. Yeah. Um, so, yeah, they you still on somebody's lives? Yeah. So yeah, they question her on that for a little while. And he's like, Ashley, lady with the torn butthole possibly still, I don't know.

I'd love to ask you about your torn butthole again. Let's put it in your your torn butthole. You know, you're six months pregnant. Pregnant. Are you worried that'll happen again? She's like, no, I mean, I'd be lying to say I'm not a little concerned, but he's home every night and he's really trying. He's in South Carolina without you right now. When

Wendy literally goes, he's not home with you tonight. So Karen's like, well, you know, you have a son to consider. And you know, it's a possible order decision to keep a family together. The family that rips an asshole together stays together. And Mandy's like, but you know when we're talking about Jamal and Jacelle, I mean Jacelle has a family. She has three children so isn't that the same? And she's, no, I just want the truth about her marriage. Mandy?

I'm coming from a good place with that. I'm just not reaching her because we're not there right now. I mean, yes, because we're genuine. Okay, and I can just accept, I can accept you, just like you are. In fact, I like this better. I like this. We're genuine, which is why she can't understand us because she's not genuine. And then they make a half-hearted, you know, attempted fighting. Just like you do not have a relationship. Oh, so angry just out So angry worries my angry just out and Andy's like you read for them, right? So yes, I I wrote for their family. I just wanted to be a real family And then and Andy goes so I doesn't feel good to have Karen in your corner and just tell us she's full of shit

You treating me well I got it So Ashley a clip of surface from Sharice's birthday party of your asshole rip I'm sorry mr. At the card. I really need your more matter We're down, but uh it's uh Michael pinching a producer's butt Certainly is relevant check. Oh, yes, I'd be relevant very well of him. Andy producer's butt. It certainly is relevant. Oh yes, Andy. Very relevant, Andy.

I agree. I agree. Very relevant. Okay. But I'm not upset because I saw the context. And it wasn't that serious. This producer is very funny. He's very flirtatious with Michael.

I'm not in a sexual manner, but they had a very good relationship. And if you ask this person, he'll tell you it was a joke, Andy. My husband's not gay. My asshole's fine. Thank you, Andy. And you're like, well, we did ask him, uh, we've turned out his asshole is intact, but he did say it was not a consensual thing. And he was mortified. And she's like, oh, that's funny because he definitely calls my husband Zaddy, but okay. I'm like, uh, those two things have nothing to do with anything.

And thank you. Actually, Candace is the one who's like, he also has a job that he wants to keep. So, da, da, da, you know? Yeah. It's like, as she's not being a great champion of sexual harassment in the workplace. No, and she has a man.

She has a man. She has a man and she knows that this shit's been through this whole time. She's ridiculous. And Robyn's like, well, it rolled in a blast. She went to reunion. That's what I was talking about. And then there was clips of the last reunion

on a much better set. I mean, a set that made an effort. Let's admit it. He's not made an effort to capture the spirit of Madera. This looks like a party room at a Madola's. Okay. Sorry. I don't even know what Madola's is. It's like a chain Italian place.

Wow. Well, either way, we see in this flashback. A lot of post-egrades. Oh, it's like Cynthia Bailey's house. So, we see Michael saying, you know, it's like, so Michael, did you ever grab any producers but that Sharisa's birthday party's like never, I'll never touch any buts.

I've never touched a but before my life. It's never happened. It's never ever ever ever ever happened. It's like, so now it's like yes. We've actually now seen it. Yeah, so why it's just them lying. Every year it's just Michael and Ashley lying over and I've never even touched a but,

I don't even know what a button is, NT. Until I actually ripped a button, I had been trying to poop at a moelbo. It's been a very, very difficult time for me, NT. But the good news is, I'm pooping okay now. Did I ever try and degree up an asshole? Of course not. Did I ever try to have some fun with a handsome man,

with a just happen to have a bot that was in the vicinity of my hand? Perhaps. You know, people don't know how to take a joke. If I grabbed an asshole, no, I have an Andy. Now have I reached for a six pack of beer, slip my fingers down into it, realized it was an asshole and all the six pack of beer. Maybe Andy of a man that called me Zaddy. Have I have a grabbed an asshole? Of course not.

Have I decided in the middle of a party to practice my bowling technique and then it just happened to run right into a butt? Perhaps. But guess what? If they weren't a butt then I would have gotten a strike. Have I ever tried to grab an asshole? No. Have I ever tried to help a friend who called me Zetty

by cleaning the lint out of his belly button with three fingers? Yes, was it his belly button? No. Was it his asshole? I don't know. Did I get lint on my fingers? I did. Have I ever grabbed an asshole?

I don't believe I have. But have I ever been so inspired by a wonderful party that I decided to re-enact the Circle of Life from the Lion King by lifting up an invisible lion? And is it my fault if there happens to be a buttocks right in the way? Not my fault, I was just trying to celebrate the Circle of Life. A little Circle of Assolendi. It's time for commercial. It's time for a crap and it's commercial."

Celebrity Beef, you never know if you're just gonna end up on TMZ or trending on Twitter or in court. I'm Matt Bellasife. And I'm Sydney Battle. And we're the host of Wonder E's new podcast, Dis and Tell. Each episode explores a different iconic celebrity feud, from the build-up, why it happened, and the repercussions. What deserve session with these feud say about us? We're starting off with a pretty messy love triangle between Selena Gomez and Justin and Haley Bieber, a seemingly innocent TikTok of Selena talking about her laminated eyebrows.

It snowballed into a full-blown alleged feud. But it doesn't seem like fans are letting up anytime soon. Despite both Selena and the Bieber's making public statements denying any bad blood. How much of this is teen jealousy and lovers quarreling, and how much of it is a carefully crafted narrative designed to sell albums? Follow this and tell wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen ad-free on the Amazon Music or Wondery app. So Andy asked Ashley about her prenup and of course Ashley this was all just a storyline. Ashley never did anything about it. She still doesn't have a prenup, she doesn't have a post

up. She has nothing to protect her children from this fucking idiot which is why she's sitting here sticking up for him again. Okay, do this for the audience. Get yourself taken care of and your kids taken care of so you can turn against your husband. I don't know what show you think you're on, but this is real housewives, ma'am. Yeah, yeah, and then she's acting like, she's just like being all silly about it because they never got the post-nup

and then she's like, oh, I wonder now, maybe I should, now that I have two children, maybe I should. It's like, ah, I wonder now if maybe I should, now that I have two children, maybe I should. It's like, how much archival footage do you need to see to know that you should be definitely doing this? Like, that's like the first stop after this reunion is to the lawyer's office. Yeah, I'll bet he just wouldn't do it.

I'll bet he was like, no, take your chances in gold. Oh, yeah. So Andy's like, no matter, and you know what, it's not too stupid of him either because once actually has that She's out of there, you know So Andy's like so no matter what's going on in the world the huger institution of marriage will go on But it turns out black bell gates wasn't happy in the shadow of the grandum Then we get the Karen and Ray montage of them all season long and then a box of just out losing her mind over it like

Rolling your eyes and going crazy a little pizza box. Yeah, so it Karen is like Well, it feels great to be back at Potomac Ray is very happy is playing tennis with his friends every day Have you ever seen a dear play tennis because that's what he's doing is playing tennis with his friends every day. Have you ever seen a deer play tennis? Because that's what he's doing. He's playing tennis with deer. I know she was quick to add his friends. He was playing with his friends. And Andy's like, well, is her house better? And Robin's like, oh yeah, it's really cozy, Andy.

It's much better. I know you're not calling her house small. I know. I was about to say Robin know you're not calling her house small. I know. I was about to say Robin, that's a bold move saying cozy right now. I know you're not doing that. Um, she says this is better than the last one,

but Robin is really hating Karen too right now. Yeah. So like us. Um, and Karen's like, I was like, I was like, oh, man, man, he's like, well, you know, it's great seeing you back. Let's ask Ashley and Gisele what they thought of you back home. So they talk about her going to do her high school.

It's like seeing the real Karen and everything. And it's, and then there was a question of like, why didn't Karen let Gisele and Ashley ride in the car? Like, why'd you make them walk like peasants? She's like, oh, I didn't plan the parade, and I apologize for that. I'm merely a vessel for festivities in Surrey. Who am I, just a daughter of a farmer who sells soybeans around the world? I can't control the parade.

Of course I wanted them in the car with me. Not at all. Uh, look at Robin, she's meant to be in the audience, Andy. I mean, even now she just looks like she's been pelted in the hand with Sucked on Candy. Do you know the joy of throwing a Tootsie roll that Robin's head? Remember when they were throwing hard candy at people? Yes. Uh, so then he turns it to you.

She was drunk. He's like, remember drunk caring? That was so great. It's one of the best things I've ever seen in my life and Robyn's like oh oh cuz she's like oh I love fireball lady I love a little fireball my love of fireball do I love doing the most I love going to an oil pipeline and letting it on fire I love a fireball and Robyn's like well then well can I ask you why you were dismissive of me when I asked if you drank the fireball? Uh, because you were being an asshole about it Robin, that's why.

It's like the next morning, they just had a good night and the first thing you do is, oh, look Aaron, I heard you drink all the fireball, ooh! It's not like you're friends with Karen, okay? Because you're a jerk Robin, that's why. There's your answer. I did think it was really funny when Karen denied it and was like, what are you talking about? And she was, okay, Karen.

Like, whatever, Karen. I think Karen is so foolish. She's like, I wasn't just mentioned with you. I was hungover. I had a bowl and actually, it cleared my marriage up, Andy. Yeah. It cleared it up. Everything's fixed.

That's right, everything is fixed now. So Andy is like, well, I want to clear the air here a little bit. Do you have disdain for Ray's dick? Do you be called a dick? Is it really a dick? Is it more just like a wrinkled up bold cheetah? What is it? She's like, I do not have any dissaver. And that's disgusting to me that you would ask that I think it's a it's gorgeous. It's it's it's gorgeous and I'm not throwing up in my mouth right now I'm merely thinking about how much fireball I love

That is a disgusting to me added that you would almost just disgusting just raise it. I mean, I'm sorry fireball I mean, I'm sorry. Fireball. I can't this is cracking. Fireball brain. And, uh, Andy asks, how does Ray feel about you spilling info about paying his taxes and helping him out of that? She's like, I've got to be real, and I was born for 17 years. I was a spoiled little girl. Ray doesn't know me anything, I'm being...

That night, these girls brought me to a true revelation that, hey, I gotta give that up! I mean, who am I in just a... Vain old reality star? I mean, he doesn't know me anything, beacuse he's given me his love and trust in our children. But if he wants to write me a Jack, I would, that would be okay too. Unfortunately, I couldn't write him a check for Corisma Andy. That stays with me. Listen, it's a marriage, it's a partnership. We share these things. He clad us pans in the kitchen and I bankroll his tax deficits.

That's all. We're a team and we sold you up for each other. So Andy's like, it is interesting. You know, here we are five years into the show. How was the dynamic effect of your marriage now that you guys have your own money? I love that Bravo returns that they're actually paying these people more than $8.

They, Bravo is notoriously cheap with their talent. And this was Motex finest moment, because she's like, that little check isn't doing anything compared to what Chris is bringing in. Like that little check. Yeah, and Andy's like, well, he was making that kind of money, but he's not making that kind of, That little check isn't doing anything compared to what Chris is bringing in. Like that little check. Yeah. And he's like, well, he was making that kind of money, but he's not making that kind of like excuse you. Andy, he's a football player.

He's like a very famous football player. He's pulling in that check. What the fuck are the things that to say? And she's like, well, he's he still has his investment investment portfolio. But thank you. Yeah. He's doing great. Thanks.

Yeah. He still has his investment portfolio, but thank you. Yeah, he's doing great, thanks. Yeah. And then Robyn's like, well, Juan, we contribute equally to the household because I go, I know how, I know how a person, man with egos and things like that. And I'm like, ugh. It's ridiculous. Just pay the bill.

I'm always worried about the electricity bill because I keep the lights dim enough to not hurt his ego. Andy, I just dim my lights. Dim my lights for my man. electricity bill because I keep the lights dim enough to not hurt his ego and he I just did my lights dim my lights for my man. Yeah exactly. Yeah it's ridiculous. Yeah. So and he's like well it was painful to hear the ray wasn't in love and then to say it on camera and it's like that was very powerful and it was beaches basically. I want to thank the Academy for this award for most powerful moment from a power couple.

Thank you very much. And just so I was like, well, I felt like hearing that. It was not the first time you had heard that and you were embarrassed and that's why you were crying. And I don't want to see the breakup of these two, but I was happy you put it out there. Thank you. You're a monster. Just be quiet,

because you cannot answer one question about your own relationship from your cheating fake boyfriend who's not even here at Jizzo. That's true. So Karen had, by the way, Karen claimed that Ray had said that because he wanted me to hear it. So he used the loudest platform that he could. I'm like there's...

Raid? Raid was not like sending there being like, I can't wait to use this big Bravo platform to get through to my wife. He's just like, ugh, fine. You pushed me, I'll say it now. There you pushed me. So Andy's like, well, you're famous. I mean, Rihanna comments on your Instagram check. Oh, and the important thing is to stay humble, Andy, because I could wake up tomorrow and that marriage could be over, and then I'll be staying with Rihanna, my best friend. Winning Grammy Awards,

and I think I'll be fine, Andy, stay humble. Yes, I mean, listen, today it's wonderful tomorrow, I'm just a humble woman who comes from a soybean dynasty and has Rihanna and her DMs. I mean it could all just go away So Wendy you had a comment about Karen's sexual relationship and she's like I had two comments Andy be clear I don't care about her kudji box, okay me. I just don't want to talk about it because me as married woman It's not something we talk about. Okay, Wendy. Here you go. Not answering a question again How about we comment on your Aegis comments about Aaron, Aaron, Karen and Ray not being

able to have sex anymore? Like why doesn't she ever have to answer a question? I just, I feel like she just made some like throwaway jokes and it's just been like harped on a lot and it's like, it's been turned into a whole thing when she just made like two just like stupid shady, shady jokes and it's like, well you certainly had a lot and it's like, it's been turned into a whole thing when she just made like two, just like stupid shady jokes and it's like, well you certainly had a lot to see about the air sex lives as if like the rest of us weren't we just like five minutes ago like talking about Ray's dick and being like, you know like, I mean,

we're, what kind of talk about like going down on Ray is anyone there being like, mm, that's hot, tell us more, no one is, no one is, okay, and Wendy made a shady joke like we all had, and now they're roasting her for it. I just am like, Yes, it's my problem. They roast everybody else has to answer this question.

Well, I mean, well, you may be right, she has avoiding it. She has a voice. And every time she's asked a question, she just answers something else, you know? Yeah. I mean, they all kind of do.

I mean, like, literally, like Ashley just did it, just did it, Karen does it for a living. They all do it, which doesn't exonerate Wendy, but it's not like- Yeah, but we point out when they do it to you. It's for them of my truth. This forum of like honesty and truth that like Wendy is the outlier, you know?

No, it's true. So, Andy's like, well, Karen, come on now. We've seen a new side to you, right? I mean, is that conscious where you're trying to change your persona? I was like, Andy, I'm every year. Andy, remember to stay humble. But every year you watch a celebrity on television like me.

Andy, a celebrity knowing Rihanna, you peel back layers. Andy, layers, you know. celebrity knowing Rihanna. You peel back layers. And he layers, you know. Here was Rihanna. Who is being mentioned in a Beyonce song? Lair. He's being mean. I'm growing in front of you. You peel back. You see this beautiful flower. And you say, Shirley, Shirley, these petals are so gorgeous that the petals were ever to be plucked off. You've been nothing, nothing left but a stemman and empty husk, but you peel away those petals and guess what? More beautiful petals inside, more beautiful than the original ones.

I'm just getting peeled away and being more beautiful, more ryan, and knowing than ever before. I'm liking onion with a good chemical peel Andy. And he's like, well, look here, and I have to call bullshit because every year I sit here and I ask where do you live? Just reg on the reg on the floor. I went about the IRS and it's you just give me a river of words All you do is give me a river of words So it was different this year and she's like well Andy losing both parents changed me and me and I'm not done evolving Fuck a lot like what is this Jurassic Park? both parents changed me Andy and I'm not done evolving. Buckle up! Like what is this Jurassic Park? Lager finds a way.

So yeah, so she's not done evolving and etc. And Karen is just, they're like, well basically what it comes down to is that Karen was self-conscious or she claims she was self-conscious that her parents were watching her on TV. Cause they're all like, yeah, Karen's like a lot more fun off camera than on camera. She's just basically awful, you know? And just all the same, that she's like, she's just like weird on camera and we're like,

who is this? And she's like, well, don't be upset because I'm growing and you're not. Okay, don't be upset that I'm friends with Rihanna and your friends with No, but and I would like you to look at the unpeeled layer here her name is Giselle That that onion is still covered in the paper was born in anti Congratulations your friends with the woman who played the older daughter on half congratulations friends with the woman who played the older daughter on Alph. Congratulations!

We're back! Well Monique, this year we found out what to get the one person who has everything. Oh, bird! Okay, now this is Monique's segment. So yeah, but we just see in the small corner, Monique laughing and clapping for herself, loving her segment, and then Jacelle and Candace just rolling their eyes and Candace is like looking away. Yeah. So, so we see this whole this whole montage and then it comes out and Candace goes, oh, what a victim. So she's already like mad and then Andy says, oh, right, is everyone ready? Because I got some little nouns now.

Lots to one pack here. Am I right? Lots to one pack here. Am I right? Lots on Vagbueller, you agree, right? You agreed lots to one pack, okay? He sure does. You're just like stretched. If you're just like, I'm ready. Finally, now we're getting to the Monique part.

Yeah, he's like, is this Monique yet? Oh, there he goes again. Look at that little face. So Candace is like, oh, what a victim. And then Monique is like, oh, you hear Candace taking shots at me, but she's supposed to be traumatized. Yeah. And Candace does that the whole reunion.

She just keeps making these snide little comments under her breath at Monique. So because she's traumatized and terrified of Monique, everybody. Okay. So she's doing that. And then we get the Tishala ran away video of Monique on Instagram crying and being like, my bird is gone. Help me buy my bird and Candace goes, stop burning, fly away. Hey, Vulture review the bird expert already a lot of inherent irony in there.

Vulture, am I ready? No. No. Okay. Vulture interview a bird expert already a lot of inherent irony in there. Vulture, am I ready? One, no. No, okay. Vulture interviewed a bird expert who said it was highly unlikely for a bird to leave and then go back. And it's like because it didn't happen, which I love that there's like a sub conspiracy happening. I love that.

I love a thing. I love that. It's like, it's a really useless, like in a time when there's like a lot of harmful conspiracy theories that Monique may or may not be participating in, I really love that there's like a really harmless conspiracy theory about whether or not T'Challa ever was missing or was replaced, like, or did T'Challa leave and come back?

Was that really- Was it him, T'Challa? Was that what it seemed like? Was she hiding it in the closet? Was it- Was Dichala dead? And is this like the demon Dichala that came out? Oh yeah, or was Dichala, maybe someone was ordering furniture from Wayfair, but they were really ordering a bird

the whole time. Dichala was trafficking. It was a bar stool. I ordered a bar stool that went missing from Wayfair, and I think we know why now, because the child was inside it and it went to Monique's house. If Monique has new bars, it's on wayfair, tell your friends.

If Monique has new barstools and they have brass, they're brass framed, we know what really went on, okay. So let's see here. So Andy's like, well, Robin, because all the girls on the other side of the couch are making looks at each other You know and Andy's like well Robin you look dubious. It's like why wouldn't you ask Candace? She just projected across the whole room that it didn't happen. Why are you asking fucking Robin Robin to do anything ask? Candace

So then he's like Hey, it's a child. I didn't really click with any of the ladies. Karen's afraid of the child. When did the child have a moment, etc. And Karen's like, no, no, no, I wouldn't say that I didn't like the child. I call him the chopper. Anyone? Anyone? There's a very funny joke. I changed two letters to two different letters. Anyone? The chopper. I never would have made that joke of my parents were here, Andy. You see the difference. I'm gonna peel off a layer and reveal to you that Rihanna and I love calling to child at the chop up. That's just who we are. But I'll tell you this

Andy, when to chop up went missing. I went into my backyard and I called for a man. I called for a man. And I was like, wow, this is a touching story, Karen. It was, that was beautiful. I'm sure T'Challa really appreciated here. You go, T'Challa, T'Challa, T'Challa, T'Challa, T'Challa, T'Challa, T'Challa, T'Challa. It was probably sitting on one of those rings outside

of her backyard on the golf course where she made the little kids twirl around for her party Well, I was very concerned about a chopper so I took some bird feed and I put it on an old lesardisc and put it outside like a little platter and made it from Takan never again so Were you offended Monique when all the husbands were doing imitations of their wives and Offended Monique when all the husbands were doing imitations of their wives and Chris didn't imitation of you giving him a blowjob and Candace is like it was disrespectful and

Disgusting and meanwhile her eyelashes, you know like her too little muppin hands comes Meanwhile, we know everything about her husband's dick. Okay. We know everything about her husband's brown dick It was dance respectful and disgusting Who would do that share this private intimate moments and money? You know everything about her husband's brown day. He said it was disrespectful and disgusting. He would do that. Share this. Private intimate moments. And Monique's like, well, your husband basically told the world you were bipolar with a light switch.

So girl by and can't assist. Well, your husband told the world you were his concubine. So girl by and with the exhales, you know. And it was an escalation of very bad comebacks. Yeah. I was like, Juselle, are you gonna miss out on this one? Because you really been killing it. Don't you want to call someone a thirst book? That's a chance. Well, I have to tell you, I was discussed in two. I was never more modified than when

Reagan up there and impersonated Rihanna calling me up on the phone. I was like, Ray, Raymond, these are private matters when Rihanna calls me to ask for advice we do not broadcast that to the world I was horrified and I apologize to all the ladies for that moment. So and it's like so Monique you revealed that your belief was that a trainer rumor was a plot by Jazeal the full rumor being that you not only had an affair with your trainer, but got impregnated by your trainer. And she's like, um, yes, this is a two-year or deal with an ex-friend of mine, Gigi, who is part of the show season two. And then we see a clip of Gigi while

Monique is folding Chris's underwear. And she's like, those are some big drawers. Yeah, remember that. They're this big. I think Gigi's are bad news for Bravo. Well, I actually know Gigi had deed was fine. She had, she was, she was fine. But Gigi, you know, Shaza Sunsah Gigi was, you know, Golnessa. That's a stain on the name of Gigi's. That's a stain on the name of Gigi's. That's a stain on the name of Gigi's. Magical was Golnessa, who started this. That would be a great surprise. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. She's just bored so she's fucking with other shows. So the issue here is that Gigi was trying all the women and then she got Sheree's number

and then she told Shasha the rumor and then Shasha sent screenshots to everyone and then Monique says, you know, I was alerted by Karen that there was a dinner after Andy's baby shower and there was a plot to bring this story on the show. And then in Karen was like, yes, just ever wanted this to come out. And I said, Rihanna and I both agree that this is harmful and we say, do not do this. My layout has been peeled. Peeled, lay up, peeled, and just also making these faces like, what come on? What? Not true. What? lay up here and just also making these faces like what come on what not true and everybody's acting like this is the biggest lie ever this is the

beginning of the Monique gaslighting so I would like to play a clip of Candace from YouTube or I think this is from her Instagram live I found it on YouTube someone brought their own binder to this episode thanks to somebody from Twitter so thank you Twitter for all you do for us. So Shalma Dia, you're a beautiful woman. So here is Candice. Tell me if you can hear it. There are a couple of people there with me.

Several people there with me. Can you hear it? Yeah. She's saying that she's people are with her. Oh, it stopped though. Oh, of course it's thinking about it now. Well, while you queue that up, I will say this about this whole segment. So do I believe that the women would have conspired to bring this out? Yes, I do think that they

made a pretty compelling point which is that like it never really became the storyline. And I feel like, let me just play a couple of people there with me, several people there with me. And there was a conversation about someone plotting to spread a rumor that Chase was not Chris's baby. That conversation happened. I was there for it. I never contributed to the plantation of the conversation. The plantation. It was a matter of fact. I said that that would never fly and it should be dropped. Okay, so basically she's saying that they went to an after party for Andy's baby shower in New York. All the cast went out for Divers' competition.

And there was Plotation and the people who were there were of course, Giselle and Robin, you know. And so they brought up this plot. Now the reason this is good is for everything that's about to follow. Them just denying and acting like this is the craziest shit they've ever heard and this never ever happened. I mean, I don't know. I mean, I kind of felt like they got something about it. But I did feel like if they wanted it to become like a central storyline, they would have done it.

Um, like they did. Well, well actually kind of, I mean, Monique actually out there enough, I feel like, I still feel like, I'm not team Candace, I mean, I don't know, it's this is such a, this is one of those things, this is like Vanderpump Rules, where I reserve the right to be on everyone and no one's side all at once.

Yeah, you have to be. Yeah, it's just all over the place. But Monique made such a fuss about Sherees. Like, such a fuss, it kind of forced it to the fore. Like, I hate to... I know it's not even a blaming the victim thing here because it's like, she made a fuss. She should have just been like, I'm not going to give her this moment. I'm not going to allow her to have this moment on TV, but she made a fuss with Candice, she made a fuss about this and that.

So like naturally they had to say, what's so wrong with Sherees? It had to be brought to the fore. So, did they conspire? Were there platations? Most certainly, they're probably were. But Monique is also contributed to these things coming to the fore.

No. I mean, I have to discreet totally. No, I mean, I have to disagree totally. No, I mean, this is a flat out disagreement. You know, we don't have to agree on everything, but I think that they plotted this. This is a very important issue, right? You know, it is. I was up on that, I'm telling you. So I think that they plotted and that Monique heard that they were going to try and bring

this on the show through Sherees. So she sees Sherees. She keeps calm. She does not go for it to bring it on camera. She doesn't start a fight with Sherees. She doesn't do anything. She just ignores Sherees, right? And that party. So then Jacelle sees that it didn't come out even though they got Sherees to that party. So she goes to Monique and she's like, hey, why aren't you mad at Sherees? I mean, Sherees was there. Why weren't you mad? Candace invited Sherees.

And you know why Candace would invite Sherees. So then she gets a Monique pissed. And that's why Monique got so pissed that Candace was the one who brought Sherees because Candace had told Monique about all this already. So Monique knew this was going on. And Candace had said, oh, no, I told him that that plot would never work.

And I wouldn't, you know, don't do that. So then when she finds out that she's the one who's bringing Cherisse on camera, she feels like Candace is betraying her and pretending to be her friend while she's really bringing the stuff up on camera. Makes sense? Yeah, I mean, I just feel like there's room for both of,

I think there's room for both of these things to coexist pretty cleanly. Like I think that like, I think that so Monique catching Wayne that there's this conspiracy to bring this story to the four and that's why she's pissed at Cherise or pissed at Candice. Like that's totally legitimate but I think, I just feel like Monique also contributed to this, I feel like I would not have known all this stuff had Monique not been just so furious at Candace. I know what you're saying.

She's like, well, she's furious at Candace because they're trying to do this thing. So like why would Monique? Yeah, because by the scene she knows what's going on. And also just also one who brought it up on camera, not Monique. She was Monique. Monique in the beginning, and they show a clip of it in the reunion, they said, well, what is the rumor?

What is the rumor from Sherees? And she said, I don't want to talk about that. So she didn't talk about it until she knew that Jacelle was bringing it up on camera. Right, but what I'm saying is that like, but Monique played, I think that Monique played it incorrectly, which is that she was like, I don't wanna talk about this.

She was being, to us, it was like she was just going after Sheree's, nothing made sense, which then was like, well, now we need to know. Now we need to have, now the producers have to have Chisel on there and be like, why would she not like Sheree's? Like, she didn't control that narrative. And so that's why I think that Monique messed up here. Because, I think so too.

And I think she messed up the whole the whole season really with Candace because Candace came off as being pretty mature through the first half of the season because every time Monique was trying to start a fight with her, she would stay calm and say, you know what, I'm not going to fight right now. I'm not going to fight right now. So yeah, I think Monique dropped the ball on how she handled it to. But Karen is, you know, Karen's saying, well, you know, there was this plot to say that Chase wasn't there, baby, or wasn't Chris's baby. And Jacelle wanted this to come out. And Jacelle's over there rolling her eyes and just,

you know, making the biggest face as she can. And she's like, well, Jacelle, I know you don't like it, sweetie. And Jacelle's like, of course it's my fault. Isn't it always my, it was literally your fault. And she did articulate it. You got sure he's there and you set it on camera. You were the one to say it on camera. So she says, well, I didn't say anything about the paternity of the child. So I didn't say that.

I said things about cheating, but not the paternity of the child. I mean, and there is some, there is some truth to that that like this could have been like the center of the season and it really wasn't. They was not the emphasis. That may have also just been the producer saying, we're not gonna go there with this.

This is too dark. You know. Well, also money, why wouldn't it start to getting heated up? Money was off the season because after the fight. Yeah, but they still could have even brought it up after that. You know, they could have been without her there. She's in denial about this for that,

and she's a mess and she needs help, a yada yada yada. So it could have been a center thing. So I do think that there is some merit in saying, we've been sitting on it, we could have used this all this time and we're not interested in that. But that being said, it is funny that Jizzell says,

we could have used this while she's simultaneously, like blatantly just sits there in her confessional saying, like, yeah, she is. This is the word on the street. Yes. So she's like, well, we knew about Gigi. We've known about this forever. It's been like two years.

And I'm only saying, it's not my business. It's called lies. And Candace is like, if it was lies, you wouldn't be running from it, which doesn't even make any sense. Not Candace's. Yeah. make any sense. And this is. Make no sense. So it's all like, well, we've known about it for a year and no one mentioned your child.

And you know, of course, it's like a squabble. And he's like, no one wants to hear the BS coming out of your mouth and Candace with another real good singer. Because no one wants to hear BS coming out of your mouth. Got her. Got her bad. So then Andy is like, well, you keep talking about this plot, but it did not air on the real house.

So I was a Potomac and she said, yes, well, Jizelle went to her confessionals and said, we're on the street as Monique is running around with her trainer and Chase is the trainer's baby, but they cut that part out. And just like, what? Oh, that's not true at all. It's a total lie. But also Andy, you just showed a clip of Jizal saying

that she was cheating with the trainer. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of things going on here because Monique also, she is a little bit of a conspiracy theorist. So sometimes when she says they cut that part out, it's hard to know like, is that, did that really happen? Or is Monique just being, you know, a conspiracy theorist here? So it's kind of like hard to gauge that for me and not important enough for me to

also like to investigate that part, but like, but then again, I also totally would believe that just that would be messy enough to say the like to fully say that. So I don't know. So Monique's like, don't act confused. Well, I would say that they would, I think that if she said it, I think they would have aired it right then and there. I think they would have said like, unhaired footage,

but then, but maybe not, because that would make them look really shady. Because they'd like to answer themselves. Yeah, you never know. But still, just so came on and said she was cheating with the trainer and all this other stuff. So, and Candace already said that there was, she was there when they were plotting to say that the baby wasn't hers

So whether she actually went the whole way Monique knows that that's where she was going, right from Candace who's on team just out but if if Monique If Monique knows that all these women are like inspiring to bring this rumour to the fore she knows that enough That she's pissed at Candace for bringing Shasha around, right? She knows that that much enough. So then why is she like all of a sudden so buddy buddy with Jazeal at the beginning of the season? I don't know. I guess I'm trying to keep going. I don't even know what point I'm making, but I just think, think about like that there's.

Because they just made up. So I think she was like, well, if I keep things okay with Jazeal, then Jazeal won't come out with this crap and she'll keep Jacelle she'll keep Sheree's away or whatever. I just felt like she was angrier if like she's angrier at Candace because Jacelle got her thinking that Candace was trying to bring it on camera via Sheree's. You see? Jacelle's over there pulling all the strings of this shit and now she's like, what? I never said anything. I never brought this up as Tip, but that looks like Jacelle. Five of course is Jacelle, you know, I love I love when someone is a puppet master. Yeah, I'm like her more.

I'm not even really hateful of Jacelle for this because like I've said many times this season, I'm way more entertained by Jacelle than usual. I don't know why maybe I've just used to it, but she is so foolish. So Andy's like, so Andy goes, no, but what I'm saying is we didn't bring it up on the show. It's all I'm trying to say. It's like, what are you getting mad about? Yes, you fucking did. And this is sit down. Okay, you're not a housewife. So then he's like, okay, let's put a pin in it. Let's put a pin. And then Andy has to do the thing that we do before we really weigh in on the fight. Andy goes, I want to begin by saying that Bravo doesn't condone violence. We just showcase it.

We just create a scenario where it can breathe. So yeah, but we thought it was important to show the footage because we need ratings. So, okay, let's go. Can we go back to the beginning to see where we got to here? And when is that, can I have some water? I need some water for this. This is going to be a good. So we take a break. And when we come back, here we go. It's this clip package of drag me, Monique, drag me. The Giselle and Sharice thing. Yeah. Giselle saying that Sharice and Monique fell out

and it coincided with these rumors that came out about her side piece or her lover or her fuck buddy or whatever you wanna call him. And then Robin saying Monique doesn't want people gossiping about relationships because she doesn't want everybody gossiping about her relationship. And then we come back, we start with, we see the fight, well, we see the beginning of it with Candice saying, Monique saying, get your hand out of my face. And you're going to drag me, drag me Monique. And then we see your grab the hair and then the wine glass. And then Monique, we come

back and Monique's like, Oh, yeah, and I thought that was Candice that pushed me, but it was Giselle pushing her back. So Andy says, Monique, you took a pic with Cherie's months before or the anniversary party. So you can see how Candice thought of be okay for YouTube to be in the same room, right? And Monique is like, yeah, but I didn't say anything to her the entire time when I was at that party and then Candace like, yeah But then you ran away from her like she was the plague at my party. So what's like what was up with that, you know? Yeah, so Andy is like, well, does everybody believe that Candace did not have that intentions? And of course Robin and Jizzell are a kill. We believe it.

And Karen's like, well, it's questionable because I've heard the backstory. And Monique's like, we had just talked about all this stuff. And Candace is like, she's my friend and I invited my friend. And that's it. The end of it. And Monique's like, well, then why don't you just say, hey, friend, Sherees is gonna be there. Give me a heads up. Right, that's what, that's like,

that's like the seed of all of this is that she didn't get a heads up. And so Robyn's like, you're giving Sherees way too much credit and mental energy. Like, why do you have to prepare for Sherees? Which is actually not a terrible point. Like, why does anyone have to prepare for Sherees? Because she was built up in her mind by Jazeal. Yeah, I hope you're prepared.

In Vatapun. And I love that Andy never even bothered bringing on Sherees for any of this too. Because they could have easily just said, and here's Sherees. And Andy's like, no, not thirsty as Sherees with her hoverboard.. Is that good of easily just said? And here's Sherees. And Andy's like, no, not thirsty as Sherees with their hoverboard. We're not doing it, okay? Yeah, literally no Sherees. They didn't bring Sherees into any of the season. I guess maybe that's part of it,

which is a year in, but not really letting her speak. Shasha really, you know, she really made an impact. She's the Tamra of Potomac. Yeah. So then we go through the Monique overreacting about the Smoor's thing. I'm glad that was a dress. I was a little worried. It was not going to be a dress.

But she's like, you know, I just overreacted because it was a buildup of emotions, you know, from everything. And Candace is like, well, that wasn't the only instance where you acted like a crazy person. And Andy's like, well, she's saying that she overreacted. She said it. She said that she overreacted. She said it. She said she's overreacted and then Candace is like well you use every instance to try to bait me into a fight because you were fucking bored and you needed something to fight about. This woman has

come after me, has tried to bully me, has tried to make moments happy with me and I'm like and you're the dumb one who fell for it then. Yes, and I will say, I'm with her. Like on the first part of this season when Monique started to turn on Candace, I was like, what? What are you doing? Well, I thought Monique was crazy at that. Wait for Candace to do something.

Don't just start coming at her now. Like I get to ear mad, but give her a chance to do something shitty, you know, because you look bad. I thought Monique would be like, the fire pit thing was ridiculous, but I just think it's always funny when Candace talks about how she gets bullied when like,

she is a nightmare on social media. Like, I don't, I mean, I think bully gets thrown around a lot in general, so I don't feel like she's necessarily a bully, but by her definition of what, what she seems to be calling bullying, she is like actually the prime perpetrator of that behavior online.

Yes. So Andy's like, uh, someone wants to know if you saw the hand that pushed your shoulder monique because there was speculation that it was, uh, Jacelle and Jacelle's like, I wasn't pushing her. I was stopping her. And then the clip you see when it's getting heated up, it looks like she's being pushed back, but it was Jacelle. Yeah. Jacelle's just like sort of like moving her back. Right. So Andy's like, well, you said you blacked out. So what was your emotional reaction when you saw the footage since you didn't remember anything?

So you would think at this point, Monique, has had a few months to prepare. And you think she'd be like, well, when I saw this, I was horrified, I was embarrassed. I was like, I was angry at myself for losing my cool, I was, you know, like, I was sad that I had this in me. Like all these like, really introspective thoughts you think, and she's like, well, I was just trying to figure out

what made me act this way. Like she must have done something to make me snap. I was like, maybe not the answer I would have given up. That's maybe not what I, maybe I would, maybe it's lead to that, maybe take it to that place, but maybe you wanna start with some like introspection and thoughtfulness and some sort of like remorse.

Even if you're not truly feeling it, just for the pure optics of it. Just thank it. Just thank it. Yeah, I'm with you. So Andy's like, well, was it your impression that she physically attacked you? And Monique said, well, what really set me off was when she did this with her hand. Like she waved her hand.

She kept waving her hand under my face. And the whole side of the couch, like, shouldn't it ever happen? That never happened. That literally never happened. And Andy goes, yeah, it didn't happen. And she sells like, it didn't happen, but okay. And then we get a clip of the shady editors putting it in three times, you know.

And not only did that happen, I don't know when you're ready to fire up your video footage because I know you're very excited to do a frame by frame. So I don't want like over an hour into this recap. I'm not a wanna jump it, but this morning I woke up and watched someone doing a frame by frame.

And something that I never saw on any of these is that actually at that moment, like when Candace did the hand thing, and Jacelle pushed, when Jacelle pushed or like put her hand on Monique, Candace actually grabs Monique's shirt at that point. Okay, and I did not notice that. So that was almost like... Okay, here I'll put it on. So those of you who are watching at home, you can see this. And for those of you, I know most of you are listening, so we don't want to leave you out. So we'll tell you what we're seeing as we watch this, we're just gonna go really slow frame by frame here. So here they are, they're starting the fight.

So Monique reaches over and she starts flicking Candace's hair. Right. Which is arguably the first offense, the first major offense. That is technically the first hand on, if we're gonna say hair is part of someone's being, which I believe it is. Agreed, her head. And it's important, this is so silly to take this, this seriously, believe it is. Agreed, and it's important.

This is so silly to take this seriously, but it is important to say, brother, just not gonna don't buy lads. It is important to say, yes, this is the first physical thing is the flicking of the hair. And so anything I say after this, I am saying, yes, that is the first physical thing.

So most meek still is the one to apologize the most. Okay? Yes. She is the most at fault. No. That said, here we go. Okay, so she flicks that hair and she keeps it and Candice keeps, you know, yeah. So now we see Jacelle's hand on Monique's shoulder.

And then another hand, well then we see Wendy's hand come forward. But what's easy to overlook is that actually, there's another hand. So we see Wendy sort of reach into sort of like stop it, but then Candace's hand gets right here on like the scarf, on the chest, like the scarf or the shirt of Monique. Right. So C is the first one to like hand on the person, okay?

Hand on the body. Right. And not only that, she pulls, you can actually see to like hand on the person, okay? Hand on the on the body, right? And she and not only that, she pulls. You can actually see you're pulling on the scarf. The scarf lifts from the shirt. Yes. So we see this pulling. And we are getting a lot of Jacelle's fingers. We're getting a lot of fingers. And you all see that.

A lot of fingers and go. It's grabs the vest and then it goes over the shoulder, right? You see that? Yeah. Okay. I would say it's a little bit more of a, I would say that Monique's It's grabs the vest and then it goes over the shoulder, right? You see that? Yeah, okay? I would say it's a little bit more of a I would say that Monique's initial hair foot thing is It's physical it still counts as physical contact, but it's more of a taunting and this is more of a pulling It looks like

She's grabbing her jacket, but her hands going up. So who knows if was going to go for to flick her hair back, you know? Yeah, so then we see another flick right this one's bigger because now Candace has brought her hand up Big flick we see Wendy coming in Wendy's arm is in there to stop it up Karen's coming in now to stop it So can this is from Rihanna I said break up this fight Candace is grabbed Candace has grabbed Monique and Monique is now going to grab Candace so now now she grabs grabs her hair with her right hand, okay? Yes, there's no He's trying to pull them apart and of course we have to look at this reaction shot of Candace on the bottom

Instead of seeing the whole shot guys come on. Don't you know that there are just gays going through this. So now Monique has Candace's hair. Yep. And she's pulling it. And Wendy's sort of tangled up in there trying to block it up. Jacelle comes behind Candace and pulls Candace back. Right. So Candace has to let go of Monique. Right. And Candace's

pilgrim had us starting to fall off. Yes, because she's her hair is being pulled. So Monique is pulling her hair. Then Candace takes her. And then Monique, wait, go. Well, so what happens is Monique then takes her other hand and goes the top of the head. Right. Top of Candace has. So she got one hand on the long hair, one hand on top of the the head and then Candace takes her glass and throws wine Right in Monique's face we see this splash we see it's it's sort of also get robin a little bit because robins like oh, okay now look here this is the

Glass again Candace starts swinging the glass at her. See this? See the glass? She is the glasses. So now she's swing. She gets the one in her face and now she's swinging the glass at her face. Now people are saying, well, but she was being, her hair was being pulled. So of course, she's just swinging randomly right now. She wasn't swinging the glass. Her hair was being pulled. No, she's swinging the glass at her face. Sorry. That she is. Well, yeah, I mean, you could still pull. I still think self-defense is fair, but I think that right now, right. And now there's like swatting.

And now we see she's swinging that glass at her face. She's swinging that glass at her face. She's very scary. I think that for me, the takeaway here is more like, there's sort of like a, like a, like a, like a 52, 48 split in terms of the violence. I think that we've been very much like Monique was grabbing that hair really aggressively, which she was and she does do. She is still doing it.

And Candice is acting up self-defense, but then Monique in the reunion is also like, I was holding onto that hair because she was swinging that glass. And I needed to like basically like lock her down. Right, and she said, the reason I started watching it so closely is because she said, you know, it happened at the same time.

She grabbed, I grabbed her hair and she swung the glass at the same time. And they're like, no, that never happened. None of that ever happened. But it did. It literally just happened right here. I want you to grab it. She grabs the hair.

The wine goes on the face, like in the same second. So, you know, it was less cut and dry than it was to me before because I didn't see the part before of Candace going for Monique and grabbing her. Me neither. And I think that's been left out of everything. Yeah, it doesn't mean that Monique is off the hook, because what she still did was violent and it was bad.

Right. But I think that a lot of what we've been saying, and a lot of people have been saying, has been sort of a narrative of, Candace would be like, drag me, drag me, whatever she was saying, Monique, did the hair flick and then went and grab that hair and like pulled her down and then Candace was just like flailing, which is true.

That all happened, but I think what has been left out is that like, the story has been that Candace just sort of was like standing there one moment and was dragged down, but Candace actually did put her hand on Monique as well. And that there was like nothing is, nothing, it doesn't justify anything, but it also shows that the situation's, I think, a lot more complex than maybe

our discussion of it has been. Yeah, and for me, it's just that they're lying. They're all lying right now. It's not that Monique, it doesn't make Monique right. Monique was completely Monique is stolen the wrong okay, none of this changes any of that But the reason I got so into it is because Andy and the ladies are just fucking lying and it's bullshit It's not fair. So she goes let me see so okay first is she was doing this with her hand in my face And they say it didn't happen. They're all yelling it didn't happen and Andy's agreeing it didn't happen and then the editor plays it three times.

So then yeah, Monique goes, okay, you guys you asked me what set me off and that's what happened. That's what set me off. So Andy says you posted on social media that the wine glass hit you before this happened. And that did she did post on that and that was a lie. That did not happen before. That didn't initiate that. That happened after. The wine glass came after. She was flicking her hair and grabbing her hair and stuff. So Monique is like, well, it happened at the same time. It was simultaneous. So we just saw it.

So it was simultaneous. But Monique was making it sound like Candace threw a glass of wine in her face. And then Monique came in, which isn't really the truth, right? I mean, the thing is, I think when you're in a fight like that, everything happens so quickly and you just can't remember things as well. You think things happen a certain way and they don't, which is why witness testimony

can be dubious, right? So then the wine glass hit me and that's why I bled. And I saw that she had wine glasses in her hand swinging them all over the place So I wouldn't let her go until I knew I wouldn't be hurt Well, and then when Wendy and Jacelle are yelling that didn't happen that never happened. It did happen. We just saw it happen Okay, so then Candice clip of it happening Candice swinging broken glass at Candice over and over. Then Jacelle saying she couldn't swing anything because her head was on the table. Yet we just saw it. You guys she was swinging. Yeah. So then

Monique is like, well, if you want to pretend you didn't see it, that's fine. Do you want to see my dentist paperwork? And he's like, Andy goes, no, definitely not. But I will say there's no footage of her throwing a wine glass at you. Absolutely none. So fucking, but she's still swinging a broken glass. But there's a footage of her throwing the glass. She's swinging it swinging it swinging it swinging it and then she throws it at her. I mean it's in the footage that they just showed. And so and so then the footage what is this? Oh so money is like

well you know I saw the footage and so did this? Oh, so Monique's like, well, you know, I saw the footage and so did the state of Maryland, and they said that this was not an attack. Right, because it was consensual violence. Then he says, but you went back to get her again, which is sort of interesting because she did, like she, Monique did go back to go after her second time. But then again, like going, But then again, like going, like Monique, like going to find Candace that second time does not mean that she's necessarily going to go like beat her up. I mean, I don't know. I was saying we have to finish her off. She was saying we have to finish her off.

Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I mean Monique is still in the role and on everything else. My issue is just that these guys are all lying about what happened on camera. We saw it Monika's still wrong my issues Why never happened and the hand thing never have all this stuff never happened when we just saw it My my issue has always been more just that like I think it was I think Candace escalating this to the to the legal system I felt like in this case I Just felt like this was not something that that needed to be escalated to the legal system. And I think it was like a waste of a lot of people's time

and money, basically because I think she was humiliated. Rightfully so, she was humiliated. I'm not gonna take that away from her, but she, I feel like she did very much be like, oh, like what was me? She was attacked. I'm not saying she wasn't attacked. She was definitely attacked, but she also was, she participated on a certain level as well.

And then she was like, oh, and then she perpetuated this on social media. The things she said on social media, and it's like, but Candace, you, like, Candace is vile on social media too. So it was like that aspect. That's where I get mad. Right. Which is that, like, it was like, like, Candace is like, Candace is violent on social media too. So it was like that aspect, that's where I get mad. Right. Which is that, like, it was a terrible fight

and it should never have happened. Don't condone the violence of it at all. Monique did charge again a second time, et cetera. The punishment of that Monique was basically cut out a second half of the season, you know, and that shoe is shunned from the group. And I'm sure that there were some penalties pay wise. And that is the consequence to me for that size thing.

That was the consequence. Yeah. So, and basically Andy's like, why would you apologize to the ladies, but you wouldn't apologize to Candace. And she's like, well, I was apologizing to them for being put in harm's way, but, you know, I felt like Candace was wrong. And just Ellen Candace are laughing. And then he's like, but she got hurt. She just put I did as well. Would you like to see my dentist paper?

I said, no, money. Jesus. So then by the way, when Andy was like, you went out to go, when you went, you went out to go at her again, then we see unair footage of basically Candice saying like, you're fired. You're fired because you're a ghetto ass hood ass bitch. And so Candice is yelling all that stuff. And Monique is like, well, if I'm fired, I might as well finish her off. Yes.

So that's not really- We saw that in the original episode. Candice was yelling ghetto, hood ass. Oh, I thought they said unair it under it. Oh, she's like, no, no, fired. Doesn't justify it, but just- And Monique's like open this door, and that poor producer's like, no, Monique.

No, Monique. No, she's like, if I'm fired, I'm just gonna finish her off. So Andy's like, well, Candice, let's get to you now. We've got some pre-folded square napkins for you to go on about, okay? And she's like, I couldn't even watch this until February. Really? Because you just filed a court case. Like I would think that you would have gone over the footage, Candace. But then Candace really just starts sobbing and doing the Candace. The Candace cry.

brings it on. She lays it on a roll canvas. Full canvas, right? So she's like, Monday is like, well, can I say something while she gets herself together and he's like, no, no, I want her to answer first. She's like, okay, sure. So I can't just like, I couldn't watch it. I didn't watch it for however many months because I didn't want to see myself that way.

I didn't want to see me fighting with someone who I thought was my friend. It made me angry, it made me sad, it embarrassed me. I'm still fucked up, it's not okay. And what was strange to me, I think it's a little bit to have PTSD after a fight. If you do have trauma, I think my eyes have been opened up a little bit about the fact that it's not up for me.

As Robin even said, it's not up for me to say what her trauma was or wasn't. But like I thought her reaction seemed to be really about I didn't see myself. I couldn't I didn't watch it because I didn't see myself that way. I never like I was embarrassed whatever. It felt like given that she's always talking, she's always

saying things like you're your hood, whatever, da da da da're heard, whatever, she sees herself in a certain sort of way. And I think that like, in that moment, she felt like she was part of something that went against herself image. And that really rattled her. And I think that, and I think she was so embarrassed that that's why she escalated it. Well, she also has her crazy mom, mom, like, and I think that she just, like, I think it's like she has stuff that she has to deal with in terms of like, you know, herself image. And rather than dealing with that, she just is like, like,

I think she was trying to buy, buy, buy, buy filing that lawsuit. She was trying to create some distance between who she sees herself as versus what happened that night at the winery. It wasn't like she was, I felt like it was, but yeah, that was my impression when she was saying that. It seemed to be very much about, I didn't want to see myself that way. I thought it was a curious thing. I mean, I mean, like, listen,

you're allowed to feel embarrassed about your behavior. I mean, gosh, I mean, look at every time I look at it. Well, she wasn't saying that she was embarrassed about her behavior. I think she's just saying she was in a, you know, she was in a fight and didn't want to see that, but she takes zero responsibility for anything. She says, she knows that I didn't initiate

the physicality of this fight, which is true. Monique started the hair flick, as we said. And then she went on social media and said, you know, allowed this to perpetuate that I started it with a wine thing. And she's like, and I don't understand how someone could just lie like that. I can't get over the mental fuckery. Well, you just saw it on your own team with everybody on your own team flat out line to the cameras. Yeah, that's true. So there maybe that'll help you understand a little bit better. And Monique is of course not helping herself over there on her and she's like, I can't. and Candace is like, well, she has millions of strangers attacking me and calling me a rat and saying, I deserve it because of my mouth is so foul. But they're also saying that

because they've seen your mouth being so foul. Yeah. Like, you've been so vile to people online on social media. You called Ashley a roadtweil, she was giving birth. You know, like, like, and now she's acting, now people are attacking me. Strangers are attacking me. I mean,

yeah, it's fucking canvas. You told a guy you hoped he would die, and then he died. I mean, I don't know. So, and Robin saying that they were attacking her because they were under the impression that Monique created a narrative that Candace started it. I'm like, I think that people were attacking her because they were under the impression that that that that that that Monique created a narrative that that Candace started it. I'm like, I think that people probably attacked her because based on Candace's let, you know, previous behavior, people were finally like,

aha, now we can go after her, you know, yeah, not saying it's justified or not, but I think that's probably has more to do it than anything that anything that Monique did. probably has more to do with than anything that anything that Monique did. Well, someone said, Candace really has to stop crying. This is Twitter I'm reading. So Candace really has to stop crying. You got to take your shit and be ready to square up about your shit. And she replies, dot, dot, dot, telling me my version of emotional expression is a problem is the real issue, dot, dot, dot,-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da It's not your fault. It's it's our fault for watching it. And the money because like I don't understand how she's making all these narratives for herself and it sucks because she's making it worse for herself, right? Like she's just,

you know, like I'm she's like I'm not sitting at home, you know, wanting her life to be ruined, you know. And and then Andy's just like, well, you know, you seem pretty cut and dry. I think it's odd that you're not more emotional. You're not more emotional. Cry more. Be more like a woman. Um, it was like that, right? That's how You're not more emotional. Cry more. Be more like a woman. Um, it was like that, right? That's how I get to. I was like, did you ask any dude to do that ever? Like, what the hell?

Like she has to cry and be like your version of a woman. It happened a long time ago. She's been through court cases about it. That she's written a song about it for Christ's sake. Like, yeah, I mean, I think that's, I think for short monakes should have shown more remorse and again, introspection about this whole thing. But it was weird that he was like,

you're not very emotional. But then again, she did like, she showed more emotion about T'Challa than she did about this situation, which is funny. Well, she thought T'Challa. So she's like, well, I'm not built like that and what happened in that moment caused me to react that way. Like, what do you want me to cry about?

And can't just like, I don't have to get out of my day to operate. Yeah, I can't. This is just being like, just like she was like, I need to get, I can't, I can't, I can't. So she's like, walks off and and Monique is like, I mean, I want, I want on like, it's like you're, I'm trying to explain how I was in that moment. Like, this is what, this is where I was in this moment. Like, and of course I'm upset, like, absolutely I'm upset. And he's like, well, you didn't say that.

She's like, well, I'm trying to explain how I process. And then you can't, it's just like, ugh, ugh, it's walking off into the... Geez, my God. So one more time. I don't know if it's a mess. This has been a long-ass episode we know, but just one more time. No one is saying that Monique is not to blame. My only thing is the cast sits up there and lies

when we have the footage. Andy sits up there and lies when we have the footage. It doesn't make any sense to me. It makes me crazy to see it. It's hypocrisy because Candace was not really the most guilty one, as we've said, but she was not so innocent either. And I'm really sick of watching Candace walk around sobbing all this time, but like, could you imagine if classic

Marge was still like, oh my god, I was out chavitized, but dead y'all pub by Ponytown, I had to go to the show. She was like, I had Whiplash, I had Whiplash. Yeah, we're acting like this is the first time this has ever happened on Bravo or TV or anything else. And it's just getting to the point where it's like, enough. Okay, Monique was wrong. She got sued, like, enough at this point.

Yeah, I agree. I agree. And I think actually, I know you're saying they're up there, they're lying. I actually kind of have a take of that, like as we see the footage, there's so much happening in this footage that even we now, months later, are watching and finding new things and having new perspectives on it,

that I think it's like fair if they actually believe what they're saying. Like they're not like, I don't think they're actually lying. They're not, the hand under the face, okay. But what I, but wine sliming into her face, they don't remember that. And then what I'm saying is that I could live in her wine around it and that I think the takeaway is that there's a lot of great area and and it can't just has been like it's been a very black and white thing on her end of like, I was just, you know, I was, I was, I was a savagely attacked and, you know, then I was traumatized

and I had to post it up and people attacked me online and I've lost everything and now I've got to like take this to the courts and maybe put her away in jail. When it's like, actually it was a very area. And that's why it was thrown out because it was like, it was basically a fight. Like Monique started, Monique did the first Monique's, like ignited it, like she did the first touching and everything. But it was a fight, it was just a classic fight. And it was unfortunate that it had to happen. And it's unfortunate that there's probably,

that if Candace is suffering PTSD from it, it's unfortunate that she's suffering PTSD from it, but it's a fight and she's making it seem like she was like walking on the street and like, you know, she was just like tackled to the ground. Yeah. Well, that brings us to the end of this episode. People have some opinions. I think there'll be some opinions. I don't know, like maybe. Yeah. I can't imagine that. I'm sure it'll all be like to I'm sure people will be totally, you know, just have a few light thoughts on it. Yeah. Oh yeah, because I know how light and fluffy it was for me. I sit up all night scouring Twitter and the internet for clips and stuff like that. So I don't know. This stuff, I don't know why

it affects you, but you know what? Welcome to Bravo. Okay. You know what, that's the fun of it. And you know what, people are gonna be going back and forth and just like remember at the end of the day, like this is Bravo and these are like, this is a housewives show and like part of the fun of watching these shows is that we have our favorites

and sometimes they're favorites, we have biases and like that's okay. That's what part of being a fan is. So like, well, discuss with each other, like, get mad at this stuff and don't get pissed off in real life. Yeah, yeah, just remember as you discuss this stuff, also don't lose your mind over.

I say, I'm literally ending red in the face after screaming for an hour and a half, but it's okay to have an impassioned discussion and to talk it out and to be like, actually, here's why I think your logic doesn't really pan out. This is what I think. But like, there's all, but like, this is, but also remember that we're all like just fans of these shows and we all are like, just like, we have fun dissecting this stuff. It's fun to like take a stance and to like, whatever. And I just hope that as people discuss this and continue to discuss this even beyond our podcasts

whatever, that like people just be like respectful to each other about it because like, it does not need to turn it into like classic internet madness. Yeah, well, we don't need to do that. Thanks so much for being here. We will be covering the third and final act of this reunion in the new year. So don't worry, it'll be light as hell, but we will be here to recap it.

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